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Title: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:33:24 PM
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Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:34:40 PM
Oh, and I almost forgot about my continuous sense of smugness
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: OzzieMandias on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:35:34 PM
I don't know how it goes with PCs, but I get 4-5 years of use out of each new Mac before memory limits start getting too serious and things start going wrong. Bought this one last year and it was only my sixth machine in 24 years.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:41:53 PM
I don't know how it goes with PCs, but I get 4-5 years of use out of each new Mac before memory limits start getting too serious and things start going wrong. Bought this one last year and it was only my sixth machine in 24 years.

I've had my laptop a year last xmas, it's already had to go back for a new HD, and I've just recently spent a bit of money on replacing the power port, though that was partly my fault for tripping over the wire. Also the battery f***ed pretty much straight away, where as the one's in the new Macbooks claim to last for 5 years before being reduced to 80% of it's capacity. My friend got a Windows computer at the time as me and his is now running slow etc despite having anit-virus softwhere, experts looking at it etc. Windows is constantly pissing me off now, and the computers just don't seem to be built aswell as Mac's going by reviews on Mac's. A windows machine usually would last me 2-3 years, though I doubt my current laptop has got that much life within it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Plus, tripping over the wire wouldn't have harmed a Mac due to the amazing MagSafe connector :D
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Dave on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:44:20 PM
I know f***-all about computers but I think one of the pro's of owning a Mac is a continuous sense of smugness, is this correct?

Slothface as standard.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Interpolic on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:51:07 PM
I know f***-all about computers but I think one of the pro's of owning a Mac is a continuous sense of smugness, is this correct?

Slothface as standard.

:lol:  A photoshop genius needs to add 2 and 2 together here.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 4 February 2010, 09:55:25 PM
Plus, tripping over the wire wouldn't have harmed a Mac due to the amazing MagSafe connector :D

f***!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: OzzieMandias on Thursday 4 February 2010, 10:17:26 PM
I don't know how it goes with PCs, but I get 4-5 years of use out of each new Mac before memory limits start getting too serious and things start going wrong. Bought this one last year and it was only my sixth machine in 24 years.

I've had my laptop a year last xmas, it's already had to go back for a new HD, and I've just recently spent a bit of money on replacing the power port, though that was partly my fault for tripping over the wire. Also the battery f***ed pretty much straight away, where as the one's in the new Macbooks claim to last for 5 years before being reduced to 80% of it's capacity. My friend got a Windows computer at the time as me and his is now running slow etc despite having anit-virus softwhere, experts looking at it etc. Windows is constantly pissing me off now, and the computers just don't seem to be built aswell as Mac's going by reviews on Mac's. A windows machine usually would last me 2-3 years, though I doubt my current laptop has got that much life within it.

I had to replace the hard disk in my last MacBook after about 18 months, and the Airport card after about three-and-a-half years, but those are the only times I've ever had that kind of disabling hardware problem except for when I burnt out the power supply on a three-year-old Mac Plus after working on it frantically to produce a publication in 72 hours non-stop.

The 2004 MacBook was probably the least reliable, in hardware terms, of all the Macs I've owned -- there was a battery recall, and I had to replace the power lead after four years because the plug had got a bit bent after I'd finally tripped over the cable one time too many. (The magnetic thing on the new one dispenses with that prob, as someone just pointed out.) The titanium case was a bit buckled and dented by the end, too. One the other hand, it had travelled a real lot without any problems on the road, and had even been to the Sahara desert twice.

The new one feels loads better. The all-one-piece casing is much sturdier, the keyboard is both easier to type on and lets less dust into the inner workings (don't have to clean it so often), the trackpad is miles better, the speakers are good enough that I now often don't bother to take a remote pair with me when I'm travelling, and it's fast as f***. I preferred the matt screen and the front positioning of the disc slot on the old one (on this one it's on the side at the back, and I find myself always having to move things out of the way when I need to insert a CD or DVD) but they're quibbles, really.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Thursday 4 February 2010, 10:57:13 PM
Macs good hardware, shame OS X (or whatever number snow leopard is) is crap.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Thursday 4 February 2010, 11:10:40 PM
just got the latest basic Macbook.  Already decided I'm not going back to a PC.  Much faster, far less prone to crashing.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Dave on Thursday 4 February 2010, 11:16:18 PM
I must be the only person in the world that has a PC that doesn't crash. From XP onwards I've had very, very few problems.

My last Dell laptop lasted for about four years and was running fine before the screen hinge wore out.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Parky on Thursday 4 February 2010, 11:30:51 PM
Thinking of investing in a decent laptop and pretty much everyone I know has one of these and say they are the dog's danglies. I know the initial outlay is more than a laptop, I was just wondering if anybody could tell me the pro's etc of owning such a thing.

If it's just word processing and whatnot just get a pc.
If you're going to mess with music or images get da mac.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Friday 5 February 2010, 04:23:35 PM
For people with problems with Windows computers, Windows 7 really is a very good OS compared to Vista. I've had no problems with it after a good few months use, and its generally very fast. It's not going to stop me getting my first Mac when I upgrade though, they just seem so good.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Troll on Friday 5 February 2010, 04:39:01 PM
I got my iMac a couple of weeks ago.  OS X seems weird at first, but it's not more complicated, it's just that everyone's used to Windows and things work differently.  I absolutely love it and can't see myself ever going back to a PC.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gemmill on Friday 5 February 2010, 05:37:24 PM
Macs are great.  If it wasn't for playing a lot of online poker and the software not being supported I wouldn't use a PC.  Got my lass a Macbook last Christmas having had one myself previously.  More expensive obv but if you've got the cash for it, so f***.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Friday 5 February 2010, 08:06:19 PM
They are definitely worth the money, my pro is an absolute dream to use and i will never buy a normal PC/Laptop again.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Friday 5 February 2010, 09:06:25 PM
i bought a 3year old ibook g4 1.33ghz off ebay last year, for about £240....works like its brand new, like s*** off a stick it is. works perfectly running itunes with iphone downloading apps, firefox and traktor or photoshop. only got 786mb ram too. Would never go back to a PC now like.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 5 February 2010, 09:22:28 PM
windows 7 is much better, got a PC as a media center not crashed once!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Friday 5 February 2010, 09:25:12 PM
windows 7 is much better

Not in my experience. Snow Leopard is infinitely more reliable and smooth -- Windows 7 is a step in the right direction, for sure, but other than the obvious compatibility advantages, it doesn't have a patch on OS X.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: OzzieMandias on Friday 5 February 2010, 09:28:09 PM
One Mac downside is that you can't get the online match commentary service from .cock.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 5 February 2010, 09:39:00 PM
I've used W7 a little and it's really a lot better than XP, for no massive reason other than it's just a lot more pleasant to use. I still find it frustrating compared to OSX, but I'm sure I could survive if I had to.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 5 February 2010, 09:39:18 PM
One Mac downside is that you can't get the online match commentary service from .cock.

Legally.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Friday 5 February 2010, 09:53:57 PM
I must be the only person who has used OSX and not liked it judging by this thread.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Saturday 6 February 2010, 12:58:32 AM
the trackpad is also quality.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Troll on Saturday 6 February 2010, 10:50:20 AM
Macs are great.  If it wasn't for playing a lot of online poker and the software not being supported I wouldn't use a PC.  Got my lass a Macbook last Christmas having had one myself previously.  More expensive obv but if you've got the cash for it, so f***.

Half the reason I got my iMac is for poker.  I play on Full Tilt, but I think most sites have Mac software.   The Poker Tracker 3 software has been released on the Mac too.  The screen is perfect for poker (especially if you multitable) because you can fit so much on it. 
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: kingkerouac on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:08:45 AM
I've been using Macs for 20 years. Started with a SE30 now use a Macbook at home, Intel DuoCore at work.
Any problems I've had are all app-based, or served-based if on a network.
The new Snow leopard is/was uncharacteristically buggy, but it seems to be running fine now.
The PC users who complain about Mac-Users smugness. Why.
The world would be a better place if everyone was able to access the best technology instead of a badly
implemented copy, which is, let's face it, what Windows has always been.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gemmill on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:12:50 AM
Macs are great.  If it wasn't for playing a lot of online poker and the software not being supported I wouldn't use a PC.  Got my lass a Macbook last Christmas having had one myself previously.  More expensive obv but if you've got the cash for it, so f***.

Half the reason I got my iMac is for poker.  I play on Full Tilt, but I think most sites have Mac software.   The Poker Tracker 3 software has been released on the Mac too.  The screen is perfect for poker (especially if you multitable) because you can fit so much on it. 

Didn't realised PT3 was supporting Mac now, although I used HEM anyway.  I use dual monitors for multi-tabling purposes.  Is Full Tilt the only site supporting Macs - don't think Stars do, do they?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Parky on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:24:02 AM
Macs are great.  If it wasn't for playing a lot of online poker and the software not being supported I wouldn't use a PC.  Got my lass a Macbook last Christmas having had one myself previously.  More expensive obv but if you've got the cash for it, so f***.

Half the reason I got my iMac is for poker.  I play on Full Tilt, but I think most sites have Mac software.   The Poker Tracker 3 software has been released on the Mac too.  The screen is perfect for poker (especially if you multitable) because you can fit so much on it. 

Didn't realised PT3 was supporting Mac now, although I used HEM anyway.  I use dual monitors for multi-tabling purposes.  Is Full Tilt the only site supporting Macs - don't think Stars do, do they?

Why do I get the feeling Gemms is coining it on various poker sites the rascal? What's the best one btw?  :pow:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Troll on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:34:07 AM

Didn't realised PT3 was supporting Mac now, although I used HEM anyway.  I use dual monitors for multi-tabling purposes.  Is Full Tilt the only site supporting Macs - don't think Stars do, do they?

Stars is as well, and Cake.  I think most of them are these days.  I used to use HEM, but PT3 seems just as good so far.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Parky on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:35:14 AM

Didn't realised PT3 was supporting Mac now, although I used HEM anyway.  I use dual monitors for multi-tabling purposes.  Is Full Tilt the only site supporting Macs - don't think Stars do, do they?

Stars is as well, and Cake.  I think most of them are these days.  I used to use HEM, but PT3 seems just as good so far.

What's the best one at putting my winnings into my bank the fastest?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: colinmk on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:38:25 AM
windows 7 is much better, got a PC as a media center not crashed once!

Windows 7 is good but still not anywhere near as solid as a mac imo.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gemmill on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:45:35 AM
Macs are great.  If it wasn't for playing a lot of online poker and the software not being supported I wouldn't use a PC.  Got my lass a Macbook last Christmas having had one myself previously.  More expensive obv but if you've got the cash for it, so f***.

Half the reason I got my iMac is for poker.  I play on Full Tilt, but I think most sites have Mac software.   The Poker Tracker 3 software has been released on the Mac too.  The screen is perfect for poker (especially if you multitable) because you can fit so much on it. 

Didn't realised PT3 was supporting Mac now, although I used HEM anyway.  I use dual monitors for multi-tabling purposes.  Is Full Tilt the only site supporting Macs - don't think Stars do, do they?

Why do I get the feeling Gemms is coining it on various poker sites the rascal? What's the best one btw?  :pow:

Depends really.  If you're just messing around they're all much of a muchness, but I'd probably go with FullTilt (don't sign up without a rakeback deal though).  If you're playing regularly and you have a decent amount of money online, then security and the VIP programmes come into play and Stars has the best one going imo.  From a security perspective, Full Tilt and Stars have added security measures compared to other sites.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gemmill on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:47:12 AM

Didn't realised PT3 was supporting Mac now, although I used HEM anyway.  I use dual monitors for multi-tabling purposes.  Is Full Tilt the only site supporting Macs - don't think Stars do, do they?

Stars is as well, and Cake.  I think most of them are these days.  I used to use HEM, but PT3 seems just as good so far.

That's good to know, thanks.  Might ditch the PC on my next computer purchase and go back to a mac.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Troll on Saturday 6 February 2010, 12:01:06 PM
Depends really.  If you're just messing around they're all much of a muchness, but I'd probably go with FullTilt (don't sign up without a rakeback deal though).  If you're playing regularly and you have a decent amount of money online, then security and the VIP programmes come into play and Stars has the best one going imo.  From a security perspective, Full Tilt and Stars have added security measures compared to other sites.

I'd agree with that.  Don't see much point playing at Stars unless you're a Supernova, rakeback is too important.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gemmill on Saturday 6 February 2010, 12:03:05 PM
Yeah, I'm Supernova, which definitely makes the difference.  Although tbh with the number of shortstackers that are flooding the place at the minute I might have to ditch Stars for FT unless they do something about it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Jimburst on Saturday 6 February 2010, 01:30:54 PM
They're fast as f***. I've got a 2.5 year old macbook and it's been continually faster than my girlfriends 1.5 year old Sony VAIO, and now she's having it replaced because it's too slow and has no battery life...so yeah they're pretty great apart from the money business. Hold their value like a motherfucker, too, incase you don't like it you wont lose too much money selling it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Boosden on Saturday 6 February 2010, 07:04:07 PM
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Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 6 February 2010, 07:20:41 PM
(http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/4245/slothd.png)

:lol:

Thank you so much.  :lol:  Gonna put it in the sloth thread.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Kaizero on Monday 8 February 2010, 12:13:35 AM
I have a MacBook Pro 13" which I use for work, which makes me a smug SOB.

I have a beast of a PC with a 24" HD screen for fun stuff, though. It makes me f***ing smug as well for some reason.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: JH on Monday 8 February 2010, 01:57:11 AM
Gotta MacBook Pro for work - not mine, belongs to the company but it's a f***ing beast for video and audio editing - miles ahead of the PC in terms of quality and speed.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 09:32:49 AM
The annoying thing about Macbooks compared to Windows laptops is the fact that you generally have to use Apple programs which are poor in comparison to most microsoft ones and even worse compared to other programs you can find online etc that are often incompatible with macbooks, Im sure that will change though.
Another personal grind is that they seem to be only a tiny bit different to windows in their general usage because windows had naild it much earlier. So you want to, i dont know, save, copy and paste, minimize etc etc etc and it should be the same, but its just that little different and less convenient than in windows.
Its just different for differents sake. I also dont like the way they are marketed as 'fashionable'. Apple seem to just want to make products to sell them, Microsoft seem  to go about making something for a purpose and people buy it because its needed. That may be just me.
Cant deny that there are points to apples that are better than windows machines, like the way the open programs are opened around each other instead of on top so its quicker. But I disagree that if you want to best Video, Music, photo software etc you buy a Mac as they're the best for that. A Sony Viao with the correct programs and maintenance would be better.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 09:41:18 AM
The annoying thing about Macbooks compared to Windows laptops is the fact that you generally have to use Apple programs which are poor in comparison to most microsoft ones and even worse compared to other programs you can find online etc that are often incompatible with macbooks, Im sure that will change though.
Another personal grind is that they seem to be only a tiny bit different to windows in their general usage because windows had naild it much earlier. So you want to, i dont know, save, copy and paste, minimize etc etc etc and it should be the same, but its just that little different and less convenient than in windows.
Its just different for differents sake. I also dont like the way they are marketed as 'fashionable'. Apple seem to just want to make products to sell them, Microsoft seem  to go about making something for a purpose and people buy it because its needed. That may be just me.
Cant deny that there are points to apples that are better than windows machines, like the way the open programs are opened around each other instead of on top so its quicker. But I disagree that if you want to best Video, Music, photo software etc you buy a Mac as they're the best for that. A Sony Viao with the correct programs and maintenance would be better.

Argh, you've got it so wrong mate!

I was a PC user my whole life until I got my Macbook, and I'd never go back... OSX is streets ahead of Windows in most respects, and the office software is no worse at all, it's just different. In fact, you can easily get MS Office for Mac if you're really attached to their inferior usability and reliability.

Apple make things because they can do it better than anyone else, IMO to compare a Vaio to a Macbook - it's not even in the same league.

Also, most commands are the same, you just use the Command/Apple key instead of Ctrl in Windows. It's very easy to switch between the two after a couple of weeks getting used to it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 09:57:36 AM
Haha.
I probably am, I have always had PCs  but have used a mac at work for 6 months now. If I wasnt so stubborn and used it for different things Id probably enjoy it.
You're right, you d get used to things and then its not really a problem, I just still find it, even after getting used to it, really quite irritating though.
Its almost as if its sitting there all smug going...'Im a mac dont you know', while the pc/laptop works away at doing what you ask it to, even if its worse...i just prefer its....personality, I suppose.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 11:36:29 AM
I must be the only person in the world that has a PC that doesn't crash. From XP onwards I've had very, very few problems.

My last Dell laptop lasted for about four years and was running fine before the screen hinge wore out.
Same here, I can't remember the last time my PC crashed on me. Didn't happen once when I used Vista, hasn't happened with 7 either.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: colinmk on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 11:59:02 AM
The annoying thing about Macbooks compared to Windows laptops is the fact that you generally have to use Apple programs which are poor in comparison to most microsoft ones and even worse compared to other programs you can find online etc that are often incompatible with macbooks, Im sure that will change though.
Another personal grind is that they seem to be only a tiny bit different to windows in their general usage because windows had naild it much earlier. So you want to, i dont know, save, copy and paste, minimize etc etc etc and it should be the same, but its just that little different and less convenient than in windows.
Its just different for differents sake. I also dont like the way they are marketed as 'fashionable'. Apple seem to just want to make products to sell them, Microsoft seem  to go about making something for a purpose and people buy it because its needed. That may be just me.
Cant deny that there are points to apples that are better than windows machines, like the way the open programs are opened around each other instead of on top so its quicker. But I disagree that if you want to best Video, Music, photo software etc you buy a Mac as they're the best for that. A Sony Viao with the correct programs and maintenance would be better.

No way man. I work in the audio industry and know loads of audio people, video editors etc and graphic designers and 99/100 will choose a mac. It's in a different leage in terms of stability and compatibility with the leading audio/video programs.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 01:41:57 PM
Another personal grind is that they seem to be only a tiny bit different to windows in their general usage because windows had naild it much earlier. So you want to, i dont know, save, copy and paste, minimize etc etc etc and it should be the same, but its just that little different and less convenient than in windows.
Its just different for differents sake.

The Mac OS actually predates Windows though.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 01:48:10 PM
Another personal grind is that they seem to be only a tiny bit different to windows in their general usage because windows had naild it much earlier. So you want to, i dont know, save, copy and paste, minimize etc etc etc and it should be the same, but its just that little different and less convenient than in windows.
Its just different for differents sake.

The Mac OS actually predates Windows though.

Didn't know that
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Kaizero on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 03:45:14 PM
The annoying thing about Macbooks compared to Windows laptops is the fact that you generally have to use Apple programs which are poor in comparison to most microsoft ones and even worse compared to other programs you can find online etc that are often incompatible with macbooks, Im sure that will change though.
Another personal grind is that they seem to be only a tiny bit different to windows in their general usage because windows had naild it much earlier. So you want to, i dont know, save, copy and paste, minimize etc etc etc and it should be the same, but its just that little different and less convenient than in windows.
Its just different for differents sake. I also dont like the way they are marketed as 'fashionable'. Apple seem to just want to make products to sell them, Microsoft seem  to go about making something for a purpose and people buy it because its needed. That may be just me.
Cant deny that there are points to apples that are better than windows machines, like the way the open programs are opened around each other instead of on top so its quicker. But I disagree that if you want to best Video, Music, photo software etc you buy a Mac as they're the best for that. A Sony Viao with the correct programs and maintenance would be better.

LOL :spit: :lol: :lol: :lol:



As mentioned earlier, I use both Window and Mac daily, and I have no issues changing inbetween them. Not that a big difference tbh.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: OzzieMandias on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 03:51:49 PM
Another personal grind is that they seem to be only a tiny bit different to windows in their general usage because windows had naild it much earlier. So you want to, i dont know, save, copy and paste, minimize etc etc etc and it should be the same, but its just that little different and less convenient than in windows.
Its just different for differents sake.

The Mac OS actually predates Windows though.

Didn't know that

Windows was an attempt to copy the Mac interface. There was a huge lawsuit about the issue of "look and feel" at the time. Apple lost, perhaps largely because they had in turn copied many of the salient features from Xerox. But Windows has never been as good as the Mac OS, partly because the Mac OS is (well, was, now that it has been replaced by OSX) integral to the machines, with a lot of its functions embedded in the computers' ROM. Windows was always a "shell", operating on top of the actual MS system.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 9 February 2010, 04:23:00 PM
The seemless integration of hardware and software, that's why a Mac is so beautiful.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 10 February 2010, 03:39:41 PM
Here is a sneak peak of the new Apple store in Eldon Square which opens on Tuesday.

(http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/64460899.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Fried Chicken on Monday 22 March 2010, 10:01:16 PM
thinking of investing in a Macbook (get the student discount before I graduate  :fishing: )

apart from the extra ports (FireWire, USB etc), is it worth getting a Pro over the standard Macbook?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 22 March 2010, 10:05:10 PM
What you planning on using it for? Just general webby stuff, music etc? Or HD videos and Adobe CS kinda stuff?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Fried Chicken on Tuesday 23 March 2010, 12:35:25 PM
What you planning on using it for? Just general webby stuff, music etc? Or HD videos and Adobe CS kinda stuff?

general web stuff, music - Logic etc, Photoshop
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 23 March 2010, 01:02:45 PM
Depends wetyher you want to spend the extra money to look "cool" or just want to get a cheaper laptop that will do the exact same stuff.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 23 March 2010, 01:09:07 PM
What you planning on using it for? Just general webby stuff, music etc? Or HD videos and Adobe CS kinda stuff?

general web stuff, music - Logic etc, Photoshop

You'll be fine with whatever macbook you choose to be honest.

I used to have macbook white 13 inch and now have mbp 17 inch. The 13 felt a little small after a while and I wanted something beefier. But I got a few years out of it and sold it for very little less than I originally paid.
Title: The Apple Thread (Apple Event 6pm Today)
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 12:08:56 AM
http://www.apple.com/live/

Apple Event 6pm Today. Expected iPad, Yosemite release, potential new iMac.

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Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Thursday 3 June 2010, 08:10:06 AM
what's all the fuss about?

Not too much really, a few new features and a slight redesign of the aesthetics of the phone. I'll get it, but maybe not till the end of the year, or when my 3g dies. Whichever comes first.

There will be an Apple conference thing about it on Monday, no doubt released by July, along with the release of the iPhone 4.0 OS that was announced a few months ago.

Cheers. So should anyone considering getting a new iPhone right now just wait a few months until th 4G is released?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 08:14:32 AM
Yes. Definitely.

Although you'll get cheaper deals on the 3GS in the next month or two. Depends where your priorities lie.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 08:29:08 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 08:37:06 AM
And RIM phones are 'massively' outselling Android phones. What's your point?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 3 June 2010, 08:39:47 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now

Well of course it is... How many devices is Android installed on compared to iPhone OS?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 08:48:00 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now

Well of course it is... How many devices is Android installed on compared to iPhone OS?

a lot, but ppl forget how big android is going to be, the next versions will overtake the iphone in how much better it is
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: MW on Thursday 3 June 2010, 08:50:10 AM
Will the price of 3G one fall quite a bit when this is released?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 09:01:15 AM
Probably, but I imagine they'll also limit it so that only one version of it is available.

If you buy before 4G is released, they may be purging all their 32gb stock so you may be in for a cheaper option already.

Nobody should consider buying a 3G right now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 09:03:43 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now

Well of course it is... How many devices is Android installed on compared to iPhone OS?

a lot, but ppl forget how big android is going to be, the next versions will overtake the iphone in how much better it is

Apart from the fragmentation that it already suffers will be ten times worse. People were complaining that their 3G is now becoming redundant, but I wonder how G1 owners are feeling right now?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: ToonTastic on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:11:09 AM
How many of the carriers are ready for 4G in this country ? Most still seem to struggle to make 3G available.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:12:27 AM
Oh ignore the "4G" title, that's by no means a reflection on the speed of the phone, it's just no-one knows the official title and 4G or HD have both seemingly stuck.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 11:00:54 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now

Well of course it is... How many devices is Android installed on compared to iPhone OS?

a lot, but ppl forget how big android is going to be, the next versions will overtake the iphone in how much better it is

Apart from the fragmentation that it already suffers will be ten times worse. People were complaining that their 3G is now becoming redundant, but I wonder how G1 owners are feeling right now?

this is what happens with early adopters of any technology.

apple's software imo is better for it's simplicity, but steve jobs reluctance to have flash on it while come back to bite as it's another 5-10 years before html5 will be widely used (it's still in draft form at this stage)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mofo on Thursday 3 June 2010, 11:19:27 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now

Well of course it is... How many devices is Android installed on compared to iPhone OS?

a lot, but ppl forget how big android is going to be, the next versions will overtake the iphone in how much better it is

Apart from the fragmentation that it already suffers will be ten times worse. People were complaining that their 3G is now becoming redundant, but I wonder how G1 owners are feeling right now?

Why?? not having a go but honestly don't know why?? I've got a G1 at the min, Due a upgrade in august i was going to go for the
HTC Desire is that a wise choice??
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 11:41:42 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now

Well of course it is... How many devices is Android installed on compared to iPhone OS?

a lot, but ppl forget how big android is going to be, the next versions will overtake the iphone in how much better it is

Apart from the fragmentation that it already suffers will be ten times worse. People were complaining that their 3G is now becoming redundant, but I wonder how G1 owners are feeling right now?

Why?? not having a go but honestly don't know why?? I've got a G1 at the min, Due a upgrade in august i was going to go for the
HTC Desire is that a wise choice??

Yes, great phone use's android to it's potential, but check the samsung galaxy s which is a beat of a phone (had a play with one on friday at work, and it was everything i want in a phone)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 11:47:40 AM
basically it put's the phone on specs wise on par with the HTC desire

should remember android is outselling the iphone massively now

Well of course it is... How many devices is Android installed on compared to iPhone OS?

a lot, but ppl forget how big android is going to be, the next versions will overtake the iphone in how much better it is

Apart from the fragmentation that it already suffers will be ten times worse. People were complaining that their 3G is now becoming redundant, but I wonder how G1 owners are feeling right now?

Why?? not having a go but honestly don't know why?? I've got a G1 at the min, Due a upgrade in august i was going to go for the
HTC Desire is that a wise choice??

Just because they announced it wouldn't be getting any further Android updates. They did this with the original iPhone and have been cutting new features from 3G compatibility too, people bitched a lot.

I don't even mind Android, I think people should get Android (preferably HTC) or iPhone. But each has it's flaws and it's ridiculous to pre-empt any future success based upon THERE ARE MORE ANDROIDS BEING SOLD NOW. It's not nearly that simple.

As far as flash goes, it has had little to no effect on my browsing with the iPhone, mainly because people develop for the iPhone especially, and this won't be changing any time soon. No matter how many Android phones sell, they're never going to have the same clout as Apple in shepherding developers, unless they gain a lot more media coverage and work out how to sell phones properly, not f*** up like they did with the Nexus One.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AfroP on Thursday 3 June 2010, 01:26:38 PM
The 4G refers to the 4G network which we in the UK do not have and the majority of providers have said they have no immediate plans to roll out a 4G network infrastructure(probably as they can barely get 3g working right)
The HTC evo 4g is a quality looking phone, so much so that I was looking to replace my iphone with it, but its not being released over here due to the lack of the 4G network.
its possible that as a result of 4G being the new iphone's network choice it will push UK providers to give it a more serious consideration, but I would expect costs to be even more ridiculous than they are now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 01:29:13 PM
There is absolutely no confirmation (nor denial) that the new iPhone will be 4G capable.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 01:38:33 PM
There is absolutely no confirmation (nor denial) that the new iPhone will be 4G capable.

i think that's next year, tho 4G is being rolled out on SPRINT in the US IIRC
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 01:39:53 PM
Yeah Sprint advertise themselves as the only 4g network.

The problem is that it's spotty at best and no f***er is on Sprint currently. God knows how it'll behave if people actually jump from Verizon/AT&T.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 3 June 2010, 02:13:41 PM
I know the appeal of the iphone is the touch screen but if they made one with a keyboard i think i'd get one.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 3 June 2010, 02:23:16 PM
Never going to happen. Stick to your Blackberry Mr.s***-Fingers.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 3 June 2010, 03:06:06 PM
Never going to happen. Stick to your Blackberry Mr.s***-Fingers.
:lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 05:05:02 PM
I know the appeal of the iphone is the touch screen but if they made one with a keyboard i think i'd get one.

my thumbs hurt badly from using the glass touch-screen, maybe I text and use email far too much now on the device
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Thursday 3 June 2010, 09:32:56 PM
Yes, great phone use's android to it's potential, but check the samsung galaxy s which is a beat of a phone (had a play with one on friday at work, and it was everything i want in a phone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kCdF6wrNYk

Whic networks are doing that phone? :drool:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:05:41 PM
Yes, great phone use's android to it's potential, but check the samsung galaxy s which is a beat of a phone (had a play with one on friday at work, and it was everything i want in a phone)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kCdF6wrNYk

Whic networks are doing that phone? :drool:

should be most, it's not an network exclusive from what samsung told me last week
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:19:27 PM
one feature i love, is you can set it up for when your at work, and once past 6pm it will change to a different layout etc! clear and useful function
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:27:54 PM
When will it be available? When?! WHEN?!?!!!!! :frantic:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: QBG on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:38:00 PM
Never going to happen. Stick to your Blackberry Mr.s***-Fingers.

Leave Ash alone, us Blackberry users stick together.

He's still never talked to me on blackberry messenger though, t***.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:39:23 PM
Never going to happen. Stick to your Blackberry Mr.s***-Fingers.

Leave Ash alone, us Blackberry users stick together.

(http://americatop100.com/fotos/albums/userpics/10001/youtube-star-chris-crocker-glitter.gif)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: QBG on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:41:02 PM
His resemblance to Ash is uncanny tbf.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:44:31 PM
His resemblance to Ash is uncanny tbf.

Now come on. You know I was saying that about you. Everyone else knows I was saying it about you. Don't try and deflect it onto Captain Spastic.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: QBG on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:46:43 PM
His resemblance to Ash is uncanny tbf.

Now come on. You know I was saying that about you. Everyone else knows I was saying it about you. Don't try and deflect it onto Captain Spastic.

Captain Spastic :lol:

I was blonde as a child, so I can accept the comparison. You will not break me  :angry:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Thursday 3 June 2010, 10:52:16 PM
His resemblance to Ash is uncanny tbf.

Now come on. You know I was saying that about you. Everyone else knows I was saying it about you. Don't try and deflect it onto Captain Spastic.

Captain Spastic :lol:

I was blonde as a child, so I can accept the comparison. You will not break me  :angry:

You'll keep. :shifty:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: LukeT on Friday 4 June 2010, 01:11:04 AM
When will it be available? When?! WHEN?!?!!!!! :frantic:

Announced June 7th at WWDC, available June 22nd  O0
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Decky on Friday 4 June 2010, 03:15:47 AM
How much will this cost on PAYG? Im thinking of getting an iPad like, but would rather this. I have an iTouch and desperately want to upgrade to the iPhone, but its so much f***ing money man!!!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 4 June 2010, 08:22:41 AM
iPod Touch. You don't have an iTouch.

The new iPhone will inevitably be around £500 PAYG. They normally take a few months to release it on PAYG also.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 4 June 2010, 08:25:06 AM
When will it be available? When?! WHEN?!?!!!!! :frantic:

Announced June 7th at WWDC, available June 22nd  O0

I wish people would stop making s*** up / not telling people when they're announcing rumour as fact.

The announced on 7th of June is 99.9% fact, the available June 22nd is rumour. Could well be true, probably will be, but it's not gospel yet, so don't announce it like it is.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Friday 4 June 2010, 11:09:44 AM
I've never had a problem with the touch-screen keypad on my iPhone, though the auto-correct does help.

Also, I have skinny fingers.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: LukeT on Friday 4 June 2010, 11:46:14 AM
When will it be available? When?! WHEN?!?!!!!! :frantic:

Announced June 7th at WWDC, available June 22nd  O0

I wish people would stop making s*** up / not telling people when they're announcing rumour as fact.

The announced on 7th of June is 99.9% fact, the available June 22nd is rumour. Could well be true, probably will be, but it's not gospel yet, so don't announce it like it is.

Im sorry. How about I change it to.... Announced June 7th at WWDC and available sometime before the end of June?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: LukeT on Friday 4 June 2010, 11:48:04 AM
iPod Touch. You don't have an iTouch.

The new iPhone will inevitably be around £500 PAYG. They normally take a few months to release it on PAYG also.

The first iPhone I bought was the 3GS and i bought that release day. Were the previous 2 not available straight away?

Edit: On PAYG
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 4 June 2010, 11:54:30 AM
When will it be available? When?! WHEN?!?!!!!! :frantic:

Announced June 7th at WWDC, available June 22nd  O0

I wish people would stop making s*** up / not telling people when they're announcing rumour as fact.

The announced on 7th of June is 99.9% fact, the available June 22nd is rumour. Could well be true, probably will be, but it's not gospel yet, so don't announce it like it is.

Im sorry. How about I change it to.... Announced June 7th at WWDC and available sometime before the end of June?

:) You're probably right in the first instance, but ooother people in the thread have already stated s*** that just isn't true. I don't like to mislead the people.

iPod Touch. You don't have an iTouch.

The new iPhone will inevitably be around £500 PAYG. They normally take a few months to release it on PAYG also.

The first iPhone I bought was the 3GS and i bought that release day. Were the previous 2 not available straight away?

Edit: On PAYG

It was the case with the 3G, unsure about the original. They didn't PAYG it until near December IIRC.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: LukeT on Friday 4 June 2010, 12:15:46 PM
When will it be available? When?! WHEN?!?!!!!! :frantic:

Announced June 7th at WWDC, available June 22nd  O0

I wish people would stop making s*** up / not telling people when they're announcing rumour as fact.

The announced on 7th of June is 99.9% fact, the available June 22nd is rumour. Could well be true, probably will be, but it's not gospel yet, so don't announce it like it is.

Im sorry. How about I change it to.... Announced June 7th at WWDC and available sometime before the end of June?

:) You're probably right in the first instance, but ooother people in the thread have already stated s*** that just isn't true. I don't like to mislead the people.

iPod Touch. You don't have an iTouch.

The new iPhone will inevitably be around £500 PAYG. They normally take a few months to release it on PAYG also.

The first iPhone I bought was the 3GS and i bought that release day. Were the previous 2 not available straight away?

Edit: On PAYG

It was the case with the 3G, unsure about the original. They didn't PAYG it until near December IIRC.

What a con. I'll never buy a contract iPhone because they release a new/updated one every year.

I also hope that it either doesn't use a micro sim or the network will transfer your number over to one so you can keep your current tariff.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 4 June 2010, 12:20:03 PM
I think the leak from gizmodo had a microSIM, sorry...

If you buy it PAYG from the same carrier that you're on, I see no reason why they wouldn't allow you to transfer your tariff and number to a microSIM. Alternative carriers may s*** on you though.

And tbh, PAYG and Contract are very similar as far as I'm concerned. Either you pay £500ish first thing, and then pay less from that point on, or you pay £35/£40 over 18-24months and end up paying about the same overall.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: LukeT on Friday 4 June 2010, 12:40:45 PM
I think the leak from gizmodo had a microSIM, sorry...

If you buy it PAYG from the same carrier that you're on, I see no reason why they wouldn't allow you to transfer your tariff and number to a microSIM. Alternative carriers may s*** on you though.

And tbh, PAYG and Contract are very similar as far as I'm concerned. Either you pay £500ish first thing, and then pay less from that point on, or you pay £35/£40 over 18-24months and end up paying about the same overall.


Yeah i know I just didn't want to say it did because it hadn't been announced. Hopefully if i buy on PAYG and because i will already have a microsim they just transfer my tariff/number onto that.

I worked it out last time; I payed £450 iPhone, £20 simplicity deal over 12 month is £240 = £690 but i get more minutes and texts plus a web/wifi bolt on and can upgrade every year. Over 18 moths its £810 whereas a 18 month contract was £275 iPhone, £35 a month = £905.

It's just the initial price for the phone but after that I pay less a month and get more minutes/texts.

Edit: Actually no thats wrong, I bought the 16gb and the £275 contract price above was for the 32gb. 16gb was £184.98 bringing the price over 18 months to £814.98
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:06:12 PM
Apparently its getting launched tonight.

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:06:52 PM
Haha

They're already 66 minutes through the presentation. It's exactly as leaked.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:09:02 PM
Ay! I've just seen this thread, Captain Spastic!

Fine Nick, i'll message you.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:09:10 PM
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/?sort=newest&refresh=0
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:21:03 PM
Lush. Want one. Getting one. When's it out?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:21:15 PM
"Microsoft have done a good job..."
Now there's six words I never thought Steve Jobs would say during a keynote :pow:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Kaizero on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:22:52 PM
I'd be a sp** and stand in line to get one of these on release day tbh.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:24:05 PM
"Microsoft have done a good job..."
Now there's six words I never thought Steve Jobs would say during a keynote :pow:
What was that in reference to?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:25:35 PM
"Microsoft have done a good job..."
Now there's six words I never thought Steve Jobs would say during a keynote :pow:
What was that in reference to?
Search engine IIRC.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:29:38 PM
aye

bing has been added as an option
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:30:10 PM
iPhone OS is dead

iOS is liveeeesss
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:30:28 PM
Quite nice that. Wonder when 02 will offer the upgrade.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Chrissy Bee on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:34:49 PM
At least they're not calling it iPhone 4G.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:35:19 PM
At least they're not calling it iPhone 4G.
That's next years model.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:39:09 PM
What the hell? First, Jobs is proud about videocalls, but it'll only work in wi-fi areas at launch? Haven't we had this for like five years over 3G?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:44:55 PM
24th of June in America, UK, France and Germany.
18 more countries in July, 24 in August and 40 in September.
iOS 4 is released on 21st of June, for free even for us on iPod Touch.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 07:56:46 PM
What the hell? First, Jobs is proud about videocalls, but it'll only work in wi-fi areas at launch? Haven't we had this for like five years over 3G?

I think they're a lot more interested in making it commonplace, which everyone else has failed to do so far tbh.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:11:40 PM
Integrated antennas. :lol:

Guess they were stuck for other stuff to put on that slide.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:14:04 PM
Integrated antennas. :lol:

Guess they were stuck for other stuff to put on that slide.

That's the coolest bit tbh. The metal pieces on the side (i.e t'only metal on the outside) has been designed so that they act as antennas. S'fancy.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:19:31 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/iphone4hands7.jpg)

Sexy.

Although White can f*** off.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:23:40 PM
Prefer the 3GS tbh.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:25:12 PM
Can you change the background image on the new OS?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:25:22 PM
Can you change the background image on the new OS?

YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Thank f*** tbh, I wanna go back to plain black, that raindrop image is woeful)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:26:39 PM
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/112259918.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1275940063&Signature=BMrMinwJV7ukJClXsb1jnnOBIrU%3D)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:30:05 PM
I still see no reason to get this (or exisiting iphone) over an HTC desire
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: oldtype on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:30:22 PM
Seems to me that the screen is the most absurd part of this. I don't even care about the video call that only works if you're talking to someone with an iPhone 4 and you're BOTH on Wifi. But that screen is ridiculous.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:31:47 PM
I still see no reason to get this (or exisiting iphone) over an HTC desire

Of course you don't. Now p*ss off back to your Android thread.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Kaizero on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:32:42 PM
I still see no reason to get this (or exisiting iphone) over an HTC desire

Of course you don't. Now p*ss off back to your Android thread.

:lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:36:26 PM
I still see no reason to get this (or exisiting iphone) over an HTC desire

Of course you don't. Now p*ss off back to your Android thread.
Battle of the fanboys! :frantic:
It's very little in it for me if I were to buy a new phone today. Would probably go for a Desire due to the price and already owning an iPod Touch, so I'd want a new experience from my phone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Kaizero on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:37:31 PM
I still see no reason to get this (or exisiting iphone) over an HTC desire

Of course you don't. Now p*ss off back to your Android thread.
Battle of the fanboys! :frantic:
It's very little in it for me if I were to buy a new phone today. Would probably go for a Desire due to the price and already owning an iPod Touch, so I'd want a s*** experience from my phone.

fyp
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:37:52 PM
:nope:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:40:06 PM
I still see no reason to get this (or exisiting iphone) over an HTC desire

Of course you don't. Now p*ss off back to your Android thread.
Battle of the fanboys! :frantic:
It's very little in it for me if I were to buy a new phone today. Would probably go for a Desire due to the price and already owning an iPod Touch, so I'd want a new experience from my phone.

:lol:

I'm not gonna claim the Desire is a bad phone by a long f***ing shot, as far as I'm concerned as long as you go Android or iPhone you've made a decent choice. But sensible discussion is certainly not going to come from Mr.Adam^, so why even bother to try.

I do agree that the user experience on the Android platform isn't as fluid as on the iOS, but I'm sure you can judge that for yourself. I've listed my reasons for iOS over Android for me personally in t'other thread anyway.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:41:06 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/iphone-4-first-hands-2010-06-0712-08-17-rm-eng.jpg)

Much better. Faithful old blacky.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:45:32 PM
It's very nice like. I just still can't believe the cost of them. You're talking what, £800?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:46:38 PM
Pretty much £800 over 18 months aye.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:53:19 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:55:30 PM
It's very nice like. I just still can't believe the cost of them. You're talking what, £800?

:nods: and :nods: and :yikes:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:55:37 PM
1200 minutes, unltd messages, data etc. 18 month plan.

o2 iPhone 16GB = 50 quid a month, free phone. £900 overall
Sony Xperia whatever it's called, equivalent plan would be £42.50. So £765.

I don't think that's a monumental difference personally.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Pedro_de_geordieo on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:56:55 PM
I bought a 32g on Pay and Go for £550 which included 1 year internet bolton free. love it and couldn't do without now. On O2
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 7 June 2010, 08:58:57 PM
1200 minutes, unltd messages, data etc. 18 month plan.

o2 iPhone 16GB = 50 quid a month, free phone. £900 overall
Sony Xperia whatever it's called, equivalent plan would be £42.50. So £765.

I don't think that's a monumental difference personally.

Think I'll just wait until my £20/month 3g is well and truly f***ed and just hope the price has come down by then.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:01:03 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:01:19 PM
1200 minutes, unltd messages, data etc. 18 month plan.

o2 iPhone 16GB = 50 quid a month, free phone. £900 overall
Sony Xperia whatever it's called, equivalent plan would be £42.50. So £765.

I don't think that's a monumental difference personally.

Think I'll just wait until my £20/month 3g is well and truly f***ed and just hope the price has come down by then.

I think it's pretty unlikely that it'll come down until this time next year.

It seems I'm in the same boat as you fwiw, 3G hanging around, on a £20p/m rolling contract.

You can get £184.00 on envirofone for your phone. It's bound to go down soon though, so I'd check that out. You can even go through the process of 'selling your phone' and if you change your mind it doesn't matter. But it assures that price for 30 days.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:03:01 PM
1200 minutes, unltd messages, data etc. 18 month plan.

o2 iPhone 16GB = 50 quid a month, free phone. £900 overall
Sony Xperia whatever it's called, equivalent plan would be £42.50. So £765.

I don't think that's a monumental difference personally.

Think I'll just wait until my £20/month 3g is well and truly f***ed and just hope the price has come down by then.

I think it's pretty unlikely that it'll come down until this time next year.

It seems I'm in the same boat as you fwiw, 3G hanging around, on a £20p/m rolling contract.

You can get £184.00 on envirofone for your phone. It's bound to go down soon though, so I'd check that out. You can even go through the process of 'selling your phone' and if you change your mind it doesn't matter. But it assures that price for 30 days.

Not with the crack it has in the back unfortunately. :(

It'll just have to do until it dies.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:03:11 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:

There can't be too many phones capable of 720p video recording can there? (I genuinely don't know about this one)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:03:17 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:
:lol: :lol:
I can't understand the cheek to try and claim that video calls is something new, it's been around for ages, not that anyone cares, because it's really not useful at all.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:04:45 PM
1200 minutes, unltd messages, data etc. 18 month plan.

o2 iPhone 16GB = 50 quid a month, free phone. £900 overall
Sony Xperia whatever it's called, equivalent plan would be £42.50. So £765.

I don't think that's a monumental difference personally.

Think I'll just wait until my £20/month 3g is well and truly f***ed and just hope the price has come down by then.

I think it's pretty unlikely that it'll come down until this time next year.

It seems I'm in the same boat as you fwiw, 3G hanging around, on a £20p/m rolling contract.

You can get £184.00 on envirofone for your phone. It's bound to go down soon though, so I'd check that out. You can even go through the process of 'selling your phone' and if you change your mind it doesn't matter. But it assures that price for 30 days.

Not with the crack it has in the back unfortunately. :(

It'll just have to do until it dies.

