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Title: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 30 July 2013, 11:38:30 PM
TDC is happy to get us started here:

Bale's been much better since AVB told him to not bother tracking back. I'm serious btw. I remember Vertoghnen getting raped again and again at City I think. 2 players all the time. Most of the time it worked a treat.

R. Madrid do the same with Cronaldo. They won't work in the same team like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Tuesday 30 July 2013, 11:42:29 PM
Titus Bramble was a very good defender for the majority of his career here.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 30 July 2013, 11:43:01 PM
I like Alan Pardew
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 30 July 2013, 11:43:03 PM
I really like Robbie Savage
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 30 July 2013, 11:44:16 PM
I agree with him completely, Ronaldo and Bale won't work.

Especially when you consider both of Madrid's fullbacks are ridiculously attacking and very poor defensively.

Having two people starting from a wide position and floating about not contributing anything defensively would be a disaster.

Which is why i don't understand the move it doesn't make any sense from a balance point of view and would f*ck up the system Ancelotti is trying to build.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: maybe_next_year on Tuesday 30 July 2013, 11:50:39 PM
Shola was at one point a premier league quality striker and is still capable of playing a role in our squad now. He also dosn't deserve the abuse he gets, as one of the main reasons he is so slow and immobile now is because he played through a serious hip injury for the sake of the club and after all he dosn't pick himself.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Tuesday 30 July 2013, 11:54:24 PM
I agree with him completely, Ronaldo and Bale won't work.

Especially when you consider both of Madrid's fullbacks are ridiculously attacking and very poor defensively.

Having two people starting from a wide position and floating about not contributing anything defensively would be a disaster.

Which is why i don't understand the move it doesn't make any sense from a balance point of view and would f*ck up the system Ancelotti is trying to build.
would real madrid consider using ronaldo in a withdrawn no.9 like messi ? (i'm sure ronaldo played through the middle sometimes at man utd)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:01:20 AM
Barcelona are boring as f***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:02:55 AM
Barcelona are boring as f***.

That's actually quite trendy now, despite being completely wrong.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:04:08 AM
I agree with him completely, Ronaldo and Bale won't work.

Especially when you consider both of Madrid's fullbacks are ridiculously attacking and very poor defensively.

Having two people starting from a wide position and floating about not contributing anything defensively would be a disaster.

Which is why i don't understand the move it doesn't make any sense from a balance point of view and would f*ck up the system Ancelotti is trying to build.
would real madrid consider using ronaldo in a withdrawn no.9 like messi ? (i'm sure ronaldo played through the middle sometimes at man utd)

Perhaps but i'm not sure it suits him all that well, Ronaldo needs a lot more space to thrive in than Messi does and on top of that it would restrict the likes of Ozil as he would be taking up the space he would usually vacate.

Good luck to Ancelotti if they get Bale anyway, to me that is just one massive tactical clusterfuck.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:04:12 AM
Barcelona are boring as f***.

That's actually quite trendy now, despite being completely wrong.

I must have a word with my eyes and brain, for they are telling me lies. That and i haven't missed a game of theirs for nearly 4 years (well every one shown on the TV).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: thomas on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:04:54 AM
Yeah I'd better not.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:07:11 AM
Gary Neville isn't very good.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:07:32 AM
The unpopular football opinion thread ?

I'll give this another go.

Ian W is a very knowledgeable poster and not in the least a sp**.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:08:58 AM
I rated Drogba's diving.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:11:37 AM
Iniesta is OK.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:12:19 AM
Theres far too much football on tv.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nemtizz on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:12:24 AM
I enjoy our corners.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:13:02 AM
Iniesta is OK.

Tylr stahp
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kaizero on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:18:35 AM
I like International football, even the friendlies.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:26:32 AM
I wish we'd stop just signing french players
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: themanupstairs on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:27:21 AM
Fabregas is extremely overrated. Immense talent, but has no real desire. Bottler of the highest order.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:29:58 AM
Fabregas is extremely overrated. Immense talent, but has no real desire. Bottler of the highest order.


absolutely fantastic when at arsenal, moved up and didn't make it. be very intersting if he has any desire when,if he moves on.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:30:47 AM
Zabaleta is probably one of the top few right backs in the world IMO, he's a terrific player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:31:36 AM
Zabaleta is probably one of the top few right backs in the world IMO, he's a terrific player.
statement of fact rather than unpopular opinion.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:34:00 AM
I hate that chest beating/fist pumping s***  Taylor does
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: GeordieAce on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:45:28 AM
Prefer Ronaldo to Messi.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:46:29 AM
Good one.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:59:37 AM
Mancini is a good manager who ultimately recieved a raw deal at Man City
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LFEE on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:09:34 AM
AP talks sense in his interviews if you are capable of reading between the lines...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: diddimz on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:13:31 AM
I enjoy watching the A League.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:31:15 AM
I enjoy a long ball team if its done well. And I mean an epic goalie kick, headed flick on by the big lump up front to set the one speedy midget in the side away and slot it past the keeper.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:31:28 AM
Cryptic Pardew :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nemtizz on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:32:28 AM
I hate that chest beating/fist pumping s***  Taylor does

I love that s***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:32:56 AM
By and large I find football pretty boring to watch unless it's an important game, Newcastle are playing, or I'm with people.

I'll rarely go out of my way to watch run of the mill games by myself.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:39:41 AM
There is real beauty in a properly sprung counter-attack.

Which is to say, teams that play 'defend-and-counter' football can look just as graceful as teams playing possession football.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:49:19 AM
I mean, what sport has suffered because they added playoffs? Get rid of the league cup that no one cares about, move the league fixtures into those old LC spots. You only need three matches if you go one and done.

Top eight teams like in NBA/NHL make it. One and done. No legs, no agg. Final top eight standings determined by winner, 2nd place, winner of 3rd, loser of 3rd place playoff. Then 4-8 could be GD.

Gives every team something to play for all year. Midtable teams pushing for that 8th spot, get a chance to compete for the trophy.

Best team isn't always the team in first.

:lol: I'll f*** off. I'm just saying, is all.

:lol: Not trying to argue! It just fits in here, I think.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Theregulars on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:49:55 AM
I rate Brendan Rodgers as a manager.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:57:32 AM
Mancini is a good manager who ultimately recieved a raw deal at Man City

Any manager with that amount of money spent on his team cannot claim to have received a raw deal.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 01:59:47 AM
I mean, what sport has suffered because they added playoffs? Get rid of the league cup that no one cares about, move the league fixtures into those old LC spots. You only need three matches if you go one and done.

Top eight teams like in NBA/NHL make it. One and done. No legs, no agg. Final top eight standings determined by winner, 2nd place, winner of 3rd, loser of 3rd place playoff. Then 4-8 could be GD.

Gives every team something to play for all year. Midtable teams pushing for that 8th spot, get a chance to compete for the trophy.

Best team isn't always the team in first.

:lol: I'll f*** off. I'm just saying, is all.

:lol: Not trying to argue! It just fits in here, I think.

It's all an exercise in self-flaggelation to you, man. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 02:04:21 AM
:lol: I'm not looking to discuss s*** about that damn thing. This thread is for like, one shot "I think something s*** is great" posts, and I think something that people think is really s*** is great.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 02:09:15 AM
You'll be flayed nonetheless. Remember that s*** whatshisname got about well-done steaks? :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 02:16:44 AM
Dortmund play the most exciting football in Europe. High pressing counter attacking is a thing of beauty.

Marco Reus is one of the best players in Europe.

Gotze is overrated.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 02:36:26 AM
Darren Bent is a good striker.

Always felt Alex Song was overrated and got crucified for it.

Evra is better than Baines.

Jonny Evans is brilliant.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: merlin on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 02:45:13 AM
Pardew is a tactical genius, a master at getting the best out of his players, and a man you could trust with your life....can't imagine why other clubs let him go..
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 02:55:36 AM
Evra is better than Baines.

Come off it man. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: maybe_next_year on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 02:57:27 AM
Dortmund play the most exciting football in Europe. High pressing counter attacking is a thing of beauty.

Marco Reus is one of the best players in Europe.

Gotze is overrated.



The first one definatly isn't an unpopular opinion.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:01:58 AM
Evra is better than Baines.

Come off it man. :lol:

Obviously Baines' set pieces are an asset, but I don't think there's anything in their defending and Evra is better going forward.


IM unpopular O.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:03:04 AM
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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:05:50 AM
To be fair Evra had a cracking season last year. Adding to the fact I support Manchester United and I absolutely adore Evra this is probably one of the rare cases where I'm a bit biased. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: thomas on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:08:35 AM
To be fair Evra had a cracking season last year. Adding to the fact I support Manchester United and I absolutely adore Evra this is probably one of the rare cases where I'm a bit biased. :lol:
When he scored that header against us last year I wanted the world to die. I can usually tolerate him but that literally sent me apoplectic.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:11:40 AM
To be fair Evra had a cracking season last year. Adding to the fact I support Manchester United and I absolutely adore Evra this is probably one of the rare cases where I'm a bit biased. :lol:
When he scored that header against us last year I wanted the world to die. I can usually tolerate him but that literally sent me apoplectic.

I would have thought his goal in the 4-3 would have hurt more.

Typical for you guys like. He hasn't scored over a goal a season in 8 years with us. Last season he scores 4 and 2 are against NUFC. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:14:08 AM
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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pata on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:17:43 AM
By and large I find football pretty boring to watch unless it's an important game, Newcastle are playing, or I'm with people.

I'll rarely go out of my way to watch run of the mill games by myself.

This. I like to watch all the PL games I can on the first few weeks to see all the new players and just the excitement of a new season. After September I have the games on but I'm always doing something else during the games and not really paying attention.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:28:25 AM
:anguish: appreciate the art more, gents.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:36:15 AM
I find it easier to pick-up a random MLS game than a random PL game for some reason.

I'm not as attached to any particular MLS team as I am to Newcastle, so maybe that has something to do with it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 03:42:55 AM
I just love football man. Used to love being back home and watching Super Sunday where'd you get two Premier League games and then a La Liga one straight after. ESPN used to have Serie A highlights on after that too. :lol:

I'd say the only other sport/game that catches my attention as much as football is darts, but it's obviously not even close. Football is life.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 07:10:15 AM
Dortmund play the most exciting football in Europe. High pressing counter attacking is a thing of beauty.

Marco Reus is one of the best players in Europe.

Gotze is overrated.


You're not very good at this :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:14:03 AM
We shouldn't sign a CB.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:27:28 AM
We'll finish 8th-10th even with no signings this season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:32:24 AM
I like Steven Gerrard.

I don't hate Mike Ashley. I want him gone, don't get me wrong, but I just can't bring myself to hate him. The same goes for JFK.Stockholm syndrome ftw.

I f***ing love a hard tackle. It's like some kind of weird fetish .  :lol:

Probably not an unpopular opinion, but I just don't enjoy watching football as much as I did when I was younger. That's probably linked with our general shitness. Last season I hardly watched any CL games, and I couldn't give a flying f*** about the PL, or any other league.

Santon is probably my favourite NUFC-player, and I enjoy watching him just as much as the likes of Ben Arfa.

I still like Tiote and I f***ing love Shola.





Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:39:25 AM
Ban this sick b******.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Andymc1 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:55:45 AM
I think the Premier League is as weak now as it ever has been.

I dont think Debuchy will cut it (from the early evidence).

I think Sissoko has zero technical ability and is the kind of footballer I hate to watch. 

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:55:50 AM
To be fair Evra had a cracking season last year. Adding to the fact I support Manchester United and I absolutely adore Evra this is probably one of the rare cases where I'm a bit biased. :lol:
When he scored that header against us last year I wanted the world to die. I can usually tolerate him but that literally sent me apoplectic.

I would have thought his goal in the 4-3 would have hurt more.

Typical for you guys like. He hasn't scored over a goal a season in 8 years with us. Last season he scores 4 and 2 are against NUFC. :lol:

We are THAT team. Any droughts we are there to end. We should probably start charging for it tbh.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:04:23 AM
Danny Wellbeck is Man United's Shola
Tom Cleverly is overrated
i also like Steven Gerrard
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:23:02 AM
I think 'Welbeck is quality' is about the same level of controversial as 'Welbeck is s***' TBH, nobody seems to know. I really like him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:27:53 AM
Saying a player is "overrated" means f*** all, it definitely doesn't make it an "unpopular opinion".
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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:30:48 AM
I hate that chest beating/fist pumping s***  Taylor does

I love that s***.

I know you do. I've always thought less of you because of that tbh
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Phil K on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:33:26 AM
To be fair Evra had a cracking season last year. Adding to the fact I support Manchester United and I absolutely adore Evra this is probably one of the rare cases where I'm a bit biased. :lol:
When he scored that header against us last year I wanted the world to die. I can usually tolerate him but that literally sent me apoplectic.

I would have thought his goal in the 4-3 would have hurt more.

Typical for you guys like. He hasn't scored over a goal a season in 8 years with us. Last season he scores 4 and 2 are against NUFC. :lol:

Sigh. I'ts true, sadly. It's 'cos we're cursed (seriously) anything that CAN go wrong, generally does.
I mean, if you need proof of that statement, all I can say is Ashley...... Pardew.......KINNEAR for God's sake....
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:53:47 AM
I think the Premier League is as weak now as it ever has been.

I dont think Debuchy will cut it (from the early evidence).

I think Sissoko has zero technical ability and is the kind of footballer I hate to watch.


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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bowlingcrofty on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:56:02 AM
I think Darren Bent would be a decent signing. f*** yeah.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:00:13 AM
Graham Carr isn't a good talent scout. He is just a man who is good at networking and schmoozing with French agents.

Arsene Wenger is f***ing brilliant.

Bundesliga is way overrated in terms of the football actually played, aside from that it's brilliant.

Holding the World Cup in Russia is a good thing (apart from England not getting it)

We should have a winter break but with sanctions meaning teams have to down tools. It should come in January.

Having a near totally foreign squad is f***ing w***.

Part of me hopes the PL bubble totally bursts.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:04:41 AM
Kieron Dyer was a vastly overrated footballer.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:06:38 AM
Graham Carr isn't a good talent scout. He is just a man who is good at networking and schmoozing with French agents.

I agree with that. He's a good spotter of the right deal at the right time than actually spotting players. At least that's what he's done for us. Not that one is better than the other like, the effect is still us getting good players for superb prices.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:08:33 AM
Graham Carr isn't a good talent scout. He is just a man who is good at networking and schmoozing with French agents.

Arsene Wenger is f***ing brilliant.

Bundesliga is way overrated in terms of the football actually played.

Holding the World Cup in Russia is a good thing (apart from England not getting it)

We should have a winter break but with sanctions meaning teams have to down tools. It should come in January.

Having a near totally foreign squad is f***ing w***.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:12:22 AM
Theres far too much football on tv.


:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:38:04 AM
There's not enough on TV.

Give me copious amounts of football over 90% of other stuff on telly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:42:41 AM
Graham Carr isn't a good talent scout. He is just a man who is good at networking and schmoozing with French agents.

100% correct imo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:44:01 AM
There's not enough on TV.

Give me copious amounts of football over 90% of other stuff on telly.

Same, I don't have Sky so I definitely don't think there's enough on. Specifically not being able to watch every NUFC game is a pain.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:49:39 AM
Fabregas is extremely overrated. Immense talent, but has no real desire. Bottler of the highest order.


absolutely fantastic when at arsenal, moved up and didn't make it. be very intersting if he has any desire when,if he moves on.

He's not a bottler like. I like the way he insists on taking the 5th penalty for Spain in shoot-outs.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Lenny on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:50:00 AM
Graham Carr isn't a good talent scout. He is just a man who is good at networking and schmoozing with French agents.

100% correct imo.

Err... isn't this a skill that makes someone a good scout? Particularly a head scout?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:51:00 AM
Graham Carr isn't a good talent scout. He is just a man who is good at networking and schmoozing with French agents.

100% correct imo.

Err... isn't this a skill that makes someone a good scout? Particularly a head scout?

Was thinking the very same.  :thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:52:50 AM
I think 'Welbeck is quality' is about the same level of controversial as 'Welbeck is s***' TBH, nobody seems to know. I really like him.
Haha agreed. He hasn't played enough nor is he mature enough to make that distinction. If he could make a Walcott like improvement in finishing he'd be a top, top player imo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:53:16 AM
Exactly. :lol:

Apart from Amalfitano who was a no risk signing, not many of his recommendations have flopped. He has to have an eye for talent for that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:55:21 AM
Arsene Wenger is f***ing brilliant.


Second best manager in the league - at least. STILL the best coach in the league.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:01:39 AM
Graham Carr isn't a good talent scout. He is just a man who is good at networking and schmoozing with French agents.

100% correct imo.

Err... isn't this a skill that makes someone a good scout? Particularly a head scout?

Was thinking the very same.  :thup:

A scout to me is someone who can identify players that are relative unknowns or playing s**** who then turn out to be very good. E.g. When Arsenal signed Vieira, K. Toure, Anelka etc.

Not someone who can identify a French league winner/international as being a good player. Most people with eyes could do that.

As I stated his networking/schmoozing skills (in France) are very good and he has got us some good deals.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:06:18 AM
Titus Bramble was a very good defender for the majority of his career here.

Very good? For the Majority? Can't agree with that like. He had his days and occasionally he would put together a 2 or 3 game run where he didn't do something ridiculous, but even when he was solid in defence he was still smashing the ball 60 yards up the pitch and out of touch. You simply can't be a very good premier league defender without a brain.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:09:33 AM
On his day, Titus was brilliant - quick, strong, good on the ball.  It was just that it didn't happen often enough.  I seem to remember him being brilliant against Juventus in the CL and thinking that if he could play like that every week...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:10:48 AM
Titus Bramble was a very good defender for the majority of his career here.

but even when he was solid in defence he was still smashing the ball 60 yards up the pitch and out of touch.

:thup: Used to properly wind me up, that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:12:12 AM
Titus had all the attributes to be a top defender.  He played some really good games, but I will always remember him for the f*** ups he did and there are plenty of them.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:13:12 AM
Bramble's problem, and something you need at the very highest level was concentration. He used to consitently switch off and make ridiculous decisions.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:14:59 AM
O'Brien was a better defender than Bramble. Both woefully short of what was needed at the time though. Massive blackspot for SBR.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: thenige on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:21:22 AM
Stewart Downing and James Milner are both quality Premier League footballers.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:21:53 AM
Arsene Wenger is f***ing brilliant.
...
Having a near totally foreign squad is f***ing w***.

Part of me hopes the PL bubble totally bursts.

I nearly posted something along the lines of that last one. I haven't made my mind up yet on whether I just want the "big" clubs to just f*** off into a European Super League, so I don't have to worry about this s*** any more.

Wenger is a c***, but brilliant.

Also an unpopular Spurs football opinion - Sol Campbell was in the right all along.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:25:11 AM
Agree RE: Carr.

He's brilliant at networking, building up a list of contacts and getting information regarding contract situations but he's not really unearthing unknown players.

Ultimately what we need is more people of his ability based elsewhere.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:25:18 AM
Titus Bramble was a very good defender for the majority of his career here.

but even when he was solid in defence he was still smashing the ball 60 yards up the pitch and out of touch.

:thup: Used to properly wind me up, that.
Probably should say 'into touch' :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 12:05:27 PM
If Titus played for us now, he'd be our best passer.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:11:30 PM
Right, come on now.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:12:17 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:15:22 PM
I quite like Souness as a pundit (as long as he's not talking about us).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:17:26 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

die in a fire
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:17:36 PM
I quite like Souness as a pundit (as long as he's not talking about us).

Yeah he's ok actually.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:18:09 PM
I quite like Souness as a pundit (as long as he's not talking about us).

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: brummie on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:18:38 PM
Stewart Downing and James Milner are both quality Premier League footballers.

James Milner is a brilliant player. When used correctly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:18:40 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

die in a fire

Sadly, I'm going to agree with Sewelly on this one.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:19:32 PM
Titus Bramble was a very good defender for the majority of his career here.

Very good? For the Majority? Can't agree with that like. He had his days and occasionally he would put together a 2 or 3 game run where he didn't do something ridiculous, but even when he was solid in defence he was still smashing the ball 60 yards up the pitch and out of touch. You simply can't be a very good premier league defender without a brain.
Titus Bramble was a good player. Relatively quick, strong, good in the air. Was capable of some magnificent performances.


Always likely to drop a clanger though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:20:09 PM
Stewart Downing and James Milner are both quality Premier League footballers.

James Milner is a brilliant player. When used correctly.

Downing, on the other hand, is a waste of skin.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:21:32 PM
I think Shola's the best finisher I've seen at the club aside from Shearer and possibly Ba (baring in mind I go back to about 98). Shame he's guff at everything else. Viduka would probably be closest to Shearer but I'm going to discount him because he barely played.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:22:02 PM
On his day, Titus was brilliant - quick, strong, good on the ball.  It was just that it didn't happen often enough.  I seem to remember him being brilliant against Juventus in the CL and thinking that if he could play like that every week...
Exactly this. On his day he's everything you want from a CB. He was a better player for us than Saylor has turned out to be.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:22:30 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

die in a fire

Sadly, I'm going to agree with Sewelly on this one.

:okay:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:23:46 PM
On his day, Titus was brilliant - quick, strong, good on the ball.  It was just that it didn't happen often enough.  I seem to remember him being brilliant against Juventus in the CL and thinking that if he could play like that every week...
Exactly this. On his day he's everything you want from a CB. He was a better player for us than Saylor has turned out to be.

Bramble has never come close to the odd run of form Taylor has had for us. For all I'm not particularly keen on him, Taylor's had more than one lengthy spell of being just about imperious. Bramble had the tools but ultimately he was f***ing garbage for us and I celebrated his signing to Wigan like a goal. His sending off for the Mackems against us was glorious, too.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:24:32 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

die in a fire

Sadly, I'm going to agree with Sewelly on this one.

:okay:

First season, when I still didn't know loads about football, I loved him (Parker).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:25:29 PM
Titus Bramble was a very good defender for the majority of his career here.

Very good? For the Majority? Can't agree with that like. He had his days and occasionally he would put together a 2 or 3 game run where he didn't do something ridiculous, but even when he was solid in defence he was still smashing the ball 60 yards up the pitch and out of touch. You simply can't be a very good premier league defender without a brain.
Titus Bramble was a good player. Relatively quick, strong, good in the air. Was capable of some magnificent performances.


Always likely to drop a clanger though.

Aye, but he wasn't 'very good for the majority of his time here'. Or anything close.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:26:17 PM
Parker was decent 1st season (mind our best run that season came when he was out).  2nd season he was gash and completely shown up by Nicky Butt which said it all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:27:18 PM
God, I f***ing hated Nicky Butt. The constant attempts at the clever dink over the defence, the free kicks. He was horrid.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:27:45 PM
Jean-Alain EightMillion was probably the only CB I disliked more than Bramble. Didn't mind O'Brien; he was one of those squaddies who you knew wasn't great and never expected a great deal from, but put in a decent shift. Like a better Williamson, really.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:28:17 PM
On his day, Titus was brilliant - quick, strong, good on the ball.  It was just that it didn't happen often enough.  I seem to remember him being brilliant against Juventus in the CL and thinking that if he could play like that every week...
Exactly this. On his day he's everything you want from a CB. He was a better player for us than Saylor has turned out to be.

Bramble has never come close to the odd run of form Taylor has had for us. For all I'm not particularly keen on him, Taylor's had more than one lengthy spell of being just about imperious. Bramble had the tools but ultimately he was f***ing garbage for us and I celebrated his signing to Wigan like a goal. His sending off for the Mackems against us was glorious, too.

Nah, not for me. Bramble played for a better team regularly, aye. But he was good enough to play regularly in a side that had a few decent cup runsn and league finishes.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:31:30 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

I liked him aswell and felt he was harshly treated. I remember people rating Nicky Butt over him, which I found mental.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:32:36 PM
Tiote and Cabaye is not a good partnership.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:32:42 PM
Nicky Butt and Scott Parker in a 4-4-2 was a recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:33:11 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

I liked him aswell and felt he was harshly treated. I remember people rating Nicky Butt over him, which I found mental.

Nicky Butt was far better than him in 06/07.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:33:41 PM
Tiote and Cabaye is not a good partnership.

:thup:

Don't complement each other at all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Lenny on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:34:40 PM
Tiote and Cabaye is not a good partnership.

Yeah because that's an unpopular opinion :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:37:27 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

I liked him aswell and felt he was harshly treated. I remember people rating Nicky Butt over him, which I found mental.

Nicky Butt was far better than him in 06/07.

But wasn't that partly because Butt was given the simple job of being a DM, while Parker was expected to get forward and create because he was considered the more talented of the two? I felt we should have stuck by Parker and I thought it was crazy how quickly people turned on him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:37:29 PM
Tiote and Cabaye is not a good partnership.

Yeah because that's an unpopular opinion :lol:

There's still people out there that persist with it, i won't rest until the idea of them together is eliminated completely :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Lenny on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:42:37 PM
Tiote and Cabaye is not a good partnership.

Yeah because that's an unpopular opinion :lol:

There's still people out there that persist with it, i won't rest until the idea of them together is eliminated completely :lol:

I'm on the fence with the seemingly common agreement that Tiote is now s***, but it seems to be a pretty popular opinion that Tiote + anyone is not a good partnership :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:43:56 PM
Tiote is not nearly as bad as people like to make out.  If he can recover the form he had for us during the first season and half, he is a good player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Lenny on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:44:44 PM
I think Scott Parker is mint and he was one of my favourite players here.

I liked him aswell and felt he was harshly treated. I remember people rating Nicky Butt over him, which I found mental.

Nicky Butt was far better than him in 06/07.

But wasn't that partly because Butt was given the simple job of being a DM, while Parker was expected to get forward and create because he was considered the more talented of the two? I felt we should have stuck by Parker and I thought it was crazy how quickly people turned on him.

Thinking about it, you could replace Parker's name with Tiote there and you'd have the situation we're in now with him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 04:47:01 PM
Tiote-Cabaye-Marv in a midfield 3 is the way forward. Got a bit of everything that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 06:22:10 PM
Tiote-Cabaye-Marv in a midfield 3 is the way forward. Got a bit of everything that.

Except Marv seems to be barely fit, Tiote has turned into a headless chicken and Cabaye doesn't seem arsed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 06:23:03 PM
Tiote-Cabaye-Marv in a midfield 3 is the way forward. Got a bit of everything that.

Sissoko?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 06:23:50 PM
Tiote-Cabaye-Marv in a midfield 3 is the way forward. Got a bit of everything that.

Except penetration. Sissoko, Cabaye, Marveaux is the best we can put out, though it's far from perfect.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:47:12 PM
I really like Robbie Savage

I don't believe you.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: 54 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:54:55 PM
Jonas isn't as bad as people on here make out, saying that with a fully fit squad he shouldn't be in the starting line up.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 08:56:45 PM
The Premiership isn't the best league in the world, maybe the most exciting but nowhere near the best.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:02:26 PM
Jonas isn't as bad as people on here make out, saying that with a fully fit squad he shouldn't be in the starting line up.
He is like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:06:33 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:09:40 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/forever-no.gif) (http://reactiongifs.com/?p=13946)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:10:07 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:10:55 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:12:01 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJLzGftp8Ws
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Oakie Doke on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:14:00 PM
Pleat was great for comedic value.
 
"This will be the first time we will be two thirds of the way through the match."
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:19:28 PM
I enjoy the so called s*** games like Stoke v West Ham, it's football what's not to like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Sifu on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:24:30 PM
As indicated in The unpopular opinion thread in General Chat:

I don't mind the band at England games.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:35:58 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:37:12 PM
I wish Kevin Keegan had signed Paul Ince. What a player he was.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:37:24 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:37:54 PM
I quite like Paolo Di Canio's passion.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:38:41 PM
I have plenty of unpopular opinions but only two come to mind right now:

1) Milner was a fantastic player for us. Was gutted when we sold him.

2) We shouldn't have sacked Allardyce.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:39:40 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:

I have to say, his Spurs side of 86-87 was one of the most entertaining sides I've ever seen. Hoddle and Waddle feeding an unstoppable striker in Clive Allen. Criminal they won f*** all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dan Gleebals on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:41:13 PM
We should appreciate everything Ashley has done for us.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: chicken little on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:44:34 PM
I wish Kevin Keegan had signed Paul Ince. What a player he was.

i went on a mental and bizarre drug-addled spiritual journey to an alternate past the other day. one where at the same time as we signed beardsley back, keegan also brought back gascoigne and waddle.

it was a glorious and fantastic voyage, though on reflection it would be incredibly hard to work as a real-life football team.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:45:19 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:

I have to say, his Spurs side of 86-87 was one of the most entertaining sides I've ever seen. Hoddle and Waddle feeding an unstoppable striker in Clive Allen. Criminal they won f*** all.

Aye, the 4-5-1 system he deployed was a great way to play, Clive Allen just excelled in it up top.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:46:05 PM
I have plenty of unpopular opinions but only two come to mind right now:

1) Milner was a fantastic player for us. Was gutted when we sold him.

2) We shouldn't have sacked Allardyce.

[img width= height=]http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/baby-punch.gif[/img] (http://reactiongifs.com/?p=10795)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:47:28 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:

I have to say, his Spurs side of 86-87 was one of the most entertaining sides I've ever seen. Hoddle and Waddle feeding an unstoppable striker in Clive Allen. Criminal they won f*** all.

Aye, the 4-5-1 system he deployed was a great way to play, Clive Allen just excelled in it up top.

It's fair to say Pleat was a real innovator here....before then 4-5-1 was always used in a negative manner, generally used by sides trying to leave Anfield or Goodison with a point.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:48:56 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:

I have to say, his Spurs side of 86-87 was one of the most entertaining sides I've ever seen. Hoddle and Waddle feeding an unstoppable striker in Clive Allen. Criminal they won f*** all.

Aye, the 4-5-1 system he deployed was a great way to play, Clive Allen just excelled in it up top.

It's fair to say Pleat was a real innovator here....before then 4-5-1 was always used in a negative manner, generally used by sides trying to leave Anfield or Goodison with a point.

Very true, i loved the way Hoddle was able to play in this system. It was Hoddle as his best imo. Now that was when a long pass was brilliant.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:53:36 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:

I have to say, his Spurs side of 86-87 was one of the most entertaining sides I've ever seen. Hoddle and Waddle feeding an unstoppable striker in Clive Allen. Criminal they won f*** all.

Aye, the 4-5-1 system he deployed was a great way to play, Clive Allen just excelled in it up top.

It's fair to say Pleat was a real innovator here....before then 4-5-1 was always used in a negative manner, generally used by sides trying to leave Anfield or Goodison with a point.

Very true, i loved the way Hoddle was able to play in this system. It was Hoddle as his best imo. Now that was when a long pass was brilliant.


He was the finest I've ever seen, criminally under rated, and under used by Sir Bobby too.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:55:05 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:

I have to say, his Spurs side of 86-87 was one of the most entertaining sides I've ever seen. Hoddle and Waddle feeding an unstoppable striker in Clive Allen. Criminal they won f*** all.

Aye, the 4-5-1 system he deployed was a great way to play, Clive Allen just excelled in it up top.

It's fair to say Pleat was a real innovator here....before then 4-5-1 was always used in a negative manner, generally used by sides trying to leave Anfield or Goodison with a point.

Very true, i loved the way Hoddle was able to play in this system. It was Hoddle as his best imo. Now that was when a long pass was brilliant.


He was the finest I've ever seen, criminally under rated, and under used by Sir Bobby too.

Yeah the England thing didn't make sense at all, for me he was clearly our most skillful and talented midfielder at the time.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:57:07 PM
I think Lampard is and has been a superior player to Gerrard.

I never saw why people used to describe Fowler as the best natural finisher in England.  I thought he was quite average.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ste on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 09:59:12 PM
Always rated Lampard higher than Gerrard. Gerrard should have been dropped for England instead of trying to shoe horn the pair of them for so many games when it clearly wasn't working.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:01:46 PM
I'm the opposite. Lampard to me always has never been a team player, preferring to have 20 shots from 20 yards out every week and getting lucky now and again.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:02:33 PM
Gerrard is a better all-round player. Lampard produced far more in an England shirt.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:04:41 PM
I'm the opposite. Lampard to me always has never been a team player, preferring to have 20 shots from 20 yards out every week and getting lucky now and again.

Why does he have the most assists in PL history behind Giggs then? You know I think you're a top poster Billy but the above is just nonsense perpetuated by people who can't stand him for his upper-middle class roots and prefer council lad Gerrard.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:05:57 PM
Most of my opinions seem to be unpopular.

Here's a new one - David Pleat is a good pundit.

He was a better kerb crawler.

He wasn't like, he got caught.

Ah, but how many times did he crawl the kerbs before he was caught? If he did it once without being caught it makes him a better crawler than pundit.

Good point, i wonder how many times he got away with it.... :hmm:

I have to say, his Spurs side of 86-87 was one of the most entertaining sides I've ever seen. Hoddle and Waddle feeding an unstoppable striker in Clive Allen. Criminal they won f*** all.

Aye, the 4-5-1 system he deployed was a great way to play, Clive Allen just excelled in it up top.

It's fair to say Pleat was a real innovator here....before then 4-5-1 was always used in a negative manner, generally used by sides trying to leave Anfield or Goodison with a point.

Very true, i loved the way Hoddle was able to play in this system. It was Hoddle as his best imo. Now that was when a long pass was brilliant.


He was the finest I've ever seen, criminally under rated, and under used by Sir Bobby too.

Yeah the England thing didn't make sense at all, for me he was clearly our most skillful and talented midfielder at the time.

He'd walk into our side now that's for sure. I've never seen a better passer of the ball, certainly not an English one anyhow.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:05:59 PM
Lampard isn't fat at all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:06:40 PM
Hatem isn't fat at all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:09:10 PM
I'm the opposite. Lampard to me always has never been a team player, preferring to have 20 shots from 20 yards out every week and getting lucky now and again.

Why does he have the most assists in PL history behind Giggs then? You know I think you're a top poster Billy but the above is just nonsense perpetuated by people who can't stand him for his upper-middle class roots and prefer council lad Gerrard.
Who didn't see this coming? :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:13:14 PM
I'm the opposite. Lampard to me always has never been a team player, preferring to have 20 shots from 20 yards out every week and getting lucky now and again.

Why does he have the most assists in PL history behind Giggs then? You know I think you're a top poster Billy but the above is just nonsense perpetuated by people who can't stand him for his upper-middle class roots and prefer council lad Gerrard.

Longevity and the quality of players around him I guess. Deflected off target shots ricochetting into the path of select your Chelsea striker. I don't know. All I know is I've never recognised Lampard as a classy player, as I say football is all about opinions, and it would be tedious if everybody held the same one. Incidentally that last sentence of yours was possibly the worst I've seen on here. Utter nobrot.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:14:33 PM
It probably is popular now, but I think our wage structure is utterly gash and once again limits our ability to sign players of any quality who were paid handsomely before joining us.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:15:18 PM
Jose Mourinho is quite a nasty man at times.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 10:51:26 PM
When there's a clear foul, handball, etc. I've got no problem with a player trying to influence the ref into booking him or waving the imaginary card.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:00:57 PM
When there's a clear foul, handball, etc. I've got no problem with a player trying to influence the ref into booking him or waving the imaginary card.

