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Title: Sam Allardyce
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:46:16 PM
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Despite the club providing free transport for Rovers supporters for Wednesday’s trip to Villa Park, only 1,500 tickets have been sold from an allocation of 4,000.

He said: “The players are delighted to be in the semi-final. They’ve worked hard and they’re very excited about it. If the fans aren't as excited as we are, that’s hard luck.

“I don’t know why they booed. Fans seem to think they are much bigger experts than ever before, so they portray their disapproval more vociferously.

“That’s the problem we face, not just in football but everyday life. You look at the negativity around football and it’s filled with it.

“It’s such a wonderful game, but you wonder why people bother watching it if they are only going to be negative.

They [supporters] will be moaning like mad, though, when we get to the final and they can’t get a ticket.

“They’ll sell out in a day, but we’ll look forward to the aggravation of everybody ringing up and us not having enough tickets to give to our fans.”

Allardyce admits he is using images of trophies lifted by predecessors Kenny Dalglish and Graeme Souness as motivational tools for his players.

He said: “We’ve got pictures of Kenny and Souey with their trophies and I’ve had them put up in the corridor at Ewood Park.

“I don’t want people to forget the recent history of this football club, even though I think that sometimes the fans here are a bit more critical because of it.

“At Bolton, we had pictures on the wall of European nights. We got there twice and they’d never been there before.

“It would have been Champions League as well, but they didn’t want it, so I buggered off.

“You can get bogged down thinking about Premier League safety and the millions it brings.

“The winning feeling is what we strive for and winning the Carling Cup would allow us to create our own history at the club.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/blackburn/7028179/Sam-Allardyce-hits-out-at-negative-Blackburn-fans-ahead-of-Carling-Cup-semi-final.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/blackburn/7028179/Sam-Allardyce-hits-out-at-negative-Blackburn-fans-ahead-of-Carling-Cup-semi-final.html)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:49:17 PM
maybe they just don't like you sam
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:50:09 PM
i really hope villa give them a good pasting  :thup:
got nowt against blackburn as such, i just can't stand allardyce
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:50:40 PM
Dont play negative football and fans wouldn't feel the same way.


People who live in glass houses...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:51:00 PM
He's on the brink of being booted or leaving imo.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:53:42 PM
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we’ll look forward to the aggravation of everybody ringing up and us not having enough tickets to give to our fans.”

If Blackburn win, he would it seems then be happy if the club did not  have enough tickets for the fans!!! What a c***
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shak on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:53:51 PM
Allardyce calling other people negative? :lol:

He actually has somewhat of a point though, even if he is cock.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toonlass on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:54:02 PM
What did the pot just call the kettle?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:55:57 PM
(http://www.serialmouse.com/wp-content/themes/green-marinee/images/potKettle_enough.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 12:56:29 PM
what was the pre-match interview he gave here before, i think it was derby at home, and he was on about trying to get a point?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:00:04 PM
He said similar here before he was sacked. Must be one of his stages of grief.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gray on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:03:14 PM
Quote from: BFS
“It would have been Champions League as well, but they didn’t want it, so I buggered off.

Is he saying he could have got Bolton into the Champions league, but Bolton didn't want to get into the champions league?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:04:30 PM
Sam getting sacked again would be great but remember its not HIS fault.  Its the fans and expectations.

How dare they want to watch their team play FOOTBALL.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Brummiemag on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:05:14 PM
Even based on Blackburn's average home attendances which must be above 20,000,  to only sell 1,500 tickets (with free transport) is a truly shocking turnout for a semi final of a major cup competition. 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:07:40 PM
Even based on Blackburn's average home attendances which must be above 20,000,  to only sell 1,500 tickets (with free transport) is a truly shocking turnout for a semi final of a major cup competition. 

Eeasy said when Sam Allerdyce isn't your manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ash on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:10:15 PM
If they got to the final they wouldn't even sell all of their tickets, nevermind sell out in a day.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Happy Face on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:10:55 PM
Deluded Blackburn fans.

 :nope:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:10:56 PM
If they got to the final they wouldn't even sell all of their tickets, nevermind sell out in a day.

Big Sam would need ll the seats anyway for his ego.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:12:10 PM
one comment he made here about him knowing more than the fans because he's played football etc, f***ing made flip
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:12:18 PM
That man just makes friends wherever he goes
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ash on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:14:19 PM
If they got to the final they wouldn't even sell all of their tickets, nevermind sell out in a day.

Big Sam would need ll the seats anyway for his ego.

You'd need to extend Wembley for that.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Brummiemag on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:16:17 PM
Even based on Blackburn's average home attendances which must be above 20,000,  to only sell 1,500 tickets (with free transport) is a truly shocking turnout for a semi final of a major cup competition. 

Eeasy said when Sam Allerdyce isn't your manager.

Good point, but all things considered its still a disappointing turnout
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:18:14 PM
Even based on Blackburn's average home attendances which must be above 20,000,  to only sell 1,500 tickets (with free transport) is a truly shocking turnout for a semi final of a major cup competition. 

Eeasy said when Sam Allerdyce isn't your manager.

Good point, but all things considered its still a disappointing turnout

even with allardyce we took 6,000 to blackburn, for a semi final we could take 20,000 tbh
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:26:16 PM
Allardyce really is deluded. Scarily so.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:30:30 PM
That Champions League comment. :spit:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Roger Kint on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:30:46 PM
Blackburn fan committee bloke on talkSHITE just basically said everything we all said when Sam was here, negative tactics, no plan B, players out of position, playing to not lose etc strangely though he wasnt shouted down like when we said it......

Good times for media hypocrasy mind, some are pushing the return of King Kenny to save Liverpool, oh the irony ;D
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:32:01 PM
Bolton in the Champions League :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:34:45 PM
I hope Villa hump them.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallace on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:35:41 PM
Just had a Blackburn fan on the radio and it all sounds so familiar.

- Terrible football (wouldn't mind if they were winning).  Just launch it upfield all the time hoping for the best.
- Disastrous away record
- If they concede first, they know they have lost the game
- Everyone else's fault except his
- Played better football under Neil McDonald

I wonder if Blackburn fans will get the same criticism as we did for their views.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:40:33 PM
I hate Sam Allardyce probably more than any other living human... what a total dickhead.

The fact that he's dillusional as well as s*** only adds to his punchability.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 01:59:52 PM
My take is that once Allardyce is sacked at Blackburn - which is inevitable given his haphazard signing policy and awful football - Fat Sam will never work at the top level again. It'll be a great day for English football when this dinosaur is put to rest and we can see a new breed of English coaches more in the image of Roy Hodgson and Keegan. Football coaches who play a style which makes fans want to spend their Saturday afternoons at the match.

Don't expect the media to admit that us demented Newcastle fans were right all along though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 02:02:39 PM
My take is that once Allardyce is sacked at Blackburn - which is inevitable given his haphazard signing policy and awful football - Fat Sam will never work at the top level again. It'll be a great day for English football when this dinosaur is put to rest and we can see a new breed of English coaches more in the image of Roy Hodgson and Keegan. Football coaches who play a style which makes fans want to spend their Saturday afternoons at the match.

Don't expect the media to admit that us demented Newcastle fans were right all along though.
Does any one know any Blackburn fans? They weren't happy when we originally warned them about Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 02:10:49 PM
Blame the foreigners ... check

Blame the fans ... check

Blame the owners ... check

Blame the lack of funds ... check

Just another crap manager who can't accept that he has no talent and cannot do the job. No more excuses fat head! If teams like Burnley can manage to play something actually resembling football what the hell is the excuse for this stupid man?! He has enough decent players there to play a far more attractive game than they currently are for sure and to get better results too. Just doesn't get it. Complete cretin.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 02:33:49 PM
His comments are kind of true, but he's such a misery. Imagine living with THAT!! I can see him being unemployed in the near future too
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 03:27:38 PM
(http://www.serialmouse.com/wp-content/themes/green-marinee/images/potKettle_enough.jpg)

:mackems:

That so has to be used in Family Guy.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Skeletor on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 04:16:32 PM
His comments are kind of true, but he's such a misery. Imagine living with THAT!! I can see him being unemployed in the near future too

He's probably the reason Phil Brown has so many mental issues.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 05:33:19 PM
I hate the man, would love to see Blackburn go down.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 05:34:04 PM
I still can't quite grasp the fact he thought Bolton would make the Champions League :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 05:36:10 PM
On 606 sport all the Blackburn fans are turning on him, and loads of geordies are telling them 'we told you so' but ofcourse we're deluded and never give managers a chance! :frantic:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: HGB1892 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 05:39:50 PM
Just as he get's his P45 i hope his f***ing heart explodes.

It wil be a great day for football when he gets sacked.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 05:43:34 PM
Just as he get's his P45 i hope his f***ing heart explodes.

It wil be a great day for football when he gets sacked.

 :lol: What a pretty little thought
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 06:00:18 PM
what a f***ing knob, i was all for giving him time, how wrong i was.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 06:09:29 PM
Just as he get's his P45 i hope his f***ing heart explodes.

It wil be a great day for football when he gets sacked.

 :lol: What a pretty little thought

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: HTT on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 07:07:57 PM
Getting rid of Big Sam was Mike Ashley's biggest mistake and the start of the end for him and indeed the club under his ownership.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shak on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 07:19:20 PM
(http://ipoopexcellence.com/images/at-first-i-was-like-but-then-i-lold.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 07:40:05 PM
My take is that once Allardyce is sacked at Blackburn - which is inevitable given his haphazard signing policy and awful football - Fat Sam will never work at the top level again. It'll be a great day for English football when this dinosaur is put to rest and we can see a new breed of English coaches more in the image of Roy Hodgson and Keegan. Football coaches who play a style which makes fans want to spend their Saturday afternoons at the match.

Don't expect the media to admit that us demented Newcastle fans were right all along though.

I think there is starting to be a shift towards more football friendly managers. Even Bolton have made a move to appease the fans with a manager who prefers a more attacking game.

Interesting to see Blackburn fans have the same criticisms of him as we did.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 07:43:02 PM
My take is that once Allardyce is sacked at Blackburn - which is inevitable given his haphazard signing policy and awful football - Fat Sam will never work at the top level again. It'll be a great day for English football when this dinosaur is put to rest and we can see a new breed of English coaches more in the image of Roy Hodgson and Keegan. Football coaches who play a style which makes fans want to spend their Saturday afternoons at the match.

Don't expect the media to admit that us demented Newcastle fans were right all along though.

I think there is starting to be a shift towards more football friendly managers. Even Bolton have made a move to appease the fans with a manager who prefers a more attacking game.

Interesting to see Blackburn fans have the same criticisms of him as we did.

Everyone gets tired of watching dross especially when you keep getting hammered.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:00:29 PM
Getting rid of Big Sam was Mike Ashley's biggest mistake and the start of the end for him and indeed the club under his ownership.

biggest pile of s****, i've heard spouted on this forum

2 wins in 14 games relegation form, his sacking kept us in the premiership for one more season
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:13:06 PM
 :yikes:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:20:24 PM
Getting rid of Big Sam was Mike Ashley's biggest mistake and the start of the end for him and indeed the club under his ownership.

Stuborn just isn't the word :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:23:06 PM
What the f*** are they doing? Stern talking to at half time coming up methinks.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:28:57 PM
 :mackems:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:31:03 PM
Maybe he'll talk to them over the stadium tannoy system :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:37:20 PM
Go blackburn go !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw39f8hqIjM
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: elbee909 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 08:41:26 PM
Getting rid of Big Sam was Mike Ashley's biggest mistake and the start of the end for him and indeed the club under his ownership.

Sam's been found out, that's all there is to it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:13:48 PM

Completley disagree. It needed to be done, his mistake was not sticking by Keegan.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:31:35 PM
In the grand scheme of things, it was a mistake getting rid of Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months later.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:32:26 PM
Wonder if Allardyce's tactics tonight were influenced by the fans more than he's letting on?

Nine goals in the game and his team scored four of them, away from home. Comical timing. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:34:35 PM
God i hope Blackburn get relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:36:40 PM
In the grand scheme of things, it was a mistake getting rid of Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months later.
Why? Did you want us to get relegated 12 months earlier instead?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:38:31 PM
In the grand scheme of things, it was a mistake getting rid of Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months later.

Nah, not replacing him properly was the mistake.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:41:16 PM
Anyone under the illusion that we were getting relegated in 2008 needs to look at the table at the end of 2007.

Allardyce would have taken us nowhere, but we would never have been relegated under him, no chance.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:43:17 PM
Anyone under the illusion that we were getting relegated in 2008 needs to look at the table at the end of 2007.

Allardyce would have taken us nowhere, but we would never have been relegated under him, no chance.


:no:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:45:10 PM
We wouldn't have got relegated if we had Keegan for the whole 2008-09 season though...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:45:46 PM
It took a very, very special combined effort from Kinnear, Hughton and Shearer to take us down. Allardyce wouldn't have started Butt or Shola and might have even (pure speculation) dropped Owen when it was clear he was contributing f*** all last season.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Parky on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:45:50 PM
10 goal thriller Blackburn away. NOt as negative as was made out back in the day?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:47:04 PM
It took a very, very special combined effort from Kinnear, Hughton and Shearer to take us down. Allardyce wouldn't have started Butt or Shola and might have even (pure speculation) dropped Owen when it was clear he was contributing f*** all last season.

He did go to Derby solely focussed on "not getting beat" though, because it was "a difficult place to come"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:47:24 PM
It took a very, very special combined effort from Kinnear, Hughton and Shearer to take us down. Allardyce wouldn't have started Butt or Shola and might have even (pure speculation) dropped Owen when it was clear he was contributing f*** all last season.

Owen was never ever going to contribute anything under a sam allerdyce team. 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:49:11 PM
He was terrible, but by no means as bad as those 3.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:49:34 PM
It took a very, very special combined effort from Kinnear, Hughton and Shearer to take us down. Allardyce wouldn't have started Butt or Shola and might have even (pure speculation) dropped Owen when it was clear he was contributing f*** all last season.

How the f*** do you work that out when someone like Geremi was the cornerstone of his team.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:51:35 PM
Erm, because he seemed to make it a priority to replace Butt the second he was given the job.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:52:10 PM
It took a very, very special combined effort from Kinnear, Hughton and Shearer to take us down. Allardyce wouldn't have started Butt or Shola and might have even (pure speculation) dropped Owen when it was clear he was contributing f*** all last season.

How the f*** do you work that out when someone like Geremi was the cornerstone of his team.

Exactly. The liverpool game stands out to me, the organization was a shambles. Nobody on the right hand side all game. If it wasn't for Given we would ave lost 11 or 12-0. We didnt have a shot or corner all game!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:52:44 PM
Erm, because he seemed to make it a priority to replace Butt the second he was given the job.

Why did he keep Butt in the team and play Smith on the right wing then?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:53:02 PM
Erm, because he seemed to make it a priority to replace Butt the second he was given the job.

how, nicky butt played most of the games under him
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:53:30 PM
Erm, because he seemed to make it a priority to replace Butt the second he was given the job.

getting your facts wrong again, also he gave him a new contract
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:53:49 PM
I have to admit I never thought Allardyce was taking us down, even as s**** as we were under him and however much I hate him now. We'd have ground out enough points to survive IMO. Don't forget that when he went we were in 11th position on 26 points; 9 above the relegation zone: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2007-2008/table/2008-01-02

In true Ronaldo style I can confirm I posted the same when we sacked him too. :razz:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:54:11 PM
Ronaldo lad, you dont have a leg to stand on.  Your trying to change history.  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:55:17 PM
Ronaldo lad, you dont have a leg to stand on.  Your trying to change history.  :lol:

No, history is just wrong.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:57:17 PM
Barton was injured for a lot of Allardyce's time here. I honestly can't see Allardyce playing Butt to the extent we actually did last season. He's not a stupid as Kinnear, Hughton or Shearer.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 09:59:51 PM
I have to admit I never thought Allardyce was taking us down, even as s**** as we were under him and however much I hate him now. We'd have ground out enough points to survive IMO. Don't forget that when he went we were in 11th position on 26 points; 9 above the relegation zone: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2007-2008/table/2008-01-02

In true Ronaldo style I can confirm I posted the same when we sacked him too. :razz:

2 wins in 14 games, and remember keegan's fixture list was very hard for his first 8-9 games

he was taking us down no doubt's imo
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:00:32 PM
Barton was injured for a lot of Allardyce's time here. I honestly can't see Allardyce playing Butt to the extent we actually did last season. He's not a stupid as Kinnear, Hughton or Shearer.

he's the worst of the lot imo
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:01:36 PM
I can see Hughton or Shearer getting us to 9th in December. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:01:47 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:03:24 PM
I can see Hughton or Shearer getting us to 9th in December. :rolleyes:

yeah after having the easiest set of fixtures

remember we we're lucky to win most of the games under allardyce
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:04:15 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.

sorry how do you not see 2 wins in 14 games as not being relegation form?!?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:07:04 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.

sorry how do you not see 2 wins in 14 games as not being relegation form?!?

How many wins in 14 did all the teams below us have? Can't have been many more if any at all.

Derby were the worst team ever as well so there were only two spots to worry about.

Don't get me wrong; he was utter s*** and I was glad to see the back of him. I just didn't think we were in a great deal of relegation trouble when he went.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:07:47 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.

sorry how do you not see 2 wins in 14 games as not being relegation form?!?

Well its form for a start, and look at how we went down this time. It took 3 incompetent managers to take us down, and even then, 1 point, in fact 1 goal and we'd have stayed up. We were nowhere near being as s*** as relegation candidates.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Frazzle on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:08:30 PM
I can see Hughton or Shearer getting us to 9th in December. :rolleyes:

What's that got to do with anything?  As someone said, we wouldn't have gone down with Keegan in charge all season.  It's irrelevant what Hughton/Kinnear/Shearer did.  So sacking Allardyce wasn't the problem, it was getting rid of Keegan.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:10:12 PM
That's not the discussion here though, we all know Keegan wouldn't have taken us down.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:10:59 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.

sorry how do you not see 2 wins in 14 games as not being relegation form?!?

How many wins in 14 did all the teams below us have? Can't have been many more if any at all.

Derby were the worst team ever as well so there were only two spots to worry about.