Perhaps not... but they'll offer something!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Rocker on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:06:44 PM
I love my desire!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:06:57 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:

As its apple, they could say this phone allows you to call people and everyone would lap it up as being revolutionary. Nice to see in 2010 you can finally have your own background....
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:08:21 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:

As its apple, they could say this phone allows you to call people and everyone would lap it up as being revolutionary. Nice to see in 2010 you can finally have your own background....

Can you have your own text message alert too?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:10:13 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:
:lol: :lol:
I can't understand the cheek to try and claim that video calls is something new, it's been around for ages, not that anyone cares, because it's really not useful at all.

It's going on 10 years since the 3G networks were launched and I've never been arsed to make a videocall. Nobody I know bothers either. Be interesting to see if anyone uses it on iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:10:34 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:

There can't be too many phones capable of 720p video recording can there? (I genuinely don't know about this one)

dan their is a number of phones which can do it, every new samsung smartphone has 720p recording :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:11:08 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:
:lol: :lol:
I can't understand the cheek to try and claim that video calls is something new, it's been around for ages, not that anyone cares, because it's really not useful at all.

It's going on 10 years since the 3G networks were launched and I've never been arsed to make a videocall. Nobody I know bothers either. Be interesting to see if anyone uses it on iPhone.
Didn't/Doesn't it cost a bomb?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:12:12 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:

There can't be too many phones capable of 720p video recording can there? (I genuinely don't know about this one)

dan their is a number of phones which can do it, every new samsung smartphone has 720p recording :lol:

Do they sell it as a 'great new feature'?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:12:13 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:
:lol: :lol:
I can't understand the cheek to try and claim that video calls is something new, it's been around for ages, not that anyone cares, because it's really not useful at all.

It's going on 10 years since the 3G networks were launched and I've never been arsed to make a videocall. Nobody I know bothers either. Be interesting to see if anyone uses it on iPhone.
The way I understand it is that not only do both of you need to be in a wifi spot, but both need the new iPhone as well. For something that is already so impractical, they really needed to make it easier rather than even more complicated.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:14:12 PM
There can't be too many phones capable of 720p video recording can there? (I genuinely don't know about this one)

20 results on GSMArena. Could do it on the Samsung Omnia, launched February 2009.

That's more the kind of feature they should be boasting about though, yeah.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:16:07 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:

There can't be too many phones capable of 720p video recording can there? (I genuinely don't know about this one)

dan their is a number of phones which can do it, every new samsung smartphone has 720p recording :lol:

Do they sell it as a 'great new feature'?

For the record I was on about that promo video that names standard video recording as one of the revolutionary things they introduced on the 3GS. In 2009.

Not the 720p on this new one.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:17:39 PM
Watch this and droooooooooooooooooooooooool!!

http://www.apple.com/iphone/design/#design-video

I don't know how they can keep a straight face and claim 'great new features' like video recording in 2009. :lol:

There can't be too many phones capable of 720p video recording can there? (I genuinely don't know about this one)

dan their is a number of phones which can do it, every new samsung smartphone has 720p recording :lol:

Do they sell it as a 'great new feature'?

at their event at work, they did a little
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:22:47 PM
Another bit on that video is how great it is on the (nearly ten years old) video calling feature you can switch to the rear camera to show stuff to people. You could do that on every 3G phone I can remember using.

The iPhone is a fantastic device with a hugely impressive UI and build quality, I just can't help but think they focus too much on things they should be sticking in there by default. It's like they've never picked up a competitor's product before. :laugh:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 7 June 2010, 09:38:30 PM
DO WANT.

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 08:26:25 AM
I want one !!!

Always had a Iphone since the 2G and ive always loved them, the quality of the product is great and ive always found that it just does what you want it to.  Cant wait to see the 4G, looks amazing, yes the "new" features have been done before by other phones but Im almost certain that the way this phone will do it will be 10x better, the video calling looks great.
Any news on when it will be gracing our shores ?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: oldtype on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 08:28:39 AM
To be fair video calling never caught on as a standard feature in American phones for some reason. So for them it's slightly less ridiculous that Apple is bigging video calling as a new feature.

wi-fi only, iPhone only video calling even  :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 08:45:28 AM
They thankfully specified that it's 'Wifi only in 2010'. I believe Steve said something like "We're working on it with the carriers".

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 10:13:13 AM
Can't be arsed to read the thread but is the camera going to be any less s*** on the new one?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 10:25:10 AM
Probably. It's better spec-wise, and they  said some stuff about megapixel density, but I know f*** all about cameras to understand that.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gemmill on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 10:56:13 AM
5mp camera. The video calling is such a non-feature tbh cost no one uses it. Its the sort of thing apple make look AMAZING on their adverts cost everyone's super goodlookng and who WOULDN'T want to ring that bird on videophone, but in reality its just a waste of a feature.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 11:07:35 AM
As someone who is planning to move to the US, it's a massive feature for me. Whether that's for calling the UK when I'm there, or calling the US when I'm here.

I would've bought an iPad if it had the same capability.

*is hoping there are no international restrictions*
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Rob W on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 11:08:59 AM
expensive and over hyped Jobs stuff as usual
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gemmill on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 11:20:18 AM
There'll be no international restrictions for doing it on wifi.     
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 11:29:26 AM
Aye I can't imagine there would be, but I would not like to make assumptions and then get very sad when they tell me otherwise.

I wanna know how the accounts work for this FaceTime stuff, is it like an iChat account or does it just work off your phone number? 2 weeks till I find out. Hmph.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 12:25:57 PM
Any ideas how much this is going to cost on PAYG?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 12:42:36 PM
£500+ I'd imagine.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 12:44:04 PM
Just looking at last year:

iPhone 3G S 16GB - £440.40
iPhone 3G S 32GB - £538.30
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:04:09 PM
They're on the Apple site now at...

£449.00 and £499.00 on O2, £440 and £489 on Orange.

I don't know if the 32GB has just gone down or what. A little confused.

I'll be PAYGing I think. Probably with AppleCare, just in case.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:06:46 PM
How easy are iPhones to unlock from their network?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:09:56 PM
3G and 3GS would be a piece of p*ss. Unknown how easy it'll be with this new phone.

It's a piece of p*ss because of the iphone dev team and similar folk who release very straightforward programs that allow you to jailbreak and unlock in minutes.

Oh, and O2 do that for free if you'd prefer to go the more kosher route. Free on contract, or for £15 on PAYG.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:12:56 PM
Any word on prices for contract options? I've been looking around for specifically Orange prices, but can't see anything.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:14:51 PM
Nothing yet. Expect similar/exactly the same prices as 3GS/3G.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:16:11 PM
Is it still impossible/costly to tether an iPhone via Bluetooth?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:17:25 PM
They're on the Apple site now at...

£449.00 and £499.00 on O2, £440 and £489 on Orange.

I don't know if the 32GB has just gone down or what. A little confused.

I'll be PAYGing I think. Probably with AppleCare, just in case.

is that the 3GS?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:22:07 PM
Yep. These are the current prices for the 3GS on apple.com. As you no doubt know, these phones will cease to be when iPhone4 rears it's head.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:25:18 PM
Is it still impossible/costly to tether an iPhone via Bluetooth?

Costly yes, 3GB for a tenner on O2
Impossible? possibly, it may only be a iPod cable thing. Dunno, never tried it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:29:19 PM
Aye, just been looking. So you get unlimited data included but if you want to display that exact same data on another device they charge you again.

f***ing ludicrous, and the reason I won't be getting an iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:31:07 PM
Aye, just been looking. So you get unlimited data included but if you want to display that exact same data on another device they charge you again.

f***ing ludicrous, and the reason I won't be getting an iPhone.

I'm sure all the network operators do that policy, no matter what phone your using!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:32:57 PM
Aye, just been looking. So you get unlimited data included but if you want to display that exact same data on another device they charge you again.

f***ing ludicrous, and the reason I won't be getting an iPhone.

I'm sure all the network operators do that policy, no matter what phone your using!

Damn you getting in there before me.

I guess the difference is that you can try and see if you can get away with it on most other phones, where as I don't think you can try on the iPhone without it being officially enabled.

+ it never used to be this way, but as smartphones have got more popular and networks have become stretched, these limitations appear. Whilst it's annoying, I don't disagree with them charging for it. I see it as you're paying as Unlimited Data on your phone only tbh.

+2 although the prices are still ridiculously high.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:35:57 PM
Neither T-Mobile or Vodafone have ever prevented me doing it. The difference I assume is they can tell you're doing it with an iPhone and stop you.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:37:56 PM
If data is unlimited why should they be able to charge based on how you display it? It's like a DVD costing you more if you want to watch it on a bigger telly.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:38:25 PM
Any idea what the potential upgrade options will be for this? If any.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:44:19 PM
If data is unlimited why should they be able to charge based on how you display it? It's like a DVD costing you more if you want to watch it on a bigger telly.

It really isn't at all like that is it :lol:

It's data usage on a mobile network, these data usage are "Unlimited" but always with a *fair use policy. Those policies tend to state that tethering is not defined as fair use. That's fine with me, I think it's unrealistic to expect mobile data to be truly unlimited, you could end up sharing your connection with your entire village and they'd have no comeback.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:45:36 PM
Any idea what the potential upgrade options will be for this? If any.

Doubtful if there'll be anything published, will depend how amazing a customer you are.

Although there will be a 'get the new iPhone and cut your current contract short for free if your current iPhone will be out of contract before Jan 2011'
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:46:48 PM
It's exactly like that. If I open this forum in Safari on an iPhone, it pulls exactly the same amount of data as viewing the same webpage on my laptop instead. Why should I pay more for the same thing? It's not like the iPhone is downloading it twice.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:47:00 PM
Just got mine at the start of Feb 2010, got about a year till I can upgrade, though i'm quite happy with the 3Gs and does everything i need it too i will no doubt upgrade to this when i can.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:48:29 PM
It's exactly like that. If I open this forum in Safari on an iPhone, it pulls exactly the same amount of data as viewing the same webpage on my laptop instead. Why should I pay more for the same thing? It's not like the iPhone is downloading it twice.

Because the nature of the device is completely different, and entirely uncontrolled by the network. You will inevitably be able to download significantly more content browsing on a computer than on an iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:52:21 PM
What, and you can't download much via iTunes or the App store?

Using too much data is one thing, and I'm not disputing the fact that people who take the p*ss should expect to be cut off and/or charged more. In fact if they didn't lie about the data being 'unlimited' then it'd be much easier for everyone.

All I'm saying is that if I am going to use data within the fair usage allowance given to me (say 5GB), then it shouldn't matter whether or not that 5GB of data is displayed on an iPhone screen or a computer screen. To charge again is farcical.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 01:52:41 PM
Any idea what the potential upgrade options will be for this? If any.

Doubtful if there'll be anything published, will depend how amazing a customer you are.

Although there will be a 'get the new iPhone and cut your current contract short for free if your current iPhone will be out of contract before Jan 2011'

Well we've been with 02 (My family) for well over a decade, close to 15 years. But Sky just scoffed when I claimed the loyalty card the other month.

I'm really debating whether to get this really. I'll be ditching my blackberry for sure, and looking to get my girlfriend a phone too when she moves here. But really it seems very much an Apple product. Not so much an improvement, just more bells and whistles.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 02:01:23 PM
What, and you can't download much via iTunes or the App store?

Using too much data is one thing, and I'm not disputing the fact that people who take the p*ss should expect to be cut off and/or charged more. In fact if they didn't lie about the data being 'unlimited' then it'd be much easier for everyone.

All I'm saying is that if I am going to use data within the fair usage allowance given to me (say 5GB), then it shouldn't matter whether or not that 5GB of data is displayed on an iPhone screen or a computer screen. To charge again is farcical.

Your iTunes/AppStore downloads are limited to any file below 20MB and it used to be 10.

But no, I see your point better now, if there was a clear 5GB limit and they had the means of automatically ensuring you couldn't go above that, then I see no issue with it. I imagine they probably get more custom from claiming it to be unlimited than offering free tethering on a limited plan. And we're saying 5GB, but it'd blatantly be more like 500MB. Orange and O2 PAYG offers free data for a year with the iPhone, O2 is unlimited 'fair use' and Orange is 250MB limit. Orange was immediately discounted.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 02:03:17 PM
Any idea what the potential upgrade options will be for this? If any.

Doubtful if there'll be anything published, will depend how amazing a customer you are.

Although there will be a 'get the new iPhone and cut your current contract short for free if your current iPhone will be out of contract before Jan 2011'

Well we've been with 02 (My family) for well over a decade, close to 15 years. But Sky just scoffed when I claimed the loyalty card the other month.

I'm really debating whether to get this really. I'll be ditching my blackberry for sure, and looking to get my girlfriend a phone too when she moves here. But really it seems very much an Apple product. Not so much an improvement, just more bells and whistles.

It's probably more likely you'd get a good offer if you waited till the phone wasn't brand new, and if you've a history of ridiculously overspending on your bill. I don't work for a phone network so I don't know what their practices are really. It's all about chancing it I guess.

As far as improvement goes, it's a massive improvement for 3G users, which is really who this is aimed at, as everyone in America will be on 24 month contracts. 3GS users will be looking at the next cycle really.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 03:27:50 PM
T-Mobile have announced they're joining the party.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 03:43:18 PM
Did Orange and Vodafone entering the market have any appreciable effect on handset and/or tariff prices?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 03:45:22 PM
None whatsoever. The only difference really is the little intricies of their tariffs.

Things like network-to-network benefits and data caps.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 03:53:24 PM
You can use the iPhone as a tethered connection for free if you jailbreak and get an app for it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 03:57:22 PM
I'm going to miss my WI-FI sync and my calendar on the lock screen. Hmph.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 04:19:10 PM
You can use the iPhone as a tethered connection for free if you jailbreak and get an app for it.

what app is that?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 04:34:14 PM
MyWi
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 06:03:36 PM
It's exactly like that. If I open this forum in Safari on an iPhone, it pulls exactly the same amount of data as viewing the same webpage on my laptop instead. Why should I pay more for the same thing? It's not like the iPhone is downloading it twice.

I'd agree if you had a hard limit on data, but "fair usage" of a computer puts a much larger strain on the network than a smartphone. I've gone through my data allowance within 5 days when just surfing on a tethered netbook. I've never managed that in less than 25 days on my phone alone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:01:22 PM
this iphone should have the biggest launch, we at work taking 7,000 pre-orders by lunch today
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:04:30 PM
Jeezus.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:05:02 PM
this iphone should have the biggest launch, we at work taking 7,000 pre-orders by lunch today

How were pre-orders being taken? Nee sign of such a thing online. No prices anywhere either...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:31:04 PM
No mention of it on T-Mobile's German homepage.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:41:14 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/6-7-10-iphone4germany.jpg)


iPhone 4 wird in D exklusiv durch die #Telekom vertrieben. Noch keine genauen Angaben zu Verkaufstermin, Preisen & Tarifen möglich.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Kaizero on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:41:40 PM
this iphone should have the biggest launch, we at work taking 7,000 pre-orders by lunch today

How were pre-orders being taken? Nee sign of such a thing online. No prices anywhere either...

You can pre-order in Norway as well, and they don't even know what prices they'll be out for yet. Madness.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:41:57 PM
this iphone should have the biggest launch, we at work taking 7,000 pre-orders by lunch today

How were pre-orders being taken? Nee sign of such a thing online. No prices anywhere either...

well pre-registration! but in contract we only had 800 3GS at the same stage
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 09:48:41 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/06/6-7-10-iphone4germany.jpg)


iPhone 4 wird in D exklusiv durch die #Telekom vertrieben. Noch keine genauen Angaben zu Verkaufstermin, Preisen & Tarifen möglich.


Well spotted. So there's the pre-order date,  but nothing else. Not that I will be buying one, anyway. I'll get the iPhone 5 next November. Looking forward to getting iOS 4 on my 3GS, though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 8 June 2010, 10:37:37 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 05:06:53 PM
o2 early upgrade options

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/howtoupgrade.html (http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/howtoupgrade.html)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 05:48:06 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 09:10:56 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.

Only for those with iPhones already?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 09:17:43 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.

Only for those with iPhones already?

Nah, but if you cancel early, you'll be paying £20 p/month remaining in your contract.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/earlyupgradeoffer.html
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 09:19:49 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.

Only for those with iPhones already?

Nah, but if you cancel early, you'll be paying £20 p/month remaining in your contract.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/earlyupgradeoffer.html

Is the phone then free or is there a fee on top of that?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 09:23:43 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.

Only for those with iPhones already?

Nah, but if you cancel early, you'll be paying £20 p/month remaining in your contract.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/earlyupgradeoffer.html

Is the phone then free or is there a fee on top of that?

Then it'd be the same cost as it would be if you didn't have a contract. You're just buying your contract out for cheaper than you otherwise could. You still have to sign up for a new contract + pay for the phone on top of that.

s*** deal if you ask me. Saying that, the sensible folk planned ahead for this and don't have an outstanding contract :smug:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 10:31:00 PM
I think I'll wait a while till I get this..... :shifty:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:05:45 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.

Only for those with iPhones already?

Nah, but if you cancel early, you'll be paying £20 p/month remaining in your contract.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/earlyupgradeoffer.html

Is the phone then free or is there a fee on top of that?

Then it'd be the same cost as it would be if you didn't have a contract. You're just buying your contract out for cheaper than you otherwise could. You still have to sign up for a new contract + pay for the phone on top of that.

s*** deal if you ask me. Saying that, the sensible folk planned ahead for this and don't have an outstanding contract :smug:
f*** it, I only have to wait 2 month's untill I can upgrade without any penalties in anyway, infact it will be just a little over a month by the time the phone comes out. By then the hype will of died down a bit and I'd probs be able to get through to Orange instead of having to wait in a que for 6 hours while everyone else orders theirs.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:12:10 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.
If you don't mind me asking, how the f*** do you get a job there? I've tried a few times and I usually get an email back within an hour or so saying I'm not what they are looking form, have you got any pointer/tips for me for my application process?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:14:06 PM
*sniggers*
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:14:21 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.
If you don't mind me asking, how the f*** do you get a job there? I've tried a few times and I usually get an email back within an hour or so saying I'm not what they are looking form, have you got any pointer/tips for me for my application process?

Learn how to spell? ;)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:15:28 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.
If you don't mind me asking, how the f*** do you get a job there? I've tried a few times and I usually get an email back within an hour or so saying I'm not what they are looking form, have you got any pointer/tips for me for my application process?

Learn how to spell? ;)
Yeah I always do a spell check before I submit my applications :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:16:10 PM
 :whistle:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:16:37 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.

Only for those with iPhones already?

Nah, but if you cancel early, you'll be paying £20 p/month remaining in your contract.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/earlyupgradeoffer.html

Is the phone then free or is there a fee on top of that?

Then it'd be the same cost as it would be if you didn't have a contract. You're just buying your contract out for cheaper than you otherwise could. You still have to sign up for a new contract + pay for the phone on top of that.

s*** deal if you ask me. Saying that, the sensible folk planned ahead for this and don't have an outstanding contract :smug:
f*** it, I only have to wait 2 month's untill I can upgrade without any penalties in anyway, infact it will be just a little over a month by the time the phone comes out. By then the hype will of died down a bit and I'd probs be able to get through to Orange instead of having to wait in a que for 6 hours while everyone else orders theirs.

If they had made it a tenner, people may take them up on it, but at £20 it seems that if your contract is out within 2 months, you may as well wait, and if it's any longer, it becomes too expensive an amount to pay!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:19:16 PM
Anyone here who works for Orange?

If so can you tell me if Orange will be doing the same thing as 02 are going to do and offer anyone who is within 6 month's of a contract upgrade to upgrade eearly for the iPhone 4?

I do, but ive only just started. However ive heard rumours that the early upgrade thing will happen.

Only for those with iPhones already?

Nah, but if you cancel early, you'll be paying £20 p/month remaining in your contract.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/earlyupgradeoffer.html

Is the phone then free or is there a fee on top of that?

Then it'd be the same cost as it would be if you didn't have a contract. You're just buying your contract out for cheaper than you otherwise could. You still have to sign up for a new contract + pay for the phone on top of that.

s*** deal if you ask me. Saying that, the sensible folk planned ahead for this and don't have an outstanding contract :smug:
f*** it, I only have to wait 2 month's untill I can upgrade without any penalties in anyway, infact it will be just a little over a month by the time the phone comes out. By then the hype will of died down a bit and I'd probs be able to get through to Orange instead of having to wait in a que for 6 hours while everyone else orders theirs.

If they had made it a tenner, people may take them up on it, but at £20 it seems that if your contract is out within 2 months, you may as well wait, and if it's any longer, it becomes too expensive an amount to pay!
Aye, my contract is only £10 more a month then that so I'd rather pay the £20 more on my contract and actually get something for that money.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:28:20 PM
I have a year left on my contract, so I basically need to establish whether it's going to be cheaper to pay up my contract and take out a new one, or remain in my contract and buy the phone on PAYG.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Wednesday 9 June 2010, 11:54:53 PM
Right I'm confused as hell. I bought the 3G on day of release 2008. Even if I signed a 2 year contract surely I should have had calls about renewing now?I qualify for the upgrade either way which is cool.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 10 June 2010, 12:34:57 AM
Right I'm confused as hell. I bought the 3G on day of release 2008. Even if I signed a 2 year contract surely I should have had calls about renewing now?I qualify for the upgrade either way which is cool.
Not really, some networks will just let your contract roll.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 10 June 2010, 01:14:06 AM
But surely they give you a call just to ask if you'd like to renew?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:23:53 AM
But surely they give you a call just to ask if you'd like to renew?
Usually, but assuming you got tied into a 2 year deal when the 3G came ouyt, then it's not over yet, though it may only be a matter of weeks untill it is.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 08:19:19 AM
But surely they give you a call just to ask if you'd like to renew?

I bought 3G on day of release too, but I immediately cancelled mine after my 18 month contract was completed and dropped down to a iPhone Simplicity plan, for £20 p/month. I don't understand why you'd expect them to call you when all it's going to end up with is you reducing your contract amount?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 10 June 2010, 08:24:15 AM
But surely they give you a call just to ask if you'd like to renew?

I bought 3G on day of release too, but I immediately cancelled mine after my 18 month contract was completed and dropped down to a iPhone Simplicity plan, for £20 p/month. I don't understand why you'd expect them to call you when all it's going to end up with is you reducing your contract amount?
So if I've been on a rolling deal do I qualify for the iphone4?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 08:31:44 AM
But surely they give you a call just to ask if you'd like to renew?

I bought 3G on day of release too, but I immediately cancelled mine after my 18 month contract was completed and dropped down to a iPhone Simplicity plan, for £20 p/month. I don't understand why you'd expect them to call you when all it's going to end up with is you reducing your contract amount?
So if I've been on a rolling deal do I qualify for the iphone4?

Well your contract is effectively over, so you can do what the f*** you want, cancel and head off to vodafone, or just go in-store (or online) and upgrade to the new iPhone on the 24th, which will tie you to another 18/24 months. It's no cheaper than it is for someone with no contract.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 10 June 2010, 08:44:07 AM
I meant the upgrade sorry.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 08:59:41 AM
What is this mystical upgrade you speak of? The end of your contract means nowt other than you're now free to do what you want, such as buy the new iPhone.

You will receive no benefits from O2. Nothing will be cheaper than otherwise advertised.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 10 June 2010, 09:03:16 AM
I was referring to the upgrade on the previous page, the one that guarantees you one on release. I was asking would they basically allow to change my rolling deal to a one for the iphone4. But like you say the rolling deal is that.

Thanks. Is there even the remotest mention of price?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 09:09:15 AM
Nah. Fully expectant for it to be same as current 3GS pricing though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 10:26:28 AM
Three Network will be accepting pre-orders for the iPhone 4 on June 15th.

No pricing announced yet.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 10 June 2010, 10:29:20 AM
If it's the same price as 3GS they can bugger off. I was annoyed they wanted you to pay for the 3G on the £35 contract.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 10:51:42 AM
I am 99.99% sure it will be the same price (or a smidge higher due to exchange rates).

Why would you expect anything different?!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 10 June 2010, 11:02:06 AM
I didn't know the price of the 3GS I only just checked it ergo my anger.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 10 June 2010, 12:33:58 PM
Three Network will be accepting pre-orders for the iPhone 4 on June 15th.

No pricing announced yet.
I would like to think the competition would lower the prices slightly, but I guess there is no chance of that happening. We just need Virgin for a clean sweep now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 10 June 2010, 01:34:54 PM
It looks good like, I hope O2 provide an upgrade route for people still under contract. Bearing in mind you can still sell the 3GS for over £200, it shouldn't be too pricey.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:07:34 PM
The upgrade information has already been published...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:08:53 PM
I can't find anything on the O2 UK site.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:26:54 PM
O2 have now also published their tariffs. And they're not pretty.

Same price tariffs, but with 500MB data limits.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:27:50 PM
http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html

http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/howtoupgrade.html
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:43:47 PM
O2 have now also published their tariffs. And they're not pretty.

Same price tariffs, but with 500MB data limits.
I maybe right, and I maybe wrong, but hasn't it always been limited at 500mb due to the fair usage policy?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:46:02 PM
This new phone is pants, and will remain pants until my contract runs out.  :huff:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:46:12 PM
No. It hasn't.

The fair use policy just states Unlimited 'fair use'. Which just means don't take the p*ss. No number is given.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:50:11 PM
FWIW, I've used 850mb in the last 4 months. In these 4 months I've been able to download files that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to download, as my phone is jailbroken.

Basically, I imagine you'll do well to go over 500MB as my usage is rather heavy.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:54:06 PM
FWIW, I've used 850mb in the last 4 months. In these 4 months I've been able to download files that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to download, as my phone is jailbroken.

Basically, I imagine you'll do well to go over 500MB as my usage is rather heavy.

Do you not use wi-fi a lot though?

I'm pretty sure o2's standard fair use policy for cellular data is around 900MB.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 10 June 2010, 02:56:27 PM
FWIW, I've used 850mb in the last 4 months. In these 4 months I've been able to download files that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to download, as my phone is jailbroken.

Basically, I imagine you'll do well to go over 500MB as my usage is rather heavy.
Well in the link you provided it says only 97% of iPhone users go over that per month. Also you have to remember that you get free unlimited Wifi and most of us have that at home and it's available everywhere in our cities and most town centre and most have cafe's with free Wifi. So anyone getting their knickers in a twist about it should really ask themselves if they have a life outside of iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:02:40 PM
O2 have now also published their tariffs. And they're not pretty.

Same price tariffs, but with 500MB data limits.
I maybe right, and I maybe wrong, but hasn't it always been limited at 500mb due to the fair usage policy?

That maybe right.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:08:59 PM
O2 have now also published their tariffs. And they're not pretty.

Same price tariffs, but with 500MB data limits.
I maybe right, and I maybe wrong, but hasn't it always been limited at 500mb due to the fair usage policy?

That maybe right.

It maybe also wrong, but I think he maybe definitely right about the most town centre and cafe's things in his most recent post. May be.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:11:28 PM
Tbh an iphone without wifi is pretty much a standard phone. The speeds without wifi are incredibly s****, I never even bother going on, you can't even download apps over a certain size either.

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:12:18 PM
FWIW, I've used 850mb in the last 4 months. In these 4 months I've been able to download files that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to download, as my phone is jailbroken.

Basically, I imagine you'll do well to go over 500MB as my usage is rather heavy.

Do you not use wi-fi a lot though?

I'm pretty sure o2's standard fair use policy for cellular data is around 900MB.

The number I've quoted as my own usage is Cellular Network Data usage only, it doesn't include Wi-Fi, which I use at home some of the time. Although I have often just turned wifi off and used 3G in the house.

I was always under the impression no number was listed in their fair use policy, but I'll dig around.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:13:41 PM
Tbh an iphone without wifi is pretty much a standard phone. The speeds without wifi are incredibly s****, I never even bother going on, you can't even download apps over a certain size either.



Disagree. I often use 3G even when I've got a wifi option. Especially in 'public' wifi spots, where I've gotta f*** around with logins.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:15:11 PM
O2 have now also published their tariffs. And they're not pretty.

Same price tariffs, but with 500MB data limits.
I maybe right, and I maybe wrong, but hasn't it always been limited at 500mb due to the fair usage policy?

That maybe right.

It maybe also wrong, but I think he maybe definitely right about the most town centre and cafe's things in his most recent post. May be.

Hmm, I can may be see your point. Although, you maybe lying.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:15:51 PM
O2 have now also published their tariffs. And they're not pretty.

Same price tariffs, but with 500MB data limits.
I maybe right, and I maybe wrong, but hasn't it always been limited at 500mb due to the fair usage policy?

That maybe right.

It maybe also wrong, but I think he maybe definitely right about the most town centre and cafe's things in his most recent post. May be.

Hmm, I can may be see your point. Although, you maybe lying.

Definitely.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:16:34 PM
Tbh an iphone without wifi is pretty much a standard phone. The speeds without wifi are incredibly s****, I never even bother going on, you can't even download apps over a certain size either.



Disagree. I often use 3G even when I've got a wifi option. Especially in 'public' wifi spots, where I've gotta f*** around with logins.

3G helps, but mainly i only ever get around 56k speeds (testing via speedtest app) I once had a nearly 1mb for about 10 seconds just when i got my phone, i thought that's how it would be all the time.

I just light use it when im out, but its annoying when you want to check something out and it takes 50 times longer than when you are on wifi.

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:18:13 PM
Tbh an iphone without wifi is pretty much a standard phone. The speeds without wifi are incredibly s****, I never even bother going on, you can't even download apps over a certain size either.


Disagree. I often use 3G even when I've got a wifi option. Especially in 'public' wifi spots, where I've gotta f*** around with logins.

Same, I leave WiFi switched off almost all the time, except when I'm somewhere for a while and I want to watch iPlayer or something.

It's just a hassle logging in and out all over the place. If you just want to check BBC Sport or something, that takes longer than just using 3G.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:19:23 PM
I've been downloading on Installous at about 240kb/sec I believe.

Maybe definitely.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:20:38 PM
I've been downloading on Installous at about 240kb/sec I believe.

Maybe definitely.

Decent speeds like.

This in any particular place? I can hardly get 10k on the metro when moving.

I'm with vodaphone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:22:16 PM
I've been downloading on Installous at about 240kb/sec I believe.

Maybe definitely.

Decent speeds like.

This in any particular place? I can hardly get 10k on the metro when moving.

I'm with vodaphone.

At work or at home. Work is on the Quayside (the s*** part) and home is in Forest Hall.

With O2.

I'm not poor, so I dunno about speeds whilst on the Metro.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:24:39 PM
I've just done a couple of speed tests on 3G, got at least 1.2mb on each of them. I've never had a problem with 3G like.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:25:18 PM
3G is normally pretty fast for me like. Don't know the exact speed, but it can comfortably stream tvcatchup.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:27:55 PM
speedtest.net app just gave me 968kbps download, 220kbps upload. Plenty.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:29:58 PM
Which in worthwhile numbers is about 136.6kB/s or 1 Mbps.

I wonder if I can get it higher.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Thursday 10 June 2010, 03:37:00 PM
The highest I've got on SpeedTest so far is 1437kbps.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 10 June 2010, 04:27:31 PM
FWIW, I've used 850mb in the last 4 months. In these 4 months I've been able to download files that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to download, as my phone is jailbroken.

Basically, I imagine you'll do well to go over 500MB as my usage is rather heavy.

Do you listen to streaming music? I reckon that must eat up the bandwidth.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 04:28:49 PM
I just did a little test and watched my stats go up whilst listening to Last.fm.

It seemed to go up by 0.9-1.5MB per song. If I listened to that all month at work, I'm sure I could comfortably reach up to a gig of data used.

Hmmmmmmm :undecided:

edit: To actually answer the question: I rarely actually use streaming music services, or stream movies. Just lots of dicking around.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 10 June 2010, 04:32:38 PM
The early upgrade prices are mental, I can't see myself going for it. £20 to pay off each month of your contract, then you have to buy a new iPhone, and sign up for a new contract that has worse conditions than your current one (I assume). Madness I tell thee.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 10 June 2010, 04:34:36 PM
So if I want this what's my best option? Trade in the 3G and put the cash towards paying for the phone on a tariff?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 06:23:10 PM
Yeah. Tho if you're gonna recycle your phone, make sure you read your terms and conditions.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 10 June 2010, 06:28:32 PM
WiFi is w*** on the iPhone, it's all over the internet how performance is nowhere near what it should be (if your net connection is much faster etc). I had the same on my Touch.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 06:32:59 PM
On wifi speed test gives me 350kB/sec. My connection is about 525kB/sec on Ethernet.

That's fine as far as I'm concerned.

How fast does G get anyway?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 06:33:29 PM
Or is it more for people with actual good web connections?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 June 2010, 06:35:31 PM
:lol: ignore my G question... It's alot faster than my net will ever be.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 10 June 2010, 06:48:00 PM
Tops out about 22Mbit/s. ;)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 10 June 2010, 07:18:28 PM
WiFi is w*** on the iPhone, it's all over the internet how performance is nowhere near what it should be (if your net connection is much faster etc). I had the same on my Touch.

Tops out about 22Mbit/s. ;)

How are you testing that?

I just did a comparison of my iPhone vs my netbook (on WiFi), and server and desktop (both LAN). The iPhone clocked in at 9.3Mbit/sec on WiFi, which was better than my netbook at 7.5Mbit/sec. The computers on the LAN got 14-15Mbit/sec.

I repeated the test on my desktop using WiFi instead of the LAN connection and got the same result, so I think the difference is due to the iPhone's puny hardware. That the netbook got a s*** result kind of backs that up: relatively puny processor plus bloated Flash.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 10 June 2010, 11:41:35 PM
Nah man, 802.11g as a protocol tops out about 22Mbit/s throughput is what I meant - in relation to Dan's post.

I have ~8Mbit/s at home (can get up to 12Mbit/s) but couldn't get more than 1.5Mbit/s through my iPod Touch 1G. I looked it up and there were loads of people complaining about WiFi being shitter than 3G, even on the 3GS.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Friday 11 June 2010, 01:43:41 AM
Oh right.

I'm not having that problem, so lol :D
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 11 June 2010, 08:53:28 AM
wifi on the iphone 3GS is brilliant, just as fast as a desktop machine (well for N-O anyway)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 12 June 2010, 11:29:34 AM
I wonder if the new Metro Centre Apple store will open up in time for then iPhone 4 being released?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Sunday 13 June 2010, 10:12:16 AM
I wonder if the new Metro Centre Apple store will open up in time for then iPhone 4 being released?

Havent heard anything about that like, and i cant see why apple would open two stores so close to eachother.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GG on Sunday 13 June 2010, 11:14:04 AM
WiFi is w*** on the iPhone, it's all over the internet how performance is nowhere near what it should be (if your net connection is much faster etc). I had the same on my Touch.

5.059kb/s on iPhone vs 5.45kb/s on laptop
388kb/s upload vs 0.95kb/s upload

Download speed isn't that much different for me? (Although my connection is probably relatively s***)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 13 June 2010, 11:16:55 AM
I think the point is that those who have really good internet aren't seeing those speeds on their iPhone. i.e. speeds that should still be achievable via wifi.

Unfortunately, this isn't something I can test. :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Sunday 13 June 2010, 11:28:18 AM
I wonder if the new Metro Centre Apple store will open up in time for then iPhone 4 being released?

Havent heard anything about that like, and i cant see why apple would open two stores so close to eachother.

It's on the Apple website, definitely happening.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 13 June 2010, 11:42:35 AM
I wonder if the new Metro Centre Apple store will open up in time for then iPhone 4 being released?

Havent heard anything about that like, and i cant see why apple would open two stores so close to eachother.

apple are trying to expand massively at this time, where is it opening in the metro centre
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 13 June 2010, 12:04:20 PM
It seems Stifler is right!

Just searching on Apple Jobs, it comes up with "Gateshead - MetroCentre". No more details.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 13 June 2010, 12:36:30 PM
Ofcourse I'm right, whatever makes anyone think I wasn't?

I have no idea where abouts it is opening in the Metro Centre, but it is. Two stores within 2-3 miles of each other here is a good sign. Apparently the Eldon Square store has exceeded expectations and Apple are trying to stop the sales of Mac's from the likes of PC World around here. I wouldn't be too surpirsed if Apple products were only available online or by an Apple store in the near future.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Sunday 13 June 2010, 01:48:16 PM
Not sure about the Mac stores, as the times I've been past its been full of kids, and I doubt they have enough money to afford a Mac! I wonder what they will do regarding john Lewis, as they have been selling Macs for ages.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 13 June 2010, 02:04:54 PM
Not sure about the Mac stores, as the times I've been past its been full of kids, and I doubt they have enough money to afford a Mac! I wonder what they will do regarding john Lewis, as they have been selling Macs for ages.
Another thing is that where Apple stores have opened, they seem to to start selling more Apple products in the areas around it, though a lot of those sales may not be through that store. They also make a lot of money off thing like headphones, docking stations, Apple care, and the genius bars etc all help towards sales and provides a very good aftersales service. Having a store in the Metro Centre (which is still arguably Europe's largest shopping mall) will help sales in the rest of the NE, and the MC gets a lot of custom from not only all around the UK but also from Scandanvia etc. This could prove to vital when things like the iPhone come out as plenty of people are prepared to come over to the UK to purchase Apple products only weeks/month's before they go on sale in their home country. I myself am not too botherd about it, though it does show faith in retail in the NE, but I'm happy so long as Eldon Square has an Apple store as I'm myself am not a fan of the MC. 
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Sunday 13 June 2010, 02:31:08 PM
Very surprised at the metrocentre getting one like..Wonder where it'll be? Probably in one of the empty stores next to Debenhams...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 13 June 2010, 02:31:59 PM
Very surprised at the metrocentre getting one like..Wonder where it'll be? Probably in one of the empty stores next to Debenhams...

I hope it's in that area of the MC, the rest is a shithole.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Sunday 13 June 2010, 02:35:53 PM
I doubt Apple would settle for anywhere else in there tbh... Imagine if it ended up in the Roman Village or something hahaha
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 13 June 2010, 02:39:09 PM
maybe they've just applied for one of them dodgy gypo stalls outside the cinema...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Sunday 13 June 2010, 04:13:01 PM
Well the prices Apple charge I doubt, having an expensive store with high rent will be a problem.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Sunday 13 June 2010, 05:46:20 PM
I think the point is that those who have really good internet aren't seeing those speeds on their iPhone. i.e. speeds that should still be achievable via wifi.

Unfortunately, this isn't something I can test. :(

Nah, I think some device/router combos don't work very well. I've even heard of some iPod Touches not working with a router, while a supposedly identical one does.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 13 June 2010, 06:01:53 PM
I think the point is that those who have really good internet aren't seeing those speeds on their iPhone. i.e. speeds that should still be achievable via wifi.

Unfortunately, this isn't something I can test. :(

Nah, I think some device/router combos don't work very well. I've even heard of some iPod Touches not working with a router, while a supposedly identical one does.

Ah.

Well.

Airport Extreme :smug:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:35:43 AM
How decadent.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: morgs on Monday 14 June 2010, 05:37:09 PM
prices now out

http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/vodafone-announces-iphone-4-uk-prices-16gb-189-32gb-280-16-04-2010/
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 14 June 2010, 06:02:27 PM
They seem to be the same or around the prices of the 3gs, I'm hoping Orange will undercut that though, but I guess we all know that they will price fix it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 14 June 2010, 06:07:07 PM
i suspect three will try and undercut the others, also i'm hoping that they give away spotify premium for free like on their android phones, that certainly would me swtiching to them
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: je85 on Monday 14 June 2010, 06:31:07 PM
Three need to undercut them, to make up for the dodgy service.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 14 June 2010, 06:46:50 PM
Rumours are that the phones will be £30 more then the 3GS was. So if you pay a small fee ontop of your contract for the iPhone then that fee will have another £30 ontop of what the 3GS had and the same goes for the Payas you go handsets.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Monday 14 June 2010, 09:49:35 PM
Is it right that with the new IPhones, O2 will be scrapping the unlimited internet use?

For me, thats THE best thing about my current iPhone deal.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Monday 14 June 2010, 09:55:50 PM
Yes, 500mb data limit, with the option to extend to 1gb (the current fair-use limit on most tariffs) for an extra fiver as a bolt-on.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 14 June 2010, 09:58:54 PM
Is it right that with the new IPhones, O2 will be scrapping the unlimited internet use?

For me, thats THE best thing about my current iPhone deal.
But only 3% of iPhone users go over that per month, also Wifi is unlimited. Not a big deal in most cases.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Monday 14 June 2010, 09:59:26 PM
What does 500mb equate to in terms of hours simply browsing the net?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:02:17 PM
MILLIONS
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:02:39 PM
Well, a lot. Not millions.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:12:33 PM
I've gone over 500mb since last Wednesday thanks to the world cup.

Vodafone offer basically the same contract as O2, but with 1gb limit. Bye Bye O2!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:20:37 PM
Yeah, if you're streaming it rapes it. tvcatchup.com typically downloads between 150 and 200mb/h.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:21:41 PM
Not even just that though, listening to games on the radio have probably worked at a meg every 2 minutes.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:25:11 PM
Been thinking of getting an iPhone when my contract runs out, but limits on internet use are naff as f***.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:30:38 PM
It's not so bad if you have regular access to wi-fi, but if you have to use 3G a lot it soon eats through the data if you're doing anything but basic browsing.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:31:37 PM
Been thinking of getting an iPhone when my contract runs out, but limits on internet use are naff as f***.

i'm on my phone all the time, and i never go over
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:38:01 PM
Been thinking of getting an iPhone when my contract runs out, but limits on internet use are naff as f***.

i'm on my phone all the time, and i never go over

Hmm yeah but I imagine I'll be hot on this TV Catch Up business - it's a major selling point for me tbh.

Just basically don't want to be in a position where I can easily go over my allowance, whether that be minutes, texts or internet.  Been stung with that enough times before.  I'm a pure sad c*** these days, so no chance of touching the sides with my minutes or texts, but I don't want to be watching my internet use as it kills the fun imo.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:39:54 PM
Been thinking of getting an iPhone when my contract runs out, but limits on internet use are naff as f***.

i'm on my phone all the time, and i never go over

Hmm yeah but I imagine I'll be hot on this TV Catch Up business - it's a major selling point for me tbh.

Just basically don't want to be in a position where I can easily go over my allowance, whether that be minutes, texts or internet.  Been stung with that enough times before.  I'm a pure sad c*** these days, so no chance of touching the sides with my minutes or texts, but I don't want to be watching my internet use as it kills the fun imo.

I completely agree with that mentality and over the last 2 years I don't think I would've gone over 500mb more than 3 or 4 times. Vodafone has a 1gb cap, so go that route.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 14 June 2010, 10:45:03 PM
Might do aye, cheers. :thup: It's a little while yet, mind.

I just don't like it when you start thinking something's the 'going rate', i.e. free internet use on a product you're paying around £500 a year for, and they shift the goalposts.  But I suppose the iPhone's becoming so multi-functional that they might feel they have to put something in place.  I understand it like, I just think it's a bit naff.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 12:51:40 PM
Been thinking of getting an iPhone when my contract runs out, but limits on internet use are naff as f***.

i'm on my phone all the time, and i never go over

Hmm yeah but I imagine I'll be hot on this TV Catch Up business - it's a major selling point for me tbh.

Just basically don't want to be in a position where I can easily go over my allowance, whether that be minutes, texts or internet.  Been stung with that enough times before.  I'm a pure sad c*** these days, so no chance of touching the sides with my minutes or texts, but I don't want to be watching my internet use as it kills the fun imo.

Dunno how it works in the UK, but if I go over my Internet limit in DE, all that happens is they put the brakes on the connection. Well T-Mobile have done with my iPhone. O2 say they have done the same with my Palm Pre, but it doesn't appear to have any affect.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 01:42:45 PM
I'm so very tempted. Must resist though. Blackberry 4 life.  :pow:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 01:49:27 PM
Just had a play with a mate's HTC something-or-other with WinMo on it. Mutton dressed as lamb.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 01:55:24 PM
A little off topic, but still Apple related.

Is it possible to copy my music from my iPod to my computer?, just because a couple of month's ago my laptop which has all my itune on f***ed up and now I only have my full play list on my iPod, and only some of which is located on a flash pen of mine which is unorgansied etc. I don't want to lose all my music but when it comes to getting the new iPhone I want my music on there. Also if not is it possible to take my hard drive out of my laptop, and be able to connect it to my netbook somehow so that I can salvage my music?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 02:01:18 PM
The main improvement I want is for the bloody thing to work at the match. All my previous phones were okay for checking scores etc at SJP but I never get on with my iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 02:02:42 PM
A little off topic, but still Apple related.

Is it possible to copy my music from my iPod to my computer?, just because a couple of month's ago my laptop which has all my itune on f***ed up and now I only have my full play list on my iPod, and only some of which is located on a flash pen of mine which is unorgansied etc. I don't want to lose all my music but when it comes to getting the new iPhone I want my music on there. Also if not is it possible to take my hard drive out of my laptop, and be able to connect it to my netbook somehow so that I can salvage my music?