Ban this sick filth

 : O0
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:34:12 PM
When there's a clear foul, handball, etc. I've got no problem with a player trying to influence the ref into booking him or waving the imaginary card.

You disgust me.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:42:45 PM
When there's a clear foul, handball, etc. I've got no problem with a player trying to influence the ref into booking him or waving the imaginary card.

You're a b****** of a man.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 31 July 2013, 11:50:51 PM
I love penalty box grappling, cynical trips and all other means of defending being pushed right to the limits of acceptability - and wish we had more players who had the nouse to do it and get away with it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:00:27 AM
Vidic.  :love:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jesse Pinkman on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:09:55 AM
Torres is still one of the top strikers in the world.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:11:47 AM
Torres is still one of the top strikers in the world.

Why does he choose to contribute nothing then?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:13:34 AM
That's not just unpopular, it's as wrong as humanly possible.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: n4e on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:16:59 AM
Lawro is class and I enjoy how much he winds everyone else up.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:18:02 AM
Lawro is class and I enjoy how much he winds everyone else up.

Not having that one. He's quite obviously a t***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:18:37 AM
Lawro is class and I enjoy how much he winds everyone else up.

Now this I can agree with.

OK, so if you're the kind of person that needs a squeaky voiced commentator screaming about how glorious everything is then Lawro isn't your man.  Or if you are desperate for a co-commenter who has the eyesight and mental capacity to talk over slomo-replays using hindsight to say exactly where the defender should stand, cos you know the co-commentator is dead right on everything...  But, if like me, you want some foul tempered cynical old c*** making a mockery of anything pathetic on display then there is nobody better than Lawro.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: colinmk on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:19:02 AM
Lawro is class and I enjoy how much he winds everyone else up.

I have to say, sometimes he cracks me up. I'll say he is entertaining at least.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:19:36 AM
It might be nice to have someone on TV who actually gives you a insight into football though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: colinmk on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:20:54 AM
It might be nice to have someone on TV who actually gives you a insight into football though.

I know, at least we have Micheal Owen now......
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:24:38 AM
It might be nice to have someone on TV who actually gives you a insight into football though.

Retired managers would be ace.  Actually, articulate retired managers.  Plus Lawro for japes every now and then.  Lawro was amazing commentating on the scummy Brazilians.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jesse Pinkman on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:30:48 AM
That's not just unpopular, it's as wrong as humanly possible.

An out of form Torres playing in a team that he didn't really fit into still managed over 20 goals last season.

Move him away from Chelsea and I think you still have a top class player on your hands.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:32:02 AM
Torres is a proper Crouch of a striker these days.  Can net a double hat trick against the dog and duck, but cannot control a pass against the likes of Norwich.

You can obviously see glimpses of his former quality, but now his body is letting him down, he needs to man-up (oops, sorry Liverpool c***s) and change his approach.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:41:45 AM
When there's a clear foul, handball, etc. I've got no problem with a player trying to influence the ref into booking him or waving the imaginary card.

Agreed
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:46:10 AM
That's not just unpopular, it's as wrong as humanly possible.

An out of form Torres playing in a team that he didn't really fit into still managed over 20 goals last season.

Move him away from Chelsea and I think you still have a top class player on your hands.

Only 8 of those goals came in the league mind.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: toontownman on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:49:23 AM
It might be nice to have someone on TV who actually gives you a insight into football though.

I know, at least we have Micheal Owen now......

(http://i56.tinypic.com/28lwaie.gif)

The Arseholes always land on their feet as pundits. It makes good television because they are good antagonists.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Thursday 1 August 2013, 12:59:07 AM
When there's a clear foul, handball, etc. I've got no problem with a player trying to influence the ref into booking him or waving the imaginary card.

Agreed.

If someone cynically fouled my team mate I'd have no problem telling the ref to book him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 1 August 2013, 01:21:45 AM
That's not just unpopular, it's as wrong as humanly possible.

An out of form Torres playing in a team that he didn't really fit into still managed over 20 goals last season.

Move him away from Chelsea and I think you still have a top class player on your hands.


How long are you allowed to be "out of form" instead of just not being as good as you once were? Torres has been gash for the last three years or something now. Considering the attacking midfielders at Chelsea's disposal and him being pretty much their only striker the first half of the season, 8 league goals is rubbish.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Thursday 1 August 2013, 02:24:40 AM
I think all professional football players are tremendous role models for the rest of society. There must be a few t***s among them, but it's a very negligible percentage overall.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Thursday 1 August 2013, 08:24:09 AM
How many professional footballers do you know personally?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Andymc1 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 08:50:33 AM
I think footballers deserve the wage they get.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 08:51:55 AM
I hope the money in football eventually implodes the game to get back to a level of the late 90's in terms of money being spent.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:06:16 AM
When there's a clear foul, handball, etc. I've got no problem with a player trying to influence the ref into booking him or waving the imaginary card.

I love penalty box grappling, cynical trips and all other means of defending being pushed right to the limits of acceptability - and wish we had more players who had the nouse to do it and get away with it.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00711/sport-graphics-2007_711806a.jpg)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:38:52 AM
Lawrenson isn't a bad pundit, he's just a bad person.

Beckham is not over rated.

Players that rely on pace are almost all s***, and wont last. Particularly Walcott.

Barcelona aren't fun to watch anymore.

I can't be arsed with Newcastle/Sunderland football patter.

Joe Kinnear has stopped me from giving a s*** about NUFC aside from results.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:39:36 AM
I think footballers deserve the wage they get.

Agree.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:41:04 AM
I think footballers deserve the wage they get.

Agree.

Me too. Although maybe not 'deserve', as how much someone deserves to earn is a fairly nonsense claim.

But they should have the lion's share of the money that is generated from their sport.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Andymc1 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:46:53 AM
I think footballers deserve the wage they get.

Agree.

Me too. Although maybe not 'deserve', as how much someone deserves to earn is a fairly nonsense claim.

But they should have the lion's share of the money that is generated from their sport.

Deserve might not be the best word but it's an entertainment industry, and they seem to be the only entertainers that get scrutinised because of how much they earn.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:50:38 AM
I think footballers deserve the wage they get.

Agree.

Me too. Although maybe not 'deserve', as how much someone deserves to earn is a fairly nonsense claim.

But they should have the lion's share of the money that is generated from their sport.

Deserve might not be the best word but it's an entertainment industry, and they seem to be the only entertainers that get scrutinised because of how much they earn.

Hollywood actors were for a good while.  Mind their pay has came down quite a bit in recent years (offset by earning more if a movie is successful).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Skirge on Thursday 1 August 2013, 11:03:50 AM
I think bringing back standing areas is a bad idea, can see it now fights breaking out "oi daft c*** watch where ya jumping" and so on, even if there was a minimum age set this s*** would still happen. Not to mention the mass pick pocketing that would go on, its an organised gang crime now a days the opportunity would be to great to miss.
It would be amazing for those of us who grew up standing on the terraces, it was those days after all that created the fame of stands such as the Gallowgate and the Kop. Noise and passion were bred on those terraces but sadly those days are gone now and we need have to accept it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 11:04:33 AM
I'm not bothered about bringing back standing at all, quite a like a seat at times.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: mattypnufc on Thursday 1 August 2013, 11:07:00 AM
If they bring back a standing section, with those rail seats, I'm 100% for it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 11:07:29 AM
If they bring back a standing section, with those rail seats, I'm 100% for it.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Thursday 1 August 2013, 11:08:30 AM
I think bringing back standing areas is a bad idea, can see it now fights breaking out "oi daft c*** watch where ya jumping" and so on, even if there was a minimum age set this s*** would still happen. Not to mention the mass pick pocketing that would go on, its an organised gang crime now a days the opportunity would be to great to miss.

:lol: haddaway man

It wouldn't come back as it was, it'd be implemented as it is in Germany with rail seating, so people pockets would be safe as the people behind wouldn't be close enough to get some 5 finger discount.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Skirge on Thursday 1 August 2013, 11:29:03 AM
I think bringing back standing areas is a bad idea, can see it now fights breaking out "oi daft c*** watch where ya jumping" and so on, even if there was a minimum age set this s*** would still happen. Not to mention the mass pick pocketing that would go on, its an organised gang crime now a days the opportunity would be to great to miss.

:lol: haddaway man

It wouldn't come back as it was, it'd be implemented as it is in Germany with rail seating, so people pockets would be safe as the people behind wouldn't be close enough to get some 5 finger discount.
If it is like that it would be s***, old ways were amazing but as I said those days are gone but if you can't have a huge mass of fans all bounding around without any limitations then leave it as is.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Barnes23 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 02:28:32 PM
Di Canio will prove to be a good manager.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: henke on Thursday 1 August 2013, 03:47:34 PM
Regarding safe standing, just have a look at Dortmunds league crowd. f***ing hell it's unreal.

How can you not want that at SJP? We should have the whole gallowgate fitted with them rails, double the capacity and charge half price to stand. The noise would be immense.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Thursday 1 August 2013, 03:49:38 PM
Regarding safe standing, just have a look at Dortmunds league crowd. f***ing hell it's unreal.

How can you not want that at SJP? We should have the whole gallowgate fitted with them rails, double the capacity and charge half price to stand. The noise would be immense.

:memelol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: henke on Thursday 1 August 2013, 03:56:23 PM
Regarding safe standing, just have a look at Dortmunds league crowd. f***ing hell it's unreal.

How can you not want that at SJP? We should have the whole gallowgate fitted with them rails, double the capacity and charge half price to stand. The noise would be immense.

:memelol:

I knew before I'd even clicked post how that was gonna go. :lol:

I've just been watching a couple of vids and I'm not sure Dortmund use the new rail type seats, fairly sure they reduce the capacity for the Champions league though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:02:04 PM
Regarding safe standing, just have a look at Dortmunds league crowd. f***ing hell it's unreal.

How can you not want that at SJP? We should have the whole gallowgate fitted with them rails, double the capacity and charge half price to stand. The noise would be immense.

:memelol:

I knew before I'd even clicked post how that was gonna go. :lol:

I've just been watching a couple of vids and I'm not sure Dortmund use the new rail type seats, fairly sure they reduce the capacity for the Champions league though.

I think for Europe they just re-install the basic on top of the stair seats, same for a few clubs.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:19:02 PM
I constantly look at Spurs dealings in transfer market, recent managerial appointment, and their recent up-turn the past few years with so much envy - always thinking there was a period we would and could have been head to head with them and have since taken a massive nose dive.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:21:13 PM
I constantly look at Spurs dealings in transfer market, recent managerial appointment, and their recent up-turn the past few years with so much envy - always thinking there was a period we would and could have been head to head with them and have since taken a massive nose dive.

I doubt that's an unpopular opinion at all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:22:44 PM
Never knew how people felt about it, that's all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jimburst on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:25:37 PM
I constantly look at Spurs dealings in transfer market, recent managerial appointment, and their recent up-turn the past few years with so much envy - always thinking there was a period we would and could have been head to head with them and have since taken a massive nose dive.

It's pretty much why I hate them, really. We were better than them with SBR, and from that point onwards we've been mismanaged in every direction, whilst they've made sensible decisions and invested intelligently. We had a better team and more money, and we blew it. f***ing c***s.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:27:38 PM
I admire Spurs. They're like a fairly successful version of us.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:30:39 PM
I don't see any reason to hate them, I just wish we'd made as much progress.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:32:55 PM
Top level competitive football at the highest level throughout Europe and probably the World is non-existant because of money. There is no longer the opportunity for good coaching and a well run club to succeed at the highest level. Less than 20 years ago we nearly won the Premiership, now we have no chance at all and without massive investment are not capable of finishing in the top four. We have no players that are good enough to play for the top sides, and none of the top sides want any of them. Football is currently from a competitive point of view at club level a complete waste of time.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:34:01 PM
Top level competitive football at the highest level throughout Europe and probably the World is non-existant because of money. There is no longer the opportunity for good coaching and a well run club to succeed at the highest level. Less than 20 years ago we nearly won the Premiership, now we have no chance at all and without massive investment are not capable of finishing in the top four. We have no players that are good enough to play for the top sides, and none of the top sides want any of them. Football is currently from a competitive point of view at club level a complete waste of time.

Yep, it's no longer a sporting competition at all. I've been saying this for ages.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:36:56 PM
It's been like that for decades.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:37:40 PM
It's been like that for decades.

Probably yeah, just slightly more extreme since the oligarchs and sheiks. And aided by the Champions League funneling all the money to the top.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:38:43 PM
 :thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 1 August 2013, 04:49:08 PM
Lawro's funny. But I don't think it's intentional.. sometimes I wonder if he even likes footy.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Thursday 1 August 2013, 05:00:15 PM
I constantly look at Spurs dealings in transfer market, recent managerial appointment, and their recent up-turn the past few years with so much envy - always thinking there was a period we would and could have been head to head with them and have since taken a massive nose dive.

It's pretty much why I hate them, really. We were better than them with SBR, and from that point onwards we've been mismanaged in every direction, whilst they've made sensible decisions and invested intelligently. We had a better team and more money, and we blew it. f***ing c***s.

That's pretty much it. My hate is more jealousy. When we beat them at SJP on the opening day last season I went mental, I thought - OK, here we go - few signings before the deadline and we'll kick on this season, build on the momentum...was so damn off and wrong it's just sad.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 1 August 2013, 05:46:12 PM
Jose Mourinho is quite a nasty man at times.
This.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 1 August 2013, 05:49:32 PM
Paul Scholes was a dirty footballer. Not "Oh Paul Scholes can't tackle yaknow hahaha" but genuinely a c*** of a player
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 1 August 2013, 05:55:07 PM
We have a decent record against Spurs too in recent years.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 1 August 2013, 05:55:48 PM
Ryan Giggs should get the same treatment as John Terry from fans for cheating on his wife with his brothers wife
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: n4e on Thursday 1 August 2013, 07:11:12 PM
Ryan Giggs should get the same treatment as John Terry from fans for cheating on his wife with his brothers wife

I mean I might be wrong but I wouldn't put infidelity anywhere near the top of the lost on reasons why john Terry receives so much vitriol and hatred.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: 54 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:06:19 PM
That Nani sending off last season, was the correct decision.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:08:12 PM
That Nani sending off last season, was the correct decision.

Did Clarke Carlise remind you of that?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: 54 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:08:35 PM
That Nani sending off last season, was the correct decision.

Did Clarke Carlise remind you of that?
Yep :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:10:08 PM
That Nani sending off last season, was the correct decision.

Agree. No difference between it or the Van Bommel one in the World Cup final where Manchester United superfan Howard Webb didn't send him off.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:13:35 PM
Not having that, like. If that's a sending off it implies you simply can't raise your leg too high in case there's someone behind you.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:18:08 PM
That Nani sending off last season, was the correct decision.

Agree. No difference between it or the Van Bommel one in the World Cup final where Manchester United superfan Howard Webb didn't send him off.

De Jong billy
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: thomas on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:20:09 PM
Goal line technology is welcome and awesome.

The CL should be expanded to a 64 team knockout (Home+Away) competition with 1 spot given to each country's champion (53?54?) and then the extra spots going to the second place teams of the nations according to coefficient ranking, i.e. Spain, Germany, England, Italy, Portugal, France, Netherlands, Russia, Ukraine, Belgium and Turkey would all have 2 entrants.  The Europa league would be scrapped.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:21:45 PM
Worst one I've ever heard, no offence

EDIT: The second point.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:23:24 PM
Europa should be scrapped and CL expanded, to some degree.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: thomas on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:24:01 PM
Europa should be scrapped and CL expanded, to some degree.
Aye, I forgot to say, scrap the Europa league.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:24:52 PM
Marveaux might have stamina issues but he does not have issues being fit for games, as seen last season when he was available for all but a handful. Ben Arfa is 100 times more injury prone than him going by the evidence of actual working eyes and a mind that works beyond clichés and Pardew's selections.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: VanBarduck on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:29:18 PM
Cabaye is an average player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:30:11 PM
Cabaye is an average player.

For us, definitely. For France, he plays much better. I think on a better team with a competent manager, he'd be a top PL central midfielder.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:32:00 PM
Cabaye is an average player.

His form has been average, he's clearly a talented player being mis-used.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:32:52 PM
A top PL CM has far more about him than Yohan Cabaye.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:34:10 PM
A top PL CM has far more about him than Yohan Cabaye.

You don't think he could do a good job for one of the top 4 or 5? I do, nee worries.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:35:25 PM
A good job, yeah.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:37:02 PM
It's gonna be interesting to see how some of the s**** Man U play in midfield do without Fergie this season. My bet is they'll suck donkey balls and suddenly Cabaye to Man Utd doesn't look such a stretch.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:38:26 PM
It's gonna be interesting to see how some of the s**** Man U play in midfield do without Fergie this season. My bet is they'll suck donkey balls and suddenly Cabaye to Man Utd doesn't look such a stretch.

Probably a reason they are after fabregas.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: QuakesMag on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:48:12 PM
Hagi is my favorite player of the 90's.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:50:57 PM
Cabaye is an average player.

His form has been average, he's clearly a talented player being mis-used.

And he's not the only one in the squad you can say that about sadly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dave on Thursday 1 August 2013, 09:57:04 PM
I don't think the new shirt is all that bad, Wonga excepted.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:04:37 PM
I don't think the new shirt is all that bad, Wonga excepted.

The worst Puma shirt we've had was 100% the first one we had, in our first season back up.  Probably the simplest one too, but it was f***ing rank.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:05:06 PM
I don't think the new shirt is all that bad, Wonga excepted.

This. Still won't be buying it though :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:06:16 PM
I don't think the new shirt is all that bad, Wonga excepted.

This. Still won't be buying it though :lol:

Same which is a shame.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:18:12 PM
That Nani sending off last season, was the correct decision.

Agree. No difference between it or the Van Bommel one in the World Cup final where Manchester United superfan Howard Webb didn't send him off.

De Jong billy

My mistake.:-*
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 1 August 2013, 10:20:33 PM
Ruud Van Nistelrooy was the best 18 yard box striker of his generation.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:46:15 AM
It's gonna be interesting to see how some of the s**** Man U play in midfield do without Fergie this season. My bet is they'll suck donkey balls and suddenly Cabaye to Man Utd doesn't look such a stretch.

If Moyes can get Gibson and Osman playing top football I'm sure he'll manage with Carrick and Cleverley.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:47:57 AM
It's gonna be interesting to see how some of the s**** Man U play in midfield do without Fergie this season. My bet is they'll suck donkey balls and suddenly Cabaye to Man Utd doesn't look such a stretch.

If Moyes can get Gibson and Osman playing top football I'm sure he'll manage with Carrick and Cleverley.

Not so sure about Cleverley, considering Osman is superior.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TheHoob on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:52:17 AM
Obertan isn't as bad as people make out.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:52:20 AM
It's gonna be interesting to see how some of the s**** Man U play in midfield do without Fergie this season. My bet is they'll suck donkey balls and suddenly Cabaye to Man Utd doesn't look such a stretch.

If Moyes can get Gibson and Osman playing top football I'm sure he'll manage with Carrick and Cleverley.

Not so sure about Cleverley, considering Osman is superior.

Debatable.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:56:51 AM
Not in my mind. Osman is quite simply a better footballer.

Tom Cleverley would not look at all out of place at a side like Fulham, for example. You'd think, oh, he's alright. Absolutely classic example of a player being overrated because he plays for Man Utd, or a team like Man Utd.

If he improves drastically over the coming few years then fair play and I'll happily say he has become a quality player but until then he'll offer little to a team with genuine title aspirations. He's just not very good.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:04:06 AM
Not in my mind. Osman is quite simply a better footballer.

Tom Cleverley would not look at all out of place at a side like Fulham, for example. You'd think, oh, he's alright. Absolutely classic example of a player being overrated because he plays for Man Utd, or a team like Man Utd.

I seen a lot of people (from other clubs) that think like that but honestly everyone at our club rates Cleverley very highly. He's a very quick thinker and always plays a smart pass and he's full of hustle and bustle as well. He came on leaps and bounds last season and we're expecting him to raise his game even further this year. He is only 23 remember which is relatively young for a central midfielder.

Osman had the better season last year but I think they're very similar in regards to ability. Osman has probably reached his peak and could start to decline soon, whereas Cleverley will get better and better for years to come yet.

I would rather have Tom Cleverley on my team to be honest.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:09:11 AM
Moving the goalposts a bit though there mate. Of course from a long-term point of view you'd want Cleverley there. But Osman currently, and has been, the better footballer for a good couple of years now, so my point was very much based on the present, and, IMO, the false perceptions of Cleverley's footballing ability due to what club he plays for.

He may well raise his game this year, you'd certainly expect him to. I just think you're f***ed if Moyes sees him as a regular starter/playing the vast majority of games. Don't see enough in him currently, simple as that. Also think it perfectly illustrates where England are if players like Cleverley are generally seen as "the future".

Oh, I think it's fair also to point out I actually was a fan of his at first. Thought his loan spell at Watford was extremely encouraging and I was expecting big things. Just been disappointing since then I reckon. Time on his side and all that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:26:57 AM
I guess that's just where we'll have to agree to disagree. I already rate him highly and think he's already a very good footballer and progressing at a very good rate considering he only broke into our squad under two years ago.

It's kind of the same situation as Carrick where opposing fans didn't rate him that highly during his first few years with us and consistently said he wasn't good enough to be starting for Manchester United. Now everybody sees him as the best or one of the best midfielders in the league.

I would love us to sign Fabregas for obvious reasons, but I see Carrick and Cleverley as a good central partnership. It's going beyond those two that's the problem. Anderson and Giggs are next and I don't believe they are good enough.

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Since we're in the unpopular thread here's another from me: I think Ole Solskjaer is arguably the best finisher we've had at the club since the Premier League began.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Astroblack on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:31:37 AM
Cleverly misplaces passes all the time. His decision making is poor. He's not quick and seems to lack position. He gives the ball away far too much.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:47:03 AM
Cleverly misplaces passes all the time. His decision making is poor. He's not quick and seems to lack position. He gives the ball away far too much.

All of that is utter nonsense.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:07:49 AM
Cleverley is just not very good.

Carrick. Cleverley. Anderson. Giggs. Jones. Fletcher.

A considerable blindspot left behind by Fergie when he said he wanted to leave them in the best possible position. It was alright when Fergie was there and he drew performances out of each and every player and had a such a well oiled machine that just about anybody could step in and look good. The weakness of this area is going to become far more glaring under moylez.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:35:54 AM
I want there to be a full challenge system in the premier league like there is in NFL and cricket. I'm not bothered about it 'slowing the game down'. I'd rather wait an extra 30 seconds and get the correct decision. The league is skewed in favour of the rich teams far too much as it is without them being awarded countless dubious decisions over the course of the season and people talking about things evening themselves out.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:37:47 AM
Carrick is fantastic and Cleverly is very good. Whether he's good enough for a side like Man Utd I don't know, but he is quality IMO.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:42:09 AM
I think Carrick is a ridiculously underrated footballer.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:42:15 AM
Obertan isn't as bad as people make out.

Yes he is. He's utterly terrible.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:45:23 AM
The England midfield should have been built around Carrick and Scholes.

Cleverly is bang average though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: icemanblue on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:45:27 AM
Technically, he's at professional footballer level. However, he has the heart the size of a cowardly pea. Pathetic levels of desire and application.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:49:16 AM
Carrick is not fantastic. He's good and was wrongly criticised for a number of years.

Pirlo, Xavi, Schweinsteiger and Scholes are fantastic.

Cleverley is just smack average and wouldn't start for any of the other clubs trying to win the CL.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:49:29 AM
Carrick is fantastic. He reads the game so well, and his passing is wonderful. Such a clever player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:51:26 AM
Carrick is not fantastic. He's good and was wrongly criticised for a number of years.

Pirlo, Xavi, Schweinsteiger and Scholes are fantastic.

Cleverley is just smack average and wouldn't start for any of the other clubs trying to win the CL.


I think Carrick is a great player personally and a rare player for England to produce. But I take your point he's not on the level of Xavi et al but not many are.

Cleverly I wholeheartedly agree on.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:54:07 AM
Carrick is fantastic. He reads the game so well, and his passing is wonderful. Such a clever player.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:02:11 AM
Carrick is fantastic. He reads the game so well, and his passing is wonderful. Such a clever player.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:05:19 AM
Ruud Van Nistelrooy was the best 18 yard box striker of his generation.
The last great one. Interesting he won very little in his career. That type (which Cisse is one but inferior) is a little obsolete in modern footy
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:05:59 AM
Ruud Van Nistelrooy was the best 18 yard box striker of his generation.
The last great one. Interesting he won very little in his career. That type (which Cisse is one but inferior) is a little obsolete in modern footy

Didn't win the CL.  Won a few league titles though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TBG on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:07:07 AM
Women are better than men at football.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:24:21 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:49:52 AM
Women are better than men at football.

There was a lass at Kings Cross on the phone making this argument at the weekend, or more specifically that the game was better to watch because 'they think about it more, and the tackles are still hard but they're more beautiful'.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Astroblack on Friday 2 August 2013, 01:46:10 PM
Cleverly misplaces passes all the time. His decision making is poor. He's not quick and seems to lack position. He gives the ball away far too much.

All of that is utter nonsense.

Re watch your games. Even in pre season the guy mis places passes all the time. It infuriates me because he's gonna be in the World Cup team and he shouldn't be playing like that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:01:16 PM
I think Carrick is a ridiculously underrated footballer.

Yup. He's been very good for a number of years now and I can't work out why it's only been the past 12-18 months the media/public at large have cottoned to this fact. He's had some completely unjustified criticism in the past.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:09:14 PM
I think Carrick is a ridiculously underrated footballer.

Yup. He's been very good for a number of years now and I can't work out why it's only been the past 12-18 months the media/public at large have cottoned to this fact. He's had some completely unjustified criticism in the past.

I absolutely love watching Carrick, any player like that really. Something fantastic about the way he passes the ball.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:47:46 PM
Cleverly misplaces passes all the time. His decision making is poor. He's not quick and seems to lack position. He gives the ball away far too much.

All of that is utter nonsense.

Re watch your games. Even in pre season the guy mis places passes all the time. It infuriates me because he's gonna be in the World Cup team and he shouldn't be playing like that.

I don't need to rewatch anything. Cleverleys pass success rate with us is 91% since his first game, which is higher than Scholes. Constantly misplacing passes doesn't get you a pass success rate of 91%. Pretty sure the only midfielder who played 20 games or more last season who bettered Cleverleys passing success was Dembele. Also, your comment about pre-season is completely off the mark. He's always phenomenal in pre-season. When he came into our first team he was our best player in pre-season against Barcelona (arguably the best player on the pitch) and the next game he came on against City in the 3-2 win at the Community Shield. Cleverley changed that game as well.

You're wrong about Cleverley, simple as. He's a very good footballer, is going to get better and will prove any doubters wrong. I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:55:09 PM
Cleverly misplaces passes all the time. His decision making is poor. He's not quick and seems to lack position. He gives the ball away far too much.

All of that is utter nonsense.

Re watch your games. Even in pre season the guy mis places passes all the time. It infuriates me because he's gonna be in the World Cup team and he shouldn't be playing like that.

I don't need to rewatch anything. Cleverleys pass success rate with us is 91% since his first game, which is higher than Scholes. Constantly misplacing passes doesn't get you a pass success rate of 91%. Pretty sure the only midfielder who played 20 games or more last season who bettered Cleverleys passing success was Dembele. Also, your comment about pre-season is completely off the mark. He's always phenomenal in pre-season. When he came into our first team he was our best player in pre-season against Barcelona (arguably the best player on the pitch) and the next game he came on against City in the 3-2 win at the Community Shield. Cleverley changed that game as well.

You're wrong about Cleverley, simple as. He's a very good footballer, is going to get better and will prove any doubters wrong. I'm sure of it.

White Djemba-Djemba
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:57:57 PM
Tiote has our highest pass completion rate and you see how the folks of NO thnk of his passing ability.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 2 August 2013, 02:58:31 PM
I'd say Djemba-Djemba was looking at a 19% pass success rate.

Seen by Fergie as Roy Keanes successor you know. Was a good call.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:01:14 PM
Carrick is a great player, his problem is he struggles when put under pressure and doesn't have the agility to escape.

I have always considered him the English Fernando Gago because of this.

Great range of passing, can control a game with ease but put him under pressure and you can get quite a bit of joy.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: henke on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:01:30 PM
Obertan is absolue f***ing garbage, the worst player i have ever seen at NUFC. Technically he has several good attributes, however his complete lack of heart - in fact f*** that it's outright cowardice makes him a nothing footballer.

Cleverley not a bad player, just not a very good one. Not Man United standard imo, if they want to keep winning the league. We'll probably pay £4m for him in a few years having learned f*** all from your man mentioned above. And Alan Smith, Nicky butt...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:13:53 PM
Same is true somewhat of Alonso. Except he's truly devastating when he's not being harassed for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:15:08 PM
Davide Santon was the worst first team performer last season.

Coloccini was poor most of the season too. Being slow and weak in the air is such a disadvantage to us. Mentally he's miles ahead of anyone else at the back and most of the league - when he's on form. When he's poor, he's a shambles.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:16:41 PM
Same is true somewhat of Alonso. Except he's truly devastating when he's not being harassed for 90 minutes.

True, probably why he struggles in The Clasico's.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:32:35 PM
Oh and Cisse was terrible last season and it was mostly his own fault.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:35:31 PM
Davide Santon was the worst first team performer last season.

Coloccini was poor most of the season too. Being slow and weak in the air is such a disadvantage to us. Mentally he's miles ahead of anyone else at the back and most of the league - when he's on form. When he's poor, he's a shambles.

He was our best defender over the first few months, easily.

That award goes to Jonas.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:37:44 PM
Davide Santon was the worst first team performer last season.

Pretty much hopeless as a defender IMO. I think if he is to have a future here he should be tried somewhere in midfield.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:40:14 PM
Davide Santon was the worst first team performer last season.

Pretty much hopeless as a defender IMO. I think if he is to have a future here he should be tried somewhere in midfield.

Not really. He generally wins his one on ones. He needs coaching but hopeless is well wide of the mark
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:41:51 PM
Davide Santon was the worst first team performer last season.

Pretty much hopeless as a defender IMO. I think if he is to have a future here he should be tried somewhere in midfield.

Not really. He generally wins his one on ones. He needs coaching but hopeless is well wide of the mark

I'm not saying he is talentless, but he has brainfarts, I don't think you can train brainfarts out of someone, coaches have been trying to do that with Bramble his entire career.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:43:02 PM
Davide Santon was the worst first team performer last season.

Pretty much hopeless as a defender IMO. I think if he is to have a future here he should be tried somewhere in midfield.

Not really. He generally wins his one on ones. He needs coaching but hopeless is well wide of the mark

I'm not saying he is talentless, but he has brainfarts, I don't think you can train brainfarts out of someone, coaches have been trying to do that with Bramble his entire career.

100% disagree with that. He had the back pass against Benfica. That's it. His issue is certainly not that, it's his positioning. Something that can be coached.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:46:45 PM
He was alright in the first month or so. Crap for the rest of it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:47:39 PM
He was alright in the first month or so. Crap for the rest of it.

You could probably exclusively post in this thread.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LRD on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:48:18 PM
Cisse crap.
Colo crap.
Santon crap.

Who isn't crap?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:48:18 PM
Santon's out of position a ton. He JOGS back, when he needs to sprint back.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:49:12 PM
Santon's out of position a ton. He JOGS back, when he needs to sprint back.

:thup: to be fair this did actually happen a fair few times.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:49:50 PM
Cisse crap.
Colo crap.
Santon crap.

Who isn't crap?

Krul. None of the above are crap either.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: alexf on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:52:10 PM
thats cus he does all of jonas' attacking for him.

how u can say "he was the worst first team performer last season" knowing how useless some of the others were is ridiculous.

Perfect thread for that opinion.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LRD on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:52:11 PM
Cisse crap.
Colo crap.
Santon crap.

Who isn't crap?

Krul. None of the above are crap either.

He was alright in the first month or so. Crap for the rest of it.

Don't think I need to dig up those Cisse posts with his lack of aerial defending ability.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:53:09 PM
Cisse crap.
Colo crap.
Santon crap.

Who isn't crap?

Krul. None of the above are crap either.

He was alright in the first month or so. Crap for the rest of it.

His perfomances. At 21 or 22, I wouldn't say he was a crap footballer. Obviously, he looked better the season before.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:54:30 PM
Cisse crap.
Colo crap.
Santon crap.

Who isn't crap?

Krul. None of the above are crap either.

He was alright in the first month or so. Crap for the rest of it.

Don't think I need to dig up those Cisse posts with his lack of aerial defending ability.

Watch Man Utd. defend a corner. RVP heads out at least 40% of corners, at the near post. Drogba did the same. Carroll was excellent at it. Cisse? Hopeless. It's going into the heart of our defence.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:55:07 PM
thats cus he does all of jonas' attacking for him.

how u can say "he was the worst first team performer last season" knowing how useless some of the others were is ridiculous.

Perfect thread for that opinion.
Jonas does all his defending then.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LRD on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:55:55 PM
Aye, we sign strikers to defend corners. Then we complain every one of our players is in our own half.

That 40% from RvP, where did you get that from anyway?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:56:14 PM
Cisse/Bent = would make little different if we did a swap. Both have the same weaknesses
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:57:18 PM
Cisse/Bent = would make little different if we did a swap. Both have the same weaknesses

You're on a roll today.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:58:43 PM
Cisse/Bent = would make little different if we did a swap. Both have the same weaknesses

You're on a roll today.

He's like a dog off the lead.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:59:08 PM
He's far from a hopeless defender.

His issue is his positional sense which as of right now is very poor i agree.

And to say he was our worse player is laughable, he was arguably our best in the first half and there was worse in the 2nd half despite his performances taking a nose dive.

Also no defenders are going to look good consistently with how we played last year, we were asking for trouble.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Friday 2 August 2013, 03:59:40 PM
Been waiting for Dropout to get into this thread :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:08:35 PM
He's far from a hopeless defender.

His issue is his positional sense which as of right now is very poor i agree.

And to say he was our worse player is laughable, he was arguably our best in the first half and there was worse in the 2nd half despite his performances taking a nose dive.

Also no defenders are going to look good consistently with how we played last year, we were asking for trouble.

Hopeless? No. But he was poor last season. Worse than Simpson.

Agree with point two.

Nah he was as bad as anyone at the start and probably the worst for a large period.

Your last point is true.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:09:15 PM
Aye, we sign strikers to defend corners. Then we complain every one of our players is in our own half.

That 40% from RvP, where did you get that from anyway?
Watch them play. Nobody remembers Didier at the front post?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LRD on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:11:23 PM
Aye, we sign strikers to defend corners. Then we complain every one of our players is in our own half.

That 40% from RvP, where did you get that from anyway?
Watch them play. Nobody remembers Didier at the front post?

Are all strikers built like Drogba though? It's a bonus if they do but it's clearly weird you expect it to come from every striker. Messi must be crap since he can't defend a corner too.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:18:21 PM
Aye, we sign strikers to defend corners. Then we complain every one of our players is in our own half.

That 40% from RvP, where did you get that from anyway?
Watch them play. Nobody remembers Didier at the front post?

Shearer did it as well, I'm not sure it should be used as a stick to beat Cisse with though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ATB on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:25:20 PM
I think Gomis is crap.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: icemanblue on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:27:00 PM
Well go and tell Joe, will you?! It might not be too late!