Don't get me wrong; he was utter s*** and I was glad to see the back of him. I just didn't think we were in a great deal of relegation trouble when he went.

if you thought allardyce would of done better with the fixtures keegan had until we got the 4 wins under keegan, then i believe your wrong!

keegan had away games to villa, liverpool and arsenal x 2. and a home game v utd
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Doug on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:11:12 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.
Do you not remember Derby away or the first 10 mins of Portsmouth at home, that team was relegation bound under Allardyce no doubt about it in my mind. It was written all over it at his point of departure which was not a moment too soon.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:12:00 PM
Anyone under the illusion that we were getting relegated in 2008 needs to look at the table at the end of 2007.

Allardyce would have taken us nowhere, but we would never have been relegated under him, no chance.


We had a p*ss easy start, hence the run of matches after the fat-headed managerial fraudster was binned inlcuded Man Utd twice, Arsenal, Liverpool, Villa and Tottenham away. We were going 1 way under him, down
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Frazzle on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:14:28 PM
That's not the discussion here though, we all know Keegan wouldn't have taken us down.

So sacking Allardyce wasn't a mistake then (your original argument) it was getting rid of Keegan.  Otherwise you could just as well say that sacking Roeder was a mistake because we got relegated 2 seasons later, the logic doesn't work.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:14:31 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.
Do you not remember Derby away or the first 10 mins of Portsmouth at home, that team was relegation bound under Allardyce no doubt about it in my mind. It was written all over it at his point of departure which was not a moment too soon.

Aye I do remember, except that you seem to be forgetting that for as s*** as we were (and Im not disputing that) there were others that were far far shitter than us, and in shitter form. This was the season when Derby were in the league for one. We might have been in relegation form, but other teams' relegation for lasted the entire season.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:15:11 PM
And we wouldn't have beaten Fulham, the mackems and Reading under Allardyce?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:16:27 PM
Allardyce would never have taken us down, only blind dislike for the man can bring you to that conclusion.

Ronaldo, I dunno about your point about Owen mind. I vividly remember a few matches where he contributed nothing under Allardyce and it being Martins who was always the one to make way, even when Martins looked like our only attacking threat.

sorry how do you not see 2 wins in 14 games as not being relegation form?!?

How many wins in 14 did all the teams below us have? Can't have been many more if any at all.

Derby were the worst team ever as well so there were only two spots to worry about.

Don't get me wrong; he was utter s*** and I was glad to see the back of him. I just didn't think we were in a great deal of relegation trouble when he went.

if you thought allardyce would of done better with the fixtures keegan had until we got the 4 wins under keegan, then i believe your wrong!

keegan had away games to villa, liverpool and arsenal x 2. and a home game v utd

Eh? I'm not saying Allardyce would have done anything in those games. Keegan had it tougher because he wanted to change everything about the team and the club. The players weren't good enough for what he wanted.

s*** as Allardyce was, I think over the remaining games we'd have picked up the requisite points. We only needed 11 points from 17 games after all.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:16:36 PM
That's not the discussion here though, we all know Keegan wouldn't have taken us down.

So sacking Allardyce wasn't a mistake then (your original argument) it was getting rid of Keegan.  Otherwise you could just as well say that sacking Roeder was a mistake because we got relegated 2 seasons later, the logic doesn't work.

We genuinely improved under Allardyce though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:17:14 PM
And we wouldn't have beaten Fulham, the mackems and Reading under Allardyce?

he didn't beat derby in 2 games!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:18:06 PM
That's not the discussion here though, we all know Keegan wouldn't have taken us down.

So sacking Allardyce wasn't a mistake then (your original argument) it was getting rid of Keegan.  Otherwise you could just as well say that sacking Roeder was a mistake because we got relegated 2 seasons later, the logic doesn't work.

We genuinely improved under Allardyce though.

that is the worst arguement i've ever heard, improved we looked better with roeder
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:18:11 PM
And we wouldn't have beaten Fulham, the mackems and Reading under Allardyce?

We won 2 of his last 12 matches via last minute winners against teams who finished in the bottom 4.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Keefaz on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:18:14 PM
I'm honestly not sure what Ronaldo is arguing here.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Doctor Zaius on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:19:07 PM
As much as I hate him and his fat heed he's got a point. When he took them over about a year and a bit ago they were 2nd bottom. They're now 12th and have reached the semi finals of a cup competition. What are they're complaining about? They're making progress ffs!

However that dosent go to say his time here wasnt a disaster, I dont mind Long ball football IF it works but using Alan Smith as a target man was never ever going to work. He came here and tried to use his tactics from Bolton, that would have been fine if we had the palyers to implement it, but we blatently didnt, I mean he didnt even attempt to buy players to suit his tactics, Rozenhal, Geremi and Barton arnt players you would expect to see him buying if he wants to play the phsyical long ball game. I doubt he would have taken us down but but we were getting sucked into a relegation battle and you could see the players had lost all confidence and morale, hence in my opinion why we got stuffed off Man utd and it took Keegan 10 games or whatever to win a game.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Frazzle on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:19:44 PM
That's not the discussion here though, we all know Keegan wouldn't have taken us down.

So sacking Allardyce wasn't a mistake then (your original argument) it was getting rid of Keegan.  Otherwise you could just as well say that sacking Roeder was a mistake because we got relegated 2 seasons later, the logic doesn't work.

We genuinely improved under Allardyce though.

Again, I'm not sure how this is relevant to your argument.  We were improving under Keegan as well and more quickly than under Allardyce.

None is that is really relevant to the argument that sacking Allardyce was a mistake, as I said, we didn't get relegated because we sacked Allardyce, it's because we didn't stick with a replacement for more than a couple of months.  Otherwise, using your logic, as I said, you may just as well say sacking Roeder was a mistake because we got relegated fairly soon afterwards.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Atticus on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:20:22 PM
I'm honestly not sure what Ronaldo is arguing here.

Same s***, different day.

Your signature is fantastic btw, got a chuckle out of me.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:21:10 PM
What's your point?

We got most of our points under Allardyce that season, to suggest Keegan saved us wrong.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:21:18 PM
I'm honestly not sure what Ronaldo is arguing here.

 :lol:

Welcome to Ronaldo.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Keefaz on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:22:18 PM
I'm honestly not sure what Ronaldo is arguing here.

 :lol:

Welcome to Ronaldo.

Sometimes he argues what he feels is right and I respect him for that, but other times he just seems to be like one of those girls who starts arguments for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:22:42 PM
That's not the discussion here though, we all know Keegan wouldn't have taken us down.

So sacking Allardyce wasn't a mistake then (your original argument) it was getting rid of Keegan.  Otherwise you could just as well say that sacking Roeder was a mistake because we got relegated 2 seasons later, the logic doesn't work.

We genuinely improved under Allardyce though.

that is the worst arguement i've ever heard, improved we looked better with roeder

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Frazzle on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:24:58 PM
What's your point?

We got most of our points under Allardyce that season, to suggest Keegan saved us wrong.

I'm not saying that.  ???  I'm saying you can't say: "In the grand scheme of things, it was a mistake getting rid of Allardyce because we got relegated 16 months later" as it is logically inaccurate.  All I'm saying is that the Allardyce sacking wasn't the problem it's the fact that we didn't stick with his replacement.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:25:00 PM
What's your point?

We got most of our points under Allardyce that season, to suggest Keegan saved us wrong.

Allardyce had a p*ss easy start to the season.
Allardyce went to Derby and played for a draw.
Allardyce has no plan B bar throwing a big lad up top.
Allardyce is a fat-headed managerial fraud.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: eddco on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:25:32 PM
Sacking Allardyce is the only thing I can give Mike Ashley a  :clap: for!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:27:15 PM
Sacking Allardyce is the only thing I can give Mike Ashley a  :clap: for!!!

YOWZAH!  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Doctor Zaius on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:28:14 PM
Come on, to say Keegan didnt turn things around is silly. It's bleeding obvious that we started playing better football under Keegan and thus eventually started winning games. Allardyce had a tough run of games to come before he was sacked and we wern't too far off the drop as it was. I'm all for showing faith and getting behind our managers but Allardyce simply had to go, it's weather Keegan despite turning it around was the right man to replace him is the real question.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:29:49 PM
Come on, to say Keegan didnt turn things around is silly. It's bleeding obvious that we started playing better football under Keegan and thus eventually started winning games. Allardyce had a tough run of games to come before he was sacked and we wern't too far off the drop as it was. I'm all for showing faith and getting behind our managers but Allardyce simply had to go, it's weather Keegan despite turning it around was the right man to replace him is the real question.


Not when we're talking about whether Allardyce would have got us relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:29:51 PM
Sacking Allardyce let us to what some of us felt at the time was a very risky managerial appoinment for all the reasons that were vindicated 9 months later.

I hate Allardyce as a manager and love Keegan. But the sacking of Allardyce cannot be called anything but a mistake imo because of the timing and the fact we didn't improve at all in terms of picking up points.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:32:28 PM
I have to admit I never thought Allardyce was taking us down, even as s**** as we were under him and however much I hate him now. We'd have ground out enough points to survive IMO. Don't forget that when he went we were in 11th position on 26 points; 9 above the relegation zone: http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/premier-league/2007-2008/table/2008-01-02

In true Ronaldo style I can confirm I posted the same when we sacked him too. :razz:

Still though we were in 11th due to a good start that had papered over a lot of cracks.  A comparatively easy early run and the fact that he hadn't had enough time to entirely destroy every bit of our players Footballing souls meant we got 17 points from our first 9 games.  We only got 9 points for our next 12 though and if anything we were getting worse and worse rather then better.  IMO we'd either have scraped through by a point or two, or went down had he stayed.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mowen on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:35:27 PM
Sacking Allardyce let us to what some of us felt at the time was a very risky managerial appoinment for all the reasons that were vindicated 9 months later.

I hate Allardyce as a manager and love Keegan. But the sacking of Allardyce cannot be called anything but a mistake imo because of the timing and the fact we didn't improve at all in terms of picking up points.

Overall points no, but we were a much, much better team at the end of the season with much better prospects for the next year. Pretty much everyone who was in that team had their best ever spell for us in that final 10 or so games including the likes of Owen, Viduka, Geremi, Butt, Faye, Harper and possibly Martins too. It was a significantly more capable side than that which Keegan inherited. Shame the owner was such a fuckwit after that.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:37:32 PM
Does anybody on here actually think that Allardyce would have taken us down in 08-09 with the squad we actually had that season?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:38:16 PM
I think we would have gone down it we'd kept Allardyce, we had a nightmare set of games coming up and our players had zero confidence and he was never going to give them a lift.  I can't remember a single player who was performing for him at the end and we had a few away playing in Africa so we were down on numbers.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:41:21 PM
Does anybody on here actually think that Allardyce would have taken us down in 08-09 with the squad we actually had that season?

No, he would have done it a year earlier.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:41:31 PM
Does anybody on here actually think that Allardyce would have taken us down in 08-09 with the squad we actually had that season?

Most people are thinking he would of took us down in 07-08. Just had a look at the table & we were not that far away points wise in 07-08.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Premier_League
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:41:39 PM
Games under Allardyce made everyone hate watching Newcastle. "We're s*** and we're sick of it!" was the chant. Would we have been relegated? Who knows? Nobody knows if we would have been or not for sure. We never got to find out. At least under Keegan people got to enjoy watching football again.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mowen on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:44:20 PM
Does anybody on here actually think that Allardyce would have taken us down in 08-09 with the squad we actually had that season?

Probably not but it's hard to tell. We were in freefall and had had a very easy start to the season, iirc after 19 games we'd played Wigan and Derby twice and were yet to play ManU. It was unlikely but far from impossible, and we'd have been in a scrap - to assert that we'd have no chance of having gone down would be ridiculous. Pretty much how I felt in January last year then. The players weren't playing for him, the fans were sick of what was going on and the whole club had gone a bit sour.

Having said all that I didn't want him sacked at the time.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toonlass on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:45:29 PM
Allardyce sounded like a whiny, bitter little man with his comments tonight. Shut up you big jessie. Blackburn are s****, and don't deserve a Wembley final.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:50:03 PM
Does anybody on here actually think that Allardyce would have taken us down in 08-09 with the squad we actually had that season?

Most people are thinking he would of took us down in 07-08. Just had a look at the table & we were not that far away points wise in 07-08.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Premier_League

We got about 26 of those points under Allardyce though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:51:17 PM
Does anybody on here actually think that Allardyce would have taken us down in 08-09 with the squad we actually had that season?

Maybe, maybe not.  But I don't believe Kinnear or Shearer would have either.  Maybe even Hughton given the whole season could have kept us up.  We got relegated because of our manager leaving, another coming in, another replacing him and then having a heart attack, the second man coming back then a third replacing him for only the last 8 games.  Sacking Allardyce didn't force Ashley to make the most unbelievable mess of a clubs management team in the history of Football.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:54:57 PM
I think a lot of the fan's backlash against Allardyce was because of the way we played, as opposed to results. But folk now are trying to spin it as if it we weren't getting the results either. We were certainly getting enough to stay up, althought the Derby games are very powerful ammunition against that.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mowen on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 10:59:12 PM
I think a lot of the fan's backlash against Allardyce was because of the way we played, as opposed to results. But folk now are trying to spin it as if it we weren't getting the results either. We were certainly getting enough to stay up, althought the Derby games are very powerful ammunition against that.

The performances were so bad you couldn't see where the next points were coming from. Even though it was a win, the Fulham game was atrocious, never seen us play so badly and get three points. Wigan and Liverpool in particular were horrific, need say no more about the Derby game. We had a good start which means the points stat misleads you when looking at the direction we were heading in. At the time I thought we were staying up but I think I'm more level headed about it now and looking just at how we were playing in terms of our ability to win it looks like we could well have gone down to me.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:00:03 PM
I think a lot of the fan's backlash against Allardyce was because of the way we played, as opposed to results. But folk now are trying to spin it as if it we weren't getting the results either. We were certainly getting enough to stay up, althought the Derby games are very powerful ammunition against that.

This.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Frazzle on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:01:08 PM
As people have said though, 2 wins in 14 isn't 'getting results' and with the games he had coming up who's to say it wouldn't be 2 wins in 20+?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:01:14 PM
Far too much of this arguement comes down to pure speculation tbh. But i'm pretty confident that Allardyce would have comfortably got us past the 40 point mark.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:02:26 PM
I think a lot of the fan's backlash against Allardyce was because of the way we played, as opposed to results. But folk now are trying to spin it as if it we weren't getting the results either. We were certainly getting enough to stay up, althought the Derby games are very powerful ammunition against that.

I most definitely questioned both the way we played and our results.  We had the easiest start to any season I can remember and got 17 points from those 9 games.  I remember news reports about our best start for however many years and saying to a friend (as well as on here) that when you actually took the time to look at the teams we'd played and were we'd played them it wasn't impressive at all.  That as soon as we started playing decent teams we'd be in trouble under him.  We then got 9 points from his next 12 games, that was relegation form and I said as much on here.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:04:09 PM
As people have said though, 2 wins in 14 isn't 'getting results' and with the games he had coming up who's to say it wouldn't be 2 wins in 20+?

Keegan himself didn't manage any wins in those first few games. I'm not suggesting we would have done any better away to Arsenal or Villa or at home to Man U but we'd have taken points against the likes of Bolton, Boro, Blackburn, Reading, Sunderland and Fulham imo.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:05:26 PM
I think a lot of the fan's backlash against Allardyce was because of the way we played, as opposed to results. But folk now are trying to spin it as if it we weren't getting the results either. We were certainly getting enough to stay up, althought the Derby games are very powerful ammunition against that.

This.

Easy way to prove that then isn't there, search back through the forum.. :)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:06:23 PM
Far too much of this arguement comes down to pure speculation tbh. But i'm pretty confident that Allardyce would have comfortably got us past the 40 point mark.

Without doubt but as others have said the rot had set in, I am not sure if  he could of turned it around.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Frazzle on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:07:54 PM
As people have said though, 2 wins in 14 isn't 'getting results' and with the games he had coming up who's to say it wouldn't be 2 wins in 20+?

Keegan himself didn't manage any wins in those first few games. I'm not suggesting we would have done any better away to Arsenal or Villa or at home to Man U but we'd have taken points against the likes of Bolton, Boro, Blackburn, Reading, Sunderland and Fulham imo.

I know he didn't and remember I didn't say he DID save us.  I'm just not sure Allardyce would've have won those games, and then after that would he be able to motivate the players to beat the weaker teams.  You've got to bear in mind as well that Keegan quite radically changed our style/structure etc. would Allardyce have changed things around?

Maybe chucked Faye upfront?  :shifty:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:10:19 PM
We had 5 home wins by Decemeber. With Bolton, Boro, B'burn, Fulham, Reading and Sunderland coming up I'm convinced we'd have surpassed the 40 point mark.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: EthiGeordie on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:10:25 PM
I am glad Ashley sack this fat b****** and I never like any of Fat Shep hiring.... Souey... Roder and fat sam
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:12:24 PM
I am glad Ashley sack this fat b****** and I never like any of Fat Shep hiring.... Souey... Roder and fat sam

Bobby?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:17:50 PM
As people have said though, 2 wins in 14 isn't 'getting results' and with the games he had coming up who's to say it wouldn't be 2 wins in 20+?

Keegan himself didn't manage any wins in those first few games. I'm not suggesting we would have done any better away to Arsenal or Villa or at home to Man U but we'd have taken points against the likes of Bolton, Boro, Blackburn, Reading, Sunderland and Fulham imo.

Those first 8 games included Arsenal (a), Villa (a), Manure (h) and Liverpool (a) though.  Of the other four that were actually winnable we got 3 draws and one loss, not great but not that terrible for a manager who was trying to change the way the whole side played amidst some very difficult and morale sapping fixtures.  Once he did sort them out we went on to get 14 points from the next 6 games which made us safe.  I just couldn't see Allardyce getting 17 points from those 16 games given the difficulty of them and how absolutely abysmal he'd made us.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:30:39 PM
I think a lot of the fan's backlash against Allardyce was because of the way we played, as opposed to results. But folk now are trying to spin it as if it we weren't getting the results either. We were certainly getting enough to stay up, althought the Derby games are very powerful ammunition against that.