There's loads of free progams that let you do it, jst google.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 02:05:32 PM
The main improvement I want is for the bloody thing to work at the match. All my previous phones were okay for checking scores etc at SJP but I never get on with my iPhone.

All my phones have been like that. I always just assumed it was network congestion due to everyone trying to do the same.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 02:13:04 PM
A little off topic, but still Apple related.

Is it possible to copy my music from my iPod to my computer?, just because a couple of month's ago my laptop which has all my itune on f***ed up and now I only have my full play list on my iPod, and only some of which is located on a flash pen of mine which is unorgansied etc. I don't want to lose all my music but when it comes to getting the new iPhone I want my music on there. Also if not is it possible to take my hard drive out of my laptop, and be able to connect it to my netbook somehow so that I can salvage my music?

Here (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=copy+music+from+ipod+to+computer).
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 03:56:24 PM
Re using it at the match. On my older phones, half time was generally impossible but at other times was okay. Annoying that the lad next to me has a Blackberry on O2 and gets online no bother.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 04:01:39 PM
The metal trim around the edge of the phone is one big external antenna, so that should help boost the signal.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 04:51:01 PM
The metal trim around the edge of the phone is one big external antenna, so that should help boost the signal.

Won't help if the cell is overloaded, though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Thursday 17 June 2010, 04:16:46 PM
http://shop.o2.co.uk/new-iphone/tariffs.html
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 17 June 2010, 04:21:13 PM
Orange have carbon copy tariffs but with 750mb limit. Everyone needs to say good day to o2 IMO. Awaiting vodafone's repost.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 17 June 2010, 06:13:13 PM
Orange have carbon copy tariffs but with 750mb limit. Everyone needs to say good day to o2 IMO. Awaiting vodafone's repost.
T-Mobile and 3 still have to release their tariffs aswell. Also not everyone gets a good Orange signal in their house for some reason.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 17 June 2010, 06:19:25 PM
Forgot to say earlier, re: Vodafone. Some people will have seen a screenshot of their iPhone 4 prices, but they were just a leak. A leak identical to their 3GS prices. I don't believe those prices will have been correct for the 4.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Thursday 17 June 2010, 06:21:52 PM
Re: Vodafone. Some people will have seen a screenshot of their iPhone 4 prices, but they were just a leak. A leak identical to their 3GS prices. I don't believe those prices will have been correct for the 4.

Balls. I was banking on having me an £89 (or was it £98) jobbie. Absolutely amazed that I'm going to get £100 back for this piece of s*** Omnia HD.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 17 June 2010, 06:26:38 PM
Forgot to say earlier, re: Vodafone. Some people will have seen a screenshot of their iPhone 4 prices, but they were just a leak. A leak identical to their 3GS prices. I don't believe those prices will have been correct for the 4.
Aye, they put up message later that day saying it was just a test and they were still in talks with Apple about how much the tariffs will be, which in the end means that if Apple are the ones dictating the prices then it's price fixed as we all guessed. Also I think I'm right about the prices of the handsets going up £30.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Friday 18 June 2010, 07:03:24 PM
Forgot to say earlier, re: Vodafone. Some people will have seen a screenshot of their iPhone 4 prices, but they were just a leak. A leak identical to their 3GS prices. I don't believe those prices will have been correct for the 4.
Aye, they put up message later that day saying it was just a test and they were still in talks with Apple about how much the tariffs will be, which in the end means that if Apple are the ones dictating the prices then it's price fixed as we all guessed. Also I think I'm right about the prices of the handsets going up £30.

That's illegal.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Saturday 19 June 2010, 12:57:39 PM
As if it's coming out on T-Mobile. And properly aswell, not just on the snide.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Allmo on Saturday 19 June 2010, 01:20:06 PM
Forgot to say earlier, re: Vodafone. Some people will have seen a screenshot of their iPhone 4 prices, but they were just a leak. A leak identical to their 3GS prices. I don't believe those prices will have been correct for the 4.
Aye, they put up message later that day saying it was just a test and they were still in talks with Apple about how much the tariffs will be, which in the end means that if Apple are the ones dictating the prices then it's price fixed as we all guessed. Also I think I'm right about the prices of the handsets going up £30.

That's illegal.

It'll be tacit. It's in everyones interest to keep the prices high, so they just will.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Saturday 19 June 2010, 02:11:39 PM
Can't decide whether to wait for this to be released on PAYG or purchase a sim-free Samsung Galaxy S from the carphone warehouse... Hmm...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 19 June 2010, 02:39:28 PM
Wait? I'm payg and mine will be arriving Thursday. I've also got one reserved at store too!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Saturday 19 June 2010, 07:04:53 PM
Well yeah, but from what I can see, the Galaxy S is typically regarded as being on par with the iPhone 4, if not better. It's certainly technologically better.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Saturday 19 June 2010, 07:20:18 PM
Just installing iOS 4 on my 3GS. 12 minutes more till restore is complete.

Can't wait!

Instructions here (http://www.iphonexpert.com/how-to-download-ios4-iphone-ipod-touch-gm-firmware-itunes-9-2-beta/) for anyone else wanting to get on iOS 4 early.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Saturday 19 June 2010, 08:07:32 PM
Is it working okay? Tempted to install, but I'm also scared. :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Saturday 19 June 2010, 08:11:58 PM
It installed and is syncing all my stuff back on now. Maybe another 20 minutes...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Saturday 19 June 2010, 08:47:09 PM
Looks good, works fine. No idea how to use these folders and multitasking, though...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Saturday 19 June 2010, 08:50:18 PM
Are you on 3GS? Multitasking should be operated by holding in the home button. Folders should work by dragging one app on top of another one.

Maybe since this isn't the full release, the functionality isn't there?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 19 June 2010, 09:37:02 PM
Well yeah, but from what I can see, the Galaxy S is typically regarded as being on par with the iPhone 4, if not better. It's certainly technologically better.

We both know that anything but an iPhone will leave a massive black hole in your life.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Saturday 19 June 2010, 09:40:22 PM
:lol:

I think you're probably right. The Galaxy S is the first phone that's turned my head though, mainly because the layout is so similar to the iPhone, but the OS is more functional. I think I'll have a play about with iOS4 on Monday and see what it can do before I make any decisions.

Good deal on the Galaxy S here though: http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?Manufacturer=Samsung&Item=SamsungGalaxySI9000%2816GB%29%288GBInternalMemory+8GBMicroSDcard%29&Product=85A56848-7934-4DCF-8520-26B5BB58291B&Category=GROUP2

16GB of memory for the price of an 8GB model.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 19 June 2010, 09:45:42 PM
Well, enjoy your decision making process. I really like my gfs Eris, but it will never have the lust that my iPhone has.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Saturday 19 June 2010, 11:04:52 PM
Looks good, works fine. No idea how to use these folders and multitasking, though...

Have you figured it all out yet? Impressions?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Sunday 20 June 2010, 02:46:45 AM
Are you on 3GS? Multitasking should be operated by holding in the home button. Folders should work by dragging one app on top of another one.

Maybe since this isn't the full release, the functionality isn't there?

Yup 3GS. Been playing with iOS 4 for the last 4-5 hours. Very nice indeed. Here's a good rundown of the new features (http://www.tipb.com/2010/06/14/ios-4-walkthrough/). Folders are very nice, though a bit more differentiation would be better (i.e. they all look the same, and I'm used to having folders with custom icons on OS X). The multitasking is good, too, though it currently serves as more of a recently-used-apps list.

There are a hell of a lot of other smaller features, too, like a unified mail inbox and better control over calendars. Many of the new features are for developers, not users (e.g. access to calendars from 3rd party software).

This is basically the full release, as it's the "golden master" released to developers. Apple "forgot" to include the checks that verify if it's a registered dev device. Basically, they don't want a server meltdown like with the pre-orders for iPhone 4, so they've left a way for the keen folk to get it early, and these are the people who'd otherwise be champing at the bit to get the update, and writing about the slowness of the servers etc. It's possible that there'll be additional features in the official release, but extremely unlikely: no software company adds features this late a stage. It's far more likely that there'll be one or two bug fixes or that features would be removed.

Personally, I'm very impressed with the update. Nothing groundbreaking, but Apple doesn't really roll that way.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 20 June 2010, 11:55:38 AM
android with full flash 10.1 is brilliant as f***
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 20 June 2010, 12:00:39 PM
android with full flash 10.1 is brilliant as f***

wrong thread :aww:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Sunday 20 June 2010, 02:21:28 PM
Installed it. Not sure about the multitasking at the moment; impossible to judge until apps are coded for it. As Wacko said, at the moment it only serves as a quick way of flicking between commonly used apps. It's also handy for terminating processes completely, which AFAIK wasn't possible in OS3 after they introduced Voice Commands.

Folders are handy, it's nice being able to lump everything on the home screen. I'm also pleased with the ability to search through text messages in Spotlight.

Other small features I've noticed...: You now have a "replace" button when you highlight a word, which suggests similar words that you may want to change it to. There's also a spell-checker that underlines words that you may have spelled incorrectly. There's a character-count in SMS, which is pretty self-explanatory. The count appears above the "Send" button when you get to the second line.

That's all I've stumbled across so far.

EDIT: the iPod app is slightly different. There's an additional screen when you select an album, rather than going straight to the "now playing" screen. You can also easily add playlists physically on the phone, rather than doing it through iTunes.

EDIT EDIT: Actually it's not an additional screen, just a revamp of the old one.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Monday 21 June 2010, 11:36:32 PM
Just finished spending 2hrs getting os4 and was wondering if anyone else has done the same and is having issues with skype. When I use the multitask option it says that skype only supports os3 - even though there's a load of web press saying it will work under os4s multitask option. Whenever i try to it ends up logging me out. Not impressed.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Monday 21 June 2010, 11:40:18 PM
Just finished spending 2hrs getting os4 and was wondering if anyone else has done the same and is having issues with skype. When I use the multitask option it says that skype only supports os3 - even though there's a load of web press saying it will work under os4s multitask option. Whenever i try to it ends up logging me out. Not impressed.

Could be it just uses too much memory to work on the 3/3GS (or the other apps your using). Most everything I pause to the background on my 3GS gets restarted when I go back to it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Monday 21 June 2010, 11:44:45 PM
I've emailed Vodafone about upgrading. Still a maybe at the moment though, i want to stick with Blackberry but i've seen ONE app i like and it's a nice looking phone...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:00:35 AM
Maybe a memory issue wacko but I'm using a 3GS and apple said multitasking would work with 3GS. Just checked some other apps out and i don't think multitasking is working at all. Gonna give up and gan to bed.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:03:39 AM
Maybe a memory issue wacko but I'm using a 3GS and apple said multitasking would work with 3GS. Just checked some other apps out and i don't think multitasking is working at all. Gonna give up and gan to bed.

That's pretty much the impression I got :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:12:35 AM
Just seems to bring up a list of your most recent apps when you use the home button doesn't it? Don't know how your supposed to open another app that isn't in that recent list. Tomorrows another day.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: QBG on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:36:26 AM
Tempted by this, though I think the chances of me upgrading for months into a contract on a Blackberry are pretty much nil.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 01:41:09 AM
Re: the multitasking, it won't work properly until the apps themselves are coded for it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:07:00 AM
New features from the OS look good, folders and multi tasking will be quite useful although im not sure that its true multi tasking imo.
Looking forward to getting the new IP4 on thursday either way, one worry is with the now limited data usage when using the carriers network, i quite often watch catchup TV on my Iphone, not sure how much of my limit this will suck ? any ideas ?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:18:44 AM
Aye, there are only a tiny handful of apps that support multitasking atm, you need to wait for them to be updated.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:20:14 AM
And TVCatchup will destroy the O2 500mb limit within 2-4 hours.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:23:31 AM
And TVCatchup will destroy the O2 500mb limit within 2-4 hours.
Thats what i thought, what a b****** !! whats the reason for the limits now ?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:31:41 AM
Vodafone have a 1gb limit and Orange have 750mb limit btw...

I'd assume it's just because of over use of their network by the minority of nerdlingers who use that much data.

"This enables us to provide a better overall experience for the vast majority of customers and to better manage demand"

"Based on current usage patterns, 97% of O2 smartphone customers would not need to buy additional data allowances, as the lowest bundle (500MB) provides at least 2.5 times the average O2 customer’s current use."
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:33:39 AM
Vodafone have a 1gb limit and Orange have 750mb limit btw...

I'd assume it's just because of over use of their network by the minority of nerdlingers who use that much data.

"This enables us to provide a better overall experience for the vast majority of customers and to better manage demand"

"Based on current usage patterns, 97% of O2 smartphone customers would not need to buy additional data allowances, as the lowest bundle (500MB) provides at least 2.5 times the average O2 customer’s current use."

The b******s !!!  oh well, suppose ill just have to do some work instead lol
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:38:16 AM
New features from the OS look good, folders and multi tasking will be quite useful although im not sure that its true multi tasking imo.
Looking forward to getting the new IP4 on thursday either way, one worry is with the now limited data usage when using the carriers network, i quite often watch catchup TV on my Iphone, not sure how much of my limit this will suck ? any ideas ?

Is that limit just for new iPhone 4 contracts? I haven't been told anything about my unlimited data being taken off me.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 11:14:14 AM
Unlimited data will end when your current contract ends.

If it's a rolling contract, it'll end in October.

This is O2 only.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:19:13 PM
still waiting for something like the ability to actually order one...all the carriers are just "pre-registering"
I could do without having to actually queue ina  shop on THursday..ideally I'd like to be able to order up one now and collect it on Thursday...
been out of contract since December waiting for this to be released...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:21:40 PM
still waiting for something like the ability to actually order one...all the carriers are just "pre-registering"
I could do without having to actually queue ina  shop on THursday..ideally I'd like to be able to order up one now and collect it on Thursday...
been out of contract since December waiting for this to be released...

You can buy them on the Apple website sim-free. You'll not find many places where you can actually physically order them at the minute on a network though, most networks are prioritising existing customers.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:25:22 PM
yeah I didn't want to buy one outright..
I can go with o2 who i'm with now, if only they'd let me bloody order one!
(mind you id rather go to vodafone for the bigger data usage...)

we shall see :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:48:11 PM
Just got off the phone with O2, they rang me asking if i want to upgrade early as i registered my interest, 16GB 600 mins, 500mb, unlim txt £40, £28 for me because i get a discount through work.
£60 to upgrade early, £119 for the phone on 18 months, Manzooma offered £155.14 for my old 3G.....win bloody win imo
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 12:50:57 PM
Oh and ill have it for thursday, insurance is £15 per month !!!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 01:03:41 PM
still waiting for something like the ability to actually order one...all the carriers are just "pre-registering"
I could do without having to actually queue ina  shop on THursday..ideally I'd like to be able to order up one now and collect it on Thursday...
been out of contract since December waiting for this to be released...

You can buy them on the Apple website sim-free. You'll not find many places where you can actually physically order them at the minute on a network though, most networks are prioritising existing customers.

On pre-order day you could reserve one online to collect in-store (apple store), you were able to reserve for contract purposes. They're sold out now though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 03:33:56 PM
Micro-sim......activated lol
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 07:05:17 PM
Just noticed that my camera app isnt working since downloading OS4.  The app opens but the onscreen shutter doesnt.  I've done a restore and lost all my apps but the camera app is still fooked.  You had similar problems Wacko?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 07:12:05 PM
Camera works fine for me.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 07:27:44 PM
Camera works fine for me.

Bollocks.  I downloaded the OS last night but never thought of checking the camera. I've had the phone in for a repair to the dock connector today and am starting to think the bloke in the shop has knocked something.

Bollocks, bollocks, bollocks!!!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 07:30:05 PM
Camera works fine for me.

For me, too.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 07:43:21 PM
Just noticed that my camera app isnt working since downloading OS4.  The app opens but the onscreen shutter doesnt.  I've done a restore and lost all my apps but the camera app is still fooked.  You had similar problems Wacko?
Mine took ages for the shutter to open the first few times, works fine now though. (3G)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:03:20 PM
Anyway I can reinstall either os4 or even os3?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:06:02 PM
4 - yes
3 - not without fiddling.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: davy_fulla on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:21:29 PM
4 - yes
3 - not without fiddling.

How will reinstall os4 mate? When I go into iTunes it just says I already have the updated version. I've already done a full restore.

For some reason I find iTunes so complicated I never dare use it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 08:28:36 PM
I think 'Restore' will reinstall the OS, but I'm not totally sure.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 09:48:09 PM
That simswap malarky took less than 3 minutes. So much for 24 hrs. :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 09:49:23 PM
That simswap malarky took less than 3 minutes. So much for 24 hrs. :)

what simswap malarky?
i feel I have missed out on summat
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 09:50:42 PM
That simswap malarky took less than 3 minutes. So much for 24 hrs. :)

what simswap malarky?
i feel I have missed out on summat

O2 sent out a microsim for use in iPhone 4. I filled in their online form 2 get my plan moved onto the microsim. I tried to text my mate to tell him I'd filled in the form, but by the time I'd finished the text, my SIM was no longer operational as it has been moved to this microsim.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 09:52:05 PM
That simswap malarky took less than 3 minutes. So much for 24 hrs. :)

what simswap malarky?
i feel I have missed out on summat

O2 sent out a microsim for use in iPhone 4. I filled in their online form 2 get my plan moved onto the microsim. I tried to text my mate to tell him I'd filled in the form, but by the time I'd finished the text, my SIM was no longer operational as it has been moved to this microsim.

goddamit o2 are pissing me off..
I filled in loads of forms and pre-order stuff on the o2 site and so far they have royally ignored me!
carphonewarehouse are emailing out tomorrow with where will have stock on thursday, may take my chances and try to get a vodafone contract there

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 09:58:39 PM
That simswap malarky took less than 3 minutes. So much for 24 hrs. :)

what simswap malarky?
i feel I have missed out on summat

O2 sent out a microsim for use in iPhone 4. I filled in their online form 2 get my plan moved onto the microsim. I tried to text my mate to tell him I'd filled in the form, but by the time I'd finished the text, my SIM was no longer operational as it has been moved to this microsim.

goddamit o2 are pissing me off..
I filled in loads of forms and pre-order stuff on the o2 site and so far they have royally ignored me!
carphonewarehouse are emailing out tomorrow with where will have stock on thursday, may take my chances and try to get a vodafone contract there



O2 only sent these microSIMs out to few people. I didn't even get one, this was my brothers. It was if you registered your interest (signed up for their newsletter).

Anyway, you'll be able to get one from their store, or just from the apple store if you buy your phone there.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:19:46 PM
ah ok..I withdraw my rage :)

still surprised at no word from Vodafone, although I did read that they think they can fulfill all the orders for new and existing customers (unlikely I reckon)

would'nt mind but my missus has just got a HTC desire and is annoying me with its shiny new phone-ness :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:21:05 PM
Just cut your existing sim card with a pair of scissors, there's nothing fancy about them. I did it years ago when they went from credit-card sized ones to what they are now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:22:55 PM
Just cut your existing sim card with a pair of scissors, there's nothing fancy about them. I did it years ago when they went from credit-card sized ones to what they are now.

Aye, I was fully planning to do this, but a microsim arrived at my door so it all worked out well.

I was a little scared mind you, if I f***ed the SIM up I'dve been SIM FREE for a few days no doubt.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:24:27 PM
oh aye it wasn't so much the "i want a microsim", more "I'd quite like some of the networks to give me an idea they want my custom"
:)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:26:10 PM
I don't think the networks can deal with the demand atm, so they're keeping quiet and letting people come to them.

My advice would be - just go to the Apple Store and queue up for hours like the cool kids.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:29:36 PM
yeah only I didn't want to pay outright for one..
tho if I juggle some cash I probably could..
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:30:41 PM
yeah only I didn't want to pay outright for one..
tho if I juggle some cash I probably could..

They're selling them for each provider at the Apple Store. You can sign up for a contract there.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:34:11 PM
are they? I don't think I realised that.....
doh!
in that case its up to the apple store I go! handy I live less than a mile from one :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 22 June 2010, 10:39:55 PM
I've finally made the decision to stick with my 3GS until the iPhone 5 comes out. Having used iOS4 over the last few days, I really can't see how the iPhone 4 is going to add all that much to the experience of using the operating system compared to using it on the 3GS.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 11:32:38 AM
I've finally made the decision to stick with my 3GS until the iPhone 5 comes out. Having used iOS4 over the last few days, I really can't see how the iPhone 4 is going to add all that much to the experience of using the operating system compared to using it on the 3GS.

That's the one problem with offering free updates IMO, it discourages upgraders.

I was planning to keep my 2G until iPhone 4, but it broke a few months ago. So I now have a 3GS with 12 months to go, will be doing the same as you and waiting for the next generation.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 11:44:41 AM
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/apple/how-to-make-your-own-ipad-micro-sim-681020
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 11:54:22 AM
Tesco prices are supposedly out, and they be decent.

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/iphone-4-tariffs-now-announced-by-tesco-698332



Tesco has announced its PAYG and contract prices for iPhone 4.

On pay as you go, the 16GB iPhone 4 is priced at £479, and the 32GB iPhone 4 at £569.

On contract, you have three options:

£20 a month for a 12-month contract, which includes 250 minutes of talk time, unlimited texts and 1GB a month of data. The up-front payment for the 16GB iPhone 4 is £349, while the 32GB iPhone 4 will set you back £429.

£35 a month for a 12-month contract with 750 minutes, unlimited texts and 1GB of data a month. The handset costs are £229 for the 16GB iPhone 4 and £299 for the 32GB iPhone 4.

£45 a month for a 24-month contract, with unlimited minutes and texts and 1GB of data per month. The 16GB iPhone 4 on this tariff is £19, while the 32GB iPhone 4 is £99.

Read more: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/iphone-4-tariffs-now-announced-by-tesco-698332#ixzz0rfkxqZ1V
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 06:04:28 PM
I've finally made the decision to stick with my 3GS until the iPhone 5 comes out. Having used iOS4 over the last few days, I really can't see how the iPhone 4 is going to add all that much to the experience of using the operating system compared to using it on the 3GS.

It's got a lot more RAM, so the multitasking will work much better. Faster processor, too. iOS4 runs fine on the 3GS, but is apparently pretty slow on the 3G, which is what most upgraders are probably using, given standard contract lengths.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 09:46:31 PM
People should keep their iPhones for 2 years. 3GS losers should wait it out.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 09:49:50 PM
Right, Burnip, you are the best man ask about this. What is the best way for me to get my hands on one? Order online tomorrow? Go a store first thing? I dunno...

This is a big step, jumping ship from Blackberry
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 10:03:42 PM
Unsure, tho I'd predict voda or tesco websites.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 10:05:36 PM
Any idea what time they will go up on the tesco site?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 10:06:18 PM
7 voda. I read 8for tesco but tWas just hearsay
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 10:13:59 PM
Reckon i get any advantage from Voda already being a voda customer?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 23 June 2010, 10:16:28 PM
Probably not.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Thursday 24 June 2010, 12:07:51 AM
Reckon i get any advantage from Voda already being a voda customer?

They only care if you're about to leave with your contract running out .
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 24 June 2010, 12:44:42 AM
People should keep their iPhones for 2 years. 3GS losers should wait it out.

That's what I'm doing, loser that I am :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 24 June 2010, 01:00:12 AM
It's okay wacko, we'll have the last laugh when we have our brand new iPhone 5s and these smug c***s are contractually tied down to their old fashioned iPhone 4s. :snod:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 24 June 2010, 01:17:56 AM
It's okay wacko, we'll have the last laugh when we have our brand new iPhone 5s and these smug c***s are contractually tied down to their old fashioned iPhone 4s. :snod:

Except we'll end up with a 4GS and they'll get the 5, suffering early adopters that we are :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 04:05:12 AM
It's okay wacko, we'll have the last laugh when we have our brand new iPhone 5s and these smug c***s are contractually tied down to their old fashioned iPhone 4s. :snod:

Except we'll end up with a 4GS and they'll get the 5, suffering early adopters that we are :(

 :snod: :snod: :snod:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 06:11:43 AM
Now on sale on Vodafone site, got mine ordered.
Good job i stayed up and didn't get up at 7
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Thursday 24 June 2010, 09:34:31 AM
Now on sale on Vodafone site, got mine ordered.
Good job i stayed up and didn't get up at 7


ordered mine as well, haven't had the 2nd confirmation email yet..and the web site is now saying they have sold all their stock!

apparently existing customers are given priority and their 2nd emails were sent pretty quickly
grr
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:09:09 AM
I ordered about 6:05, Confirmation 6:09, Credit Check passed 6:19 emails
No delivery email yet though  :rant:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:14:59 AM
bah, see I waited until 7am as thats when they said you could order!
 I was pottering around the house from about 6:15 and didn't even log on!
still waiting...my hopes are dashed..quite fancied one for the weekend :(

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:19:47 AM
That's why i ordered one! Needed one to watch the game on Sunday at work...
Come on Vodafone, don't let me down!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:24:36 AM
That's why i ordered one! Needed one to watch the game on Sunday at work...
Come on Vodafone, don't let me down!

it won't get delivered until next week, they are having problems along with us (CPW)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:25:15 AM
mmmmmm, forward thinking
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:33:06 AM
That's why i ordered one! Needed one to watch the game on Sunday at work...
Come on Vodafone, don't let me down!

it won't get delivered until next week, they are having problems along with us (CPW)
Who are CPW?
ALso some people are getting emails saying it'll be there tomorrow.
Surely it should be first come first serve meaning mine comes?!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:34:50 AM
That's why i ordered one! Needed one to watch the game on Sunday at work...
Come on Vodafone, don't let me down!

it won't get delivered until next week, they are having problems along with us (CPW)
Who are CPW?
ALso some people are getting emails saying it'll be there tomorrow.
Surely it should be first come first serve meaning mine comes?!

Carphone Warehouse

Hmm, they might of ran out of stock already!  why didn't you go instore to do it?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:37:41 AM
I'd rather wait a week than be one of those sad acts that stands outside store for a mobile phone launch.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 24 June 2010, 11:44:00 AM
I'd rather wait a week than be one of those sad acts that stands outside store for a mobile phone launch.

vodafone, o2 and CPW are doing contracts from today in-store and we have not had any queues outside our stores! CPW will be selling vodafone iPhones from 2 today (delay from vodafone sending out micro simcard's arghhh, and we do vodafone upgrades as well)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Thursday 24 June 2010, 12:12:02 PM
oh, just had credit check confirmed from Vodafone.,
just need a delivery email!

crossing fingers!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 24 June 2010, 12:23:56 PM
I'd rather wait a week than be one of those sad acts that stands outside store for a mobile phone launch.

I queued up for the first iPhone launch in 2007... not sure I would do it now though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 24 June 2010, 12:29:34 PM
They were queueing down Briggate in Leeds this morning. :facepalm:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 01:43:33 PM
On twitter this morning if you looked at the #iPhone4 hash-tag there were loads of pictures of queuing, no thanks...
Another thing just seen this

Quote
Just off the phone to CS and they guy said that if i ordered at 7am then i should definetly have the phone tommorow.

He also said they wouldnt have taken the money from my account if my order hadnt been completed.

And that their systems are down just now and there is a massive backlog which could be preventing the emails and texts from being sent.
Sounds positive spooky
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 24 June 2010, 01:45:31 PM
Wonder why everyone's going so apeshit over this iPhone? Was nowhere near as crazy with the previous ones.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 01:50:17 PM
IT LOOKS DIFFERENT THEREFORE IT IS NEW AND REVOLUTIONARY.. would be my guess.

There is a 2hr reservation queue at Eldon right now.

Mine however, is sat in my house :-D
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 24 June 2010, 02:00:57 PM
I did the 3G opening day. It was horrible, there was a guy at the front being a cock and without being asked was 'showing everyone how to use it.'
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 02:01:46 PM
I really don't understand why. The 3G was available online, why would people do anything other than buy it that way?

Do people just love a good queue!?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 24 June 2010, 03:26:08 PM
God knows. No way on earth I'd queue up to buy a phone. Unless they were being sold by topless models, in which case I'd probably just queue and skip buying the phone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 24 June 2010, 05:44:57 PM
I had to go to North Shields today, and there was a big que infront the 02 shop. Anyway at dinner time I had nothing to do and went to have a look, people were still in a que outside and were locked out and they would only let someone in when they had sold someone an iPhone and they left the shop. At about 4pm when I went passed I went to have a look and they were sold out and all the dummies had ran out of battery.

T-mobile next door didn't even mention the iPhone let alone have a que or even have one in store as a demo.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 24 June 2010, 05:50:24 PM
I really don't understand why. The 3G was available online, why would people do anything other than buy it that way?

Do people just love a good queue!?
I didn't know it was online and I had Uni that morning so tbh it was nothing more than getting up an hour earlier than I had planned. It was nice too, there was a girl infront who's Mum had queued with her from 730, she had been telling all her mates; "Yeah I'll bring it to college, you can play on it." She got to the desk her Mum heard the prices and went; "I think we will wait."

Her face was priceless.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Thursday 24 June 2010, 06:14:22 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 06:26:36 PM
Will my current iPod dock work with the iPhone4? I know it'll be the same connection but will it fit in?
Also are there any cases available yet for them anywhere?
(Not the bumpers like you have Semtex something like this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/IPAD_CASE?mco=MTc0MjU1OTM) but for iPhone4)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Thursday 24 June 2010, 06:56:45 PM
Will my current iPod dock work with the iPhone4? I know it'll be the same connection but will it fit in?
Also are there any cases available yet for them anywhere?
(Not the bumpers like you have Semtex something like this (http://store.apple.com/us/product/IPAD_CASE?mco=MTc0MjU1OTM) but for iPhone4)
Yes i do believe it will although you will have to remove the cradle and buy a new pack, Online store £7
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 24 June 2010, 07:44:02 PM
3's tariffs has just blown every other network out of the water.

http://www.three.co.uk/Phones/iPhone



Btw is anyone having any signal problems when you touch the left hand side of the phone?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 07:46:24 PM
I think I'll go with the £15 rolling contract with Three, if it's s***, I'll just change again.

No such problems with the signal though thankfully. Mind, I've got a bumper on now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 24 June 2010, 07:47:56 PM
I think I'll go with the £15 rolling contract with Three, if it's s***, I'll just change again.

No such problems with the signal though thankfully. Mind, I've got a bumper on now.
You couldn't just take the bumper off and touch that side of the phone and see whats happens for us could you? Just to see if it's a limited batch of them.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 07:49:14 PM
I think I'll go with the £15 rolling contract with Three, if it's s***, I'll just change again.

No such problems with the signal though thankfully. Mind, I've got a bumper on now.
You couldn't just take the bumper off and touch that side of the phone and see whats happens for us could you? Just to see if it's a limited batch of them.

Ok. First I have to find a part of my house that gets decent signal in the first place. BRB!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:02:03 PM
Nowt conclusive. It seemed to do it once, but I get the feeling that was me being a hypochondriac. Certainly nothing as startling as in some of the youtube vids.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:06:05 PM
Heard it on the news about signal problems.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:07:21 PM
If its hardware, it's a big deal, if it's just software, meh.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:11:06 PM
I've got an iPhone and really enjoy using it but this frenzy over getting the new one today is somewhat embarassing.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:12:14 PM
Angry Birds is so fast. God damn, this is all I need.

I've got an iPhone and really enjoy using it but this frenzy over getting the new one today is somewhat embarassing.

Be more specific... I may be inclined to agree.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:18:27 PM
I'm still a little confused. What is really so radically different about the iPhone 4? I can't see what I'm missing out on by having the iPhone 3G.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:19:33 PM
Waiting in line for hours on end just to get one strikes me as strange. I get the impression it's the "I must have this cool item on day one" factor that's propelled today's frenzy as opposed to the actual product itself which doesn't seem earth shatteringly different to the current one. Each to their own I guess.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:19:59 PM
I'm still a little confused. What is really so radically different about the iPhone 4? I can't see what I'm missing out on by having the iPhone 3G.

It has a snazzy antenna around the edges. http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:30:45 PM
If its hardware, it's a big deal, if it's just software, meh.
Cheers for checking it out. I've heard of problems on the 3gs having poor signals which have the IOS4, so maybe it's that. No doubt Apple will solve these issues, I'm thankfull now that I won't be able to upgrade until August which should give them time to solve these problems.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:32:11 PM
I'm still a little confused. What is really so radically different about the iPhone 4? I can't see what I'm missing out on by having the iPhone 3G.

The processor is nearly 3 times faster, 8 times as much ram, significantly better camera, resolution three times that of the 3G. You don't need this is any way, but I rather like my tech, and it's so, so much faster than the 3G.

If I had the 3GS, it would have been a harder decision... but I didn't.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:39:40 PM
It seems silly to get a 3GS now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:49:07 PM
I'm still a little confused. What is really so radically different about the iPhone 4? I can't see what I'm missing out on by having the iPhone 3G.

It has a snazzy antenna around the edges. http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band

So Apple's solution seems to be: "buy our bumper cases to insulate the antenna [for an extra £20]!"... Nice.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 08:50:43 PM
I'm still a little confused. What is really so radically different about the iPhone 4? I can't see what I'm missing out on by having the iPhone 3G.

It has a snazzy antenna around the edges. http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band

So Apple's solution seems to be: "buy our bumper cases to insulate the antenna [for an extra £20]!"... Nice.

cynical
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 24 June 2010, 09:30:08 PM
apple have history with quality control on their products
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 24 June 2010, 09:53:45 PM
Apparently the bumpers don't even solve the issue fully. Truthfully though, WTF holds their phone like that anyway? Especially when making a call? Left handed people excluded obviously, but f*** lefties.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 10:01:57 PM
... apparently you're more likely to hold it like that if you're a righty...

sorry
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 10:04:20 PM
Hand covering bottom of 3g like that
(http://web12.twitpic.com/img/120309475-7560c7047fcbb4e2d2ce83e234e7126b.4c23c750-full.jpg)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 24 June 2010, 10:11:06 PM
... apparently you're more likely to hold it like that if you're a righty...

sorry

The only part of my hand that touches the bottom corner of a phone when I hold it is my palm -- so the palm of my right hand would touch the bottom right corner. My little finger would be about a centimeter away from the Volume Down button, my ring finger on the Volume Down button, middle finger and index finger in the top left corner,  thumb in the top right corner.

A lefty who holds it the same way would be f***ed.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 June 2010, 10:12:08 PM
... apparently you're more likely to hold it like that if you're a righty...

sorry

The only part of my hand that touches the bottom corner of a phone when I hold it is my palm -- so the palm of my right hand would touch the bottom right corner. My little finger would be about a centimeter away from the Volume Down button, my ring finger on the Volume Down button, middle finger and index finger in the top left corner,  thumb in the top right corner.

A lefty who holds it the same way would be f***ed.

I mean, apparently you're more likely 2 hold it with your left hand if you're right handed. Not about the manner, soz.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 24 June 2010, 10:24:20 PM
For the record, if you cover the camera up it doesn't do as intended, neither does the microphone or the screen.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 24 June 2010, 10:35:02 PM
I'm a lefty and I hold my phone to my left ear.

They better sort this problem out and I don't mean by offering you the chance to buy a bumper.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 25 June 2010, 11:09:14 AM
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-antenna-avoid-holding-it-in-this-way.ars
Quote
Earlier we reported on the widely experienced phenomenon of the iPhone 4 dropping 3G signal when gripped in the left hand. The problem is caused when the skin bridges the left and bottom antennas that also happen to be the device's stainless steel outer bezel. We asked Apple if it was aware of the issue, and on a lark copied CEO Steve Jobs since the flaw contradicted his statements about the "brilliant" antenna design during WWDC.

Jobs responded to our question this evening, in his usual terse manner. "All phones have sensitive areas," Jobs wrote. "Just avoid holding it in this way."

TUAW reader Craig Brockman was able to get a more detailed response, which Engadget reports is Apple's official statement on the issue: "Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone," Jobs wrote. "If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases."

:lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 25 June 2010, 11:54:06 AM
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/06/jobs-on-iphone-4-antenna-avoid-holding-it-in-this-way.ars
Quote
Earlier we reported on the widely experienced phenomenon of the iPhone 4 dropping 3G signal when gripped in the left hand. The problem is caused when the skin bridges the left and bottom antennas that also happen to be the device's stainless steel outer bezel. We asked Apple if it was aware of the issue, and on a lark copied CEO Steve Jobs since the flaw contradicted his statements about the "brilliant" antenna design during WWDC.

Jobs responded to our question this evening, in his usual terse manner. "All phones have sensitive areas," Jobs wrote. "Just avoid holding it in this way."

TUAW reader Craig Brockman was able to get a more detailed response, which Engadget reports is Apple's official statement on the issue: "Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone," Jobs wrote. "If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases."

:lol:

that is total bollocks, has anyone had a phone that dropped signal if it was just held in a certain way haha
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 25 June 2010, 12:05:45 PM
"Just avoid holding it in this way."

Cracking technical support for a piece of equipment that costs a f***ing fortune :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Friday 25 June 2010, 01:20:51 PM
Jesus wept.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 25 June 2010, 01:50:10 PM
So if lefties are more likely to short out the phone antenna does that mean righties might be shorting their wifi and bluetooth antennas on the other side when taking a call?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 25 June 2010, 01:59:25 PM
Apparently right handed people are more likely to hold their phone in their left-hand and vica versa.

Anyway, the answer is no, it doesn't happen with any other antenna, just the data/phonecalls.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:01:21 PM
At this very moment i am about to unwrap my new iPhone 4 16GB !!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:03:46 PM
Where'd you get it from?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:05:47 PM
At this very moment i am about to unwrap my new iPhone 4 16GB !!!!!!!

Don't wrap your hands around it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:08:20 PM
At this very moment i am about to unwrap my new iPhone 4 16GB !!!!!!!

Don't wrap your hands around it.

LOL, seriously who holds a phone like that though, not me thats for sure.....
Just picked it up from DHL as i missed the delivery yesterday, seemingly the stupid dog didn't answer the door even though i told him to, thats him not going to the hoppings tonight !
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:12:19 PM
Go on, bring your new iPhone to the hoppings. I dare you.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:14:07 PM
Go on, bring your new iPhone to the hoppings. I dare you.

Bring ? Do you live there ?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:14:24 PM
If you think queueing all day/night to get a phone is bad, have a look on ebay for some proper sad-acts: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/iPhone-4g-32GB-UK-Sim-Free-/320553108317?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item4aa274435d#ht_660wt_1103
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:15:34 PM
If you think queueing all day/night to get a phone is bad, have a look on ebay for some proper sad-acts: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/iPhone-4g-32GB-UK-Sim-Free-/320553108317?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MobilePhones_MobilePhones&hash=item4aa274435d#ht_660wt_1103

I saw a couple sell yesterday on 1 day auctions for £750, tempting to do tbh
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:16:56 PM
The post office have offered me £160 for my old 3G....cool
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:17:00 PM
Vodafone are s*** man, i know i knocked people for queuing as it is quite sad but still at least they got there's yesterday.
Mine was ordered at 6:05am and it doesn't look like it's coming and i ring and they say i'll probably be allotted from the next batch.
There was no order it seems as though they have literally took random people and processed their order...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:17:30 PM
Go on, bring your new iPhone to the hoppings. I dare you.

Bring ? Do you live there ?

I was ready to concede grammatical defeat but I'm unconvinced. Dave?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:18:44 PM
I was in the Apple store in town today buying some new cradles for my dock's and the fella said there was in excess of 300 people queueing from 6AM, passed through Morpeth yest and there was people at the O2 shop there too, wouldn't have queued tbh
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:19:04 PM
The post office have offered me £160 for my old 3G....cool

£184 @ envirofone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:19:32 PM
Go on, bring your new iPhone to the hoppings. I dare you.

Bring ? Do you live there ?

I was ready to concede grammatical defeat but I'm unconvinced. Dave?

:lol:

Suggests you are there now in some capacity. :dontknow:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:20:57 PM
The post office have offered me £160 for my old 3G....cool

£184 @ envirofone.
Is that for a 3GS ? just had a look they are offering £150.05
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:21:25 PM
What condition does your phone have to be in to get these figures from Envirophone and the like? £180 seems an awful lot for a second-hand mobile. If it's scratched etc do they give you less on a sliding scale?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:25:13 PM
Ive got a pay as you go sim in my package from O2, top up £10 a month and get 300 txt's and unlimited internet, what would stop me if i was to cut that baby down into a micro-sim and use it to rape the f*** out of their network when the mood took me ?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:26:25 PM
It was £184 for the 16gb 3G. It must have gone down. However when you put it through their website, you get that price for 30 days. I'm gonna send mine in soon. On the weekend I guess.

General wear and tear is expected, but mine is battered. We will see if they reduce the price. I've sent back damaged phones to them before and got full price, but no phones quite this expensive.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:37:28 PM
Its sooooo much faster then my 3G
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:48:36 PM
Show off  :no:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:50:11 PM
Show off  :no:
My mate just said he walked into the carphone ware house and they still had them on Vodaphone ?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:52:59 PM
I'm in Stoke man, where are you? If i was there i'd be in there.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:57:20 PM
I'm in Stoke man, where are you? If i was there i'd be in there.
Newcastle, oh well i'm sure you can get yourself a Oatcake..........
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 25 June 2010, 04:58:54 PM
Will make me feel better, with plenty of cheese and bacon i'm sure i'll be fine.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 25 June 2010, 05:08:11 PM
If not you can always try Stoke's other local delicacy, heroin.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 25 June 2010, 05:36:57 PM
It was £184 for the 16gb 3G. It must have gone down. However when you put it through their website, you get that price for 30 days. I'm gonna send mine in soon. On the weekend I guess.

General wear and tear is expected, but mine is battered. We will see if they reduce the price. I've sent back damaged phones to them before and got full price, but no phones quite this expensive.

they reduced mine for a little scratching on the screen by 20%, even tho it wasn't visible at all in daylight
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Friday 25 June 2010, 05:46:03 PM
If its hardware, it's a big deal, if it's just software, meh.
Cheers for checking it out. I've heard of problems on the 3gs having poor signals which have the IOS4, so maybe it's that. No doubt Apple will solve these issues, I'm thankfull now that I won't be able to upgrade until August which should give them time to solve these problems.

They've changed the way the phone selects a channel. On iOS4 it looks for the least busy channel with the least interference, not the one with the greatest signal strength. I can't say for sure, as I rarely actually make calls with it, but theoretically you should get better call quality but fewer signal bars.

Apparently, the antennae problem is due to a lack of coating on the metal frame. Should be fixed soon in newer phones.

As a particularly sweaty-palmed lefty, I'm glad I didn't get an iPhone 4. Honest I am  :tongue:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 25 June 2010, 05:46:21 PM
Do you get to reject their reduced price?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 25 June 2010, 05:48:12 PM
Do you get to reject their reduced price?

Yes, and they'll send it back for free.

O2 Recycle can reduce the price and then charge you £15 if you reject their price. This is why envirofone is my choice.

O2 Recycle isn't really anything to do with O2 I don't think, just another envirofone-esque effort under the O2 name.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Friday 25 June 2010, 09:30:14 PM
Vodafone are s*** man, i know i knocked people for queuing as it is quite sad but still at least they got there's yesterday.
Mine was ordered at 6:05am and it doesn't look like it's coming and i ring and they say i'll probably be allotted from the next batch.
There was no order it seems as though they have literally took random people and processed their order...
mine rocked up at 1pm today..I ordered it online from Vodafone at 7:30am.

its sooper fast :) and shiny :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Friday 25 June 2010, 09:31:11 PM
Do you get to reject their reduced price?

Yes, and they'll send it back for free.

O2 Recycle can reduce the price and then charge you £15 if you reject their price. This is why envirofone is my choice.

O2 Recycle isn't really anything to do with O2 I don't think, just another envirofone-esque effort under the O2 name.

carphone warehouse have offered me £183 for my 3g 8G which seems a bit mad!
will wait and see what the final amount is when I send it back
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 26 June 2010, 10:16:10 AM
So to those who have got an iPhone 4 on here (Semtex aside) do any of you have any problems with signal loss when you hold it with your left hand without a bumper on?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 26 June 2010, 10:29:24 AM
Further tests indicate that I can reduce the signal if I hold it down there, but I pretty much have to squeeze it and hold it for a minute before it drops. I did speed tests...