Fancy leaving that til now, though. Jeez Louise.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:31:52 PM
I just used it as an example of how limited Cisse is. Apart from goals, what does he offer a team?

And now we are bringing in a big lad, who can hold it up a bit (by the looks of it). And a pacy striker that can stretch the opposition.

None of this would matter if Cisse scored 25 goals though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:36:49 PM
I just used it as an example of how limited Cisse is. Apart from goals, what does he offer a team?

And now we are bringing in a big lad, who can hold it up a bit (by the looks of it). And a pacy striker that can stretch the opposition.

None of this would matter if Cisse scored 25 goals though.

A moral compass.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:40:42 PM
I think Ben Arfa lacks technical ability.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Friday 2 August 2013, 04:41:09 PM
I think Ben Arfa lacks technical ability.

:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:17:07 PM
 :facepalm: :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:17:47 PM
Cleverly is mega average really. Never should be an International footballer in a million years. Shows how s*** this England era is. And Carrick whilst a good player, lacks pace.  As was shown in the last World Cup.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:19:34 PM
Aye, Carrick lacks pace,  but that's a bit like saying Krul is a bad finisher. It's just not his game.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:32:24 PM
Aye, Carrick lacks pace,  but that's a bit like saying Krul is a bad finisher. It's just not his game.

No, no it isnt that at all. When he was part of a midfield that was being ran past time and again by  the Germany midfield, it really should be part of his game. And if he had the pace to help stop that kind of onslaught, then he could be considered an International class player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ATB on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:46:53 PM
I said it before. Gomis is a better version of Shola. He will do good stuff, but he will make the easiest misses, so I guess him and Cissé are the perfect couple...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:50:19 PM
Aye, Carrick lacks pace,  but that's a bit like saying Krul is a bad finisher. It's just not his game.

No, no it isnt that at all. When he was part of a midfield that was being ran past time and again by  the Germany midfield, it really should be part of his game. And if he had the pace to help stop that kind of onslaught, then he could be considered an International class player.

Eh? When was Carrick a part of the midfield against Germany?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:51:18 PM
Cleverly is mega average really. Never should be an International footballer in a million years. Shows how s*** this England era is. And Carrick whilst a good player, lacks pace.  As was shown in the last World Cup.
Alonso, Busquets, Pirlo, Xavi.. c'mon what nonsense is that?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:51:57 PM
Aye, Carrick lacks pace,  but that's a bit like saying Krul is a bad finisher. It's just not his game.

No, no it isnt that at all. When he was part of a midfield that was being ran past time and again by  the Germany midfield, it really should be part of his game. And if he had the pace to help stop that kind of onslaught, then he could be considered an International class player.

What? You're thinking of Gareth Barry. Who is not as good as Carrick but is also slow
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: alexf on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:54:00 PM
Aye, Carrick lacks pace,  but that's a bit like saying Krul is a bad finisher. It's just not his game.

No, no it isnt that at all. When he was part of a midfield that was being ran past time and again by  the Germany midfield, it really should be part of his game. And if he had the pace to help stop that kind of onslaught, then he could be considered an International class player.

What? You're thinking of Gareth Barry. Who is not as good as Carrick but is also slow

:lol: quite an insult to Carrick being mistaken for Barry
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 05:57:58 PM
Aye, Carrick lacks pace,  but that's a bit like saying Krul is a bad finisher. It's just not his game.

No, no it isnt that at all. When he was part of a midfield that was being ran past time and again by  the Germany midfield, it really should be part of his game. And if he had the pace to help stop that kind of onslaught, then he could be considered an International class player.

Eh? When was Carrick a part of the midfield against Germany?

Seems I'm mixing up my Carrick's and Barry's...call it a senior moment.  :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:00:06 PM
:thup:

Barry's awful and was totally exposed during that game, like. Carrick's absolute quality. Far more capable than Barry.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:01:46 PM
:thup:

Barry's awful and was totally exposed during that game, like. Carrick's absolute quality. Far more capable than Barry.

I remember Barry being an excellent central defender, why did he become a midfielder?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:03:09 PM
Now it would appear that we are signing Gomis, the club can get on with transferring Cisse to a Turkish or Russian club.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:20:11 PM
SJP isnt all that!
Messi is obviously the best but he's not the most exciting of players, he's actually quite boring!
Barcelona are not the most exciting of teams either, and indeed are boring too!
Rafa Benitez is one of the best managers in the game!
Man Utd deserve all their success!
The mackems are a big club!
The Premier League, for all its faults, is still head and shoulders the best league around!
KK isn't quitter and is tactically more astute than given credit for!
Bale is easily in the top 5 world's best players!
Steven Gerrard was never world-class!
Alan Shearer was a better all-round CF than Ronaldo!
Colins John could have been the next Colins John!
Dean Ashton was a more skilful player than Torres!
Big Sam would not have relegated us!
Sharks are awesome!
Brevity is for girls!
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:21:21 PM
What do you mean by SJP isn't all that (!) ?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:32:40 PM
What do you mean by SJP isn't all that (!) ?

RE atmosphere etc. Most Toon fans already know this but a lot of non Toon fans/media believe SJP to be the home of noise, passion etc.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Rocker on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:34:50 PM
What do you mean by SJP isn't all that (!) ?

Stinks of p*ss.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:35:18 PM
:lol:

It used to...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:37:08 PM
Its not how it was but on certain days there aren't many better places to be than SJP, like the Chelsea game this year
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cronky on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:38:11 PM
Aye, we sign strikers to defend corners. Then we complain every one of our players is in our own half.

That 40% from RvP, where did you get that from anyway?
Watch them play. Nobody remembers Didier at the front post?

Shearer did it as well, I'm not sure it should be used as a stick to beat Cisse with though.

Cisse is a bit of a cowardy custard when it comes to aerial contests.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: n4e on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:44:34 PM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ryan on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:52:33 PM
SJP isnt all that! - Agree sort of. Not what it used to be even compared to 5 years ago
Messi is obviously the best but he's not the most exciting of players, he's actually quite boring! - disagree, some of the stuff he does is sensational
Barcelona are not the most exciting of teams either, and indeed are boring too! - disagree, see above.
Rafa Benitez is one of the best managers in the game! - Hmm, good manager but not ones of the best in the game
Man Utd deserve all their success! - Agree
The mackems are a big club! - Not sure what defines big club but would put them in the bottom 5 of PL clubs available to attract top quality players from abroad
The Premier League, for all its faults, is still head and shoulders the best league around! - Disagree
KK isn't quitter and is tactically more astute than given credit for! -Agree
Bale is easily in the top 5 world's best players! - Agree
Steven Gerrard was never world-class! - Disagree

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: timeEd32 on Friday 2 August 2013, 06:55:05 PM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.

I actually think it's really odd when people wear them to play a casual game. No problem with them in everyday life.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: hithere on Friday 2 August 2013, 07:03:10 PM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.

I agree whole heartedly
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 07:40:21 PM
Shearer better than Ronaldo :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 2 August 2013, 07:45:23 PM
f*** everything
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 2 August 2013, 07:49:35 PM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.

Agree with this.  Never wear ny footy shirts now, not even around the house now.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 2 August 2013, 07:50:05 PM
Shearer better than Ronaldo :lol:

I love HTT but it's a pretty absurd thing to say. He's been saying it for the best part of a decade on here so there's no point trying to change his mind.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 07:50:23 PM
Neesy fashionista when he's sitting eating cereal watching cricket
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Darth Crooks on Friday 2 August 2013, 07:56:16 PM
Nowt wrong with wearing a football shirt to play football in man :lol: or round the house :lol: they're bloody comfy. Don't tend to wear mine out but ultimately who gives a f***?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 08:01:49 PM
They're good for playing footy in or in the gym, that's all mine get used for.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Weezertron on Friday 2 August 2013, 08:19:39 PM
I wear my Newcastle top all the time. I've moved to Toronto though, so it's more a bat signal for other fans. None yet like.

Depends how you wear it too. Most football fans don't have much style like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Friday 2 August 2013, 08:21:01 PM
I wore my Newcastle shirt to a funeral, over my jacket because I'm a proper fan.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 2 August 2013, 08:21:03 PM
I wear my Newcastle top all the time. I've moved to Toronto though, so it's more a bat signal for other fans. None yet like.

Depends how you wear it too. Most football fans don't have much style like.

Sames, but philllay.

I don't see why people get on their high horse about this specific t-shirt choice. There are many, many s*** clothing choices kicking around the streets, leave footbahl tops alone.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Atticus on Friday 2 August 2013, 08:23:25 PM
Nobody else get stinking pits in football tops? I'm a sweaty c*** mind.

That's the only reason I don't sit about in them really, like to have the current one for wearing to the match/playing footy in.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:27:29 PM
I wear my retro ones for bed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:28:53 PM
I was about to buy the Virgin Money one cheap because I don't want Wonga and don't own a shirt right now, then I decided I didn't need it at all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:42:24 PM
Shearer better than Ronaldo :lol:

Been dome to death like but better ALL ROUND CF thats it, not a better footballer just a better CF thats all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nemtizz on Friday 2 August 2013, 09:42:30 PM
I was about to buy the Virgin Money one cheap because I don't want Wonga and don't own a shirt right now, then I decided I didn't need it at all.

Ditto. Currently looking for a LS version of the burgundy one from last season but can't find it anywhere.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:13:42 PM
Shearer better than Ronaldo :lol:

Been dome to death like but better ALL ROUND CF thats it, not a better footballer just a better CF thats all.

Better at heading the ball. That's it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:15:14 PM
That really is it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:16:52 PM
Shearer better than Ronaldo :lol:

Been dome to death like but better ALL ROUND CF thats it, not a better footballer just a better CF thats all.

I actually agree with this.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:23:58 PM
:lol:

Ronaldo is head and shoulders above anyone else as the best striker of this generation.  He had everything and then some.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:24:56 PM
:lol:

Ronaldo is head and shoulders above anyone else as the best striker of this generation.  He had everything and then some.

Correct
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: WhyAyeCabaye on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:30:24 PM
Di Canio will do well at 5under1and  :(
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:34:11 PM
Ronaldo even had the hair island well before Shearer.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:44:55 PM
The cross Shearer put in for Sir Les in the 5-0 was something I don't think you'd see Ronaldo do.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Colossus on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:55:02 PM
The cross Shearer put in for Sir Les in the 5-0 was something I don't think you'd see Ronaldo do.

Likewise for Ronaldo's dribbling and pace.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:55:14 PM
Winning world player of the year 3 times and holding the record for most goals scored in the history of the World Cup probably has a little more relevance than a cross to determine who's better.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:56:15 PM
I've seen Seb Larsson put decent crosses in.  Obviously better than Ronaldo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fenham Mag on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:58:04 PM
Keith Gillespie was a great crosser.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Friday 2 August 2013, 10:58:49 PM
In fact, that Gillespie cross against Barcelona should have won him a Ballon d'Or.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fenham Mag on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:00:56 PM
Cross of the century tbf.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:02:34 PM
The cross Shearer put in for Sir Les in the 5-0 was something I don't think you'd see Ronaldo do.

Likewise for Ronaldo's dribbling and pace.

Shearer had pace before his injuries too. Yes Ronaldo was a better player but Shearer's hold up play was better than Ronaldo's. I see where  HTT is coming from.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:05:08 PM
But if Ronaldo spent his time holding the ball up it would have been a waste considering what he could do running at defences.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Colossus on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:08:12 PM
A single raised arm or a single bouncing, pointed finger?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Barnes23 on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:12:38 PM
I said it before. Gomis is a better version of Shola. He will do good stuff, but he will make the easiest misses, so I guess him and Cissé are the perfect couple...

I think he's going to divide opinion. Adebayor would be a better comparison from what I've seen.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:13:37 PM
But if Ronaldo spent his time holding the ball up it would have been a waste considering what he could do running at defences.

I agree with that too .
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:46:03 PM
Why did you do all the exclamation marks, HTT? Made the post absolutely f***ing s***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:46:34 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:47:10 PM
Its true like. In my head I was shouting every sentence. Nobody got time for that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:47:31 PM
Martin Tyler is s*** and biased to Man Utd and especially Liverpool and Gerrard.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:48:05 PM
Sorry, I just hate exclamation marks.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:49:02 PM
Martin Tyler is s*** and biased to Man Utd and especially Liverpool and Gerrard.

The second bit is true but he's not s***. Still nails key moments all the time :thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:49:29 PM
He even managed to make me almost not be completely sick when Ji scored.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:49:58 PM
Martin Tyler is s*** and biased to Man Utd and especially Liverpool and Gerrard.

The second bit is true but he's not s***. Still nails key moments all the time :thup:

Unpopular opinions see, i cant stand him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Sifu on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:50:16 PM
Martin Tyler is s*** and biased to Man Utd and especially Liverpool and Gerrard.

Still one of the best commentators though but I'll concede that he's become annoying recently.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ishmael on Friday 2 August 2013, 11:55:09 PM
I miss Keys and Grey.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:05:40 AM
The cross Shearer put in for Sir Les in the 5-0 was something I don't think you'd see Ronaldo do.

Likewise for Ronaldo's dribbling and pace.

Shearer had pace before his injuries too. Yes Ronaldo was a better player but Shearer's hold up play was better than Ronaldo's. I see where  HTT is coming from.

Moke pace compared to Ronaldo, prime for prime. There's very, very little Shearer did better than Ronaldo and the things he did do better can simply be attributed to Ronaldo having no cause to use such qualities.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:13:53 AM
The cross Shearer put in for Sir Les in the 5-0 was something I don't think you'd see Ronaldo do.

Likewise for Ronaldo's dribbling and pace.

Shearer had pace before his injuries too. Yes Ronaldo was a better player but Shearer's hold up play was better than Ronaldo's. I see where  HTT is coming from.

Moke pace compared to Ronaldo, prime for prime. There's very, very little Shearer did better than Ronaldo and the things he did do better can simply be attributed to Ronaldo having no cause to use such qualities.

Can we have this debate in person when you get to Orlando man...over many, many beers?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:17:12 AM
We can and we will bud.

We're booked up now. Be there 3 weeks on Sunday. :smitten:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:27:00 AM
Martin Tyler is s*** and biased to Man Utd and especially Liverpool and Gerrard.

Pre Sky, he was the commentator for ITV in the North West and therefore commentated on many games involving said clubs. 
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: newsted on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:36:39 AM
Martin Tyler is s*** and biased to Man Utd and especially Liverpool and Gerrard.

Pre Sky, he was the commentator for ITV in the North West and therefore commentated on many games involving said clubs. 

Woking fan, it says here. I know he wrote a book about the history of Arsenal, though, so I guess he likes them a bit. :undecided: Didn't realise he's 67 now. Or that he comes from Chester. Apparently I haven't delved into his history much until tonight.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:36:53 AM
From a pure tactical standpoint, Mourinho is overrated.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:43:42 AM
From a pure tactical standpoint, Mourinho is overrated.

I sort of agree, albeit I can see why he has the reputation, just comes from making bold changes that of course one remembers the times they come off more than the times they don't. If you make an early double sub and it changes the game you'll get that reputation. Mourinho's main strength is getting his teams to feel invincible when they're on the pitch.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:44:09 AM
Martin Tyler is s*** and biased to Man Utd and especially Liverpool and Gerrard.

Pre Sky, he was the commentator for ITV in the North West and therefore commentated on many games involving said clubs. 

Woking fan, it says here. I know he wrote a book about the history of Arsenal, though, so I guess he likes them a bit. :undecided: Didn't realise he's 67 now. Or that he comes from Chester. Apparently I haven't delved into his history much until tonight.

Can remember him commentating on England games for ITV in the 80s too. Generally away games when Brian Moore wouldn't travel iirc.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Theregulars on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:51:04 AM
Cleverly is mega average really. Never should be an International footballer in a million years. Shows how s*** this England era is. And Carrick whilst a good player, lacks pace.  As was shown in the last World Cup.

100% true.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: alexf on Saturday 3 August 2013, 02:02:39 AM
Martin Tyler is good it's just too obvious what he is doing. He'll be really calm and quiet and then someone has a shot and he's like BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL EEEEEEEEEEEE!! ......just wide. He tries to add a big emotive soundbite to goals so they sound good when watched back but when someone misses he just seems a bit like a crazy old man :)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Saturday 3 August 2013, 02:10:11 AM
I can't wait until Cleverley becomes one of the top midfielders in the league this season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 3 August 2013, 02:42:18 AM
I can't wait until Cleverley becomes one of the top midfielders in the league this season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Titnm-e1N0
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 3 August 2013, 03:16:57 AM
I think Cleverley is a good player who is going to get better

I don't think the Sir Bobby Robson statue is very good, doesn't look like him

I liked Scott Parker, thought he was a good player for us and it was a mistake selling him
Glenn Roeder was a decent manager for us overall
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 3 August 2013, 03:53:55 AM
I think Cleverley is a good player who is going to get better

I don't think the Sir Bobby Robson statue is very good, doesn't look like him

I liked Scott Parker, thought he was a good player for us and it was a mistake selling him
Glenn Roeder was a decent manager for us overall
:yao:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 3 August 2013, 03:59:03 AM
Darren Ambrose was mint. If it wasn't for injuries he would've had a decent top flight career.

Well, maybe it wasn't the fault of just injuries, as I don't know how mentally strong he really is. Either way, he should have done better.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 3 August 2013, 03:59:43 AM
I think Cleverley is a good player who is going to get better

I don't think the Sir Bobby Robson statue is very good, doesn't look like him

I liked Scott Parker, thought he was a good player for us and it was a mistake selling him
Glenn Roeder was a decent manager for us overall
:yao:

Just to add some depth to that point, the scale goes like this, with some examples

Proper s**** - Dalglish, Allardyce, Souness
s**** - Gullit
Decent - Roeder
Good - Hughton
Very Good -
Great - Keegan, SBR
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 3 August 2013, 04:00:45 AM
But where do you place Pardew? Your credibility hinges on this.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Saturday 3 August 2013, 04:01:54 AM
Dalglish down one, gullit up one, roeder up one, hughton up one... Keegan up one.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Saturday 3 August 2013, 04:09:41 AM
But where do you place Pardew? Your credibility hinges on this.

Damn, the pressure

Hovering between s**** and decent
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 3 August 2013, 04:21:34 AM
I miss Keys and Grey.

Same here.


Also on commentary, I still get goosebumps when I see Aguero's title-winner against QPR. Just an amazing moment, the perfect way to win the league.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:09:09 AM
While i dont agree with the rulings, i think there pathetic and killjoy-ish.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with players that remove their shirt or run into the crowd, it's not as if the players arent aware of them before the game starts.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:11:14 AM
While i dont agree with the rulings, i think there pathetic and killjoy-ish.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with players that remove their shirt or run into the crowd, it's not as if the players arent aware of them before the game starts.

Agree with all of that, ridiculous rule but they know for a fact they are getting a yellow if they do it. Would be really p*ssed off if one of ours missed an important game through suspension because of it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:14:28 AM
I can't wait until Cleverley becomes one of the top midfielders in the league this season.

:spit:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:14:38 AM
While i dont agree with the rulings, i think there pathetic and killjoy-ish.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with players that remove their shirt or run into the crowd, it's not as if the players arent aware of them before the game starts.

Agree with all of that, ridiculous rule but they know for a fact they are getting a yellow if they do it. Would be really p*ssed off if one of ours missed an important game through suspension because of it.

And i would blame the player who got himself booked for it. It really is one of those rules that are dreamed up by people who never played, never scored a goal, who have no idea what it feels like. No lie this but i'm supposed to book kids who do it in Junior soccer, just ridiculous. But rules are rules and professionals know them better than most.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:17:14 AM
While i dont agree with the rulings, i think there pathetic and killjoy-ish.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with players that remove their shirt or run into the crowd, it's not as if the players arent aware of them before the game starts.

Agree with all of that, ridiculous rule but they know for a fact they are getting a yellow if they do it. Would be really p*ssed off if one of ours missed an important game through suspension because of it.

And i would blame the player who got himself booked for it. It really is one of those rules that are dreamed up by people who never played, never scored a goal, who have no idea what it feels like. No lie this but i'm supposed to book kids who do it in Junior soccer, just ridiculous. But rules are rules and professionals know them better than most.

Deemed incitement or something isn't it? Supposed they had to take action after all those riots it has caused in the past  ???
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:18:20 AM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.

I'm in the office right now wearing a football top because it's thin and nice to wear when it's warm.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:20:40 AM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.

I'm in the office right now wearing a football top because it's thin and nice to wear when it's warm.

I wear my Newcastle shirt on some dress down days. It's a sports top like any other, it doesn't make me a 12 year old just because it has my teams badge on it.











Wearing the shorts, socks, shin pads and astroturf boots is probably taking it a bit far mind.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Andybiotics on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:21:02 AM
I miss Keys and Grey.

Same here.


Also on commentary, I still get goosebumps when I see Aguero's title-winner against QPR. Just an amazing moment, the perfect way to win the league.

I miss Keys/Grey also. Especially Grey, as I feel Sky have had awful commentators since.
When Tyler & Grey were on commentary it gave the game a 'big match' feel, and got you right in the mood to watch a class game of football.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:22:35 AM
While i dont agree with the rulings, i think there pathetic and killjoy-ish.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with players that remove their shirt or run into the crowd, it's not as if the players arent aware of them before the game starts.

Agree with all of that, ridiculous rule but they know for a fact they are getting a yellow if they do it. Would be really p*ssed off if one of ours missed an important game through suspension because of it.

And i would blame the player who got himself booked for it. It really is one of those rules that are dreamed up by people who never played, never scored a goal, who have no idea what it feels like. No lie this but i'm supposed to book kids who do it in Junior soccer, just ridiculous. But rules are rules and professionals know them better than most.

Deemed incitement or something isn't it? Supposed they had to take action after all those riots it has caused in the past  ???

The going in the crowd one i get, people rushing forward and the crushing that could take place. Even that's unlikely because of seating now anyway. But i can get my head around that one.

Removing your shirt is regarded as unsporting conduct, which is just ridiculous.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:23:36 AM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.

I'm in the office right now wearing a football top because it's thin and nice to wear when it's warm.

I wear my Newcastle shirt on some dress down days. It's a sports top like any other, it doesn't make me a 12 year old just because it has my teams badge on it.











Wearing the shorts, socks, shin pads and astroturf boots is probably taking it a bit far mind.

Full kit w***** ? :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cronky on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:23:52 AM
While i dont agree with the rulings, i think there pathetic and killjoy-ish.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with players that remove their shirt or run into the crowd, it's not as if the players arent aware of them before the game starts.

Agree with all of that, ridiculous rule but they know for a fact they are getting a yellow if they do it. Would be really p*ssed off if one of ours missed an important game through suspension because of it.

Goal celebrations are a matter of convention, as much as anything. Speaking as an old fogey, before a certain point in time, nobody removed their shirt. Now it seems to be a compulsion that they struggle to resist.

FFS keep your shirts on. Stripping off makes you look a bit daft, and dafter still when everyone knows you'll get booked for it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:26:34 AM
While i dont agree with the rulings, i think there pathetic and killjoy-ish.

I have no sympathy whatsoever with players that remove their shirt or run into the crowd, it's not as if the players arent aware of them before the game starts.

Agree with all of that, ridiculous rule but they know for a fact they are getting a yellow if they do it. Would be really p*ssed off if one of ours missed an important game through suspension because of it.

Goal celebrations are a matter of convention, as much as anything. Speaking as an old fogey, before a certain point in time, nobody removed their shirt. Now it seems to be a compulsion that they struggle to resist.

FFS keep your shirts on. Stripping off makes you look a bit daft, and dafter still when everyone knows you'll get booked for it.

Yep, i've no sympathy but i think it's a bit of a daft thing to get booked for. See this is where you need a another card, not as harsh as a yellow. Maybe a warning from the ref, i just think a yellow is excessive. But like i say i've zero sympathy if it happens during a game.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jimburst on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:27:26 AM
I thought taking your shirt off was basically made an offence due to pressure from advertisers losing valuable exposure when their shirts were on the floor etc.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jill on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:28:25 AM
If you're over the age of 16, playing football/sport is the only acceptable scenario to be wearing replica shirts in public. You look like even more of a t*** if you wear one on top of a jumper/jacket just so people can see it.

I'm in the office right now wearing a football top because it's thin and nice to wear when it's warm.

I'm wearing the orange one from 11/12 because I thought I might wake up and immediately go for a run. I didn't. :yao:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:30:09 AM
I thought taking your shirt off was basically made an offence due to pressure from advertisers losing valuable exposure when their shirts were on the floor etc.

No it was something to do some muslim countries who found revealing a bare chest offensive from what i remember, Obviously with games being shown worldwide.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:31:07 AM
Thought it stemmed back to Forlan doing it and not being able to put it back on when kits with inner layers were the rage.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:33:08 AM
Thought it stemmed back to Forlan doing it and not being able to put it back on when kits with inner layers were the rage.

It's probably a bit of everything, what you and Jim just said as well no doubt, still stinks of a killjoy non footballers in an office thinking it's a good idea.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:36:31 AM
I thought it started when Andy Reid took his shirt off, his corset snapped and he killed 7 fans when his gut spilled out into the crowd.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: colinmk on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:48:34 AM
I don't think we should sign Remy because he is a c*** that turned us down and might be getting charged with rape.  :dave:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:49:28 AM
I don't think we should sign Remy because he is a c*** that turned us down and might be getting charged with rape.  :dave:

Valid reasons.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:59:22 AM
Man up (sorry Liverpool), the other lad (QPR) had a bigger dick, she (Remy) was always going to be impressed with that. She (Remy) has realised he (QPR) promised more than he could give. She (Remy) now realises you (Newcastle) were the one she (Remy) should have chosen, your (Newcastle) hands are so blistered even wanking is too much pain.

Basically get over it, he is a quality player who would drastically improve our side and we won't be targeting anyone else of that ability because we won't pay the going rate. IF he is convicted of rape it is likely that won't be until the end of the season anyway, then we can do the 'honourable' thing and choose not to sign him permanently.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: colinmk on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:07:57 PM
 :lol: Nicely put man.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:09:41 PM
:pow:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:12:32 PM
Not really unpopular as such but Jonas and Krul are easily our two most likable persoanlities at the club.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: colinmk on Saturday 3 August 2013, 12:13:34 PM
I won't get over it though and it's not just Remy, as  representative football club I'd like us to put morals above footballing reasons. I know people don't agree with this though, that's why I put it in this thread.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ATB on Saturday 3 August 2013, 01:49:07 PM
I won't get over it though and it's not just Remy, as  representative football club I'd like us to put morals above footballing reasons. I know people don't agree with this though, that's why I put it in this thread.

I agree with you.

plus, the Championship isn´t s***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 01:54:23 PM
I won't get over it though and it's not just Remy, as  representative football club I'd like us to put morals above footballing reasons. I know people don't agree with this though, that's why I put it in this thread.

I agree but in this day and age of massive money, clubs forsake that without batting an eyelid unfortunately.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dokko on Saturday 3 August 2013, 02:10:35 PM
Championship is littered with good clubs, It's a tough league. You've just to look a level below to see the likes of wolves, country, Sheff utd, bristol city in there to confirm it.

Glad sky are all over the other 3 divisions, it's exactly what it needs, the strength of these are important to propping up the top league, there's not a stronger second league in the world IMO, it's stronger than some top divisions as well, I'm looking at you Scotland.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Saturday 3 August 2013, 02:24:14 PM
The lower leagues in England are without doubt the best in the world in terms of clubs size, attendances etc.

The standard of the Championship is massively overplayed though. Quality wise it is a million miles away from the top flight.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 3 August 2013, 02:26:34 PM
I'd say it's still on par with most leagues in Europe outside of the top 5 leagues, minus the elite clubs. (Benfica, Ajax, Etc)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: alexf on Saturday 3 August 2013, 02:27:55 PM
The lower leagues in England are without doubt the best in the world in terms of clubs size, attendances etc.

The standard of the Championship is massively overplayed though. Quality wise it is a million miles away from the top flight.

The money that is pumped into the premier league though that is always going to be the case.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 3 August 2013, 03:02:31 PM
The lower leagues in England are without doubt the best in the world in terms of clubs size, attendances etc.

The standard of the Championship is massively overplayed though. Quality wise it is a million miles away from the top flight.

The money that is pumped into the premier league though that is always going to be the case.

Yeah it's not really a fair comparison. Relative to other European leagues, the Championship is quite good.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ATB on Saturday 3 August 2013, 03:11:51 PM
Yeah, but the premier league is not some random league :lol: Compared to other leagues, the CC is top class. pretty sure the CC is better than the Swedish league. everything depends on what you compare with.  Of course the CC is worse than the pl. but what to expect?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 3 August 2013, 03:15:55 PM
It's the English second-tier league, it shouldn't be close to the same level as the PL. But it's still on par with many first-tier European leagues and easily better than most European second-tier leagues.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:09:40 PM
I was looking at page 11 or 12 of this thread and people were talking about whether Nani deserved to be sent off against Real Madrid last season. Anyway I was thinking about this and I thought about whether bicycle kicks could be considered as a high foot. Take this Rooney goal for example. If Kompany didn't slip and put his head in where Rooney kicked, could Rooney have been sent off.

asdasd
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Oakie Doke on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:10:24 PM
we're not allowed to watch that. Dave will be cross.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:13:20 PM
I was looking at page 11 or 12 of this thread and people were talking about whether Nani deserved to be sent off against Real Madrid last season. Anyway I was thinking about this and I thought about whether bicycle kicks could be considered as a high foot. Take this Rooney goal for example. If Kompany didn't slip and put his head in where Rooney kicked, could Rooney have been sent off.

adasd

I would say no as Rooney isn't going in studs up and endangering an opponent, which is the key with those challenges. If Kompany had his head there the goal wouldn't have counted. A high foot only comes into play when there's a head near the high foot, if you follow me.

And as with most things, it'll still be in the opinion of the ref if it's dangerous play or a genuine attempt.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:13:55 PM
That is the best shinned goal ever. Jammy t***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:16:50 PM
I think Colo attempted a bicycle kick for a clearance last season and kicked Demba Ba flush in the face (breaking his nose iirc). Personally i think it could be seen as being dangerous play, but it is all down to how the referee interprets the situation.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LFEE on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:38:23 PM
I think Colo attempted a bicycle kick for a clearance last season and kicked Demba Ba flush in the face (breaking his nose iirc). Personally i think it could be seen as being dangerous play, but it is all down to how the referee interprets the situation.

Wasn't a bicycle kick and Demba stooped... But it was a decision that could've went either way...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:40:29 PM
I can't wait until Cleverley becomes one of the top midfielders in the league this season.

(http://i.imgur.com/B37Ih9K.png)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:45:22 PM
:lol: Love a bimpy meme post.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TheHoob on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:47:38 PM
Colo didn't have much luck with his Bicycle kicks last season, did his back in with that one at the corner flag too. Was a glorious moment though  :memeyeah:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 3 August 2013, 05:52:46 PM
Colo didn't have much luck with his Bicycle kicks last season, did his back in with that one at the corner flag too. Was a glorious moment though  :memeyeah:

Yeah, he should ask Nicky Butt for some tutelage. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Saturday 3 August 2013, 06:02:23 PM
Colo didn't have much luck with his Bicycle kicks last season, did his back in with that one at the corner flag too. Was a glorious moment though  :memeyeah:
how ? he gave the ball directly to an opponent about 25yds out.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Saturday 3 August 2013, 09:29:05 PM
Going towards a TV collective agreement would solve very few problems of Spanish football.

It would cut down both Real Madrid and Barcelona to size (they'd still far above the other clubs in revenue, though), but the actual difference in other clubs' bottom lines would be pretty small.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Saturday 3 August 2013, 09:33:29 PM
Going towards a TV collective agreement would solve very few problems of Spanish football.

It would cut down both Real Madrid and Barcelona to size (they'd still far above the other clubs in revenue, though), but the actual difference in other clubs' bottom lines would be pretty small.
how come ?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 3 August 2013, 09:35:27 PM
Barca fan: Aye it would only solve a few problems. You lot would still be in the s*** and we would still be great. Let's keep the status quo yeah lads? Good boys.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Saturday 3 August 2013, 09:40:20 PM
Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue.

Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average.

Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board. Spanish clubs outside Barça and Madrid are extremely insular and barely have any following outside their natural catchment areas. They are still trapped in the 1980s in many areas.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 3 August 2013, 09:43:12 PM
Completely agree with VI, as i said before in a separate thread Spain's issues are too deep rooted to simply be solved by collective tv rights.


Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Saturday 3 August 2013, 09:44:25 PM
Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue.

Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average.

Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board.
any tables on how much tv money gets paid to each club ? and how much they'd get if it were evenly distributed ?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 3 August 2013, 09:46:51 PM
Aye it's not a solution, I say just give barcalona and real madrid their own minileague where they can play each other again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again

and then the rest of the league will improve now there's actual competition to win it

:troll:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Saturday 3 August 2013, 10:08:03 PM
Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue.

Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average.

Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board.
any tables on how much tv money gets paid to each club ? and how much they'd get if it were evenly distributed ?

Awful quality, but the best I've found:

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9403/j1i.jpg)

It averages to €30m with equal distribution.

As I said, Barça and Madrid would be brought down two or three notches, but those extra €18m per year would make very little difference to Racing's €150m+ debt for example. And Atlético and Valencia would be even worse off.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 3 August 2013, 10:09:20 PM
Spanish league needs the reset button
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Saturday 3 August 2013, 10:11:08 PM
I was massively disappointed Wigan went down. They were one of the best teams in the PL too watch. I also like Dave Whelan, even though he is a moron his heart couldn't be more in the right place.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Saturday 3 August 2013, 10:16:48 PM
Ignore the club I am a fan of in this issue.

Thing is that if we equalized the TV receipts, it would only be an average windfall of around €10m for each club, even less if Liga Adelante clubs get part of that money too (they are part of La Liga and would need to approve any deal). Atlético and Valencia would lose money, actually, as their own contracts are over the average.

Overarching issue is awful revenue generation across the board.
any tables on how much tv money gets paid to each club ? and how much they'd get if it were evenly distributed ?

Awful quality, but the best I've found:

(http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/9403/j1i.jpg)

It averages to €30m with equal distribution.

As I said, Barça and Madrid would be brought down two or three notches, but those extra €18m per year would make very little difference to Racing's €150m+ debt for example. And Atlético and Valencia would be even worse off.

could go either of two ways, the league gets more competitive and real, barce can't just hoover up the talent which could increase revenues for the others, or because barce, real aren't the two biggest clubs in the world anymore so no one gives a toss about the league anymore and the arse drops out of it.

as a fan who possibly wouldn't support one of those two if I was in spain i'd be willing to take the risk.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Saturday 3 August 2013, 10:21:57 PM
Thing is that even with their comparatively s*** TV revenues, TV income is actually a *bigger* part of those clubs' budgets than it is for Barça and Madrid.

For example Espanyol's current TV contract is 23 million, their non-TV revenue rises up to 27m. Barça's TV contract is 140 million and non-TV revenue in excess of 300 million (just going off google).

I'm fine with us going towards a more equitable distribution, but it is often used as a smokescreen to hide that most of La Liga clubs are awfully run.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Saturday 3 August 2013, 10:31:45 PM
Thing is that even with their comparatively s*** TV revenues, TV income is actually a *bigger* part of those clubs' budgets than it is for Barça and Madrid.