You can't base the probability of us staying up that season on the points gained at the time he left.  We'd played nearly all of our easy games by the time he'd left and we were not winning them.   Our last 10 games under Allardyce brought us 2 wins, 3 draws and 5 defeats and 5 of our next 10 league games were against very good teams.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gazza ladra on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:49:20 PM
Oh, c'mon Allardyce wouldn't have taken us down. Ashley, Wise, and Kinnear took us down. Without the front office incompetence, the turmoil, lying, and broken promises, the poor management of Kinnear/Shearer, the poor attitude of team leaders (our captain), and some key injuries (Barton), we wouldn't have gone down. Everything went wrong and the club went down--just barely.

Allardyce would never have taken us down.  He would never really move us forward either.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 20 January 2010, 11:51:42 PM
I think a lot of the fan's backlash against Allardyce was because of the way we played, as opposed to results. But folk now are trying to spin it as if it we weren't getting the results either. We were certainly getting enough to stay up, althought the Derby games are very powerful ammunition against that.

You can't base the probability of us staying up that season on the points gained at the time he left.  We'd played nearly all of our easy games by the time he'd left and we were not winning them.   Our last 10 games under Allardyce brought us 2 wins, 3 draws and 5 defeats and 5 of our next 10 league games were against very good teams.

Easy games? We had plenty 'easy' games left when Allardyce was sacked tbh.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: brummie on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:02:06 AM
Blackburn had 4,000 tickets for tonight and only sold just under 2,000 of them. That's a club with some problems, and I suspect the "disconnect" between Allardyce and the fans is at the heart of it.

Fair play to their fans tonight, though, for singing "Heskey's s***, my Lord, Heskey's s***" to the tune of the Paul McGrath song, which was very funny.

Only for us to sing later "Heskey's scored my Lord"

Fair play to them, those that came were good value.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:07:56 AM

Easy games? We had plenty 'easy' games left when Allardyce was sacked tbh.

As easy as Derby?  The worst team in Premiership histor took 4 points off us, that was out of a total of 11 points and they got them under Allardyce.  Which games do you think we would we have won or drawn under Allardyce if we'd kept him?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:09:24 AM
Oh, c'mon Allardyce wouldn't have taken us down. Ashley, Wise, and Kinnear took us down. Without the front office incompetence, the turmoil, lying, and broken promises, the poor management of Kinnear/Shearer, the poor attitude of team leaders (our captain), and some key injuries (Barton), we wouldn't have gone down. Everything went wrong and the club went down--just barely.

Allardyce would never have taken us down.  He would never really move us forward either.

Same question to you, in your opinion, which games would we have drawn or won under Allardyce?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: lovejoy on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:10:11 AM
What's your thoughts on oneill atm brum? I know you wernt his biggest fan earlier in the season?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:13:39 AM

Easy games? We had plenty 'easy' games left when Allardyce was sacked tbh.

As easy as Derby?  The worst team in Premiership histor took 4 points off us, that was out of a total of 11 points and they got them under Allardyce.  Which games do you think we would we have won or drawn under Allardyce if we'd kept him?

As I said a couple of hours back, the Derby games are powerful ammunition and it was only a matter of time before someone used them as such.

We had some good results under Allardyce, as some want to forget. I've listed the games I think we'd have won or at the very least drawn under Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: brummie on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:16:27 AM
What's your thoughts on oneill atm brum? I know you wernt his biggest fan earlier in the season?

He's got some pretty iffy faults.

Tactically, he's pretty dodgy. He's predictable in his transfers, if the way we play doesnt work, we just keep on doing it, you can time his substiotutions to the minute, he's got a weird fixation will full backs and out of position players, we go through spells of playing awfully, but then start performing again.

He's incredibly frustrating, but no matter how annoying he is, he's hard to dislike.

You certainly can't argue with his results.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:16:54 AM
Blackburn had 4,000 tickets for tonight and only sold just under 2,000 of them. That's a club with some problems, and I suspect the "disconnect" between Allardyce and the fans is at the heart of it.

Fair play to their fans tonight, though, for singing "Heskey's s***, my Lord, Heskey's s***" to the tune of the Paul McGrath song, which was very funny.

Only for us to sing later "Heskey's scored my Lord"

Fair play to them, those that came were good value.

Suprised 2k made the effort after the 1st leg no show.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:19:45 AM
What's your thoughts on oneill atm brum? I know you wernt his biggest fan earlier in the season?

He's got some pretty iffy faults.

Tactically, he's pretty dodgy. He's predictable in his transfers, if the way we play doesnt work, we just keep on doing it, you can time his substiotutions to the minute, he's got a weird fixation will full backs and out of position players, we go through spells of playing awfully, but then start performing again.

He's incredibly frustrating, but no matter how annoying he is, he's hard to dislike.

You certainly can't argue with his results.


Doing an absolutely brilliant job at Villa. I'd kill for him here, gets the simple right first and then deals with the difficult as a good manager should. Really beginning to like Villa as a side, remind me of us of Champs Lge ere with Sir Bob.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:23:34 AM
We had some good results under Allardyce, as some want to forget.

Which results are the good ones then - the only turn around that we had under Allerdyce was actually managing to get a result away at Bolton.  We managed to get butt-f***ed at home against Portsmouth though.  That was a good reversal of fortune after managing to hump them for the past couple of seaons....
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KeithKettleborough on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:25:30 AM
Think we may well have down that season with Sam. Main reason is that I don't think we would have been as patient waiting for the turnaround as we were with KK. The boos and protests would have become much more vociferous and the confidence which KK gave the players (eventually) I doubt would have happened
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:27:39 AM
We had some good results under Allardyce, as some want to forget.

Which results are the good ones then - the only turn around that we had under Allerdyce was actually managing to get a result away at Bolton.  We managed to get butt-f***ed at home against Portsmouth though.  That was a good reversal of fortune after managing to hump them for the past couple of seaons....

What?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:28:29 AM
Course we'd have gone down. His style of football just breeds negativity amoungst any fanbase with decent expectations for watching football.

The second that starts, results are going to suffer even futher than they were as a result of the football itself. He's a crap manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:30:14 AM
He's certainly done horrifically with that wealth of talent at Blackburn.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:37:13 AM


OK then - apart from the Derby matches what were the other results that went against the unexpected.  What went against the grain.  The Mackems got a point against us, but what was the other unexpexted result?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:39:38 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:41:52 AM
Under Allardyce in 07/08 we only won 2 games against teams who finished in the top half of the league and they were both home games, Everton who finished 5th and West Ham who finished 10th.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:43:55 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

Fulham finished 1 place above relegation and were equal on points with Reading who went down with a worse goal difference.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:44:34 AM
Did we beat any top 10 teams under Keegan? Nobody is arguing that Allardyce would have taken us to Europe man.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:45:52 AM
And its the same now. Blackburn have a couple wins by one goal against villa & Fulham.

The rest of their wins are all teams in the bottom 6, he plays crap football.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:47:50 AM
Nobody has said any different.

Will he take them down? No chance. Would he have taken us down? Same answer.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:50:54 AM
Did we beat any top 10 teams under Keegan? Nobody is arguing that Allardyce would have taken us to Europe man.

No but we did have our best away win under Keegan who had a horrific set of games to begin with and he inherited a team which had just drawn away to Stoke and lost 0-6 against Man U.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:52:08 AM
Don't see how any of that suggests he's have taken us down tbh, pointless arguement.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:52:31 AM
Nobody has said any different.

Will he take them down? No chance. Would he have taken us down? Same answer.

I can't say for certain that he would have taken us down but I can't see how you could say we had no chance of going down.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:53:37 AM
Don't see how any of that suggests he's have taken us down tbh, pointless arguement.

You don't see how a sequence of tough games could have taken us down, that says it all really.  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:55:31 AM
We lost those f***ing games and still survived, they're completely irrelevant to this arguement.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:56:09 AM
Don't see how any of that suggests he's have taken us down tbh, pointless arguement.
i think he'd have taken us down due to our performances getting worse and worse as the season went on from what wasn't a good level of performance to start. the everton game you mentioned being the best we played under him then as his style kicked in we had the likes of derby,pompey,liverpool,wigan. an even worse level of performance than last season.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:57:31 AM
Allardyce was purely lucky with us.

The number of last minute goals we got was ridiculous. If that hadnt continued (very likely it wouldnt) we'd have gone down. He's obviously doing better with blackburn (barely), but theres a different level of pressure on him there. Though even they are pushing now.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:58:49 AM
Anyone would think we'd struggled to 13 points under Allardyce and Keegan had come in and got 30.

We had a poor squad, both managers did OK with it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:01:29 AM
Keegan changed us into a completely different attacking side who outplayed opponents & didnt lose to anyone outside of the top 6/7.

Allardyce made us a side that wouldnt have won in 14 games if not for two injury time goals in successive games.

Completely identical yeah.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:02:54 AM
Allardyce was purely lucky with us.

The number of last minute goals we got was ridiculous.

Three? One at which point were already leading.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:03:41 AM
We lost those f***ing games and still survived, they're completely irrelevant to this arguement.

We didn't lose them all and that's why we stayed up, Allardyce wouldn't have tried to beat Spurs away and I doubt he'd have had the balls to send out the team which managed to put 3 past Reading, we'd have gone looking for a draw.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:04:14 AM
Keegan changed us into a completely different attacking side who outplayed opponents & didnt lose to anyone outside of the top 6/7.

Allardyce made us a side that wouldnt have won in 14 games if not for two injury time goals in successive games.

Completely identical yeah.

You're an absolute joker man, Allardyce won more points. I can understand that bothering you but there it is.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:06:46 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

f***ing hell - I hadn't realised we managed to beat Everton at home for the first time in two years.  I was honoured to watch the match that I was hoping to see when I'd payed my six hundred f***ing pound out in June.  I was delighted to watch that ground-breaking performance getting butt-f***ed by Portsmouth at home for the first time in my lifetime.  The Portsmouth fans must have really enjoyed that one.

Oh, and by the way, I'm glad you brought relegation into the frame, as I'm sure I mentioned that in my original post.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:10:16 AM
I'm sure you also enjoyed getting beat by Blackburn at home? Drawing with Bolton and Boro? 5-1 against Man U?

As much as most of you would like to spin it. You cannot conclusively point to Keegan's results and say he did a better job that season. Asthetically he did, certainly. But that isn't a factor in the question of relegation.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:11:42 AM
Allardyce was purely lucky with us.

The number of last minute goals we got was ridiculous.

Three? One at which point were already leading.

Closer to 7/8 probably.

I remember being aware at the time that without them we'd have been in the bottom 3 for a while.
Everton, wigan, derb, fulham, birmingham are 6 for you. Thought there were a few more.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:12:26 AM


You're an absolute joker man, Allardyce won more points. I can understand that bothering you but there it is.

Allardyce had by far the easiest games and managed less than 1.25 points per game and he didn't take over a squad who were seriously lacking any confidence.  Keegan managed 1 point per game with a much tougher run of games.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:13:41 AM
No, it was 3. :lol:

And guess what? You're on average four times more likely to score in the 90th than you are in any other minute of the game. See if you and that incredible intellect can figure out why.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:13:50 AM
Comparing points won by managers who managed different amounts of games  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:21:06 AM
No, it was 3. :lol:

And guess what? You're on average four times more likely to score in the 90th than you are in any other minute of the game. See if you and that incredible intellect can figure out why.

Ive given you 6 if you keep up.

Our only wins in 14 were due to a penalty & a corner. I dont think its likely we'd have continued to get those in the last mins of games, whilst avoiding conceding while we were outplayed for the rest of it. Our other results pretty much back that up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:22:54 AM
The Blackburn match was a complete s***-kicker and f***ed me off after totally dominating a match, the Boro match we would have won if the ref had done his job and the Manure game had one one of the best atmospheres we'd had in years.  And s***, we scored two goals against far superior opposition.  We'd have been at the edge of our own penalty area under the last manager at that point.

The Derby match at home though - one of thier fourteen points in the league that year.  Inept management.  But that had f*** all compared to the stupid f***ing line-up he played against Liverpool.  N'Zogbia on the right.  Milner on the left.  Geremi as right full back.  It was almost as if he was trying to get sacked.

And then we had the once in three lifetimes Portsmouth debacle, that you haven't taken on board but try to use a bi-annually win against Everton as a plus. f*** off.  You're talking s****.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:37:46 AM
No, it was 3. :lol:

And guess what? You're on average four times more likely to score in the 90th than you are in any other minute of the game. See if you and that incredible intellect can figure out why.

Ive given you 6 if you keep up.



Everton, wigan, derb, fulham, birmingham are 6 for you. Thought there were a few more.

Nearly, keep trying.

Only 3 of those came in the last minute though, so all of that research appears to be a waste of your precious time.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:42:39 AM
You really trying to argue over the difference between scoring in the 87th minute & the 90th ?

You fall to some lows dont ya
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:44:18 AM
Kinda like using the fact that we scored a goal in the 87th instead of the 67th as ammunition against Allardyce in the first place? :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:49:36 AM
Not really, as one of those numbers is right before the game ends so scoring at that point tends to fluke undeserved points.

That was the entire point
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:52:33 AM
Not really, as one of those numbers is right before the game ends so scoring at that point tends to fluke undeserved points.

That was the entire point

 :lol:

Keep it coming man.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:56:52 AM
Is this going over your head then
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:00:08 AM
Ronaldo, please stop doing that f***ing smiley. It doesn't prove a thing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:00:19 AM
if someone thinks 2 wins in 12 games is not relegation form, they need shooting, as that was the form we were in, and somehow didn't get beat v stoke in the cup despite fat b****** jon parkin controlling the game when he came on
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:07:30 AM
How about 0 wins in 8?

Both went through bad runs, neither would have got us relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:19:38 AM
How about 0 wins in 8?

Both went through bad runs, neither would have got us relegated.

face the facts

we couldn't beat derby twice, has 1 shot on goal away at wigan, comprehensively outplayed at home to city and away to stoke!

if you think things we're getting better with allardyce, then you need to seriously consider how you watch football!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:23:58 AM
Better than Roeder, certainly!!!!!!

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toonlass on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:29:23 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

We had 22 points by the time we were arse raped by Liverpool last season. 4 points less, are you going to argue that wasn't a blueprint for relegation either?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:41:08 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

We had 22 points by the time we were arse raped by Liverpool last season. 4 points less, are you going to argue that wasn't a blueprint for relegation either?

As it happens, it wouldn't have been.

Then again, who was saying we were genuine candidates for relegation at that point last December. As I said, it took a very special effort from Shearer and the two good old London-Irish lads.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toonlass on Thursday 21 January 2010, 02:59:17 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

We had 22 points by the time we were arse raped by Liverpool last season. 4 points less, are you going to argue that wasn't a blueprint for relegation either?

As it happens, it wouldn't have been.


Then again, who was saying we were genuine candidates for relegation at that point last December. As I said, it took a very special effort from Shearer and the two good old London-Irish lads.

So how can you say with any certainty that we wouldn't have been relegated if Allardyce had stayed? Or are you now going to contradict your whole argument in this thread by saying "I can't say with any certainty....."  ?  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 03:02:53 AM
Absolutely nowt in the first part of that season leads me to believe we would have been relegated.

As for the part in bold, you've missed my point love.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Thursday 21 January 2010, 04:57:26 AM
Absolutely nowt in the first part of that season leads me to believe we would have been relegated.

As for the part in bold, you've missed my point love.

Christ almighty!

2 wins in 14 IS relegation form and can you explain how a last minute winner at Fulham was a good result when they managed to stop up that season only on the last day of the season?

You're as deluded as Allardyce!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 05:46:52 AM
What was it then, a bad result, an ok result?

2 wins in 14 ignores the 10 games or so before that. We weren't doing well as such but enough for mid-table.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Thursday 21 January 2010, 07:40:58 AM
What was it then, a bad result, an ok result?

2 wins in 14 ignores the 10 games or so before that. We weren't doing well as such but enough for mid-table.

We were mid-table after an EASY start to the season!

We'd have been lucky to get 2 wins in the 14 matches after the managerial fraudster was binned!

He'll be peddled by Blackburn!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Thursday 21 January 2010, 09:58:50 AM
Absolutely nowt in the first part of that season leads me to believe we would have been relegated.

As for the part in bold, you've missed my point love.
i can only assume you didn't go to the matches.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Thursday 21 January 2010, 10:02:10 AM
The Blackburn match was a complete s***-kicker and f***ed me off after totally dominating a match, the Boro match we would have won if the ref had done his job and the Manure game had one one of the best atmospheres we'd had in years.  And s***, we scored two goals against far superior opposition.  We'd have been at the edge of our own penalty area under the last manager at that point.

The Derby match at home though - one of thier fourteen points in the league that year.  Inept management.  But that had f*** all compared to the stupid f***ing line-up he played against Liverpool.  N'Zogbia on the right.  Milner on the left.  Geremi as right full back.  It was almost as if he was trying to get sacked.

And then we had the once in three lifetimes Portsmouth debacle, that you haven't taken on board but try to use a bi-annually win against Everton as a plus. f*** off.  You're talking s****.
similar dodgy line up away at sunderland where we fluked a draw.

unfortunatly it seems ronaldo is only looking at results and not performnces which were poor throughout the season.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Thursday 21 January 2010, 10:53:52 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

jesus christ
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 21 January 2010, 10:57:04 AM
We then went on a crap run where I don't think Allardyce would have picked up on, and I'm not convinced either that Allardyce would have turned it around to beat the likes of Fulham, Reading, Spurs & Sunderland. Whether it was by chance or genius, I'm not sure Allardyce would have stumbled upon the 4-3-3 that saved us.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 21 January 2010, 11:12:32 AM
It's the fans, it's the referee, it's the fixture list, but it's never you, is it Sam? IS IT?!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Thursday 21 January 2010, 11:49:09 AM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

jesus christ

:lol: Was that the 1-0 with a last minute Barton penalty?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Thursday 21 January 2010, 11:50:02 AM
It's the fans, it's the referee, it's the fixture list, but it's never you, is it Sam? IS IT?!

:lol: I want him to start going mental now. "Well if I'm honest Mr Reporter, I think it's Hitler's fault. Yes, Hitler is the reason we lost today..."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shearergol on Thursday 21 January 2010, 11:50:50 AM
Is it not obvious by now that Ronaldo is always just looking for bites?

Nobody in their right mind would try to defend Allardyce's time with us.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Thursday 21 January 2010, 11:54:25 AM
Is it not obvious by now that Ronaldo is always just looking for bites?