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7528/img0023n.png)(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/3448/img0024j.png)

To put a positive spin on it, I've improved upload speeds!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 26 June 2010, 10:34:17 AM
So in reality, there is no problem?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 26 June 2010, 10:36:04 AM
Well it's rather annoying how they've managed to miss this, but it has provided no actual issues, and I wouldn't have noticed it had it not been THRUSTED into the news.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: UpTheToon on Saturday 26 June 2010, 12:26:53 PM
After 3 days of system failures Tesco started selling the iPhone 4 over the phone today... and sold out in around 8 minutes.  Tits.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Saturday 26 June 2010, 01:50:57 PM
So to those who have got an iPhone 4 on here (Semtex aside) do any of you have any problems with signal loss when you hold it with your left hand without a bumper on?
Havent had one problem with it so far, people are to eager to find a fault imo
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Saturday 26 June 2010, 02:53:10 PM
How much faster does the new phone feel than the 3GS?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: khay on Saturday 26 June 2010, 05:35:32 PM
So to those who have got an iPhone 4 on here (Semtex aside) do any of you have any problems with signal loss when you hold it with your left hand without a bumper on?
Havent had one problem with it so far, people are to eager to find a fault imo

At the price can you blame them?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 26 June 2010, 07:37:58 PM
Presumably metal objects in your pockets could short the antenna as well and cause you to miss calls.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 26 June 2010, 07:42:58 PM
:lol:

Perhaps if you glued it to the phone. Then threw your phone off a bridge.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 26 June 2010, 11:23:35 PM
I've tested this signal thing yet againg with other iPhones today and again I cannot find this problem. This means one of 2 things.

1. This problem does not exist.

2. It's limited to only a select few phones.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Saturday 26 June 2010, 11:38:12 PM
I hate myself but, I want one.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Saturday 26 June 2010, 11:41:20 PM
I hate myself

Join the club.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:01:31 AM
So in reality, there is no problem?

In reality, it does reduce antennae performance, but that has been so greatly improved in the new phone (both OS and hardware), that you'll still get a better connection than with a 3GS.

It's probably been fixed in the phones currently being built or will be soon, though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:04:16 AM
I hate myself

Join the club.
Aye but with you it's not because all the older boys on here bully you.

I jest.

In all seriousness ,I really didn't want to get this, or want it for that matter, as I've been like this with most Apple stuff lately, and with the Beats headphones, but I just look at my blackberry like the middle aged wife I no longer love.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:04:19 AM
So in reality, there is no problem?

In reality, it does reduce antennae performance, but that has been so greatly improved in the new phone (both OS and hardware), that you'll still get a better connection than with a 3GS.

It's probably been fixed in the phones currently being built or will be soon, though.

Even if it's a genuine problem, all they'll do is release a firmware upgrade that isn't so responsive on the GUI signal indicator.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:08:07 AM
So in reality, there is no problem?

In reality, it does reduce antennae performance, but that has been so greatly improved in the new phone (both OS and hardware), that you'll still get a better connection than with a 3GS.

It's probably been fixed in the phones currently being built or will be soon, though.

Even if it's a genuine problem, all they'll do is release a firmware upgrade that isn't so responsive on the GUI signal indicator.

It's not just an issue with the GUI though... People in areas which already have generally low signal strength are experiencing call drop outs and the like as a result of the problem.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:13:44 AM
I hate myself

Join the club.
Aye but with you it's not because all the older boys on here bully you.

I jest.

In all seriousness ,I really didn't want to get this, or want it for that matter, as I've been like this with most Apple stuff lately, and with the Beats headphones, but I just look at my blackberry like the middle aged wife I no longer love.
Don't worry, if you report them the problem will go away for 7 days.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:15:50 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Heneage on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:21:28 AM
I hate myself

Join the club.
Aye but with you it's not because all the older boys on here bully you.

I jest.

In all seriousness ,I really didn't want to get this, or want it for that matter, as I've been like this with most Apple stuff lately, and with the Beats headphones, but I just look at my blackberry like the middle aged wife I no longer love.
Don't worry, if you report them the problem will go away for 7 days.
I might just watch the England match instead.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Sunday 27 June 2010, 12:26:15 AM
So in reality, there is no problem?

In reality, it does reduce antennae performance, but that has been so greatly improved in the new phone (both OS and hardware), that you'll still get a better connection than with a 3GS.

It's probably been fixed in the phones currently being built or will be soon, though.

Even if it's a genuine problem, all they'll do is release a firmware upgrade that isn't so responsive on the GUI signal indicator.

Doubt it. They'll make sure newly-produced handsets have the correct coating on the offending corner, and tell everyone else to hold the phone differently or buy a case.

I mean, it's not like they've fiddled the signal-strength bars already when iOS4 chooses the radio channel according to different criteria, so I don't see them fudging it now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 27 June 2010, 01:29:36 PM
Just been on the phone to O2, the bloke said that the unlimited data doesn't end till October 1st
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 27 June 2010, 01:33:37 PM
That is correct.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 27 June 2010, 01:35:20 PM
That is correct.
Crafty b******s
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Sunday 27 June 2010, 07:39:41 PM
What does the new OS do for an iphone 3GS? I downloaded it this morning but at the moment all i've noticed is the display has changed to incorporate my wallpaper.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Sunday 27 June 2010, 07:41:21 PM
What does the new OS do for an iphone 3GS? I downloaded it this morning but at the moment all i've noticed is the display has changed to incorporate my wallpaper.

Does everything apart from that video calling thing, I think.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Sunday 27 June 2010, 09:53:39 PM
What does the new OS do for an iphone 3GS? I downloaded it this morning but at the moment all i've noticed is the display has changed to incorporate my wallpaper.

iOS 4 Complete New Features List (Official Change Log)

    * Multitasking support for third-party apps*
          o Multitasking user interface to quickly move between apps
          o Support for audio apps to play in the background
          o VoIP apps can receive and maintain calls in the background or when device is asleep
          o Apps can monitor location and take action while running in the background
          o Alerts and messages can be pushed to apps using push and local notifications
          o Apps can complete tasks in the background
    * Folders to better organize and access apps
    * Home screen Wallpaper*
    * Mail improvements
          o Unified inbox to view emails from all accounts in one place
          o Fast inbox switching to quickly switch between different email accounts
          o Threaded messages to view multiple emails from the same conversation
          o Attachments can be opened with compatible third-party apps
          o Search results can now be filed or deleted
          o Option to select size of photo attachments
          o Messages in the Outbox can be edited or deleted
    * Support for iBooks and iBookstore (available from the App Store)
    * Photo and Camera improvements
          o 5x digital zoom when taking a photo**
          o Tap to focus during video recording**
          o Ability to sync Faces from iPhoto
          o Geo-tagged photos appear on a map in Photos
    * Ability to create and edit playlists on device
    * Calendar invitations can be sent and accepted wirelessly with supported CalDAV servers
    * Support for MobileMe calendar sharing
    * Suggestions and recent searches appear during a web search
    * Searchable SMS/MMS messages**
    * Spotlight search can be continued on web and Wikipedia
    * Enhanced location privacy
          o New Location Services icon in the status bar
          o Indication of which apps have requested your location in the last 24 hours
          o Location Services can be toggled on or off for individual apps
    * Automatic spellcheck
    * Support for Bluetooth keyboards*
    * iPod out to navigate music, podcasts and audiobooks through an iPod interface with compatible cars
    * Support for iTunes gifting of apps
    * Wireless notes syncing with IMAP-based mail accounts
    * Persistent WiFi connection to receive push notifications*
    * New setting for turning on/off cellular data only**
    * Option to display the character count while composing new SMS/MMS**
    * Visual Voicemail messages can be kept locally even if they have been deleted from the server**
    * Control to lock portrait orientation*
    * Audio playback controls for iPod and third-party audio apps*
    * New languages, dictionaries and keyboards
    * Accessibility enhancements*
    * Bluetooth improvements
    * Better data protection using the device passcode as an encryption key* (Requires full restore.)
    * Support for third-party Mobile Device Management solutions
    * Enables wireless distribution of enterprise applications
    * Exchange Server 2010 compatibility
    * Support for multiple Exchange ActiveSync accounts
    * Support for Juniper Junos Pulse and Cisco AnyConnect SSL VPN apps (available from the App Store)
    * More than 1,500 new developer APIs
    * Bug fixes
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Monday 28 June 2010, 05:30:50 PM
"Iphone 4 or 3gs cant decide!" what an idiot. No choice, surely?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 28 June 2010, 07:18:14 PM
Quite a lot of the new features available in 4.0 don't work on the 3G, not to mention it making the handset run incredibly slow, taking up to 5 seconds to register key strokes. Basically it's Apple's snide way of making the 3G obsolete.

Going to try and find out how to remove it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 28 June 2010, 07:49:38 PM
Quite a lot of the new features available in 4.0 don't work on the 3G, not to mention it making the handset run incredibly slow, taking up to 5 seconds to register key strokes. Basically it's Apple's snide way of making the 3G obsolete.

Going to try and find out how to remove it.

It's not very hard.

Although, I noticed little slowdown on my 3G. It was already slow enough.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 28 June 2010, 07:52:16 PM
Quite a lot of the new features available in 4.0 don't work on the 3G, not to mention it making the handset run incredibly slow, taking up to 5 seconds to register key strokes. Basically it's Apple's snide way of making the 3G obsolete.

Going to try and find out how to remove it.

It's not very hard.

Although, I noticed little slowdown on my 3G. It was already slow enough.

Shoot................. :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 28 June 2010, 08:01:32 PM
I don't wanna f*** up your iPhone, but to my knowledge you go in iTunes, click restore whilst holding down alt and it prompts you for an ipsw file. You use the 3.1.2. / 3.1.3. ipsw file that is lying around in your 'backups' folder, wherever thats hidden.

Who am I kidding... I'll find a tutorial.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 28 June 2010, 08:04:00 PM
http://lifehacker.com/5572003/how-to-downgrade-your-iphone-3g%5Bs%5D-from-ios-4-to-ios-313

Please read the warnings and s*** first.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 28 June 2010, 08:09:17 PM
http://lifehacker.com/5572003/how-to-downgrade-your-iphone-3g%5Bs%5D-from-ios-4-to-ios-313

Please read the warnings and s*** first.

Yeah that looks like something I don't trust myself to do. :lol:

Cheers anyway. :thup:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 28 June 2010, 09:14:52 PM
(http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/7704/iphone4i.jpg)

:laugh:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Monday 28 June 2010, 09:15:35 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 28 June 2010, 09:29:17 PM
they could have at least used the right iPhone in the photo.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 09:30:43 AM
Tempted to stick iOS4 on my already-jailbroken 3G, not sure if its going to upgrade me baseband and render it un-jailbreakable tho....hmm
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 04:52:58 PM
Tempted to stick iOS4 on my already-jailbroken 3G, not sure if its going to upgrade me baseband and render it un-jailbreakable tho....hmm

I believe the 3G is jailbreakable on iOS4, just not the 3GS or 4.

BTW: baseband has nothing to do with jailbreaking. That's the SIM unlock. Two different things.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 08:01:12 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 08:14:35 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

Probably the wrong place to ask tbh, forums.homosexuals.co.uk should be able to help you out. :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 08:16:26 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

Probably the wrong place to ask tbh, forums.homosexuals.co.uk should be able to help you out. :)
Ok cheers mate, see you there :-)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 08:24:24 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

Probably the wrong place to ask tbh, forums.homosexuals.co.uk should be able to help you out. :)
Ok cheers mate, see you there :-)

damn

PCW1983 1-0 SEMTEX
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: morgs on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 08:28:08 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

ebay has loads
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 09:32:44 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

Probably the wrong place to ask tbh, forums.homosexuals.co.uk should be able to help you out. :)
Ok cheers mate, see you there :-)

damn

PCW1983 1-0 SEMTEX
I think if you remember back to your grammar mistakes its actually 2-0 ;-)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 09:36:19 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

Probably the wrong place to ask tbh, forums.homosexuals.co.uk should be able to help you out. :)
Ok cheers mate, see you there :-)

damn

PCW1983 1-0 SEMTEX
I think if you remember back to your grammar mistakes its actually 2-0 ;-)

2-1
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 09:46:06 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

Probably the wrong place to ask tbh, forums.homosexuals.co.uk should be able to help you out. :)
Ok cheers mate, see you there :-)

damn

PCW1983 1-0 SEMTEX
I think if you remember back to your grammar mistakes its actually 2-0 ;-)

My grammar 'mistake' was not actually a mistake though, it was just your interpretation of the word 'bring'. Your interpretation of the word is not the same as the dictionary definition of the word I'm afraid. So if anything, I won that one, but I wasn't going to be so petty.

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 09:51:36 PM
"Take" would be preferred to "bring", unless you're going to be at the location to receive.  :crazy2:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 09:55:27 PM
"Take" would be preferred to "bring", unless you're going to be at the location to receive.  :crazy2:

I'm sure I looked this up the last time and could find no requirement that it was towards the speaker, but I cannot find such assurances now. Hmph. I need a get out clause somehow.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 09:58:25 PM
Bring things here, take things there.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 10:43:09 PM
Has anyone found any decent leather wallet style covers, meaning the type that the phone slides in and out of.

There are some really cool ones with this strap that goes under the phone within the case and the end hangs out the side of the case, so you just pull on the tab to "eject" the phone from the case. For the life of me, I can't remember the brand. Sorry :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: spooky on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 10:53:31 PM
i had one of them types for my 3g, but after the 2nd time I dropped the phone while trying to get it in and out of the case I went for a griffin surround case..much happier for me..and the phone :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 29 June 2010, 11:11:41 PM
i had one of them types for my 3g, but after the 2nd time I dropped the phone while trying to get it in and out of the case I went for a griffin surround case..much happier for me..and the phone :)

Aye. I don't use one either. Just keep my iPhone in one of those always-attached, back-and-corners cases. Don't see the point in a case to take the phone out of: it lives alone in my trouser pocket, and I've only ever dropped one when it's been in my hand...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 09:46:26 AM
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/deals/cheap-iphone#tool
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 05:57:06 PM
http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html

So funny
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 05:59:05 PM
you're not welcome in these parts
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 06:06:20 PM
http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html

So funny

Quite funny.

"It f***ing prints money."
"I don't care."
"It can grant up to three wishes, even if one of those wishes is for an iPhone."
"I don't care."

He's right, though. I don't care. I want iPhone 4.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 06:07:26 PM
I weep for you
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 06:51:11 PM
So do I. I only have a 3GS :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 09:36:50 PM
LoL Adam that's so true :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 10:20:20 PM
LoL Adam that's so true :lol:

You do realise that the battery of this "iPhone beater" lasts barely 4 hours under normal usage, and can even go flat lying unused overnight?

I like shiny Apple stuff. So what?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 10:25:03 PM
But it's fine, cos you can replace it every four hours!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 10:39:19 PM
http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html

So funny

brilliant  :mackems: :mackems: :mackems:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 10:49:23 PM
But it's fine, cos you can replace it every four hours!

Good point. I'm sure the industrial-strength Android OS supports hot-swap batteries and failover to the nearest landline.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 11:07:29 PM
Shouldn't the iphone be called something else as you can't actually call people ?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 11:45:27 PM
You mean like "theyPhone"?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 30 June 2010, 11:51:05 PM
http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html

So funny

:lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: n4e on Thursday 1 July 2010, 01:15:24 AM
Is it worth getting the update for the touch?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Thursday 1 July 2010, 09:08:27 AM
Eeeeeh I've only just found out about you can lock the screen to stay in portrait mode.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 2 July 2010, 03:53:00 PM
They're releasing an update so your signal indicator tells you that there's 100% signal no matter what.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 2 July 2010, 04:01:07 PM
That's s*** :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 2 July 2010, 04:07:17 PM
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html
Quote
July 2, 2010
Letter from Apple Regarding iPhone 4

Dear iPhone 4 Users,

The iPhone 4 has been the most successful product launch in Apple’s history. It has been judged by reviewers around the world to be the best smartphone ever, and users have told us that they love it. So we were surprised when we read reports of reception problems, and we immediately began investigating them. Here is what we have learned.

To start with, gripping almost any mobile phone in certain ways will reduce its reception by 1 or more bars. This is true of iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, as well as many Droid, Nokia and RIM phones. But some users have reported that iPhone 4 can drop 4 or 5 bars when tightly held in a way which covers the black strip in the lower left corner of the metal band. This is a far bigger drop than normal, and as a result some have accused the iPhone 4 of having a faulty antenna design.

At the same time, we continue to read articles and receive hundreds of emails from users saying that iPhone 4 reception is better than the iPhone 3GS. They are delighted. This matches our own experience and testing. What can explain all of this?

We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising.

Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars. Users observing a drop of several bars when they grip their iPhone in a certain way are most likely in an area with very weak signal strength, but they don’t know it because we are erroneously displaying 4 or 5 bars. Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place.

To fix this, we are adopting AT&T’s recently recommended formula for calculating how many bars to display for a given signal strength. The real signal strength remains the same, but the iPhone’s bars will report it far more accurately, providing users a much better indication of the reception they will get in a given area. We are also making bars 1, 2 and 3 a bit taller so they will be easier to see.

We will issue a free software update within a few weeks that incorporates the corrected formula. Since this mistake has been present since the original iPhone, this software update will also be available for the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3G.

We have gone back to our labs and retested everything, and the results are the same— the iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. For the vast majority of users who have not been troubled by this issue, this software update will only make your bars more accurate. For those who have had concerns, we apologize for any anxiety we may have caused.

As a reminder, if you are not fully satisfied, you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund.

We hope you love the iPhone 4 as much as we do.

Thank you for your patience and support.

Apple
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Friday 2 July 2010, 05:45:49 PM
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html
Quote
July 2, 2010
Letter from Apple Regarding iPhone 4

Dear iPhone 4 Users,

The iPhone 4 has been the most successful product launch in Apple’s history. It has been judged by reviewers around the world to be the best smartphone ever, and users have told us that they love it. So we were surprised when we read reports of reception problems, and we immediately began investigating them. Here is what we have learned.

To start with, gripping almost any mobile phone in certain ways will reduce its reception by 1 or more bars. This is true of iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, as well as many Droid, Nokia and RIM phones. But some users have reported that iPhone 4 can drop 4 or 5 bars when tightly held in a way which covers the black strip in the lower left corner of the metal band. This is a far bigger drop than normal, and as a result some have accused the iPhone 4 of having a faulty antenna design.

At the same time, we continue to read articles and receive hundreds of emails from users saying that iPhone 4 reception is better than the iPhone 3GS. They are delighted. This matches our own experience and testing. What can explain all of this?

We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising.

Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars. Users observing a drop of several bars when they grip their iPhone in a certain way are most likely in an area with very weak signal strength, but they don’t know it because we are erroneously displaying 4 or 5 bars. Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place.

To fix this, we are adopting AT&T’s recently recommended formula for calculating how many bars to display for a given signal strength. The real signal strength remains the same, but the iPhone’s bars will report it far more accurately, providing users a much better indication of the reception they will get in a given area. We are also making bars 1, 2 and 3 a bit taller so they will be easier to see.

We will issue a free software update within a few weeks that incorporates the corrected formula. Since this mistake has been present since the original iPhone, this software update will also be available for the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3G.

We have gone back to our labs and retested everything, and the results are the same— the iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. For the vast majority of users who have not been troubled by this issue, this software update will only make your bars more accurate. For those who have had concerns, we apologize for any anxiety we may have caused.

As a reminder, if you are not fully satisfied, you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund.

We hope you love the iPhone 4 as much as we do.

Thank you for your patience and support.

Apple

So basically they're going to release a patch to 'hide' the drop in the signal which they are pretending doesn't exist. Genius.  :pow:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 2 July 2010, 05:46:40 PM
So in reality, there is no problem?

In reality, it does reduce antennae performance, but that has been so greatly improved in the new phone (both OS and hardware), that you'll still get a better connection than with a 3GS.

It's probably been fixed in the phones currently being built or will be soon, though.

Even if it's a genuine problem, all they'll do is release a firmware upgrade that isn't so responsive on the GUI signal indicator.

:snod:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 2 July 2010, 06:24:51 PM
(http://9gag.com/photo/28102_540.jpg)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Slugsy on Friday 2 July 2010, 10:07:26 PM
My reception on my iphone has been sh*t since I got it (3GS), same network as I had with my blackberry (vodafone) and its been downright awful!  Done all the checks, had two new SIM cards, refreshed network settings etc - bottom line, I get a crap reception with my iphone compared to my blackberry!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Clay on Friday 2 July 2010, 10:53:24 PM
The new ibooks app is class :) Finally a good way to read PDF files on my Touch.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 3 July 2010, 12:56:20 AM
My reception on my iphone has been sh*t since I got it (3GS), same network as I had with my blackberry (vodafone) and its been downright awful!  Done all the checks, had two new SIM cards, refreshed network settings etc - bottom line, I get a crap reception with my iphone compared to my blackberry!

what blackberry is it?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Slugsy on Saturday 3 July 2010, 10:03:42 AM
My reception on my iphone has been sh*t since I got it (3GS), same network as I had with my blackberry (vodafone) and its been downright awful!  Done all the checks, had two new SIM cards, refreshed network settings etc - bottom line, I get a crap reception with my iphone compared to my blackberry!

what blackberry is it?

It was a 8900
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 3 July 2010, 03:47:34 PM
Quite a lot of the new features available in 4.0 don't work on the 3G, not to mention it making the handset run incredibly slow, taking up to 5 seconds to register key strokes. Basically it's Apple's snide way of making the 3G obsolete.

Going to try and find out how to remove it.

It's not very hard.

Although, I noticed little slowdown on my 3G. It was already slow enough.

Reading around on this this morning & some American guy had spoken to Apple about this, and they told him the only solution involved them (Apple) rolling back the handset for him to remove OS4.0 and replacing it with 3.1.3.  This procedure would cost him $200. :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 3 July 2010, 04:10:30 PM
I think that's the standard fee for replacing a phone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 3 July 2010, 04:43:51 PM
I think that's the standard fee for replacing a phone.

They weren't going to replace it.  The same one would be coming back. :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 3 July 2010, 04:44:45 PM
... Poor. He might as well have thrown it off the floor and got it replaced.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Sunday 4 July 2010, 11:31:25 AM
So in reality, there is no problem?

In reality, it does reduce antennae performance, but that has been so greatly improved in the new phone (both OS and hardware), that you'll still get a better connection than with a 3GS.

It's probably been fixed in the phones currently being built or will be soon, though.

Even if it's a genuine problem, all they'll do is release a firmware upgrade that isn't so responsive on the GUI signal indicator.

:snod:

:(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Clay on Sunday 4 July 2010, 12:11:11 PM
Since updating my Touch through Itunes to the new firmware it's been hanging quite a lot and seems slow as f***, also the connection bar which is normally 3 bars solid all around the house has been dropping to just one in the same room as my router  :dave:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 5 July 2010, 06:40:41 PM
What's the availability like at the minute? Orange have f***ed me around massively for the last month, but they've kindly offered to cancel my contract for free and pay me £250 for the hassle. So, I'm on the lookout for a new phone by Wednesday.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 5 July 2010, 07:03:27 PM
What's the availability like at the minute? Orange have f***ed me around massively for the last month, but they've kindly offered to cancel my contract for free and pay me £250 for the hassle. So, I'm on the lookout for a new phone by Wednesday.

Nee chance.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 5 July 2010, 07:04:54 PM
What's the availability like at the minute? Orange have f***ed me around massively for the last month, but they've kindly offered to cancel my contract for free and pay me £250 for the hassle. So, I'm on the lookout for a new phone by Wednesday.

Nee chance.

Fo' real? When are we talking then?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Beren on Monday 5 July 2010, 07:05:35 PM
Question for anyone who can answer it:

The iPhone has some kind of motion detector which allows it to play games like FallDown, where when you physically tilt the phone, the ball in the game rolls down in accordance with the phone's tilt (annoying example video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zevJv4aT6ck&feature=related). My questions:

1. What is that specific technology called?

2. Does any other phone but the iPhone have that for games etc? Like a HTC for example?


Thanks in advance :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 5 July 2010, 07:08:28 PM
1. gyroscope or accelerometer or something
2. yeah, dunno specific models though
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 5 July 2010, 07:51:24 PM
:lol: o2 stock locator makes for depressing reading! Are these things popular, or something?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Monday 5 July 2010, 07:52:00 PM
2. Does any other phone but the iPhone have that for games etc? Like a HTC for example?

Click me. (http://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sName=&idMaker=0&idAvailability=0&nPriceLow=0&nPriceHigh=0&idCurrency=0&idFormFactor=0&idDualSIM=0&idQwerty=0&HeightMax=0&WidthMax=0&ThicknessMax=0&WeightMax=0&idOS=0&idDisplay=0&idDisplayRes=0&fDisplaySize=0&idDisplayTech=0&idTouchscreen=0&idAccelerometer=1&id35mm=0&idCamera=0&idCameraFlash=0&idVideoRecorder=0&idExpansionCard=0&idGPS=0&bWLAN=0&bEDGE=0&bGPRS=0&idBluetooth=0&bIR=0&bEmail=0&bWAP=0&bJava=0&idRadio=0&bMMS=0&idRingtones=0&sColor=&StandBy=0&TalkTime=0&sFreeText=)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 5 July 2010, 07:56:38 PM
:lol: o2 stock locator makes for depressing reading! Are these things popular, or something?

UpTheToon has been trying to get one since release day with no success.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 5 July 2010, 08:02:00 PM
Hmm, good job I didn't commit to ending my contract today then. I'll just keep this contract going until I get my cash from Orange.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 5 July 2010, 08:12:55 PM
I guess the Irish aren't too keen on it, like. Loads of stock over there.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 5 July 2010, 09:58:49 PM
02 in North Shields had some in today.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 5 July 2010, 10:03:00 PM
Why didn't you get me one then? f***ing inconsiderate that, like.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 5 July 2010, 10:06:45 PM
Why didn't you get me one then? f***ing inconsiderate that, like.
Well while I was there I had just had enough money for one and I thought I'm going to get one for Inochi, then I was saw McDonalds over the road and though f*** Inochi, I'm getting a Cheeseburger.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 5 July 2010, 11:17:55 PM
Why didn't you get me one then? f***ing inconsiderate that, like.
Well while I was there I had just had enough money for one and I thought I'm going to get one for Inochi, then I was saw McDonalds over the road and though f*** Inochi, Im getting a Cheeseburger.

:lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 12:27:26 AM
2. Does any other phone but the iPhone have that for games etc? Like a HTC for example?

The HTC Desire does have that technology - quite a few other phones as well
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:22:47 PM
Phones 4 U have stock available. I'm picking up my 32GB on Vodafone today, when I get away from the office. Happy, happy, happy.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:36:55 PM
Phones 4 U have stock available. I'm picking up my 32GB on Vodafone today, when I get away from the office. Happy, happy, happy.
Thats nice of you to post that online for everyone to see before you get your later today.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:38:13 PM
Phones 4 U have stock available. I'm picking up my 32GB on Vodafone today, when I get away from the office. Happy, happy, happy.
Thats nice of you to post that online for everyone to see before you get your later today.

Oh Stifler, you big ol' buffoon. I've reserved mine, you silly sausage.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:41:13 PM
Carphone warehouse have 32GB available online
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:41:40 PM
:lol: Service Unavailable - DNS failure
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Happy Face on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:42:19 PM
Question for anyone who can answer it:

The iPhone has some kind of motion detector which allows it to play games like FallDown, where when you physically tilt the phone, the ball in the game rolls down in accordance with the phone's tilt (annoying example video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zevJv4aT6ck&feature=related). My questions:

1. What is that specific technology called?

2. Does any other phone but the iPhone have that for games etc? Like a HTC for example?


Thanks in advance :)

Incredible to me that people are basing their choice of phone on whether or not they can play marble madness on them  30 years after it came out.

 :laugh:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:43:58 PM
Man, my first iTouch had that game with like a wooden board with a ball bearing and about 10 levels and i was addicted, amazing game.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:45:30 PM
Phones 4 U have stock available. I'm picking up my 32GB on Vodafone today, when I get away from the office. Happy, happy, happy.
Thats nice of you to post that online for everyone to see before you get your later today.

Oh Stifler, you big ol' buffoon. I've reserved mine, you silly sausage.
And you didn't get me one  :angry:

Anyway be carefull, those f***ers at Phones4u are sneaky little b******s.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:48:34 PM
:lol: Service Unavailable - DNS failure

ahh, it goes down once a week (due to the little amount of money we spend on keeping it up)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:51:45 PM
Phones 4 U have stock available. I'm picking up my 32GB on Vodafone today, when I get away from the office. Happy, happy, happy.
Thats nice of you to post that online for everyone to see before you get your later today.

Oh Stifler, you big ol' buffoon. I've reserved mine, you silly sausage.
And you didn't get me one  :angry:

Anyway be carefull, those f***ers at Phones4u are sneaky little b******s.

They are indeed. I'd read up on people ordering them online then getting an email saying they'd be notified when they were back in stock. I figure the same couldn't really be true of a guy in the shop saying they had them in stock. If it is, and they've lied to me. I'll just torch the place.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:55:30 PM
Also, anyone had any negative experiences with Vodafone? I chose the 32GB because they only had the 16GB in stock on Orange, and I've just left those c***s.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:56:11 PM
neesy man, get that website fixed, lazy t***.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 01:59:13 PM
neesy man, get that website fixed, lazy t***.

it works for me, but I'm inside our office!

it's IBM's fault as usual, f***ing clowns
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 02:05:39 PM
neesy man, get that website fixed, lazy t***.

it works for me, but I'm inside our office!

it's IBM's fault as usual, f***ing clowns

*Eh-hem*

Watch your mouth, boy.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 02:37:06 PM
neesy man, get that website fixed, lazy t***.

it works for me, but I'm inside our office!

it's IBM's fault as usual, f***ing clowns

*Eh-hem*

Watch your mouth, boy.

you work for IBM you  :duff:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 03:07:56 PM
:lol: Wowzer.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 07:48:11 PM
Yay. :smug:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 07:49:03 PM
The screen is reet pretty innit
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 07:50:22 PM
My involuntary bonk-on confirms this.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 08:06:53 PM
Also, anyone had any negative experiences with Vodafone? I chose the 32GB because they only had the 16GB in stock on Orange, and I've just left those c***s.

The data seems less reliable than T-Mobile was, for me.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 08:45:20 PM
Cool, I've just found out my contract runs out on 22nd August, so might get one of these soon.

Do these internet limits that people were on about apply then?  And would they not / would I get a cheaper deal just getting the iPhone 3GS?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 08:51:07 PM
Cool, I've just found out my contract runs out on 22nd August, so might get one of these soon.

Do these internet limits that people were on about apply then?  And would they not / would I get a cheaper deal just getting the iPhone 3GS?

Data limits would be same on 3GS, deal would be cheaper though (in that the original outlay on the phone would be cheaper).

You'd also regret it as soon as some chump with their shiny new iPhone 4 rubs it's INSANE pixel density in your face.

FWIW, the data cap thing has been made too much of. 1GB with Voda (and some other carriers) will be more than enough for 99% of users.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 08:54:57 PM
Cool, I've just found out my contract runs out on 22nd August, so might get one of these soon.

Do these internet limits that people were on about apply then?  And would they not / would I get a cheaper deal just getting the iPhone 3GS?

Data limits would be same on 3GS, deal would be cheaper though (in that the original outlay on the phone would be cheaper).

You'd also regret it as soon as some chump with their shiny new iPhone 4 rubs it's INSANE pixel density in your face.

FWIW, the data cap thing has been made too much of. 1GB with Voda (and some other carriers) will be more than enough for 99% of users.

I'm looking at the deals on O2's website for the 3GS.  They're absolutely f***ing s***. :lol:  Gotta say, even worse than I thought.

I'm sure you'll tell me I need to switch from O2, but I've been with them a number of years with few issues.  Is there much difference between the networks price-wise atm?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 08:57:04 PM
Cool, I've just found out my contract runs out on 22nd August, so might get one of these soon.

Do these internet limits that people were on about apply then?  And would they not / would I get a cheaper deal just getting the iPhone 3GS?

Data limits would be same on 3GS, deal would be cheaper though (in that the original outlay on the phone would be cheaper).

You'd also regret it as soon as some chump with their shiny new iPhone 4 rubs it's INSANE pixel density in your face.

FWIW, the data cap thing has been made too much of. 1GB with Voda (and some other carriers) will be more than enough for 99% of users.

I'm looking at the deals on O2's website for the 3GS.  They're absolutely f***ing s***. :lol:  Gotta say, even worse than I thought.

I'm sure you'll tell me I need to switch from O2, but I've been with them a number of years with few issues.  Is there much difference between the networks price-wise atm?

If you're in love with the O2 network, get it from Tesco when they're in stock, they use the O2 network and offer better and shorter contracts.

General rule = Tesco/Three cheap, Voda/Orange/O2 same price but data is 1gb/750mb/500mb respectively. I think.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 09:06:21 PM
Cool, I've just found out my contract runs out on 22nd August, so might get one of these soon.

Do these internet limits that people were on about apply then?  And would they not / would I get a cheaper deal just getting the iPhone 3GS?

Data limits would be same on 3GS, deal would be cheaper though (in that the original outlay on the phone would be cheaper).

You'd also regret it as soon as some chump with their shiny new iPhone 4 rubs it's INSANE pixel density in your face.

FWIW, the data cap thing has been made too much of. 1GB with Voda (and some other carriers) will be more than enough for 99% of users.

I'm looking at the deals on O2's website for the 3GS.  They're absolutely f***ing s***. :lol:  Gotta say, even worse than I thought.

I'm sure you'll tell me I need to switch from O2, but I've been with them a number of years with few issues.  Is there much difference between the networks price-wise atm?

If you're in love with the O2 network, get it from Tesco when they're in stock, they use the O2 network and offer better and shorter contracts.

General rule = Tesco/Three cheap, Voda/Orange/O2 same price but data is 1gb/750mb/500mb respectively. I think.

Looks like you get more for your money with Vodafone in general actually, might switch.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 09:41:53 PM
Vodafone definitely had the largest data allowance at 1GB, but Orange offer a 750mb 'fair usage' (go slightly over and it ain't no thing) policy on their £40+ contracts.  I ended up sticking with Orange after they waved a little bit more cash in my face to stay, which allowed me to get the phone itself for not a lot at all.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 09:43:46 PM
Vodafone definitely had the largest data allowance at 1GB, but Orange offer a 750mb 'fair usage' (go slightly over and it ain't no thing) policy on their £40+ contracts.  I ended up sticking with Orange after they waved a little bit more cash in my face to stay, which allowed me to get the phone itself for not a lot at all.
What sort of offer did you get from them?, and how?

I'm with Orange and will be upgrading early next month and anything to get more out of them would be a help.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 09:46:59 PM
Vodafone definitely had the largest data allowance at 1GB, but Orange offer a 750mb 'fair usage' (go slightly over and it ain't no thing) policy on their £40+ contracts.  I ended up sticking with Orange after they waved a little bit more cash in my face to stay, which allowed me to get the phone itself for not a lot at all.
What sort of offer did you get from them?, and how?

I'm with Orange and will be upgrading early next month and anything to get more out of them would be a help.

All told, I got upwards of £250 (£90 of which was owed to me anyway) cash from them for messing my contract up a few months ago. Unless they've messed you about, there'll be no flexibility when it comes to the iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 09:50:06 PM
Vodafone definitely had the largest data allowance at 1GB, but Orange offer a 750mb 'fair usage' (go slightly over and it ain't no thing) policy on their £40+ contracts.  I ended up sticking with Orange after they waved a little bit more cash in my face to stay, which allowed me to get the phone itself for not a lot at all.
What sort of offer did you get from them?, and how?

I'm with Orange and will be upgrading early next month and anything to get more out of them would be a help.

All told, I got upwards of £250 (£90 of which was owed to me anyway) cash from them for messing my contract up a few months ago. Unless they've messed you about, there'll be no flexibility when it comes to the iPhone.
I thought that would be the case.
I'm still pondering whether or not to just go to just wait out my contract and go with 3.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 10:03:14 AM
So, what apps should I be getting then? Any absolute must-haves?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 10:30:14 AM
So, what apps should I be getting then? Any absolute must-haves?
SSN live Scorecentre, and it's free.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 10:32:36 AM
Not an app, but try out sexy old iphone.tvcatchup.com

Also, Angry Birds. Always.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 10:37:27 AM
So, what apps should I be getting then? Any absolute must-haves?
SSN live Scorecentre, and it's free.

I use the LiveScore app, bit quicker.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 11:08:37 AM
So, what apps should I be getting then? Any absolute must-haves?

iBooks is good if you read.

Facebook/twitter/skype if you use them.



Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 11:30:09 AM
Not an app, but try out sexy old iphone.tvcatchup.com

Also, Angry Birds. Always.

Seconded. Angry Birds rocks.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 11:50:06 AM
The main reason I check the app store these days is to see if there's an update for Angry Birds for some new levels!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 01:01:35 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/best-buy-trying-to-fire-employee-over-iphone4-vs.--htc-evo-video-on-youtube

Quote
A Best Buy employee has been suspended and may be fired after he created a satirical video and posted it on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/v/FL7yD-0pqZg

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 01:02:28 PM
:lol:

Yeah, I got Angry Birds last night on the recommendation of a mate.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Wednesday 7 July 2010, 01:50:42 PM
http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/local_news/best-buy-trying-to-fire-employee-over-iphone4-vs.--htc-evo-video-on-youtube

Quote
A Best Buy employee has been suspended and may be fired after he created a satirical video and posted it on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/v/FL7yD-0pqZg



You cant fire them when they make something that is true.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 8 July 2010, 09:35:44 AM
For those interested, Carphone Warehouse should have stock of 16GB version tomorrow online!  but we have stock of 32GB available now online!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: TheGreatNUFCSwindle on Monday 12 July 2010, 02:19:40 AM
Anyone tried Samsung Galaxy S ? Any views?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 12 July 2010, 08:59:08 AM
Android thread MAN
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 12 July 2010, 09:58:12 AM
Anyone tried Samsung Galaxy S ? Any views?

very good, one of the best android phones out
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Allmo on Monday 12 July 2010, 11:23:58 AM
When my current iPhone contract runs out going to get a Blackberry instead of upgrading to the iPhone 4/5 (runs out next june). Its a brilliant phone but literally 90% of my mates have blackberries and the bbm feature means i will have the best use of it. The iPhone is a brilliant phone, just wish more of my pals would go for it instead of blackberries.

Also getting my 4th 3GS within a year tomorrow, I've got my worth out of insurance, so happy I went for it being as clumsy as I am. 
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Beren on Monday 12 July 2010, 12:21:36 PM
When my current iPhone contract runs out going to get a Blackberry instead of upgrading to the iPhone 4/5 (runs out next june). Its a brilliant phone but literally 90% of my mates have blackberries and the bbm feature means i will have the best use of it. The iPhone is a brilliant phone, just wish more of my pals would go for it instead of blackberries.

Also getting my 4th 3GS within a year tomorrow, I've got my worth out of insurance, so happy I went for it being as clumsy as I am. 

I don't advocate the throwing away of money, but if you like the Iphone so much, just tell your Blackberry friends to get WhatsApp - it's essentially BBM across BBs and Iphones.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Monday 12 July 2010, 12:53:12 PM
Looking to get a macbook, have and 800 - 900 budget, with student discount. Is the basic 13" macbook essentially worth that money?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:05:14 PM
You can get the smallest Pro for that with Student discount, i got the same one last year and it's been beautiful. I love it, perfect laptop, usually by now a PC would be lagging but this thing is like new, you won't regret it at all.

Runs everything i like to no problem, FM, Photoshop, Parallel systems. It's brilliant.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:05:35 PM
and this time of year you get a free iPod!!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Dave on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:07:20 PM
Why would a PC be lagging?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:11:52 PM
Looking to get a macbook, have and 800 - 900 budget, with student discount. Is the basic 13" macbook essentially worth that money?

Mine is over 4 years old and I still love it, I'd say definitely.

It has had upgraded RAM, bigger hard drive and OS upgrade in that time though.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:11:59 PM
I've had a lot of laptops and within a year for me they just get a bit shitty and don't perform anywhere near as well as they did when you got them.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:12:42 PM
I've had a lot of laptops and within a year for me they just get a bit shitty and don't perform anywhere near as well as they did when you got them.

Including Macs?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:15:17 PM
No certainly not, my mac is fine had it a year now and no performance issues
I love it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Dave on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:16:14 PM
I've had a lot of laptops and within a year for me they just get a bit shitty and don't perform anywhere near as well as they did when you got them.

Sounds like you're s*** at computing, tbh.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:18:53 PM
Nah, i'm a rate nerd. I know my computing s***.
(http://www.motorwrists.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/the_it_crowd_moss1.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Monday 12 July 2010, 01:30:03 PM
After a bit search, you can apparently get apple care for around 40 quid as well, and 4GB RAM is only around 80 extra, maybe less if thats discounted. I'm sold, going to go for it in the next few days. Can't actually wait.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Monday 12 July 2010, 02:32:26 PM
After a bit search, you can apparently get apple care for around 40 quid as well, and 4GB RAM is only around 80 extra, maybe less if thats discounted. I'm sold, going to go for it in the next few days. Can't actually wait.

Excellent decision sir.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Monday 12 July 2010, 04:18:49 PM
I've had a lot of laptops and within a year for me they just get a bit shitty and don't perform anywhere near as well as they did when you got them.

Sounds like you're s*** at computing, tbh.

It's perfectly true though that a Mac takes considerably less effort to keep in its original operating condition, since it doesn't clutter up like the Windows registry whenever you install/run a new program.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: khay on Monday 12 July 2010, 04:36:54 PM
I've had a lot of laptops and within a year for me they just get a bit shitty and don't perform anywhere near as well as they did when you got them.

Sounds like you're s*** at computing, tbh.

It's perfectly true though that a Mac takes considerably less effort to keep in its original operating condition, since it doesn't clutter up like the Windows registry whenever you install/run a new program.

I've never owned a MAC but a PC does get slower in about a years time and could be doing with a re-image.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 04:09:01 AM
Quite interesting reading and viewing for you trendy iphone 4 folk !

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/12/consumer-reports-confirms-iphone-4-antenna-problems-and-so-do/
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 09:19:54 AM
:lol:

Why have you got such a chip on your shoulder?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 11:11:48 AM
:lol:

Why have you got such a chip on your shoulder?
Because he's a massive fanboy.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 03:34:26 PM
Na, it's mainly because if this was a Microsoft phone that you couldn't call people on due to the crap design of it, people would murder them. But because its apple, hey it doesn't matter, as Steve Jobs said so.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 03:39:56 PM
The Kin is widely regarded as an absolute sack of s***.

I have not once heard anyone around here 'murdering' it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 03:45:55 PM
I doubt many people have even heard of the Kin tbh. Anyway I thought the point of a forum was to discuss things ? Or am I noly allowed to post pro apple items in this thread?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 03:48:39 PM
You don't discuss things though, you just come in to chat s***. You've made a single balanced post in the entire time you've been on here.

It's time to move on and concentrate your efforts on comments sections of gadget websites rather than spreading your monotonous anti-apple patter here.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 03:57:29 PM
I'm thinking of getting one of these when my contract runs out next month.  I've no idea which is the right phone for me though. Any ideas?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 03:58:55 PM
Get a Microsoft Kin, it's the best phone in the whole f***ing universe.
Even better than alien s*** we've never even imagined yet.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 03:59:56 PM
I was more than willing to discuss peoples reaction to the antenna problem, yet I was instantly labeled. People are allowed to express an opinion, yet obviously posting a link about a product issue is anti apple. I still don't see why you're so offended, I think its a decent piece of kit, however instead of admitting a problem and fixing it they advised people to buy covers, they sohuld offer a free cover to everyone until they fix it properly.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 04:11:28 PM
If you actually wanted to talk about it, you wouldn't have put the deliberately antagonistic 'trendy' comment in there.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 04:15:36 PM
Erm, ok I'll stay out of this thread.  It seems as though reasonable discussion is not allowed in here.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 04:17:43 PM
Erm, ok I'll stay out of this thread.  It seems as though reasonable discussion is not allowed in here.

Well, it is, really. I mean, plenty of people have discussed the signal issues on previous pages.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 04:18:42 PM
Sensible decision.

In reality, there's plenty of people who've asked similar questions to yourself, if you check the last 10 pages I'm sure you'll get most the answers you need.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 04:29:20 PM
For what it's worth, I haven't had a single call drop out (yet). Internet browsing has been fine as well. The issue may well exist but I just haven't experienced it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 04:59:14 PM
For what it's worth, I haven't had a single call drop out (yet). Internet browsing has been fine as well. The issue may well exist but I just haven't experienced it.

To get reception problems, you have to a) have sweaty palms, b) cup the bottom left of the phone in your hand and c) not use a case. All mobiles have the antenna at the back and bottom, and they all suffer some degradation of signal when you hold the phone there. The iPhone 4 does lose more signal strength that most (about 30% more), though. On the other hand, it has much better reception than other phones, anyway, thanks to its cool-but-flawed antenna.

The problem is perceived as being worse than it is, because Apple made a balls of the signal strength display. It basically shows 5 bars down to about where you should be seeing 3 bars, then drops rapidly away after that, so while it looks like holding the phone wrong is knocking the signal down from 5 bars to just 1 or 2, in reality it probably should only have been showing 2 or 3 bars before you held it wrongly.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 05:35:27 PM
For what it's worth, I haven't had a single call drop out (yet). Internet browsing has been fine as well. The issue may well exist but I just haven't experienced it.