For example Espanyol's current TV contract is 23 million, their non-TV revenue rises up to 27m. Barça's TV contract is 140 million and non-TV revenue in excess of 300 million (just going off google).

I'm fine with us going towards a more equitable distribution, but it is often used as a smokescreen to hide that most of La Liga clubs are awfully run.


isn't some of that down to the idea that it's easier to make money if you have money to start with ?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jack Flash on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:36:59 PM
I couldn't give a s*** about almost all of our current players. They're just complete strangers compared to not even that long ago.

The endless analysis of formations etc is incredibly boring and achieves nothing. Football is chaos, embrace it.

I much preferred Shepherd's " :yao: " approach to Ashley's "erm no" approach. I couldn't care less about our finances the same as most other clubs don't.

I want Sunderland to be in whatever league we're in. There's already too many emotionless matches without losing another 2.

England needs Kevin Nolan and a few more players of his ilk. Their squad is like our atm, all talk and no end product.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:47:48 PM
I couldn't give a s*** about almost all of our current players. They're just complete strangers compared to not even that long ago.


:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 3 August 2013, 11:53:51 PM
I enjoy watching the Championship a lot more than the Premier League, sure the quality may be lower but hell at least most sides honestly have something to play for and its a more competitive competition unlike the Prem where beyond Man Utd, City and Chelsea what the hell are the rest of the sides doing other than making up the numbers.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Sunday 4 August 2013, 12:47:06 AM
I'd like Boro to get back in the PL.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Revolution on Sunday 4 August 2013, 12:49:32 AM
I'd like Boro to get back in the PL.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Leazes1986 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 02:21:29 AM
I think Jonas is probably the best winger in the league after Jarvis
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 4 August 2013, 02:33:13 AM
I miss Freddie Shepherd/John Hall. Deep down I wish they never sold us and wish they'd have found a resolution on our debt issues and found a way to restructure and move us forward.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Leazes1986 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 02:47:30 AM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: I wish Ameobi had Shearers head, brain and feet
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kaizero on Sunday 4 August 2013, 02:49:07 AM
I'd not be opposed to a third Keegan reign under new ownership.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:00:22 AM
I want Sunderland to be in whatever league we're in. There's already too many emotionless matches without losing another 2.
You can talk absolute horseshite at times, but this is a brilliant one.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:01:24 AM
I think Jonas is probably the best winger in the league after Jarvis
:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:02:06 AM
I'd like Boro to get back in the PL.

:thup:
:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:10:37 AM
I'd like Boro to get back in the PL.

:thup:
:thup:
:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:47:46 AM
I'd not be opposed to a third Keegan reign under new ownership.

:thup:
Title: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 4 August 2013, 05:33:18 AM
I'd not be opposed to a third Keegan reign under new ownership.

:thup:

Ill raise this and say a new owner with Keegan part of the boardroom in a Executive Chairman/DOF role where he has full control of shaping the direction and vision of our club.  He's too important to us if he came back again if I'm honest. He'd be the only one I trust and I'd rather he be part of that and not be susceptible to being lied to or hung out to dry like all those times before.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Sunday 4 August 2013, 06:07:03 AM
I miss Freddie Shepherd/John Hall. Deep down I wish they never sold us and wish they'd have found a resolution on our debt issues and found a way to restructure and move us forward.

I think this would've been ideal. I waited and waited in vain for Freddie to 'wake up.' Turns out he was forced to sell the club when he was morphed out on a hospital bed, with Ashley taking his thumbprint in blood ... if you were to hear Freddie tell the story now.

Anyways, in reality, we all know, he'd never have awoken to the fiscal reality he himself put us in, and a buyer was always more likely. But f***... Ashley.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 06:15:29 AM
Freddie was supposed to be writing a book. Wish he'd f***ing hurry up with it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Sunday 4 August 2013, 06:23:11 AM

Freddie was supposed to be writing a book. Wish he'd f***ing hurry up with it.

Freddie + Keegan as Executive and we'd never have a defeatist attitude that our current f***ing owner and manager spew out with.

FFS's book would be class :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 4 August 2013, 08:48:18 AM
I miss Freddie Shepherd/John Hall. Deep down I wish they never sold us and wish they'd have found a resolution on our debt issues and found a way to restructure and move us forward.

It was what the first one did the 2-3 years before he sold which meant that was very unlikely to happen. Look at his last 12 months transfer dealings.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 4 August 2013, 09:37:12 AM
The next owners will probably have some stupid ways too.


Fat Freddy was overly knee-jerk. He'd make massive swings in managerial appointments based on perceived weaknesses and nothing else. But the one thing he had that Ashley doesn't is ambition and genuine pride in what NUFC stood for.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 4 August 2013, 09:49:24 AM
You can say that about every club who's had a takeover in the last ten years though.

Do you think Short is as ambitious or passionate for Sunderland as Murray? Lerner than Ellis? Etc.

Some are better owners than others but the passion and ambition to see their club do well I'd imagine is the exact same, simply to be in the Premier League with the riches it brings.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: STM on Sunday 4 August 2013, 09:56:44 AM
Not really sure I like Jeff Stelling anymore. No better than the rest.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tiresias on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:18:09 AM
Messi has nothing left to achieve at barca and should leave to another league
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Oakie Doke on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:41:21 AM
I don't like Kevin Keegan.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:43:10 AM
Do you love him?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Oakie Doke on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:46:34 AM
 :love:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: kirkwdavis2001 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:53:17 AM
Keegan as DOF would be class!!



...although somewhat ironic
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jack Flash on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:04:38 AM
I want Sunderland to be in whatever league we're in. There's already too many emotionless matches without losing another 2.
You can talk absolute horseshite at times, but this is a brilliant one.

You said this in the right thread at least. If you want to post examples I'm all ears/eyes?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:12:33 AM
Bafetimbi Gomis is a good looking fella. (Not sure if that falls in the unpopular opinion category, but I put it here just to be safe.)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: henke on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:37:55 AM
I'd not be opposed to a third Keegan reign under new ownership.

:thup:

I'd be 100% opposed to ever having Keegan back in any role, other than standing at the front of an exectuive box supporting us. Holding a glass of pimms.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Northerngimp on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:52:35 AM
Would have him back under new ownership...dont think he would tho.  that interview on german tv sounded like the whole ashley thing burnt him badly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 4 August 2013, 12:52:19 PM
Bafetimbi Gomis is a good looking fella. (Not sure if that falls in the unpopular opinion category, but I put it here just to be safe.)

Wouldn't even be in our top 3 best looking players if he joined
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:05:22 PM
Bafetimbi Gomis is a good looking fella. (Not sure if that falls in the unpopular opinion category, but I put it here just to be safe.)

Wouldn't even be in our top 3 best looking players if he joined

Which is no shame.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:08:00 PM
Bafetimbi Gomis is a good looking fella. (Not sure if that falls in the unpopular opinion category, but I put it here just to be safe.)

Wouldn't even be in our top 3 best looking players if he joined

Who's #3?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:16:56 PM
Cabaye, Anita, Marveaux, Debuchy, Ben Arfa and Santon are all pretty good looking chaps.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:19:34 PM
Williamson too with his cool hair
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:21:35 PM
Nah Willo is a gimp, should have included Gouffran though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nemtizz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:31:35 PM
Haidara for me like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 04:37:35 PM
For an Argentine, Colo's marking at set pieces is not that good.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 05:09:11 PM
He's awful at set pieces full stop. Rest of his game (minus the horrible lack of pace) is pretty Rolls Royce, obviously.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 05:21:36 PM
He's awful at set pieces full stop. Rest of his game (minus the horrible lack of pace) is pretty Rolls Royce, obviously.

Well i was trying to be tactful, but what Ron said. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 05:28:33 PM
He's awful at set pieces full stop. Rest of his game (minus the horrible lack of pace) is pretty Rolls Royce, obviously.

Well i was trying to be tactful, but what Ron said. :lol:

Probably why our set pieces are so s***. Pardew must be scratching his head every match day when in training the lofted ball to Williamson results in a goal every 9 out of 10 attempts.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 4 August 2013, 05:33:10 PM
He's awful at set pieces full stop. Rest of his game (minus the horrible lack of pace) is pretty Rolls Royce, obviously.

He's not great at jumping, tbh.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 05:50:17 PM
He's awful at set pieces full stop. Rest of his game (minus the horrible lack of pace) is pretty Rolls Royce, obviously.

He's not great at jumping, tbh.

His marking is terrible, often loses his man.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 4 August 2013, 05:57:05 PM
Colo's not quick by any means but I don't think it stands out in his game. Sometimes he gets too close and his lack of pace is exposed (though that has improved immeasurably since his first season) and he gets out to help the full-back in good time. Aerially, he's so-so.

He was f***ing brilliant in the season before last (5th). Every week was nearly flawless. Last season he was only okay until the s*** hit the fan, but I'm ecstatic that he's staying and don't have any major worries about him being an asset for us again.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jack Flash on Sunday 4 August 2013, 07:07:41 PM
I want Sunderland to be in whatever league we're in. There's already too many emotionless matches without losing another 2.
You can talk absolute horseshite at times, but this is a brilliant one.

You said this in the right thread at least. If you want to post examples I'm all ears/eyes?

Not just me talking absolute horseshite then? :iamatwat:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 07:11:32 PM
Last season he was only okay until the s*** hit the fan, but I'm ecstatic that he's staying and don't have any major worries about him being an asset for us again.

He actually played far better after his 'personal problems' were revealed in January.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 07:17:19 PM
I thought he had a good season all in all and was superb coming back from injury at the end. He made a few errors but nothing you couldn't forgive due to how f***ing great we were at conceding possession and inviting pressure.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 07:31:36 PM
I thought he had a good season all in all and was superb coming back from injury at the end. He made a few errors but nothing you couldn't forgive due to how f***ing great we were at conceding possession and inviting pressure.

You've got to protect Colo a little bit by not playing too high a line and partnering him with a dominant header of the ball. One of the reasons Mapou probably won't start with everyone fit.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 08:14:41 PM
I quite like JFK  :crazy2:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 4 August 2013, 08:23:58 PM
Viana was a very underrated player and Luque would have been good in different circumstances
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yanga on Sunday 4 August 2013, 08:39:52 PM
I thought he had a good season all in all and was superb coming back from injury at the end. He made a few errors but nothing you couldn't forgive due to how f***ing great we were at conceding possession and inviting pressure.

You've got to protect Colo a little bit by not playing too high a line and partnering him with a dominant header of the ball. One of the reasons Mapou probably won't start with everyone fit.

Pains me to say it but Colo and Williamson has probably been our best CB partnership over the last few years.

Saying that, Colo and Mapou have to play together - if they click, they could be one of the league's best pairings. Same applies for Cabaye and Tiote at CM.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 09:39:50 PM
We don't know how well Colo and Mapou will play together so I'll let that one go, but Cabaye and Tiote? Come on, man. One's total crap and the other's never really going to excel in this league, especially not when he has to carry the other.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 4 August 2013, 09:41:57 PM
Yep i hate Cabaye and Tiote as a partnership.

If we are going 4-4-2 and we do get the necessary targets to make it work i want Cabaye and Sissoko as often as possible.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 09:44:42 PM
We really struggle with/manage to f*** up CM partnerships like :lol:

Acuna & McClen was probably the best one in my era  :D
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SteveMc on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:18:24 PM
I still love Jonas
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:23:11 PM
I still love Jonas

I think he could be a decent squad player this season but only in a central role.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Slim on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:23:46 PM
I still love Jonas

I think he could be a decent squad player this season but only in a central role.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:24:43 PM
We really struggle with/manage to f*** up CM partnerships like :lol:

Acuna & McClen was probably the best one in my era  :D

Brian Kerr ftw.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:33:13 PM
Them f***ing avatars/sigs, man.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Terry-Thomas on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:51:55 PM
Robert was average at best.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:52:48 PM
WUM.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Terry-Thomas on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:57:38 PM
You don't like my post so you call me a wind-up?

That's a bit s***.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:58:01 PM
Bash him, Ronny.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:58:09 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:58:34 PM
Well i liked his reply, straight to the point.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Sunday 4 August 2013, 10:59:32 PM
Average at best?

On his day he was unplayable and one of the best in the league.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:00:24 PM
Mackem.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:01:13 PM
Mackem.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Terry-Thomas on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:01:21 PM
Robert was unplayable?  :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Terry-Thomas on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:03:01 PM
Mackem.

I've been going since 1971.

Newcastle-Online and its preciousness, christ.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:03:15 PM
I'd love to know when we can next expect to have a winger score 12 goals in a season out of nothing and create f*** knows how many chances per game.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:03:41 PM
Robert was unplayable?  :lol:

I can say from my position as an opposing team yes, yes he was. I know plenty of other clubs' fans did not like Robert playing against them one bit.

Unnecessary smiley to finish. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:05:53 PM
He was exceptional when he wanted to be, I loved his time here. What a player!
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:08:09 PM
Average at best. :lol:
That's possibly the most ludicrous statement I've ever read on here.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Terry-Thomas on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:08:40 PM
You arselicking scouse c***. The idea that Robert was 'unplayable' has to be one of the most ridiculous football views I've ever heard.

Mackem etc.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:09:18 PM
Mackem.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:09:29 PM
Robert was average at best.

Robert Pattinson?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:09:41 PM
You arselicking scouse c***. The idea that Robert was 'unplayable' has to be one of the most ridiculous football views I've ever heard.

Mackem etc.

:kinnear:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:09:55 PM
My dad hated Robert because he would destroy his team (Spurs) nearly every single time :lol:

I reckon there's a few other "neutrals" people can round up and testify that Robert was a brilliant player and someone we have missed ever since he left.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:11:02 PM
Well that went up a notch.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:12:24 PM
What Newcastle (or Sunderland) player has come close to the goals and assist ratio Robert would provide us?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:12:56 PM
What Newcastle (or Sunderland) player has come close to the goals and assist ratio Robert would provide us?

James Potato ?.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:13:55 PM
I think some people misunderstand the idea of this thread... posting opinions that are just clearly wrong seems a bit silly. Anyway, carry on.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Terry-Thomas on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:15:16 PM
Robert was average at best.

Robert Pattinson?

Moncur obviously. Or Mitchell.

I'm outgunned by familiarity and numbers here but the idea that Laurent Robert was a Newcastle great is f***ing ridiculous in my opinion. I watched him many, many times and I think he was f*** all myself.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:16:39 PM
You arselicking scouse c***. The idea that Robert was 'unplayable' has to be one of the most ridiculous football views I've ever heard.

Mackem etc.

Good stuff mate, good stuff.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:17:46 PM
You're outgunned by common sense, which is normally a rarity on this board.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:17:56 PM
He was no Sebastien Larsson if we are being honest but then I don't think anyone ever claimed him to be at that standard.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Terry-Thomas on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:19:54 PM
You're outgunned by common sense, which is normally a rarity on this board.

I'm outgunned by people who overrate Robert including yourself, but carry on.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:20:28 PM
Well this has taken a rather peculiar turn.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:20:37 PM
Robert was average at best.

Robert Pattinson?

Moncur obviously. Or Mitchell.

I'm outgunned by familiarity and numbers here but the idea that Laurent Robert was a Newcastle great is f***ing ridiculous in my opinion. I watched him many, many times and I think he was f*** all myself.

He'd go in and out of form in minutes, he was frustrating, petulant, work shy and lazy but f*** me when he got it right he was untouchable or unplayable, and that is what people are aluding too. Those moments stopped coming far too soon and he faded fast.

He couldn't control a game, or dominate it, give a man of the match performance, he was all about the moment and its in those moments some sheer genius was on display, stuff I hadn't seen since Ginola and have only seen since in Ben Arfa, so yes, the Robert highlight reel is gorgeous, but watching him in a typical match was more infuriating than a pleasure but those one off moments when he got it right were magic and totally and utterly unplayable. 

The only kind of consistency he ever had was he'd turn it on against spurs, god how he hated them f***ers.  :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: PineBarrens on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:22:45 PM
Although by the 2004-2005 season he was more frustrating than productive, Laurent Robert was exceptional in his first full season. Robert and Bellamy helped transform that NUFC side from mid-table mediocrity into the most exciting Newcastle side since the mid-90's.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:22:49 PM
He had 4 seasons here and the 3rd was his best. Souness killed him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:23:52 PM
So who is Terry Thomas? Definitely a member who was previously banned imo (given he has already called Neil out as a scouse c***) but Mackem or WUM Newcastle fan?

Still going Mackem given his past comments but I can't remember any obvious mackem candidates who have recently left us.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dokko on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:24:43 PM
So who is Terry Thomas? Definitely a member who was previously banned imo (given he has already called Neil out as a scouse c***) but Mackem or WUM Newcastle fan?

Still going Mackem given his past comments but I can't remember any obvious mackem candidates who have recently left us.

I wonder what this guys plan is, I'm sure it's masterful.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:24:48 PM
It's Wshmag or whatever he was called. The guy who wanted Xisco to die in a helicopter crash.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fenham Mag on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:25:03 PM
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/3b84213d33c58e73e9529ab49ac5e5be/tumblr_mgc3xpp2NF1s15sl9o1_400.gif)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:25:35 PM
It's Wshmag or whatever he was called. The guy who wanted Xisco to die in a helicopter crash.
:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: quayside on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:25:53 PM
I think some people misunderstand the idea of this thread... posting opinions that are just clearly wrong seems a bit silly. Anyway, carry on.

Late to the thread  - but from the title I thought it might be an opportunity for anyone who has an unfashionable view to let it go here. Like Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Krul etc have not put in transfer requests and we have not sacked Pardew so everything is clearly cool at SJP - that sort of stuff? 
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:28:14 PM
"The Garth Crooks Levels of Mentally Ill Opinions in Football Thread"
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:28:41 PM
This thread in 5 minutes.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/life-goes-on-lebowski.gif) (http://reactiongifs.com/?p=5593)

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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:29:15 PM
"The Garth Crooks Levels of Mentally Ill Opinions in Football Thread"

Merson proportions, imo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:29:49 PM
That's a really specific and odd way for someone to wish death on Xisco. "I hate that c***, you know. I hope he dies in a helicopter crash"
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:34:43 PM
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I think that Sol Campbell at his peak was the best centre half England have had for a while.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:39:00 PM
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not, but I think that Sol Campbell at his peak was the best English centre half we've had for a while.

We = England? Yeah probably, although I think Rio is class.

We = Newcastle? Well, yeah he probably was :lol: Nah I like Saylor really.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:39:37 PM
Sol was a beast.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:39:43 PM
I meant England... should have been clear.

I think he was better than Rio and Terry.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:41:47 PM
Definitely better than Terry who I don't really rate outside of the PL (where he is class, was absolutely made for this league).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:42:18 PM
He was definitely better than Terry, there's not even a contest there.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:42:21 PM
Kenny Dalglish would have turned it around given another full season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:49:13 PM
Better than Terry but not Rio.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:52:49 PM
I meant England... should have been clear.

I think he was better than Rio and Terry.

Agree 100%. Best English centre half since Des Walker and Terry Butcher.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:56:40 PM
I thought Tony "Donkey" Adams was class as well tbf.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:57:17 PM
Better than Terry but not Rio.

I think Sol had the pace and physical dominance that Rio has never had.  That set him apart for me.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:58:32 PM
Sol was never as quick as Rio.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Colossus on Sunday 4 August 2013, 11:59:20 PM
I thought Tony "Donkey" Adams was class as well tbf.

One of my favourite bits of non-NUFC commentary is him scoring on the last day of the season, "put through by Steve Bould, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?!"
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dokko on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:03:11 AM
Sol was never as quick as Rio.

He was much much quicker. When he was at spuds there wasn't anyone who could beat him for pace, he was a beast but put on too much muscle which slowed him down. These days you'd have him keep that pace instead of strength but back then ferdinands & Shearers were all the rage and doing the biz. Few injuries later in his arsenal career and his game was totally different.

Early sol was amazing.



Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Colossus on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:03:44 AM
That's more of an irrelevant comment than an unpopular opinion, really.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:13:33 AM
I thought Tony "Donkey" Adams was class as well tbf.

One of my favourite bits of non-NUFC commentary is him scoring on the last day of the season, "put through by Steve Bould, WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT?!"

Yes, I f***ing would, as our net bristles for the 4th time.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:30:06 AM
I despise Ian Holloway.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:33:41 AM
Sol was never as quick as Rio.

He was much much quicker. When he was at spuds there wasn't anyone who could beat him for pace, he was a beast but put on too much muscle which slowed him down. These days you'd have him keep that pace instead of strength but back then ferdinands & Shearers were all the rage and doing the biz. Few injuries later in his arsenal career and his game was totally different.

Early sol was amazing.


I keep reading that on here. How does muscle slow you down? A sports scientist would laugh at that comment.

Sol was strong and quick, but never Rio quick. Prime Rio had absolutely fantastic pace.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:35:52 AM
Sol in his prime at Spurs was lightning quick, Rio never had that kind of pace.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:37:02 AM

I keep reading that on here. How does muscle slow you down? A sports scientist would laugh at that comment.

Sol was strong and quick, but never Rio quick. Prime Rio had absolutely fantastic pace.

I'm sure you know improved muscle mass doesn't always mean improved muscle strength. Though, you're right in a way, if a footballer puts on muscle mass and doesn't improve explosive strength then their coaches want hung.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:56:48 AM
I agree with Ronaldo here.

Sol wasn't really pacey at least to prime Rio level, it was more his strength combined with a certain degree of pace that slowed his opponents down.

If a man that size is running and getting physical he's going to slow you down that's basically what Sol did.

As well as he's fantastically accurate recovery challenges.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Stottie on Monday 5 August 2013, 12:59:35 AM
I'd love to know when we can next expect to have a winger score 12 goals in a season out of nothing and create f*** knows how many chances per game.

Late to the party I know, but yeah, at an average of about twenty yards out. Check out Sewelly's vid for the evidence.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: alexf on Monday 5 August 2013, 01:22:26 AM
Sol used to go on some cracking runs out of defence in his younger years.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TRC on Monday 5 August 2013, 03:25:37 AM
Ledley King and Woodgate were both better than Sol.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Monday 5 August 2013, 06:31:56 AM
Ledley King and Woodgate were both better than Sol.

See I could compare Woody but Ledley King. ......nah.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Monday 5 August 2013, 06:32:55 AM
I thought Tony "Donkey" Adams was class as well tbf.

He was .
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 09:50:45 AM
Cabaye, Anita, Marveaux, Debuchy, Ben Arfa and Santon are all pretty good looking chaps.
Moussa has something about him.... better looking than Debuchy at least.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 09:51:38 AM
He's awful at set pieces full stop. Rest of his game (minus the horrible lack of pace) is pretty Rolls Royce, obviously.
He's not good in the air in general. Horrible weaknesses to have as a CB. The rest of his game can be A*.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:03:53 AM
Last season he was only okay until the s*** hit the fan, but I'm ecstatic that he's staying and don't have any major worries about him being an asset for us again.

He actually played far better after his 'personal problems' were revealed in January.
Yep. I was saying week after week that Colo was playing poorly. Nobody was having it. Blinkered on this site to the obvious.

Colo has a lot of fundamental weaknesses but compensates for it with his many positive attributes. However, with such flaws there's always the chance they will get exposed. And there are many.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:05:03 AM
I thought he had a good season all in all and was superb coming back from injury at the end. He made a few errors but nothing you couldn't forgive due to how f***ing great we were at conceding possession and inviting pressure.

You've got to protect Colo a little bit by not playing too high a line and partnering him with a dominant header of the ball. One of the reasons Mapou probably won't start with everyone fit.
Almost bang on
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:08:10 AM
Yep i hate Cabaye and Tiote as a partnership.

If we are going 4-4-2 and we do get the necessary targets to make it work i want Cabaye and Sissoko as often as possible.

Nah. 4-4-2 with wide men that actually want to attack and preferrably with some width Cabaye-Tiote sitting deep with the wide men pushed up a bit and a striker dropping deep a bit to link things. Lovely.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:09:09 AM
Yep i hate Cabaye and Tiote as a partnership.

If we are going 4-4-2 and we do get the necessary targets to make it work i want Cabaye and Sissoko as often as possible.

Nah. 4-4-2 with wide men that actually want to attack and preferrably with some width Cabaye-Tiote sitting deep with the wide men pushed up a bit and a striker dropping deep a bit to link things. Lovely.

Recipe for disaster that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:33:40 AM
Rio is one of the best CB's of his generation - period. In the last 10/15 years, he would be competing for the top 10 imo. Fine defender. Even though his legs have gone he's still a fabulous CB.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:39:26 AM
I agree with Ronaldo here.

Sol wasn't really pacey at least to prime Rio level, it was more his strength combined with a certain degree of pace that slowed his opponents down.

If a man that size is running and getting physical he's going to slow you down that's basically what Sol did.

As well as he's fantastically accurate recovery challenges.

Disagree a bit. Sol had a bit of that sprinter explosiveness. Over 10 or so metres, in his prime he was faster than Rio over that distance. Rio probably had a higher top speed and faster in a longer foot race or from a running start.

And that muscle mass thing is a myth too tbh, especially for taller players. Even David Rudisha is a very strong lad. 100-400m sprinters tend to be noticeably muscular.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: micky_123 on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:43:14 AM
Rio is one of the best CB's of his generation - period. In the last 10/15 years, he would be competing for the top 10 imo. Fine defender. Even though his legs have gone he's still a fabulous CB.

Totally agree with this
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dokko on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:48:01 AM
Simply put if you think rio was faster than sol you weren't watching the premiership in 1994 or can't remember it.

(http://e2.365dm.com/12/05/402x210/Sol-Campbell-Tottenham-vs-Blackburn-1994_2758881.jpg?2012-05-02%2010:23:01)

Tree trunk legs and lean top, it wasn't till his late spuds and early arsenal days did he change shape and lose his pace, you can't keep sprinting around at that speed over and over for 90mins when built like late 90s erly 2000s sol.

Ameobi used to have good pace when he was skinny, look at him now.


Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 10:48:41 AM
Robert was a match-winner. He won us matches. Sometimes it might just be a freekick to sink L'pool at home. Sometimes a quality corner for Speed to nod home. But when you had him, Solano, Dyer, Bellamy, Shearer and Speed. You always felt we had a goal in us. Always. As did the opposition. Scared of us.

Miss that whole mid set.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 11:00:39 AM
Nah Ameobi was never quick. Never.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dokko on Monday 5 August 2013, 11:02:53 AM
Nah Ameobi was never quick. Never.

He had good pace, nothing to crow about but fast enough to cause problems, now he's like a rock.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Monday 5 August 2013, 11:08:35 AM
Ledley King and Woodgate were both better than Sol.

See I could compare Woody but Ledley King. ......nah.

I respectfully disagree. Sol was extraordinarily physically gifted, and an excellent CB, but Ledley was better, and comfortably better on the ball. The impact of his injury (at the age of 19 http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/07/29/3272802/ledley-kings-knee-problems-started-in-tottenham-debut) cannot be understated, and what he achieved despite that was astonishing.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Monday 5 August 2013, 11:22:38 AM
The best way of describing muscle slowing you down would be to point to Frank Bruno.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 5 August 2013, 11:44:47 AM
Only a Spurs fan would say that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: alexf on Monday 5 August 2013, 01:47:04 PM
Lee Clark seems a miserable b******.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 5 August 2013, 01:51:29 PM
Robert was a match-winner. He won us matches. Sometimes it might just be a freekick to sink L'pool at home. Sometimes a quality corner for Speed to nod home. But when you had him, Solano, Dyer, Bellamy, Shearer and Speed. You always felt we had a goal in us. Always. As did the opposition. Scared of us.

Miss that whole mid set.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jesse Pinkman on Monday 5 August 2013, 05:15:31 PM
I won't let Colo shag my wife.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 5 August 2013, 05:26:04 PM
The best way of describing muscle slowing you down would be to point to Frank Bruno.

It didn't slow his punches or footwork down until the end of the fight. It mainly stiffened him up and reduced the angles he could punch from. What Bruno's trainers were thinking of in letting him hit the weights to that extend is beyond me. Not that he was ever really capable of achieving more than he did.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 5 August 2013, 05:29:23 PM
Ameobi used to have good pace when he was skinny, look at him now.

Probably the second daftest one you'll read in here.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Colossus on Monday 5 August 2013, 05:38:32 PM
I hate Norwich's new home top and I've only seen people think it's lush. Looks so League Two.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Monday 5 August 2013, 06:13:42 PM
Only a Spurs fan would say that.

I think Ledley was class tbf, like Woodgate he would have been immense if he was ever fit for a decent run of games. England would have had an amazing selection of centre backs.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:12:55 PM
Only a Spurs fan would say that.

I think Ledley was class tbf, like Woodgate he would have been immense if he was ever fit for a decent run of games. England would have had an amazing selection of centre backs.

Okay but those are what-if's. Sol Campbell was a better player.. in part because his knees worked. Ledley may have had more potential, more talent... but Sol Campbell was the better player. Ledley never hit the heights, sorry.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:15:07 PM
No doubt Ledley was excellent.

But for me it's Rio > Sol > Terry > Ledley > Carragher > Woodgate (that lad barely played)

Talent wise it would be different - granted.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:17:25 PM
No doubt Ledley was excellent.

But for me it's Rio > Sol > Terry > Ledley > Carragher > Woodgate (that lad barely played)

Talent wise it would be different - granted.

Agree with that. Woodgate possibly had more talent than all but Rio and Ledley but his body and his attitude let him down.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:20:58 PM
No doubt Ledley was excellent.

But for me it's Rio > Sol > Terry > Ledley > Carragher > Woodgate (that lad barely played)

Talent wise it would be different - granted.

Agree with that. Woodgate possibly had more talent than all but Rio and Ledley but his body and his attitude let him down.

Take injuries away from the equation,  Woodgate is superior to all, imho of course. As it is I go Sol- Rio - Woodgate - Terry - King.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:23:40 PM
Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:31:43 PM
Nah. You look at Owen, he was also injury-prone but he had a good 5-6 year prime where you could really rank him among his peers. Woodgate? Nope. We can only discuss talent and even then i'm not sure he's more talented than King or Ferdinand. Rio went to Leeds and was captain within a year of joining.

I loved Woodgate as a player but he was a bit of a Myth. While Rio has been at the top of the pile for over a decade.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:48:00 PM
Best British/Irish central defenders I've seen .

McGrath,  Walker, Hansen, Lawrenson,  Butcher and Adams.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:49:02 PM
Campbell was very good but he was made to look better than he was by having Gilberto infront of him for Arsenal.

Ferdinand, Woodgate and King were far more natural defenders. By that I should say made defending look easier than it should.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 04:56:11 PM
In terms of talent and intelligence I'd have Rio, Ledley and Woodgate at the peak of English defenders I've seen. I've always thought Carragher was pap.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:04:20 PM
Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either.

Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:05:56 PM
Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either.

Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries.

And a lifestyle of getting p*ssed and not looking after himself properly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:07:23 PM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:07:56 PM
Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either.

Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries.

And a lifestyle of getting p*ssed and not looking after himself properly.

I don't really know much about that, or whether it affected his football.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:09:28 PM
Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either.

Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries.

Dude, I saw the way Woodgate conducted himself when I lived in Boro and spoke to a dozen people who grew up with the lad. Everything I saw and heard screamed utter small-time c*** who's natural talent would've been far better used by 95% of the population. Absolute waste.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:10:39 PM
Woodgate never had the desire the others had to be a top level footballer. There's absolutely nothing he was better at than Rio, either.

Doubt it was anything to do with desire, it was everything to do with injuries.

Dude, I saw the way Woodgate conducted himself when I lived in Boro and spoke to a dozen people who grew up with the lad. Everything I saw and heard screamed utter small-time c*** who's natural talent would've been far better used by 95% of the population. Absolute waste.

I'll bow to your superior knowledge. Like I say, I don't know much about his private life or whether it contributed to his lack of fitness or was just made worse by frustration over always being injured.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:12:47 PM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TBG on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:30:22 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Robbo on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:32:15 PM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.
Glassing himself? Jesus :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: BrettNUFC on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:33:08 PM
Players burning 20 pound notes in public stories, not enough of them.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:33:58 PM
Players burning 20 pound notes in public stories, not enough of them.

I saw him do it first-hand. As did NSG I think. Half of Boro saw the idiot do it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Tuesday 6 August 2013, 05:38:54 PM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.

(http://www.memecreator.com/static/images/memes/218035.jpg)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 8 August 2013, 07:51:08 AM
Hate the formation talk on the forum. Especially because we have never played a 4-3-3 with Pardew. I like to talk tactics but the constant formations being put up is tiresome
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: nobby_solano on Thursday 8 August 2013, 08:03:27 AM
i'd not lose a second of sleep if we were in a cup final and one of our players cheated to win  :embarrassed:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: cubaricho on Thursday 8 August 2013, 08:25:53 AM
I like Shola. :blush:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 8 August 2013, 08:28:41 AM
i'd not lose a second of sleep if we were in a cup final and one of our players cheated to win  :embarrassed:

:thup: couldn't give a f***, footballers cheat all the time during games it's all the same. If we won I wouldn't care
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 8 August 2013, 09:30:05 AM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.
Glassing himself? Jesus :lol:

He did that when he was at NUFC while on holiday, was in the Daily Star front page.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 8 August 2013, 09:31:24 AM
Also Woodgate knocked around with some of boro's drug lord's IIRC.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: alexf on Thursday 8 August 2013, 09:41:23 AM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.

I don't get it? so you were there or you weren't?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 8 August 2013, 12:31:23 PM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.

Preach brother, preach. Praised far too highly and his England craic was pathetic.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: KDT on Thursday 8 August 2013, 12:34:07 PM
Hate the formation talk on the forum. Especially because we have never played a 4-3-3 with Pardew. I like to talk tactics but the constant formations being put up is tiresome

What did we play with Ba, Ben Arfa & Cisse? It was certainly advertised on teamsheets and through the official twitter as a 4-3-3.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cronky on Thursday 8 August 2013, 12:51:52 PM
Hate the formation talk on the forum. Especially because we have never played a 4-3-3 with Pardew. I like to talk tactics but the constant formations being put up is tiresome

What did we play with Ba, Ben Arfa & Cisse? It was certainly advertised on teamsheets and through the official twitter as a 4-3-3.

The problem with the terminology is it implies that the team is operating in straight lines across the pitch. It's only the back four, and to a lesser extent the midfield when defending, that do that.

When attacking, a team has to get out of the straitjacket of straight lines.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:00:00 PM
Hate the formation talk on the forum. Especially because we have never played a 4-3-3 with Pardew. I like to talk tactics but the constant formations being put up is tiresome

What did we play with Ba, Ben Arfa & Cisse? It was certainly advertised on teamsheets and through the official twitter as a 4-3-3.
4-2-3-1

Cabaye barely had to track back and get goal-side when the other team had the ball.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: KDT on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:16:15 PM
Hate the formation talk on the forum. Especially because we have never played a 4-3-3 with Pardew. I like to talk tactics but the constant formations being put up is tiresome

What did we play with Ba, Ben Arfa & Cisse? It was certainly advertised on teamsheets and through the official twitter as a 4-3-3.
4-2-3-1

Cabaye barely had to track back and get goal-side when the other team had the ball.

Don't agree with that given that Ben Arfa was told to track back as much as anyone.