Nobody in their right mind would try to defend Allardyce's time with us.

You're...er...forgetting about one person.... http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,67149.msg2159257.html#msg2159257 :pow:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 January 2010, 11:54:33 AM
Is it not obvious by now that Ronaldo is always just looking for bites?

Nobody in their right mind would try to defend Allardyce's time with us.

starting to become the new NE5
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallace on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:05:05 PM
I'm not sure what you're getting at. But beating Everton at home was a good result, as was doing Fulham away.

By December we'd accumulated 26 points, that's hardly a blueprint for relegation.

jesus christ

:lol: Was that the 1-0 with a last minute Barton penalty?


Yes.  That was the game that was judged by fans and media to be one of the the worst games ever.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:09:49 PM
What's wrong like? Under the circumstances (terrible team, terrible manager, terrible performance, terrible match) it was a great result. :laugh:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 January 2010, 12:45:53 PM
What's wrong like? Under the circumstances (terrible team, terrible manager, terrible performance, terrible match) it was a great result. :laugh:

tbf, the win v birmingham has to be considered even more lucky, at home and birmingham did go down remember!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gray on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:12:23 PM
Can't believe he's blaming the ref in a game he lost 6-4! 6-4 man! How does he keep a straight face, you let SIX goals in!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:23:46 PM
lets try a new tactic.........

yes sam, it was the refs fault, they deliberatly pick on your teams. maybe if you f***ed off your clubs would get an even break.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Keefaz on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:25:49 PM
lets try a new tactic.........

yes sam, it was the refs fault, they deliberatly pick on your teams. maybe if you f***ed off your clubs would get an even break.

:lol:

"Ladies and gents, I have decided to... f*** off.... for the good of the team."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:28:07 PM
wish i'd been the author...

http://roversreturn.net/2010/01/15/bohemian-rhapsody/ (http://roversreturn.net/2010/01/15/bohemian-rhapsody/)

To the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen:

    Is this Allardyce?
    Or is this just fantasy?
    Caught in a poor team,
    Try to hoof it to victory,
    Open your eyes,
    Just stop telling lies and see,
    We’re just a poor team, we have no quality,
    Because its easy come, easy go,
    Just like that Elrio,
    Any way the Blues scores, doesn’t really matter to me,
    To me.

    Grella, just skinned a man,
    Put the ball between his legs,
    But he slipped and now he’s dead.
    Givet’s game has just begun,
    But Nelsen’s gone and thrown it all away.
    Roberts!!! Oooohh!!!
    Didn’t mean to make us lose,
    He couldn’t score if we played til tomorrow,
    Carry on, carry on, cos we are Blackburn Rovers.

    Big Sam, your time has come,
    Sends shivers down my spine,
    When you say that we played fine .
    Goodbye, Morten Pedersen, you’ve got to go,
    Gotta leave you far behind with your long throws.
    Nikola!!! Oooohh!!! (anywhere the ball goes)
    I’m not gonna lie,
    I sometimes wish you’d never been bought at all.

    I see a little overweight South African,
    Benni Mac, Benni Mac, will you do a back heel.
    Hoilett quick as lightning, Jacobsen is frightening me.

    Franco Di Santo, Franco Di Santo
    Franco Di Santo, Franco Di Santo Where’s the goal
    I don’t know

    We’re just a poor team, nobody likes us,
    He’s just a right-back too old for madrid,
    Spare me this game from this monstrosity.
    Dunny, the window, please don’t let him go,
    Nzonzi, no, we will not let him go – let him go
    Nzonzi, we will not let him go – let him go
    Nzonzi, we will not let him go – let him go
    We will not let him go – let him go
    We will not let him go – let him go
    No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

    David Dunn, David Dunn, David Dunn please don’t go
    Keith Andrews will you play it on the floor for me, for me, for me.

    So you think that El Hadji won’t spit in your eye,
    Do you like it when Robinson kicks the ball high.
    Oooohh Williams!!! Can’t do this to us Williams!!!
    Just get Sam out, just get sam right out of here.
    Passing really matters,
    Everyone can see,
    Passin really matters, Passing really matters,
    To me
    Anywhere the ball goes…
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:33:10 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Keefaz on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:33:46 PM
Poor Large Samuel. Apparently no one likes his football. :'(
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:44:19 PM
That song is a work of genius.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toonlass on Thursday 21 January 2010, 01:51:00 PM
Absolutely nowt in the first part of that season leads me to believe we would have been relegated.

As for the part in bold, you've missed my point love.

Have I? Enlighten me then, sweetcheeks.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Thursday 21 January 2010, 04:13:23 PM
wish i'd been the author...

http://roversreturn.net/2010/01/15/bohemian-rhapsody/ (http://roversreturn.net/2010/01/15/bohemian-rhapsody/)

To the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen:

    Is this Allardyce?
    Or is this just fantasy?
    Caught in a poor team,
    Try to hoof it to victory,
    Open your eyes,
    Just stop telling lies and see,
    We’re just a poor team, we have no quality,
    Because its easy come, easy go,
    Just like that Elrio,
    Any way the Blues scores, doesn’t really matter to me,
    To me.

    Grella, just skinned a man,
    Put the ball between his legs,
    But he slipped and now he’s dead.
    Givet’s game has just begun,
    But Nelsen’s gone and thrown it all away.
    Roberts!!! Oooohh!!!
    Didn’t mean to make us lose,
    He couldn’t score if we played til tomorrow,
    Carry on, carry on, cos we are Blackburn Rovers.

    Big Sam, your time has come,
    Sends shivers down my spine,
    When you say that we played fine .
    Goodbye, Morten Pedersen, you’ve got to go,
    Gotta leave you far behind with your long throws.
    Nikola!!! Oooohh!!! (anywhere the ball goes)
    I’m not gonna lie,
    I sometimes wish you’d never been bought at all.

    I see a little overweight South African,
    Benni Mac, Benni Mac, will you do a back heel.
    Hoilett quick as lightning, Jacobsen is frightening me.

    Franco Di Santo, Franco Di Santo
    Franco Di Santo, Franco Di Santo Where’s the goal
    I don’t know

    We’re just a poor team, nobody likes us,
    He’s just a right-back too old for madrid,
    Spare me this game from this monstrosity.
    Dunny, the window, please don’t let him go,
    Nzonzi, no, we will not let him go – let him go
    Nzonzi, we will not let him go – let him go
    Nzonzi, we will not let him go – let him go
    We will not let him go – let him go
    We will not let him go – let him go
    No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

    David Dunn, David Dunn, David Dunn please don’t go
    Keith Andrews will you play it on the floor for me, for me, for me.

    So you think that El Hadji won’t spit in your eye,
    Do you like it when Robinson kicks the ball high.
    Oooohh Williams!!! Can’t do this to us Williams!!!
    Just get Sam out, just get sam right out of here.
    Passing really matters,
    Everyone can see,
    Passin really matters, Passing really matters,
    To me
    Anywhere the ball goes…

Absolute class  :clap:  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 21 January 2010, 04:55:17 PM
Is it not obvious by now that Ronaldo is always just looking for bites?

Nobody in their right mind would try to defend Allardyce's time with us.

starting to become the new NE5

Says you, who only signed up to the forum in the first place to have a go at Allardyce. :thup:

I'm by no means a fan of the guy, wouldn't want him anywhere near the club in an ideal world. But those saying we'd have got relegated don't really have a leg to stand on, the results and points tally from the first 5 months of the season strongly suggest that we'd have been safe with him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 21 January 2010, 04:58:11 PM
I had never been as terrified of relegation as under Allardyce.

Obviously what happened after he left was even worse, but he was absolutely s****... no two ways about it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Thursday 21 January 2010, 04:58:17 PM
We then went on a crap run where I don't think Allardyce would have picked up on, and I'm not convinced either that Allardyce would have turned it around to beat the likes of Fulham, Reading, Spurs & Sunderland. Whether it was by chance or genius, I'm not sure Allardyce would have stumbled upon the 4-3-3 that saved us.

I can't remember another manager in the history of the Premiership using a 4-3-3 in that style so I very much doubt he would have stumbled upon it, or Keegan did either.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Darth Crooks on Thursday 21 January 2010, 05:08:07 PM
That song is genius.  :clap2: It's not even the 1st verse, its the full billion minutes  :laugh: #the rot set in with Souness for definite imo. I'm still undecided with SA. He signed Abdullah Faye who was awesome imo. Could do with someone like him right now
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Thursday 21 January 2010, 05:21:02 PM
That song is genius.  :clap2: It's not even the 1st verse, its the full billion minutes  :laugh: #the rot set in with Souness for definite imo. I'm still undecided with SA. He signed Abdullah Faye who was awesome imo. Could do with someone like him right now

Faye, Beye and Enrique were all excellent signings - Smith, Rosenahl, Viduka, Cacapa, Barton, Geremi not so good. Although Smith and Barton may yet offer us something.......
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 21 January 2010, 05:22:11 PM
Is it not obvious by now that Ronaldo is always just looking for bites?

Nobody in their right mind would try to defend Allardyce's time with us.

starting to become the new NE5

Says you, who only signed up to the forum in the first place to have a go at Allardyce. :thup:

I'm by no means a fan of the guy, wouldn't want him anywhere near the club in an ideal world. But those saying we'd have got relegated don't really have a leg to stand on, the results and points tally from the first 5 months of the season strongly suggest that we'd have been safe with him.


How the f*** do you know why I signed up to the forum for, mystic meg or something

also how can you say that, when 17 of those points we're acquired by the end of october, so from november, december and 10 days of january we acquired 9 points
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Friday 22 January 2010, 12:59:48 AM
Is it not obvious by now that Ronaldo is always just looking for bites?

Nobody in their right mind would try to defend Allardyce's time with us.

starting to become the new NE5

Says you, who only signed up to the forum in the first place to have a go at Allardyce. :thup:

I'm by no means a fan of the guy, wouldn't want him anywhere near the club in an ideal world. But those saying we'd have got relegated don't really have a leg to stand on, the results and points tally from the first 5 months of the season strongly suggest that we'd have been safe with him.

i've mentioned performances a few times in this thread and you've never addressed it. i wonder why ?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 22 January 2010, 01:02:36 AM
Because nobody is disputing there were a fair few diabolical performances under Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Friday 22 January 2010, 01:08:19 AM
Because nobody is disputing there were a fair few diabolical performances under Allardyce.
and you'll admit that quite often teams get relegated after ok'ish (points wise) starts to the season. given that could you see the performances getting better enough to get the extra required points ?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 22 January 2010, 01:14:05 AM
I could easily see us beating 4 out of Bolton, Boro, Blackburn, Fulham, Reading, Sunderland.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Friday 22 January 2010, 01:20:25 AM
I could easily see us beating 4 out of Bolton, Boro, Blackburn, Fulham, Reading, Sunderland.
we'll have to disagree. you have to remember the way we played apart from your oft spouted everton game. that is pompey, wigan,derby, sunderland etc.

the way we were going i couldn't see us winning another game. no doubt we would have but i don't believe we'd have won enough to stop up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 22 January 2010, 09:35:24 AM
I could easily see us beating 4 out of Bolton, Boro, Blackburn, Fulham, Reading, Sunderland.

how could you see us beating these lot, when we we're 4 minutes away from derby doing the double, answer that one?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 22 January 2010, 09:50:25 AM
wish i'd been the author...

http://roversreturn.net/2010/01/15/bohemian-rhapsody/ (http://roversreturn.net/2010/01/15/bohemian-rhapsody/)

To the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen:

    Is this Allardyce?
    Or is this just fantasy?
    Caught in a poor team,
    Try to hoof it to victory,
    Open your eyes,
    Just stop telling lies and see,
    We’re just a poor team, we have no quality,
    Because its easy come, easy go,
    Just like that Elrio,
    Any way the Blues scores, doesn’t really matter to me,
    To me.

    Grella, just skinned a man,
    Put the ball between his legs,
    But he slipped and now he’s dead.
    Givet’s game has just begun,
    But Nelsen’s gone and thrown it all away.
    Roberts!!! Oooohh!!!
    Didn’t mean to make us lose,
    He couldn’t score if we played til tomorrow,
    Carry on, carry on, cos we are Blackburn Rovers.

    Big Sam, your time has come,
    Sends shivers down my spine,
    When you say that we played fine .
    Goodbye, Morten Pedersen, you’ve got to go,
    Gotta leave you far behind with your long throws.
    Nikola!!! Oooohh!!! (anywhere the ball goes)
    I’m not gonna lie,
    I sometimes wish you’d never been bought at all.

    I see a little overweight South African,
    Benni Mac, Benni Mac, will you do a back heel.
    Hoilett quick as lightning, Jacobsen is frightening me.

    Franco Di Santo, Franco Di Santo
    Franco Di Santo, Franco Di Santo Where’s the goal
    I don’t know

    We’re just a poor team, nobody likes us,
    He’s just a right-back too old for madrid,
    Spare me this game from this monstrosity.
    Dunny, the window, please don’t let him go,
    Nzonzi, no, we will not let him go – let him go
    Nzonzi, we will not let him go – let him go
    Nzonzi, we will not let him go – let him go
    We will not let him go – let him go
    We will not let him go – let him go
    No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

    David Dunn, David Dunn, David Dunn please don’t go
    Keith Andrews will you play it on the floor for me, for me, for me.

    So you think that El Hadji won’t spit in your eye,
    Do you like it when Robinson kicks the ball high.
    Oooohh Williams!!! Can’t do this to us Williams!!!
    Just get Sam out, just get sam right out of here.
    Passing really matters,
    Everyone can see,
    Passin really matters, Passing really matters,
    To me
    Anywhere the ball goes…

Superb, funny as f*** if the blackburn fans could sing that at the games.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Friday 22 January 2010, 11:14:31 AM
I could easily see us beating 4 out of Bolton, Boro, Blackburn, Fulham, Reading, Sunderland.

how could you see us beating these lot, when we we're 4 minutes away from derby doing the double, answer that one?
and in that game derby were by far the better team.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Friday 22 January 2010, 12:21:37 PM
I had never been as terrified of relegation as under Allardyce.

Obviously what happened after he left was even worse, but he was absolutely s****... no two ways about it.

:sadnod:

personally i think he'd have taken us down that season. then whinged, p*ssed and moaned about how it wasn't his fault.
the squad's morale was through the floor, the players were confused with what he wanted (as per that training video) he wasn't playing martins, who was our biggest goal threat. i doubt allardyce would have had the nous to play 3 up top like keegan did, he'd have stuck with lumping the ball long upfield and playing for draws
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:39:39 PM
Big Sam Bingo time then.  Who gets the blame tonight then?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:40:56 PM
the ref :laugh:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:41:03 PM
The referee. :lol:

You were 2-0 down by then you fat w*****.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 6 February 2010, 11:50:14 PM
I wonder if them two Blackburn fans were fighting over hated big Sam the most. "I hit him more", "No I do", "Shut the f*** up or I'll hit you with this bin".

















Too soon?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 7 February 2010, 12:08:17 AM
The referee. :lol:

You were 2-0 down by then you fat w*****.
why let facts get in the way of shifting the blame of the talentless moron hippohead in charge
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:02:48 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9009565.stm

Terrifying thing is he's not joking, the fat headed arsehole. Could just see him stood at the side of the Bernabeu with his f***ing megaphone.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Skeletor on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:06:58 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9009565.stm

Terrifying thing is he's not joking, the fat headed arsehole. Could just see him stood at the side of the Bernabeu with his f***ing megaphone.

Wonder how Real Madrid fans would react at him taking the team to Levante and playing for the 0-0.

If anything his reign was too long.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:08:59 PM
Quote
Ahead of his team's clash with Fulham, the 55-year-old said: "I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid.

"It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time."

Although happy in his current role, Allardyce added: "Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:13:45 PM
Quote
Ahead of his team's clash with Fulham, the 55-year-old said: "I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid.

"It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time."

Although happy in his current role, Allardyce added: "Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA




How many fans would tollerate his minging football tho.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: stalker on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:23:04 PM
Even the 25 blackburn fans can't!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:25:25 PM
Probably be OK in Italy, since they adore their defensive death football more often than not. Though he'd still have to had at least one playmaker to excite the crowd!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufcmichael on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:52:52 PM
I remember reading Stig Toftings book, where he described Sam Allardyce when he was in Bolton.

He said that if Bolton were behind at halftime, then Allardyce would spend the whole break yelling and screaming at the players, telling them how poor they were and everything instead of telling them what to do better :)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Friday 17 September 2010, 05:57:43 PM
Sam "SteinCloughFergusonShankleyBusby" Allardyce has not won as much as CH.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:06:30 PM
He messed up royally when given the chance to manage a club the size of Newcastle, can't see him doing any better in the next step up. He isn't a bad manager, but he has to be at a certain kind of club to do well.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:17:14 PM
He messed up royally when given the chance to manage a club the size of Newcastle, can't see him doing any better in the next step up. He isn't a bad manager, but he has to be at a certain kind of club to do well.

Don't be c*** man as soon as Jose is given the bullet at Real Madrid Perez will be flying into Blackburn International Airport to get SAM THE MAN.

Anyone see Shaun "I luv Sam" Custis put Allardyce forward for the England job, it some of the most cringe worthy tv I have seen in long time.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:19:18 PM
:lol: I'm not sure what the difference would be between Capello and Allardyce really. Against Germany Allardyce would have probably had the back line standing behind James though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:25:49 PM
Probably be OK in Italy, since they adore their defensive death football more often than not. Though he'd still have to had at least one playmaker to excite the crowd!

To be frank while at Bolton he mixed up stuff a bit with adding the likes of Djorkaeff or Okocha.

Still this some of the most daft self-praise I have seen in a long time, FM much Big Sam? :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: alpal78 on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:30:03 PM
:lol: I'm not sure what the difference would be between Capello and Allardyce really. Against Germany Allardyce would have probably had the back line standing behind James though.

Difference is Allardyce would be using that tactic against the likes of Montenegro and Bulgaria!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shak on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:31:09 PM
Quote
Ahead of his team's clash with Fulham, the 55-year-old said: "I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid.

"It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time."

Although happy in his current role, Allardyce added: "Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

BAHAHAHAHAHAHA


How many fans would tollerate his minging football tho.