To get reception problems, you have to a) have sweaty palms, b) cup the bottom left of the phone in your hand and c) not use a case. All mobiles have the antenna at the back and bottom, and they all suffer some degradation of signal when you hold the phone there. The iPhone 4 does lose more signal strength that most (about 30% more), though. On the other hand, it has much better reception than other phones, anyway, thanks to its cool-but-flawed antenna.

The problem is perceived as being worse than it is, because Apple made a balls of the signal strength display. It basically shows 5 bars down to about where you should be seeing 3 bars, then drops rapidly away after that, so while it looks like holding the phone wrong is knocking the signal down from 5 bars to just 1 or 2, in reality it probably should only have been showing 2 or 3 bars before you held it wrongly.

That may be your experience but consumer reports found differently.

Quote
Our findings call into question the recent claim by Apple that the iPhone 4's signal-strength issues were largely an optical illusion caused by faulty software that "mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength."

The tests also indicate that AT&T's network might not be the primary suspect in the iPhone 4's much-reported signal woes.

They do like the display, battery life etc but can't recommend it due to the antenna problems. (see Semtex balance :nile:)

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/2010/07/apple-iphone-4-antenna-issue-iphone4-problems-dropped-calls-lab-test-confirmed-problem-issues-signal-strength-att-network-gsm.html

This shows its quite well - http://video.consumerreports.org/services/player/bcpid21495733001?bctid=111613310001
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 10:52:41 AM
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VizTopTips iPHONE4 USERS. Use the Built-in Compass and GPS to find the nearest public phone box.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:31:20 PM
For what it's worth, I haven't had a single call drop out (yet). Internet browsing has been fine as well. The issue may well exist but I just haven't experienced it.

To get reception problems, you have to a) have sweaty palms, b) cup the bottom left of the phone in your hand and c) not use a case. All mobiles have the antenna at the back and bottom, and they all suffer some degradation of signal when you hold the phone there. The iPhone 4 does lose more signal strength that most (about 30% more), though. On the other hand, it has much better reception than other phones, anyway, thanks to its cool-but-flawed antenna.

The problem is perceived as being worse than it is, because Apple made a balls of the signal strength display. It basically shows 5 bars down to about where you should be seeing 3 bars, then drops rapidly away after that, so while it looks like holding the phone wrong is knocking the signal down from 5 bars to just 1 or 2, in reality it probably should only have been showing 2 or 3 bars before you held it wrongly.

That may be your experience but consumer reports found differently.

Quote
Our findings call into question the recent claim by Apple that the iPhone 4's signal-strength issues were largely an optical illusion caused by faulty software that "mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength."

The tests also indicate that AT&T's network might not be the primary suspect in the iPhone 4's much-reported signal woes.

They do like the display, battery life etc but can't recommend it due to the antenna problems. (see Semtex balance :nile:)

http://blogs.consumerreports.org/electronics/2010/07/apple-iphone-4-antenna-issue-iphone4-problems-dropped-calls-lab-test-confirmed-problem-issues-signal-strength-att-network-gsm.html

This shows its quite well - http://video.consumerreports.org/services/player/bcpid21495733001?bctid=111613310001

Noooo. They said exactly the same: don't bridge the antenna at bottom left. Do take care to read posts you're replying to.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:34:56 PM
There is a press conference today at 6pm. Seems very odd.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:38:13 PM
There is a press conference today at 6pm. Seems very odd.

Rumours of a product recall, innit? Or mass issuing of rubber cases (which I'd still not use)?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:39:44 PM
Jesus, is it really that bad? Know nowt about phones, but saw Dan's fancy iphone last week, after which there was a bit of banter about it and the issues (and Stu and QBG flirting on Blackberry Sex Apps or something). Can't imagine them doing a product recall, free rubber cases would be cheaper? And also look like a peace offering by giving free stuff out.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:41:52 PM
There is absolutely no chance of there being a mass recall.

I predict they'll say the same stuff they've been peddling for weeks.

Possibly free bumpers. They no doubt cost 50p to produce so that'd be a relatively cheap way of 'solving' things.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:44:19 PM
The phone is sexy, though. Why ruin it with a nasty, cheap looking iCondom?

Style over functionality for me. Every time.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:47:08 PM
That facetime advert is bollocks, showing somebody in Iraq or something talking to his Mrs in a hospital having a baby scan then says something like 'Used over wifi only'
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Friday 16 July 2010, 12:50:04 PM
That facetime advert is bollocks, showing somebody in Iraq or something talking to his Mrs in a hospital having a baby scan then says something like 'Used over wifi only'

Everyone wants to the skype thing now. I remember when I was at BT, BT were really pushing to get it working for their hub phones, though, to be honest, BT were really pushing to get anything working on their HUB phones - including the phone and hubs themselves.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 01:08:10 PM
You can already use fring to do camera over 3G fwiw.

This was always going to be the case as well. When they first announced FaceTime, they said it would be available to third party devs and that'll be the way forward.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 06:17:13 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/iphone-reception-pc-0873-rm-eng.jpg)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: UpTheToon on Friday 16 July 2010, 06:27:24 PM
Those are some pretty funky testing facilities.

They have just admitted the iPhone 4 drops more calls than the 3GS... only slightly like.

"This is hard data... the iPhone 4 drops less than one additional call per 100 than the 3GS. Less than one."
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 06:31:23 PM
So their answer is free bumper cases for all, or a refund if you've bought one already. *

Woo, free £25.

But they also say how tiny an issue it is.

Gotta love that Steve.

*actually they're not saying bumpers, just any cases. God knows what other cases they'll offer. GROVE BAMBOO CASE maybe?!? ;)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: UpTheToon on Friday 16 July 2010, 06:32:43 PM
Get in... I hope they have the pink ones in stock.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Friday 16 July 2010, 08:01:20 PM
Is the cases thing not just an admission that they've released a product that's not fit for purpose?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 08:08:34 PM
Is the cases thing not just an admission that they've released a product that's not fit for purpose?

Read up if you actually want to know.

http://www.apple.com/antenna/
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Friday 16 July 2010, 08:09:44 PM
Is the cases thing not just an admission that they've released a product that's not fit for purpose?

Read up if you actually want to know.

http://www.apple.com/antenna/

:thup:

Decided to replace my phone around Christmas, they need to fix everything if they want me to buy one.

EDIT:  The link is incredibly slow. :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Friday 16 July 2010, 08:52:15 PM
So their answer is free bumper cases for all, or a refund if you've bought one already. *

Woo, free £25.

But they also say how tiny an issue it is.

Gotta love that Steve.

*actually they're not saying bumpers, just any cases. God knows what other cases they'll offer. GROVE BAMBOO CASE maybe?!? ;)

I can't find anything on the Apple site saying this. How would I go about sorting one out, like?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 09:53:20 PM
So their answer is free bumper cases for all, or a refund if you've bought one already. *

Woo, free £25.

But they also say how tiny an issue it is.

Gotta love that Steve.

*actually they're not saying bumpers, just any cases. God knows what other cases they'll offer. GROVE BAMBOO CASE maybe?!? ;)

I can't find anything on the Apple site saying this. How would I go about sorting one out, like?

You can't yet.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:03:30 PM
I still don't see why they didn't say there is a problem with a minority of phones, doing these things will reduce it rather that skimping around the edges denying it. Saying its drops more calls than the 3GS, they have said here buy our new phone, but its worse for calling people than the last one. Steve Jobs should be a politician he is class at talking bullshit.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:07:01 PM
I still don't see why they didn't say there is a problem with a minority of phones, doing these things will reduce it rather that skimping around the edges denying it. Saying its drops more calls than the 3GS, they have said here buy our new phone, but its worse for calling people than the last one. Steve Jobs should be a politician he is class at talking bullshit.

You watched the full presentation? He pretty much does say that the phone isn't perfect, but his defence is simply that it's not uncommon for smart phones to behave in this way.

I dunno, I'm indifferent with the whole thing tbh, but I am glad that I will now get my bumper fee back :D
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:14:44 PM
I've only seen clips of it.

I just find it quite amusing how rather than saying yea there is an issue, he is just saying well everything else does it, quite amusing when they hyped up their new antenna so much before launch.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:23:34 PM
Well I'm not sure how this doesn't constitute them admitting there is an issue. I don't see what he problem is with them giving some perspective on the issue.

I don't see blackberry, HTC and samsung coming out and admitting issues.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:36:23 PM
Yea but RIM HTC etc didn't proclaim their phone to have a new amazing antenna.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:39:49 PM
Aye well obviously that makes apple look like mugs, but there's not much that can be done about that now.

Most of the antenna advertising was in response to people saying the "seams" on the giz leak weren't very apple anyways.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:43:18 PM
So what smartphones have had this problem, cos I can't remember the HTC desire or any blackberry having this problem
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 16 July 2010, 10:44:49 PM
Look at the videos on the apple site.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Saturday 17 July 2010, 02:13:39 AM
This was on Newsnight earlier.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/8830747.stm
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 17 July 2010, 01:17:05 PM
So if I get an iPhone of Orange will I get a free bumper?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 17 July 2010, 06:02:56 PM
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/34180/new-ipod-in-september
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Saturday 17 July 2010, 06:06:55 PM
They really should focus on bundling a proper pair of headphones and noise cancellation with the ipods rather than putting cameras etc in.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 17 July 2010, 08:36:02 PM
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/34180/new-ipod-in-september
They usually do bring out a new line of iPods in September/October time, so nothing new there really. I should imagine they will be scrapping a few models, for example the shuffle that never really sells, and maybe the nano. Since everyone will already have an iPod or and iPhone I can't see them keeping many iPods going, so I think the classic and the Touch will survive.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Sunday 18 July 2010, 01:24:09 PM
They really should focus on bundling a proper pair of headphones and noise cancellation with the ipods rather than putting cameras etc in.

Why bundle for free what they can sell as extra later on?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Sunday 18 July 2010, 02:04:05 PM
They really should focus on bundling a proper pair of headphones and noise cancellation with the ipods rather than putting cameras etc in.

Why bundle for free what they can sell as extra later on?

This is true, most people after an mp3 player don't think about sound quality, I know some people who are adamant the standard apple headphones are the best you can get..... I just wish sony would make a 120gb walkman !
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 18 July 2010, 03:45:25 PM
They really should focus on bundling a proper pair of headphones and noise cancellation with the ipods rather than putting cameras etc in.

Why bundle for free what they can sell as extra later on?

This is true, most people after an mp3 player don't think about sound quality, I know some people who are adamant the standard apple headphones are the best you can get..... I just wish sony would make a 120gb walkman !
Standard iPod headphones are terrible. They have poor sound quality, never stay in your ear, and the rubber bits peel off after a little while and make it uncomfortable to put in your ear. Most people these days never use them.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Monday 19 July 2010, 09:29:21 AM
I'm really tempted to get rid of my 5 year-old Macbook and get a new Macbook Pro... I almost did it at the weekend but resisted, just.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 19 July 2010, 09:32:40 AM
I'm really tempted to get rid of my 5 year-old Macbook and get a new Macbook Pro... I almost did it at the weekend but resisted, just.
I dare you to go into an Apple store now, I bet you wouldn't resist the temptation. Infact if you go to curry's or PC World the Macbook Pro's are about £100 cheaper then directly off Apple.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 19 July 2010, 09:46:33 AM
Just get a student to get one tbh
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 19 July 2010, 09:46:42 AM
Free iPod that way too IIRC
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: PCW1983 on Monday 19 July 2010, 04:29:55 PM
I'm really tempted to get rid of my 5 year-old Macbook and get a new Macbook Pro... I almost did it at the weekend but resisted, just.
I dare you to go into an Apple store now, I bet you wouldn't resist the temptation. Infact if you go to curry's or PC World the Macbook Pro's are about £100 cheaper then directly off Apple.
Macbook Pro's are quite simply the dogs dangleys
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Monday 19 July 2010, 06:31:59 PM
I could be set to re-join the world of Mac...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Monday 19 July 2010, 06:34:16 PM
Is there that much difference between a normal macbook and a macbook pro?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Monday 19 July 2010, 09:05:14 PM
I think it's just aesthetics now.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 19 July 2010, 09:09:50 PM
The Pro has 4gb ram as standard and is aluminium unibody, the mb has 2gb ram. That's about it.

For the price difference, I'd pro.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 12:39:52 AM
The Pro has 4gb ram as standard and is aluminium unibody, the mb has 2gb ram. That's about it.

For the price difference, I'd pro.
Aye, the Macbook looks s**** aswell for some reason, the lack of the shiny black around the screen I think.

Thats my next laptop, mine always f*** up after the warrenty has ran out and I've heard that Mac's can last something like 5 years, so I'm going to pay the higher price and get better value for money.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 11:11:32 AM
Just realised there's an udate for angry birds with new levels.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 11:15:53 AM
Just realised there's an udate for angry birds with new levels.
And i have completed them already, Angry Birds, the game that just keeps giving !
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 01:08:06 PM
The Pro has 4gb ram as standard and is aluminium unibody, the mb has 2gb ram. That's about it.

For the price difference, I'd pro.
Aye, the Macbook looks s**** aswell for some reason, the lack of the shiny black around the screen I think.

Thats my next laptop, mine always f*** up after the warrenty has ran out and I've heard that Mac's can last something like 5 years, so I'm going to pay the higher price and get better value for money.

The same reason that I'm interested in a mac. My laptop has just f***ed up after 1 1/2 years, deemed unrepairable. 3 years standard warranty when buying as a student I'm told. That and the fact they generally last longer anyway make the high price for me justifiable.

Also anyone with the 13" screen, is it big enough?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 01:14:44 PM
I had the 13" beforehand, now have 17".

It's fine, unless you've got great ambitions with Adobe Creative Suite.

However, now that I've got 17 inch, I couldn't go back. It wouldn't satisfy me.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 01:36:18 PM
I have the 13", I chose the small size because it was so much more portable, and it's great.  Apart from the fact that it won't turn on anymore, taking it to the Apple store later to see if they can fix it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 01:54:21 PM
Same here :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 01:55:30 PM
Just had a look at the iPhone 4 for the first time in the Apple store... not overwhelmed. It's an evolution from the current one, but nothing that makes me want to upgrade immediately.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 20 July 2010, 01:58:46 PM
I have a older macbook with 13" screen, when I replace it I'll definitely get 15"... they are lighter as well now (they seem to be anyway).

Went into the Apple store today to look at the Macbook Pro, I'm dangerously close to buying.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Wednesday 21 July 2010, 07:58:40 PM
Quote
A 15 year old managed to sneak a WiFi Tethering App into the Apple App Store recently. It was disguised as a flashlight app and cost 99 cents, but once it was released the dev released a YouTube video showing how to use the app for tethering without paying your carrier's tethering fee. It has since been removed from the App Store, but its still note worthy IMO in the fact that a 15 year old managed to fool Apple like this. Tethering was triggered by tapping the colours for the flashlight in a certain order and then tapping the top right corner, unlocking a hidden purple light, and also enabling tethering.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/20/handy-light-for-iphones-dirty-little-secret-tethering-video/
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Wednesday 21 July 2010, 08:04:07 PM
Genius
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 21 July 2010, 09:07:26 PM
Haha mint. I wish I'd got it.

I wonder if they killswitched it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Wednesday 21 July 2010, 09:18:50 PM
Bit worrying from a security point of view, surely? If he could sneak that past Apple, could he not have snuck something in to keylog your bank details or harvest your phonebook for numbers to SMS spam?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 21 July 2010, 09:35:36 PM
Bit worrying from a security point of view, surely? If he could sneak that past Apple, could he not have snuck something in to keylog your bank details or harvest your phonebook for numbers to SMS spam?

I severely doubt there is an API function for key-logging like.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 21 July 2010, 10:18:36 PM
Haha mint. I wish I'd got it.

I wonder if they killswitched it.

Nope. And they almost certainly won't (they haven't done with previous tethering apps that made it through). They'll only killswitch apps that screw with users' s***, not with network operators'.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 25 July 2010, 09:51:46 AM
The app is now available for the free cases, about 6 to choose from the quickest ships in 3-5 weeks.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Sunday 25 July 2010, 10:15:08 AM
Had a go of one yesterday and nothing on it has convinced me to upgrade from my 3g. Even though people have told me otherwise, im absolutely sure the screen is smaller too.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 25 July 2010, 10:23:04 AM
Had a go of one yesterday and nothing on it has convinced me to upgrade from my 3g. Even though people have told me otherwise, im absolutely sure the screen is smaller too.

:lol:

The screen is not smaller.

(http://www.technorotic.com/2010/06/iphone-4-screen-resolution-vs-iphone-3gs/)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 25 July 2010, 10:49:14 AM
Had a go of one yesterday and nothing on it has convinced me to upgrade from my 3g. Even though people have told me otherwise, im absolutely sure the screen is smaller too.

:lol:

The screen is not smaller.

(http://www.technorotic.com/2010/06/iphone-4-screen-resolution-vs-iphone-3gs/)

i think he thinks it looks smaller in size, (not every1 thinks in resolution you know :rolleyes:)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Sunday 25 July 2010, 10:51:15 AM
It actually says in that article that all iphone screens are the same size. I refuse to accept the opinion of a two-bit blog though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Sunday 25 July 2010, 12:08:57 PM
Had a go of one yesterday and nothing on it has convinced me to upgrade from my 3g. Even though people have told me otherwise, im absolutely sure the screen is smaller too.

The speed of it compared to the 3G is far superior.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 25 July 2010, 12:10:30 PM
I was contemplating the iphone 4, but the price it will cost = not worth it
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Sunday 25 July 2010, 12:13:10 PM
Had a go of one yesterday and nothing on it has convinced me to upgrade from my 3g. Even though people have told me otherwise, im absolutely sure the screen is smaller too.

The speed of it compared to the 3G is far superior.

Maybe, but its not a huge factor in my life.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Jayson on Sunday 25 July 2010, 12:18:37 PM
I was contemplating the iphone 4, but the price it will cost = not worth it

Seems between this, Htc desire & Samsung galaxy there isnt much difference. Many saying the Desires the best of the 3.

Then this costs about £300 more. Dunno why anyone would get it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 25 July 2010, 12:54:42 PM
Had a go of one yesterday and nothing on it has convinced me to upgrade from my 3g. Even though people have told me otherwise, im absolutely sure the screen is smaller too.

:lol:

The screen is not smaller.

(http://www.technorotic.com/2010/06/iphone-4-screen-resolution-vs-iphone-3gs/)

i think he thinks it looks smaller in size, (not every1 thinks in resolution you know :rolleyes:)

Seriously you don't f***ing help yourself sometimes. The very first sentence says "The actual screen size of the new iPhone 4 is identical to previous models". The VERY first sentence.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 25 July 2010, 12:55:27 PM
It actually says in that article that all iphone screens are the same size. I refuse to accept the opinion of a two-bit blog though.

What about a ruler? Do you believe a ruler?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Sunday 25 July 2010, 07:30:37 PM
Had a go of one yesterday and nothing on it has convinced me to upgrade from my 3g. Even though people have told me otherwise, im absolutely sure the screen is smaller too.

:lol:

The screen is not smaller.

(http://www.technorotic.com/2010/06/iphone-4-screen-resolution-vs-iphone-3gs/)

i think he thinks it looks smaller in size, (not every1 thinks in resolution you know :rolleyes:)

Seriously you don't f***ing help yourself sometimes. The very first sentence says "The actual screen size of the new iPhone 4 is identical to previous models". The VERY first sentence.

Chill out. People can think things look smaller despite them being the same size.

Whole new level of fanboy-dom getting all radge and asking if people believe rulers :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 25 July 2010, 07:32:09 PM
I think the screen looks smaller, but it's not.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 25 July 2010, 07:34:15 PM
I was contemplating the iphone 4, but the price it will cost = not worth it

Seems between this, Htc desire & Samsung galaxy there isnt much difference. Many saying the Desires the best of the 3.

Then this costs about £300 more. Dunno why anyone would get it.

much more apps, ease of use.

if your more technical then android is best one you can get more out of it, + you get flash
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Adam^ on Sunday 25 July 2010, 07:48:06 PM
I was contemplating the iphone 4, but the price it will cost = not worth it

Seems between this, Htc desire & Samsung galaxy there isnt much difference. Many saying the Desires the best of the 3.

Then this costs about £300 more. Dunno why anyone would get it.

much more apps, ease of use.

if your more technical then android is best one you can get more out of it, + you get flash

I wouldnt say iOS is easier to use than android, they are pretty similar just android is far more customisable. The thing that annoys me about iphones is that there is no back button, so to go back (from a contact to the list etc) you have to press the screen at the top, where as an actual button on the bottom would be far quicker.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 09:03:49 PM
Enquired about iPhone 4 on three last week but said would ring back, on saturday got a micro sim in post for new iphone, phoned up three to complain the f*** out of them and they cancelled the order.

Got a phone call from escalations yesterday about the situation and said it was fine.

today iphone 4 arrvies on delivery

 :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 09:56:36 PM
Considering a cheap HTC Smartphone. They any good?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stephen927 on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 10:00:08 PM
I've just bought an iPod Touch. It's like an iPhone but you can't make calls. Hey, wait, it's exactly like an iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 10:15:45 PM
I've just bought an iPod Touch. It's like an iPhone but you can't make calls. Hey, wait, it's exactly like an iPhone.

why didn't you wait for the new ipod touch coming out in the next 1-2 months, going have a camera, retina screen etc
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 10:16:36 PM
He's chatting unfunny s*** anyway.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 11:09:59 PM
I've just bought an iPod Touch. It's like an iPhone but you can't make calls. Hey, wait, it's exactly like an iPhone.

why didn't you wait for the new ipod touch coming out in the next 1-2 months, going have a camera, retina screen etc
:facepalm:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 11:13:47 PM
It's bad when Stifler's facepalming you. Dire, in fact.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 11:18:14 PM
It's bad when Stifler's facepalming you. Dire, in fact.
I was wondering how long that would take.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Beren on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 11:24:07 PM
Considering a cheap HTC Smartphone. They any good?

Seem better than the iPhone to me.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 11:26:12 PM
Considering a cheap HTC Smartphone. They any good?

Seem better than the iPhone to me.
They only real advantage the iPhone has is the apps but I can live without them I think
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 27 July 2010, 11:34:46 PM
Considering a cheap HTC Smartphone. They any good?

Seem better than the iPhone to me.
They only real advantage the iPhone has is the apps but I can live without them I think

Not really.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Beren on Wednesday 28 July 2010, 02:46:55 AM
Agree with Andy, you'd be surprise at the range of apps available on HTC handsets.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 28 July 2010, 12:31:17 PM
:lol:

Yeah, that wasn't really where I was coming from.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Astroblack on Wednesday 28 July 2010, 04:43:55 PM
I f***ed up my 3GS and had to restore it. When I did, it upgraded to 4.0. Is there anyway to jailbreak the 4.0 on the 3GS if you didn't save the cydia code?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 7 August 2010, 10:30:08 PM
Does anyone know of any free ipod to computer transfer programmes?, all the ones I can find are pay ones or trial ones that won't transfer all of my music over. I also can't do it manually because fro some reason my computer won't let me see the hidden files on ym iPod even when I tell it too.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 7 August 2010, 10:55:47 PM
I f***ed up my 3GS and had to restore it. When I did, it upgraded to 4.0. Is there anyway to jailbreak the 4.0 on the 3GS if you didn't save the cydia code?

www.jailbreakme.com
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 8 August 2010, 04:45:49 PM
I got mine today.  :celb:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Astroblack on Sunday 8 August 2010, 11:06:06 PM
I f***ed up my 3GS and had to restore it. When I did, it upgraded to 4.0. Is there anyway to jailbreak the 4.0 on the 3GS if you didn't save the cydia code?

www.jailbreakme.com

YOU. ARE. GOD!

Now I have to remember everything I lost. Its like being born again  :banana:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Sunday 8 August 2010, 11:19:37 PM
Whys installous suddenly turned s*** and decided not to install a thing I download?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Interpolic on Sunday 8 August 2010, 11:21:24 PM
Not getting one anymore. :shifty:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 8 August 2010, 11:24:46 PM
Not getting one anymore. :shifty:

same

happy with 3GS now with 4.0 and jailbreaked, can't justify the cost of it now.

just got myself a HD digital camera for £60, will fill in for the video recording ability
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Monday 9 August 2010, 08:59:42 AM
I've bought a Macbook essentially a week ago, it's meant to take two weeks. They reserved the balance from my debit card, sent me an invoice saying the final amount has been paid, but they didn't take it out of my account and I've now got the amount available on my card. Has anyone had a similar experience? Am I getting this laptop for free, or is it wishful thinking?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 9 August 2010, 09:02:54 AM
Massively wishful thinking.

I'm sure it's just a case that in the first instance they send an authorisation request for the relevant amount, if that authorisation is successful, they allow the sale and will take the money later. Something like that anyway.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: dinotheprehistoricgeordie on Monday 9 August 2010, 12:17:25 PM
Still wating for Tesco to get some in  :angry:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 9 August 2010, 02:11:02 PM
Still wating for Tesco to get some in  :angry:

jeez, suprised they haven't had any in
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Monday 9 August 2010, 02:44:51 PM
Does anyone know of any free ipod to computer transfer programmes?, all the ones I can find are pay ones or trial ones that won't transfer all of my music over. I also can't do it manually because fro some reason my computer won't let me see the hidden files on ym iPod even when I tell it too.

There are quite a lot of guides out there on this one. There's also a piece of (free) software that lets you view the files on your ipod and drag them across.

I did this for a friend's ipod before, can't remember exactly how but it wasn't too difficult IIRC.

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 9 August 2010, 11:22:12 PM
Does anyone know of any free ipod to computer transfer programmes?, all the ones I can find are pay ones or trial ones that won't transfer all of my music over. I also can't do it manually because fro some reason my computer won't let me see the hidden files on ym iPod even when I tell it too.

There are quite a lot of guides out there on this one. There's also a piece of (free) software that lets you view the files on your ipod and drag them across.

I did this for a friend's ipod before, can't remember exactly how but it wasn't too difficult IIRC.


My sister knows how to transfer music from an iPod to a computer, so she was able to do that for me today.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Monday 9 August 2010, 11:23:06 PM
Urgh, gross.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Beren on Monday 9 August 2010, 11:48:13 PM
Considering a cheap HTC Smartphone. They any good?

Seem better than the iPhone to me.
They only real advantage the iPhone has is the apps but I can live without them I think

Not really.

I see what you actually meant now (;)), but as a sincere request, could you elucidate what advantages the iPhone has over the HTC phones?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 09:43:50 AM
Has anyone got the invis-shield for it?, if so is it worth getting it? I don't know whether to get the invi-shield or just get a pack of socks for it.

By the way Tesco's (and pretty much everywhere) have now stopped doing notifications on their stock levels. It's walk in and try your luck pretty much everywhere now.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 09:58:57 AM
I wouldn't bother with a screen protector. They're not necessary.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 11:48:12 AM
I wouldn't bother with a screen protector. They're not necessary.

they are if you drop your phone a lot
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 12:01:16 PM
Don't think my screen has ever scratched, despite a few drops & being in the same pocket as keys/coins.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 12:11:19 PM
The money came out today, my hopes of a free mac completely smashed.

Anyone play many games on their Macbook? Not really anything intensive, just maybe say Fifa and maybe something like COD? I've been told of bootcamp so you can run non Mac compatible games/apps, is it a hassell or simply as easy as putting a Windows disc in?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 12:14:46 PM
You'll just get f***ed off with Boot Camp if you're anything like me. Steam is now available on mac, so perhaps that is your best route.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 12:15:55 PM
If you drop your phone excessively, your entire screen will smash, your little sticky screen protector won't do s***.

I had the Zagg Invisithing for about 12 months on my 3G, got fed up with it and removed it. 12 months later my screen wasn't scratched.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 12:18:14 PM
How'd you mean like? Is it not just like a normal Windows laptop when you like boot camp it?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Weezertron on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 12:26:59 PM
f***, I need a macbook really bad.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 01:13:22 PM
f***, I need a macbook really bad.
You don't.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 01:21:56 PM
Allmo -> Boot Camp is fine, you simply boot up your Macbook and choose whether to boot into Mac OS X or Windows. But it's just a bit frustrating to use Windows after getting used to OS X on your laptop. I very rarely use my Windows 7 partition because it's just awkward to restart the computer, boot into Windows 7, get annoyed that the keyboard mapping isn't exactly the same, that things behave differently etc etc. It's more of a mental block than anything. I'm fine with Windows when it's a separate PC, but I just get so frustrated whilst using it on my Macbook.

You can also get Parellels or VMWare if you want to run Windows in a window within OS X, but it will inevitably run slower. It also costs money, unless you've got "connections".
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Weezertron on Tuesday 10 August 2010, 01:27:03 PM
f***, I need a macbook really bad.
You don't.
Cheers man, appreciate it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Thursday 12 August 2010, 06:36:56 PM
Cheers for the advice SEMTEX going to give boot camp a whirl tomorrow.  O0

It came today and it's just well, awesome.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Thursday 12 August 2010, 08:58:39 PM
Oh no, use V Ware Fusion. It's really good.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 12 August 2010, 09:30:05 PM
Rumours are that Apple are to release a new version of Apple TV. This time though it will actually be a TV (UK models would act as a Freeview box), and not only that but it will be renamed iTV.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Chrissy Bee on Thursday 12 August 2010, 09:44:33 PM
Rumours are that Apple are to release a new version of Apple TV. This time though it will actually be a TV (UK models would act as a Freeview box), and not only that but it will be renamed iTV.

The Apple TV was supposed to be called iTV but it wasn't for a rather obvious reason.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 12 August 2010, 09:55:52 PM
It won't be a full TV, it'll be a little box, Stifler, he talks the s***.

It will probably be called iTV. I'm sure they'll be fine for copyright in most places in the world anyway.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 12 August 2010, 09:56:22 PM
Rumours are that Apple are to release a new version of Apple TV. This time though it will actually be a TV (UK models would act as a Freeview box), and not only that but it will be renamed iTV.

The Apple TV was supposed to be called iTV but it wasn't for a rather obvious reason.
Maybe the UK model will keep the name Apple TV.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 12 August 2010, 09:58:45 PM
It won't be a full TV, it'll be a little box, Stifler, he talks the s***.

It will probably be called iTV. I'm sure they'll be fine for copyright in most places in the world anyway.
These are only rumours mate, they could very well bring out a full TV model, though it would be priced on par with the Macbooks/Macbook Pro's.

I'm not saying it will happen, just saying what people think could possibly be in the pipe line, though Apple inside info a very rare, only the iPhone 4 in recent times got "leaks".

Though I was right on the Apple Metrocentre store.

Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 12 August 2010, 10:01:55 PM
It won't be a full TV, it'll be a little box, Stifler, he talks the s***.

It will probably be called iTV. I'm sure they'll be fine for copyright in most places in the world anyway.
These are only rumours mate, they could very well bring out a full TV model, though it would be priced on par with the Macbooks/Macbook Pro's.

I'm not saying it will happen, just saying what people think could possibly be in the pipe line, though Apple inside info a very rare, only the iPhone 4 in recent times got "leaks".

Though I was right on the Apple Metrocentre store.



:lol:

It's not really the same thing though is it? Everything I've read has pointed towards 'iTV' and it being a tiny box with basically the same processor that an iPhone/iPad has - which will mean it doesn't have the beef to play 1080p content. People thinking it'll be a TV are just reading into Jobs' comments a few months back saying people don't wanna pay real money for another box. It'll probably be $100 and tiny.

There was even a story about it today on engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/11/upcoming-apple-tv-loses-1080p-playback-gains-apps/

Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Friday 13 August 2010, 05:13:25 AM
It won't be a full TV, it'll be a little box, Stifler, he talks the s***.

It will probably be called iTV. I'm sure they'll be fine for copyright in most places in the world anyway.
These are only rumours mate, they could very well bring out a full TV model, though it would be priced on par with the Macbooks/Macbook Pro's.

I'm not saying it will happen, just saying what people think could possibly be in the pipe line, though Apple inside info a very rare, only the iPhone 4 in recent times got "leaks".

Though I was right on the Apple Metrocentre store.



Having read a few of your posts yesterday, you'd probably do well to ALWAYS delete your final sentence, as it is generally the worst of the lot.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 13 August 2010, 09:05:05 AM
Anyone wanna buy my mac mini for about 400 beans. It's a...

Product Description: Apple Mac mini Core 2 Duo 2 GHz
Type: Personal computer
Form Factor: Desktop slimline
Dimensions (WxDxH): 16.5 cm x 16.5 cm x 5.1 cm
Weight: 1.31 kg
Localisation: English / United Kingdom
Processor: 1 x Intel Core 2 Duo 2 GHz ( Dual-Core )
Cache Memory: 4 MB L2 Cache
Cache Per Processor: 4 MB
RAM: 2 GB DDR2 SDRAM - 667 MHz - PC2-5300
Storage Controller: Serial ATA
Hard Drive: 1 x 120 GB - standard - Serial ATA-150
Optical Storage: DVD±RW (±R DL)
Monitor: None.
Graphics Controller: Intel GMA 950 Dynamic Video Memory Technology 3.0
Audio Output: Sound card - stereo
Networking: Network adapter - Ethernet, Fast Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet, IEEE 802.11b, IEEE 802.11g, Bluetooth 2.0 EDR
Power: AC 120/230 V ( 50/60 Hz )
OS Provided: Apple MacOS 10.5
OS Installed: MacOS 10.6
Environmental Standards: ENERGY STAR Qualified
'
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Sunday 15 August 2010, 05:47:55 PM
Does anyone use quicksilver for their mac?

Also just discovered I can use my iPhone as a remote, just awesome man.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Sunday 15 August 2010, 06:13:41 PM
I'm very tempted to get one of these as lecturers suggested them. Where's the cheapest place...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Sunday 15 August 2010, 06:19:20 PM
Apple Store with Student discount at about 13%
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 15 August 2010, 06:29:29 PM
Kezman it'd probably be better for you to get a US edu discount. And try Delaware if you don't want to pay tax.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: VegasToon on Sunday 15 August 2010, 06:46:06 PM
Both have their advantages and it really depends on what you plan on using it for.  Multi media the Macbook is the best, business applications the Laptop is better.  One way of knowing which one to get, if you need to install windows 7 on a Macbook to run an application you need, buy a Laptop.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Sunday 15 August 2010, 07:32:07 PM
Kezman it'd probably be better for you to get a US edu discount. And try Delaware if you don't want to pay tax.
I'm heading to DC in a month or two, reckon I should try it then?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 16 August 2010, 12:10:43 AM
I'm very tempted to get one of these as lecturers suggested them. Where's the cheapest place...
PC World/Curry's without any discount though.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Tuesday 31 August 2010, 05:45:16 PM
Anyone get an iphone 4 from Tesco?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 31 August 2010, 05:54:30 PM
Dino
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 1 September 2010, 12:17:48 AM
Anyone get an iphone 4 from Tesco?
No but it's basically just 02 with the cheaper name.

Anyway I keep getting the urge to buy FM on my iPhone but I know it won't be long untill a new one coems out.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Wednesday 8 September 2010, 09:03:29 PM
There is a App for the Iphone called Newcastle United match schedule, it syncs Newcastles fixyures into your calendar and updates when there is any changes.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Kaizero on Wednesday 8 September 2010, 09:13:32 PM
Anyone get an iphone 4 from Tesco?
No but it's basically just 02 with the cheaper name.

Anyway I keep getting the urge to buy FM on my iPhone but I know it won't be long untill a new one coems out.

Plus it's really s*** on iPhone tbh. I can't get into it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Wednesday 8 September 2010, 09:16:56 PM
Anyone get an iphone 4 from Tesco?
No but it's basically just 02 with the cheaper name.

Anyway I keep getting the urge to buy FM on my iPhone but I know it won't be long untill a new one coems out.

Plus it's really s*** on iPhone tbh. I can't get into it.

I agree, its pretty bollocks tbh
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 8 September 2010, 09:19:00 PM
I think FM on iPhone is alright, but the problem is that it just makes you want to play the full version, rather than enjoy the iPhone version.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 8 September 2010, 10:51:00 PM
I think FM on iPhone is alright, but the problem is that it just makes you want to play the full version, rather than enjoy the iPhone version.

I'm not a fan of FM on iOS, but your right it just makes you want to play on the proper game.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 9 September 2010, 03:49:29 PM
If you drop your phone excessively, your entire screen will smash, your little sticky screen protector won't do s***.

I had the Zagg Invisithing for about 12 months on my 3G, got fed up with it and removed it. 12 months later my screen wasn't scratched.

Screen scratching is a non-problem basically... as you say dropping and smashing the phone is much more likely.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 9 September 2010, 03:53:56 PM
Gamecenter tags anyone?

SEMTEX
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 9 September 2010, 03:54:22 PM
Add GC tags to this thread...

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,71301.0/wap2.html
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 9 September 2010, 03:54:38 PM
You can even get rid of the wap suffix if you wish... :aww:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Monday 20 September 2010, 05:38:39 PM
Got mine coming tomorrow. 32gb black iphone 4, unlimited texts and calls, 1gb internet and all for £30 a month, £49 for the phone. Gotta love t-mobile!!!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Coco on Thursday 23 September 2010, 05:26:48 PM
Got mine today...


Liking it so far, but it's gonna take a bit of getting used to...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Besty on Thursday 23 September 2010, 09:40:19 PM
Got mine coming tomorrow. 32gb black iphone 4, unlimited texts and calls, 1gb internet and all for £30 a month, £49 for the phone. Gotta love t-mobile!!!

Whatttt?! Upgrade?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Thursday 23 September 2010, 11:59:39 PM
Friends and family half price discount my friend!! And as it's my ex's sister I don't even talk to her anymore.

iTunes sucks cock!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 13 October 2010, 06:25:11 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/mainimage.jpg)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 13 October 2010, 08:30:27 PM
Ever since I saw the iTunes 10 on a Mac I knew a new OS wasn't far off, simply because the traffic lights are now vertical on the iTunes 10 instead of the usual horizontal on previouse versions and and all other programmes/windows on Macs.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Thursday 14 October 2010, 07:09:33 PM
Had it for 2-3 months now, one of the best buys I've ever made. Everything about it, the unibody, the OS, the speed, basically everything is top quality. I still enjoy just using it if that makes any sense. Think I'm in love.  :smitten:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 14 October 2010, 07:10:00 PM
one of us, one of us, one of us, one of us, one of us
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 14 October 2010, 07:26:50 PM
I was going to get one but I'm really liking the idea of an iMac intead, though that would mean more money to buy things like an adaptor for my TV and Xbox. I really don't know now. I'm waiting to see what they say at the keynote on Wednesday in anyway.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 06:52:34 PM
Facetime on Mac :thup::thup::thup: All sorts of iLife11 stuff so far.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 06:54:30 PM
I have a total complex now. TheBurnip came round to watch UFC last weekend and the 1st thing he said was 'That's not a Mac'.  :undecided:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 06:54:36 PM
LION
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:01:09 PM
I have a total complex now. TheBurnip came round to watch UFC last weekend and the 1st thing he said was 'That's not a Mac'.  :undecided:

Yeah, sadly people live in a different world.  PC's are KING in my world.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:01:46 PM
I have a total complex now. TheBurnip came round to watch UFC last weekend and the 1st thing he said was 'That's not a Mac'.  :undecided:

Yeah, sadly people live in a different world.  PC's are KING in my world.

:smug::smug::smug::smug::smug::smug::smug:

Thank f*** I'm not in your world. Enjoy neesy's kingdom Chris, let me know if you ever want to defect.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:02:31 PM
 :lol:

Aye, Neesy has just ensured that I buy a Mac back and turn my flat into Mac flat.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:03:28 PM
:lol:

Aye, Neesy has just ensured that I buy a Mac back and turn my flat into Mac flat.

:lol: You would enjoy my world.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:04:36 PM
:lol:

Aye, Neesy has just ensured that I buy a Mac back and turn my flat into Mac flat.

:lol: You would enjoy my world.

 :kinnear:

RAPE!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:05:48 PM
:lol:

Aye, Neesy has just ensured that I buy a Mac back and turn my flat into Mac flat.

:lol: You would enjoy my world.

 :kinnear:

RAPE!

People misunderstand me.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:07:13 PM
App store come to mac. Bye bye physical media, bye bye :)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:08:11 PM
App store come to mac. Bye bye physical media, bye bye :)

What happens, if the net crashes, does Steve have a backup for that?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:08:50 PM
:lol:

Aye, Neesy has just ensured that I buy a Mac back and turn my flat into Mac flat.

:lol: You would enjoy my world.

 :kinnear:

RAPE!

People misunderstand me.
:lol:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:09:09 PM
App store come to mac. Bye bye physical media, bye bye :)

What happens, if the net crashes, does Steve have a backup for that?

... the application is still on your computer? :lol:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:10:39 PM
App store come to mac. Bye bye physical media, bye bye :)

What happens, if the net crashes, does Steve have a backup for that?

... the application is still on your computer? :lol:

So it isn't cloud computing yet?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:11:21 PM
App store come to mac. Bye bye physical media, bye bye :)

What happens, if the net crashes, does Steve have a backup for that?

... the application is still on your computer? :lol:

So it isn't cloud computing yet?

No. It's just the app store.

... For Mac.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:14:11 PM
One more thing... (MBA)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:14:12 PM
Macs are too left wing for Neesy. He needs hard right wing dictatorship PCs.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:14:49 PM
WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A MACBOOK... MET AN IPAD!?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:15:57 PM
:lol::lol:

"So we asked ourselves what would happen, if a Macbook, and an iPad... welll... hooked up"
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:17:09 PM
(http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/23/screenshot20101020at191.png)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:17:34 PM
Pretty sure that TheBurnip is just a Mac PR man... or perhaps a person possessed by a Mac.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:18:34 PM
It's a core 2 duo, makes me a little sad, tho it was expected, given the mobile aspect of the machine.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:21:23 PM
Looks at all that s***

(http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/1364/screenshot20101020at192.png)

s*** balls they're releasing an 11.6inch version too. s*** balls. s***s goin down. Welcome to the worlds most expensive netbook.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:33:45 PM
That has p*ssed me off slightly, because everything looks so good. I want a MBP but I have to wait untill summer for Lion, by then a new one will be out and running Lion will probs slow my Mac down, but not only that if I get a MBP now I'll probs miss out on the new design (the slope) and maybe even flash memory.

What the f*** do I do now?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:37:41 PM
That has p*ssed me off slightly, because everything looks so good. I want a MBP but I have to wait untill summer for Lion, by then a new one will be out and running Lion will probs slow my Mac down, but not only that if I get a MBP now I'll probs miss out on the new design (the slope) and maybe even flash memory.

What the f*** do I do now?

Well I can't imagine a new MBP will be seen till next Summer. That's kind of a long time. Depends how much you need one at the moment...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:41:22 PM
That has p*ssed me off slightly, because everything looks so good. I want a MBP but I have to wait untill summer for Lion, by then a new one will be out and running Lion will probs slow my Mac down, but not only that if I get a MBP now I'll probs miss out on the new design (the slope) and maybe even flash memory.

What the f*** do I do now?

Well I can't imagine a new MBP will be seen till next Summer. That's kind of a long time. Depends how much you need one at the moment...
I've said that my next computer will be a Mac since this time last year, then my computer I had broke on me in March time (using a shitty netbook right now that is dying), only now have I really got into a position where I could get one.

I don't want to be the guy who waits for the next leap in tech otherwise I'll always be waiting, but when they show you all of this then you start to think.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:43:37 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=210712

Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 07:51:29 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=210712


Yeah but assuming it is updated again in April (one after it's last update), thats still 6 month's away from now. I doubt it will be updated before then, then again we never know.

This is now pushing me back towards an iMac, which is too much money then I really wanted to spend.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Weezertron on Wednesday 20 October 2010, 08:54:26 PM
Nee one wants a macbook air. Lame.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: koenji on Tuesday 2 November 2010, 12:09:06 PM
anyone get up an hour late then?  :lol:



Scores of iPhone users were late to work on Monday, after a bug in the software meant the device's alarm clock feature failed to adjust to Daylight Saving Time.

Hundreds of angry comments were posted on the social networking website Twitter about the glitch on the Apple device, which occured even though the rest of the phone's features updated the time automatically.

"Well done Apple - you've made me decide I need to use a proper alarm clock rather than relying on my iPhone," one user tweeted.