Also playing a midfield 3 against a 2 you can always sort out which one of the 3 is able to 'cheat' as such and have little to no defensive responsibility.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:21:41 PM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.
Glassing himself? Jesus :lol:

He did that when he was at NUFC while on holiday, was in the Daily Star front page.

Such a shame with Woodgate. Happens all the time in sport - players with so much talent but absolute 0 sense to make something of it or look about themselves to show for the opportunity and skill that people absolutely dream about. Pisses me off.

I'll just say Rio > Sol and leave it there. None of the other in the list are fit enough talent wise or played enough to prove that wrong. But will note that Sol at his best wasn't far off Rio in my opinion.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:27:48 PM
I still wonder how much of Woodgate's problems were caused by furstration at always being injured. Or at least made worse. I don't know, but that amount of serious injuries curtailing your potential must take its toll on the heed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:28:44 PM
I know someone who was in the same Leeds youth team as Woodgate and some of the stories would definitely question his attitude.

Walking into bars and casually taking your nob out while drinking away isn't normal behaviour.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:29:36 PM
Woodgate had everything. Probably would have been the best English defender ever if he could have stayed fit.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:43:29 PM
Carragher put in some fantastic performances for L'pool when they had those 5 or so season when they did very well in that competition.

Just as much as he and John Terry are over-rated in the media. They are under-rated in some sectors. For example, John Terry is slow and brutish but he is a good footballer who is comfortable with the ball at his feet.


I would say that fans that actually go to matches, love those types of defenders. Armchair pundits - not so much.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:46:57 PM
Carragher was a utility defender that was given a position (cb) he excelled in maybe a little too late.

Terry is a fantastic premier league defender, he just doesn't suit European or international football as well.

Rio and Woodgate (and even King tbh) were just class defenders, plonk them in any league/tournament and they would do equally well.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Thursday 8 August 2013, 02:55:24 PM
Terry is a poor man's Tony Adams tbh.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Thursday 8 August 2013, 03:09:13 PM
Terry is a poor man's Tony Adams tbh.

Pretty much spot on although I think Adams was a far better international player, that might be an era thing though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 8 August 2013, 03:22:57 PM
In this very moment I'd prefer to watch Arsenal with Suarez than for Suarez to leave the Premier league.

I imagine my stance will change massively after about 20 minutes of his first match at Arsenal.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Friday 9 August 2013, 12:22:07 PM
In this very moment I'd prefer to watch Arsenal with Suarez than for Suarez to leave the Premier league.

I imagine my stance will change massively after about 20 minutes of his first match at Arsenal.

I really can't make up my mind about the Suarez thing. On the one hand, he's a total c*** so hopefully people will learn to hate Arsenal a bit more, it will p*ss off Liverpool no end and he's missing a few games. On the other, he's really good and I don't want good players at Arsenal, obviously.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Friday 9 August 2013, 12:27:40 PM
In this very moment I'd prefer to watch Arsenal with Suarez than for Suarez to leave the Premier league.

I imagine my stance will change massively after about 20 minutes of his first match at Arsenal.

I really can't make up my mind about the Suarez thing. On the one hand, he's a total c*** so hopefully people will learn to hate Arsenal a bit more, it will p*ss off Liverpool no end and he's missing a few games. On the other, he's really good and I don't want good players at Arsenal, obviously.

Just think about the fact they are spending £40m on a player who everyone hates and is likely to be suspended a hell of a lot. They could spend the money better elsewhere imo so if they are going to spend it this is probably the best scenario for you lot :)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 9 August 2013, 12:33:57 PM
Hate the formation talk on the forum. Especially because we have never played a 4-3-3 with Pardew. I like to talk tactics but the constant formations being put up is tiresome

Its more about trying to explain positions than actual formations, its just a lot easier to portray what i'm trying to say in formations than in a paragraph of words.

We won't be playing 433 this season anyway that much is obvious and i have accepted it, which is why when i talk about it i only talk about a 442 or 4231 because that's what we are going to see whether we like it or not.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:02:15 PM
I'd love for Suarez to go abroad, I can't stand him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:02:47 PM
Positioning stuff is great
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:04:13 PM
I love the Ameobi's. I want one playing for NUFC for the duration of my lifetime. Not in the first team like.

One of them is bound to become world class.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:17:46 PM
I'd not be opposed to a third Keegan reign under new ownership.

I'm in.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:52:39 PM
I'd love for Suarez to go abroad, I can't stand him.

I don't think that's unpopular. Not with me anyway!
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:54:30 PM
You say that, but do you not enjoy a bit of controversy? Obviously he's a c***. However, I can't pretend all the chaos didn't make for interesting discussion. I have the same feeling about goal-line technology but, having been on the losing end of it with us a few times, I'm for that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:55:36 PM
You say that, but do you not enjoy a bit of controversy? Obviously he's a c***. However, I can't pretend all the chaos didn't make for interesting discussion. I have the same feeling about goal-line technology but, having been on the losing end of it with us a few times, I'm for that.

I enjoy controversy if it's fairly normal within the game, but I hate people acting like c***s. Diving, whinging, racisming. Spoils MOTD most weeks IMO, hate the guy so much.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Venkman on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:58:10 PM
You say that, but do you not enjoy a bit of controversy? Obviously he's a c***. However, I can't pretend all the chaos didn't make for interesting discussion. I have the same feeling about goal-line technology but, having been on the losing end of it with us a few times, I'm for that.

I enjoy controversy if it's fairly normal within the game, but I hate people acting like c***s. Diving, whinging, racisming. Spoils MOTD most weeks IMO, hate the guy so much.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:58:28 PM
Aye you like a bit of entertainment, plus he's one of the best players in the World. I only want him out of the country when he's doing damage to us with his ability, the c***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jack Flash on Friday 9 August 2013, 01:59:19 PM
I want Suarez to stay because he's both a brilliant player and a lunatic. It's the perfect combination for a footballer.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 9 August 2013, 02:10:44 PM
Aye you like a bit of entertainment, plus he's one of the best players in the World. I only want him out of the country when he's doing damage to us with his ability, the c***.

100% this. I hate the c*** but love watching him unless he's taking Colo to the cleaners a la Anfield last season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Friday 9 August 2013, 02:11:27 PM
I want Suarez to stay because he's both a brilliant player and a lunatic. It's the perfect combination for a footballer.

:thup: Mata aside he's probably my go to player to watch in the PL aside from our dross.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 9 August 2013, 02:18:23 PM
I just don't enjoy watching him at all. His amazing ability actually makes him worse IMO, because he has no reason to act like such a t***. Anyway, moving on...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Friday 9 August 2013, 02:23:12 PM
This thread is easily one of my favorites btw. Real good stuff on here.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Friday 9 August 2013, 02:24:36 PM
I just don't enjoy watching him at all. His amazing ability actually makes him worse IMO, because he has no reason to act like such a t***. Anyway, moving on...

I agree tbh.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 9 August 2013, 02:39:42 PM
There's not a redeemable aspect about his pitch-persona. He's not "Scarface" type bad guy. Not Cantona bad guy. He's just the bad guy. Literally.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Friday 9 August 2013, 03:22:58 PM
Just seen the Balotelli thread being bumped, he was a controversial knob head you could still enjoy. Suarez is just a straight out c*** whose face you would happily jump on.

Imo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 9 August 2013, 05:52:56 PM
AVB is one of the best managers in the world.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 9 August 2013, 05:54:25 PM
What?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 9 August 2013, 05:57:57 PM
What?

It wasn't a riddle.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:16:48 PM
AVB is one of the best managers in the world.

And yet possibly only 3rd best, at best, in the city where he plys his trade.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:17:27 PM
Well, Wenger and Mourinho are both top 5 in the world, let alone London. AVB doesn't lose much by playing second-fiddle to them.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:18:47 PM
There's not a redeemable aspect about his pitch-persona. He's not "Scarface" type bad guy. Not Cantona bad guy. He's just the bad guy. Literally.

The Premiership would be the poorer without Suarez. As he's one of the best in it .
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Elliottman on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:21:31 PM
AVB is one of the best managers in the world.

What has he achieved to deserve such praise?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:22:02 PM
Well, Wenger and Mourinho are both top 5 in the world, let alone London.

Possibly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:22:42 PM
Well, Wenger and Mourinho are both top 5 in the world, let alone London.

Possibly.

IMO, not in any particular order: Mourinho, Wenger, Guardiola, Benitez, AVB, Klopp, Ancelotti, Deschamps and Conte all have some claim to a list of the top managers.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:26:30 PM
Taking aside the fact we are supporters, NUFC is one of the most badly ran, unlikable clubs in the country, despite relatively recently being most people's second favourite team playing entertaining attacking football under KK.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ginola on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:34:53 PM
AVB is underrated, wouldn't say he's one of the best in the world though
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 9 August 2013, 06:38:22 PM
Well, Wenger and Mourinho are both top 5 in the world, let alone London.

Possibly.

IMO, not in any particular order: Mourinho, Wenger, Guardiola, Benitez, AVB, Klopp, Ancelotti, Deschamps and Conte all have some claim to a list of the top managers.

You've missed Hiddink.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 10 August 2013, 04:25:29 AM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.

I don't get it? so you were there or you weren't?

Just seen this. No I sadly missed out on that occasion as I hadn't quite moved to Boro yet but was told by someone who became a good (mutual) friend. I did witness him doing it later down the line in a Boro 'club' called Blue Lounge, though. Absolute Prick he is.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: n4e on Saturday 10 August 2013, 05:46:16 AM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.

I don't get it? so you were there or you weren't?

Just seen this. No I sadly missed out on that occasion as I hadn't quite moved to Boro yet but was told by someone who became a good (mutual) friend. I did witness him doing it later down the line in a Boro 'club' called Blue Lounge, though. Absolute Prick he is.

A sceptic may look at this and assume you've fabricated these scenarios to suit your own agenda, wouldn't you agree?


I hate people like Bellamy man. Everything boils down to who can knock who out in a fight, so utterly pathetic. Cracking player for us, but I've always thought he was a total bellend. Wasn't he in bars in Newcastle burning money in front of working class fans before too? I'm sure I read that on here before.

By someone with an agenda.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: loki679 on Saturday 10 August 2013, 05:49:28 AM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.

I don't get it? so you were there or you weren't?

Just seen this. No I sadly missed out on that occasion as I hadn't quite moved to Boro yet but was told by someone who became a good (mutual) friend. I did witness him doing it later down the line in a Boro 'club' called Blue Lounge, though. Absolute Prick he is.

A sceptic may look at this and assume you've fabricated these scenarios to suit your own agenda, wouldn't you agree?


I hate people like Bellamy man. Everything boils down to who can knock who out in a fight, so utterly pathetic. Cracking player for us, but I've always thought he was a total bellend. Wasn't he in bars in Newcastle burning money in front of working class fans before too? I'm sure I read that on here before.

By someone with an agenda.


It's quite sad that our estimations of the average footballer have sunk so low that it seems genuinely credible and not particularly surprising.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 10 August 2013, 07:31:23 AM
Well, Wenger and Mourinho are both top 5 in the world, let alone London.

Possibly.

IMO, not in any particular order: Mourinho, Wenger, Guardiola, Benitez, AVB, Klopp, Ancelotti, Deschamps and Conte all have some claim to a list of the top managers.
Deschamps? :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Saturday 10 August 2013, 07:34:12 AM
thought the same about deschamps like, and to be honest to make a top 5 in the world list (current) you'd want to be seeing titles and cups on there ergo i'm not convinced wenger should be there
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 10 August 2013, 09:11:08 AM
thought the same about deschamps like, and to be honest to make a top 5 in the world list (current) you'd want to be seeing titles and cups on there ergo i'm not convinced wenger should be there

But he would be above AVB though wouldn't he ? Which kind of makes Deuces point moot.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: NEEJ on Saturday 10 August 2013, 09:33:17 AM
Well, Wenger and Mourinho are both top 5 in the world, let alone London.

Possibly.

IMO, not in any particular order: Mourinho, Wenger, Guardiola, Benitez, AVB, Klopp, Ancelotti, Deschamps and Conte all have some claim to a list of the top managers.
Deschamps? :lol:
:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 10 August 2013, 09:56:55 AM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.

I don't get it? so you were there or you weren't?

Just seen this. No I sadly missed out on that occasion as I hadn't quite moved to Boro yet but was told by someone who became a good (mutual) friend. I did witness him doing it later down the line in a Boro 'club' called Blue Lounge, though. Absolute Prick he is.

I've heard the pint glass story referenced on The Football Ramble. Made the paper I think.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 10 August 2013, 11:54:34 AM
AVB is one of the best managers in the world.
What is this based on? He did a great job at Porto. Failed at Chelsea. Par at Spurs. Potential to be - yes. Now? nope.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 10 August 2013, 11:57:58 AM
Taking aside the fact we are supporters, NUFC is one of the most badly ran, unlikable clubs in the country, despite relatively recently being most people's second favourite team playing entertaining attacking football under KK.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: geordieglory on Saturday 10 August 2013, 12:25:37 PM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.

Abso-f***ing-exactly.  c*** of a man, and a s*** player to boot.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 10 August 2013, 12:27:50 PM
But he's brave! Being brave overrides all other characteristics, our lads are so brave they put Maldini to shame, they're proper players none of this fancy passing, just get stuck in bravely it's why we've bravely won so many world cups!
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 10 August 2013, 01:52:25 PM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.

Abso-f***ing-exactly.  c*** of a man, and a s*** player to boot.

He certainly wasn't the best defender in Europe as thr media would have you believe circa Istanbul and the season preceding but to say he was s*** is frankly bollocks . He was an international class player who found his way into the England team blocked by marginally better defenders
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Saturday 10 August 2013, 01:55:06 PM
Taking aside the fact we are supporters, NUFC is one of the most badly ran, unlikable clubs in the country, despite relatively recently being most people's second favourite team playing entertaining attacking football under KK.

Its all owner & board man - no way should we be judged by the absolute p*ss take of ownership.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Froggy on Saturday 10 August 2013, 02:02:21 PM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.

Abso-f***ing-exactly.  c*** of a man, and a s*** player to boot.

He was and is a c***, but was a good player. He made up for his lack of pace with his ability to read the game extremely well. His fearless style and aggression is definitely a plus point too. He was probably the slowest player in the Premiership the last two years and still managed to put in a lot of good performances for the scum.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 10 August 2013, 02:02:45 PM
Weeks after signing for f***ing Real Madrid he was in a dive pub in Boro that I wouldn't have been seen dead in on my lowest day, smashing pint glasses over his head and burning £20 notes in front of incontinent old men.

I don't get it? so you were there or you weren't?

Just seen this. No I sadly missed out on that occasion as I hadn't quite moved to Boro yet but was told by someone who became a good (mutual) friend. I did witness him doing it later down the line in a Boro 'club' called Blue Lounge, though. Absolute Prick he is.

A sceptic may look at this and assume you've fabricated these scenarios to suit your own agenda, wouldn't you agree?

I hate people like Bellamy man. Everything boils down to who can knock who out in a fight, so utterly pathetic. Cracking player for us, but I've always thought he was a total bellend. Wasn't he in bars in Newcastle burning money in front of working class fans before too? I'm sure I read that on here before.

By someone with an agenda.


Given that Decky was getting him confused with Dyer, and plenty in Boro have witnessed Woodgate's antics including NSG (I think) I wouldn't agree.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 10 August 2013, 06:19:37 PM
Jamie Carragher was a very good defender and a real leader and character for Liverpool. Not an elite defender but a very good one.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tiresias on Saturday 10 August 2013, 07:01:33 PM
Well ok I am maybe being a tad harsh, just sick to death about hyperbole around certain players
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 10 August 2013, 07:39:11 PM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.

Especially when he helped Liverpool to three European finals.

Never been a big fan of Carragher and was pretty awful post 31, but the above is absolutely ridiculous. Epitome of what's wrong with British football? Shut up. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Saturday 10 August 2013, 07:44:49 PM
Carragher was never world-class but he was certainly top-class. He read the game so well and was very good at timing tackles, interceptions etc. For me he was better than Terry but nowhere near as good as Rio Ferdinand, although for a while he was putting in top drawer performances on a consistent basis under Rafa.

As for Woodgate, everyone knew he was a nobhead and would act the bollocks when out, which for a so-called top athlete was far too often. He smoked, he drank and he dabbled in you know what.

He was a hell of a footballer though and if he applied himself correctly as any top athlete should he would have had a far better career, even taking into account some of his admittedly unavoidable injuries.

Dyer was similar and so too was Bellamy. All nobheads who liked to party more than an athlete should and all to the detriment of their respective careers.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Saturday 10 August 2013, 07:48:56 PM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.

Especially when he helped Liverpool to three European finals.

Never been a big fan of Carragher and was pretty awful post 31, but the above is absolutely ridiculous. Epitome of what's wrong with British football? Shut up. :lol:

Exactly. He wasn't even a typical get stuck in type of player either. If anything he struggled against powerful forwards, i.e. your Shearers and Drogbas. Carragher was a genuine decent all-round defender with little pace and technical ability but he made up for that with good positional sense, good timing, good tackling ability, exceptional reading of the game and genuine leadership qualities. You don't play all those games for Liverpool and win what he did if he was a mere clogger. Actually, he was quite decent on the ball in terms of playing simple balls. He wasn't one to simply hoof it for example.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Sunday 11 August 2013, 11:56:46 PM
:lol: ffs, if I could be arsed I'd dig up all the hateful posts about Carragher over the years.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 12 August 2013, 09:49:34 AM
Carragher epitomised what's wrong with British football. Talentless, "phwoaar get stuck in", slow clogger.

Especially when he helped Liverpool to three European finals.

Never been a big fan of Carragher and was pretty awful post 31, but the above is absolutely ridiculous. Epitome of what's wrong with British football? Shut up. :lol:

This. John Terry was better though. At one point he was a brilliant leader.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fenham Mag on Tuesday 13 August 2013, 08:59:03 PM
I always like to see Scotland and Wales do well, Scotland in particular.

Couldn't give 2 f***s for NI though and even less for ROI.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Saturday 17 August 2013, 12:46:45 PM
I quite like You'll Never Walk Alone being sang at the start of the match at Liverpool (and Celtic I guess)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 19 August 2013, 06:05:24 AM
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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:33:51 AM
I quite like You'll Never Walk Alone being sang at the start of the match at Liverpool (and Celtic I guess)

Me too, always nice to have something that strongly identifies a club.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:28:27 AM
I quite like You'll Never Walk Alone being sang at the start of the match at Liverpool (and Celtic I guess)
I quite like You'll Never Walk Alone being sang at the start of the match at Liverpool (and Celtic I guess)

Me too, always nice to have something that strongly identifies a club.

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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:32:29 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pixelphish on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:33:11 AM
I think we'll get a point this evening.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fugazi on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:35:41 AM
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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pixelphish on Monday 19 August 2013, 10:40:01 AM
wtf :lol::lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 19 August 2013, 12:33:56 PM
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:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Haris Vuckic on Monday 19 August 2013, 01:09:58 PM
Awesome :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Andymc1 on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:47:22 PM
I think the Premier League is as weak now as it ever has been.

I dont think Debuchy will cut it (from the early evidence).

I think Sissoko has zero technical ability and is the kind of footballer I hate to watch.

Bumpety bump bump RE: Debuchy. Hopeless.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 19 August 2013, 09:48:48 PM
You are bang on with every statement from what i've seen.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Andymc1 on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:01:50 PM
You are bang on with every statement from what i've seen.

I'll not stick up for Debuchy or Sissoko for a long time. They're both average players and this isn't a knee jerk reaction.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:04:25 PM
I like Sissoko but he needs more creative players around him and less of an creative role.

Both he and Tiote get on the ball far too much because we have no creative players at all.

I could deal with just Sissoko as long as he has passers around him but him and Tiote with no passers is just disgusting to watch.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Shearergol on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:05:06 PM
I think the Premier League is as weak now as it ever has been.

I dont think Debuchy will cut it (from the early evidence).

I think Sissoko has zero technical ability and is the kind of footballer I hate to watch.

Bumpety bump bump RE: Debuchy. Hopeless.

Congrats.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:08:45 PM
Cisse is s*** (currently).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:10:21 PM
Cisse is s*** (currently).

He needs service, he got it when he arrived and grew in confidence.

Get back to that or bench him, because he's offering nothing to the team at the moment.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:11:54 PM
Cisse is s*** (currently).

He needs service, he got it when he arrived and grew in confidence.

Get back to that or bench him, because he's offering nothing to the team at the moment.
there was plenty of times last season when he got good service and missed chances which he should be scoring and outside the box he is pointless
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:12:52 PM
Cisse is s*** (currently).

He needs service, he got it when he arrived and grew in confidence.

Get back to that or bench him, because he's offering nothing to the team at the moment.



He cant control the f***ing thing, service or no service. He looks like a park player at the moment. I want the old Pappy back :(
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:14:12 PM
Cisse is s*** (currently).

He needs service, he got it when he arrived and grew in confidence.

Get back to that or bench him, because he's offering nothing to the team at the moment.



He cant control the f***ing thing, service or no service. He looks like a park player at the moment. I want the old Pappy back :(

Have to agree, honestly if this s*** continues as soon as Remy is back i'd drop him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Andymc1 on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:20:50 PM
I think the Premier League is as weak now as it ever has been.

I dont think Debuchy will cut it (from the early evidence).

I think Sissoko has zero technical ability and is the kind of footballer I hate to watch.

Bumpety bump bump RE: Debuchy. Hopeless.

Congrats.

I'm not happy about it, the bloke has talent. But he's along way from showing it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Belfast Mags on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:21:30 PM
Remy will be injured more than he plays this season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 19 August 2013, 11:29:58 PM
I like Sissoko but he needs more creative players around him and less of an creative role.

Both he and Tiote get on the ball far too much because we have no creative players at all.

I could deal with just Sissoko as long as he has passers around him but him and Tiote with no passers is just disgusting to watch.
Yep. Neither where terrible individually compared to the others but yeah.. painful stuff at times. Technically, Sissoko's no better than Tiote.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: VanBarduck on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:02:30 AM
I'm about to drop a bomb here.

Black footballer with natural, elegant technique, great vision and football intelligence are a rare commodity.
That has nothing to do with race or any of this genes bullshit you may heard in athletics. It's more of a cultural thing, and we also have to blame our football educator who marginalize, reduce, stigmatize them to big number 6 in front of the defence or big strong winger/striker.

Such mentality doesn't exist in Spain or Holland, that's why they were able to produce or improve players like Eto'o, Yaya Touré, Makélélé,Seedorf Rijkaard, E.Davids,Gullit etc..

Look what Obi Mikel, Essien have become...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:08:09 AM
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Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: VanBarduck on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:09:55 AM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Belfast Mags on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:10:23 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:42:07 AM
The Graham Carr experiment has failed; and most the players he has scouted for us have failed to live up to their hype, bill and own potential. Blame: themselves and the s*** manager who has not set them up for success.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:50:58 AM
I'm about to drop a bomb here.

Black footballer with natural, elegant technique, great vision and football intelligence are a rare commodity.
That has nothing to do with race or any of this genes bullshit you may heard in athletics. It's more of a cultural thing, and we also have to blame our football educator who marginalize, reduce, stigmatize them to big number 6 in front of the defence or big strong winger/striker.

Such mentality doesn't exist in Spain or Holland, that's why they were able to produce or improve players like Eto'o, Yaya Touré, Makélélé,Seedorf Rijkaard, E.Davids,Gullit etc..

Look what Obi Mikel, Essien have become...


Without touching the other statements in your post, Makelele was 25 when he moved to Spain and Yaya 24. Yaya started to score when he moved to England. And I find it hard to praise Real Madrid and Mallorca for not making Eto'o a defensive midfielder.

I find your research and arguments possibly a bit lacking.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 12:58:56 AM
The Graham Carr experiment has failed; and most the players he has scouted for us have failed to live up to their hype, bill and own potential. Blame: themselves and the s*** manager who has not set them up for success.

Wouldn't say it has failed but it definitely is very very flawed and limited approach to recruitment.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:09:30 AM
Carr has found quality players but we've gone too far with it. Should've been done in moderation, mixed in with some domestic buys.

This stands out even more because of the unnecessary off-pitch disasters and Ashley vs Pardew tug of war. :(
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:11:33 AM
Carr has found quality players but we've gone too far with it. Should've been done in moderation, mixed in with some domestic buys.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:13:01 AM
Carr has found quality players but we've gone too far with it. Should've been done in moderation, mixed in with some domestic buys.

Spot-on.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Belfast Mags on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:13:17 AM
Most of the players we've bought have been descent, we're just turning them into worse players.

That is all
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:13:46 AM
The problem is the team is unbalanced.

The midfield is gash, don't care what anyone says. Little to no creativity, no width, a striker who looks like wind could knock him over and many more problems.

Doesn't help when half of our so called better players are not performing.

For example Tiote, Jonas, Taylor and Cisse have been crap for ages and Debuchy has been poor also although he could improve with time.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:14:04 AM
Carr has found quality players but we've gone too far with it. Should've been done in moderation, mixed in with some domestic buys.

This stands out even more because of the unnecessary off-pitch disasters and Ashley vs Pardew tug of war. :(

Much better than what I said, and I agree with that. Spot on really.

My calling it a failed experiment is that we turned it into our only buying policy and that has failed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ElDiablo on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:15:24 AM
We desperately need some British players.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:16:01 AM
Carr has found quality players but we've gone too far with it. Should've been done in moderation, mixed in with some domestic buys.

This stands out even more because of the unnecessary off-pitch disasters and Ashley vs Pardew tug of war. :(

Much better than what I said, and I agree with that. Spot on really.

My calling it a failed experiment is that we turned it into our only buying policy and that has failed.

The problem with it is that we won't buy most of his recommendations as well.  Got to wonder who we'd be buying if we were spending i.e. like Southampton.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:16:51 AM
It doesn't even have to be domestic buys necessarily, but we desperately need to look anywhere but France. We've invested 100% of our scouting energy there solely because those players can be had for dirt cheap and have potential re-sale value.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:18:35 AM
I also think that Carr's somewhat failed in determining how suitable these players are for a different tempo and physical intensity of football. It's pretty bloody easy to spot who's good within their comfort zone and contractually vulnerable.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:21:27 AM
I also think that Carr's somewhat failed in determining how suitable these players are for a different tempo and physical intensity of football. It's pretty bloody easy to spot who's good within their comfort zone and contractually vulnerable.

Do agree, this squad has been very poorly built. Pardew is a problem obviously but the squad is so unbalanced and lacking in major key areas.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:22:16 AM
the club got caught up in its own cleverness over the unprecedented actions of actually researching signings and went way overboard with the french thing, now correct me if I'm wrong but the actually good window 2 years ago the only successful signing from France was Cabaye (Ba came from Germany via West Ham) and iirc the only other direct from france that season was Marveaux which has not been a success. Since then has any of our direct from France signings been a success?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:26:33 AM
the club got caught up in its own cleverness over the unprecedented actions of actually researching signings and went way overboard with the french thing, now correct me if I'm wrong but the actually good window 2 years ago the only successful signing from France was Cabaye (Ba came from Germany via West Ham) and iirc the only other direct from france that season was Marveaux which has not been a success. Since then has any of our direct from France signings been a success?
TWT





(time will tell)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:34:41 AM
Slowly leaning towards the Carr policy being too much, too soon. In all honesty though, what the f*** is Pardew there for then? He could've stepped in any time and recruited players with PL experience.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:37:12 AM
Slowly leaning towards the Carr policy being too much, too soon. In all honesty though, what the f*** is Pardew there for then? He could've stepped in any time and recruited players with PL experience.
the only guy who listened to Pardew was Llambias and he left in disgust over JFK's appointment, what makes you think Ashley will listen to Pardew in any capacity atm when he get either not sign anyone or buy some french nobody on the cheap
Pardew has been banging the PL experience drum and he's damn right but the fools in charge are refusing to admit they've f***ed up badly
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:41:30 AM
the club got caught up in its own cleverness over the unprecedented actions of actually researching signings and went way overboard with the french thing, now correct me if I'm wrong but the actually good window 2 years ago the only successful signing from France was Cabaye (Ba came from Germany via West Ham) and iirc the only other direct from france that season was Marveaux which has not been a success. Since then has any of our direct from France signings been a success?

Still too early to tell really. I think Mapou in particular has potential to be an excellent CB.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:47:30 AM
the club got caught up in its own cleverness over the unprecedented actions of actually researching signings and went way overboard with the french thing, now correct me if I'm wrong but the actually good window 2 years ago the only successful signing from France was Cabaye (Ba came from Germany via West Ham) and iirc the only other direct from france that season was Marveaux which has not been a success. Since then has any of our direct from France signings been a success?

Still too early to tell really. I think Mapou in particular has potential to be an excellent CB.
possibly but it still looks like he can be easily bullied by the more powerful strikers. The others though? Sissoko when did he last appear at all? Debuchy has shown nothing but being Babayaro mk2 times 100 and Gouffran has this tendency to vanish from match's. (not including Haidara as he's a kid and it would be harsh to judge him) 3 of those guys are French internationals ffs they should be better than what they've shown and show some leadership show a little fight not the abject surrenders the moment something slightly goes wrong we've been getting.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 01:53:10 AM
I'm still of the opinion that Sissoko is a good player who's been chronically mismanaged since joining the club. He's a box-to-box central midfielder who can make those link-up runs and crash the box from time to time. He's not a RM, LM, DM, or AM. Pardew seems to love to play him everywhere but his natural position.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 02:42:54 AM
Sissoko and Mapou have everything in them and about them to be top players - they just need to be played with the right premiership experience around them, and a better manager to help adapt and develop them to this league.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 03:45:10 AM
I'm still of the opinion that Sissoko is a good player who's been chronically mismanaged since joining the club. He's a box-to-box central midfielder who can make those link-up runs and crash the box from time to time. He's not a RM, LM, DM, or AM. Pardew seems to love to play him everywhere but his natural position.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 09:40:51 AM
I'm about to drop a bomb here.

Black footballer with natural, elegant technique, great vision and football intelligence are a rare commodity.
That has nothing to do with race or any of this genes bullshit you may heard in athletics. It's more of a cultural thing, and we also have to blame our football educator who marginalize, reduce, stigmatize them to big number 6 in front of the defence or big strong winger/striker.

Such mentality doesn't exist in Spain or Holland, that's why they were able to produce or improve players like Eto'o, Yaya Touré, Makélélé,Seedorf Rijkaard, E.Davids,Gullit etc..

Look what Obi Mikel, Essien have become...

What? Plenty have great technical ability. The only thing I agree with is players like Mikel & Essien have been forced to play as DM's a lot of their career due to a level of stigma. Both are great technically though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 09:42:53 AM
The problem is the team is unbalanced.

The midfield is gash, don't care what anyone says. Little to no creativity, no width, a striker who looks like wind could knock him over and many more problems.

Doesn't help when half of our so called better players are not performing.

For example Tiote, Jonas, Taylor and Cisse have been crap for ages and Debuchy has been poor also although he could improve with time.
Agreed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Barnes23 on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 04:19:35 PM
I'm still of the opinion that Sissoko is a good player who's been chronically mismanaged since joining the club. He's a box-to-box central midfielder who can make those link-up runs and crash the box from time to time. He's not a RM, LM, DM, or AM. Pardew seems to love to play him everywhere but his natural position.

They are all being chronically mismanaged. The only way in which the 'The Graham Carr experiment' has failed is that we didn't ask him to help us locate a manager in the summer.

This is probably now an unpopular opinion. :dontknow:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:14:40 PM
I guess I opened up a can of worms calling it "The Graham Carr Experiment" ... Great talent spotter and contact(s) man who's suggestions were not properly filtered by ensuring they'd fit together in a given system or team.  This is compounded with a poor manager who has no skill-set to build a team nor does he have that remit as manager of this club.  The talent that has eventually been signed have been watered down to region & contract issues that were then poorly managed/developed by Alan Pardew and the coaching staff.

I wonder...would be nice to see Graham Carr's FULL list of players - I'd imagine most of them were filtered out as too expensive from transfer fee & wage requests.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:29:52 PM
Think it's very harsh blaming Carr (not sure if that's what people are actually doing, mind), seeing as he's working on a f***ing laughable budget.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TheHoob on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 05:59:46 PM
Sissoko's quality still shone through at times yesterday, no doubt about it for me. He has all the qualities to make it as a very good footballer in this league, it's just down to how well he is managed but also how much work he puts in.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 06:29:07 PM
Think it's very harsh blaming Carr (not sure if that's what people are actually doing, mind), seeing as he's working on a f***ing laughable budget.

From what I can gather and hypothesize, he's doing the absolute best hes capable of in terms of operating the scouting within a very strict and confined criteria. His job as scout to research and find talent is top notch, I think the role of the manager has been minimized so much here that at other clubs - a manager would identify if the specific player can adapt and fit into this league and/or team - which is something I'm not sure Pardew has much say in OR has clearly failed and hasn't a clue how to identify that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: n4e on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 06:53:22 PM
I hate Pat Nevin.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 06:55:33 PM
(http://www.bidolito.co.uk/sites/default/files/imagecache/full/pat_nevins_box_of_tricks_0.jpg)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 20 August 2013, 08:00:16 PM
Sissoko's quality still shone through at times yesterday, no doubt about it for me. He has all the qualities to make it as a very good footballer in this league, it's just down to how well he is managed but also how much work he puts in.
His passing is s***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 09:01:34 PM
Ramsey> Wilshere
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cajun on Wednesday 21 August 2013, 09:03:07 PM
Ramsey> Wilshere

:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Colossus on Thursday 22 August 2013, 02:11:01 AM
Sissoko's quality still shone through at times yesterday, no doubt about it for me. He has all the qualities to make it as a very good footballer in this league, it's just down to how well he is managed but also how much work he puts in.
His passing is s***.

Played a lush one to assist Cisse in his first game away to Villa. Can't remember too many others off my head but I suppose he has it in his locker somewhere. Down near the back. Old jazz mags and pogs may be covering it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 22 August 2013, 02:14:10 AM
Ramsey> Wilshere

:lol:

I see someone had the balls to say which has been obvious for months now.

Well done lad but prepared for barrels of abuse.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 22 August 2013, 02:50:29 AM
Maybe because Wilshere is chronically injured, but at full health there's no way Ramsey is the better player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: thomas on Thursday 22 August 2013, 07:38:18 AM
Things are horrible and they're never, ever getting better.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 22 August 2013, 09:31:55 AM
Things are horrible and they're never, ever getting better.

That's not unpopular, it's the general consensus.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Friday 23 August 2013, 03:41:46 AM
I like Ian Holloway and I think the feeling of "oh, he might not be as funny as many people first thought" is completely overplayed.

He's an entertaining character, a decent manager and football is far better off with people like him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 25 August 2013, 01:56:11 PM
Buying Gourcuff and Ince ( just as an example) will do more for this team than any striker ever would.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:26:21 PM
Buying Gourcuff and Ince ( just as an example) will do more for this team than any striker ever would.
fyp
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:28:41 PM
Not sure why people are so against a creative midfielder.

We are clearly crying out for one, but no lets buy a striker with no service and expect things to magically change....

We could buy 10 strikers and nothing would change because the team has no width or creativity.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:30:20 PM
Not sure why people are so against a creative midfielder.

We are clearly crying out for one, but no lets buy a striker with no service and expect things to magically change....

We could buy 10 strikers and nothing would change because the team has no width or creativity.