I love how that's the hole you see in his plan, rather than the notion the useless c*** would do anything other than humiliate himself at one of those clubs. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:36:56 PM
What a tosser.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:39:57 PM
What a f***ing nugget.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:41:05 PM
Not only is this pretty disrespectful to Blackburn, but he's also just pretty much made up his own abbilities as a football manager. Cannot see Ronaldo, Kaka or Ozil been too pleased  with the ball been shunted over there heads for 90 minutes.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: geordiemonster on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:46:32 PM
Hahaha.  Real Madrid?  Barcelona?  How deluded is this bloke?

I can just imagine the team talk

"Alves - whenever you get the ball I just want you to hit it AS HARD AS YOU CAN up the field and David Villa I want you to try and be on the end of it.  The rest of you, especially Messi just stand round and look useless."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:48:49 PM
I hate Big Sam with a passion, near Souness levels.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:51:32 PM
I have to check.

Were the speaking to the real Big Sam, or the guy pretending to be on Twitter? As it does sound like a twitter post.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: geordiemonster on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:53:58 PM
I never thought I would say it, but I hate Sam more than I ever did Souness.  Its a combination of managerial arrogance and god awful football that did it.

As an aside, I was arguing with a Mackem a while ago who was adamant Sam would have kept us up.  Apart from the fact I think we were heading for the drop when he got sacked I don't think I could watch 19 home games of the "football" he served up.  He asked me whether I would prefer us to play Blackburn type football but perhaps win a cup or play Arsenal football and perhaps not win owt....errr let me think!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:55:51 PM
"Villa you f***ing c***, you need to graft your arse off like Kevin Davies, chase the full back, chase the centre back I don't f***ing care about hatricks son. Xavi don't you being giving me f***ing eyebrows as Prozone has shown your one lazy f***er"

FC Barcelona Manager Sam Allardyce
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Friday 17 September 2010, 06:56:07 PM
I never thought I would say it, but I hate Sam more than I ever did Souness.  Its a combination of managerial arrogance and god awful football that did it.

As an aside, I was arguing with a Mackem a while ago who was adamant Sam would have kept us up.  Apart from the fact I think we were heading for the drop when he got sacked I don't think I could watch 19 home games of the "football" he served up.  He asked me whether I would prefer us to play Blackburn type football but perhaps win a cup or play Arsenal football and perhaps not win owt....errr let me think!

Nah, we would have gone down, I was terrified. Turns out we got relegated anyway, but that's another story.

It was just such hideous anti-football, I honestly wished I wasn't a football fan at all for most of his reign. What came after wasn't much better, but with Sam we wouldn't have gone anyway.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 17 September 2010, 07:03:40 PM
dear god the man really doesn't have any humility does he.
i can just see it now sam allerdyce playing route 1 defensive football as barcelona manager
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: geordiemonster on Friday 17 September 2010, 07:03:45 PM
I never thought I would say it, but I hate Sam more than I ever did Souness.  Its a combination of managerial arrogance and god awful football that did it.

As an aside, I was arguing with a Mackem a while ago who was adamant Sam would have kept us up.  Apart from the fact I think we were heading for the drop when he got sacked I don't think I could watch 19 home games of the "football" he served up.  He asked me whether I would prefer us to play Blackburn type football but perhaps win a cup or play Arsenal football and perhaps not win owt....errr let me think!

Nah, we would have gone down, I was terrified. Turns out we got relegated anyway, but that's another story.

It was just such hideous anti-football, I honestly wished I wasn't a football fan at all for most of his reign. What came after wasn't much better, but with Sam we wouldn't have gone anyway.

This is what really pisses me off about fans of other clubs and their perception of Newcastle.  For me (and I know there are many who disagree) trophies aren't that important.  Christ knows we haven't won owt since 68 or whatever so we can't be accused of being glory hunters but I don't think its asking much to be entertained and not have to sit through games where pigeons on the pitch provide more entertainment.  Entertainment first for me, trophies second,
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 17 September 2010, 07:06:47 PM
Seriously, want a stupid almighty c***.

I hate him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JJ7 on Friday 17 September 2010, 07:11:38 PM
For me, trophies first, entertainment second. Anyone who says any different is an idiot! However we were getting neither under 'Big Sam'! And it was 1969, not 68. Getting that wrong and claiming to be a fan is fuckin ridiculous.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: geordiemonster on Friday 17 September 2010, 07:15:04 PM
For me, trophies first, entertainment second. Anyone who says any different is an idiot! However we were getting neither under 'Big Sam'! And it was 1969, not 68. Getting that wrong and claiming to be a fan is fuckin ridiculous.

Well, I'm sorry I could have wikipedia'd it, but I simply couldn't be arsed and I don't see why it is ridiculous when it was 5 years before I was even born...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 17 September 2010, 09:01:34 PM
For me, trophies first, entertainment second. Anyone who says any different is an idiot! However we were getting neither under 'Big Sam'! And it was 1969, not 68. Getting that wrong and claiming to be a fan is fuckin ridiculous.

Doesn't matter in this case, cos allardyce is a s*** manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Friday 17 September 2010, 09:31:02 PM
For me, trophies first, entertainment second. Anyone who says any different is an idiot! However we were getting neither under 'Big Sam'! And it was 1969, not 68. Getting that wrong and claiming to be a fan is fuckin ridiculous.

Doesn't matter in this case, cos allardyce is a s*** manager.

I'd say more limited than s***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gray on Friday 17 September 2010, 09:38:42 PM
Is the interview on tv anywhere, I want to see his face when hes saying this
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Friday 17 September 2010, 09:47:15 PM
Wish someone would take a shovel to his head.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Friday 17 September 2010, 09:51:19 PM
Wish someone would take a shovel to his head.

Or a golf club, or an airport departure lounge chair....................
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: dilligaf on Friday 17 September 2010, 10:03:49 PM
Id say you was the idiot mate, because Id rather have those 5 years under Keegan be entertained and win f*** all than a year under Allardyce/Souness etc and win a cup.
people like you p*ss me off with those sort of statements.  " Anyone who says any different is an idiot!" who the f*** do you think you are? t***
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Atticus on Friday 17 September 2010, 10:13:16 PM
Now, now. Keep the insults for Big Sam folks. The big headed c*** that he is.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: B-more Mag on Friday 17 September 2010, 10:18:45 PM
Pink-scarfed mincer.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ikri on Friday 17 September 2010, 10:19:42 PM
For me, trophies first, entertainment second. Anyone who says any different is an idiot! However we were getting neither under 'Big Sam'! And it was 1969, not 68. Getting that wrong and claiming to be a fan is fuckin ridiculous.

I'd rather see us win games by playing great football, if that's not possible I want to see us win, if that's not possible I want to see us try.

That's why I detest Allardyce.  Playing bad football, losing and not even trying to win games.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 17 September 2010, 10:22:55 PM
For me, trophies first, entertainment second. Anyone who says any different is an idiot! However we were getting neither under 'Big Sam'! And it was 1969, not 68. Getting that wrong and claiming to be a fan is fuckin ridiculous.

I'd rather see us win games by playing great football, if that's not possible I want to see us win, if that's not possible I want to see us try.

That's why I detest Allardyce.  Playing bad football, losing and not even trying to win games.

 :thup:

Not to mention that he's also a delusional, arrogant, hypocritical t*** to boot.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jarrovianmag on Saturday 18 September 2010, 12:18:50 AM
Has he been smoking a bit too much crack?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9009565.stm

Blackburn boss Sam Allardyce believes he is good enough to manage any of Europe's top clubs.

Allardyce, once a candidate for the England manager's job, arrived at Ewood Park in 2008 having survived at Newcastle for less than half a season.

Ahead of his team's clash with Fulham, the 55-year-old said: "I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid.

"It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time."

Although happy in his current role, Allardyce added: "Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

Allardyce has enjoyed a colourful managerial career, starting at West Bromwich as an assistant coach in 1989, before moving on to Limerick, Blackpool and Notts County.

He spent eight years at the helm of Bolton Wanderers before resigning surprisingly in April 2007 after guiding the Trotters to fifth spot in the Premiership and the brink of Uefa Cup qualification.

Blackburn boss Sam Allardyce believes he is good enough to manage any of Europe's top clubs.

Allardyce, once a candidate for the England manager's job, arrived at Ewood Park in 2008 having survived at Newcastle for less than half a season.

Ahead of his team's clash with Fulham, the 55-year-old said: "I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid.

"It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time."

Although happy in his current role, Allardyce added: "Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

Allardyce has enjoyed a colourful managerial career, starting at West Bromwich as an assistant coach in 1989, before moving on to Limerick, Blackpool and Notts County.

He spent eight years at the helm of Bolton Wanderers before resigning surprisingly in April 2007 after guiding the Trotters to fifth spot in the Premiership and the brink of Uefa Cup qualification.


Sam Allardyce and Mark Hughes
Allardyce (left) and Hughes set to go head-to-head again

Blackburn boss Sam Allardyce believes he is good enough to manage any of Europe's top clubs.

Allardyce, once a candidate for the England manager's job, arrived at Ewood Park in 2008 having survived at Newcastle for less than half a season.

Ahead of his team's clash with Fulham, the 55-year-old said: "I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid.

"It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the double or the league every time."

Although happy in his current role, Allardyce added: "Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same, it wouldn't be a problem.

"It's not a problem to take me into the higher reaches of the Champions League or Premier League and would make my job a lot easier in winning it."

Allardyce has enjoyed a colourful managerial career, starting at West Bromwich as an assistant coach in 1989, before moving on to Limerick, Blackpool and Notts County.

He spent eight years at the helm of Bolton Wanderers before resigning surprisingly in April 2007 after guiding the Trotters to fifth spot in the Premiership and the brink of Uefa Cup qualification.
   
Allardyce took over at Newcastle a month later on a three-year contract but was in charge for only 24 matches before leaving the club "by mutual agreement".

He had to wait 11 months before resuming his career with Blackburn, who face Mark Hughes's Fulham this weekend with the London club just one one of five teams still unbeaten in the Premier League.

And with Hughes arriving at Craven Cottage for the start of the season having been sacked by Manchester City after an 18-month stint, Allardyce feels the former Welsh manager, as well as himself, has not been given time to perform with certain clubs.

"His Manchester City reign obviously was not long enough. A little bit like me at Newcastle, but I didn't last quite as long as Sparky though," Allardyce added.

"He was given the chance and unfortunately at that stage of his career they decided to have a change. You look back on it and he'll be very disappointed because they only lost two games.

"There's a perception that other people can do better than you, but often the reality is not the case. He decided that Fulham was the place for him, he's taken over what he's described in his own words as a very good team and he's started where they left off last season."
   
Sam has made his mark in the Premier League, which is the strongest league in world football

Mark Hughes

Hughes, meanwhile, believes Allardyce would be a strong candidate to be the next England boss, with Fabio Capello set to step down in two years.

Allardyce was pipped to the England post after the 2006 World Cup by Steve McLaren but Hughes said: "Sam's record in the Premier League stands comparison with any British, English or foreign manager at the level of the clubs he's been at.

"He's a successful Premier League manager and the view at this time is that England need an English manager. I also hold that view because it's important that a country is led by someone of the same nationality.

"Sam has made his mark in the Premier League, which is the strongest league in world football. If you can get positive results in this league you're a good manager.

"Whether the way Sam sets up his team lends itself to international management is a debate for another day. But certainly his record in terms of games won makes him a strong candidate."

Fulham's visit to Ewood Park on Saturday sees Hughes returning to the club where he spent three seasons as a player and four years as manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sifu on Saturday 18 September 2010, 02:53:50 AM
Oh dear, he has completed lost the plot
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: merlin on Saturday 18 September 2010, 04:31:29 AM
Allardyce is totally correct ; his claim that he was equipped to manage Real is true....the only problem was that he left off the word 'BAD' after Real.....!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: themanupstairs on Saturday 18 September 2010, 08:13:03 AM
Allardyce is totally correct ; his claim that he was equipped to manage Real is true....the only problem was that he left off the word 'BAD' after Real.....!

 :lol: erm not quite mate
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Saturday 18 September 2010, 08:14:21 AM
Makes you wonder if Big Sam on Twitter isn't just a funny impostor after all. :pow:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Saturday 18 September 2010, 09:47:59 AM
He really does wind me up. As well as he did with bolton I still think he'd have taken us down, aiming to get draws against derby and not even attempting to win games you genuinely stand a chance of winning if you tried is suicide
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Saturday 18 September 2010, 12:21:56 PM
He's completely gone off his considerably sized mantits.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Fenham Mag on Saturday 18 September 2010, 02:00:29 PM
BigSam twitter:

Received a fax from Real Madrid this morning. Just said: "El bastardo gordo". Wonder if it's a job offer. I'll get it translated and reply.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 18 September 2010, 06:50:11 PM
Big Sam Bingo time then.  Who gets the blame tonight then?

The officials today according to him.......
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: johnson293 on Saturday 18 September 2010, 07:34:04 PM
Great pic used on NUFC.com for Big Sam.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Begbie on Saturday 18 September 2010, 07:37:57 PM
BigSam twitter:

Received a fax from Real Madrid this morning. Just said: "El bastardo gordo". Wonder if it's a job offer. I'll get it translated and reply.

You forgot one word, it said: "El bastardo maricon gordo". ;)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Saturday 18 September 2010, 09:03:31 PM
:lol: He didn't really say that, did he?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Saturday 18 September 2010, 09:20:41 PM
Sam Allardyce reckons Sam Allardyce is brilliant
 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 18 September 2010, 09:23:51 PM
what a title :mackems:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:25:41 PM
More from Sammy

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I FIRST met Arsene Wenger in 1999 when I was manager of Notts County and we sold Jermaine Pennant to Arsenal for a record £2million.

We did pretty well out of the transfer and his team came up to Meadow Lane for a pre-season friendly that year as part of the deal.

I was really looking forward to meeting him but all I got was a handshake. No more.

We have crossed swords many more times in the years since but I gave up inviting him for a glass of wine after games long ago because I know he won't come.

The truth is that nobody really knows Arsene Wenger. There certainly aren't too many people who actually get close to him.

Sir Alex Ferguson and some of the foreign coaches like Avram Grant always pop in for a drink so I don't think it's a problem with my wine!

If that's Arsene's way, though, then I respect that. Maybe he doesn't like me. Maybe he is keen to get on the coach or the plane after fulfilling 45 minutes of post-match media duties.

He loves the psychological warfare of the Premier League, the world's most watched and talked about sporting competition. It goes with the theatre of the game and without it football would be less interesting.

I am gutted that Rafa Benitez has gone. He hated me and I used to love winding him up. For years he came to Bolton and never got a result and used to accuse us of cheating.

Arsene is a very clever guy. He uses his profile in London to get messages out which are aimed at putting pressure on referees.

Look at the criticism he made of Stoke's so-called "rugby tactics" when they played Spurs earlier in the season.

He accused Robert Huth of pushing Heurelho Gomes into the goal. The referee that day was Chris Foy. And who took charge of Arsenal's game at Blackburn the following week? That's right, Chris Foy.

Arsene put pressure on the officials and I don't have a major problem with that.

We can get fined by the FA for directing remarks at referees before games - but he did it in a very clever and subtle way.

However, if Arsene is allowed his opinion, then I am entitled to mine. I speak to about six press people on a Friday afternoon and he probably speaks to about 60.


I hear he loves talking about any subject - well so do I. When I say what I think there are people who say "Oh, it's only antiquated Sam Allardyce", and all kinds of b******* like that.

There is a problem with perception. Arsene is seen as a sophisticated Frenchman while I'm just a rugged English centre-half from the Midlands with an accent to match.

But is Arsene more advanced than me in terms of coaching? Not a chance.

Does he use live fitness data on his players during games? Does he study sports psychology every day? Does he use sports science to the extent that I do? I doubt it.

Everyone talks about how Fergie psyched out Gerard Houllier, or how Wenger psyches out Jose Mourinho or how Mourinho psyches out Fergie.

When I psyche an opposition manager out, the reaction is just that Big Sam's moaning again! It's too readily forgotten that I've used sports psychology day in, day out for 12 years.


I remember when my Bolton side played Mourinho's Chelsea at Stamford Bridge in 2004 and got a 2-2 draw from two goals down.

He moaned afterwards that all we did was send high balls into his penalty area, yet when he came to the Reebok later in the season his side defended deep and then slung the ball up to Didier Drogba - they won 2-0 and clinched the League title that day. I psyched him out to the point where he had to copy our style to get a result against us.

None of all this affects my view of Wenger. I have total respect for the way he changed his philosophy in recent years when the £400million move to the Emirates Stadium reduced his spending power in the transfer market.

I remember my first trip to Highbury with Bolton and seeing really big powerful guys like Patrick Vieira, Martin Keown, Sol Campbell and Sylvain Wiltord. Even Thierry Henry and Dennis Bergkamp were six-footers and I wasn't the only manager who thought: "Oh my God, we're going to be blown away by their sheer size, not to mention their quality."

He hasn't won trophies yet with his current crop but he has stuck to his guns by insisting that nothing will prevent the development of his young players. Arsenal play some wonderful football but what makes the Premier League interesting is the difference in styles between teams.

What goes on between managers doesn't bother me, in fact, I find it very entertaining.

But if I have an opinion nobody will stop me expressing it.

How we go about our business as bosses is different from each other.

Carlo Ancelotti didn't come in for a drink last season - probably because a draw meant that his side were going to find it difficult to win the Premier League.


Some managers wear suits and ties, others were open-neck shirts and others wear tracksuits on the touchline. At one time it seemed like Paul Jewell was promoting Lyle & Scott sweaters and they didn't look very good. I just hope he was paid well!

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/football/977765/THE-TRUTH-IS-NOBODY-KNOWS-WENGER.html
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:30:21 PM
^ i would only have any form of respect for allardyce if that was a pisstake. unfortunatly i fear the t*** believes it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:31:12 PM
Wonder if he mentions Diouf's foul on Schwarzer
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:32:27 PM
Heard Merson today saying this fukwit didn't get enough time with us and we wouldn't have been relegated if he'd had stayed on. It makes you wonder what some of these pundits base their opinions on. Did Merson ever jack up? I'm sure I once heard he was a crack addict...it fuking figures.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:34:02 PM
Wonder if he mentions Diouf's foul on Schwarzer

"Probably"

"Could say"

"Might have been"

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:34:36 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:36:15 PM
Just think that could be Ronaldo pinging long balls for Higuain to clatter the keeper and for the ball to bounce in off Ramos' head soon.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:39:04 PM
Just think that could be Ronaldo pinging long balls for Higuain to clatter the keeper and for the ball to bounce in off Ramos' head soon.