"Stupid iPhone alarm clock went off an hour late. What a great start to the week," said another.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20101101/tuk-iphone-glitch-leaves-scores-late-to-a7ad41d.html
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 2 November 2010, 12:10:15 PM
My mummy woke me up :aww:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 2 November 2010, 12:12:23 PM

"Stupid iPhone alarm clock went off an hour late. What a great start to the week," said another.

isn't it like?  would work for me
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 2 November 2010, 12:19:19 PM
I thought anyone with any sense would make sure to set the alarm an hour earlier if they were using a tech alarm to wake them up. I've done that for years, I just don't trust tech to change the time for me.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Tuesday 2 November 2010, 12:41:23 PM
Where does the cheapest/best deals for these? Moving back to the UK so will be getting one in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 2 November 2010, 12:47:04 PM
Where does the cheapest/best deals for these? Moving back to the UK so will be getting one in the next few weeks.

www.carphonewarehouse.com

Try it with Qudico for cashback.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 2 November 2010, 01:07:11 PM
3, T-Mobile, and Tesco mobile all have the best deals on contract, depends what you want I guess.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 3 November 2010, 12:03:11 PM
I didn't have any problem with the alarm, it went off on time after adjusting for daylight saving. I have a 3GS mind.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 3 November 2010, 02:52:54 PM
I didn't have any problem with the alarm, it went off on time after adjusting for daylight saving. I have a 3GS mind.

Same. I have "Set Time Automatically" set to "On" and it adjusted the daylight saving appropriately.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 3 November 2010, 02:58:31 PM
Well mine is the same as that, but I had the problem.

I still do tbh.

If I set a once off alarm, it works fine. If I set a weekdays alarm, it fails.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 3 November 2010, 03:05:54 PM
Seems strange that it would be iPhone 4 specific.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Wednesday 3 November 2010, 08:25:45 PM
Seems strange that it would be iPhone 4 specific.

It's not, it's the same on my 3G.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 3 November 2010, 08:28:47 PM
Okay... Seems strange that the 3GS doesn't seem to be affected. :lol:

(Or at least Ian's 3GS and my 3GS, anyway)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Kaizero on Wednesday 3 November 2010, 08:31:57 PM
Okay... Seems strange that the 3GS doesn't seem to be affected. :lol:

(Or at least Ian's 3GS and my 3GS, anyway)

Mine wasn't either.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 4 November 2010, 08:34:38 AM
Quote
To resolve this behavior for existing alarms, set the repeat interval to Never. You will need to reset these alarms for each day you need them.

After November 7th, 2010, you can set your alarms to repeat again.

I only have the issue with repeating alarms, have you non-sufferers been using non-repeating alarms?

Seems they're set to US Time + 5 hours. Schoolboy s*** tbh. Fixed in the next release of iOS. Which of course won't come before Nov 7th.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: ToonTastic on Thursday 4 November 2010, 09:15:37 AM
Okay... Seems strange that the 3GS doesn't seem to be affected. :lol:

(Or at least Ian's 3GS and my 3GS, anyway)

Mine wasn't either.

Mine failed. Works fine on single alarm doesn't work when I put in weekdays. Apple taking far to long to fix seen as they knew of the fault when it happened in Australia a few weeks back.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Thursday 4 November 2010, 09:46:51 AM
Have Apple said that they know what's causing it yet? It's obviously quite complex if it's happening on some phones but not others...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 4 November 2010, 09:52:37 AM
They've just said it's fine in 4.2, I don't predict any explanation as to why it hasn't happened to everyone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 4 November 2010, 09:57:01 AM
The official support page says: Products Affected

iPod touch (4th generation), iPod touch (3rd generation), iPhone 3G, iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, iPod touch (2nd generation)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 4 November 2010, 07:42:57 PM
Apparently, everything will work fine after November 7, whatever that means. Some weird bug. Working with dates in software is a bloody minefield.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 5 November 2010, 04:50:01 AM
Apparently, everything will work fine after November 7, whatever that means. Some weird bug. Working with dates in software is a bloody minefield.
when america changes time for daylight savings dude
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: je85 on Friday 5 November 2010, 08:07:28 AM
Ordered myself one of these little fellas, my contract was up with 3 so I had a nice haggle and they've sorted me a 12months contract £20 a month, £310 for the phone. Got to wait 4-6 weeks for the phone though, boooooo.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 5 November 2010, 09:42:40 AM
Never had a problem with mine.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: adam on Saturday 6 November 2010, 12:27:56 PM
Got sorted with an amazing deal with orange yesterday. I actually work for orange so had ordered one on a cheaper staff tarriff (£31.50pm 1200 mins, unltd texts and 750mb internet, £20 for the 16gb phone) but they've taken a month to get any iphones in for staff. Got into work yesterday and was told we were doing an one day only offer so ended up getting a FREE 32gb phone, 1200mins unltd texts and 1gb internet for £29.50 a month. f***ing buzzing with that like, getting delivered on monday. Rang Internal customer services and told them to shove their staff offer up their cacky winkers.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Saturday 6 November 2010, 03:18:25 PM
Slightly better than mine, I paid £49 for the phone (32gb), get unlimited texts and minutes and 1gb internet for £30/month!!

By the way the VLC player app is a must, plays any video formats!!!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Saturday 6 November 2010, 03:26:36 PM
Slightly better than mine, I paid £49 for the phone (32gb), get unlimited texts and minutes and 1gb internet for £30/month!!

By the way the VLC player app is a must, plays any video formats!!!
Where from?

I'm really unsure what to do Torch or iPhone 4. I love a keyboard but the iPhone looks good.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Saturday 6 November 2010, 03:33:04 PM
T-Mobile, get half price friends and family discount though!!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Friday 12 November 2010, 12:42:29 PM
Just noticed my first negative to my pro. The metal is really cold in the morning.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Friday 12 November 2010, 01:28:43 PM
Getting my case replaced with by apple in the coming days. The white polycarbonate unibody is a little prone to developing cracks in certain areas. Completely cosmetic like, but its one of those things you hate just knowing that its there.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 12 November 2010, 01:43:19 PM
That happened with my old macbook (not unibody). They replaced the part out of warranty for free, as it was a known issue.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Jimburst on Friday 12 November 2010, 01:53:15 PM
Same here, good guys :)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: ED209 on Friday 12 November 2010, 05:31:41 PM
why the hell are bloody macs so expensive??? i nearly fell over when i looked in the apple shop the other day and saw the prices. Nice kit but hideously overpriced.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 12 November 2010, 05:43:58 PM
Because that's the price of a reliable computer that is engineered with quality in mind. They're more expensive, just depends how much you value the quality, lack of viruses, minimal computer slowdown over time and ease of OS use
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Friday 12 November 2010, 05:57:19 PM
Because that's the price of a reliable computer that is engineered with quality in mind. They're more expensive, just depends how much you value the quality, lack of viruses, minimal computer slowdown over time and ease of OS use
This.

Price/Performance/Life ratio of a mac would in fact make most windows systems look far more expensive.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Friday 12 November 2010, 07:39:42 PM
What Mac accessories and programs do you guys use/have?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Friday 12 November 2010, 07:49:36 PM
Essentials for me are:

MDP to HDMI cable.
iDefrag
USBOverdrive (allows you to significantly increase the speed of your mouse movement)
Perian (Codec pack)
RCDefaultApp (setting default apps to open files with)
Handbrake (encoding video files)
Toast (burning video files)
Audio Hijack Pro (basically a sound control center, allowing you to use graphical equalisers on your internet browser etc., as well as allowing you to record system audio.)
VLC Media Player
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Weezertron on Friday 12 November 2010, 08:03:52 PM
Shades
Toast
VLC

Everything else is pretty specific to what I do.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Friday 12 November 2010, 08:11:15 PM
VLC
Adium (Brings MSN and Facebook chat together)
Get Backup (Backs up my iTunes and files)
PS3 Media Server (Works with XBOX too)
uTorrent
TweetDeck

and a new one i got yesterday that i love is Cinch!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 12 November 2010, 08:13:44 PM
Divvy
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Friday 12 November 2010, 08:17:29 PM
why the hell are bloody macs so expensive??? i nearly fell over when i looked in the apple shop the other day and saw the prices. Nice kit but hideously overpriced.

Hipster tax
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Friday 12 November 2010, 08:26:21 PM
Parallels with Windows XP so I can play the new Football Manager over a network with my housemates.
VLC
uTorrent
Speed Downloader
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 12 November 2010, 08:29:39 PM
U can't play network FM between OS types?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 13 November 2010, 12:14:44 AM
I'm hoping to get one soon, January time I should imagine, unless an event is confirmed.

I was thinking about an iMac, but I'm just going to go for a MBP. Anyone know of a decent external hard drive that can hook upto a MBP?, I'm thining either 1TB or 2TB.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Disco on Saturday 13 November 2010, 12:16:54 AM
I suspect I'm clearly the worst Mac user here. Know f*** all computers and that but from a basic pov macs load up in seconds.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Saturday 13 November 2010, 03:45:20 PM
U can't play network FM between OS types?

Not 100% but going on the advice of a lad I live with who has a MBP.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 13 November 2010, 04:04:30 PM
U can't play network FM between OS types?

Not 100% but going on the advice of a lad I live with who has a MBP.


Hmm. I've played an online version with my MBP against about 6 other people before. I assume they weren't all on  Macbooks. This was probably FM08 or something, so things could've changed, but it seems fishy to me.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 13 November 2010, 04:04:52 PM
Anyone know of a decent external hard drive that can hook upto a MBP?, I'm thining either 1TB or 2TB.

Any of them. Just format it once you've got it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Saturday 13 November 2010, 04:07:35 PM
Anyone know of a decent external hard drive that can hook upto a MBP?, I'm thining either 1TB or 2TB.

Any of them. Just format it once you've got it.
How come? I didn't with mine.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 13 November 2010, 04:09:30 PM
You don't have to, but loads of them are fat formatted so you can't have files bigger than 4GB. Most people have already filled their HDD full of crap before they realise this and it is just a not fun experience. Best just formatting it as soon as you get it to make sure.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: cubaricho on Sunday 12 December 2010, 03:48:01 PM
Apparently getting one of these in the mail this week.  What are everyone's favorite apps for this? 
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Coco on Sunday 12 December 2010, 05:30:54 PM
Apparently getting one of these in the mail this week.  What are everyone's favorite apps for this? 

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,56316.0.html

Some good stuff in there...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gemmill on Monday 13 December 2010, 02:10:34 PM
Question about podcasts:

On my HTC, I have an app for podcasts which checks the rss feed of subscribed podcasts, and when a new one becomes available it auto downloads it when I'm on a wifi connection.

Does itunes do this on the iphone 4 our do you have to manually download? If itunes doesn't do it, is there an app that does.

Cheers. Thinking of getting an ipod touch as a means of seeing whether I want to go back to an iphone when my contact runs out in the middle of next year.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 13 December 2010, 03:04:21 PM
You subscribe within iTunes for the computer, so it'll only get onto your iPhone if you connect it up to your comp and sync.

You can stream any podcast from iTunes on your iPhone tho, so this is a canny fallback.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gemmill on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:06:37 PM
Really? You can't download direct to the phone, and it won't do it in the background by itself?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:29:40 PM
Nope

edit: slight correction, you can manually download a podcast less than 20MB on the phone itself, or more than 20MB if you're in wifi range. Or you can stream it on the phone itself. But it won't auto-download anything, you can only do that on iTunes computer.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gemmill on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:54:07 PM
Ah ok, cheers for that. This is a problem!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:01:29 PM
Do you not forsee that you'd connect your phone up to your computer every so often? I'm not a massive podcaster, so I dunno if there is an app-based solution that would suit your needs, but I doubt it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:17:40 PM
Nope

edit: slight correction, you can manually download a podcast less than 20MB on the phone itself, or more than 20MB if you're in wifi range. Or you can stream it on the phone itself. But it won't auto-download anything, you can only do that on iTunes computer.

How can you stream it btw, over AirPlay?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:49:26 PM
You just click on a podcast in the iTunes app, that's all I mean.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gemmill on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:30:09 PM
Do you not forsee that you'd connect your phone up to your computer every so often? I'm not a massive podcaster, so I dunno if there is an app-based solution that would suit your needs, but I doubt it.

Not really, no. I very rarely plug my current phone into the computer and it's just nice to know when you go anywhere that you'll have the latest versions of stuff without having to put in any effort. I'm surprised the iphone doesn't do similar, although there may be an app I suppose
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:43:11 PM
I just looked for "podcast" in the app store, there's an app called podcaster that costs two dollar that seems to do what you were wanting.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:44:12 PM
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/podcaster-formerly-rss-player/id377195245?mt=8
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gemmill on Monday 13 December 2010, 09:20:57 PM
Nice one, you're a good man.  Paving the way for a potential return to the iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Delima on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 05:33:10 PM
Guys how many of you have whatsapp, what do you think of it, and would u recommend it ?

I have been pondering a lot on this, it is becoming rather silly as all my time is worth much more than 99 cent. But I am trying not to install unnecessary app and with private n company email, facebook, Skype, phone with roaming, regular phone text, do I need whatsapp ?

Please advise, thanks
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 05:34:25 PM
Guys how many of you have whatsapp, what do you think of it, and would u recommend it ?

I have been pondering a lot on this, it is becoming rather silly as all my time is worth much more than 99 cent. But I am trying not to install unnecessary app and with private n company email, facebook, Skype, phone with roaming, regular phone text, do I need whatsapp ?

Please advise, thanks

I use pingchat, it's free and works rather well for what I need it to do.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:52:39 PM
http://www.onestoppcshop.co.uk/products.asp?partno=M202EAM

does this website look legit to buy from? i like to be careful with this sort of thing! and are altec lansing a good make?

thanks  :thup:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 12:34:56 AM
Altec Lansing have been around making cheap pc speakers for ages, wouldn't be me first choice though I know they've improved dramatically over the years.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:46:00 AM
Got an Altec Lansing iPod speaker, it's decent enough. Nothing stellar, but it does the job for what I wanted it for.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: dinotheprehistoricgeordie on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 12:32:07 PM
I got the 'Games Developer Story' game which is stupidly addictive. Played it for 6 hours straight on saturday  :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: cubaricho on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:28:12 PM
Finally came in the mail yesterday, properly obsessed.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Friday 17 December 2010, 01:26:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2OfQdYrHRs&feature=player_embedded

Cool.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Friday 17 December 2010, 01:30:05 PM
That's terrific! Here's hoping it comes to Android soon.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 17 December 2010, 06:35:16 PM
Damn you Dave, I just about to post that.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: colinmk on Friday 17 December 2010, 11:46:52 PM
Just to say how good a company apple is, I bought a second hand macbook pro a while back, it is from early 2008 I think. Anyway it broke big style, wouldn't switch on or anything. Phoned up apple and the guy took me through the usual s***, none of that worked then researched it further for me and found out that this model has had problems with the logic board(apple motherboard) in the past so he advised me to take it to an apple store and they could have a look at it. I live on an island so don't have access to one so they arranged ups to pick up the laptop, took it to a company who fixes macs and have now replaced it all free of charge and it is now on its way back to me. Considering I bought it second hand, had no warranty whatsoever and it was basically the whole laptop that had to be replaced, that ain't bad at all, very good customer service.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 18 December 2010, 08:45:42 PM
Rumours are going around that iWork 11 will be released on January 6th, the same day as the MacApp store opens, and also 2 years to the day since the current version of iWork (iWork 09) was released.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 19 December 2010, 08:07:34 AM
Rumours are going around that iWork 11 will be released on January 6th, the same day as the MacApp store opens, and also 2 years to the day since the current version of iWork (iWork 09) was released.
Wow, rumours are f***ing these days aren't they?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 19 December 2010, 01:57:03 PM
Rumours are going around that iWork 11 will be released on January 6th, the same day as the MacApp store opens, and also 2 years to the day since the current version of iWork (iWork 09) was released.
Wow, rumours are f***ing these days aren't they?

I think you've missed a word out somewhere.

I think I get the sentiment though, and I'm inclined to agree :lol: Rumours regarding two items that aren't that interesting, and have already been announced, don't exactly fill me with excitement.

I'm waiting on new iPad time personally...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 20 December 2010, 04:14:29 AM
Rumours are going around that iWork 11 will be released on January 6th, the same day as the MacApp store opens, and also 2 years to the day since the current version of iWork (iWork 09) was released.
Wow, rumours are f***ing these days aren't they?

I think you've missed a word out somewhere.

I think I get the sentiment though, and I'm inclined to agree :lol: Rumours regarding two items that aren't that interesting, and have already been announced, don't exactly fill me with excitement.

I'm waiting on new iPad time personally...

:lol: yeah the word was boring
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: cubaricho on Tuesday 21 December 2010, 06:56:34 AM
Does anyone have or have had an issue with itunes crashing when you drag a movie over to it and it is just about to finish syncing?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Tuesday 21 December 2010, 10:30:15 AM
Not the most  helpful post but, no.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Magpie on Tuesday 21 December 2010, 08:30:56 PM
As seen on Top Gear!!

http://ardroneparrotreview.com/tag/ipad-a-r-drone-helicopter-with-camera/
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 6 January 2011, 12:21:02 AM
For any Mac owners who's interested, the Mac App store is released today, 5pm UK time.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 6 January 2011, 09:33:36 AM
My next big technology purchase will be either an iMac or Macbook Pro I've decided.  When I will have the funds is another question.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 6 January 2011, 10:13:05 AM
For any Mac owners who's interested, the Mac App store is released today, 5pm UK time.

Oh aye, cheers, forgot about that. Not sure what apps will be there like, but I'll have a look.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 6 January 2011, 10:55:26 PM
The total package of iWork is available for less than £36, considering it costs over £75 for the box version, and about £60 if you buy it with a Mac, I think it's pretty good. Microsoft office costs about £79.99.

This Mac App store may just be the bees knees.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 7 January 2011, 01:03:04 AM
I guess I should download this app store s*** then. I'm not too arsed though I must say...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: KDT on Friday 7 January 2011, 08:16:18 AM
Had a quick look at it, seem to be quite a few decent things for it although some seem to have been around for a while just obviously not available directly from Apple before.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: toonlass on Friday 7 January 2011, 11:31:47 AM
Bought a MacBook Air in November and its fantastic. Will never go back to a PC.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 7 January 2011, 02:35:59 PM
Bought a MacBook Air in November and its fantastic. Will never go back to a PC.

Nobody ever does.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 7 January 2011, 04:10:59 PM
... Some people do.

I won't, but it's been useful having a work laptop which is windows. Every so often there is a task that is just easier to achieve on windows. Normally something stupid like upgrading firmware on a hard drive with special seagate software for only windows.

Plus I'm sure someone said they were going back for expense reasons. I wonder how that'll go.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Friday 7 January 2011, 05:32:08 PM
I've not only got a Mac but have since converted the missus. She likes the interchangeable charger.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 7 January 2011, 10:21:10 PM
... Some people do.

I won't, but it's been useful having a work laptop which is windows. Every so often there is a task that is just easier to achieve on windows. Normally something stupid like upgrading firmware on a hard drive with special seagate software for only windows.

Plus I'm sure someone said they were going back for expense reasons. I wonder how that'll go.

Oh yeah, totally understand stuff like that, I use a PC for work as well.

All I'm saying is that I wouldn't use one again out of choice, and I wouldn't buy one for personal use.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 7 January 2011, 11:54:11 PM
I've had mine for about a week now. Seems pretty good so far. The build quality seems to be nothing like any other PC manufacturer would offer.

I plan on having this for about 5 years, so in that time I of course don't intend to ever go back to Windows.

At this moment in time though I just can't see anything being able to be compared to Mac in terms of build quality of OS.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Weezertron on Friday 7 January 2011, 11:59:07 PM
I've had my iMac for 4 years now. It's still so fast & so clean. I love it.

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 11 January 2011, 04:10:16 PM
Verizomg
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 02:56:58 PM
Reeeeet...

Got iPod/iPhone problemos, on my iPod in only getting sound out of one earphone (have tried with several different pairs of earphones & the mp3 connector in the car). Also, on my iPhone the sound is significantly quieter through one earphone.

Anything I can do to fix these?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 03:09:41 PM
http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/gadget-news/mini-apple-iphone-rumoured

Mini Apple iPhone rumoured
The Gadget Show  Tuesday 15 February 2011

Is Apple about to downsize the iPhone?

Apple must really be feeling left out of the Mobile World Congress fun, as the latest iPhone rumour to cross our path seems to be one of the most outlandish yet.

Still, it’s from the Wall Street Journal, so we need to take it fairly seriously. According to the WSJ, Cupertino is not far from releasing a mini iPhone – one that’s about half the size of the current iPhone 4, and a good bit cheaper to boot.

The story claims that Apple is looking to increase its sales and widen the scope of its smartphone presence, especially with Google’s Android increasingly dominating at the lower end of the market.

Unlike the current iPhone, the mini version would be heavily network-subsidised, creating the never-before-seen scenario of an iPhone going for free on relatively cheap contracts.

That all said, there’s little evidence in anything we’ve seen so far in the iPhone’s lifetime that Apple is in any way thinking of launching a second model, especially one that dilutes the iPhone’s high-end appeal. We’ll not cast a final judgement just yet, but even the esteemed WSJ gets things wrong sometimes.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 03:24:30 PM
I would snap that mini iPhone up in a flash... I don't think they will produce it though.

They make the most expensive computers, tablets, phones and laptops. They refused to make a netbook and instead came out with a MacBook Air that cost a grand.

I would be very surprised if Apple change their stance on the iPhone - premium products and premium prices are what have made them their billions.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 04:15:55 PM
nee chance. Just standard s**** Apple rumours.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:05:22 PM
Reeeeet...

Got iPod/iPhone problemos, on my iPod in only getting sound out of one earphone (have tried with several different pairs of earphones & the mp3 connector in the car). Also, on my iPhone the sound is significantly quieter through one earphone.

Anything I can do to fix these?
Problem with the actual headphone jack, i went on the apple site and they replaced it for me straight out, new for old!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: NewBoyPeetah on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:08:55 PM
Reeeeet...

Got iPod/iPhone problemos, on my iPod in only getting sound out of one earphone (have tried with several different pairs of earphones & the mp3 connector in the car). Also, on my iPhone the sound is significantly quieter through one earphone.

Anything I can do to fix these?
Problem with the actual headphone jack, i went on the apple site and they replaced it for me straight out, new for old!

Was that for the iPhone? I have problems with my headphone jack. Rotating the lead makes it louder/quit.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:09:48 PM
That rumour has been pinched from a reliable unreliable source, just a repeat of it to be honest. They have brought a rumour out today that the ordianary sized iPhone 5 will have a 4 inch screen.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:10:27 PM
I think it's a common problem with various iDevices, where the headphone port becomes loose. Whether it's deemed to be a flaw that is fixed out/in warranty, I dunno. Contact Apple / book genius appointment and goto Apple Store.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:10:31 PM
Reeeeet...

Got iPod/iPhone problemos, on my iPod in only getting sound out of one earphone (have tried with several different pairs of earphones & the mp3 connector in the car). Also, on my iPhone the sound is significantly quieter through one earphone.

Anything I can do to fix these?
Problem with the actual headphone jack, i went on the apple site and they replaced it for me straight out, new for old!

Was that for the iPhone? I have problems with my headphone jack. Rotating the lead makes it louder/quit.
Thats the headphones lead problem.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:10:36 PM
Reeeeet...

Got iPod/iPhone problemos, on my iPod in only getting sound out of one earphone (have tried with several different pairs of earphones & the mp3 connector in the car). Also, on my iPhone the sound is significantly quieter through one earphone.

Anything I can do to fix these?
Problem with the actual headphone jack, i went on the apple site and they replaced it for me straight out, new for old!

Was that for the iPhone? I have problems with my headphone jack. Rotating the lead makes it louder/quit.
Oh no, iPod Touch think it was a known fault on the earlier ones.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: NewBoyPeetah on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:14:01 PM
Really I should try some different headphones and if the problem is still there head to the apple store. Or failing that turn it off and on :)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:35:32 PM
My phone when on silent keeps on turning itself on and off (the silent) so it lights up and then goes back off. If i press in the top left corner i can manually make it do it rather use the button. Before my contract runs out i'll have to get this fixed.

What would happen if i got a replacement phone, would i lose all my apps or with my itunes thingy know i've got a new device?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: High Five o/ on Tuesday 15 February 2011, 05:56:05 PM
My phone when on silent keeps on turning itself on and off (the silent) so it lights up and then goes back off. If i press in the top left corner i can manually make it do it rather use the button. Before my contract runs out i'll have to get this fixed.

What would happen if i got a replacement phone, would i lose all my apps or with my itunes thingy know i've got a new device?

No problem, itunes will back it up, and just register you have a new phone.
Then you get to choose if you want to start from scratch or get the same setup as your old.

That what happen when i lost my old one a couple of years ago at least.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 04:49:56 AM
question for SEMTEX/Stifler(?): what would be the projection for release of iPhone 5?  4 is less than a year old right, so they'll probably release a 2nd version of that (a la 3gs) before hitting up 5

trying to judge whether to shell out on an officially unlocked 4 now or not to replace this android shitheap
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: kingkerouac on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 08:40:50 AM
They downsized the iPod from a £400+ device to a smaller device within a few years, so as a longtime (20+ years) Apple user, I'd say they are definitely planning it.
Think about it, Android is now the most used OS. But Android is loaded onto quite a lot of companies' phones. Apple need to take on the cheap/small end of the market.
Apple know what they are doing. Everybody else, let's face it, just copys them.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 12:51:50 PM
I don't think Apple need to take on the cheap end to be honest. I think they've no interest in diluting their brand in that manner. The cheaper iPhone option = the previous model of iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 01:09:03 PM
Apple make their profits on margin, not totally on mass quantity of sale as well.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 01:42:59 PM
I can't see them making a cheaper iPhone except as part of the natural reduction in technology prices over time.

They have stubbornly resisted the pressure to reduce the prices/specs of their computers for a long time... I think the iPod range is an exception because they used it to hook people into the concept of MP3 players and to appeal to younger buyers.

I'd be happy to be wrong because I'd like a cheaper iPhone, but no chance of it happening IMO.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: kingkerouac on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 01:49:03 PM
Mind you, now that Jobbsy's on sick leave (or pre-extended wake), the business heads left behind may well go for numbers over quality. Who knows.
I think they will release an iPhone lite though, I dunno why, just a feeling.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: kingkerouac on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 01:57:08 PM
Also they are apparently working on new features for MobileMe, which would involve media being uploaded to a server and then streamed to the device.
All the talk about the Iphone lite mentions that it will lack a drive/storage and will work as a stream only phone. They are still selling 32GB iPhones,
so unless the iPhone 5 has no on-board storage, the rumours could well prove to be right.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 01:59:54 PM
Mind you, now that Jobbsy's on sick leave (or pre-extended wake), the business heads left behind may well go for numbers over quality. Who knows.
I think they will release an iPhone lite though, I dunno why, just a feeling.

The last time that the apple board went behind Steve Jobs back, it led to their worst ever period as a business.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 02:56:38 PM
Working on cloud computing is in no way indicative of making a brand new lesser product. The standard 32GB iPhone could well benefit from any cloud based implementations, as could any Mac or PC. I think it's just people making up rumours based on absolutely nothing. As per usual.

I'd bet my pint of p*ss on it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 03:06:58 PM
I think the potential cloud-based services is good, but they're a long way away from replacing content stored on the handset itself.

Even just the increased data traffic would be a major problem for operators, they're already cutting their 'unlimited data' plans to 500MB in a lot of cases.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 03:49:04 PM
Cloud based phone's will not work properly until you get a bloody decent signal and a decent allowance imo.  You still need a decent amount of storage imo, and cloud based services should be on top of that.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 03:50:36 PM
I think the potential cloud-based services is good, but they're a long way away from replacing content stored on the handset itself.

Even just the increased data traffic would be a major problem for operators, they're already cutting their 'unlimited data' plans to 500MB in a lot of cases.

They are not prepared to invest in the networks ffs, I've seen some figures but investment in 3G has went down despite the explosion of people using mobile internet.  Three despite being a s*** network is offering unlimited data (fair play in use as always though).
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 03:53:13 PM
THE CLOUD is in no way ready to be relied upon yet, but they're right to be preparing for that s*** / considering how it should be utilised.

I went to a conference at MS HQ a few weeks ago about cloud computing. It was f***ing wild.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 03:55:45 PM
any of you know-it-all pricks wanna answer my question earlier on this page please?

for f***s sake!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 03:59:00 PM
Wait till summer
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 04:00:55 PM
THE CLOUD is in no way ready to be relied upon yet, but they're right to be preparing for that s*** / considering how it should be utilised.

I went to a conference at MS HQ a few weeks ago about cloud computing. It was f***ing wild.

Cloud is the future, but your right we are no-where near that.   But there are cloud based services already being utilised.  i.e. Gmail is being widely used within businesses now as it's a hell damn cheaper and more reliable than having an exchange mail farm.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 04:01:21 PM
any of you know-it-all pricks wanna answer my question earlier on this page please?

for f***s sake!
Yeh, that's the way to get a question answered...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 04:01:53 PM
My exchange server keeps me employed like. Stupid piece of s***.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 04:06:47 PM
Wait till summer

much obliged!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 04:07:32 PM
any of you know-it-all pricks wanna answer my question earlier on this page please?

for f***s sake!
Yeh, that's the way to get a question answered...

he he, worked, unless he's stitching me up 'cause of how i asked the question ???
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 04:07:52 PM
My exchange server keeps me employed like. Stupid piece of s***.

:) I've just done a review of ours and it concluded it was s*** and costing too much $$$.  We could save £1M a year just switching to Gmail.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 05:07:16 PM
question for SEMTEX/Stifler(?): what would be the projection for release of iPhone 5?  4 is less than a year old right, so they'll probably release a 2nd version of that (a la 3gs) before hitting up 5

trying to judge whether to shell out on an officially unlocked 4 now or not to replace this android shitheap
Expect an announcement in June, with the pre-orders and release date in July, as last year.

Sorry for the delay, I've only been on the football section when I've been on and I've been at work and away from the computer/iPhone.

If you can hold on then hold on, if not then go for it.

Anymore questions then just PM me.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 16 February 2011, 05:12:33 PM
Cloud is still a while away, it maybe the future but I would say 7-10 years yet. At the moment people are content with a external hard drives, and 3G is noway reliable or widespread enough and 4G is also a while away.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 17 February 2011, 04:29:42 AM
question for SEMTEX/Stifler(?): what would be the projection for release of iPhone 5?  4 is less than a year old right, so they'll probably release a 2nd version of that (a la 3gs) before hitting up 5

trying to judge whether to shell out on an officially unlocked 4 now or not to replace this android shitheap
Expect an announcement in June, with the pre-roders and release date in July, as last year.

Sorry for the delay, I've only been on the football section when I've been on and I've been at work and away from the computer/iPhone.

If you can hold on then hold on, if not then go for it.

Anymore questions then just PM me.

:thup:

sounds good, i can hang on as i'll no doubt be bouncing around in this shithole 'til then anyways, might as well have a bit of rope and 2 tin cans here tbh
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 17 February 2011, 09:33:35 AM
My contract for the 3GS expires in June, so I'll be due a customer-exploiting massively-overprice upgrade by then!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Thursday 17 February 2011, 01:33:49 PM
Went to the Apple store earlier on, got quoted a price of £85 to replace my faulty iPod with a new one.

Might just go for that.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 24 February 2011, 02:00:31 PM
New MBPs announced.

Apple Updates MacBook Pro with Next Generation Processors, Graphics & Thunderbolt I/O Technology

CUPERTINO, California-February 24, 2011-Apple® today updated the industry-leading MacBook® Pro family with next generation processors and graphics, high-speed Thunderbolt I/O technology and a new FaceTime® HD camera. Featuring the very latest dual-core and quad-core Intel Core processors, the entire MacBook Pro line is up to twice as fast as the previous generation.*

"The new MacBook Pro brings next generation dual and quad Core processors, high performance graphics, Thunderbolt technology and FaceTime HD to the great design loved by our pro customers," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "Thunderbolt is a revolutionary new I/O technology that delivers an amazing 10 gigabits per second and can support every important I/O standard which is ideal for the new MacBook Pro."

Starting at $1,199 the new 13-inch MacBook Pro offers amazing value and performance in a compact design. The highly portable 13-inch MacBook Pro features Intel Core i5 and Core i7 dual-core processors up to 2.7 GHz and Intel HD Graphics 3000. The powerful 15-inch and 17-inch MacBook Pro models feature quad-core Core i7 processors up to 2.3 GHz and AMD Radeon HD graphics processors with up to 1GB of video memory for high performance gaming, pro video editing and graphics intensive applications.

MacBook Pro is the first computer on the market to include the groundbreaking Thunderbolt I/O technology. Developed by Intel with collaboration from Apple, Thunderbolt enables expandability never before possible on a notebook computer. Featuring two bi-directional channels with transfer speeds up to an amazing 10Gbps each, Thunderbolt delivers PCI Express directly to external high performance peripherals such as RAID arrays, and can support FireWire and USB consumer devices and Gigabit Ethernet networks via adapters. Thunderbolt also supports DisplayPort for high resolution displays and works with existing adapters for HDMI, DVI and VGA displays. Freely available for implementation on systems, cables and devices, Thunderbolt technology is expected to be widely adopted as a new standard for high performance I/O.

The MacBook Pro now includes a built-in FaceTime HD camera with triple the resolution of the previous generation for crisp, widescreen video calls. With Apple's innovative FaceTime video calling software, the new camera allows high definition video calls between all new MacBook Pro models and supports standard resolution calls with other Intel-based Macs, iPhone® 4 and the current generation iPod touch®. FaceTime is included with all new MacBook Pro models and is available for other Intel-based Macs from the Mac® App Store℠ for 99 cents. The MacBook Pro lineup continues to feature its gorgeous aluminum unibody enclosure, glass Multi-Touch™ trackpad, LED-backlit widescreen display, illuminated full-size keyboard and 7-hour battery.**

As the industry's greenest notebook lineup, every Mac notebook achieves EPEAT Gold status and meets Energy Star 5.0 requirements, setting the standard for environmentally friendly notebook design.*** Each unibody enclosure is made of highly recyclable aluminum and comes standard with energy efficient LED-backlit displays that are mercury-free and made with arsenic-free glass. Mac notebooks contain no brominated flame retardants, are PVC-free and are constructed with recyclable materials.

Every Mac comes with Mac OS® X Snow Leopard®, the world's most advanced operating system, and iLife®, Apple's innovative suite of applications for creating and sharing great photos, movies and music. Snow Leopard builds on more than a decade of innovation and includes multiple features for portable computing such as Multi-Touch navigation, advanced wireless networking, easy file sharing, automated data backup and intelligent power management. The new iLife '11 features iPhoto® with stunning full screen views for browsing, editing and sharing photos; iMovie® with powerful easy-to-use tools to transform home videos into fun theatrical trailers; and GarageBand® with new ways to improve your playing and create great sounding songs.

Pricing & Availability
The new 13-inch MacBook Pro, 15-inch MacBook Pro and 17-inch MacBook Pro are available through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com), Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. The 13-inch MacBook Pro is available in two configurations: one with a 2.3 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 and 320GB hard drive starting at $1,199; and one with a 2.7 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 and 500GB hard drive starting at $1,499. The new 15-inch MacBook Pro is available in two models: one with a 2.0 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon HD 6490M and 500GB hard drive starting at $1,799 and one with a 2.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon HD 6750M and 750GB hard drive starting at $2,199. The new 17-inch MacBook Pro features a 2.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon HD 6750M and 750GB hard drive and is priced at $2,499.

Configure-to-order options include faster quad-core processors up to 2.3 GHz, additional hard drive capacity up to 750GB, solid state storage up to 512GB, more memory up to 8GB DDR3, antiglare and high-resolution display options and AppleCare® Protection Plan. Additional technical specifications and configure-to-order options and accessories are available online at www.apple.com/macbookpro.

*Testing conducted by Apple in February 2011 using preproduction MacBook Pro configurations. For more information visit www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html.

**The new Wireless Web protocol testing was conducted by Apple in February 2011 using preproduction MacBook Pro configurations. Battery life and charge cycles vary by use and settings. For more information visit www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html.

***EPEAT is an independent organization that helps customers compare the environmental performance of notebooks and desktops. Products meeting all of the 23 required criteria and at least 75 percent of the optional criteria are recognized as EPEAT Gold products. The EPEAT program was conceived by the US EPA and is based on IEEE 1680 standard for Environmental Assessment of Personal Computer Products. For more information visit www.epeat.net.

Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork, and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple is reinventing the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced its magical iPad which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 24 February 2011, 02:57:55 PM
I've had my iMac for 4 years now. It's still so fast & so clean. I love it.

They last amazing well, my MacBook is over 5 years old now and works fantastically. Had upgraded RAM and a new hard drive like, but still.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: kirkwdavis2001 on Thursday 24 February 2011, 04:37:59 PM
New MBPs announced.

Apple Updates MacBook Pro with Next Generation Processors, Graphics & Thunderbolt I/O Technology

CUPERTINO, California-February 24, 2011-Apple® today updated the industry-leading MacBook® Pro family with next generation processors and graphics, high-speed Thunderbolt I/O technology and a new FaceTime® HD camera. Featuring the very latest dual-core and quad-core Intel Core processors, the entire MacBook Pro line is up to twice as fast as the previous generation.*

"The new MacBook Pro brings next generation dual and quad Core processors, high performance graphics, Thunderbolt technology and FaceTime HD to the great design loved by our pro customers," said Philip Schiller, Apple's senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing. "Thunderbolt is a revolutionary new I/O technology that delivers an amazing 10 gigabits per second and can support every important I/O standard which is ideal for the new MacBook Pro."

Starting at $1,199 the new 13-inch MacBook Pro offers amazing value and performance in a compact design. The highly portable 13-inch MacBook Pro features Intel Core i5 and Core i7 dual-core processors up to 2.7 GHz and Intel HD Graphics 3000. The powerful 15-inch and 17-inch MacBook Pro models feature quad-core Core i7 processors up to 2.3 GHz and AMD Radeon HD graphics processors with up to 1GB of video memory for high performance gaming, pro video editing and graphics intensive applications.

MacBook Pro is the first computer on the market to include the groundbreaking Thunderbolt I/O technology. Developed by Intel with collaboration from Apple, Thunderbolt enables expandability never before possible on a notebook computer. Featuring two bi-directional channels with transfer speeds up to an amazing 10Gbps each, Thunderbolt delivers PCI Express directly to external high performance peripherals such as RAID arrays, and can support FireWire and USB consumer devices and Gigabit Ethernet networks via adapters. Thunderbolt also supports DisplayPort for high resolution displays and works with existing adapters for HDMI, DVI and VGA displays. Freely available for implementation on systems, cables and devices, Thunderbolt technology is expected to be widely adopted as a new standard for high performance I/O.

The MacBook Pro now includes a built-in FaceTime HD camera with triple the resolution of the previous generation for crisp, widescreen video calls. With Apple's innovative FaceTime video calling software, the new camera allows high definition video calls between all new MacBook Pro models and supports standard resolution calls with other Intel-based Macs, iPhone® 4 and the current generation iPod touch®. FaceTime is included with all new MacBook Pro models and is available for other Intel-based Macs from the Mac® App Store℠ for 99 cents. The MacBook Pro lineup continues to feature its gorgeous aluminum unibody enclosure, glass Multi-Touch™ trackpad, LED-backlit widescreen display, illuminated full-size keyboard and 7-hour battery.**

As the industry's greenest notebook lineup, every Mac notebook achieves EPEAT Gold status and meets Energy Star 5.0 requirements, setting the standard for environmentally friendly notebook design.*** Each unibody enclosure is made of highly recyclable aluminum and comes standard with energy efficient LED-backlit displays that are mercury-free and made with arsenic-free glass. Mac notebooks contain no brominated flame retardants, are PVC-free and are constructed with recyclable materials.

Every Mac comes with Mac OS® X Snow Leopard®, the world's most advanced operating system, and iLife®, Apple's innovative suite of applications for creating and sharing great photos, movies and music. Snow Leopard builds on more than a decade of innovation and includes multiple features for portable computing such as Multi-Touch navigation, advanced wireless networking, easy file sharing, automated data backup and intelligent power management. The new iLife '11 features iPhoto® with stunning full screen views for browsing, editing and sharing photos; iMovie® with powerful easy-to-use tools to transform home videos into fun theatrical trailers; and GarageBand® with new ways to improve your playing and create great sounding songs.

Pricing & Availability
The new 13-inch MacBook Pro, 15-inch MacBook Pro and 17-inch MacBook Pro are available through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com), Apple's retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. The 13-inch MacBook Pro is available in two configurations: one with a 2.3 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 and 320GB hard drive starting at $1,199; and one with a 2.7 GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i5 and 500GB hard drive starting at $1,499. The new 15-inch MacBook Pro is available in two models: one with a 2.0 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon HD 6490M and 500GB hard drive starting at $1,799 and one with a 2.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon HD 6750M and 750GB hard drive starting at $2,199. The new 17-inch MacBook Pro features a 2.2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon HD 6750M and 750GB hard drive and is priced at $2,499.

Configure-to-order options include faster quad-core processors up to 2.3 GHz, additional hard drive capacity up to 750GB, solid state storage up to 512GB, more memory up to 8GB DDR3, antiglare and high-resolution display options and AppleCare® Protection Plan. Additional technical specifications and configure-to-order options and accessories are available online at www.apple.com/macbookpro.

*Testing conducted by Apple in February 2011 using preproduction MacBook Pro configurations. For more information visit www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html.

**The new Wireless Web protocol testing was conducted by Apple in February 2011 using preproduction MacBook Pro configurations. Battery life and charge cycles vary by use and settings. For more information visit www.apple.com/macbookpro/features.html.

***EPEAT is an independent organization that helps customers compare the environmental performance of notebooks and desktops. Products meeting all of the 23 required criteria and at least 75 percent of the optional criteria are recognized as EPEAT Gold products. The EPEAT program was conceived by the US EPA and is based on IEEE 1680 standard for Environmental Assessment of Personal Computer Products. For more information visit www.epeat.net.

Apple designs Macs, the best personal computers in the world, along with OS X, iLife, iWork, and professional software. Apple leads the digital music revolution with its iPods and iTunes online store. Apple is reinventing the mobile phone with its revolutionary iPhone and App Store, and has recently introduced its magical iPad which is defining the future of mobile media and computing devices.

Going to get the new top end 15"'er as soon as they have them in. Spoke to the Apple store @ The Bullring but they've not got them in yet :(

My old Mac's are on eBay at the moment if anyone is interested:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk:80/kirkdavis1978/m.html?_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 3 March 2011, 08:14:05 PM
 All in all it wasn't worth waiting for all of those who did wait.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 3 March 2011, 08:15:08 PM
For those of you who want a MBP or are thinking about getting one, this here is the biggest bargain you will see for years.

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/specialdeals/mac/macbook_pro/13?mco=MjEwNzM3OTQ
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: PCW1983 on Friday 4 March 2011, 09:58:29 AM
Dear lord, for me to buy the equivalent Macbook pro to replace my 2 year old version it would be £2099!!  Im not looking to just looked out of interest, crazy money!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: fuhg on Thursday 10 March 2011, 07:39:16 AM
Me and the lass are thinking about picking up an iMac. Are there meant to be any updates for those coming soon?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Weezertron on Thursday 10 March 2011, 08:42:39 AM
http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
Handy for wanting to know whether to buy.

Don't buy!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: kingkerouac on Thursday 10 March 2011, 05:22:02 PM
Though Apple do tend to implement advanced/new technologies before other companies. e.g The mouse, USB, removal of floppy drives, firewire, thunderbolt etc
So I would assume if the latest rumours are correct that Mobile Me is changing to a cloud based system, then we could see Apple push this technology sooner rather than later.
But a couple of you guys are right, the service providers in the UK are way behind the curve, using the economic transfer (correct title for credit crunch, as we are essentially transferring our assets to the Tories/Bankers) as a cover/excuse to ratchet down investment. c***s...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 10 March 2011, 06:01:29 PM
Me and the lass are thinking about picking up an iMac. Are there meant to be any updates for those coming soon?
Apart from a new OS coming out in the summer I can't see anything that they could add to make it a better machine. The only additions I can see them making is switching processor which won't really be noticeable, and putting in a Thunderbolt port, both of which I would and could happily live without.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 10 March 2011, 06:17:09 PM
Given that all the 15 inch MBPs are now all quad core, I think the bump in processor for the current i3 iMacs would definitely be worth waiting for.

You know stifler, just because you've got your mac now, it doesn't mean all progression from this point on isn't worthwhile :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 15 March 2011, 09:14:36 PM
Prob a fake like but impressive all the same, sorry if i cant put this here.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_HUYi9aVvI&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_HUYi9aVvI&feature=player_embedded)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 15 March 2011, 09:51:33 PM
It's definitely fake considering that the iPhone's headphone jack doesn't transmit video... Also, I suppose the technology may be different now, but I'm sure, up to a few years ago at least, that video boards like those in TS are opperated over a LAN rather than a wireless network, so it wouldn't be possible to interupt them via wi-fi anyway.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: PCW1983 on Monday 21 March 2011, 10:39:26 PM
More so as a general bump for people but there is a new update for the Mac OS X now available, 314MB.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Tuesday 22 March 2011, 09:01:46 AM
Just bought a White MacBook off a mate. Still waiting for the c*** to give me the charger for it tho.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: magpie418 on Tuesday 22 March 2011, 09:13:47 AM
if some of you don't know, a good place to get (legit) software is macupdate.com

They do specials every-now-and-then including this (https://www.mupromo.com/?ref=9437) bundle (which is canny indeed).

Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 26 March 2011, 08:54:30 AM
any highly recommended apps/games etc. for iPhone then?  cheers in advance
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 01:08:47 AM
any highly recommended apps/games etc. for iPhone then?  cheers in advance
Flight control, 59p.
Traffic rush, free.
Angry birds, 59p.
SSN football score centre, free.
Pano (lets you take different pictures and make one panoramic picture. Unsure on the price.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 01:18:03 AM
Dropbox is quite useful
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 01:22:46 AM
any highly recommended apps/games etc. for iPhone then?  cheers in advance

I love Civilization Revolution, play at least one full game a day.

Here's some of the games i've got:

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,56316.msg2379053.html#msg2379053
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 03:47:22 AM
nice one :thup:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Delima on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 08:03:51 AM
Appbox pro - 1 USD app bundle that contains a wide variety of apps like currency converter, unit converter, alarm, battery life, google apps, password protected wallet tostore sensitive login details etc

Dropbox - free 2 gigabytes cloud sync app. I use this to sync my files across iPhone, iPad n laptop

Skype - free VoIP software

Facebook - allows better manoeuvre of Facebook on a small screen

Instapaper - 5 USD app that allows you to read webpages offline. Automatic sync between cloud (firefox n chrome), iPhone n iPad

Icabmobile - paid, a better, more functional browser than safari

Camcard - paid, a business card reader that captures card image than recognise/store the info electronically. Data can be exported

Gcontact lite - free. Native iPhone contact app would not let you group your contacts. You can use gcontact to classify your contacts

Receipt - 5 USD, allow u to take photo of receipts, manually key in info, then export in email that includes excel report n accompanying receipts

Various dictionaries - self explanatory

Various travel guides - self explanatory

Various news app - self explanatory. I recommend BBC, free, comprehensive n offline reading available

If you are a frequent flyer - tripit can be handy, so are various flight booking apps

I use native iOS notes app to construct my todo list n take notes. Some may recommend u ever ores but I think unless you pay heftily for the offline service it isn't really useful

I use native iOS mail app to operate my company mail n personal yahoo mail

I use native iOS clock app to set alarm clocks

I used to use native iOS camera app to take pictures, but the electronic shutter has now ceased to open. So I've downloaded other free camera app which ironically could still open the shutter n take pictures

I use my bank app for Internet banking

iPhone has significantly improved my productivity n life. Before iphone4 i was usibg nikia black n yellow. I used to think that those who buy latest iPhones have too much money. But now I understand how wrong I was.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Coco on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 04:57:56 PM
Any word on when the next gen of iPhone is due?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:05:33 PM
Due to the Worldwide Developer Conference in June being announced as iOS & Mac OS centric, everyone is now thinking iPhone announcement may be delayed until Autumn with a Winter release.

Nothing too certain, but there are a fair few people (who have previously been accurate) behind that hypothesis.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:13:51 PM
Due to the Worldwide Developer Conference in June being announced as iOS & Mac OS centric, everyone is now thinking iPhone announcement may be delayed until Autumn with a Winter release.

Nothing too certain, but there are a fair few people (who have previously been accurate) behind that hypothesis.

Semtex has pretty much summed it up, see below for more info.

http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=14482
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:26:12 PM
I'm due an upgrade on my contract in June, hmmm...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:27:48 PM
If you like touch screens there isn't a fault with the iPhone, so do it.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:36:21 PM
I've already got an iPhone (3GS), just not sure what to when contract runs out. Whether to wait for next version or get iPhone4.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:37:27 PM
I'm due an upgrade on my contract in June, hmmm...

I'd hang on tbh.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:38:21 PM
I'd wait for the new version now. Too far along the cycle to buy an iPhone 4 now unless you're really desperate.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 05:38:26 PM
If you like touch screens there isn't a fault with the iPhone, so do it.
It'd be daft to get an iPhone 4 in June, there'll be significantly better Android phones out by then.
If, however, Apple gets iPhone 5 out by then, and it's a decent upgrade on 4 (which by all accounts it should be, considering how much better other phones have become the last 12 months), then he should be considering an iPhone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 29 March 2011, 10:22:43 PM
I'm due an upgrade in the summer as well, but I'll be waiting for the next iPhone.

I wanted to skip this version (3GS) originally, but I dropped my original iPhone and smashed it. Fingers crossed that won't happen again!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 30 March 2011, 02:02:19 PM
Any of you iPhone types play the world-beating game that is... Words with Friends? aka Scrabble?

I need more opponents.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Wednesday 30 March 2011, 02:23:35 PM
Yessss, though i'm not great at it.

'Shola Ameobi's Mask' is my handle.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 30 March 2011, 02:33:21 PM
I was the dogs bollocks at Scrabble in Swedish a while ago, but I'm utter s**** at it English, so wouldn't be any point in even trying to go up against you lot.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 30 March 2011, 02:33:26 PM
Consider yourself challenged.

Mohair.

Take that s***.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Fugazi on Wednesday 30 March 2011, 02:35:29 PM
 A solid start indeed...
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 31 March 2011, 07:06:51 PM
f***ing get in there. http://www.macgasm.net/2011/03/31/glasses-free-3d-reality-existing-ios-devices/

it's the f***ing future.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 31 March 2011, 07:10:07 PM
Never real.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 31 March 2011, 07:11:52 PM
so cynical
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Tuesday 12 April 2011, 11:47:43 PM
Just started using Spaces with Expose, can't believe I've had my Macbook for 9 months without taking advantage of the feature, its proper class.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: colinmk on Tuesday 12 April 2011, 11:53:16 PM
Just started using Spaces with Expose, can't believe I've had my Macbook for 9 months without taking advantage of the feature, its proper class.

What the hell is this then?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 12 April 2011, 11:54:40 PM
:lol: it's basically multiple desktops

Goto sys prefs, select expose and spaces. Enable spaces.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Allmo on Wednesday 13 April 2011, 12:05:46 AM
:lol: it's basically multiple desktops

Goto sys prefs, select expose and spaces. Enable spaces.

With expose, just hoying the cursor into the bottom left of the screen makes it absolutely class for someone of a lazy and messy disposition.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Sunday 17 April 2011, 07:57:35 PM
I'm still on with my iPhone 3GS. I've never been able to get the bluetooth function on the phone to work- obviously I can switch it on but I can never detect other phones and nobody can detect mine. Was this a problem with the phone in general or do you think its just a problem with my individual handset?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Sunday 17 April 2011, 07:59:05 PM
I thought Bluetooth on iPhone was just for hands free.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Sunday 17 April 2011, 08:00:13 PM
I thought Bluetooth on iPhone was just for hands free.

I dont know tbh. On previous phones I always found bluetooth handy for sharing photos etc.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Dave on Sunday 17 April 2011, 08:00:49 PM
I thought Bluetooth on iPhone was just for hands free.

I dont know tbh. On previous phones I always found bluetooth handy for sharing photos etc.

Pretty sure on iPhone you can't do that kind of thing. As standard anyway. Might be wrong.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BooBoo on Sunday 17 April 2011, 08:01:46 PM
I thought Bluetooth on iPhone was just for hands free.

I dont know tbh. On previous phones I always found bluetooth handy for sharing photos etc.

Pretty sure on iPhone you can't do that kind of thing.

Ah well, not the end of the world. I just always wondered if it was just a fault with my phone.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 17 April 2011, 08:04:01 PM
I thought Bluetooth on iPhone was just for hands free.

I dont know tbh. On previous phones I always found bluetooth handy for sharing photos etc.

Pretty sure on iPhone you can't do that kind of thing. As standard anyway. Might be wrong.

you're right
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Gash? on Sunday 17 April 2011, 08:07:24 PM
Just email tbh, easier.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Besty on Sunday 17 April 2011, 10:45:10 PM
Are we allowed to discuss jailbreak related things here?  :ninja:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 17 April 2011, 10:47:06 PM
Nowt illegal about jailbreaking like. Downloading pirated apps is probably not to be discussed I'd imagine.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Besty on Sunday 17 April 2011, 11:00:25 PM
Just about emulators, can't find any ROM repositorys for Cydia. :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: M4 on Monday 18 April 2011, 12:35:34 AM
Pretty sure on iPhone you can't do that kind of thing.

Ah well, not the end of the world. I just always wondered if it was just a fault with my phone.

Aha! Why the f*** not? Girlfriend got an iPhone 4 and I couldn't get the thing to to connect to my phone or her old one to save all her photos. Urgh contrary just for the sake of it!! :hmm:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 April 2011, 03:18:05 AM
So apparently iPhones have been tracking everyones whereabouts since forever. Obviously this is a great betrayal of trust and massive privacy issue.. but more importantly, there's a mac app that allows you to make a cooool map. Sweet.

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6048/screenshot20110420at101e.png)

Unfortunately, all my s*** got wiped late January, so this basically shows that I live near Philly and have been to DC and NY in the last 3 months. Oh well. Wish I had it for the last year.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Kaizero on Thursday 21 April 2011, 03:19:30 AM
What's the app?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 April 2011, 03:21:43 AM
http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/

Your iPhone or 3G-equipped iPad has been secretly recording your location for the past 10 months.

Wired.com can confirm that fact: The screengrab above shows a map containing drop pins of everywhere yours truly has been in the past year.

Software hackers Peter Warden and Alasdair Allen discovered an unencrypted file inside Apple’s iOS 4 software, storing a long list of locations accompanied with time stamps. The file is labeled “consolidated.db.”

“Ever since iOS 4 arrived, your device has been storing a long list of locations and time stamps,” Warden and Allen wrote. “We’re not sure why Apple is gathering this data, but it’s clearly intentional, as the database is being restored across backups, and even device migrations.”

Warden is providing an open source program “iPhone Tracker” for iPhone and 3G iPad customers to output their location file into an interactive map, like the one above, so they can see for themselves. All you have to do is plug in your iDevice through USB and run Warden’s application. The software requires OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard).

The iPhoneTracker application features a sliding bar for users to see where they were in specific times of the year.

Apple did not immediately respond to a request for a comment. Apple has not previously disclosed that iPhones and iPads are constantly tracking and storing user location.

The discovery is the latest in a series of alarming incidents that serve as cautionary tales about privacy in the always-connected mobile era.

Recently, German politician and privacy advocate Malte Spitz sued his phone carrier Deutsche Telekom to get every piece of information it had about him. The carrier delivered to him a gigantic file containing 35,000 data points of his location for six months. Later, a German publication plotted Spitz’s data onto an interactive map.

This iPhone and iPad privacy leak is eerily similar, and creepier, considering that Apple has sold over 100 million iPhones and 15 million iPads.

The location data stored inside “consolidated.db” cannot be accessed by Safari or any apps, said Charlie Miller, a security researcher known for discovering vulnerabilities in the iPhone. However, the data file is sensitive because a thief who gains physical access to an iPhone or iPad could look at the file and see everywhere a customer has been, or a hacker could remotely break in and read the file, Miller said.

It’s not simple for a hacker to remotely access an iPhone to get to that file. But in the past, Miller found an exploit that would allow a hacker to hijack an iPhone just by sending a text message to it containing malicious code. Apple later patched that exploit, but security researchers say there are plenty of vulnerabilities in the wild left unaddressed.

Sharon Nissim, consumer privacy counsel of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, said it is possible Apple is violating the Wireless Communications and Public Safety Act, which allows telecom carriers to provide call information only in emergency situations.

“By asking for permission to collect location data, Apple may be trying to get around its legal obligations, by asking people to give up privacy rights they don’t even know they have,” Nissim said.

She added that a potential privacy concern is that law enforcement would be able to subpoena these types of records from people’s iPhones or iPads.

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2011/04/iphone-tracks/
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Delima on Thursday 21 April 2011, 05:25:33 AM
Does the software only run on Mac OS ?

I can't seem to find a windows compliant software
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: wacko on Thursday 21 April 2011, 08:00:49 AM
Does the software only run on Mac OS ?

I can't seem to find a windows compliant software

Yup, Mac only. But if you go to the site, there are instructions on how to extract and read the file by hand. They should apply to Windows, too, if you can find the backup files.

This is definitely dodgy, but you have to remember that there's no indication that the data ever leaves your possession. Apps can't access them on a normal iPhone, but they could on a jailbroken one.

Any iOS malware that can root the phone could also access the data.

In fact, I'm going to dig out mine. Sounds quite interesting to have. Not happy to find Apple's doing it, though.

EDIT: Here's mine!

(http://momama.net/images/location.png)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: PCW1983 on Thursday 21 April 2011, 09:12:29 AM
I cant find the app in the Mac app store, has it been pulled?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 April 2011, 12:29:39 PM
Haha, this is not an Apple certified application. This is a program some guy has thrown together. The link was in the other post I made.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: Decky on Friday 22 April 2011, 02:31:39 PM
If your iPhone is still under warranty (and youre still under contract with O2), and it breaks, do you get a new one for free at the Apple store?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 22 April 2011, 02:37:51 PM
depends how it broke, but if it's less than a year old it'll still be covered under the iPhone 4 Applecare default limited warranty. I'd get yourself an Apple Store appointment.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 02:35:55 PM
SEMTEX (primarily) but anyone else with experience - what do you know about getting a macbook with windows to run on it?

thinking of doing it legally via apple, anything i need to know, goods/bads etc?

how does the virus side of things work?  does it make your whole macbook susceptible or just the windows bit (assume there's a partition or whatever...ahem)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Mugatu on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 02:49:11 PM
SEMTEX (primarily) but anyone else with experience - what do you know about getting a macbook with windows to run on it?

thinking of doing it legally via apple, anything i need to know, goods/bads etc?

how does the virus side of things work?  does it make your whole macbook susceptible or just the windows bit (assume there's a partition or whatever...ahem)

Never done it myself but think it's pretty straight forward. You run boot camp which partitions the harddrive so it's basically like having 2 computers in one. I'm guessing only the windows side of things would be liable to get a virus. (not that there aren't mac visuses of course).

In terms of downsides, you lose some hard drive space to the windows partition and will have to think ahead as to how much space you'll need for windows programs etc. Also your mac keyboard might have keys in different places to windows is expecting (@ symbol etc).
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 02:55:32 PM
hm, makes sense

f***ing annoying - the wife wants a mac and i want to ditch windows entirely but Korean websites are designed for Windows and IE - no matter wgar browser we use on my mac or what plugin we put in certain key websites just won't operate, i.e. we can't buy s*** we need

hence having to to have to devils OS

probably just gonna do it like :(
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:22:16 PM
It's a piece of p*ss. All you need to do is pop in the installation disc, Bootcamp does everything for you.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:27:59 PM
Do love that about Macs, same as with mounting on Macs. I had a Windows user whining about having to burn to a disc.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:33:25 PM
It's a piece of p*ss. All you need to do is pop in the installation disc, Bootcamp does everything for you.

not wondering if it's it's easy or not - wondering if there are any massive issues or pitfalls when they're actually installed alongside each other, that's all really

i mean windows can't even run right on a f***ing windows machine, there MUST be issues on macbooks no?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:37:01 PM
Not really. It's pretty much exactly the same as running it off a normal Windows-based machine - the fact that they're running alongside each other doesn't cause any issues.

EDIT: As for viruses, any viruses you obtain in Windows will only affect the windows operating environment AFAIK.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:37:43 PM
It will probably be a bit of a pain in the arse sometimes, but then that's what you get for using windows.

The one thing it shouldn't do is interfere with you Mac OSX installation.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:39:05 PM
might do it then ta lads

see what SEMTEX has got to say first like
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:41:09 PM
might do it then ta lads

see what SEMTEX has got to say first like

:lol:

Honestly, literally the only thing it can affect is the amount of space on your hard drive. The two operating systems run in entirely different ways, on partitions that are formatted differently, and as such are completely independent of one another.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:44:17 PM
might do it then ta lads

see what SEMTEX has got to say first like

:lol:

Honestly, literally the only thing it can affect is the amount of space on your hard drive. The two operating systems run in entirely different ways, on partitions that are formatted differently, and as such are completely independent of one another.

i just don't wanna go back man, been happy as larry these last 3 years windowless outside of work and i know for a f***ing fact i'm gonna spend half my life trying to fix problems with the f***er that i don't have to in osx

suppose it'll teach me for marrying a foreigner, should have aimed for jobs' daughter/wife instead
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 05:41:03 PM
My macbook pro overheats so much its not even funny, even with the fan running at max the temperature sometimes reach 75 degrees.

Whats up with that? Anyone have any idea what to do? Been thinking of opening it to clean out all dust that might be in the vent but scared I wont be able to put it back on or if thats the problem.

Its the first generations macbook pro from like 2007. Any ideas?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 11:25:12 PM
There'd be no risks to boot camp, but boot camp will require you boot into one os, then if u wanna swap, u restart your computer. Annoying and slow. If you literally just wanna use it for the odd Internet browsing sesh, I'd be inclined to look at parallels or vmware fusion... Or crossover? I forget all the options, but basically they allow you to boot into windows within an app on Mac os.. It will be slower however.

The only issues with installing windows is that it's slow.  Nothing else out of the ordinary.

My macbook pro overheats so much its not even funny, even with the fan running at max the temperature sometimes reach 75 degrees.

Whats up with that? Anyone have any idea what to do? Been thinking of opening it to clean out all dust that might be in the vent but scared I wont be able to put it back on or if thats the problem.

Its the first generations macbook pro from like 2007. Any ideas?

How'd you find out the temp of your MacBook? U feel the heat or just thru a diagnostic? Just that my gf's sister's fiancee recently had a faulty temperature sensor on the same gen of MacBook. It turned off all the time as a precaution when in fact it wasn't getting hot at all. Apple store replaced the part in store while he waited.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 11:26:19 PM
Oh, another option, u can get a firefox plugin called "ie tab", pretends to be ie within firefox,. Its mainly for web deelopers, but may be useful to you mojo
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 11:54:19 PM
hm, makes sense

f***ing annoying - the wife wants a mac and i want to ditch windows entirely but Korean websites are designed for Windows and IE - no matter wgar browser we use on my mac or what plugin we put in certain key websites just won't operate, i.e. we can't buy s*** we need

hence having to to have to devils OS

probably just gonna do it like :(
Could you not just download I.E. onto a Mac and do it from there, or does it have to be on a Mac OS, can't think why a website wouldn't show up for Mac's.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 27 April 2011, 12:14:56 AM
Semtex, theres a program called SMC FAN CONTROL.

Download it and you can control the fan and see the temperature. Right now Im running my fan on normal and its up at 68 degrees.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 27 April 2011, 12:45:12 AM
Oh, another option, u can get a firefox plugin called "ie tab", pretends to be ie within firefox,. Its mainly for web deelopers, but may be useful to you mojo

oooh hooo nice one SEMTEX i'll scope it out and give it a test on some of the sites

stifler - Korean sites for the wife, they just don't work when it comes to encryption especially and in a lot of cases they even just display badly
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 27 April 2011, 10:58:59 AM
Semtex, theres a program called SMC FAN CONTROL.

Download it and you can control the fan and see the temperature. Right now Im running my fan on normal and its up at 68 degrees.

Well that might be interesting from a diagnostic perspective, but I personally wouldn't go anywhere near trying to control my fan, seems like you're asking for trouble.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 27 April 2011, 11:05:04 AM
Semtex, theres a program called SMC FAN CONTROL.

Download it and you can control the fan and see the temperature. Right now Im running my fan on normal and its up at 68 degrees.

Well that might be interesting from a diagnostic perspective, but I personally wouldn't go anywhere near trying to control my fan, seems like you're asking for trouble.

I've not had problem with it at all, sure the fan if they stay on max will at some point stop working, but since I go often to Brazil at its like 40 degrees in the air I dont feel like having a 100degrees warm computer. So I increase the fan power there, and also depending on what material my computer is standing on. If its the sofa I have high, if its wood I have medium and if its an ice cold table or glass I use low.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: FrenchWilliam on Thursday 28 April 2011, 03:32:13 PM
Tracker thing for windows: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1141999
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Conjo on Tuesday 3 May 2011, 04:22:21 PM
Bought my first apple product on saturday. A 15" mbp, 2.2, 8g gb ram. Quite happy with it, but have to admit that I expected a bigger wow feeling than I got after hearing how f***ing awesome apple is while being quite contempt sitting behind a pc the last ~10 years. Still though, I get more impressed the more I use it and learn about it.

Then I find out there will be a new os coming out this summer today......is it cheap to upgrade?

Hopefully this will live for more than 1-2 years unlike my last three pcs have. If it makes it to year three without trouble, im a mac user for life.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 3 May 2011, 04:25:46 PM
With previous versions of Mac OS they've offered it for free to people who have recently bought a Mac. Those who have bought within a month or two IIRC.

The last version of Mac OS was dirt cheap, doubt the new one will be cheap though. Probably a few hundred dollars.

You could get it a lot free-er though.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 3 May 2011, 04:28:18 PM
Bought my first apple product on saturday. A 15" mbp, 2.2, 8g gb ram. Quite happy with it, but have to admit that I expected a bigger wow feeling than I got after hearing how f***ing awesome apple is while being quite contempt sitting behind a pc the last ~10 years. Still though, I get more impressed the more I use it and learn about it.

Then I find out there will be a new os coming out this summer today......is it cheap to upgrade?

Hopefully this will live for more than 1-2 years unlike my last three pcs have. If it makes it to year three without trouble, im a mac user for life.

It will last 5-8 years no problem at all I would think.

Mac OS upgrades are usually reasonably priced, the last one was about £25. They want to encourage people to always have the best experience I guess, so don't but massive financial barriers in the way of upgrading. They've already milked you when you bought the thing.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 4 May 2011, 12:13:22 AM
Bought my first apple product on saturday. A 15" mbp, 2.2, 8g gb ram. Quite happy with it, but have to admit that I expected a bigger wow feeling than I got after hearing how f***ing awesome apple is while being quite contempt sitting behind a pc the last ~10 years. Still though, I get more impressed the more I use it and learn about it.

Then I find out there will be a new os coming out this summer today......is it cheap to upgrade?

Hopefully this will live for more than 1-2 years unlike my last three pcs have. If it makes it to year three without trouble, im a mac user for life.

It will last 5-8 years no problem at all I would think.

Mac OS upgrades are usually reasonably priced, the last one was about £25. They want to encourage people to always have the best experience I guess, so don't but massive financial barriers in the way of upgrading. They've already milked you when you bought the thing.
The last one was £25 but that last upgrade was more on behind the scenes stuff. This one is more visual and more different, though it should still be fairly cheap compared to Windows updates. I would expect it to be around £99 max.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 4 May 2011, 09:23:24 AM
Ah right, £99 is steeper than I expected, can't remember how much Tiger -> Leopard was.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 4 May 2011, 12:29:31 PM
29 quid for the last one, Leopard to Snow

can't see why they'd triple the price, personally waiting 'til they're releasing Pro's with Lion and bagging a new 'un
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 4 May 2011, 12:51:20 PM
Leopard and previous editions retailed for $129. Snow leopard was only $30 because it was deemed an evolution of Leopard. Lion will definitely cost more than that.

Oh, also, technically Snow Leopard is an 'upgrade' disk to Leopard... despite the fact u can install it fully with the SL disk
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 4 May 2011, 01:36:57 PM
When is Lion out?

"Summer 2011" according to apple.com.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 4 May 2011, 02:25:09 PM
Leopard and previous editions retailed for $129. Snow leopard was only $30 because it was deemed an evolution of Leopard. Lion will definitely cost more than that.

Oh, also, technically Snow Leopard is an 'upgrade' disk to Leopard... despite the fact u can install it fully with the SL disk

Stifler correct ish then, was my first upgrade and I clearly know f*** all :lol:
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Wednesday 11 May 2011, 02:41:40 PM
Anyone else having problems with an unresponsive 'home' button?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: BlueStar on Wednesday 11 May 2011, 03:41:04 PM
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/2265/photo14798243.png)
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 12 May 2011, 07:26:00 AM
Anyone else having problems with an unresponsive 'home' button?

yeah i had it with mine almost as soon as i got it, turns out it was fluuf/dust from my pocket getting in under the button

stick a vacuum cleaner at the end of the cable socket for a while, then brush it with a clean toothbrush, back to vacuum cleaner and repeat until it works

sorted mine out no bother
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: icemanblue on Thursday 12 May 2011, 09:35:18 AM
Anyone else having problems with an unresponsive 'home' button?

yeah i had it with mine almost as soon as i got it, turns out it was fluuf/dust from my pocket getting in under the button

stick a vacuum cleaner at the end of the cable socket for a while, then brush it with a clean toothbrush, back to vacuum cleaner and repeat until it works

sorted mine out no bother

Cracking, cheers. It's only an intermittent issue, but quite annoying!
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 12 May 2011, 09:38:54 AM
Anyone else having problems with an unresponsive 'home' button?

yeah i had it with mine almost as soon as i got it, turns out it was fluuf/dust from my pocket getting in under the button

stick a vacuum cleaner at the end of the cable socket for a while, then brush it with a clean toothbrush, back to vacuum cleaner and repeat until it works

sorted mine out no bother

Cracking, cheers. It's only an intermittent issue, but quite annoying!

yeah was the same for me, but maybe 80/20 not working at all - this cleaned it right up
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Thursday 12 May 2011, 04:12:58 PM
So apparently iPhones have been tracking everyones whereabouts since forever. Obviously this is a great betrayal of trust and massive privacy issue.. but more importantly, there's a mac app that allows you to make a cooool map. Sweet.

(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6048/screenshot20110420at101e.png)

Unfortunately, all my s*** got wiped late January, so this basically shows that I live near Philly and have been to DC and NY in the last 3 months. Oh well. Wish I had it for the last year.

Is that little 'no go area' in the middle Philly's equivalent of Meadowell?
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 12 May 2011, 04:34:49 PM
No clue. In reality that map is a map of all the cell towers my phone has accessed, so it's not the most accurate at telling where you've been. :(
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Thursday 12 May 2011, 04:36:42 PM
Ah, that's a bit disappointing.
Title: Re: The Apple Thread
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 12 May 2011, 04:37:04 PM
Anyone else having problems with an unresponsive 'home' button?

yeah i had it with mine almost as soon as i got it, turns out it was fluuf/dust from my pocket getting in under the button

stick a vacuum cleaner at the end of the cable socket for a while, then brush it with a clean toothbrush, back to vacuum cleaner and repeat until it works

sorted mine out no bother

Cracking, cheers. It's only an intermittent issue, but quite annoying!

yeah was the same for me, but maybe 80/20 not working at all - this cleaned it right up

I have the same problem, I'll give it a go as well.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Saturday 14 May 2011, 11:17:50 PM
I need help, i can't write to my external hard drive, i thought it was broken USB's at first but they are working fine. Searched high and low and can't find a solution!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 14 May 2011, 11:26:22 PM
... It's hfs? Working before now or never used before. Previously used on windows or mac?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Saturday 14 May 2011, 11:44:55 PM
Used it for months on mac only, just stopped writing all together, can still be read from fine by XBOX and Mac.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 14 May 2011, 11:46:01 PM
Odd. Try opening disk utility. See if you can do the repair disk thingy.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Saturday 14 May 2011, 11:47:24 PM
Aye done that, no faults. Even formatted it... Volume format "Mac OS Extended Journal" is correct?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 15 May 2011, 12:10:45 AM
Aye that's kosher
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Conjo on Sunday 15 May 2011, 08:43:41 AM
I have a related problem with an SD card.

First time I put it in the reader, it took some time (abt 20 sec), and just as I took it out, iPhoto loaded. Immediately got an error message that the card had been removed the wrong way. Next time I put it in, nothing happened. It loads without problems on my pc, and it also loads on the mac after I format the card on the pc, but if I take a photo and store it on the card and then put the SD card in the mac, nothing happens.  :dontknow:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 6 June 2011, 06:40:10 PM
Ok So I'll put the Lion OSX stuff in here.

It's $29.99, which is a real surprise for me. But is definitely a :thup: Only available via download on Mac App store.

Available next month.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Monday 6 June 2011, 07:34:16 PM
aye that's what i'm interested in and all
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 6 June 2011, 07:35:50 PM
They didn't mention that, no, but I'm sure it'll be obvious when Apple.com is updated.

I assume it'll be something like...

a) (somewhat obviously) When Lion is released, every Mac will have it, either installed, or with a disk/code to download for free.

b) Buy within a month of Lion release and you get it for free. But we'll see on this one.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 12:11:19 AM
Ok So I'll put the Lion OSX stuff in here.

It's $29.99, which is a real surprise for me. But is definitely a :thup: Only available via download on Mac App store.

Available next month.
£20.99 for UK users. £20.99 for an operating system, f***ing hell.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 12:18:01 AM
It's an absolute gift to sell a new OS for that price like. It's an evolution of the existing one obviously, but still. It's a total mystery to me how Windows is more widespread.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 01:34:16 AM
It's an absolute gift to sell a new OS for that price like. It's an evolution of the existing one obviously, but still. It's a total mystery to me how Windows is more widespread.

Windows is more widespread simply because you can get on on computers that are dirty cheap to buy compared to macs. If macs were cheaper I think a lot more people (including me!) would consider it. Though main thing that would stop me going mac is that for gaming the library isnt that big, and I can't chop and change components how I see fit.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 02:02:05 AM
Businesses are a massive reason too. I don't think Apple has ever pushed itself massively in the workplace, and Mac OS is a long way from being able to support the range of software used in offices around the world.

Of course this trickles down to individuals too, who will buy what they know from work and won't want to learn two OSs.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 05:11:24 AM
Perfect stuff from Steve.  I buy my Macbook Pro in July.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 09:16:37 AM
It's an absolute gift to sell a new OS for that price like. It's an evolution of the existing one obviously, but still. It's a total mystery to me how Windows is more widespread.

Windows is more widespread simply because you can get on on computers that are dirty cheap to buy compared to macs. If macs were cheaper I think a lot more people (including me!) would consider it. Though main thing that would stop me going mac is that for gaming the library isnt that big, and I can't chop and change components how I see fit.

Yeah, I know the reasons really, it's just annoying I have to use such an inferior computer all day!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Pip on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 10:39:28 AM
Umm, so I'm considering buying a MacBook. I prefer a big screen size and I have the dough to pay for it. Which one should I go for? Should I get any upgrades? When will the new ones be released? In this calendar year? Cheers
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Gash? on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 10:46:58 AM
A new one was released not that long back so I wouldn't expect another for a while.

I didn't get Snow Leopard, do I need to get that before I can get Lion?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Weezertron on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 11:15:11 AM
Umm, so I'm considering buying a MacBook. I prefer a big screen size and I have the dough to pay for it. Which one should I go for? Should I get any upgrades? When will the new ones be released? In this calendar year? Cheers

Don't buy!

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 12:14:12 PM
Umm, so I'm considering buying a MacBook. I prefer a big screen size and I have the dough to pay for it. Which one should I go for? Should I get any upgrades? When will the new ones be released? In this calendar year? Cheers

Don't buy!

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook

Depends if you're meaning Macbook or Macbook Pro? Macbooks are likely to be updated fairly soon, but MacBook Pros probably not for a good 6 months at least (guesswork based on the fact that the latest Macbook Pros came out in March I think, so they're unlikely to upgrade them yet).

Although, I have heard rumours that the next Macbook Pros will be a completely redesigned case.

Macbook Pro's won't be updated for awhile as they were only done a few months ago.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 12:39:20 PM
Umm, so I'm considering buying a MacBook. I prefer a big screen size and I have the dough to pay for it. Which one should I go for? Should I get any upgrades? When will the new ones be released? In this calendar year? Cheers
Macbooks are the plastic version with less memory etc and for the money it would cost to get a MacbookPro it's not worth holding out on. A few people say the 13inch screen isn't big enough and opt for the 15inch screen. The 17inch screen is too big really so I would say for you it would be best getting the 15inch. Assuming you aren't doing things that take up a lot of RAM and it's just personal usage then I don't see any reason why you should upgrade from the basic 15inch model. The only thing I might tell you to consider is an external hard drive to back things up or to run everything off meaning that if god forbid anything should happen (it's a Mac so it shouldn't) then all your stuff is still safe.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 12:57:53 PM
A new one was released not that long back so I wouldn't expect another for a while.

I didn't get Snow Leopard, do I need to get that before I can get Lion?

Yes, tells you on Apple website.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:39:43 PM
If apple are happy to sell their OS for £30 (Yes you have to already have one of their products to use it), then why don't they start supporting a wider range of hardware? They already use i5/7 and ATI graphics so why not make it so you can use OSX on any computer without having to hack the drivers to work? Surely that would help them out in the long run?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:43:44 PM
Do not like.

Small set of hardware = smaller set of potential problems for me as a user, and for them to support...

I'd prefer to pay the premium to avoid that... and I'd prefer Apple didn't spend their time on supporting stuff I'm personally not going to use. That's not to say they shouldn't do it like, it's just not pour moi.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:44:10 PM
If apple are happy to sell their OS for £30 (Yes you have to already have one of their products to use it), then why don't they start supporting a wider range of hardware? They already use i5/7 and ATI graphics so why not make it so you can use OSX on any computer without having to hack the drivers to work? Surely that would help them out in the long run?
Because they don't want too. Their software is made to work well with their hand picked hardware. If Windows did the same instead of just selling their OS to anyone then no doubt we would see better quality PC's. Also your forgetting that an Apple computer starts off at just under £1k, thats where they make their money. You have to spend £1k before you can upgrade later on down the line for only £30.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:48:24 PM
I thought that was the case, though its also why apple will never be more than a niche market.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:48:47 PM
If apple are happy to sell their OS for £30 (Yes you have to already have one of their products to use it), then why don't they start supporting a wider range of hardware? They already use i5/7 and ATI graphics so why not make it so you can use OSX on any computer without having to hack the drivers to work? Surely that would help them out in the long run?
Because they don't want too. Their software is made to work well with their hand picked hardware. If Windows did the same instead of just selling their OS to anyone then no doubt we would see better quality PC's. Also your forgetting that an Apple computer starts off at just under £1k, thats where they make their money. You have to spend £1k before you can upgrade later on down the line for only £30.

Whilst I agree with your point, I don't think he's forgetting where Apple make their money. I think he's quite aware and has made that abundantly obvious at times!  ;D
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:50:25 PM
I thought that was the case, though its also why apple will never be more than a niche market.
And because it is a niche market it will never be effected by the same level of security threats that effect Windows systems and it will be aimed at a smaller audience thus allowing it to work better for that particular audience then any other OS.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:54:17 PM
Ha so defensive, I've used OSX and its nice it just doesn't cater for what I need. Was looking at how apple could easily undercut MS by selling an OS that works on nearly any computer at a cheap price.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 04:55:20 PM
Ha so defensive, I've used OSX and its nice it just doesn't cater for what I need. Was looking at how apple could easily undercut MS by selling an OS that works on nearly any computer at a cheap price.
Not really defensive, just saying that it is a niche market but that has it's advantages, it also has it's disadvantages like price for example.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 05:01:13 PM
There's no reason for Apple to try and challenge windows though, they're a completely different type of company - built on quality, brand and user experience.

I'm sure they aren't bothered about their percentage share of the OS market - their massive profits probably keep them warm at night.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 05:28:11 PM
There's no reason for Apple to try and challenge windows though, they're a completely different type of company - built on quality, brand and user experience.

I'm sure they aren't bothered about their percentage share of the OS market - their massive profits probably keep them warm at night.

Apple could dominate the technology world if they play their cards right, I'm sure their shareholders would want that.  One step at a time though.

It was only 10 years ago people were predicting that Apple could go out of extinct and now look them.  Really shows what an inspirational figure Steve Jobs is, good job he went back.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 05:56:03 PM
I guess so, all I mean is that they have a very distinctive brand and a very tribal appeal.

They have broadened out into phones etc with great success, but I don't they would have much success going for the true cut-price mass market and might damage themselves in the process.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Conjo on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 06:51:27 PM
I find it strange how Apple is considered a niche.

The last three years I´ve gone to uni, there has always been more macs in the classrooms than pc´s both in Norway and USA. Even the computer labs in the respective schools consists of nearly 50/50 pcs and macs, and this isn´t some jappy art schools we´re talking about. More and more people I know make the switch (me included). This semester I lived with three others. At the start of the semester, there were one Mac in the appartment, at the end there were four.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 7 June 2011, 08:19:32 PM
Niche is a bit of a daft word for it, but they'll always be a minority due to the workplace. I'm sure Mac popularity at Universities is very very high in comparison to offices around the world.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 06:21:09 AM
Niche is a bit of a daft word for it, but they'll always be a minority due to the workplace. I'm sure Mac popularity at Universities is very very high in comparison to offices around the world.

Mac's are getting more popular and as people use PC's / Laptops more they'll spend more money on them.  It's what I'm doing with my purchase of one, I see it as an investment in having a top spec machine for the next few years.

Offices are starting to invest in them, Best Buy Europe (where I worked for 3 months) give them out to staff and their graphic designers all have the top range Mac Pro's.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Pip on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 07:03:12 AM
It's hard for offices to use macs because there is plenty of software that isn't developed for the mac. It's an excellent personal laptop, which is why I'm seriously considering getting one (and I'll get the pro, just deciding between the 15" and 17"), but it won't ever dominate the office Market unless cloud computing truly takes off for offices and software is accessible from different types of OSs.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 07:15:09 AM
It's hard for offices to use macs because there is plenty of software that isn't developed for the mac. It's an excellent personal laptop, which is why I'm seriously considering getting one (and I'll get the pro, just deciding between the 15" and 17"), but it won't ever dominate the office Market unless cloud computing truly takes off for offices and software is accessible from different types of OSs.

You an use Windows on a Mac FWIW.  You are correct though, the software on a MAC is a problem.  I'm getting the 15" Macbook Pro.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 09:16:39 AM
MS Office on the Mac is also probably better than the PC version, so is Outlook.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 09:24:09 AM
I see it as an investment in having a top spec machine for the next few years.

this should be the key in any decision making process for a personal switch to macs for me - i bought my macbook over 3 years ago and the only thing that doesn't perform noticeably as well as it did is the battery, which they tell you to replace after 3 years anyway

think i paid 800 quid for it in 2008 and it's been a f***ing steal (free keyboard replacement after 2+ years when i spilled beer on it too!!!), will be getting upgraded to lion and handed to the mrs soon and i fully expect it to last for at least another 3 years with the same great performance

f*** windows range of bullshit, f*** them in the arse
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 09:25:52 AM
MS Office on the Mac is also probably better than the PC version, so is Outlook.

don't agree with this (office, never used outlook on it) - i found it very clunky and not particularly useable myself but i guess it's an essential thing to have on a macbook and has made my life easier

makes me laugh how big the updates are for office though :lol:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 10:12:41 AM
I see it as an investment in having a top spec machine for the next few years.

this should be the key in any decision making process for a personal switch to macs for me - i bought my macbook over 3 years ago and the only thing that doesn't perform noticeably as well as it did is the battery, which they tell you to replace after 3 years anyway

think i paid 800 quid for it in 2008 and it's been a f***ing steal (free keyboard replacement after 2+ years when i spilled beer on it too!!!), will be getting upgraded to lion and handed to the mrs soon and i fully expect it to last for at least another 3 years with the same great performance

f*** windows range of bullshit, f*** them in the arse

Same, got a MacBook that's 5 years old and running amazingly well. Expect my iMac to last just as long.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Munkey on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 10:22:40 AM
aye, had my MacBook for 3 years and still works a treat. slows down occasionally but i just need to get more memory for it as Photoshop CS5 seems to cane it

but still can run a lot of programs at once with minimal lag and it's only frozen/ crash a handful of times in the 3 years i've had it.

may upgrade to a MacBook Pro next year
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 11:54:11 AM
MS Office on the Mac is also probably better than the PC version, so is Outlook.

don't agree with this (office, never used outlook on it) - i found it very clunky and not particularly useable myself but i guess it's an essential thing to have on a macbook and has made my life easier

makes me laugh how big the updates are for office though :lol:

Apple's own software (Pages etc) are much better than their Office equivalents.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 01:44:30 PM
Office is annoying on Mac, but that's just because it's an annoying piece of software. Same on PC as far as I'm concerned.

I still use it over iWork though, simply because I can't be f***ed to keep exporting things as docs.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 04:26:26 PM
Office is annoying on Mac, but that's just because it's an annoying piece of software. Same on PC as far as I'm concerned.

I still use it over iWork though, simply because I can't be f***ed to keep exporting things as docs.

Office 2010 is excellent tbh on a PC.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 04:28:13 PM
If that is the case then it has certainly come a long, long way from Office 2007, which is a big f***ing heap of confusing s***.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 04:32:28 PM
If that is the case then it has certainly come a long, long way from Office 2007, which is a big f***ing heap of confusing s***.

Don't like the Ribbon bar then?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 05:28:08 PM
I converted to a Mac and whilst I am very impressed with it, I have certainly had my share of issues.

Had a month or so where it only started up inconsistently (some days it would work, other days it just wouldn't start up).  The hard drive then completely broke.  About 6 months later, the battery 'exploded' and that had to be replaced - luckily just within the 3 year insurance period.  I have had it for nearly 4 years now and whilst it still performs well, it is noticeably slower.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 05:40:38 PM
I converted to a Mac and whilst I am very impressed with it, I have certainly had my share of issues.

Had a month or so where it only started up inconsistently (some days it would work, other days it just wouldn't start up).  The hard drive then completely broke.  About 6 months later, the battery 'exploded' and that had to be replaced - luckily just within the 3 year insurance period.  I have had it for nearly 4 years now and whilst it still performs well, it is noticeably slower.

macbooks: you're doing it wrong
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 05:46:31 PM
Regarding office I wish there was a standard document format (like pdf mp3 aiv etc) so you could use any software but still have the formatting appear the same regardless. I know you can use .doc with open office but it always gave me formatting issues 
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 8 June 2011, 05:58:01 PM
Aye that's caused never ending issues at work with some Notebook software we have. It basically allows u to attach a million different files and filetypes into a "notebook", all displays inline etc. It has an openoffice back end, enter docx and all the various Excel plugins on xlsm files etc. s***s it right up.

And yeah Neesy, unsurprisingly it's the stupid ribbon thing that does my head in. Where the f*** is ANYTHING.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 26 June 2011, 06:38:27 PM
Seeing as I've just ordered my iPad - I see no point in getting a Macbook now. However, I feel I may need an iMac instead, then the circle of life is now complete.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Sunday 26 June 2011, 06:39:38 PM
Having a right f*** on finding a Driving Theory test 'cd-rom' that works on a mac like...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 26 June 2011, 06:53:50 PM
Having a right f*** on finding a Driving Theory test 'cd-rom' that works on a mac like...
Any should, they probably just won't say they do.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 26 June 2011, 07:19:10 PM
... Not if it's an exe file program... I'd just use a website
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Sunday 26 June 2011, 07:20:38 PM
Or install Windows on another partition. :dontknow:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 26 June 2011, 07:25:06 PM
I did that. Felt dirty and got rid of it within a week.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Sunday 26 June 2011, 07:30:22 PM
Meh. I think it's the most convenient thing to do. Especially for Sopcast and the like once the football season kicks off.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Sunday 26 June 2011, 07:31:58 PM
Probably. I've got a work PC which acts as my sopcast if I ever need it, so I can keep my baby pure.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Heneage on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 12:58:28 AM
Trying to get the original C&C onto my Macbook any of you guys fancy helping me step by step it via PM or something?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 10:37:10 AM
Thinking of selling my MacBook to get an iPad. It's the first Intel one, but I've upgraded the RAM and HD as well as getting the keyboard replaced, so it's basically as good as a new one. Hopefully get £400 or so for it... although that might be wishful thinking.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 11:20:42 AM
White one?
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 11:29:48 AM
White one?

Mine? Yes, the white 13.3" from about 5 years ago. Good as new, but I just think an iPad would be easier to carry around.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 11:40:31 AM
Ive got the same one.
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 11:47:25 AM
It's a brilliant machine, my first Mac. With the new OSX and better RAM and HD it works a treat still.

Just I now have an iMac at home so could do with something purely for travelling, meaning it's a bit heavy and an iPad would be easier.