Buy a creative striker who drops into spaces, a Beardsley type. Not sure who and where from mind. Two birds with one stone and all that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:32:48 PM
Not sure why people are so against a creative midfielder.

We are clearly crying out for one, but no lets buy a striker with no service and expect things to magically change....

We could buy 10 strikers and nothing would change because the team has no width or creativity.

Buy a creative striker who drops into spaces, a Beardsley type. Not sure who and where from mind. Two birds with one stone and all that.

That's not a bad idea either, problem is where could we get such a player on our budget? :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:33:17 PM
Not sure why people are so against a creative midfielder.

We are clearly crying out for one, but no lets buy a striker with no service and expect things to magically change....

We could buy 10 strikers and nothing would change because the team has no width or creativity.

Buy a creative striker who drops into spaces, a Beardsley type. Not sure who and where from mind. Two birds with one stone and all that.

That's not a bad idea either, problem is where could we get such a player on our budget? :lol:

Aye that does prove a bit of a problem :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Colo's Short and Curlies on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:36:00 PM
Surely Harem could play that role?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fenham Mag on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:37:12 PM
Surely Harem could play that role?

Procaly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:42:04 PM
Surely Harem could play that role?

Usually struggles to create space for himself and those around him from what i have seen.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:42:41 PM
Surely Harem could play that role?

I think so, Pardew has flirted with it, Just hasn't given a good enough go to see if it will work.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: bimpy474 on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:45:12 PM
Surely Harem could play that role?

Usually struggles to create space for himself and those around him from what i have seen.

Aye, he does seem to be better when he's coming in from wide, gets a bit crowded our starting inside. Not a bad thing to give a go though to see if he can make a go of it. You would have thought pre season was the time to try, instead of using the same tactics and formation we've used with so little success (4-2-3-1) last season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Sunday 25 August 2013, 02:48:45 PM
Surely Harem could play that role?

Procaly.

:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 02:43:35 PM
I don't rate Ramires very highly. He's a great athlete, but an average footballer, imo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jack Flash on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 02:50:20 PM
I don't rate Ramires very highly. He's a great athlete, but an average footballer, imo.

I said something similar last night. He doesn't do anything of note most games, just standing at the centre circle passing to the nearest player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Atticus on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 02:59:01 PM
I like Liverpool.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: BrettNUFC on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 03:02:01 PM
I like Liverpool.

 :serious:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 03:03:26 PM
I'm not sure that I believe in what it means to support your club any more. (I would class this as Bobby Robsons "What is a club in any case?" definition) 
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: BottledDog on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 03:34:57 PM
I'm not sure that I believe in what it means to support your club any more. (I would class this as Bobby Robsons "What is a club in any case?" definition)

Support is simple. Pay yer subs. Cheer on the team.

It's the emotional ties beyond that that are giving us a good kicking right now. I reckon those small moments of joy and pride will always make it worth it though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: icemanblue on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 03:36:16 PM
I'm not sure that I believe in what it means to support your club any more. (I would class this as Bobby Robsons "What is a club in any case?" definition)

Support is simple. Pay yer subs. Cheer on the team.

It's the emotional ties beyond that that are giving us a good kicking right now. I reckon those small moments of joy and pride will always make it worth it though.

:thup: It's what keeps dragging you back, year after year. It's what 'supporting' a team is all about.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 03:37:13 PM
I don't rate Ramires very highly. He's a great athlete, but an average footballer, imo.
I think he would be better as an impact sub coming on with his pace breaking from midfield.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 03:58:10 PM
HBA is overrated especially on here and constantly flatters to deceive. Marveaux as well. Both are completely wasted in any case under Pardew at NUFC, and should be actively trying to leave.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 04:04:12 PM
In your 3 man midfield (Barça aside) Ramires is the sort of up & down work horse you need alongside your deep lying and advanced playmaker IMO to make it work properly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 04:10:18 PM
In your 3 man midfield (Barça aside) Ramires is the sort of up & down work horse you need alongside your deep lying and advanced playmaker IMO to make it work properly.
Yep.

He's a real danger when Chelsea play counter-attacking football. Was brilliant when Chelsea won the CL (against Barca he scored and assisted superbly) and FA Cup.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 04:28:49 PM
HBA is overrated especially on here and constantly flatters to deceive. Marveaux as well. Both are completely wasted in any case under Pardew at NUFC, and should be actively trying to leave.

I agree tbh. I also suspect Ben Arfa just see's Newcastle as an easy place to spend his career. He's paid well, the fans like him, his position in the team is safe, the manager just wants to be his buddy, and if he gets injured he can f*** off to Paris or Tunisia.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 04:32:54 PM
I'm just gonna sound like a fanboy here but I really can't understand how people can say Ben Arfa's overrated, when they've seen some of the stuff he's done in the side.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 04:43:40 PM
I'm just gonna sound like a fanboy here but I really can't understand how people can say Ben Arfa's overrated, when they've seen some of the stuff he's done in the side.

I find him frustrating and too selfish sometimes. He's ridiculously talented but there is a reason he isn't at a top club and probably won't move to one in the future, it's the mental side of his game that is lacking.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 04:49:00 PM
Its a good time to mention it because Saturday was one of his poorest for us. However, he's still one of the best I've ever seen in our shirt.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 05:19:35 PM
I'm just gonna sound like a fanboy here but I really can't understand how people can say Ben Arfa's overrated, when they've seen some of the stuff he's done in the side.

He is massively talented. Very few players in the world have his skill.

But he also runs hot and cold. He may make two or three brilliant runs in a game, but he also disappears from the match for long stretches. Much of that is down to how poorly we play as a whole, but he needs to be far more consistent.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 05:22:18 PM
He's fat as fook. He doesn't look like an elite athlete at all. Compare him to Gareth Bale and its disgusting. I'm just talking physically.

He's over-rated aye.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 05:29:51 PM
He's fat as fook. He doesn't look like an elite athlete at all. Compare him to Gareth Bale and its disgusting. I'm just talking physically.

He's over-rated aye.

No, he's not.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 05:55:26 PM
HBA has a lot of similar skills to Messi but is less than 1% as effective. That's what is disappointing. He should be a much better player than he is. I don't think he takes this footballing lark very seriously and is wasting the talent he has and what's left of his career.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 05:58:27 PM
HBA has a lot of similar skills to Messi but is less than 1% as effective. That's what is disappointing. He should be a much better player than he is. I don't think he takes this footballing lark very seriously and is wasting the talent he has and what's left of his career.

 :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:01:45 PM
I think he meant than what he himself is.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:08:40 PM
Oh right my bad.

Anyway Hatem is a classic case of football being more than just talent, he plays like he's playing down the park with his mates.

The reason Messi is the best isn't talent; its tactical discipline, great mentally etc etc.

His talent doesn't even begin to scratch the surface why he's so good.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:34:32 PM
Gary Neville is not that good a pundit. He will never overly criticise players in the England squad. Last season De Gea made a mistake against Tottenham and Neville slaughtered him. Hart has made many more mistakes than De Gea did and Neville has never come close to giving Hart as much criticism as De Gea. Last night Ashley Cole clearly dived after nutmegging Jones and after Chamberlain pushed him for an answer he said he went over slightly easily.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:37:26 PM
Gary Neville is not that good a pundit. He will never overly criticise players in the England squad. Last season De Gea made a mistake against Tottenham and Neville slaughtered him. Hart has made many more mistakes than De Gea did and Neville has never come close to giving Hart as much criticism as De Gea. Last night Ashley Cole clearly dived after nutmegging Jones and after Chamberlain pushed him for an answer he said he went over slightly easily.

No other pundits do, they dont want upset their mates! 
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:38:55 PM
He's fat as fook. He doesn't look like an elite athlete at all. Compare him to Gareth Bale and its disgusting. I'm just talking physically.

He's over-rated aye.

:anguish:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Robbo on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:39:43 PM
He is on the England coaching staff to be fair to him, not exactly going to call Ashley Cole a massive cheating bellend
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:42:38 PM
He is on the England coaching staff to be fair to him, not exactly going to call Ashley Cole a massive cheating bellend
That's what I'm getting at. It's a conflict of interests.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 06:43:20 PM
He is on the England coaching staff to be fair to him, not exactly going to call Ashley Cole a massive cheating bellend
That's what I'm getting at. It's a conflict of interests.

Correct, still an alright pundit compared to the dross on the BBC. 
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 27 August 2013, 08:21:03 PM
He's much better in the studio than he is as a co-commentator. He's already made his point about the whole diving epidemic and refuses to call players cheats. It's definitely a conflict of interest, I agree. I still think he's an excellent pundit, by far the best on T.V and it's still refreshing.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Toondave on Thursday 12 September 2013, 03:09:06 PM
Di Canios alright
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: hithere on Thursday 12 September 2013, 03:17:33 PM
Di Canios alright

He is
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Thursday 12 September 2013, 04:39:12 PM
Di Canios alright

He is

As far as fascist madmen go I suppose.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 12 September 2013, 05:09:36 PM
Di Canios alright

He is

As far as fascist madmen go I suppose.

My fascist madmen power rankings for this week. Hitler is up two spots after a N-O PR campaign to credit him for all the amazing things he accomplished.

1. Hitler (+2)
2. Di Canio (-1)
3. Mussolini (-1)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Lotus on Thursday 12 September 2013, 05:11:12 PM
Di Canios alright

Loved him as footballer. Seems a bit over the top as a manager tbh.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 12 September 2013, 05:11:45 PM
He wasn't actually that good as a footballer iyam.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dinho lad on Thursday 12 September 2013, 07:30:42 PM
You like Di Canio, you like Sunderland.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dinho lad on Thursday 12 September 2013, 07:31:04 PM
He wasn't actually that good as a footballer iyam.

Agree.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 12 September 2013, 07:32:25 PM

Di Canios alright

He is

He's a fascist sympathising, ego centric, slightly mental, c*** of a bloke. f*** him and the team he manages
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 12 September 2013, 07:48:25 PM
Di Canios alright


(http://s15.postimg.org/xprlrppe3/memecenter_1378023075753_426jonas.gif)

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pata on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:26:40 PM
I don't get the love that Anita is receiving here right now. He's a tidy passer but almost all his passing is sideways/backwards. Jenas and Parker among others were hated for that here. His through balls and long balls are usually crap and he's yet to make a significant impact for us. These 7's he's getting would be 4s and 5s if he was Tiote.

 :hmm:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: palnese on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:29:21 PM
He's a bit like Carrick. Nowt flash, but very solid in possession and keeps his team ticking over.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: PineBarrens on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:43:46 PM
NUFC-Online heresy alert - I don't believe either Cisse or Debuchy are useless.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:44:27 PM
NUFC-Online heresy alert - I don't believe either Cisse or Debuchy are useless.
Based on what?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dave on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:45:12 PM
I don't think they're useless either, but neither is worthy of a place in the team at present. Unfortunately due to the utter c***s running the club there's very little choice.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:50:53 PM
I don't think they're useless either, but neither is worthy of a place in the team at present. Unfortunately due to the utter c***s running the club there's very little choice.

Spot on.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Barnes23 on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:51:02 PM
NUFC-Online heresy alert - I don't believe either Cisse or Debuchy are useless.

Neither do I. Cisse definitely has some problems at the moment which go beyond tactical questions, and probably doesn't warrant a place in the XI at the moment, but can be good for us (or someone else if we were to move him on) again.

I still think Debuchy can be a good player for us. Didn't cover himself in glory yesterday, but some of the criticism of his performance was over the top considering the team performance in general.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: PineBarrens on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:54:38 PM
NUFC-Online heresy alert - I don't believe either Cisse or Debuchy are useless.
Based on what?

That they're not s*** and are actually decent players who happen to be out of form. We know what Cisse can do and Debuchy is still settling in. People seem to forget Coloccini was s*** in his first season here, but impatience and overreaction seems to be de rigueur these days.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pata on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:56:13 PM
Both are good players but in shocking form right now and should be dropped for a while.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:57:48 PM
NUFC-Online heresy alert - I don't believe either Cisse or Debuchy are useless.
Based on what?

That they're not s*** and are actually decent players who happen to be out of form. We know what Cisse can do and Debuchy is still settling in. People seem to forget Coloccini was s*** in his first season here, but impatience and overreaction seems to be de rigueur these days.
They aren't s*** I agree but Debuchy had been out of form since he came and Cisse has been ineffective for ages
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: PineBarrens on Sunday 22 September 2013, 04:59:22 PM
Both are good players but in shocking form right now and should be dropped for a while.

That's fair enough, but as Dave posted there's little or no competition on the bench or squad due to inertia/tight-fistedness by our beloved leader and his drunk general.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: biggs on Wednesday 25 September 2013, 07:49:06 PM
relegation our only hope of Ashley fecking off
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: hithere on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:21:07 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:25:37 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up

He has a lot of work to do.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: hithere on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:27:15 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up

He has a lot of work to do.

True
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:28:26 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up

He has a lot of work to do.

True

Where do you think he needs to look at first?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:37:16 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up

You sound very sure about that. Ridiculously so, some might say, marra
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Oakie Doke on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:44:29 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up
Ordinarily people live and learn, but you, you just live. I'm not saying you're stupid, but I am thinking it.  Some drink from the fountain of knowledge but it looks like you just gargled.


(If he shows his face again after these put-downs he's a better man than me.)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:45:10 PM
Sunderland will need a fair few points in the bag before their last 6 games if they are to stay up.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Friday 11 October 2013, 01:56:01 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up
Ordinarily people live and learn, but you, you just live. I'm not saying you're stupid, but I am thinking it.  Some drink from the fountain of knowledge but it looks like you just gargled.


(If he shows his face again after these put-downs he's a better man than me.)
:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: hithere on Friday 11 October 2013, 02:19:05 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up
Ordinarily people live and learn, but you, you just live. I'm not saying you're stupid, but I am thinking it.  Some drink from the fountain of knowledge but it looks like you just gargled.


(If he shows his face again after these put-downs he's a better man than me.)

Still here. Realise it's a big ask though.

Just waiting for someone to post the Mackem boom/bust cycle thing now.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 11 October 2013, 06:44:50 PM
Gus Poyet will keep us up
Ordinarily people live and learn, but you, you just live. I'm not saying you're stupid, but I am thinking it.  Some drink from the fountain of knowledge but it looks like you just gargled.


(If he shows his face again after these put-downs he's a better man than me.)

Still here. Realise it's a big ask though.

Just waiting for someone to post the Mackem boom/bust cycle thing now.

I admire your optimism but he still has the appalling squad Musso put together . If he can get to January not too far from safety maybe Short will splash out but it is hard to be confident when you don't know whether Poyet has the qualies that a Premiership manager needs.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr Colossus on Friday 11 October 2013, 07:53:08 PM
You heard the man, post the boom/bust cycle again!

Honestly though I think it's a smart move for them to appoint him on a two-year contract. That way, after relegation this season, he can use his championship experience to get them promoted at the first time of asking, then after a poor start to the season they can sack him shortly before the derby again.

Cyclical.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 11 October 2013, 08:01:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NnxCqqv.png)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Tuesday 15 October 2013, 10:12:32 PM
really didn't care what happened to England tonight. after the european championships in austria/switzerland I found I enjoyed it more without the press/media BS over the England team.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Tuesday 15 October 2013, 10:49:20 PM
The fact that Debuchy plays really well for France shows what a good player he is. The fact that he is generally s*** playing for us says a lot more about the club than the player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 15 October 2013, 10:50:35 PM
Why isn't he their first choice then?

The lad's good going forward when he has time and space but he's a poor defender with no recovery pace. It's that simple.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Tuesday 15 October 2013, 10:51:23 PM
The fact that Debuchy plays really well for France shows what a good player he is. The fact that he is generally s*** playing for us says a lot more about the club than the player.
could mean he looks better when he gets forward more, when needed to defend more he doesn't look as good ?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pata on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 12:18:06 AM
Why isn't he their first choice then?

The lad's good going forward when he has time and space but he's a poor defender with no recovery pace. It's that simple.

Do you have to be first choice for your national team to be a good player?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 12:19:22 AM
Even for us, Debuchy has been far too criticised for the level of performance he's delivered IMO. He would get into many PL teams (he says without thinking of their RBs).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 12:37:48 AM
Even for us, Debuchy has been far too criticised for the level of performance he's delivered IMO. He would get into many PL teams (he says without thinking of their RBs).
I think what you mean to say is that he has put in a few extremely terrible and mentally weak performances that may cloud the opinion of him when he simply has average or solid matches. I would agree with this, but he has still been a poor signing thus far and played well below the standard you would expect.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 12:41:47 AM
Even for us, Debuchy has been far too criticised for the level of performance he's delivered IMO. He would get into many PL teams (he says without thinking of their RBs).
I think what you mean to say is that he has put in a few extremely terrible and mentally weak performances that may cloud the opinion of him when he simply has average or solid matches. I would agree with this, but he has still been a poor signing thus far and played well below the standard you would expect.

:thup: a fair assessment
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 01:56:57 AM
In defence of Debuchy he has playing with pretty much the worst defence in the league since he joined last January. Defensively we were terrible last season and so far this season only the mackems have conceded more than us. Can't be very good for his confidence.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 08:41:22 PM
In defence of Debuchy he has playing with pretty much the worst defence in the league since he joined last January. Defensively we were terrible last season and so far this season only the mackems have conceded more than us. Can't be very good for his confidence.

I like that your defence of Debuchy is to say that he's part of the worst defence in the league (although I get what you're saying, obviously).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 09:05:30 PM
The defence is the one area of the team where we've actually spent the going rate on players as well. (just under £30m on the first choice back four)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Toon on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 09:31:32 PM
It's either money not very well spent or the most useless coaching in modern history.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 09:35:27 PM
Why isn't he their first choice then?

The lad's good going forward when he has time and space but he's a poor defender with no recovery pace. It's that simple.

Do you have to be first choice for your national team to be a good player?

Who suggested that? But let's face it, he isn't a good player. He's a decent footballer who can't defend.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ben-nufc on Wednesday 16 October 2013, 09:51:07 PM
It's either money not very well spent or the most useless coaching in modern history.
65 international caps between them could suggest it's the latter?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Robbo on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 08:05:13 PM
I really like watching Jonjo Shelvey. Very graceful, despite being a horrid c***
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 08:42:38 PM
I really like watching Jonjo Shelvey. Very graceful, despite being a horrid c***

He's the dopiest looking f***er around. Runs like he's wearing clogs.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: maybe_next_year on Sunday 23 February 2014, 11:19:43 PM
I still like John Carver.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Thursday 19 June 2014, 07:37:01 PM
That spray bottle nonsense is an eyesore and not worth the ten seconds it saves per match.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 05:27:38 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Friday 20 June 2014, 05:30:16 PM
The "miracle spray" :lol:

Pretty sure it's just shaving foam.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Friday 20 June 2014, 05:45:06 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 05:50:31 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.

:lol: :lol:

I love the spray, me. :lol: Also, my girlfriend hates football but I've managed to get her interested in the spray, national anthems and good looking footballers to increase her tolerance and allow me to watch more football.  Next up - whose strip do you think is the nicest, pet?  Should give me another few days.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 20 June 2014, 05:54:04 PM
The spray is amazing.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 05:55:21 PM
It really is.  Give refs more gadgets/weapons/accessories.  Hover boards, pepper spray, etc.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:01:35 PM
It really is.  Give refs more gadgets/weapons/accessories.  Hover boards, pepper spray, etc.

Getting pepper sprayed is rank like. I'd be all for it. Dish it out when some mouthy c*** is telling them to f*** off repeatedly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: JS on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:21:58 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.

:lol: :lol:

I love the spray, me. :lol: Also, my girlfriend hates football but I've managed to get her interested in the spray, national anthems and good looking footballers to increase her tolerance and allow me to watch more football.  Next up - whose strip do you think is the nicest, pet?  Should give me another few days.

That's brilliant :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:25:11 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.

:lol: :lol:

I love the spray, me. :lol: Also, my girlfriend hates football but I've managed to get her interested in the spray, national anthems and good looking footballers to increase her tolerance and allow me to watch more football.  Next up - whose strip do you think is the nicest, pet?  Should give me another few days.

That's brilliant :lol:

:lol: I'm truly amazed how well it's going. 

Think she's getting in after 8 so will miss the national anthems, thankfully France have a nice strip and a few lookers which should keep the conversation flowing.  She said Neymar was fit the other day and I told her he looked like a disgusting rodent, which she soon concurred with after consulting Google Images.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:25:49 PM
The spray is great, it pisses me off players taking freekicks yards away from where a foul took place. I remember Drogba scoring a freekick against us, the foul was out wide, but he chose to take it from the corner of the box, it p*ssed me off badly.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:26:30 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.

:lol: :lol:

I love the spray, me. :lol: Also, my girlfriend hates football but I've managed to get her interested in the spray, national anthems and good looking footballers to increase her tolerance and allow me to watch more football.  Next up - whose strip do you think is the nicest, pet?  Should give me another few days.

That's brilliant :lol:

:lol: I'm truly amazed how well it's going. 

Think she's getting in after 8 so will miss the national anthems, thankfully France have a nice strip and a few lookers which should keep the conversation flowing.  She said Neymar was fit the other day and I told her he looked like a disgusting rodent, which she soon concurred with after consulting Google Images.

A lot of fancy haircuts and tattoo's on the French team.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:27:33 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.

:lol: :lol:

I love the spray, me. :lol: Also, my girlfriend hates football but I've managed to get her interested in the spray, national anthems and good looking footballers to increase her tolerance and allow me to watch more football.  Next up - whose strip do you think is the nicest, pet?  Should give me another few days.

That's brilliant :lol:

:lol: I'm truly amazed how well it's going. 

Think she's getting in after 8 so will miss the national anthems, thankfully France have a nice strip and a few lookers which should keep the conversation flowing.  She said Neymar was fit the other day and I told her he looked like a disgusting rodent, which she soon concurred with after consulting Google Images.

A lot of fancy haircuts and tattoo's on the French team.

:kurt:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:29:51 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.

...but they never do book them if they move too much. Players repeatedly encroached. The line works. It also means refs are more likely to pace the distance out, which I think they should always do anyway.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Spark on Friday 20 June 2014, 06:37:55 PM
Can't believe the spray is getting criticised like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LRD on Friday 20 June 2014, 07:25:39 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

I don't think it is an issue to being with, frankly. It is not as if the referee actually takes out his utensils or his laser and measures out exactly ten yards. It has always been the referee just arbitrarily lining the players up and watching that they don't move too much.  What will happen if the players are only 9.3 yards away from the ball? Will people die? No. Just line the players up and book them if they move too much. You don't need to leave your rubbish all about the pitch.

:lol: :lol:

I love the spray, me. :lol: Also, my girlfriend hates football but I've managed to get her interested in the spray, national anthems and good looking footballers to increase her tolerance and allow me to watch more football.  Next up - whose strip do you think is the nicest, pet?  Should give me another few days.

That's brilliant :lol:

:lol: I'm truly amazed how well it's going. 

Think she's getting in after 8 so will miss the national anthems, thankfully France have a nice strip and a few lookers which should keep the conversation flowing.  She said Neymar was fit the other day and I told her he looked like a disgusting rodent, which she soon concurred with after consulting Google Images.

A lot of fancy haircuts and tattoo's on the French team.

What's her opinion on Paletta's hair?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 07:28:17 PM
:lol: Not sure, hasn't came up as of yet.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 09:39:32 PM
:lol: It's effective though, isn't it?  Players would shuffle forward previously and can't do so now.

It did cross my mind though, have there been any goals directly from FKs yet?!
None.

There it is.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 20 June 2014, 10:42:34 PM
She f***ing loves "BRAZEEEEEEEEEEEEEL" as well. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Friday 20 June 2014, 11:15:04 PM
She f***ing loves "BRAZEEEEEEEEEEEEEL" as well. :lol:

Throw a retrospective curveball and introduce her to her MAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO AFREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKAAAAAA
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Saturday 21 June 2014, 04:45:45 PM
Neymar is adult Mowgli.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Tuesday 24 June 2014, 03:46:41 PM
She f***ing loves "BRAZEEEEEEEEEEEEEL" as well. :lol:

:lol: :lol: love it too!
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HawK on Tuesday 24 June 2014, 04:03:06 PM
England need to play to their strengths - athletic, hard working and devoid of creativity. Wingers who pop in crosses from the bylines, a defence that sits deep with full backs that never push on, and just leave the front 6 to counter as a unit every time. Carroll + Lambert up front, find a spot for Barkley. Kick 2 s***s out of every opposing team player. Get Vinnie in as an assistant coach. No-one can do this better than us.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TruToon94 on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 06:54:48 PM
Argentina are s***. Easier groups than Columbia had yet letting in tons of goals. Will be out at Quarters.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 06:56:50 PM
Argentina are s***. Easier groups than Columbia had yet letting in tons of goals. Will be out at Quarters.

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 06:59:59 PM
Argentina are s***. Easier groups than Columbia had yet letting in tons of goals. Will be out at Quarters.
s*** ffs :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 07:00:44 PM
Rare, even in this day and age of s*** posters, for someone to post so much constant hyperbolic drivel.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 07:01:57 PM
Argentina are s***. Easier groups than Columbia had yet letting in tons of goals. Will be out at Quarters.
:serious:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 07:02:38 PM
this kid was born in 1994, and is 20.

Not cool, time, not cool at all.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 07:03:12 PM
Don't try so hard, new guy.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 07:48:54 PM
Rare, even in this day and age of s*** posters, for someone to post so much constant hyperbolic drivel.

That has me giggling, the in this day and age bit. Oh how we yearn for the halcyon days eh Discotheque Desmond?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 08:01:32 PM
Rare, even in this day and age of s*** posters, for someone to post so much constant hyperbolic drivel.
:lol: was off to type exactly this, only less cutting.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 08:11:00 PM
Firstly even if they were s***, group performances mean absolutely f*ck all.

Plus their route to the Semi-finals are as weak as anyone's, they will get to the semi-finals at a bare minimum.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Wednesday 25 June 2014, 08:45:21 PM
Firstly even if they were s***, group performances mean absolutely f*ck all.

Plus their route to the Semi-finals are as weak as anyone's, they will get to the semi-finals at a bare minimum.
Belgium, US, Ghana, and Portugal would all be fairly difficult quarterfinal matches, tbf.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:42:35 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:49:28 AM
yep, total waste of time a belgian having that much talent
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Beren on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:50:20 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:53:21 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side.

:thup:

Wish he played for Belgium the same way he plays for Chelsea. With the national team he tends to stop the flow of the play constantly. De Bruyne runs the show there. Hazard has everything to be a top 3 player in the world, but sometimes it doesn't look like he's giving his all out there.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:53:35 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho.


Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:56:18 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho.


Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea.

Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:56:43 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side.

He's still got time but he's not as effective as Robben. Robbens averaging 2 in 3 for Bayern since he's joined.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:59:09 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side.

:thup:

Wish he played for Belgium the same way he plays for Chelsea. With the national team he tends to stop the flow of the play constantly. De Bruyne runs the show there. Hazard has everything to be a top 3 player in the world, but sometimes it doesn't look like he's giving his all out there.
He's never going to be a top 3 in the world player with Mourinho as manager IMO. He spends too much time in his own half and tracking back to get ridiculous amounts of goals and assists
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 10:59:18 AM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 11:01:27 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho.


Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea.

Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement.

There's no reason Chelsea shouldn't be able to beat one of those considering how they're performing in the league, their experience and signings over the last few years. The squad and team is exactly how their manager likes it.

1 trophy in 2 years would be poor from Mourinho.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 11:02:04 AM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.

He's way behind Neymar as it is. Robben.

Lucky to crack top 10.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 11:03:03 AM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

It's because he's clearly not a top 3 player in the world tbf. He's an excellent footballer but there's a case for him not being top three in the PL as well with Aguero, Yaya, Di Maria and Fabregas. Although going by Yaya's and Man U's season he could easily be seen within that top 3 as well.

He'd have trouble starting for both Barcelona and Bayern as well. IMO.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 11:04:02 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho.


Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea.

Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement.

There's no reason Chelsea shouldn't be able to beat one of those considering how they're performing in the league, their experience and signings over the last few years. The squad and team is exactly how their manager likes it.

1 trophy in 2 years would be poor from Mourinho.

Absolutely, I just don't think it's an underachievement. Still think they're the 4th best team in Europe so it (imo btw) wouldn't really be an underachievement to lose to one of the three teams which imo are better.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 11:04:56 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

He's never been regarded as that kind of player IMO - a trickster - he's more in the bracket of "supremely effective" - like Robben. Not the best on the eye, but very destructive in your side.

:thup:

Wish he played for Belgium the same way he plays for Chelsea. With the national team he tends to stop the flow of the play constantly. De Bruyne runs the show there. Hazard has everything to be a top 3 player in the world, but sometimes it doesn't look like he's giving his all out there.
He's never going to be a top 3 in the world player with Mourinho as manager IMO. He spends too much time in his own half and tracking back to get ridiculous amounts of goals and assists

He doesn't track back THAT much in non-important games yet he doesn't score a shitload either.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 11:06:52 AM
While I agree he is a phenomenal player, Eden Hazard doesn't do enough silly skill moves to really impress me.

Absolutely brilliant at winning fouls though. That's what is going to put him in that top bracket. Winning fouls. He needs to buck Mourinho.


Anything short of winning the league & reaching CL Final would be an underachievement for Chelsea.

Winning the league and going out to Bayern, Barcelona or Real Madrid in the semi's won't ever be seen as an underachievement.

There's no reason Chelsea shouldn't be able to beat one of those considering how they're performing in the league, their experience and signings over the last few years. The squad and team is exactly how their manager likes it.

1 trophy in 2 years would be poor from Mourinho.

Absolutely, I just don't think it's an underachievement. Still think they're the 4th best team in Europe so it (imo btw) wouldn't really be an underachievement to lose to one of the three teams which imo are better.

For managerial genius Mourinho it would be. Looking objectively maybe not. But then the ball-licking should stop.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 11:17:51 AM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.
Hazard has a pretty long way to go to be the third best in the world. Hazard is a long way behind Robben who I think is the third best in the world. IMO of course
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 12:20:53 PM
None of them are a patch on Neuer. Play him up front he'd do 7 tricycle kicks a game.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 12:30:57 PM
Can't help thinking that must involve his penis.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 12:37:01 PM
Keegan's a quitter and Bobby was a coward and a mercenary.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ATB on Wednesday 18 February 2015, 12:40:26 PM
Ashley is my God and Carver my lord
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:10:06 AM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.

Absolutely no way he's behind Bale like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:25:32 AM
Neymar has been better than all those names mentioned this season. (well except Messi and Ronaldo obviously)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:28:13 AM
Neymar has been better than all those names mentioned this season. (well except Messi and Ronaldo obviously)
Neymar has been outstanding tbf. I just want to wait until later stages of CL to see if he can keep up his form against that quality opposition
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 19 February 2015, 01:32:28 AM
I'm not concerned about that tbh, he's been a big game player the whole time he's been at Barca and usually for the national team too.

Plus he's already scored against both Madrid teams this season and what else is there?  Bayern and Chelsea probably, so yeah I believe he'll perform in those games.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Leek on Thursday 19 February 2015, 04:29:37 AM
I think if Hazard was at Bayern he'd transform to the next step and he'd be in the top 5 no question, can't really see that happening for him anywhere else for  a while yet though. Other than Bayern I think Chelsea are the next best team for him in terms of showing his skill, getting a share of media/public attention and to win trophies at.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Thursday 19 February 2015, 07:15:33 AM
I think if Hazard was at Bayern he'd transform to the next step and he'd be in the top 5 no question, can't really see that happening for him anywhere else for  a while yet though. Other than Bayern I think Chelsea are the next best team for him in terms of showing his skill, getting a share of media/public attention and to win trophies at.

Would he get to play as much and be the top dog like he is for big parts at Chelsea? I mean Robben, Ribery and Muller are all better players IMO. I just don't think Hazard is THAT good, because I've seen him disappear more times than the others do. He's an excellent player and might one day be a top 3 player, but for me he's not a top 10 at the moment.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cronky on Thursday 19 February 2015, 07:27:57 AM
Keegan's a quitter and Bobby was a coward and a mercenary.

FYP
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: DebuchyAndTheBeast on Thursday 19 February 2015, 07:58:43 AM
He's definitely in the top 10. His overall stats put him amongst the best in the league and if he had a free role like at Lille he would be getting more goals and assists to show for his form this season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:19:54 AM
Keegan's a quitter and Bobby was a coward and a mercenary.

FYP

Why are you still posting Alan?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:21:26 AM
He's definitely in the top 10. His overall stats put him amongst the best in the league and if he had a free role like at Lille he would be getting more goals and assists to show for his form this season.

Enlighten me how he's definitely in the top 10.

Neuer, Fabregas, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Zlatan, Cristiano are all in my opinion better players. So not sure I agree he's definitely in the top 10. I understand there is a case to put him above some players, but we can't go on what he would be in another role. Because for Belgium he has more of a free role on the left where he doesn't really need to track back and he's outshone by De Bruyne most of the times who both tracks back and does more offensively.

I like Hazard and think he's an absolute fantastic player, but IMO he's not a top 10 in the world. Even forgot Di Maria and Kroos in that list.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 19 February 2015, 10:19:39 AM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.

Absolutely no way he's behind Bale like.

In what way is he better? Even this season where Bale has come in for some criticism, he's still the more effective player.

He's definitely in the top 10. His overall stats put him amongst the best in the league and if he had a free role like at Lille he would be getting more goals and assists to show for his form this season.

Enlighten me how he's definitely in the top 10.

Neuer, Fabregas, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Zlatan, Cristiano are all in my opinion better players. So not sure I agree he's definitely in the top 10. I understand there is a case to put him above some players, but we can't go on what he would be in another role. Because for Belgium he has more of a free role on the left where he doesn't really need to track back and he's outshone by De Bruyne most of the times who both tracks back and does more offensively.

I like Hazard and think he's an absolute fantastic player, but IMO he's not a top 10 in the world. Even forgot Di Maria and Kroos in that list.
He's done nothing to suggest he's better than Bale. Likewise Reus. Alexis Sanchez scored more goals last season, was better in the WC and is doing better in the league too. And these are just players who play similar roles. As a player I rate Modric higher.

There's always a player who essentially proves himself in the PL and we rush to anoint them #3. It happened when Rooney had that season. Bale a couple years back. Last year with Suarez. It was beginning to happen with Aguero before his injury. They would do it with Sanchez but he's already been at a higher level.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:18:44 AM
Forgot all about Sanchez. Reus has been underwhelming after coming back from his injury.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:44:03 AM
Not really evaluating Reus till he leaves Dortmund, considering he can't seem to stay on the pitch there :lol:

He quietly had a 20 and 20 season last year though, his quality is under no doubt.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mistle17 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 12:15:39 PM
Anita is a very good player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Thursday 19 February 2015, 12:24:10 PM
Reus was silly last season. Absolutely magic.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: DebuchyAndTheBeast on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:21:35 PM
He's definitely in the top 10. His overall stats put him amongst the best in the league and if he had a free role like at Lille he would be getting more goals and assists to show for his form this season.

Enlighten me how he's definitely in the top 10.

Neuer, Fabregas, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Zlatan, Cristiano are all in my opinion better players. So not sure I agree he's definitely in the top 10. I understand there is a case to put him above some players, but we can't go on what he would be in another role. Because for Belgium he has more of a free role on the left where he doesn't really need to track back and he's outshone by De Bruyne most of the times who both tracks back and does more offensively.