Like he wouldn't take Diouf & Samba with him to Madrid. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:40:08 PM
Just think that could be Ronaldo pinging long balls for Higuain to clatter the keeper and for the ball to bounce in off Ramos' head soon.

Like he wouldn't take Diouf & Samba with him to Madrid. :lol:

At Madrid he'd have the spending power to prise Rory Delap away from Stoke.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: M4 on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:40:17 PM
Like he wouldn't take Diouf & Samba with him to Madrid. :lol:

:lol:

£20m for Kevin Davies too.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:40:51 PM
:lol:

Ivan Campo Defensive coach.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:41:03 PM
Just think that could be Ronaldo pinging long balls for Higuain to clatter the keeper and for the ball to bounce in off Ramos' head soon.

Like he wouldn't take Diouf & Samba with him to Madrid. :lol:

At Madrid he'd have the spending power to prise Rory Delap away from Stoke.

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:41:55 PM
He'd also re-sign Raul & Guti...two typical Big Sam transfers if ever I've seen them.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:48:00 PM
Can someone post BIG SAM'S GALACTICO's XI
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: M4 on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:49:44 PM
Can someone post BIG SAM'S GALACTICO's XI

This sounds like a fun themed FIFA or FM game if ever there was one  :aww:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 18 September 2010, 11:52:25 PM
Can someone post BIG SAM'S GALACTICO's XI
        f*** it, whoever can kick the ball the furthest

Delap    Campo    Weir     Samual

Faye           Faye       Barton    Davies  Jay Jay Okocha

                           Gamst  
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Sunday 19 September 2010, 11:22:38 AM
Patrick Collins has his say on Big Sam

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Pity the poor foreigners if Sam Allardyce ever gets his way

The rise and rise of the football manager is one of the wonders of our sporting age. Once he was the modest fellow who picked the team, pacified the chairman and suffered the sack when it all went wrong. No longer. Now he struts the stage, milking the applause and delivering significant opinions.

He is a figure of substance, a man whose views are not mocked. Unless, of course, he happens to be Sam Allardyce. In which case, mockery may be the only appropriate response.

The Lancashire Krakatoa erupted not once but twice last week. It was the usual stuff; part malice, part mischief, part self-promotion, part selfdelusion. And the louder he shouted, the more we wondered: how has it come to this? Why do people hang on the words of one with so little of interest to say?

As you may have gathered, this column has no great regard for Allardyce. His manner is crude and his teams even cruder. He produced a Bolton side which was moderately successful and miserably unwatchable. He was then employed by Newcastle's Freddy Shepherd, shortly before Shepherd decided to seize the money and scamper. Newcastle had become almost as charmless as Bolton when the new chairman, Mike Ashley, sent Allardyce packing with his pride hurt and pockets full. His passing was not widely mourned on Tyneside.

He then he turned up at Blackburn, where he has produced a scowling, muscular, intimidating side, much loved by the kind of people who don't much care for football and enjoyed watching Bolton. And yet, on the back of those dubious achievements, he has grown mysteriously ambitious.

A few weeks ago, he announced that he would leave the Premier League in two or three seasons and take over a national team.

He didn't specify the fortunate nation - could Germany become more efficient? Do Brazil need more flair? Are Spain really the finished article? - but deep down we knew. Since he doesn't approve of a foreigner managing England, then there was only one job that could accommodate him.

But we may have been wrong. His thoughts are now directed at some of Europe's needy clubs. 'I'm not suited to Bolton or Blackburn, I would be more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid,' he declared. 'It wouldn't be a problem for me to manage those clubs because I would win the Double or the league every time.'

We imagined all those Italian and Spanish executives wailing: 'Why did we waste our time on Trapattoni, Hiddink, Capello and Del Bosque when Big Sam was there for the taking?'

Yet if a job at Inter or Real should fail to materialise, would his arrogance be dented? Not at all. 'Give me Manchester United or Chelsea and I would do the same', he promised. 'It wouldn't be a problem.' As you see, he has no shortage of confidence. Ability is a rather different matter. Yet it was that misplaced confidence which led him into another clumsy assault upon his old enemy, Arsene Wenger.

The Arsenal manager holds Allardyce in the deepest contempt and finds great glee in beating Blackburn on a regular basis. For his part, Allardyce loathes Wenger.

Indeed, I suspect he doesn't much care for foreigners at large - he once argued that he would have been offered the England job had his name been 'Allardici'. But Wenger is his most regular target. And so he has lifted his blunderbuss and taken unsteady aim.

I quote: 'Arsene has most of the media in his pocket now and is almost - almost - affecting the officials so that you can't tackle an Arsenal player. That's something he's very clever at working in his favour, you can see that. He's a very clever man in terms of influencing referees, officials and everyone in football ... In terms of saying people are trying to injure players, he's trying to influence, through the media, the referees and that's something they shouldn't get sucked into.'

Extraordinary stuff. Not English but gibberish. It makes John Prescott sound like Barack Obama. And do you know what is worse? He thinks he's being smart. Not that tosh about Wenger pocketing the media - the reality is that the Frenchman barely tolerates scribblers, while few managers work harder at cultivating media chums than Allardyce himself.

No, it's the fact that he clearly believes that by drawing attention to Wenger's alleged attempts to influence referees, he will persuade those same officials to take a harder line with Arsenal.

This is known as a 'mind game', a sport for which Allardyce seems conspicuously ill-equipped.

But perhaps we should not judge him too harshly, for he is both absurdly rewarded and fatuously indulged.

Of course, the best managers firmly refuse to inhale foolish flattery. They are not our concern.

No, the real problems lie with the others, the daftly deluded, the ones who close their eyes and see themselves at San Siro or the Bernabeu, teaching the foreigners the mysteries of Route One.

Mockery is the very least they deserve.
 
Football is put in its place by Grant

West Ham United seem destined to spend a struggling season and their manager, Avram Grant, will surely suffer many months of honest criticism and cheap abuse.

Yet his decision to miss yesterday's match at Stoke in order to mark Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement, does him enormous credit.

Effectively, he is saying that sport has its place but it is essentially a peripheral pleasure.

Some things are more central, more fundamental and immeasurably more important. Even those of us who are not of the Jewish faith will respect and admire his civilised decision.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1313278/PATRICK-COLLINS-Pity-poor-foreigners-Sam-Allardyce-gets-way.html#ixzz0zyAxs6Cf

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: alpal78 on Sunday 19 September 2010, 03:00:50 PM
Not sure if this has been posted but more self praising from the idiot


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Sam Allardyce insists he has respect for Arsene Wenger but says there is "not a chance" the Arsenal boss is a more advanced coach.


Allardyce has long had a fractious relationship with Wenger, and the Blackburn manager has revealed that he has found him difficult from their first meeting over a decade ago.

"I first met Arsene Wenger in 1999 when I was manager of Notts County and we sold Jermaine Pennant to Arsenal for a record £2million," he said in his News of the World column. "I was really looking forward to meeting him but all I got was a handshake. No more.

"We have crossed swords many more times in the years since but I gave up inviting him for a glass of wine after games long ago because I know he won't come.

"The truth is that nobody really knows Arsene Wenger. There certainly aren't too many people who actually get close to him. Sir Alex Ferguson and some of the foreign coaches like Avram Grant always pop in for a drink so I don't think it's a problem with my wine!

"If that's Arsene's way, though, then I respect that. Maybe he doesn't like me. Maybe he is keen to get on the coach or the plane after fulfilling 45 minutes of post-match media duties."

Allardyce repeated his claim that Wenger is using the media to influence referees in the column, but added: "None of all this affects my view of Wenger.

"I have total respect for the way he changed his philosophy in recent years when the £400 million move to the Emirates Stadium reduced his spending power in the transfer market."

Allardyce says, though, that he believes he is on an equal footing with Wenger when it comes to management.

"When I say what I think there are people who say "Oh, it's only antiquated Sam Allardyce", and all kinds of b******* like that," he said. "There is a problem with perception.

"Arsene is seen as a sophisticated Frenchman while I'm just a rugged English centre-half from the Midlands with an accent to match, but is Arsene more advanced than me in terms of coaching? Not a chance.

"Does he use live fitness data on his players during games? Does he study sports psychology every day? Does he use sports science to the extent that I do? I doubt it.


"None of all this affects my view of Wenger. I have total respect for the way he changed his philosophy in recent years when the £400 million move to the Emirates Stadium reduced his spending power in the transfer market.

"He hasn't won trophies yet with his current crop but he has stuck to his guns by insisting that nothing will prevent the development of his young players. Arsenal play some wonderful football but what makes the Premier League interesting is the difference in styles between teams."

Allardyce also revealed he was disappointed to see Rafael Benitez leave Liverpool this summer.

"I am gutted that Rafa Benitez has gone. He hated me and I used to love winding him up. For years he came to Bolton and never got a result and used to accuse us of cheating."

For me those two parts in bold really highlight the type of person he is.  The first part shows he is so desperate to prove that he is different with all his reliance on sports science that he is blinded even when they are utterly ineffective.

The second part just proves that he is a c***...to be disappointed to see someone go just because he can't wind him up anymore...absolutely no class!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: M4 on Sunday 19 September 2010, 03:03:11 PM
:lol:

That Twitter account looks more likely to actually being him every day.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Sunday 19 September 2010, 03:21:20 PM
:lol: f***ing Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: elbee909 on Sunday 19 September 2010, 03:22:29 PM
I reckon he thinks he's 'doing a Mourinho' by deflecting all the attention onto himself. 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Sunday 19 September 2010, 03:24:02 PM
I shouldn't be, but I am extremely embarrassed for him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Sunday 19 September 2010, 03:27:20 PM
He should join WWE and make a tag-team with Randy Orton, he would be such a fantastic heel.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ridzuan on Sunday 19 September 2010, 03:50:12 PM
Big Sam is on steroids seriously.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 19 September 2010, 04:10:23 PM
Glad we chopped him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wyn davies on Sunday 19 September 2010, 05:18:10 PM
wot a pillick signs of dementia creeping up on him
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Sunday 19 September 2010, 05:50:24 PM
All the ego of Brian Clough with none of the talent, what a guy.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Carlito on Sunday 19 September 2010, 06:03:45 PM
Allardyce and all his live science gadgets mumbo jumbo reminds me of that 6 million dollar man clip off Family Guy. What a clown.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Sunday 19 September 2010, 06:12:38 PM
He should join WWE and make a tag-team with Randy Orton, he would be such a fantastic heel.

Would have made a sweet alliance with these guys:

(http://www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/pictures/n/naturaldisasters/06.jpg)

The Natural Disasters: Earthquake, Typhoon and Shitehawk.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Carlito on Sunday 19 September 2010, 06:20:18 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 19 September 2010, 06:47:24 PM
He sounds like the George Lucas of football.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 19 September 2010, 07:07:06 PM
Randy Orton isn't a heel anymore, tbh  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 19 September 2010, 08:56:33 PM
I hate the Daily Mail almost as much as Big Sam himself, but that was hilarious.

The guy never fails to amaze, I actually like him more the more self-deluded balls he comes out with.

It's the Blackburn fans I fell sorry for.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Sunday 19 September 2010, 09:11:18 PM
Randy Orton isn't a heel anymore, tbh  :rolleyes:

Man, I really don't keep up with WWE that much.

And a shame that, he was so great winding people up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Chris_R on Sunday 19 September 2010, 09:29:01 PM
Every time Blackburn play I hope they lose. I really want him to just disappear up his own arse and into obscurity.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Sunday 19 September 2010, 09:39:12 PM
He is such an annoying c*nt - he is the worst example of the sort of manager the modern Premiership can produce. He will do a job of keeping clubs in the league and desperate owners/chairmen will always give him a job and he will preserve their asset and won't let them down. The football will be horrifically functional and physical. But the fact that he's managed in the Premiership for so long has given him some sort of delusion  that he is able to work at a higher level and it is utter crap. Pulis is cast in the same mould imo.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Sunday 19 September 2010, 09:42:24 PM
I watch any football that is on TV... unless the opposition is Blackburn.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 19 September 2010, 09:42:44 PM
amazing how he accuses wenger of having the press in his pocket while listening to the sunday suppliment podcast and they were all saying ah its just sam wanting to wind people up rather than calling his statement that he would win a double per season the utter self delusion it is
w*****
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Darth Crooks on Sunday 19 September 2010, 09:43:55 PM
He is such an annoying c*nt - he is the worst example of the sort of manager the modern Premiership can produce. He will do a job of keeping clubs in the league and desperate owners/chairmen will always give him a job and he will preserve their asset and won't let them down. The football will be horrifically functional and physical. But the fact that he's managed in the Premiership for so long has given him some sort of delusion  that he is able to work at a higher level and it is utter crap. Pulis is cast in the same mould imo.

He is like Walmart...serves a purpose but it ultimately the root of all evil
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 20 September 2010, 01:08:59 AM
He really thinks he's done a stellar job at Blackburn, but really they haven't exceeded any expectations in any way shape or form. 5pts from 5 games, 14th in the league, and the way he's mouthing off you'd think they were top, but in his mind they are, as Blackburn are only there because they are holding him back, and its not his fault and can do no more.

Blackburn survived a relegation battle and it was down to him playing for tight wins at home and parking the bus away. He's done alright in the transfer market, a lot better than what he done here, but really nothing spectacular.

He's mainly just p*ssed off the takeover fell through, he thought he was going to get £100m to spunk on his team and put them in Europe while advertising himself for the england job in 2 years; problem is it would be the negative, boring & over the midfield football which for relegation battles is great, but for anything more would be humped over by skill and attacking play, and the reason he very rarely wins away from home.

He's a boring, egotistical knobhead who could have done a good job here if he were to play attacking football and apply all the s*** he's good at to it, but he was too stubborn and too set in his ways to take a risk, it's easy for him to say he never got a chance but deep down he knows he did and that chance ended because of too many mistakes, mainly in the transfer market and the way he approached games at home. He's a Chairman's dream for bottom clubs of the division, while a knight on a white horse for medium clubs finding themselves in a relegation battle, but anyone wanting to make the step up and in to a top 8 club they'd never touch the like of Sam Allardyce and why he constantly finds the need to self promote at any opportunity, because for him hopefully some c*** out there is as stupid as Freddie Shepherd and is willing to give him another go at a club with the resources to do it.



 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Lefty Toon on Monday 20 September 2010, 02:03:21 AM
He is such an annoying c*nt - he is the worst example of the sort of manager the modern Premiership can produce. He will do a job of keeping clubs in the league and desperate owners/chairmen will always give him a job and he will preserve their asset and won't let them down. The football will be horrifically functional and physical. But the fact that he's managed in the Premiership for so long has given him some sort of delusion  that he is able to work at a higher level and it is utter crap. Pulis is cast in the same mould imo.


no he is utter sh*t

He is like Walmart...serves a purpose but it ultimately the root of all evil
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 20 September 2010, 10:04:41 AM
He is such an annoying c*nt - he is the worst example of the sort of manager the modern Premiership can produce. He will do a job of keeping clubs in the league and desperate owners/chairmen will always give him a job and he will preserve their asset and won't let them down. The football will be horrifically functional and physical. But the fact that he's managed in the Premiership for so long has given him some sort of delusion  that he is able to work at a higher level and it is utter crap. Pulis is cast in the same mould imo.


no he is utter sh*t

He is like Walmart...serves a purpose but it ultimately the root of all evil

Nice avatar. I have a Carp hat :thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Monday 20 September 2010, 10:05:36 AM
He really thinks he's done a stellar job at Blackburn, but really they haven't exceeded any expectations in any way shape or form. 5pts from 5 games, 14th in the league, and the way he's mouthing off you'd think they were top, but in his mind they are, as Blackburn are only there because they are holding him back, and its not his fault and can do no more.

Blackburn survived a relegation battle and it was down to him playing for tight wins at home and parking the bus away. He's done alright in the transfer market, a lot better than what he done here, but really nothing spectacular.

He's mainly just p*ssed off the takeover fell through, he thought he was going to get £100m to spunk on his team and put them in Europe while advertising himself for the england job in 2 years; problem is it would be the negative, boring & over the midfield football which for relegation battles is great, but for anything more would be humped over by skill and attacking play, and the reason he very rarely wins away from home.

He's a boring, egotistical knobhead who could have done a good job here if he were to play attacking football and apply all the s*** he's good at to it, but he was too stubborn and too set in his ways to take a risk, it's easy for him to say he never got a chance but deep down he knows he did and that chance ended because of too many mistakes, mainly in the transfer market and the way he approached games at home. He's a Chairman's dream for bottom clubs of the division, while a knight on a white horse for medium clubs finding themselves in a relegation battle, but anyone wanting to make the step up and in to a top 8 club they'd never touch the like of Sam Allardyce and why he constantly finds the need to self promote at any opportunity, because for him hopefully some c*** out there is as stupid as Freddie Shepherd and is willing to give him another go at a club with the resources to do it.

 :clap: spot on!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 20 September 2010, 10:12:31 AM
He really thinks he's done a stellar job at Blackburn, but really they haven't exceeded any expectations in any way shape or form. 5pts from 5 games, 14th in the league, and the way he's mouthing off you'd think they were top, but in his mind they are, as Blackburn are only there because they are holding him back, and its not his fault and can do no more.

Blackburn survived a relegation battle and it was down to him playing for tight wins at home and parking the bus away. He's done alright in the transfer market, a lot better than what he done here, but really nothing spectacular.

He's mainly just p*ssed off the takeover fell through, he thought he was going to get £100m to spunk on his team and put them in Europe while advertising himself for the england job in 2 years; problem is it would be the negative, boring & over the midfield football which for relegation battles is great, but for anything more would be humped over by skill and attacking play, and the reason he very rarely wins away from home.

He's a boring, egotistical knobhead who could have done a good job here if he were to play attacking football and apply all the s*** he's good at to it, but he was too stubborn and too set in his ways to take a risk, it's easy for him to say he never got a chance but deep down he knows he did and that chance ended because of too many mistakes, mainly in the transfer market and the way he approached games at home. He's a Chairman's dream for bottom clubs of the division, while a knight on a white horse for medium clubs finding themselves in a relegation battle, but anyone wanting to make the step up and in to a top 8 club they'd never touch the like of Sam Allardyce and why he constantly finds the need to self promote at any opportunity, because for him hopefully some c*** out there is as stupid as Freddie Shepherd and is willing to give him another go at a club with the resources to do it.