Not sure how much it's worth TBH, I'll do some eBay research.
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Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 11:47:46 AM
Time to hog this thread, as the wife is after a new laptop. I want her to be trendy so I'm trying to push her towards a Mac.
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Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 6 July 2011, 06:04:56 PM
No wife of yours can be trendy.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: cfhpantera27 on Friday 8 July 2011, 12:17:19 PM
I really fancied making the change to mac after using windows since 95 and my last couple of phones have been iPhones, but i didn't wanna spend big money so picked up a refurbished MacBook the other day for an awesome price. 3gb RAM and 320gb HDD, It's not top of range spec but running like a dream for what i use it for, love it. Was a bit worried about it being awkward to use a first but took no time getting used to the OS, should have got one years ago.
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 8 July 2011, 12:25:07 PM
I really fancied making the change to mac after using windows since 95 and my last couple of phones have been iPhones, but i didn't wanna spend big money so picked up a refurbished MacBook the other day for an awesome price. 3gb RAM and 320gb HDD, It's not top of range spec but running like a dream for what i use it for, love it. Was a bit worried about it being awkward to use a first but took no time getting used to the OS, should have got one years ago.

Similar to the one I might be selling, do you mind saying how much it cost you?
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Post by: cfhpantera27 on Friday 8 July 2011, 12:33:51 PM
got it for just over 300 mate, its in first class condition, but think i was lucky, there was ones with faulty batteries/cd drives and small hdds selling for the same price! you could prob get about 400
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Andy on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 12:29:13 PM
Lion is released today, apparently.
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Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 12:46:52 PM
Lion is released today, apparently.
Aye, apparently Steve Jobs has phoned a friend saying it will be released in the next few hours, news just in from Rupert Murdoch.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 12:58:55 PM
Buying mine on Saturday, looking forward to using a machine without the Microsoft niggles.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:10:05 PM
Buying mine on Saturday, looking forward to using a machine without the Microsoft niggles.
You won't look back, what screen size are you going for?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:10:16 PM
Lion is released today, apparently.

:celb: apple store is down.... Awaiting Lion

Blates gonna adopt it far too early and regret it like I did with SL....
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:13:11 PM
Lion is released today, apparently.

:celb: apple store is down.... Awaiting Lion

Blates gonna adopt it far too early and regret it like I did with SL....
It's Apple, nothing could go wrong.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:13:57 PM
Lion is released today, apparently.

:celb: apple store is down.... Awaiting Lion

Blates gonna adopt it far too early and regret it like I did with SL....
It's Apple, nothing could go wrong.

Untrue
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:23:57 PM
Buying mine on Saturday, looking forward to using a machine without the Microsoft niggles.
You won't look back, what screen size are you going for?

15" Macbook Pro.

£1180 at current exchange prices in Malaysia after charges as well.  Over £300 saving from the UK.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:35:49 PM
Buying mine on Saturday, looking forward to using a machine without the Microsoft niggles.
You won't look back, what screen size are you going for?

15" Macbook Pro.

£1180 at current exchange prices in Malaysia after charges as well.  Over £300 saving from the UK.
Not bad, I got mine between Xmas and New year last year (13 inch) and I can't go back to Windows. When I use Ste's laptop it feel f***ing weird using a separate button to click, and the OS just looks and feel clunky. At work it's so bad that I get someone else to print off documents for me, but thats because it's running Windows 2000 or something like that. I just can't use Windows computers anymore, it feels wrong.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:41:55 PM
Lion is downloading.  :frantic:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:45:59 PM
The Original Macbook is now dead replaced by new Macbook Air.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 01:50:43 PM
The Original Macbook is now dead replaced by new Macbook Air.
As soon as the last one came out and it was priced in the same range and the Macbook it was always going to happen. Most people omitted the Macbook and went for the MBP in anyway, like I did. I never saw the Macbook as an item to buy.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 02:03:22 PM
The plastic MacBook became redundant when they made a 13 inch MBP (a significantly nicer piece of hardware) for not much extra dollar. I can't imagine they sold well at all from that point.

They'd barely have any on display in the stores n arl.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 02:54:19 PM
For those who have bought a Mac recently...

The OS X Lion Up-to-Date upgrade will be available through the Mac App Store at no additional charge to all customers who purchased a qualifying new Mac system from Apple or an Apple Authorized Reseller on or after June 6, 2011. Users must request their Up-to-Date upgrade within 30 days of purchase of their Mac computer. Customers who purchased a qualifying Mac between June 6, 2011 and July 20, 2011 will have until August 19, 2011 to make a request. Additional information can be found at apple.com/macosx/uptodate.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 03:14:04 PM
Wow, my internet connection is s*** slow, nearly 2 hours on and I'm only nearly just at the quarter way mark on the download.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 03:14:46 PM
I'm sure it doesn't help that the Mac App Store is probably being battered right now.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 03:18:11 PM
I'm sure it doesn't help that the Mac App Store is probably being battered right now.
No I guess not, plus it's also supposed to be hefty download in anyway.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 04:21:31 PM
b******, White macbooks have been discontinued. I dont look up to date anymore...
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Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 04:41:23 PM
b******, White macbooks have been discontinued. I dont look up to date anymore...
You would have been mugged if you got it in anyway. It wasn't worth not saving that little extra to get a MBP, but the MBAir is pretty much the same price as a MB but better in most areas, the only thing is you would have to sacrifice a optical drive and go down to a smaller screen. Also if your not that bothered about a laptop and have newish TV how about going for the just updated Mac mini and getting the Keyboard and trackpad/mouse to go along side it?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 04:48:37 PM
:lol: The guy doesn't want to buy a new computer, stop with the hard sell.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 04:50:52 PM
Definitely dont want an MBA like, i need an optical drive for burning cd's and couldnt be arsed with the clart on of an external. Anyway, i only payed £250 for this white macbook anyway and havent had it a year yet. Wont be upgrading anytime soon.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 04:56:58 PM
Definitely dont want an MBA like, i need an optical drive for burning cd's and couldnt be arsed with the clart on of an external. Anyway, i only payed £250 for this white macbook anyway and havent had it a year yet. Wont be upgrading anytime soon.
Oh right, I thought you weren't upgrading to a Mac at all because they no longer sell the MB, I didn't realise you already had a Mac.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 04:57:48 PM
:lol: The guy doesn't want to buy a new computer, stop with the hard sell.
Can you believe Apple didn't take the opportunity to hire me?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 09:53:53 PM
OS X Lion Review that'll take you an hour to read you say?

No problem: http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Tooj on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 11:17:14 PM
Really want an iMac like. As my PC is really starting to grate on me.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 20 July 2011, 11:38:34 PM
Shiiiiit

Scrolling is inverted. I better be able to change this s***. I can't go between a PC and a Mac where scrolling direction alternates!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:24:06 AM
Shiiiiit

Scrolling is inverted. I better be able to change this s***. I can't go between a PC and a Mac where scrolling direction alternates!
It's mint, I've just spent the last 2 minutes following the instruction wondering how to do it but I didn't have anything open to see it working, but just using it now is so much easier then going to a scroll bar. It's like when the first mice with the scroll bars came out.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:25:21 AM
I've stuck with it, but no doubt my brain will struggle when I get to work tomorrow.

Getting used to a new OS is painful. I feel slow and s***.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:28:13 AM
I've stuck with it, but no doubt my brain will struggle when I get to work tomorrow.

Getting used to a new OS is painful. I feel slow and s***.
I know how you feel, like I said just using the trackpad to me is too much of a change to even go and use a Windows computer, and that was before Lion.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:29:00 AM
I'd be seriously tempted by a MBP 13" if apple hadn't gimped it with the shitty intel graphics!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:37:10 AM
I'd be seriously tempted by a MBP 13" if apple hadn't gimped it with the shitty intel graphics!
I have one, and it's no noticeable change.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:39:23 AM
Mine has NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT 512 MB, so I wouldn't know about Intel graphics.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:53:28 AM
Playing games like Team Fortress 2 etc on intel hd 3000 compared to the old nvida card or even the ati cards in the 15/17" would be huge. They should offer the option for proper graphics cards on the 13" model.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:58:21 AM
I wouldn't know.

It deals with the FM 3D engine pretty well though :lol:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Thursday 21 July 2011, 01:06:05 AM
Just going off benchmarks of the fps, old nVidia chip on the mac book was more than capable, why do they do this!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 July 2011, 04:39:16 AM
Just going off benchmarks of the fps, old nVidia chip on the mac book was more than capable, why do they do this!

To force you to buy a 15" model.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Mugatu on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:15:21 AM
This took all last night to download on my iMac - bloody shitty Orange broadband. Anyway I'll be able to get it installed and running tonight. How long did everyone elses download take? Mine must have been 12 hours or something daft.

Bit of a shame most of the new features are laptop/track pad centric seeing as I'm on an iMac (and have no desire for a magic pad). Anyone else got a mac desktop?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:30:41 AM
This took all last night to download on my iMac - bloody shitty Orange broadband. Anyway I'll be able to get it installed and running tonight. How long did everyone elses download take? Mine must have been 12 hours or something daft.

Bit of a shame most of the new features are laptop/track pad centric seeing as I'm on an iMac (and have no desire for a magic pad). Anyone else got a mac desktop?
I got about 2/3 of the way in and I had to pause it for an Xbox update, then I couldn't get it going again because of the volume of people trying to download it. I started again and partly because of my slow internet and partly because of the amount of people trying to download it it took something like 5-6 hours.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:36:23 AM
First Impressions of OS X Lion then people?!?
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Post by: Pip on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:52:13 AM
Any news on when the new Macbook Pro will be out? My Vaio is slowly but surely dying on me. There is now a thin straight pink line that runs vertically down the center-right of my screen and I can't get it to go away, so I'm guessing the screen is f***ed. This follows my o, l and full stop keys dying on me two months ago, which cost £80 to fix.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:54:03 AM
Any news on when the new Macbook Pro will be out? My Vaio is slowly but surely dying on me. There is now a thin straight pink line that runs vertically down the center-right of my screen and I can't get it to go away, so I'm guessing the screen is f***ed. This follows my o, l and full stop keys dying on me two months ago, which cost £80 to fix.

Not for a while, it was only updated in February.
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Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:54:52 AM
First Impressions of OS X Lion then people?!?
Pretty good so far. I've not really used all of the features yet, just the basic new multi touch gestures, the new scroll gesture makes things so much easier and feels revolutionary as when the first scroll mouse came out. I do think they could have came up with a better gesture in order to launch and close the launchpad, however it may just be me needing a little more time to get used to that one though I have to admit I won't use it that much initially as most of the apps that I use are on my dock. The new window frame looks decent, more of metal look. I've not really tried the full screen mode yet but no doubt I'll come to that when I have large documents to read. Safari seems to be more responsive now, a few updates ago saw it slow down a bit but now it's faster than ever before. I really like the backward scroll on Safari which allows you to just scroll back a page without having to take your cursor to the top corner of the screen and then click.

All in all it's just a lot of little things that makes things happen quicker and look nicer, it is more responsive than SL, or at least it is at the moment. A lot of little things that makes you think "Thats nice", basically what Apple do best.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:57:52 AM
Any news on when the new Macbook Pro will be out? My Vaio is slowly but surely dying on me. There is now a thin straight pink line that runs vertically down the center-right of my screen and I can't get it to go away, so I'm guessing the screen is f***ed. This follows my o, l and full stop keys dying on me two months ago, which cost £80 to fix.

Not for a while, it was only updated in February.
I struggle to think of any real updates they could add in anyway, nothing would really be worth it until Ivy bridge comes out and even then it's not worth waiting for. If your going for a MBP then theirs no reason to hold out for a new one, in fact theirs no reason to hold out on any Mac purchase especially after the updates yesterday.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:59:06 AM
Mac rumours buying guide. Google it. Will tell you all you need to know about product refreshes.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:03:56 PM
Mac rumours buying guide. Google it. Will tell you all you need to know about product refreshes.

Hmm, only highly recommends you buy the products released today :lol:.  I'm getting Macbook Pro, can't see a new one until at least Q1 2012 as apart from design changes not much else they can do until as stifler says Intel release Ivy Bridge
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:09:32 PM
First Impressions of OS X Lion then people?!?

Downloaded it overnight and I'll install when I get home.

From the video it looks very good, might convince me to buy a trackpad for all the gesture-based stuff.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:16:19 PM
I'm happy with Lion, but i wouldn't install if you've got anything important to do anytime soon. I'm taking twice as long to do anything purely based on the inverted scrolling. I ain't as young as I used to be.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:21:11 PM
You can turn it off you know.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 21 July 2011, 12:30:28 PM
Oh I know, but I understand the benefits of having it this way round and will persevere. Steve wanted it this way.
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Post by: Troll on Thursday 21 July 2011, 02:06:25 PM
The inverted scrolling is very annoying if you try and play any games, because it carries over to them.  Zooming feels horribly wrong with it on, and it's a hassle to have to turn it off before every game.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 21 July 2011, 02:40:52 PM
The inverted scrolling is very annoying if you try and play any games, because it carries over to them.  Zooming feels horribly wrong with it on, and it's a hassle to have to turn it off before every game.
It shouldn't do, I have a flash based add that pops up on another forum I go on and when the cursed is over it it doesn't scroll. It's designed to be that way to stop what your experiencing from happening.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Mugatu on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:18:07 PM
Is there any way of separating the stacked windows when in mission control? I preferred how in expose each window (from the same app) would appear separately, especially with web browsers.

I know you can press space bar on the one you're hovered over but I'm thinking there must be a way of splitting them out? Oh and I don't have a trackpad so if there is an answer I really hope it's not a gesture!  :thup:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: The Quiché on Thursday 21 July 2011, 11:57:17 PM
I'm thinking about getting a Mac of some sort (Mac Mini or laptop) just to have a bit of a play around on and just general internet use. Just wondered if any of you guys can recommend what to get second hand as I'm looking to spend less than £200.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 22 July 2011, 12:09:37 AM
I'm thinking about getting a Mac of some sort (Mac Mini or laptop) just to have a bit of a play around on and just general internet use. Just wondered if any of you guys can recommend what to get second hand as I'm looking to spend less than £200.

Not sure if that's even possible TBH. Go up to £400 and you might be able to get a decent MacBook that's 4-5 years old.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Troll on Friday 22 July 2011, 12:33:59 AM
Is there any way of separating the stacked windows when in mission control? I preferred how in expose each window (from the same app) would appear separately, especially with web browsers.


There's a trackpad setting that you can enable.  Swiping up with three fingers goes to mission control, down with three fingers activates exposé for that app.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 22 July 2011, 03:10:54 AM
I'm thinking about getting a Mac of some sort (Mac Mini or laptop) just to have a bit of a play around on and just general internet use. Just wondered if any of you guys can recommend what to get second hand as I'm looking to spend less than £200.

No chance, for anything decent you'll be needing £500+.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Anderson on Friday 22 July 2011, 03:20:38 AM
Eh, they've inverted scrolling? Why? Down is down, up is up; why would you even think of changing that? ???
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Mugatu on Friday 22 July 2011, 08:55:13 AM
Is there any way of separating the stacked windows when in mission control? I preferred how in expose each window (from the same app) would appear separately, especially with web browsers.


There's a trackpad setting that you can enable.  Swiping up with three fingers goes to mission control, down with three fingers activates exposé for that app.

Thanks - wonder if there's a keyboard shortcut for it? Google doesn't seem to be any use on this.

Eh, they've inverted scrolling? Why? Down is down, up is up; why would you even think of changing that? ???

Kinda makes sense on a trackpad where it's basically mimicking how ios works. Seems odd when using it on a scroll wheel though.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 22 July 2011, 09:22:38 AM
Yeah, it's inspired by touch screen devices but doesn't translate well to a mouse IMO.

Also, launchpad seems completely pointless. If I have to click on an icon to open it, I may as well click on the application icon I want instead. Most of the apps I use regularly are in the dock already. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Mugatu on Friday 22 July 2011, 11:10:17 AM
Yeah, it's inspired by touch screen devices but doesn't translate well to a mouse IMO.

Also, launchpad seems completely pointless. If I have to click on an icon to open it, I may as well click on the application icon I want instead. Most of the apps I use regularly are in the dock already. Am I missing something?

Yeah I think it's pointless for people like ourselves but I can see it being useful for people who are moving to macs after getting an ipad/iphone. My mum for example has never used a computer in her life but really wants an iPad. If after the iPad she decides to get a mac it would make the transition easier possibly. It also probably hints at touch screen iMacs in the near future.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 22 July 2011, 11:19:01 AM
Yeah, I was thinking about the touch screen iMacs possibility, would be interesting to see if they can develop such a big touch surface at an affordable(ish) price.

Need to explore the new features of Lion more, installed it last night but I haven't noticed much difference yet.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 22 July 2011, 12:08:16 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about the touch screen iMacs possibility, would be interesting to see if they can develop such a big touch surface at an affordable(ish) price.

Need to explore the new features of Lion more, installed it last night but I haven't noticed much difference yet.
Theirs no chance at touch screen manc in the future. Jobs has already said that if you have touch screen on a vertical surface then after a while your arm goes dead. They have already created the 2 other alternatives, having a computer on your lap that has a touch screen (I.E. iPad), and having a computer with touch capabilities thats not vertical,( I.E. trackpad).
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 22 July 2011, 12:10:34 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about the touch screen iMacs possibility, would be interesting to see if they can develop such a big touch surface at an affordable(ish) price.

Need to explore the new features of Lion more, installed it last night but I haven't noticed much difference yet.

Theirs no chance at touch screen manc in the future. Jobs has already said that if you have touch screen on a vertical surface then after a while your arm goes dead. They have already created the 2 other alternatives, having a computer on your lap that has a touch screen (I.E. iPad), and having a computer with touch capabilities thats not vertical,( I.E. trackpad).

Fair point, not sure I'd rule it out completely but that does make sense. I guess a more developed control surface that is separate to the  monitor might be a possibilty... a bit like the new Wii thing but well designed.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Pip on Friday 22 July 2011, 12:21:38 PM
It's about changing what you move. Before, you moved the window while the content is fixed. But in the iPad and iPhone, you move the content while the window is fixed. So now in Apple's laptop, you'll have to move the content while the window is fixed. I think it's pretty intuitive, especially if you have had exposure to iOS.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 22 July 2011, 01:47:49 PM
Yeah, I was thinking about the touch screen iMacs possibility, would be interesting to see if they can develop such a big touch surface at an affordable(ish) price.

Need to explore the new features of Lion more, installed it last night but I haven't noticed much difference yet.

Theirs no chance at touch screen manc in the future. Jobs has already said that if you have touch screen on a vertical surface then after a while your arm goes dead. They have already created the 2 other alternatives, having a computer on your lap that has a touch screen (I.E. iPad), and having a computer with touch capabilities thats not vertical,( I.E. trackpad).
Fair point, not sure I'd rule it out completely but that does make sense. I guess a more developed control surface that is separate to the  monitor might be a possibilty... a bit like the new Wii thing but well designed.
The only more advance way that I can see a PC/Laptop having a better control interface would be with something like Xbox's kinect. Then I would argue by the time that comes out then Tablet computers would be faster, have more memory and storage and be able to work fully as a PC/Laptop.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 22 July 2011, 01:48:55 PM
It's about changing what you move. Before, you moved the window while the content is fixed. But in the iPad and iPhone, you move the content while the window is fixed. So now in Apple's laptop, you'll have to move the content while the window is fixed. I think it's pretty intuitive, especially if you have had exposure to iOS.

I know, I just don't think it works with a mouse. I turned it off after about 2 hours of always scrolling the wrong way, maybe if I'd stuck with it I could have retrained myself.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 22 July 2011, 02:07:29 PM
If I were using a regular mouse, I'd turn it off. But I'm trackpad, and it's canny.

As far as touch screen iMac goes, apple have previously applied for all manner of patents revolving around hinges on the back of an iMac, allowing you to make the screen flat(ish) on your desk. And various touch screen iMac screen patents.

I mean, they apply to patent the majority of things/ideas in existence, so its no guarantee, but I reckon it'll happen. Maybe not for some time tho.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Mugatu on Friday 22 July 2011, 02:27:52 PM
Yeah Jobs has said plenty of things in the past that he's gone back on. I reckon we'll see some type of touchscreen desktop computer from them soon enough.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Tooj on Monday 25 July 2011, 10:55:00 PM
Reckon with a bit of budgeting I could probably afford one of these.

Although I'm debating whether I should get an iMac (currently have a desktop), or a Macbook Pro.

What would people recommend?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 25 July 2011, 11:03:47 PM
Reckon with a bit of budgeting I could probably afford one of these.

Although I'm debating whether I should get an iMac (currently have a desktop), or a Macbook Pro.

What would people recommend?
It depends. If you have the room in your house then get an iMac, if not or you like to have your laptop in bed or have some sort of portable options then get a MBP. If you already have modern TV then getting a Mac mini with a keyboard and trackpad would also be an option to consider.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:00:44 AM
Does anyone use the Dashboard in OSX, and if so what for and what are the widgets you use? It's a feature I've never seen the point of.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:04:21 AM
I use it sparingly. For stocks and weather. Nowt much else.

I would not buy a Mac mini as stiffy says. It's just not worth the bean any more. Sexy or not.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:13:29 AM
I use it sparingly. For stocks and weather. Nowt much else.

I would not buy a Mac mini as stiffy says. It's just not worth the bean any more. Sexy or not.
I guess your right. I'm assuming it's going to be his main computer and I've just learnt that the new one has no optical drive, kind of a must still.
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Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:14:13 AM
I use it sparingly. For stocks and weather. Nowt much else.

I would not buy a Mac mini as stiffy says. It's just not worth the bean any more. Sexy or not.
Pretty much the same. If it wasn't there I wouldn't be bothered about it.
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Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 08:35:29 AM
Good apps to download then for the experienced mac users on here?
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Post by: Mugatu on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 08:42:15 AM
I only ever use the dashboard for the calculator and sometimes the post it notes, although nowadays I use an app like Evernote instead.
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 09:26:59 AM
Something I downloaded recently is OpenOffice. If you're a Mac user and you don't want to shell out for MS Office, it's an excellent office suite and totally free.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 09:57:37 AM
God I'm just loving the Mac experience, 3 days in and not a single problem so far.  Everything just works and works fantastically well.
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 10:10:34 AM
God I'm just loving the Mac experience, 3 days in and not a single problem so far.  Everything just works and works fantastically well.

5 years in and I'm the same!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 10:28:36 AM
God I'm just loving the Mac experience, 3 days in and not a single problem so far.  Everything just works and works fantastically well.

5 years in and I'm the same!

Just installed Lion even more impressed, took 30 mins without a snitch.  Need to customise it now for my own needs.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Mugatu on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 11:33:50 AM
Yeah macs are great. I was so tempted to upgrade my old 20 inch iMac to one of the newer 27 inch models the other day but in the end just bought 4 gigs of ram from crucial. Would love the 27 inches for photo editing. Memes would look class on that size screen also.  :troll:
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Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:11:12 PM
God I'm just loving the Mac experience, 3 days in and not a single problem so far.  Everything just works and works fantastically well.

welcome to the world of being a smug c*** :thup:
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:12:40 PM
I bought the smaller iMac, then my brother went and got the 27" and trumped my ass.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:16:17 PM
wish i could get the mrs on board, i'd fill the f***ing house with the stuff
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:30:42 PM
wish i could get the mrs on board, i'd fill the f***ing house with the stuff
Do it, just tell her it's the new Windows OS.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 26 July 2011, 12:48:57 PM
wish i could get the mrs on board, i'd fill the f***ing house with the stuff
Do it, just tell her it's the new Windows OS.

nah won't work - her problem is mainly that Korean websites are almost all set up for IE so she has nowt but trouble when she's trying to access or buy something on the internets via a mac

macs are growing there so that might change i guess, i'll buy the new macbook pro when i get home and leave her my current one see if she digs it...she can use her piece of s*** windows thing just to buy stuff then
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: kingkerouac on Wednesday 27 July 2011, 01:49:52 PM
I've got an iMac and a MacBook Pro 15".
I've been using Macs since the SE30 back in 1990 and I have to say, so far, these are the best Macs they've produced thus far.
Though, a lot of tech critics are raving about the MacBook Air.
So take your pick.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 28 July 2011, 08:40:21 AM
I've got an iMac and a MacBook Pro 15".
I've been using Macs since the SE30 back in 1990 and I have to say, so far, these are the best Macs they've produced thus far.
Though, a lot of tech critics are raving about the MacBook Air.
So take your pick.

any good, balanced reviews on the air knocking about anyone know about?

i travel a fair bit now and use it on the road, air would be canny for that but if it's gonna be obsolete a lot faster than a pro then i think i'd rather just carry the extra weight
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Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 29 July 2011, 07:53:08 AM
arseholes, macrumours saying macbook pro due for an update soon and there's a new air just been released :(

gah!

proper mindfucked me this has now, got burned when i bought my last macbook and they released the new versions (aluminum) very soon after so don't want to do that again

any rumours on what the next macbook pros will have with them?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: adam on Friday 29 July 2011, 09:51:11 AM
arseholes, macrumours saying macbook pro due for an update soon and there's a new air just been released :(

gah!

proper mindfucked me this has now, got burned when i bought my last macbook and they released the new versions (aluminum) very soon after so don't want to do that again

any rumours on what the next macbook pros will have with them?

Do you really need a new macbook tho? Mines absolutely fine, bar the battery being a bit s***.
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 29 July 2011, 10:02:02 AM
It's really not a big deal, all the Apple computers are class and last for years. I'm still using my MacBook from 2005 with a couple of upgrades to RAM/Hard Drive.

Don't sweat it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 29 July 2011, 10:07:51 AM
arseholes, macrumours saying macbook pro due for an update soon and there's a new air just been released :(

gah!

proper mindfucked me this has now, got burned when i bought my last macbook and they released the new versions (aluminum) very soon after so don't want to do that again

any rumours on what the next macbook pros will have with them?

Do you really need a new macbook tho? Mines absolutely fine, bar the battery being a bit s***.

don't need one  no, not really, but mine's took a fair battering (cracked case, booze spilled on/in it twice) and i want to leave it at home for the wife to use when i'm away working

basically i want to splash out on summik i suppose

the more i think about what i use it for i think an air will most likely be the best option for me tbh, unless i can find something saying they're s*** or whatever i think i'll do that when i get home

Title: Re: WIP
Post by: colinmk on Friday 29 July 2011, 12:08:59 PM
I'm running a 2007 macbook pro and it's still faster than most pc laptops I have used. Upgraded the RAM right enough but not costly. The motherboard on mine got frie and apple replaced the whole thing free of charge a while back after it was way out it's warranty. I need macs for the audio stuff I work in but even if I didn't I'd still recommend them, much better value for money imo.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 29 July 2011, 12:49:51 PM
on the newly released air: http://www.cultofmac.com/sleek-and-powerful-the-new-11-inch-macbook-will-blow-you-away-again-review/105622

main area of concern for me:

"The FaceTime camera isn’t HD like on the MacBook Pros. In fact, when placing a FaceTime call the video quality coming from my camera seemed worse than when I FaceTime on my iPad."

"Upgrade-ability. Not that MacBooks have ever been the most upgradeable machines out there, but with the RAM soldered on to the motherboard, you’re stuck with what you initially purchased. Luckily, the Flash Storage isn’t soldered on too so there’s one thing users can upgrade."

all in all it sounds like a f***ing dream machine...might go into the shop and check out the quality of the camera and if it's not horrible (which it won't be) will probably go for it

sounds like it performs well for it's size!
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 29 July 2011, 01:49:07 PM
So what's this thunderbolt port then?

And a dedicated key for launchpad, now that pointless application kind of makes sense.
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Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 29 July 2011, 02:37:47 PM
So what's this thunderbolt port then?

And a dedicated key for launchpad, now that pointless application kind of makes sense.
Thunderbolt is a faster connection alternative to a USB which ironically has nothing yet available to connect to and when it will it will probably be only Apple hardware. Also by the time it gets to be fully utilised wireless connectivity will have taken it's place instead.

A dedicated key for launchpad is unnecessary when you consider that it can be activated via a gesture on the touchpad.
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Post by: Troll on Friday 29 July 2011, 02:58:14 PM
Upgraded the RAM right enough but not costly.

As long as you don't buy it through Apple!  I just upgraded mine to 8gb.  Cost about £50 from Crucial, the Apple Store charges £320!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 29 July 2011, 03:00:49 PM
So what's this thunderbolt port then?

And a dedicated key for launchpad, now that pointless application kind of makes sense.
Thunderbolt is a faster connection alternative to a USB which ironically has nothing yet available to connect to and when it will it will probably be only Apple hardware. Also by the time it gets to be fully utilised wireless connectivity will have taken it's place instead.

A dedicated key for launchpad is unnecessary when you consider that it can be activated via a gesture on the touchpad.

Well I was comparing it to launching it with my mouse on my iMac. Wish I had a key for it. Guess I might be able to set up one of the function keys actually, will try it later.

You would have thought companies would have stopped trying to come up with proprietary new methods of connecting stuff. Will be interesting to see if it is actually any use.

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Post by: ToonTastic on Friday 29 July 2011, 03:10:42 PM
So what's this thunderbolt port then?

And a dedicated key for launchpad, now that pointless application kind of makes sense.
Thunderbolt is a faster connection alternative to a USB which ironically has nothing yet available to connect to and when it will it will probably be only Apple hardware. Also by the time it gets to be fully utilised wireless connectivity will have taken it's place instead.

May as well have called it Firewire 2 then
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 29 July 2011, 03:26:30 PM
Looks like Apple are not supporters of USB 3 yet, since most new expensive laptops are coming with it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Adam^ on Saturday 30 July 2011, 12:35:00 AM
I'm tempted to get a MBP (yes Semtex me thinking of buying APPLE!!!) considering the 13" version is only £850 with the student discount thing. I've had a look at Mac rumours etc but I'm not sure if I should get one soon or wait a few months and see what they bring out that new?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Conjo on Thursday 4 August 2011, 02:59:11 AM
Sooooo, I spilled a full glass of water over my new macbook pro on sunday morning. I was still drunk/hung over, so it took some time for it to compute. I even turned it of like you normally do, and it was still running seemingly as it normally should. I unplugged it from the AC adapter and turned it upside down and haven't tried to turn it on yet.

Any tips? Should it be safe to turn it on again, or should I wait longer? Should I send it in without trying to turn it on in case something has been wrecked?
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Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 4 August 2011, 08:33:20 AM
they told me to turn it upside down and try to shake as much water (beer in my case) as possible out, otherwise no
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Conjo on Thursday 4 August 2011, 01:49:36 PM
How long did you wait for it to dry?
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Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 4 August 2011, 01:52:10 PM
Leave it as long as possible, upside down, and hope that it all drys out perfectly.

If you take it in, they'll probably replace the motherboard and it'll cost you ~£600... so it's up to you. I imagine they'd just do the same thing if you try and turn it on and it fails to boot.

Wait as long as you can possibly fathom waiting, then add a few days on top of that.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 4 August 2011, 02:44:44 PM
How long did you wait for it to dry?

me?  horse had bolted by this stage, it's what they asked me if i did, which i didn't :lol:

got lucky personally, they replaced the keyboard and it never make the motherboard or anything critical
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Post by: Tooj on Monday 29 August 2011, 06:27:27 PM
http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/apple-imac-21-5-mc309b-a-intel-core-i5-500gb-4gb-memory-854-05-dixons-quidco-top/1004502?page=1

Good deal?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 29 August 2011, 06:37:19 PM
Si
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 11:28:02 AM
Need help choosing. Have my first generation Macbook Pro which is somewhere 4-5 years old and starting to f*** up. Chargers broken (loaning my brothers), battery needs a change, keyboard is messed up with couple of letters f***ing around at times (especially the M button). Its also running hot at 75degrees with only Chrome up and also by cd driver is broken (don't usually use cd.s but...). The cost to fix all things I have no idea, however chargers is at 80usd, and battery at 130usd. (=210USD). I sure can live with paying 210 for these things, but I'm scared it might die soon, which would then mean I have to buy a new one anyways.

Been thinking of possibly buying a new one, but can't decide whether to buy the 17' screen or 15' screen. I use computer mostly for study/work and sometimes to run football manager and movies and so. Does anyone know if theres a big difference between the cheaper 15' and the more expensive one?

Also should I buy one now, or wait till mine goes tits up and I've wasted the 210USD for the charger and battery? (will be my third battery bought for the same computer, rarely turn off the computer).

If I should, which one should I buy...

I now open the floor of discussion for recommendations.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 01:08:39 PM
The 17" ones are enormous and wouldn't be much fun to carry around or use on your lap/in a confined space.

If I were you, I'd buy an iMac instead of a 17". Or a smaller MacBook (Air) and an external monitor. s***, you could buy an iMac *and* an Air for the price of the 17" MBP.

If portability's important, I'd go for the 13" MBP or an Air plus a monitor.
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Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 01:10:10 PM
The 17" ones are enormous and wouldn't be much fun to carry around or use on your lap/in a confined space.

If I were you, I'd buy an iMac instead of a 17". Or a smaller MacBook (Air) and an external monitor. s***, you could buy an iMac *and* an Air for the price of the 17" MBP.

If portability's important, I'd go for the 13" MBP or an Air plus a monitor.

Good advice, personally I never find screen size that important. If you don't need much computing power then maybe a MBP is overkill anyway.
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Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 01:19:26 PM
depends what it's for as well, just bought the 13" air and it's awesome, can't see any reason for me ever buying anything with a disc drive ever again...light and mobile, i fuckin love the air!
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 01:20:27 PM
I have this thing of running many programs at the same time though, and scared that the air isn't good enough to play FM and watch a movie at the same time. Need big space on the HD too since I have loads of movies, music and photos.

We'll see, might just go for the 15' inch. But what is the difference between both, is there really a big difference and if so which one is the more priceworthy?
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Post by: ChezGiven on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 01:26:42 PM
I've had a lot of laptops and within a year for me they just get a bit shitty and don't perform anywhere near as well as they did when you got them.

Sounds like you're s*** at computing, tbh.
Aggressive, condescending AND a hypocrite. Knew it would present itself without me even looking. 
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: wacko on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 01:46:50 PM
I have this thing of running many programs at the same time though, and scared that the air isn't good enough to play FM and watch a movie at the same time. Need big space on the HD too since I have loads of movies, music and photos.

We'll see, might just go for the 15' inch. But what is the difference between both, is there really a big difference and if so which one is the more priceworthy?

They're both extremely expensive, tbh. And the 17" is f***ing huge.

The only difference between the top 15" and the 17" is the screen size.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 02:05:12 PM
I have a 17" MBP. It's a sexy ass mother f***ing piece of work.

However, if you want portability, it's not the boy you want, just go 15".

Tho if you want SEXY portability, as wacko says, a MBA would be a delight, with optional (non-Apple) monitor.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 02:06:34 PM
I've had a lot of laptops and within a year for me they just get a bit shitty and don't perform anywhere near as well as they did when you got them.

Sounds like you're s*** at computing, tbh.
Aggressive, condescending AND a hypocrite. Knew it would present itself without me even looking. 

Random. I smell an agenda.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 03:08:56 PM
I have a 17" MBP. It's a sexy ass mother f***ing piece of work.

However, if you want portability, it's not the boy you want, just go 15".

Tho if you want SEXY portability, as wacko says, a MBA would be a delight, with optional (non-Apple) monitor.

That's the prime reason for considering the 17' its nice as hell.

However,  does anyone know if the difference  between the two 15' is great, and worth the 400USD (???) difference ?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 4 October 2011, 03:19:00 PM
I have a 17" MBP. It's a sexy ass mother f***ing piece of work.

However, if you want portability, it's not the boy you want, just go 15".

Tho if you want SEXY portability, as wacko says, a MBA would be a delight, with optional (non-Apple) monitor.

That's the prime reason for considering the 17' its nice as hell.

However,  does anyone know if the difference  between the two 15' is great, and worth the 400USD (???) difference ?

Slightly faster processor, slightly bigger HDD and by the looks of it the gfx card is much improved.

Personally I wouldn't store much on my laptop HDD anyway. If I was in the market I'd buy the cheaper one.
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Post by: Flip on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 11:25:55 AM
Yeah, I've decided to go with the 15'. Now the question is whether to buy the cheaper and install more ram, or buy the more expensive one with the better graphic card.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 12:35:56 PM
by the way aren't they saying the new generation of mbp's will be released pretty soon?  might be worth waiting?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 12:39:04 PM
2-3 months left in the cycle.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 12:55:59 PM
They release a new more or less every year don't they. This one is from february, but the next on which probably will be released early 2012 will have a new design. Didn't really know that. Question is whether I can live with mine for another 5-6 months.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: brummie on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 01:05:24 PM
I've got a 15 inch Macbook Pro, three years old. The unibody one, glossy screen.

I've owned god knows many computers and laptops for over 20 years now, and an awful lot of them have been Macs. This one is far and away the most reliable one of the lot. It looks like it just came out the box still, after three years, so solid is the build.

I've just upgraded it a bit by sticking a larger, 7200 rpm drive in to replace the stock 5400 one, and upgraded the ram from 2 to 4gb, and it is now much spunkier, and copes with Lion much better.

I don't do much development work these days, but occasionally have to. I tested compile times on the stuff I was working on on my windows desktop (which is a fairly decent, six month old i5 machine) and the MBP, and the MBP compiles in literally half the time. As a result, I've ditched the pc and just take the laptop to work every day and work on that. Hooked up to an external 1920 x 1080 res monitor, it is fine.

A colleague of mine has the 13 inch MBP. Portability is more of an issue for him (he took it travelling with him round the world for a year), so it made more sense, but the one thing I really appreciate in laptops - screen resolution - is where the 13 inch fails. The res is 1280 x whateveritis, which is way too low.

Even on the 15 inch, the one thing I wish I'd done was upgrade to the high res screen (1680 x 1050) rather than keep the stock 1440 x 990 one. Even then, though, almost all windows laptops these days come with that shitty 1366 x 768 res, which is nowhere near enough.

I'll probably wait for the next MBP iteration and get a new one with the high res screen, but these really are super machines. Incidentally, although I'm a mac fan and have been for decades, I'm by no means a mac fascist - the worst laptop i ever had was also a mac, and I'm not afraid to admit it - but these machines really are top notch in every way.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 01:18:50 PM
Thanks for your opinion brummie, and for semtex and mrmojorisin. f*** YOU :lol: Now I have a bigger dilemma, buy a new one or wait till the next one comes out?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: brummie on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 01:21:34 PM
I'd sit tight if I were you. A couple of months till the new ones, this close it is always best to wait.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 01:37:23 PM
Yeah, might as well, my girlfriend is probably buying an Macbook Air for her so Ill just use that one for a while if my goes kabooom.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 01:49:37 PM
Brummie, what was the really bad Mac you had?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 02:28:47 PM
Yeah, might as well, my girlfriend is probably buying an Macbook Air for her so Ill just use that one for a while if my goes kabooom.

Whatever you decide, make sure you call Apple and get the discounted student discount. I got £400 off mine, and I'm not even a student. I told the woman at Apple I wasn't a student too, and they don't care. As long as you can get a hold of a student card from someone, it doesn't matter.

:lol: you're not wrong, when i bought my air in korea recently the bird was asking me if i was a student or a teacher, she was trying to throw the discount at me
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 02:33:17 PM
Yeah, might as well, my girlfriend is probably buying an Macbook Air for her so Ill just use that one for a while if my goes kabooom.

Whatever you decide, make sure you call Apple and get the discounted student discount. I got £400 off mine, and I'm not even a student. I told the woman at Apple I wasn't a student too, and they don't care. As long as you can get a hold of a student card from someone, it doesn't matter.

The other potential discount is buying it somewhere that doesn't charge tax. No chance of that in the UK, but in PA I can buy from Amazon and I don't get charged tax. Can work out cheaper than the edu discount.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 03:58:10 PM
But I'm a student in a Swedish University, do I get a discount if I buy it in the US?

Because the discount in Sweden still makes it a bit more expensive than if I decided to buy it in the US due to the DOLLAR to SWEDISH KRONA value.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 04:06:35 PM
But I'm a student in Swedish University, do I get a discount if I buy it in the US?

Assuming you mean if you happen to be coming to the US... probably not. You probably just need a .edu email address and not much more. Though, I'm sure it's not hard to just make up a University you attend and then they'll give you it there and then.

If you buy it in Delaware it'll be tax free in-store too...
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 04:10:22 PM
I'll be in Miami. Anyways, Ill be happy enough just to buy it there since ill get it for a couple of hundreds bucks cheaper then buying with the discount of here in Sweden.

We'll see, might also wait till February or so to get the new Macbook Pro problem is i'll probably have to get my father to buy it and he might have to pay taxes for it when bringing it to Sweden.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 04:11:45 PM
I'll be in Miami. Anyways, Ill be happy enough just to buy it there since ill get it for a couple of hundreds bucks cheaper then buying with the discount of here in Sweden.

We'll see, might also wait till February or so to get the new Macbook Pro problem is i'll probably have to get my father to buy it and he might have to pay taxes for it when bringing it to Sweden.

You're going to Miami when you could be going to Delaware? :pilko:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: brummie on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 10:14:34 PM
Brummie, what was the really bad Mac you had?

A powerbook G4 in about 2001. The machine was an absolute lemon. Got sent back (to Frankfurt, where Apple did all their repairs then) about 5 times.

By the end, all the major components (inc logic board) had been replaced, and it was still s***.

Title: Re: WIP
Post by: wacko on Wednesday 5 October 2011, 10:38:29 PM
I have a 17" MBP. It's a sexy ass mother f***ing piece of work.

However, if you want portability, it's not the boy you want, just go 15".

Tho if you want SEXY portability, as wacko says, a MBA would be a delight, with optional (non-Apple) monitor.

Oh man. The bird just brought her new MBA over. It's the first time I've had a proper go on one, and it's sensational. It's so slim and light. It feels a fraction of the size of my crappy netbook and ten times the computer (I think in reality it's about 7x as fast). It's barely any bigger and heavier than an iPad, and with its SSD, it's a *lot* snappier than my meaty Mac Pro. Absolutely marvellous.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 6 October 2011, 02:37:37 AM
I have a 17" MBP. It's a sexy ass mother f***ing piece of work.

However, if you want portability, it's not the boy you want, just go 15".

Tho if you want SEXY portability, as wacko says, a MBA would be a delight, with optional (non-Apple) monitor.

Oh man. The bird just brought her new MBA over. It's the first time I've had a proper go on one, and it's sensational. It's so slim and light. It feels a fraction of the size of my crappy netbook and ten times the computer (I think in reality it's about 7x as fast). It's barely any bigger and heavier than an iPad, and with its SSD, it's a *lot* snappier than my meaty Mac Pro. Absolutely marvellous.

it's frightening what they've managed to do with it now mind, and what they'll do with it as time goes by - as you say it's barely any bigger or heavier than an iPad, great machine :thup:
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Monday 24 October 2011, 03:20:16 PM
They've released some new MBPs with a lil spec bump, if anyone was playing the waiting game.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 28 October 2011, 09:15:33 AM
if you buy the apple works package, pages, keynote etc. are they in anyway compatible with microsoft documents?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Friday 28 October 2011, 09:46:34 AM
if you buy the apple works package, pages, keynote etc. are they in anyway compatible with microsoft documents?

Think you might be OK if you remember to save in MS-compatible formats every time with 'Save As'. The .pages files aren't compatible themselves.

I'd recommend Open Office, it's really good and free. Keynote is better than MS PowerPoint IMO but I'm not a fan of the other Apple office products at all.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 28 October 2011, 02:00:06 PM
I like the iWork products tbh, but it just was too annoying to go and make sure you Save As/Export everything to .doc everytime you're finished. Just got office in the end.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 2 November 2011, 09:52:54 AM
Basically my Macbook has said capout now. Keyboard and trackpad aint working. So have installed a extern keyboard and mouse for it work. Still wanting to wait for the next macbook pro to be released before purchasing a new one since its at the end of a cycle.

My question is though if someone has had an experience with Mac Mini? Worth getting? Do they work with a laptop or a PC screen?
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: JS on Wednesday 2 November 2011, 10:15:46 AM
Basically my Macbook has said capout now. Keyboard and trackpad aint working. So have installed a extern keyboard and mouse for it work. Still wanting to wait for the next macbook pro to be released before purchasing a new one since its at the end of a cycle.

My question is though if someone has had an experience with Mac Mini? Worth getting? Do they work with a laptop or a PC screen?

They are basically a standard desktop computer but just really small. Mind you, they are reliable like. I used to work for Apple and when the place had an overhaul thats what all the staff used. You have to spend a fair bit of cash though to spec it up because the standard version is s***
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Pip on Wednesday 2 November 2011, 11:27:58 AM
The new MacBook Pros have been released, so if you buy one now you'll be buying them right at the beginning of the cycle; pretty much the best time to do it.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 2 November 2011, 11:33:19 AM
Aye. And if you're waiting for an actual redesign, you'll be waiting some time.
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 2 November 2011, 12:14:30 PM
80% of the time they're a minor spec bump... You're going to be waiting 7 or 8 months for a new model IMO.

http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro (http://buyersguide.macrumors.com/#MacBook_Pro)
Title: Re: WIP
Post by: Pip on Wednesday 2 November 2011, 01:53:16 PM
The new ones won't be out until Intel release their new chip, and that's not due until Q2, so it's probably going to be August next year when a new MacBook