I like Hazard and think he's an absolute fantastic player, but IMO he's not a top 10 in the world. Even forgot Di Maria and Kroos in that list.

 I'll repeat it again if you're going to consider him as a striker then he'll definitely not figure in a top 10. However if I consider him as a conventional winger then yes he has been really good. Also I'm talking for only this season so forget the WC etc...
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:24:26 PM
He's definitely in the top 10. His overall stats put him amongst the best in the league and if he had a free role like at Lille he would be getting more goals and assists to show for his form this season.

Enlighten me how he's definitely in the top 10.

Neuer, Fabregas, Ribery, Robben, Muller, Neymar, Messi, Suarez, Aguero, Zlatan, Cristiano are all in my opinion better players. So not sure I agree he's definitely in the top 10. I understand there is a case to put him above some players, but we can't go on what he would be in another role. Because for Belgium he has more of a free role on the left where he doesn't really need to track back and he's outshone by De Bruyne most of the times who both tracks back and does more offensively.

I like Hazard and think he's an absolute fantastic player, but IMO he's not a top 10 in the world. Even forgot Di Maria and Kroos in that list.

 I'll repeat it again if you're going to consider him as a striker then he'll definitely not figure in a top 10. However if I consider him as a conventional winger then yes he has been really good. Also I'm talking for only this season so forget the WC etc...

I don't consider him a striker, where have I said that? Even on this season purely I don't see him as a top 10 player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Wisdom Body on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:47:00 PM
-Don't mind vuvuzelas.
-Love any goal celebration that involves dancing.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Parsley on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:48:59 PM
Not sure about Fabregas being better than Hazard like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:51:11 PM
Jordan Henderson is hella over-rated.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Thursday 19 February 2015, 08:52:13 PM
Not sure about Fabregas being better than Hazard like.

Fair enough, another 10 players are still better than Hazard.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Thursday 19 February 2015, 10:55:20 PM
Jordan Henderson is hella over-rated.
Goes missing more than any other player I can remember. Lost track of the amount of times that he  pops up after 35 minutes and does something and I go "oh yeah, Henderson plays tonight".
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Thursday 19 February 2015, 10:58:27 PM
-Don't mind vuvuzelas.
-Love any goal celebration that involves dancing.

You are the worst type of person
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Thursday 19 February 2015, 11:29:20 PM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.

Absolutely no way he's behind Bale like.

In what way is he better? Even this season where Bale has come in for some criticism, he's still the more effective player.

In the way that he's been substantially more effective for Chelsea than Bale has been for Real in the past 18 months.

Also the way he has produced better performances.

Not to say the fact he has looked like more of a match-winner.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kimbo on Friday 20 February 2015, 12:09:46 AM
Bale has been pretty effective, 36 goals, lots of assists, and the winning goals in copa del rey and CL finals. I think he's awesome.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 20 February 2015, 10:47:06 AM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.

Absolutely no way he's behind Bale like.

In what way is he better? Even this season where Bale has come in for some criticism, he's still the more effective player.

In the way that he's been substantially more effective for Chelsea than Bale has been for Real in the past 18 months.

Also the way he has produced better performances.

Not to say the fact he has looked like more of a match-winner.
That's not true though is it. Hazard has 31 goals & 14 assists in 85 games from the beginning of last season. Bale has 36 goals & 22 assists in 77. Less games, more goals and assists. He also doesn't take the majority of penalties for his team either. Clearly Bale has been more effective, let alone "substantially" less effective - which is a ludicrous statement.

The match-winner stuff is crazy too when Bale scored crucial goals in  helping Real win trophies. the Barca goal in particular was brilliant. Real stuffed a fair few teams in the CL last season but Bale was simply magnificent throughout.

Bale has been a 1 in 2 scorer for the past 3 seasons. Hazard is still 1 in 3. Takes all Chelsea's penalties and has scored maybe 2 league goals away all season.

To say Hazard is better and more effective than Bale is just not true. Hazard is yet to top Bale's last Spurs season let alone the big game match winners of last season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 20 February 2015, 10:51:19 AM
Gareth Bale is possibly the best British player of the last 20 years. He's a fairly injury prone lad but if he can keep it up at Madrid and collect a few more trophies he could be well up there.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 11:01:27 AM
Gareth Bale is possibly the best British player of the last 20 years. He's a fairly injury prone lad but if he can keep it up at Madrid and collect a few more trophies he could be well up there.

Lolz.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 11:06:50 AM
Also there's more to effectiveness than just goals and assists. Otherwise Zidane and Iniesta were never effective.

Hazard is more gifted than Bale, that is quite clear. He does multiple things which impact a game which makes those around him better and makes him more dangerous.

You don't see teams triple team Bale like PSG did Hazard, he still has to prove it on the biggest stage but he clearly has all the tools required to be much better.

This debate reminds me of the Neymar and Bale debate from a couple of years ago, I always believed in Neymar's superior ability and eventually I believe Hazard will clearly be considered the better player.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sixx on Friday 20 February 2015, 11:09:24 AM
Love watching Gareth Bale as well.
Don't like goal line technology.
Never really understood why there aren't more players at the top level who can take an absolutely giant throw in. Not that difficult trait to train up but can be a really effective asset for any team. Of course watching Stoke under Pulis was pure aids where their game plan was only throw ins but still. Every team should have at least one player who can launch a gigantic throw in.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Friday 20 February 2015, 11:16:34 AM
Also there's more to effectiveness than just goals and assists. Otherwise Zidane and Iniesta were never effective.

:thup: watching a player loads and forming an opinion based on that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stats bores. Doesn't show a true reflection in football like it does other lesser sports.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Friday 20 February 2015, 12:34:55 PM
Hazard is one of the best in the world, for sure. In a way, I sometimes think he's underrated - when naming #3 after Messi/Ronaldo he never gets mentioned.

I'd still probably put Aguero, Suarez or Bale there, but Hazard's in the mix.

Absolutely no way he's behind Bale like.

In what way is he better? Even this season where Bale has come in for some criticism, he's still the more effective player.

In the way that he's been substantially more effective for Chelsea than Bale has been for Real in the past 18 months.

Also the way he has produced better performances.

Not to say the fact he has looked like more of a match-winner.
That's not true though is it. Hazard has 31 goals & 14 assists in 85 games from the beginning of last season. Bale has 36 goals & 22 assists in 77. Less games, more goals and assists. He also doesn't take the majority of penalties for his team either. Clearly Bale has been more effective, let alone "substantially" less effective - which is a ludicrous statement.

The match-winner stuff is crazy too when Bale scored crucial goals in  helping Real win trophies. the Barca goal in particular was brilliant. Real stuffed a fair few teams in the CL last season but Bale was simply magnificent throughout.

Bale has been a 1 in 2 scorer for the past 3 seasons. Hazard is still 1 in 3. Takes all Chelsea's penalties and has scored maybe 2 league goals away all season.

To say Hazard is better and more effective than Bale is just not true. Hazard is yet to top Bale's last Spurs season let alone the big game match winners of last season.

:lol: :lol:

Well then. Crouch for England.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Neil on Friday 20 February 2015, 12:38:11 PM
Also there's more to effectiveness than just goals and assists. Otherwise Zidane and Iniesta were never effective.

:thup: watching a player loads and forming an opinion based on that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stats bores. Doesn't show a true reflection in football like it does other lesser sports.

Precisely. Bale has been ineffective in countless games for Real while Hazard rarely goes a game without creating a clear chance or getting the opposition on the back foot thus altering the dynamic of the game. He's a more consistent player in my book.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Friday 20 February 2015, 12:38:11 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Jayson on Friday 20 February 2015, 01:14:12 PM
Also there's more to effectiveness than just goals and assists. Otherwise Zidane and Iniesta were never effective.

:thup: watching a player loads and forming an opinion based on that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>stats bores. Doesn't show a true reflection in football like it does other lesser sports.

Precisely. Bale has been ineffective in countless games for Real while Hazard rarely goes a game without creating a clear chance or getting the opposition on the back foot thus altering the dynamic of the game. He's a more consistent player in my book.

Right but you're then ignoring the context of the sides theyre playing in. Real Madrid have more to share the load.

The season Bale left spurs, he was winning games for them single handedly from 35 yards for fun. Last minute winners. Hazard is a great player, but hes not been close to that. Nor does he do more off the ball to suggest that assists/goals arent very relevant here. Dont really see how people can claim hes better & Id be interested to see the attributes he has over Bale, i cant see that many.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 20 February 2015, 01:27:54 PM
Also there's more to effectiveness than just goals and assists. Otherwise Zidane and Iniesta were never effective.

Hazard is more gifted than Bale, that is quite clear. He does multiple things which impact a game which makes those around him better and makes him more dangerous.

You don't see teams triple team Bale like PSG did Hazard, he still has to prove it on the biggest stage but he clearly has all the tools required to be much better.

This debate reminds me of the Neymar and Bale debate from a couple of years ago, I always believed in Neymar's superior ability and eventually I believe Hazard will clearly be considered the better player.

Zidane & Iniesta are playmakers - that's a different kettle. Hazard is basically an inside forward as is Bale. Neither control the tempo of a game or make opposition attackers ineffective. Hazard draws more fouls, that's about it.

Hazard is more gifted? How? He's a better dribbler and has more tricks. Bale is more physically gifted and has more tools in his attacking arsenal. He's a threat in the air and uses his weaker foot more. Scores more goals from distance.

The point about tripling up is swings and roundabouts. Hazard benefits just as much as he suffers from being Chelsea's main man. Bale's playing at a bigger club, with more pressure and has to cede the limelight. As the main man at Spurs Bale won multiple matches by himself. Left foot, right foot, tap-ins, from range. 22 league goals, no penalties. I've never seen Hazard reach that level of dominance. Hazard has never been as decisive as Bale was in big matches lasts season.

The statistics for Bale are important because he also does it at the very highest level. If Crouch scored against top opposition for England you wouldn't use that as a comparison although it's silly enough as it is.

Hazard's also scored a vast majority of his goals & assists at home in games Chelsea would win anyway.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Friday 20 February 2015, 02:50:47 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

Suarez. ;)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The Prophet on Friday 20 February 2015, 02:55:41 PM
It's all irrelevant, Reus and Greizmann are better players than both in my opinion. That's not to say Hazard and Bale aren't class mind.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Friday 20 February 2015, 02:59:05 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

From recent times - Drogba would be up there. 09-10 was probably the only season where he went mental for goals.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:02:27 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

From recent times - Drogba would be up there. 09-10 was probably the only season where he went mental for goals.

Any target player that can link up play basically. Benzema is another one. Doesn't score a ridiculous amounts of goals, but despite not being a targetman in the traditional sense is a f***ing fantastic link-up player. Back in the days I always thought Fernando Morientes was the s***. Guy was so technically intelligent.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:03:08 PM
NVM Benzema has scored far more than I thought :lol: Guess Ronaldo overshadows that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:07:25 PM
How the hell is Hazard a forward, he's a midfielder a playmaker just like Ribery is. In fact that's who he reminds me of the most although he has potential to be better.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:11:40 PM
NVM Benzema has scored far more than I thought :lol: Guess Ronaldo overshadows that.

He's going to be top 10 CL scorer all time soon, doesn't get enough credit IMO.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:15:15 PM
NVM Benzema has scored far more than I thought :lol: Guess Ronaldo overshadows that.

He's going to be top 10 CL scorer all time soon, doesn't get enough credit IMO.

At least not from me in terms of scoring apparently :lol: Always seen him as a very very good footballer on his day, but never actually realized he scores this much :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:19:05 PM
CRonaldo owes a lot of his success at Real to Benzema. Excellent footballer.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:25:52 PM
CRonaldo owes a lot of his success at Real to Benzema. Excellent footballer.

That's true to a point and vice versa quite frankly. Ronaldo and Bale both need to be fed to a certain extent and Benzema is fantastic are creating chances for them.

It's why Higuain was moved out, because he simply cannot create for those around him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:29:49 PM
CRonaldo owes a lot of his success at Real to Benzema. Excellent footballer.

That's true to a point and vice versa quite frankly. Ronaldo and Bale both need to be fed to a certain extent and Benzema is fantastic are creating chances for them.

It's why Higuain was moved out, because he simply cannot create for those around him.

No doubt, but CRonaldo's the one who routinely gets the plaudits (for good reason, obviously). It's a two-way street that's often not given enough respect, imo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:41:09 PM
That's the way it is. Robben gets most of the credit for Bayern, Messi for Barca and so on. Is it right ? Probably not but that's never going to change.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:45:27 PM
No way is Hazard a playmaker.

Benzema's been class.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:48:02 PM
That's the way it is. Robben gets most of the credit for Bayern, Messi for Barca and so on. Is it right ? Probably not but that's never going to change.

:lol: aye thanks for that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:51:00 PM
Who isn't getting the shine they deserve?

Pretty much all the other players in those teams are World Cup winners.

Benzema's a top player but obviously Cronaldo is the man. BUt it's a team sport and they need each other.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:51:44 PM
He creates everything for that team, he's no less of a playmaker than Iniesta is (not saying he's better mind but the things he does are what constitutes a playmaker.)

He creates plays and dictates how the team plays in terms of tempo, your idea of playmaking is clearly quite different to mine because Hazard is clearly playmaking for that team.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 03:53:05 PM
That's the way it is. Robben gets most of the credit for Bayern, Messi for Barca and so on. Is it right ? Probably not but that's never going to change.

:lol: aye thanks for that.

 :smugdog:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:01:46 PM
He creates everything for that team, he's no less of a playmaker than Iniesta is (not saying he's better mind but the things he does are what constitutes a playmaker.)

He creates plays and dictates how the team plays in terms of tempo, your idea of playmaking is clearly quite different to mine because Hazard is clearly playmaking for that team.

TBF I see Cesc as the playmaker of that team. Playmaker for me is the one that dictates the tempo of games and creates chances. Hazard does create and all, but he doesn't really dictate the tempo of the game like Messi does when he plays on the wings. It's harder for a winger to be a playmaker in MY way of seeing it.

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: TruToon94 on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:04:02 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?


:llorente?:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Collage on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:14:56 PM
Dennis Bergkamp? Though arguably not really a striker.

EDIT: Same with Del Piero.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:27:33 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

Emile Heskey.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:29:39 PM
More seriously, I was about to name Kluivert but he's almost 1 in 2.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:30:08 PM
He creates everything for that team, he's no less of a playmaker than Iniesta is (not saying he's better mind but the things he does are what constitutes a playmaker.)

He creates plays and dictates how the team plays in terms of tempo, your idea of playmaking is clearly quite different to mine because Hazard is clearly playmaking for that team.

TBF I see Cesc as the playmaker of that team. Playmaker for me is the one that dictates the tempo of games and creates chances. Hazard does create and all, but he doesn't really dictate the tempo of the game like Messi does when he plays on the wings. It's harder for a winger to be a playmaker in MY way of seeing it.

Iniesta has also played a significant portion of his career as a central player. Likewise David Silva who is also a playmaker. Fabregas and De Bruyne all the playmakers in the sides Hazard plays for. In their absence Hazard wouldn't take their roles either.

I'm with Felip, a Playmaker sets the tempo and controls the game. Verratti in the week. Cesc often in the league. Silva drifting from wide and just dominating the game.


Hazard's remit in Mourinho's team is essentially inbetween ADM/ & Cronaldo. Neither as playmakers. He reserved that Ozil & Alonso.

Unpopular opinion: It's very hard to have Cesc Fabregas as he is as an integral part of a top, top team. I think Mou's counter attacking  approach suits him best.

He's best as #10 but lacks the feet to create space against top quality opposition. And he lacks positional sense to do it as a deeper midfielder.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fenham Mag on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:49:50 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

For us at the moment, Perez.

Historically Bellamy.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Flip on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:51:18 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

For us at the moment, Perez.

Historically Bellamy.

Bellamy - Shearer. Don't think I'll ever enjoy a partnership as much as those at this club again. Complemented each other so well.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 20 February 2015, 04:57:49 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

For us at the moment, Perez.

Historically Bellamy.

For us in recent times it's got to be Larsson. Rather poor scoring record but great at making space for others and enabling Ronaldinho/Eto'o to do their thing. Shoutout to Villa and how cannily clever he was moving in and around the box to drag defences and create space for Messi, but his record is close to 1 in 2.

Currently it's Suárez. But he seems to be hitting his streak, scoring-wise.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 20 February 2015, 05:13:11 PM
He creates everything for that team, he's no less of a playmaker than Iniesta is (not saying he's better mind but the things he does are what constitutes a playmaker.)

He creates plays and dictates how the team plays in terms of tempo, your idea of playmaking is clearly quite different to mine because Hazard is clearly playmaking for that team.

TBF I see Cesc as the playmaker of that team. Playmaker for me is the one that dictates the tempo of games and creates chances. Hazard does create and all, but he doesn't really dictate the tempo of the game like Messi does when he plays on the wings. It's harder for a winger to be a playmaker in MY way of seeing it.

There's two types of playmaker, the Xavi and Pirlo type and the more advanced type. Hazard falls under the latter IMO. Regardless he's clearly no forward.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HawK on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:09:08 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

Diego Forlan, Manchester United.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: maybe_next_year on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:12:37 PM
Interesting point, who is the best striker with the worst goalscoring record?

Diego Forlan, Manchester United.

Hated how every time I watched him post-Man u, the commentators always felt the need to mention his 'failure' in England :anguish:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:15:48 PM
Should've went to boro
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ste on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:18:18 PM

Love watching Gareth Bale as well.
Don't like goal line technology.
Never really understood why there aren't more players at the top level who can take an absolutely giant throw in. Not that difficult trait to train up but can be a really effective asset for any team. Of course watching Stoke under Pulis was pure aids where their game plan was only throw ins but still. Every team should have at least one player who can launch a gigantic throw in.

It was more the speed and trajectory of Delaps throws that were difficult to defend against, rather than how far he managed to throw it. Very difficult skill to master.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:20:29 PM
Bergkamp would be my choice.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:34:41 PM
Mark Hughes for me like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pilko on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:37:30 PM
Hernan Crespo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 20 February 2015, 06:48:42 PM
Romario
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 21 February 2015, 01:32:39 PM
Advanced playmaker - Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva. Never Hazard.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dave on Saturday 21 February 2015, 01:39:23 PM
Amr Zaki.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 21 February 2015, 01:41:36 PM
Advanced playmaker - Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva. Never Hazard.

There is absolutely zero difference between what Iniesta did for Barca than what Hazard does for Chelsea. And don't say he controls the tempo of a game because he doesn’t.

Iniesta used his dribbling ability to link the play between Xavi and Messi and Hazard does exactly the same but be the link between Fabregas and Costa. He's no forward in any case :lol: Bale and Neymar are forwards, they constantly make off the ball runs in behind defenses. When have you ever seen Hazard make runs in behind defences?  He doesn't because he's creating for those around him and has absolutely no idea how to make off the ball runs because he isn't you know a forward.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Saturday 21 February 2015, 03:48:04 PM
Hazard said: “We [Hazard and Mourinho] would both like for me to score more. Us forwards need to score and to pass.

Hazard calls himself a forward. You are wrong.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Incognito on Saturday 21 February 2015, 04:17:07 PM
Hazard said: “We [Hazard and Mourinho] would both like for me to score more. Us forwards need to score and to pass.

Hazard calls himself a forward. You are wrong.
Mind you, you think you're a good poster.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Saturday 21 February 2015, 04:17:55 PM


Advanced playmaker - Zidane, Iniesta, David Silva. Never Hazard.

There is absolutely zero difference between what Iniesta did for Barca than what Hazard does for Chelsea. And don't say he controls the tempo of a game because he doesn’t.

Iniesta used his dribbling ability to link the play between Xavi and Messi and Hazard does exactly the same but be the link between Fabregas and Costa. He's no forward in any case :lol: Bale and Neymar are forwards, they constantly make off the ball runs in behind defenses. When have you ever seen Hazard make runs in behind defences?  He doesn't because he's creating for those around him and has absolutely no idea how to make off the ball runs because he isn't you know a forward.

To say there is no difference between what Iniesta did at Barca and what Hazard does at Chelsea is plain wrong
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Astroblack on Saturday 21 February 2015, 04:24:17 PM
Hazard said: “We [Hazard and Mourinho] would both like for me to score more. Us forwards need to score and to pass.

Hazard calls himself a forward. You are wrong.

I think by that he means attacking players.

Hazard has always struck me as a winger. It's where he starts off and where he spends most of his time. He gets the free role time to time but he's mostly on the wing. That's where he was for Belgium in the WC, too.

He's one of my favorite players to watch, mind. He glides by defenders with ease but he needs to shoot more. You see Ronaldo do the same thing and then blast it in the top corner from wherever he is on the park. Hazard, however, takes an extra touch or stops dead. He can be quite frustrating in that sense.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 21 February 2015, 07:41:19 PM
If the Chronicle is to be believed. I apparently hold the unpopular opinion of wanting Carver out.  :undecided:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Saturday 21 February 2015, 07:54:12 PM
If the Chronicle is to be believed. I apparently hold the unpopular opinion of wanting Carver out.  :undecided:

According to their poll at least 90% of people agree with you though.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Saturday 21 February 2015, 07:55:29 PM
Hazard said: “We [Hazard and Mourinho] would both like for me to score more. Us forwards need to score and to pass.

Hazard calls himself a forward. You are wrong.
Mind you, you think you're a good poster.


:snigger:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Twinport53 on Saturday 21 February 2015, 09:12:03 PM
If the Chronicle is to be believed. I apparently hold the unpopular opinion of wanting Carver out.  :undecided:

According to their poll at least 90% of people agree with you though.

It's awful being in the minority, isn't it?  :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: STM on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 04:41:00 PM
I quite like Sherwood. His honesty and approach are quite refreshing.

I wouldn't mind us having a manager with some passion and honesty like Sherwood, provided he has the knowledge.

He conducted himself ok up here too, think he called us a big club.

There, I said it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Astroblack on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 07:02:06 PM
I quite like Sherwood. His honesty and approach are quite refreshing.

I wouldn't mind us having a manager with some passion and honesty like Sherwood, provided he has the knowledge.

He conducted himself ok up here too, think he called us a big club.

There, I said it.

I liked his post match interview last night. He said he wants to play football and get results, Not grind out results playing dirty. I think Villa played some decent footy against West Brom.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 07:37:20 PM
His unpopularity on here is pretty embarrassing, mind. The bloke calls a spade a spade, likes to see himself as one of the fans and cultivate a strong channel of communication in that respect, and plays very attacking football. What's really to dislike? Pretty much every manager/league winning captain has a gargantuan ego, it's just generally offset by a veneer of humility.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 07:44:48 PM
What's to like though? He's a bloke whose arrogance far outweighs anything he's actually done, and who the media seem to plug for no apparent reason at all. Until he does something there's no reason at all to rate him as far as I can see.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 08:24:29 PM
Yeah but give the guy a chance, at least. That Canadian lad on here was calling him a crap manager the other week, in spite of the fact he's been a manager for less than a year in total and done a good job in that time.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hughesy on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 08:35:30 PM
I always hated Sherwood as a player.  Not sure why, but it's spilled into me not liking as a manager.  Seemed to do a good job at Spurs despite most Spurs fans I know thinking he wasn't very good.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 08:40:53 PM
(http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article8690086.ece/alternates/s615/SherwoodAdebayor.jpg)

I cannot look past this moment tbh, it's tarnished him forever. He deserves his chance though, the fact he's arrogant means f*** all in that regard, just that if he falls he'll fall harder.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: n4e on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 08:43:09 PM
His unpopularity on here is pretty embarrassing, mind. The bloke calls a spade a spade, likes to see himself as one of the fans and cultivate a strong channel of communication in that respect, and plays very attacking football. What's really to dislike? Pretty much every manager/league winning captain has a gargantuan ego, it's just generally offset by a veneer of humility.

A few months ago he was claiming the Spurs fans hate Harry Kane because he's English and he got dogs abuse for playing him because he wasn't Spanish like Soldado. He talks bollocks, man.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 4 March 2015, 08:43:34 PM
That picture is so cringey :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Belfast Boy on Sunday 8 March 2015, 05:46:34 PM
That picture is so cringey :lol:
Not quite as bad as the newspaper one where they airbrushed Chris Ramsey out of it
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mistle17 on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 05:30:04 PM
Sherwood is an egotistical blagger who talks in cliches. Quite frankly it's embarrassing how much the media (SSN and BBC especially) want him to succeed and build him up- he couldn't shake off the 4-4-2 bug at Spurs, failing to accommodate the likes of Eriksen, Bentaleb, and Lamela. Look at that team now and those individuals now, totally different.

He'll get found out. He's a spoofer, man.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 05:31:53 PM
Careful, or else Ron will huff and puff and blow your house down.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 05:44:18 PM
Btw you're not Canadian are you?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 06:09:49 PM


Sherwood is an egotistical blagger who talks in cliches. Quite frankly it's embarrassing how much the media (SSN and BBC especially) want him to succeed and build him up- he couldn't shake off the 4-4-2 bug at Spurs, failing to accommodate the likes of Eriksen, Bentaleb, and Lamela. Look at that team now and those individuals now, totally different.

He'll get found out. He's a spoofer, man.

I don't even like Sherwood but he's the one who gave Bentaleb his chance. He'd likely be in the reserves or out on loan if it wasn't for him. I thought Lamela was it on loan last season but not sure and Eriksen was the main man in Sherwood's side
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 06:27:00 PM
Yeah that post is a load of rubbish
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 07:15:13 PM
Sherwood is an egotistical blagger who talks in cliches. Quite frankly it's embarrassing how much the media (SSN and BBC especially) want him to succeed and build him up- he couldn't shake off the 4-4-2 bug at Spurs, failing to accommodate the likes of Eriksen, Bentaleb, and Lamela. Look at that team now and those individuals now, totally different.

He'll get found out. He's a spoofer, man.

I think this as well really, it's a mystery to me why so many people like him. Still, he might be able to motivate players to a certain extent and do alright based on that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Cronky on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 07:39:27 PM
Sherwood does carry this confident air about him, as though he's already a proven success, which is quite irritating.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: PineBarrens on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 07:57:08 PM
Sherwood does carry this confident air about him, as though he's already a proven success, which is quite irritating.
Also known as doing a Pardew.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 08:00:28 PM
Pardew got to a cup final once tbf.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Thursday 12 March 2015, 08:44:07 PM
It seems canny obvious to me that he's doing it because it's contagious and it's something that works well as a manager.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The Prophet on Thursday 12 March 2015, 09:57:12 PM
Luis Suarez is the most selfless player in world football.  (considering his natural talent)

France will walk Euro 16. (http://France will walk Euro 16.)

:dowiespin:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 12 March 2015, 11:39:21 PM
Careful, or else Ron will huff and puff and blow your house down.

If you had owt about you as a poster you'd have done that for me. Just a criminally bad effort by Mistle. Spurs would've finished 3rd with their form under Sherwoord stretched over a full season. They're currently 6th. Vast improvement indeed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Thursday 12 March 2015, 11:59:04 PM
Careful, or else Ron will huff and puff and blow your house down.

If you had owt about you as a poster you'd have done that for me. Just a criminally bad effort by Mistle. Spurs would've finished 3rd with their form under Sherwoord stretched over a full season. They're currently 6th. Vast improvement indeed.

Over 28 games he averaged 1.64 points per game, which would've given them 62.4 points over the course of 38 games. This would be less than the 69 points they actually ended up with. They would have finished 7th and not 6th.

Obviously it's just an average, but to state that he'd finish 3rd (>82 points), is rather far fetched.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: brummie on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:07:10 AM
Sherwood is a bit of a bell end.

He did a "checking pulse" thing to the Holte End after the league match against Ollbeeyun last week which was cringey along the same lines as that salute thing. I thought it was a f***ing stupid appointment.

Having said that, though, we've just been Ollbeeyun twice in five days, played some more than decent (by our recent standards) football in doing so, and secured at least one Wembley trip, to a semi final.

Given that, it seems churlish to moan. He's also managed to get a decent performance out of Charles N'Zogbia and Tom Cleverley, which is something I never thought I'd see.

He can open his big gob as much as he likes so long as he carries on making it actually pleasurable to watch us play.

Before the second Albion game, I was poking around having a look at a few of our forums, and someone posted something along the lines of "I can't get over the fact that I'm actually looking forward to the match". Which basically said it all about what it had become.

See also that pitch invasion. I would have preferred it not to have happened, it is a bit smalltime. But then again, this is a club which has had its two worst home seasons in 140 years last season and the season before. A club that had just put together a run of seven consecutive league defeats. A club which had managed a run of over 11 hours without scoring a single goal.

A club whose fans have basically had big steaming buckets of liquefied horse s*** syringed directly into their eyeballs at home matches for four years.

Given all that, I don't blame anyone for running on, and I can see why people would like Sherwood.

It is very, very early days, but it feels like I imagine VE Day felt. Thank f*** that is over.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:14:28 AM
Careful, or else Ron will huff and puff and blow your house down.

If you had owt about you as a poster you'd have done that for me. Just a criminally bad effort by Mistle. Spurs would've finished 3rd with their form under Sherwoord stretched over a full season. They're currently 6th. Vast improvement indeed.

Over 28 games he averaged 1.64 points per game, which would've given them 62.4 points over the course of 38 games. This would be less than the 69 points they actually ended up with. They would have finished 7th and not 6th.

Obviously it's just an average, but to state that he'd finish 3rd (>82 points), is rather far fetched.

It was actually 1.91 points per game according to this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31470606.

Over a full season that's 73 points. Generally good enough for 4th, and often 3rd. Of course, it's all conjecture to suggest who those points would've come form and subsequently how league positioning would've been affected.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: brummie on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:17:25 AM
Careful, or else Ron will huff and puff and blow your house down.

If you had owt about you as a poster you'd have done that for me. Just a criminally bad effort by Mistle. Spurs would've finished 3rd with their form under Sherwoord stretched over a full season. They're currently 6th. Vast improvement indeed.

Over 28 games he averaged 1.64 points per game, which would've given them 62.4 points over the course of 38 games. This would be less than the 69 points they actually ended up with. They would have finished 7th and not 6th.

Obviously it's just an average, but to state that he'd finish 3rd (>82 points), is rather far fetched.

Surely if you're extrapolating something over a period of time to come to a theoretical league points total, you have to only look at league matches rather than throw in league cup or europa league games.

In league games he picked up 42 points in 22 games, which is 1.9 points per game, which over 38 games equals 72 points.

That's pretty good.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: brummie on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:18:18 AM
NB I rounded down 1.909 to 1.9 but it should actually be 1.91 I guess, which fits with Ronaldo's figures.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:19:13 AM
:thup:

You've scored 5 goals in 4 games under him, and played very good watchable stuff in the process. I'd call that a minor miracle.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: brummie on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:21:07 AM
:thup:

You've scored 5 goals in 4 games under him, and played very good stuff in the process. I'd call that a minor miracle.

Especially if you look at the end of Lambert's reign and count back how long a period it took to score our last five goals under him and realise it was in f***ing December.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:25:13 AM
Ha. You deserved far more than you got against us, too. Not saying he's the next great coach or owt but there's far more suggesting he's a good manager than bad.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Friday 13 March 2015, 04:25:02 AM
I was going to post something here about Sherwood after listening to a podcast, I was wondering where this assumption that he's s*** has come from. I mean, he may well be, and he's obviously a bit of a clown, but he was given a brief chance at Spurs and did pretty well with it, let's see how he does.

I don't know where this idea of him being talked up by media has come from, I've heard him getting nothing but slagged. I must just be consuming different media.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Astroblack on Friday 13 March 2015, 05:25:42 AM
I feel the same way. Its the god damn internet. Everyone needs to be squaeky clean to be liked.

If Cabaye played for any other club he'd be hated for being a c***. But here he's loved even though he acted the way he did.

Self riotous lbullshit.

People need that chip on their shoulder to feel the way they feel.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kanji on Friday 13 March 2015, 11:48:38 AM
Got no issues with Sherwood. The way he called out Pardew tactics after beating us in 2nd gear while at Spurs said it all for me.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Lotus on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:03:53 PM
Peter Reid always comes across as a likeable guy to me.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:05:46 PM
:lol: Aye I've never really minded Peter Reid.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:06:13 PM
I don't assume Sherwood's s***, I just don't have any reason to believe he's any good. I do think a lot of pundits talk about him as if he's already a proven manager.

It's very strange to me that anyone without proven experience and a record of success is ever appointed to a PL club though, it makes no sense.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:19:55 PM
sure I read he's got the highest win percentage than any other Tottenham manager albeit over a short period of time. He's also got villa winning and into a cup semi. Not sure what else he could have done in that period
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:43:19 PM
Sherwood is still just unproved for me. His record does warrant him a crack at the whip though.

However, his tactics and his Ray Winstone persona are fairly unappealing to me.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Recoba on Friday 13 March 2015, 12:59:52 PM
Wayne Rooney is massively underrated.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Belfast Boy on Friday 13 March 2015, 01:10:43 PM
Sherwood cant get much credit for Villa's turnaround yet. The players have been released from the shackles Lambert had on them. Now that he has been there a couple of weeks in training etc, if the results are maintained he can start to take a bit of credit.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ilikenewcastle on Friday 13 March 2015, 01:40:47 PM
There are a lot of people who try to portray Sherwood as some bumbling idiot when his record certainly isn't bad. Obviously he's still relatively inexperienced, but the general opinion seems to be that he's rubbish. Without wanting to sound a bit UKIP, this is entirely because he's an unfashionable Englishman imo. I'd say he's been mostly decent so far.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 13 March 2015, 01:48:34 PM
"His record" isn't substantial. Did a good job at Spurs. Doing better than Lambert now.

People dislike him because he's arrogant for little reason.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Friday 13 March 2015, 02:04:04 PM
The reason most people don't like / rate Sherwood is down his absolutely abhorrent personality and being a total melt.

His football is fairly basic but effective English style football.

It would be nice if there were some English managers in the league who weren't loathsome pricks but it seems that isn't going to be the case for a while.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: waterbottle on Friday 13 March 2015, 02:08:00 PM
The reason most people don't like / rate Sherwood is down his absolutely abhorrent personality and being a total melt.

His football is fairly basic but effective English style football.

It would be nice if there were some English managers in the league who weren't loathsome pricks but it seems that isn't going to be the case for a while.
His football isn't that bad though, and he does get results. He's a prick, but that's no reason to discount the results he did consistently get
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Friday 13 March 2015, 02:20:16 PM
The reason most people don't like / rate Sherwood is down his absolutely abhorrent personality and being a total melt.

His football is fairly basic but effective English style football.

It would be nice if there were some English managers in the league who weren't loathsome pricks but it seems that isn't going to be the case for a while.
His football isn't that bad though, and he does get results. He's a prick, but that's no reason to discount the results he did consistently get

Never suggested it was.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Friday 13 March 2015, 04:33:34 PM
I don't assume Sherwood's s***, I just don't have any reason to believe he's any good. I do think a lot of pundits talk about him as if he's already a proven manager.

It's very strange to me that anyone without proven experience and a record of success is ever appointed to a PL club though, it makes no sense.

Not to be inflammatory, but I can guarantee you'd be saying this if the consensus was the other way.


'I don't assume Sherwood's great, I just don't have any reason to believe he's really that bad. I do think a lot of people talk about him as if he's already a proven to be a bad manager.