 


 :thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 20 September 2010, 02:06:51 PM
would love to see how england fare in a major competition with Allardyce in charge. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mani on Monday 20 September 2010, 02:15:13 PM
for the life of me i cannot understand the arrogance that exude from this man. just blimey!

some people are arrogant because they very good looking, some are cus they are actually genius, some others are because they r extremely successful.

some are simply just delusional..
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 20 September 2010, 02:38:33 PM
He's the kind of freak who would pop up on X Factor despite being tone deaf.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: High Five o/ on Monday 20 September 2010, 02:41:26 PM
He's the kind of freak who would pop up on X Factor despite being tone deaf.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Monday 20 September 2010, 02:46:57 PM
would love to see how england fare in a major competition with Allardyce in charge. :lol:

probably tonked 6-0 in the first game by someone like czech republic which knocks the stuffing out of us, fluke a 1-1 draw from a long ball up field in the 2nd against cameroon, scrape a 0-0 draw in the 3rd against chile and go out on goal difference, with our top scorer being the veteran kevin davies with one goal
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: palnese on Tuesday 21 September 2010, 04:19:16 PM
http://robborobson.blogspot.com/

The Real Deal - with Sam Allardyce

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 21 September 2010, 04:37:50 PM
I love anything insulting Big Sam as much as the next guy, but that was horrendous :lol: I gave up when it got to Diouf.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Tuesday 21 September 2010, 07:33:23 PM
would love to see how england fare in a major competition with Allardyce in charge. :lol:

I actually want him to get the England job and he f***s up big time
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: HawK on Tuesday 21 September 2010, 10:11:08 PM
would love to see how england fare in a major competition with Allardyce in charge. :lol:

I actually want him to get the England job and he f***s up big time

He's not an international manager, he's a club manager, his whole ethos is set up for day-to-day management. Will never see him at England for that reason alone.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: hakka on Tuesday 21 September 2010, 10:17:04 PM
He really thinks he's done a stellar job at Blackburn, but really they haven't exceeded any expectations in any way shape or form. 5pts from 5 games, 14th in the league, and the way he's mouthing off you'd think they were top, but in his mind they are, as Blackburn are only there because they are holding him back, and its not his fault and can do no more.

Blackburn survived a relegation battle and it was down to him playing for tight wins at home and parking the bus away. He's done alright in the transfer market, a lot better than what he done here, but really nothing spectacular.

He's mainly just p*ssed off the takeover fell through, he thought he was going to get £100m to spunk on his team and put them in Europe while advertising himself for the england job in 2 years; problem is it would be the negative, boring & over the midfield football which for relegation battles is great, but for anything more would be humped over by skill and attacking play, and the reason he very rarely wins away from home.

He's a boring, egotistical knobhead who could have done a good job here if he were to play attacking football and apply all the s*** he's good at to it, but he was too stubborn and too set in his ways to take a risk, it's easy for him to say he never got a chance but deep down he knows he did and that chance ended because of too many mistakes, mainly in the transfer market and the way he approached games at home. He's a Chairman's dream for bottom clubs of the division, while a knight on a white horse for medium clubs finding themselves in a relegation battle, but anyone wanting to make the step up and in to a top 8 club they'd never touch the like of Sam Allardyce and why he constantly finds the need to self promote at any opportunity, because for him hopefully some c*** out there is as stupid as Freddie Shepherd and is willing to give him another go at a club with the resources to do it.



 

Brilliantly well said mate.  It's so funny as Sam had a great chance with us and he had money to spend.  What he served up was total s*** and if he went to a big club and had money to spend I would wager he would be found out again.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Tuesday 21 September 2010, 10:21:30 PM
Oh, it was all a bit of a joke apparently.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9019887.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9019887.stm)

Or does really he mean that he wasn't expecting to get the universal response of 'f***ing clown' he has for believing the voices in his head and letting them do one of his press conferences, so he's trying to back pedal to reclaim what little is left of his 'reputation'.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 22 September 2010, 08:41:37 AM
he's a w***** like
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 22 September 2010, 08:51:11 AM
Would make a great pundit with his vast knowledge of tactics, his global scouting networks & his knowledge of modern training techniques. Really the BBC should create BBCA channel, wonder if Townsend Tactics Truck is available for hire?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Elbel1 on Thursday 23 September 2010, 03:59:42 PM
would love to see how england fare in a major competition with Allardyce in charge. :lol:

Have a look on ebay and buy Mike Bassett England manager on DVD
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 23 September 2010, 04:02:11 PM
I'm sure he thinks he is made of solid gold.

(http://whatigotsofar.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/goldhomer.jpg?w=600)

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Thursday 23 September 2010, 04:03:33 PM
would love to see how england fare in a major competition with Allardyce in charge. :lol:

Have a look on ebay and buy Mike Bassett England manager on DVD

harsh on bassett tbh
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Raconteur on Friday 24 September 2010, 03:33:49 PM
More of Big Sam's delusion:

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Allardyce: Holloway on a par with Fergie and Jose

Sam Allardyce believes Ian Holloway's achievements at Blackpool deserve the kind of credit that has been awarded to Sir Alex Ferguson and Jose Mourinho.

Holloway, whose previous management experience involved long spells at Bristol Rovers and QPR, resigned from Plymouth in 2007 less than four months after his first game and then had an even shorter spell at Leicester in 2008, which ended with the club's relegation to League One.

However, he took charge of Championship side Blackpool in May 2009 and, despite the club having been made favourites for relegation, he steered them to the Premier League via the play-offs.

Ahead of Blackburn's visit to Bloomfield Road on Saturday, Allardyce has hailed Holloway's work at the club and said he feels his efforts are not fully recognised.

"He has been a good manager for many years," he said. "This is a major achievement and there are not many managers who have done what he has done and he should be very proud of his successes.

"When you look at what resources they have, we don't give them the plaudits they deserve because they are a small, unfashionable club, but in terms of resources and finance it lies alongside anything Alex Ferguson or Jose Mourinho has done, in reality.

"Ian probably thought he was written off as a manager but got the opportunity to go to Blackpool and he has put all his experience together. He created enough energy and management know-how to take the players that he put together and make them play as a team and they thoroughly deserved what they got in the end.

"It is a fairytale story. Now the hard part is trying to maintain their status in the Premier League."

Allardyce's first management job in England came at Blackpool in 1994, and he led the club to the play-offs in the third tier in his second season. They failed to gain promotion that season or the following year and, despite the club having flirted with relegation for the two seasons before Allardyce's arrival, he was sacked in 1996.

"I still haven't really understood it," he said. "I was in the very early stages of my career as a manager and that sacking could really have damaged my career.

"I was not that established as a manager but losing in the play-off has some credibility by doing well at a club like Blackpool over two years. Thankfully I got the job at Notts County and I continued to go on from there.

"It was a devastating time and I didn't understand it but it is long gone and, as a manager, I've moved on and upwards."

The Holloway stuff is just as bad as the bolded bit, but at least it's not self-delusion!

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=826470&sec=england&cc=3436
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Exiled in Texas on Friday 24 September 2010, 03:44:57 PM
Quote from: Big Sam
"I was in the very early stages of my career as a manager and that sacking could really have damaged my career".

Because all footbally clubs (and all businesses) think about your career first, and put their own business need second.  FFS - If you're crap you're gone - not my problem Sammy.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: henke on Friday 24 September 2010, 03:48:26 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but watching blacburns goal last weekend - a sixty yard punt, diouf intentionally taking the keeper out, and a clogger heading into an empty net.  f*** me i'm glad we got rid of that t***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 24 September 2010, 06:44:54 PM
I don't know about anyone else, but watching blacburns goal last weekend - a sixty yard punt, diouf intentionally taking the keeper out, and a clogger heading into an empty net.  f*** me i'm glad we got rid of that t***.

Picturing Özil, Cronaldo and Higuaín doing this as per his previous deluded comments :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gash? on Friday 24 September 2010, 06:54:46 PM
I apologise now for my language but

I f***ing hate this c***, Wenger is light years ahead of this oaf and his pre-historic tactics, who does he think he is? He's s***.


"Allardyce said "long ball tag" is unfair and blame it on "a certain manager who I beat a lot". Later said he beat that beat using long ball."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: alpal78 on Friday 24 September 2010, 07:04:56 PM
I apologise now for my language but

I f***ing hate this c***, Wenger is light years ahead of this oaf and his pre-historic tactics, who does he think he is? He's s***.


"Allardyce said "long ball tag" is unfair and blame it on "a certain manager who I beat a lot". Later said he beat that beat using long ball."

No need to apologize when it comes to fat Sam, he deserves all the curse he gets!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: EthiGeordie on Saturday 25 September 2010, 03:22:10 PM
Allardyce: There will never be another manager like me

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=826676&sec=england&cc=5901

I thank God for that!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chicago_shearer on Saturday 25 September 2010, 03:37:20 PM
I sometimes wonder if that Twitter feed is the real deal.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 29 September 2010, 04:08:47 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/gallery/2010/sep/28/sam-allardyce

this been posted?  the sliding doors one got me real good :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 29 September 2010, 08:17:58 AM
The superman one sums hm up a treat.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Wednesday 29 September 2010, 02:20:28 PM
Sitting in the docs watching a daft video of Sam allardyce lecturing children about obesity  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 29 September 2010, 04:54:08 PM
Sitting in the docs watching a daft video of Sam allardyce lecturing children about obesity  :lol:

i bet that's fantastic  :kasper:
i'm gonna search a well known video site for that
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Wednesday 29 September 2010, 05:30:25 PM
Sitting in the docs watching a daft video of Sam allardyce lecturing children about obesity  :lol:

i bet that's fantastic  :kasper:
i'm gonna search a well known video site for that

I was at two different places today and it was on at both, north Tyneside medical centre health channels lol.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Thursday 14 October 2010, 09:50:10 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9093173.stm
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 14 October 2010, 09:56:40 PM
Dispicable old b******.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: UV on Friday 15 October 2010, 10:02:07 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9093173.stm

Tbf I had to laugh at the idea that he sent us out too fired up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 15 October 2010, 10:21:08 AM
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"The perception of Blackburn Rovers is the wrong one, in many, many cases and we have to live with it," said Allardyce. "The perception of Sam Allardyce is the wrong one, but I have to live with it.

 :bluestar:

Right, give him the England job and let him show the world what he can do.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Friday 15 October 2010, 10:36:08 AM
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"The perception of Blackburn Rovers is the wrong one, in many, many cases and we have to live with it," said Allardyce. "The perception of Sam Allardyce is the wrong one, but I have to live with it.

 :bluestar:

Right, give him the England job and let him show the world what he can do.


Sometimes he just sounds like The Rock

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xF7iX868Nzc&feature=related
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 15 October 2010, 10:45:03 AM
I owuld have had more repsct for Allerdyce if he told Danny Murphy to stick it up his "candy ass"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Friday 15 October 2010, 10:47:37 AM
i'd like to see him get the celtic job, and then for rangers to win the league. see how he likes being on the end of some real venom  :angry:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 15 October 2010, 10:51:27 AM
"Can you smell what the big sam is coooookin?"

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Friday 15 October 2010, 10:55:34 AM
:lol: I'd love to see Big Sam do a collaboration with Wyclef Jean like.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: clintdempsey on Friday 15 October 2010, 11:01:46 AM
:lol: I'd love to see Big Sam do a collaboration with Wyclef Jean like.

To the tune of Perfect Gentleman:

Just cause I play the long ball
It don't make me a ho, no
El Hadji put ye trousers on
We're going to the disco

We're gonna kick
Me and McCarthy, Mick
We're gonna show them c***s
Who the bosses really are
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Friday 15 October 2010, 11:03:06 AM
He's a fat f***ing mess and wants to hurry up and get blackburn relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Doctor Zaius on Friday 15 October 2010, 05:40:30 PM
The man has truely lost the plot.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Sunday 17 October 2010, 12:03:14 PM
:lol: I'd love to see Big Sam do a collaboration with Wyclef Jean like.

To the tune of Perfect Gentleman:

Just cause I play the long ball
It don't make me a ho, no
El Hadji put ye trousers on
We're going to the disco

We're gonna kick
Me and McCarthy, Mick
We're gonna show them c***s
Who the bosses really are


:lol: class.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Liam Liam Liam O on Saturday 23 October 2010, 11:39:34 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dS3OveJZ_k&feature=fvw

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 23 October 2010, 12:13:17 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dS3OveJZ_k&feature=fvw


Youtube ad for me was for "SMB Surveillance", that's what you get when a robot trawls the comments to target adverts :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Doctor Zaius on Saturday 23 October 2010, 12:46:50 PM
Some fantasti efforts there tbf.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Monday 15 November 2010, 10:38:48 AM
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Big Sam admits Roberts breakdown
Rovers boss admits to dreadful rapport with unhappy striker

Blackburn Rovers manager Sam Allardyce has admitted that he and striker Jason Roberts do not like each other.

The working relationship has come under the spotlight after Roberts stepped out of a fringe role to score winning goals against Wigan and Newcastle earlier in November.

Despite his heroics, the 32-year-old started on the bench in Saturday's 4-2 defeat to Tottenham to again raise question marks about his future at Ewood Park.

And Allardyce admits that, although he has been impressed with Roberts' form, he suffers an awful rapport with the unhappy ex-West Brom and Wigan man.

Angry
The Rovers boss said in The Sun: "I wouldn't say we like each other that much but we are getting on OK.

"He wanted to make a statement and he has done very well at it.

"If he wants to show his misery as he has done by scoring the winner, long may it continue.

"He has forced himself into being almost the No.1 selection for the frontline at the moment.

"He is playing great so we will keep him as angry as we can!"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: steve_69 on Monday 15 November 2010, 02:05:51 PM
Quote
Big Sam admits Roberts breakdown
Rovers boss admits to dreadful rapport with unhappy striker

Blackburn Rovers manager Sam Allardyce has admitted that he and striker Jason Roberts do not like each other.

The working relationship has come under the spotlight after Roberts stepped out of a fringe role to score winning goals against Wigan and Newcastle earlier in November.

Despite his heroics, the 32-year-old started on the bench in Saturday's 4-2 defeat to Tottenham to again raise question marks about his future at Ewood Park.

And Allardyce admits that, although he has been impressed with Roberts' form, he suffers an awful rapport with the unhappy ex-West Brom and Wigan man.

Angry
The Rovers boss said in The Sun: "I wouldn't say we like each other that much but we are getting on OK.

"He wanted to make a statement and he has done very well at it.

"If he wants to show his misery as he has done by scoring the winner, long may it continue.

"He has forced himself into being almost the No.1 selection for the frontline at the moment.

"He is playing great so we will keep him as angry as we can!"


f***ing prick.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Monday 15 November 2010, 11:54:30 PM
Bellends the pair of them
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 16 November 2010, 05:23:17 PM
What the f*** kind of thing is that to come out with?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Tuesday 16 November 2010, 05:27:18 PM
Bellends the pair of them
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Fenham Mag on Tuesday 16 November 2010, 06:47:02 PM
Maybe we could swap him for Smith?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Geordiesned on Tuesday 16 November 2010, 06:58:17 PM
I'd love to see Roberts celebrating a goal by running over to the bench and kicking the f*** out of FS.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 16 November 2010, 07:01:59 PM
I'd love to see Roberts celebrating a goal by running over to the bench and kicking the f*** out of FS.

:lol:

I'd pay good money to see that. Better value than the Beatles on iTunes by a stretch. ;)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 16 November 2010, 07:03:19 PM
I'd love to see Roberts celebrating a goal by running over to the bench and kicking the f*** out of FS.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd take him scoring against us again to see that.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Tuesday 16 November 2010, 10:48:34 PM
I'd love to see Roberts celebrating a goal by running over to the bench and kicking the f*** out of FS.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd take him scoring against us again to see that.

If he'd done it against us, about 40,000 people would have joined in :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Wednesday 17 November 2010, 07:35:59 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,12016_6513097,00.html

Forgetting the story itself, the picture alone makes me laugh :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 17 November 2010, 07:38:35 PM
(http://img.skysports.com/10/10/800x600/Sam-Allardyce-edited1_2519771.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Wednesday 17 November 2010, 07:42:09 PM
f*** me dude, it was funny in the article, you've just caused that f***ing troll to enter my nightmares tonight.  :-[
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 17 November 2010, 07:44:19 PM
f*** me dude, it was funny in the article, you've just caused that f***ing troll to enter my nightmares tonight.  :-[

 :lol: sorry.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Wednesday 17 November 2010, 07:46:59 PM
It's the tongue. Horrific.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 18 November 2010, 08:43:47 AM
(http://img.skysports.com/10/10/800x600/Sam-Allardyce-edited1_2519771.jpg)


 :tiote:

(http://newtonideas.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/jabbarotj.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Thursday 18 November 2010, 12:30:12 PM
Hardly even needs a :tiote: for that, sausage roll would have done it
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: johnnypd on Friday 19 November 2010, 02:47:42 PM
i wonder if blackburn's new owners will copy ashley and ditch the fatty...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ElDiablo on Friday 19 November 2010, 02:53:53 PM
"That new Pixie Lott video is sumptuous. I'd suck the toes right off her."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Friday 19 November 2010, 02:55:01 PM
i wonder if blackburn's new owners will copy ashley and ditch the fatty...

If they do he'll get a big cheque as a payoff and "Casa Ewood" will take its place in his property portfolio.   
He'd get another job as well...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 19 November 2010, 02:59:27 PM
i wonder if blackburn's new owners will copy ashley and ditch the fatty...

Then bring back Dagleish?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Friday 19 November 2010, 03:05:00 PM
i wonder if blackburn's new owners will copy ashley and ditch the fatty...

Then bring back Dagleish?