It's very strange to me that anyone without proven experience and a record of success is ever appointed to a PL club though, it makes no sense.'
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Friday 13 March 2015, 04:36:27 PM
What?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Saturday 14 March 2015, 03:27:03 AM
:lol: Aye I've never really minded Peter Reid.

Yeah, and he was a great panto villain when he was at the Mackems. Seemed like a proper part of the club, easy to give stick and he clearly enjoyed it too. Poyet just seems like some passing mercenary I've got little interest in.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ndegwa on Saturday 14 March 2015, 09:17:40 AM
I don't think Tim Sherwood is arrogant.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Foluwashola on Sunday 15 March 2015, 10:22:44 AM
I don't think Tim Sherwood is arrogant.

You must have a vastly different understanding of the word to most people. Undecided on Sherwood tbh, the bloke's undoubtedly a massive w***** but at least he seemingly takes risks as a manager.

Still, hope it all implodes deliciously at Villa.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 15 March 2015, 12:12:41 PM
Yeah Sherwood is a massive w*****, that's as accurate as we need to be about him.

Time will tell if his record negates that or not, I suspect he'll end up average and/or found out.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: cp40 on Sunday 15 March 2015, 12:20:13 PM
Yeah Sherwood is a massive w*****, that's as accurate as we need to be about him.

Tim will tell if his record negates that or not, I suspect he'll end up average and/or found out.


thought it said that,  :lol: the prick
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 4 November 2015, 08:16:07 PM
David Squires' work isn't all that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 4 November 2015, 08:22:31 PM
Its gone down in standards but last season was absolutely class
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Miercoles on Wednesday 4 November 2015, 08:22:43 PM
Last few certainly haven't been great.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Astroblack on Wednesday 4 November 2015, 08:30:19 PM
Its gone down in standards but last season was absolutely class

Agree with this. Last year along with the World Cup ones were great. Might also be that he's doing stuff that I don't find particularly relevant.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 4 November 2015, 08:39:36 PM
David Squires' work isn't all that.
Really gone downhill which is natural really
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fugazi on Wednesday 21 December 2016, 07:07:53 PM
Yeboah vs Liverpool > Yeboah vs Wimbledon
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 10 December 2017, 09:24:45 PM
I don't think City are that good and I think if they face PSG or Real Madrid in the CL at some stage they'll get battered

When I say "that good" like they're obviously very good, I just don't think they're as good as some are saying

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 10 December 2017, 09:41:02 PM
Just the 14 consecutive league wins, top of their Champions League group, +37 goal difference after 16 games. Should do better like.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Bimpy474 on Sunday 10 December 2017, 10:00:15 PM
We play very boring football.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 10 December 2017, 10:21:11 PM
Just the 14 consecutive league wins, top of their Champions League group, +37 goal difference after 16 games. Should do better like.
We shall see, feel free to pull me up on it if they win/go close to the Champions League
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 10 December 2017, 11:01:43 PM
Think they're too shakey defensively to win the CL.

An elite CL team should be able to pick them off on the counter.

Can see them breaking 95+ points and maybe going undefeated in the PL.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: leffe186 on Monday 11 December 2017, 01:04:18 AM
I don't think City are that good and I think if they face PSG or Real Madrid in the CL at some stage they'll get battered

When I say "that good" like they're obviously very good, I just don't think they're as good as some are saying



That may be, but clearly Real aren't as good as you are saying, because we gubbed them.

I think the CL is wide open this year.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Monday 11 December 2017, 01:18:47 AM
I don't think City are that good and I think if they face PSG or Real Madrid in the CL at some stage they'll get battered

When I say "that good" like they're obviously very good, I just don't think they're as good as some are saying



That may be, but clearly Real aren't as good as you are saying, because we gubbed them.

I think the CL is wide open this year.
Real are improving, hammered Sevilla this weekend and Ronaldo is back to form.  Group stage doesn't count for much. They didn't top their group last season either and then were outstanding in the knockouts
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Stottie on Monday 11 December 2017, 02:50:31 AM
Possibly sacrilege around here, but Man City are better at keeping it in the corner in the final minutes than Alan Shearer. More entertaining too.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 11 December 2017, 03:22:03 AM
I would also agree that the CL is wide open this year. Can see City shipping 3 or 4 against a top team.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Monday 11 December 2017, 03:38:12 AM
Possibly sacrilege around here, but Man City are better at keeping it in the corner in the final minutes than Alan Shearer. More entertaining too.

Was just thinking on saturday with Leicester at the end that that was the most I've seen a team manage to keep it in the corner since Shearer was a master of it. Shearer was so shameless with it, I've not seen Man City, but never seen anyone like him with it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Eddy Chibas on Monday 11 December 2017, 08:28:40 AM
Relegation fights aren't far reaching & savage enough. The top 6 are rewarded each year, with the opportunity to play in Europe, so the bottom 6 should be hauled over the coals.

My system (which includes 4 team promotion from the Championship)...... 4 relegation places, two of which (19th & 20th) are automatically culled/relegated. 15v18 and 16v17 decide who else goes down ie. the losers of those two ties.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Si on Monday 11 December 2017, 08:29:52 AM
We'd be f***ed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 14 January 2018, 05:55:52 PM
I don't think City are that good and I think if they face PSG or Real Madrid in the CL at some stage they'll get battered

When I say "that good" like they're obviously very good, I just don't think they're as good as some are saying
Obviously one game proves nothing but I reiterate my point
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 14 January 2018, 05:58:07 PM
If it's just one game that proves nothing, why are you bringing it up.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:00:24 PM
If it's just one game that proves nothing, why are you bringing it up.
Because I don't want people to forget it when they get battered by PSG
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Twinport53 on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:01:00 PM
I don't think City are that good and I think if they face PSG or Real Madrid in the CL at some stage they'll get battered

When I say "that good" like they're obviously very good, I just don't think they're as good as some are saying
Obviously one game proves nothing but I reiterate my point

Even with Messi, I doubt Barca would go unbeaten in the PL until 14 Jan with Delph playing LB.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:04:08 PM
If it's just one game that proves nothing, why are you bringing it up.
Because I don't want people to forget it when they get battered by PSG
PSG battering anyone is never going to be a great shout tbf.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:04:28 PM
I don't think City are that good and I think if they face PSG or Real Madrid in the CL at some stage they'll get battered

When I say "that good" like they're obviously very good, I just don't think they're as good as some are saying
Obviously one game proves nothing but I reiterate my point

Even with Messi, I doubt Barca would go unbeaten in the PL until 14 Jan with Delph playing LB.
Its not about going unbeaten though. I just think their vulnerabilities will get exploited on the break by a top team
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:04:42 PM
If it's just one game that proves nothing, why are you bringing it up.
Because I don't want people to forget it when they get battered by PSG
No chance
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:10:36 PM
If it's just one game that proves nothing, why are you bringing it up.
Because I don't want people to forget it when they get battered by PSG

We'll be sure to cast a medal for you.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:11:28 PM
If it's just one game that proves nothing, why are you bringing it up.
Because I don't want people to forget it when they get battered by PSG

We'll be sure to cast a medal for you.
The glory of being right on N-O is all I need
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 14 January 2018, 06:13:49 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Tuesday 24 April 2018, 10:40:00 PM
David Squires' work isn't all that.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Tuesday 24 April 2018, 10:41:56 PM
It’s nowhere near as good as it used to be, imo.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Kaizero on Tuesday 24 April 2018, 10:42:18 PM
David Squires' work isn't all that.

(https://i.giphy.com/media/3otPoo0470PTytXXtm/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Raconteur on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 12:15:26 AM
David Squires' work isn't all that.

Quite like Squires, but Athletico Mince isn't very amusing at all
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 12:18:57 AM
I don't listen to AM other than the clips I see on here (too many podcasts already) but I wouldn't expect Bob Mortimer's humour to translate particularly well abroad.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Raconteur on Wednesday 25 April 2018, 12:54:57 AM
I don't listen to AM other than the clips I see on here (too many podcasts already) but I wouldn't expect Bob Mortimer's humour to translate particularly well abroad.

Does seem very British, which comes across very hit and miss here :thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Astroblack on Thursday 10 May 2018, 05:16:44 AM
I think that the unbeaten Arsenal invincible season is massively overrated. I didn't think much of it then and still don't now.


Do it domestically and win the Champions League and then I'll be impressed.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Thursday 10 May 2018, 07:19:49 AM
Very unpopular opinion that one. Freddie Ljungberg was probaly their weakest player and he was great that year.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fugazi on Thursday 10 May 2018, 11:37:43 AM
Was a huge achievement imo, going unbeaten for a whole season and 49 games in total is more impressive than what Citeh have done this season.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 10 May 2018, 11:53:14 AM
Was a great achievement, but I remember them riding their luck on numerous occasions that season.

Still think this city side is better.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Raconteur on Thursday 10 May 2018, 01:30:00 PM
Was a huge achievement imo, going unbeaten for a whole season and 49 games in total is more impressive than what Citeh have done this season.
Was a great achievement, but I remember them riding their luck on numerous occasions that season.

Still think this city side is better.

I don't think Citeh can say that until they go unbeaten. It's a phenomenal record; even if not all of Arsenal's performances were great that year, they still get to say "invincible".
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Thursday 10 May 2018, 02:20:20 PM
I don't think the team was the best we've seen but the achievement was absolutely brilliant.

Never bad enough to lose over 38 games is massive. Great concentration and mentality. And at the time no clear-cut weaknesses.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 13 May 2018, 07:16:56 AM
The Jack Wilshere goal for Arsenal wasn't "that" good. I mean it was nice and all that but 1 or 2 of the components seems a bit bumbled (like the only reason Wilshere had to pass the ball back to Giroud in that fashion was because the pass into him was off).
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 16 May 2018, 06:36:07 PM
Those Fan TV things are f***ing s***.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ElDiablo on Thursday 17 May 2018, 09:48:18 AM
Those Fan TV things are f***ing s***.

I have a soft spot for Robbie. But in general, absolutely.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Wullie on Thursday 17 May 2018, 09:53:35 AM
Is that an unpopular opinion? I bloody hope not.

That bloke posted the other day filming himself for the entire Chelsea game was worse like, what a cringe.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HawK on Thursday 17 May 2018, 10:00:35 AM
I don't mind Fat Sam as a manager and was disappointed when he got himself sacked off the England job. I view England as the Stoke of world football and I think we need an appropriate manager. I was even a bit disappointed when he got sacked at Newcastle, but obviously over the moon when we got Keegan in.

Looking forward to being proved wrong this summer but how a former England central defender doesn't even look at one of the two highest rated centre backs by Opta for the whole season is not only criminal, it's vindictive. Does he have that much of his stint in Boro ingrained into him that he actively disuades himself from considering our players?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Thursday 17 May 2018, 10:11:46 AM
I don't mind Fat Sam as a manager and was disappointed when he got himself sacked off the England job. I view England as the Stoke of world football and I think we need an appropriate manager. I was even a bit disappointed when he got sacked at Newcastle, but obviously over the moon when we got Keegan in.


Glad someone mentioned Big Sam first :lol: Yeah, I was one of the few who was a bit gutted when Ashley sacked him. Was happy when he came in from Bolton and - ok we lost to Derby - but we weren't in particularly bad form.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HawK on Thursday 17 May 2018, 10:17:04 AM
I don't mind Fat Sam as a manager and was disappointed when he got himself sacked off the England job. I view England as the Stoke of world football and I think we need an appropriate manager. I was even a bit disappointed when he got sacked at Newcastle, but obviously over the moon when we got Keegan in.


Glad someone mentioned Big Sam first :lol: Yeah, I was one of the few who was a bit gutted when Ashley sacked him. Was happy when he came in from Bolton and - ok we lost to Derby - but we weren't in particularly bad form.

Let's start a support group, #MeToo :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: afar on Thursday 17 May 2018, 11:32:11 PM
Well I thought at the time the sacking was a little premature, and was very impressed with his first press conference and of course starting the season with good away win. I wonder where we would be now if Ashley had realised how much of a perfect fit the Fat headed git is for his idea of how to run a football club.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 17 May 2018, 11:35:29 PM
Can't wholly remember (only real memory of Allardyce as our manager was the toxicity of the atmosphere in the 0-3 humping at SJP off Liverpool) but my dad absolutely hated him to the point of jacking the season ticket when he was appointed. Bought a half season ticket after Keegan's appointment, mind. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Robster on Thursday 17 May 2018, 11:37:18 PM
Sam Allardyce fans. f***ing hell :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Wullie on Thursday 17 May 2018, 11:40:02 PM
Most people were actually fairly disappointed when he was dismissed, including me (check the thread on here). Fog cleared once I saw the tune Keegan ended up getting out of the same players.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Thursday 17 May 2018, 11:46:22 PM
"We're s*** and we're sick of it" was the song the fans sung during Allardyce's time at NUFC. He bought a lot of passed it players too.

I suppose this is the "unpopular opinion" thread so keep up the good work fellas.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Thursday 17 May 2018, 11:54:07 PM
I don't mind Fat Sam as a manager and was disappointed when he got himself sacked off the England job. I view England as the Stoke of world football and I think we need an appropriate manager. I was even a bit disappointed when he got sacked at Newcastle, but obviously over the moon when we got Keegan in.


Glad someone mentioned Big Sam first :lol: Yeah, I was one of the few who was a bit gutted when Ashley sacked him. Was happy when he came in from Bolton and - ok we lost to Derby - but we weren't in particularly bad form.
Which was their only win that entire season. The worst PL side in history; finishing bottom with 11 points. 4 of those points taken from Allardyce's NUFC.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Wullie on Friday 18 May 2018, 12:00:20 AM
"We're s*** and we're sick of it" was the song the fans sung during Allardyce's time at NUFC. He bought a lot of passed it players too.

I suppose this is the "unpopular opinion" thread so keep up the good work fellas.

Just the way it was at the time.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=48631.0
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Twinport53 on Friday 18 May 2018, 12:08:05 AM
I remember thinking we'd have a decent season after beating Bolton on the opening day 3-1 and Oba scored that funky overhead kick. I think we were unbeaten until Kenny Miller lasered that shot over Harper. Oh well.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Friday 18 May 2018, 12:10:52 AM
Feel like i hated Big Sam then and I do now.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Twinport53 on Friday 18 May 2018, 12:17:15 AM
"We're s*** and we're sick of it" was the song the fans sung during Allardyce's time at NUFC. He bought a lot of passed it players too.

I suppose this is the "unpopular opinion" thread so keep up the good work fellas.

Just the way it was at the time.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=48631.0

Some belting quotes for McClaren in there :lol:

If Steve McClaren is appointed it will be the end of Newcastle Utd

if it's fuckin MacClown i'll fuckin go and support Amble Town.

If its MaClaren there will be a riot surely.

If only we knew what lay a decade ahead and we'd give him 80mil :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Friday 18 May 2018, 12:21:35 AM
Is that an unpopular opinion? I bloody hope not.

That bloke posted the other day filming himself for the entire Chelsea game was worse like, what a cringe.

I was under the impression that the popular opinion was that it's utter s**** :lol:

Guess not.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Friday 18 May 2018, 12:43:47 AM
"We're s*** and we're sick of it" was the song the fans sung during Allardyce's time at NUFC. He bought a lot of passed it players too.

I suppose this is the "unpopular opinion" thread so keep up the good work fellas.

Just the way it was at the time.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=48631.0

Some belting quotes for McClaren in there :lol:

If Steve McClaren is appointed it will be the end of Newcastle Utd

if it's fuckin MacClown i'll fuckin go and support Amble Town.

If its MaClaren there will be a riot surely.

If only we knew what lay a decade ahead and we'd give him 80mil :lol:
That list. :lol:

Latest favourites from oddschecker

1. Harry Redknapp
2. Mark Hughes       
3. Kevin Keegan       
4. Martin Jol       
5. Alan Shearer     
6. Gerard Houllier       
7. Jose Mourinho         
8. Nigel Pearson         
9. Ottmar Hitzfeld       
10. Steve McClaren     
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 18 May 2018, 11:48:28 AM
"We're s*** and we're sick of it" was the song the fans sung during Allardyce's time at NUFC. He bought a lot of passed it players too.

I suppose this is the "unpopular opinion" thread so keep up the good work fellas.

Just the way it was at the time.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=48631.0

Some belting quotes for McClaren in there :lol:

If Steve McClaren is appointed it will be the end of Newcastle Utd

if it's fuckin MacClown i'll fuckin go and support Amble Town.

If its MaClaren there will be a riot surely.

If only we knew what lay a decade ahead and we'd give him 80mil :lol:
That list. :lol:

Latest favourites from oddschecker

1. Harry Redknapp
2. Mark Hughes       
3. Kevin Keegan       
4. Martin Jol       
5. Alan Shearer     
6. Gerard Houllier       
7. Jose Mourinho         
8. Nigel Pearson         
9. Ottmar Hitzfeld       
10. Steve McClaren     

It was super-close to being Redknapp until he decided his dogs would get too homesick.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HawK on Friday 18 May 2018, 05:33:13 PM
"We're s*** and we're sick of it" was the song the fans sung during Allardyce's time at NUFC. He bought a lot of passed it players too.

I suppose this is the "unpopular opinion" thread so keep up the good work fellas.

Just the way it was at the time.

https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=48631.0

Some belting quotes for McClaren in there :lol:

If Steve McClaren is appointed it will be the end of Newcastle Utd

if it's fuckin MacClown i'll fuckin go and support Amble Town.

If its MaClaren there will be a riot surely.

If only we knew what lay a decade ahead and we'd give him 80mil :lol:
That list. :lol:

Latest favourites from oddschecker

1. Harry Redknapp
2. Mark Hughes       
3. Kevin Keegan       
4. Martin Jol       
5. Alan Shearer     
6. Gerard Houllier       
7. Jose Mourinho         
8. Nigel Pearson         
9. Ottmar Hitzfeld       
10. Steve McClaren     

It was super-close to being Redknapp until he decided his dogs would get too homesick.

Redknapp laid the foundations for Poch, when Harry met Levy was the sliding doors moment for Newcastle and Tottenham.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 20 May 2018, 12:05:50 AM
They also made some fantastic signings.

Luka Modric
Gareth Bale
Berbatov
Defoe
Keane

But they also played Alan Hutton. SO kudos where it's due.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ponsaelius on Sunday 20 May 2018, 01:15:08 AM
Redknapp laid the foundations for Poch, when Harry met Levy was the sliding doors moment for Newcastle and Tottenham.

That's obviously not particularly true. The different trajectories of the two clubs since that time are entirely due to Ashley's ownership of NUFC - and by contrast, Levy's savvy but ambitious operating of Spurs.

The managerial appointments are mere footnotes.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 20 May 2018, 01:29:52 AM
Freddie started the job, Ashley finished it
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 20 May 2018, 03:20:01 AM
Aye, owners/managing directors are the most important people at football clubs.  They set the ambitions of the club. 

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:26:28 PM
Lewandowski is overrated now, carrying over from his Dortmund days

Aye he scores like 60 goals in a Munich side that p*ss the league anyway

5 in CL last season vs Anderlecht x2, Besiktas x2, PSG (1 of 5 against "top" sides)
8 in the CL 16/17 - vs Rostov, PSV x3, Atletico, Arsenal x2, Real Madrid (2 of 8 against top sides)
9 in the CL 15/16 - Dinamo Zagreb x5, Arsenal, Olympiakos, Juventus, Atletico (2 of 9 against top sides)
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:34:22 PM
Agree
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:45:58 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:48:19 PM
He's scored 20+ goals in all competitions in 10 out of 11 seasons as a top-flight footballer. "Overrated," f*** outta here. :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:49:49 PM
Yeah I'll be honest I'm not seeing the negatives here. His record for Poland has also been ridiculous for the past 5 or so years (32 in 36).

EDIT: Remove friendlies and it's 27 in 34.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:52:21 PM
This seems like another knee-jerk World Cup "hottake" tbh.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:53:48 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.

Yeah pretty much this. He can only score against who he's playing against and he seems to be doing that more often than not
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:55:26 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
Yeah tbf those stats aren't bad at all. He's clearly an excellent player but he just seems a step down on the very best strikers when I watch him recently
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 07:59:10 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
Yeah tbf those stats aren't bad at all. He's clearly an excellent player but he just seems a step down on the very best strikers when I watch him recently

Messi and Ronaldo aside, who would you consider better strikers than Lewandowski? Genuine question. I can think of maaaybe 2-3 who I'd accept an argument for.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:04:08 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
Yeah tbf those stats aren't bad at all. He's clearly an excellent player but he just seems a step down on the very best strikers when I watch him recently

Messi and Ronaldo aside, who would you consider better strikers than Lewandowski? Genuine question. I can think of maaaybe 2-3 who I'd accept an argument for.
Cavani, Kane, Costa, Suarez. I'd put a few more in there but it's probably unfair as I really don't rate the Bundesliga
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:09:24 PM
He’s not as good as he was IMO but still evidently extremely good. Scored like a billion goals in qualifying n all. Would rank him in the Cavani bracket.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:14:00 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
World class strikers perform in the big games, not against Bundesliga dross when you're playing for a side miles ahead of the rest.  Are you impressed with Cavani for scoring 82 league goals in the last 3 years in Ligue 1?

He rarely does (perform in big games), the only one I can remember was in the CL semi a few years ago against Atletico.  Goals in the big games are what separate the world class from just "very good", Lewandowski isnt world class imo (ignoring Messi and Ronaldo in this, man. They're not comparible to anyone). Yes he's very good but aye.. overrated
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:14:57 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
Yeah tbf those stats aren't bad at all. He's clearly an excellent player but he just seems a step down on the very best strikers when I watch him recently

Messi and Ronaldo aside, who would you consider better strikers than Lewandowski? Genuine question. I can think of maaaybe 2-3 who I'd accept an argument for.
Cavani, Kane, Costa, Suarez. I'd put a few more in there but it's probably unfair as I really don't rate the Bundesliga
Griezmann and Aguero as well, but I'd remove Cavani cause I can't stand him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:16:13 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
Yeah tbf those stats aren't bad at all. He's clearly an excellent player but he just seems a step down on the very best strikers when I watch him recently

Messi and Ronaldo aside, who would you consider better strikers than Lewandowski? Genuine question. I can think of maaaybe 2-3 who I'd accept an argument for.
Cavani, Kane, Costa, Suarez. I'd put a few more in there but it's probably unfair as I really don't rate the Bundesliga
Griezmann and Aguero as well, but I'd remove Cavani cause I can't stand him.
Yeah, exactly.  Messi and Ronaldo don't count. Then the list you guys have, then Lewandowski.  Loads of people would lump him in the 2nd group


edit:

13 in 10 in Euro championship qualifiers for Poland (against Scotland, Gibraltar, Georgia, Ireland and 1 against Germany)

2 in 8 in the actual tournaments

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:25:36 PM
Aubameyang is worth a shout as well. Scored as many in a much worse team in Germany and started like a house on fire in England
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:29:20 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
World class strikers perform in the big games, not against Bundesliga dross when you're playing for a side miles ahead of the rest.  Are you impressed with Cavani for scoring 82 league goals in the last 3 years in Ligue 1?

He rarely does (perform in big games), the only one I can remember was in the CL semi a few years ago against Atletico.  Goals in the big games are what separate the world class from just "very good", Lewandowski isnt world class imo (ignoring Messi and Ronaldo in this, man. They're not comparible to anyone). Yes he's very good but aye.. overrated

Yes, because 82 goals in 3 years is f***ing impressive ffs :lol: they’re not up against pub league teams. The likes of Cavani and Lewandowski take the p*ss out of professional footballers on a weekly basis.

Messi and Ronaldo being superhuman has melted people's brains.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:39:49 PM
I'm not sure those stats are really backing up your point very well. I see that he has 22 CL goals over the past three years, that he has scored against PSG, Arsenal, Real Madrid, Atletico Madrid, and Juventus, in addition to scoring plenty against everyone else.

He's quite clearly a world-class striker.
World class strikers perform in the big games, not against Bundesliga dross when you're playing for a side miles ahead of the rest.  Are you impressed with Cavani for scoring 82 league goals in the last 3 years in Ligue 1?

He rarely does (perform in big games), the only one I can remember was in the CL semi a few years ago against Atletico.  Goals in the big games are what separate the world class from just "very good", Lewandowski isnt world class imo (ignoring Messi and Ronaldo in this, man. They're not comparible to anyone). Yes he's very good but aye.. overrated

Yes, because 82 goals in 3 years is f***ing impressive ffs :lol: they’re not up against pub league teams. The likes of Cavani and Lewandowski take the p*ss out of professional footballers on a weekly basis.

Messi and Ronaldo being superhuman has melted people's brains.
He's had the likes of Neymar, Mbappe, Draxler, Di Maria, Rabiot, Pastore, Verratti, Lucas around him playing against Vincent Manceau

Same applies (to a slightly lesser extent) to Lewa over the last few years
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:44:31 PM
Who I’m sure makes plenty of money playing professional football. He’s not putting in a shift at a call center after practice.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:49:07 PM
Unless they go ahead and set up that European super league and they both fall flat every week, you’re never going to be able to make a convincing case that the likes of Lewandowski and Cavani are “overrated.” All they can do is score goals against the teams in front of them, which they both do with incredible efficiency.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:54:42 PM
He’s like the 11th highest ever goalscorer from Europe with Poland. Will almost certainly take over Ibrahimovic and will likely take over Klose to nestle in behind Puskas and Ronny.

He’ll be lethal regardless of which league he plays.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:55:15 PM
Unless they go ahead and set up that European super league and they both fall flat every week, you’re never going to be able to make a convincing case that the likes of Lewandowski and Cavani are “overrated.” All they can do is score goals against the teams in front of them, which they both do with incredible efficiency.
Until they (he, Lewa) get to important games in final stages of the biggest international compeitions against the best teams :shifty: World class players can/would do it then, though
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 08:59:08 PM
Unless they go ahead and set up that European super league and they both fall flat every week, you’re never going to be able to make a convincing case that the likes of Lewandowski and Cavani are “overrated.” All they can do is score goals against the teams in front of them, which they both do with incredible efficiency.
Until they (he, Lewa) get to important games in final stages of the biggest international compeitions against the best teams :shifty: World class players can/would do it then, though

Nah, that’s nonsense. Messi/Ronaldo setting the bar so incredibly high that you forget that there are other players today who are genuinely exceptional and/or among the best who’ve ever played in their own right.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 09:03:46 PM


Unless they go ahead and set up that European super league and they both fall flat every week, you’re never going to be able to make a convincing case that the likes of Lewandowski and Cavani are “overrated.” All they can do is score goals against the teams in front of them, which they both do with incredible efficiency.
Until they (he, Lewa) get to important games in final stages of the biggest international compeitions against the best teams :shifty: World class players can/would do it then, though

Does that mean Kane isn't world class because he hasn't done it yet?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 09:05:25 PM
I'd take Benzema before Lewandowski. Now there's an unpopular opinion
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 09:06:44 PM


Unless they go ahead and set up that European super league and they both fall flat every week, you’re never going to be able to make a convincing case that the likes of Lewandowski and Cavani are “overrated.” All they can do is score goals against the teams in front of them, which they both do with incredible efficiency.
Until they (he, Lewa) get to important games in final stages of the biggest international compeitions against the best teams :shifty: World class players can/would do it then, though

Does that mean Kane isn't world class because he hasn't done it yet?
He hasnt had many tries like Lewandowski
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 09:08:10 PM
I'd take Benzema before Lewandowski. Now there's an unpopular opinion
That not obvious? If people disagree with that it completely proves my point man :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 09:11:12 PM
I'd take Benzema before Lewandowski. Now there's an unpopular opinion
That not obvious? If people disagree with that it completely proves my point man
Dunno, think people underrate Benzema because he doesn't score as many. Unbelievable team player
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 09:12:37 PM
You think that’s unpopular? I’d take Rondon ahead of him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 09:25:40 PM
You think that’s unpopular? I’d take Rondon ahead of him.

:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 10:10:06 PM
You think that’s unpopular? I’d take Rondon ahead of him.
He's scored against Barcelona, Real Madrid, Man Utd, Liverpool, Tottenham, Inter Milan and Argentina.  Good shout
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 19 June 2018, 10:17:47 PM
You think that’s unpopular? I’d take Rondon ahead of him.

:lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 June 2018, 09:48:32 AM
This seems like another knee-jerk World Cup "hottake" tbh.

:thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Raconteur on Friday 22 June 2018, 05:50:51 AM


Unless they go ahead and set up that European super league and they both fall flat every week, you’re never going to be able to make a convincing case that the likes of Lewandowski and Cavani are “overrated.” All they can do is score goals against the teams in front of them, which they both do with incredible efficiency.
Until they (he, Lewa) get to important games in final stages of the biggest international compeitions against the best teams :shifty: World class players can/would do it then, though

Does that mean Kane isn't world class because he hasn't done it yet?

Isn’t it only English people who think this?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HawK on Tuesday 3 July 2018, 12:37:41 PM
Piqué's missus should leave him for Shaquiri.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 3 July 2018, 02:18:39 PM
Unpopular opinion, but I don't really rate Lukaku all that much.

I've been wrong when it comes to strikers and I'll be wrong again, but I just don't really like him.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 3 July 2018, 06:12:19 PM
I think he’s class. :lol:

I must have a fetish for young former Anderlecht strikers.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 3 July 2018, 06:20:58 PM
Unpopular opinion, but I don't really rate Lukaku all that much.

I've been wrong when it comes to strikers and I'll be wrong again, but I just don't really like him.

Same, I've said this loads. He has his moments but I can see why Mourinho decided against him. I'll look silly when they win the World Cup now.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 3 July 2018, 06:23:53 PM
He scored 21 goals in the league & Champions League tbf.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Bimpy474 on Tuesday 3 July 2018, 09:53:35 PM
Love a penalty shoot out  :cheesy:

Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 3 July 2018, 10:44:51 PM
He scored 21 goals in the league & Champions League tbf.

How many against the top 6?
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Wednesday 4 July 2018, 02:13:40 AM
Unpopular opinion, but I don't really rate Lukaku all that much.

I've been wrong when it comes to strikers and I'll be wrong again, but I just don't really like him.

He doesn’t have the penalty box movement to be world-class. He will always score goals but he’s no better than Giroud for example in many experts and therefore kind of limited. He’s a very good CF though and seems to have worked hard on his movement, but it’s not natural. Shearer for example wasn't renowned for his movement, but his positioning was something else in the box, natural even though you couldn’t say he was a penalty box type striker. In that area though he was deadly come cross, slide pass, loose ball or getting away from a defender to make an opening. Lukaku does have everything else mind. The game has changed so it’s kind of tough on him to expect him to be everything and anything, despite his goal tally for them, I think Man Utd do not play to his strengths and he feeds a lot on scraps. he’s much more suited to how Belgium play. Harry Kane is a class above IMO, his positioning and movement inside the box is spot on, yet he’s not used in that way so much which for me means he’s a word-class player as he can be that fox in the box player or a CF in the traditional sense outside of the box while still being deadly and able to score lots of goals.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Away Day Gadgie on Wednesday 4 July 2018, 03:37:39 AM
I’m sure i read somewhere not long ago that he has an outrageous amount of goals for someone his age compared to some of the greats at similar stages of their careers.  If he continues in that kind of vein then people won’t be able to argue with the numbers.

I’ve always rated him since he was at West Brom as a teenager and he was bullying Premier League defenders for fun.  The bloke is a beast but i could see why he wouldn’t be everyone’s cup of tea as he’s not the most elegant player.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Stottie on Wednesday 4 July 2018, 03:51:23 AM
Lukaku's run inside in the final minute dragged Nagatomo away, creating the huge space on Japan's left that Belgium exploited for the last minute winner.

Lukaku may end up like Rooney or the real Ronaldo in doing too much, too young in a body not built for longevity, but he's a definite top striker.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Pata on Wednesday 4 July 2018, 11:59:57 AM
Lukaku's run inside in the final minute dragged Nagatomo away, creating the huge space on Japan's left that Belgium exploited for the last minute winner.

Lukaku may end up like Rooney or the real Ronaldo in doing too much, too young in a body not built for longevity, but he's a definite top striker.

Yup, that goal was all Lukaku despite him not touching the ball.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: UncleBingo on Wednesday 4 July 2018, 12:02:16 PM
Delle Alli is s**** imho.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: joeyt on Wednesday 4 July 2018, 12:32:15 PM
I mean he's not though is he
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 4 July 2018, 12:35:00 PM
He's not s****, he's not in good form at the moment.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 7 July 2018, 10:06:07 AM
The relentless Coming Home bants is getting a bit tedious.  :-X
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: neesy111 on Saturday 7 July 2018, 10:11:04 AM
He's not s****, he's not in good form at the moment.

Or fit by the looks of it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: shakey jake on Saturday 7 July 2018, 10:14:49 AM
The relentless Coming Home bants is getting a bit tedious.  :-X

Fact. Irritates the s*** out of me.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 7 July 2018, 10:16:41 AM
Depends. I think some of the clips have been quality.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 7 July 2018, 11:20:51 AM
It's gone a bit too over-the-top. I can't get on transport, go to a shop or walk past reception at work without someone shouting it.

Was at Honest Burger the other night and some bloke stuck his head through the window and started screaming it.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Saturday 7 July 2018, 11:35:11 AM
I find it unreasonably funny tbh. It’s canny when the country is brought together by something positive.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 7 July 2018, 11:58:08 AM
The relentless Coming Home bants is getting a bit tedious.  :-X

:lol: you lot are going to be the absolute worst when you win it

Simultaneously elated and yet full of self-loathing for having been made to feel positive human emotion.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Saturday 7 July 2018, 12:10:42 PM
 :lol: :thup:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 7 July 2018, 12:13:39 PM
The relentless Coming Home bants is getting a bit tedious.  :-X

:lol: you lot are going to be the absolute worst when you win it

Simultaneously elated and yet full of self-loathing for having been made to feel positive human emotion.
We arn’t f***ing winning it man.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: madras on Saturday 7 July 2018, 12:33:31 PM
I prefer Vindaloo to Its coming home.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Saturday 7 July 2018, 12:59:57 PM
I prefer Vindaloo to Its coming home.

Aye, can’t beat a curry!
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: sadnesstan on Saturday 7 July 2018, 01:18:32 PM
I always get my curry delivered so that I can sing "It's coming home" until it get's here.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: ManDoon on Saturday 7 July 2018, 01:40:14 PM
Delle Alli is s**** imho.

 :lol:
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: HTT on Saturday 7 July 2018, 01:47:36 PM
I think he has the makings of a top player, but he is playing as if he’s been playing too much football at the WC and it’s catching up with him. Hopefully a big big performance from him today if he plays.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 7 July 2018, 01:56:01 PM
I prefer Vindaloo to Its coming home.
This might be the most hipster opinion ever expressed in writing.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 7 July 2018, 02:01:23 PM
It's gone a bit too over-the-top. I can't get on transport, go to a shop or walk past reception at work without someone shouting it.

Was at Honest Burger the other night and some bloke stuck his head through the window and started screaming it.

That's more what I'm on about in fairness. The stuff on the internet has been good craic; but folks just randomly belching it down your earhole I can live without.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 7 July 2018, 02:02:26 PM
It is coming home though, Yorkie.
Title: Re: The unpopular football opinion thread
Post by: Parsley on Saturday 7 July 2018, 11:35:05 PM