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 25 November 2010, 01:54:29 PM
He's f***ed:

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11676_6526078,00.html

Expected to entertain from now on.  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:04:25 PM
Hahaha :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:05:27 PM
They've certainly bought the right club.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:07:50 PM
:mackems:

Unlucky you fat w*****
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:09:27 PM
I'd love to be there when she (a woman no less! ;)) says that to him. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: High Five o/ on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:10:29 PM
Haha, Jesus, could it be better? Its like asking a hippopotamus to look sexy :lol:

This is going to be entertaining for sure.  :iamatwat:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:19:10 PM
I'd love to be there when she (a woman no less! ;)) says that to him. :lol:

Would be ace to have seen it.  :lol:


Going to be a right laugh watching him dress up stats in public as attractive football.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Heneage on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:19:22 PM
I'd love to be there when she (a woman no less! ;)) says that to him. :lol:
Like Alf Garnett being made Foreign secretary.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: UV on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:22:00 PM
Surely that's grounds for constructive dismissal for Fat Sham?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:31:04 PM
He'll just say that he plays entertaining football as he wins games.  Then try and confuse people with "samstats".

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:40:50 PM
Loved the guy in the comments asking what's wrong with long ball football. Stockholm Syndrome :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Thursday 25 November 2010, 02:44:03 PM
Loved the guy in the comments asking what's wrong with long ball football. Stockholm Syndrome :lol:

Going to Barcelona after Blackburn.  O0
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Thursday 25 November 2010, 06:40:35 PM
While I'm frustrated even Blackburn seem to have oodles more to spend than us, it's amusing how disastrous it looks like turning out.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Thursday 25 November 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Couldn't care less if Blackburn establish themselves with money tbh, as long as Fat Sam gets f***ed over in the process.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Thursday 25 November 2010, 08:08:55 PM
They have a few players who can play, but the rest are battering rams. Significant investment would be needed first before they could play football as well as survive.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Thursday 25 November 2010, 08:10:56 PM
what money he has 5m to spend in jan
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Thursday 25 November 2010, 08:15:35 PM
Exactly. Blackburn will go down if they try to play carpet football.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Thursday 25 November 2010, 08:35:19 PM
Days are definitely numbered.
Canny funny if he gets dumped by new owners for the second time.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Thursday 25 November 2010, 08:45:24 PM
Days are definitely numbered.
Canny funny if he gets dumped by new owners for the second time.

Wonder if he'll be as bitter second time around
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Friday 26 November 2010, 04:33:12 PM
He will be able to say that he "wasn't their man" and didn't do anything wrong again though, which will be f***ing annoying.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Friday 26 November 2010, 04:37:34 PM
As much as I despise the guy, if I was the owner of a financially poor Championship side who'd just won promotion, he'd probably one of the first managers i'd approach to guarentee survival.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Friday 26 November 2010, 05:04:01 PM
As much as I despise the guy, if I was the owner of a financially poor Championship side who'd just won promotion, he'd probably one of the first managers i'd approach to guarentee survival.

Totally agree.
Thats why he'll always find a job. If he gets sacked by Blackburn (and paid off) he'll get the job at somewhere like Wigan or Cardiff and he'll be joining in with the laughter on this forum.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:06:36 PM
Four goals in a game is pretty entertaining tbh. :iamatwat:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:07:05 PM
Or five.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:23:35 PM
or six.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Chubby Jason on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:24:45 PM
Oh chuffin' 'ell.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:25:13 PM
When you go to Old Trafford and try to play attacking, free-flowing football there is always the risk that you'll be punished......
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:25:31 PM
At least he's entertaining 91 sets of fans in the country today :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:28:50 PM
:spit:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: QBG on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:29:31 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:30:19 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/28/article-1223486-04819684000005DC-941_468x380.jpg)

Fergie needs to get up and give it one of these.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:31:05 PM
Imagine if this got him the sack.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:32:00 PM
But it was entertaining!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:33:41 PM
As soon as Fat Sam is told to start playing attractive football this happens. Think he's looking for a way out and then to harp on how he was never given time by the new owners?

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:40:53 PM
Be funny as f*** if BSA get the sake off another batch of new owners.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:42:21 PM
7-1. So attacking they can score at Old Trafford.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Saturday 27 November 2010, 04:43:00 PM
Was the goal entertaining?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Saturday 27 November 2010, 05:30:50 PM
Can someone please bump this when Allardyce's post-match becomes available please? :laugh:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Saturday 27 November 2010, 05:41:26 PM
Would have been even sweeter if we hadn't handed the fat b****** the points when Blackburn were up here.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 27 November 2010, 05:48:16 PM
Can someone please bump this when Allardyce's post-match becomes available please? :laugh:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9235052.stm
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Saturday 27 November 2010, 09:25:23 PM
If Big Sam was fired, what club do you think he'd go to next?

It'd have to be another 'spoiler' team with little reputation and little fan expectation, that seems to be his niche. Teams that have fans that enjoy spoiling the party, rather than contributing to it - like a Stoke.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 27 November 2010, 10:01:19 PM
Wigan.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 27 November 2010, 10:03:26 PM
If Big Sam was fired, what club do you think he'd go to next?

It'd have to be another 'spoiler' team with little reputation and little fan expectation, that seems to be his niche. Teams that have fans that enjoy spoiling the party, rather than contributing to it - like a Stoke.

Fulham will need a new manager soon.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Fugazi on Saturday 27 November 2010, 10:03:58 PM
Any team he chooses.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Sunday 28 November 2010, 12:23:59 AM
Barca or Madrid obviously
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Sunday 28 November 2010, 11:10:25 AM
I think he'll push Houllier out of Villa at the end of the season (come on, choice of the 2, of course you're going to go Allardyce). Then he'll bide his time at a lowly club like that before Fergie retires and he takes his rightful place.

In all seriousness though, wouldn't surprise me to see him in Scotland soon.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 5 December 2010, 09:36:35 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/12/does_allardyce_get_credit_he_d.html

Quote
Does Allardyce get the credit he deserves?

Sam Allardyce admitted defeat after victory. No-one, he insists, will ever give Blackburn Rovers or their manager the credit they deserve .

This is not strictly true. Allardyce, for one, is never slow to talk up his own talents or the achievements of his players. In the absence of what he regards as their due from elsewhere, perhaps he is right to do so.

For a manager who is unlikely to ever take charge of one of the elite Premier League clubs, Allardyce cuts an oddly divisive figure in the court of public opinion.

From the methods he employs to his very obvious refusal to indulge in false modesty, such as claiming he is more suited to Inter Milan or Real Madrid than Bolton Wanderers and Blackburn Rovers, Allardyce provokes a reaction.

He was reading from a familiar script after Blackburn's 3-0 win against Wolves put them into eighth place in the table and sent Mick McCarthy's side to the bottom of the Premier League.

More on McCarthy later, but for Allardyce it was a sweet victory as he said: "We never get credit for things, but that's the way it is. We are just a small town club enjoying ourselves by winning football matches. The fortress of Ewood Park is back and the walls are getting higher."

I asked Allardyce whether he would ever get the credit he feels he should and what he might need to do to get it, and he explained: "Keep winning football matches. The most important thing is winning and entertaining and I think our fans will be happy we have beaten Aston Villa and Wolves at home in consecutive games without conceding a goal.

"If you get the maximum out of your players you can't ask any more than that."

And, with the exception of a spell at Newcastle United that ended in the sack, this is usually what Allardyce does, and whether outsiders regard the manner as pleasing on the eye or not is a matter of supreme indifference to this most self-assured of characters.

Of course there is an element of bluff about Allardyce's complaint, an "us against the world" attitude that serves his purposes well - but there is also an element of truth.

Praising Allardyce is not fashionable, or in many areas popular, but Blackburn did mix passing football with their usual trademark expertise from set-pieces here. Indeed, there was a surreal spell near the conclusion when Blackburn drew jeers from some of their own supporters for a passage of keep-ball designed to secure the result. Allardyce might have appreciated the irony.

And if, as we are constantly told, the Premier League and management are results-based businesses, then Allardyce's achievements at Ewood Park stand up to the closest scrutiny.

Some of the criticism he attracted has been justified, especially when he appeared to join forces with Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson to deliver a trumped-up accusation that former Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez had shown him and Blackburn a lack of respect two season ago.

But Allardyce is wrong when he says he and Blackburn do not get the credit they deserve, because they will get it right here.

When he succeeded Paul Ince in December 2008, they were second from bottom of the table. In two years he has secured their safety, taken them to 10th place last season and has put them in the upper reaches again, albeit in a season in its infancy.

Allardyce's approach and style of play is a taste many will never acquire, and so much is based on football's percentages that he calculates meticulously. It remains to be seen how high they finish in the Premier League in this campaign, but it is a safe bet Blackburn will not return to the lowly position in which he found them while he stays at Ewood Park.

In fact, Mike Ashley's decision to bundle him hastily out of Newcastle United on a tide of adverse public opinion backfired because, for the derision Allardyce attracts in some quarters, it is unlikely they would have ended up in the Championship under his stewardship.

He is proud of his appliance of the game's scientific side and attention to fine detail, announcing he had given his players two days off this week as he was worried about the effects of mental fatigue caused by extended car journeys to Blackburn's training ground in adverse weather.

Allardyce admitted he needed to rest himself after the 7-1 thrashing at Manchester United last Saturday. He revealed "an inquest" had been held, and Blackburn produced a performance to refresh players and manager.

As two of the teams recently named and shamed as players in the Premier League's dark side by Fulham's Danny Murphy earlier this season, Blackburn and Wolves produced a game to enjoy at a freezing Ewood Park as heavy rain washed away the snow.

Wolves opened as if they would sweep Blackburn away as Steven Ward and Ronald Zubar tested the woodwork, but once David Dunn headed in following a Morten Gamst Pedersen corner, the game was more or less up.

Shoddy defending allowed Jason Roberts to bully Steve Mouyokolo in pursuit of Michel Salgado's pass to set up a second for Brett Emerton. Wolves were wretched again when Ryan Nelsen turned in a precise Pedersen free-kick for Blackburn's third.

Wolves roused themselves late on, but it was academic other than for allowing Paul Robinson to demonstrate that he is still good enough to play for England with fine saves from Stephen Hunt and George Elokobi.

McCarthy's post-match briefing was belated, blunt and brief. It would be no surprise if his message to his players was delivered in even more stark and brutal terms - but the bottom line is that they do not appear to be listening.

No clean sheets in 16 league games is a defining statistic. If this continues it will be a long, hard season for all the talent of players like Matt Jarvis. McCarthy either needs to find a new message to make his point, especially to his defenders, or he needs new players.

Armed with finance from Blackburn's new Indian owners, Allardyce will be looking to make tweaks of his own - but his gaze is set up rather than down.

And he will continue to manage in the manner he employs with a concrete self-confidence, whether it brings him credit or not.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Sunday 5 December 2010, 04:02:20 PM
Jesus Christ. Can't help but think he pays for advertising space for s**** like that to get in the media.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:51:28 PM
He's gone. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:51:40 PM
Just seen  bluelaugh.gif
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ritchie on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:52:15 PM
Wahey! :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: cp40 on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:52:19 PM
 ???
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Toon Hoser on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:52:53 PM
Still reckons he's brilliant tho?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:52:53 PM
 :frantic: :frantic: :celb: :celb: :celb: :aww: :aww: :colo: :colo: :mackems: :mackems: :mackems: :clap: :clap: :clap2: :clap2: :thup: :thup: :smug: :iamatwat: :pow: :pow: :pow: :snod: :snod: :fishing: :fishing: :bluestar: :bluestar: :D :D


I'm happy
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:53:10 PM
I bet Mourinho is shitting himself.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ashley17 on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:53:35 PM
The Indian owners blatantly want Hughton
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr.Spaceman on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:55:12 PM
Disco time :)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mouldy_uk on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:56:47 PM
Lets hope we never see him near a premiership team any time soon (or ever)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: PM on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:56:55 PM
 :morph: :duff:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:57:05 PM
Responsible for this; a late goal courtesy of route one football from Bolton. You couldn't make it up. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Keefaz on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:57:25 PM
PoLOLski.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:58:09 PM
Lo0o0oo0o00o0olzzz!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SUPERTOON on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:58:41 PM
I think i speak for all on here when i say................


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:58:46 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Revolution Number 9 on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:58:48 PM
The UN Secretary General job awaits.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Atticus on Monday 13 December 2010, 04:59:24 PM
:mackems: :mackems: :mackems: :mackems: :mackems:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toonlass on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:00:51 PM
Lolololol Time to go, time to go, time to go, time to go, time to go, time to go, time to go-ohhhhhh, time to go-oh-oh-oh-oh! f*** OFF!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SUPERTOON on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:02:02 PM
Btw on a serious note, there was no way Blackburn were going down with Big Sam, but if they don't get the appointmnet right then they could certainly be in trouble.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:02:09 PM
 :spit:  :celb:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:02:44 PM
When he left us I said that SA will get couple more jobs at s*** clubs like West Ham or Fulham, fail there, and then disappear to the manager's scrapheap yard without much interest being showed in him again.

Getting there.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gorilla on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:02:56 PM
LOL, is this infact stranger than hughton being sacked.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: joeyt on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:03:23 PM
Who's the favourite to replace him? Will the Qataris be able to persuade a top quality manager to live in Blackburn?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:03:43 PM
:lol:
and :lol: at blackburn your going down now for sure!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Flip on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:03:54 PM
Hahaha. This and the win on Saturday brings a little smile to my face after the miserable last week.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: thenige on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:04:44 PM
Hughton to make Blackburn 1000% more likeable.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Flip on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:05:03 PM
I'd honestly love if Hughton got that job.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: geordie_b on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:05:23 PM
Liverpool fans will be shitting themselves
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SUPERTOON on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:06:07 PM
How much money have their new owners got? O'Neill might fancy it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dinho lad on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:06:41 PM
Who's the favourite to replace him? Will the Qataris be able to persuade a top quality manager to live in Blackburn?

They're indian.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ritchie on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:07:49 PM
Hughton's the favourite on Sky Bet.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Flip on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:07:54 PM
Who's the favourite to replace him? Will the Qataris be able to persuade a top quality manager to live in Blackburn?

They're indian.

joeyt is a f***ing racist ban him! ignorant f***! :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: johnnypd on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:08:33 PM
 ;D

knew this was coming. the most over-rated manager in the league. the less we see of him the better - but this probably means he'll pop up on Sky every weekend now.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Atticus on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:08:43 PM
Who's the favourite to replace him? Will the Qataris be able to persuade a top quality manager to live in Blackburn?

Blackburn is close to a lot of decent places, in fairness. Not sure the manager would be expected to live there specifically :laugh:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:09:56 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

UNLUCKY.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: DubblyDubblyDubbly on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:10:05 PM
 :promotion: GTFI. No-one more pleased than my missus cos I go ballistic whenever his ugly mug appears on the telly.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Chris_R on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:10:59 PM
Couldn't happen to a more deserving bloke. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:11:07 PM
hmm fat sham to west ham I wonder
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: biggs on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:11:16 PM
Tbh football funny season in full effect do people honestly believe he deserved sacking or is it rose tinted specs
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: joeyt on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:11:38 PM
Shearer?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jukeboxromeo on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:11:40 PM
Strange decision. Can see him going to West Ham now.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:11:50 PM
(http://www.onlinemoviesfreee.com/wp-content/uploads/HLIC/0abaf9a3ee557e9ba6306b2b4451f3d3.gif)

This needs to be modified into something more appropriate.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Adam^ on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:11:56 PM
He must be off to Inter Milan !
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:12:09 PM
 :lol:

Sam Allardyce should be banned from TV campaign is full effect
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Unbelievable! on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:13:42 PM
As much as I dislike the man, that's pretty harsh considering where they sit in the Premiership table.. Think they might be in trouble now. Second time now he gets the sack shortly after a takeover. Oh well, Inter Milan beckons..
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: timeEd32 on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:13:57 PM
Liverpool fans will be shitting themselves

I think I would die from happiness if they hired him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Unbelievable! on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:14:09 PM
Shearer?

Yes please..
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JCONA on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:14:39 PM
amazing. abit out the blue but mebbies theyre sick of his football + the s*** that comes out his mouth
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:15:09 PM
As much as I dislike the man, that's pretty harsh considering where they sit in the Premiership table.. Think they might be in trouble now. Second time now he gets the sack shortly after a takeover. Oh well, Inter Milan beckons..

I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't so far up his own arse.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:16:23 PM
Shearer?

Yes please..

Takes his two favourite clubs down.  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gazza ladra on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:16:33 PM
Hughton's the favourite on Sky Bet.

Thought Hughton was off to West Ham? Funny how he's everybody's first choice to come in and right the ship.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:16:54 PM
hmm fat sham to west ham I wonder

He'll turn up somewhere like that, any place where the owners are desperate to stay up and don't care what the football looks like. Wolves or Wigan might be other possibles. The fat b****** will have banked another sizeable payoff - no justice.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ash on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:18:03 PM
:spit:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:18:35 PM
:mackems:

So Long you fat smug t***!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: geordieglory on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:18:44 PM
Liverpool fans will be shitting themselves

I think I would die from happiness if they hired him.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:19:26 PM
Liverpool fans will be shitting themselves

I think I would die from happiness if they hired him.

Please, Football God and his 5-a-side Jebus, make it happen. PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:20:51 PM
You just know he's sitting in the dark somewhere crying over his shattered England dream.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:21:12 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:

All the same complaints.

"Bad tactics and style." 

:mackems: :mackems:

All the KFCs and Indian Restaurants in Blackburn will be getting a right Big Sam smashing tonight.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:21:45 PM
Jol or Shearer?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ritchie on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:21:52 PM
Blackburn fan just sent this e-mail to SSN;

"I hate him!"

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:22:02 PM
:lol: :lol: what the hell is happening?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:22:45 PM
Blackburn fan just sent this e-mail to SSN;

"I hate him!"

:lol:

Aye - funny s***, man. Can you imagine if he had became England manager, the out lash would have been class.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:23:36 PM
Can't imagine them going for Hughton, doesn't have enough experience with big bundles of cash.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mouldy_uk on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:24:04 PM
Liverpool fans will be shitting themselves

I think I would die from happiness if they hired him.

 :lol:

Now that would be awesome :)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: EthiGeordie on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:24:11 PM
   I am so happy since he was so saying this and that the whole last week about us....
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:24:53 PM
   I am so happy since he was so saying this and that the whole last week about us....

Aye the cheeky b******, worry about your own job first eh you defensive prick.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:26:03 PM
Haha, you fat headed b******.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:26:30 PM
He was never going to survive under the new owners. This is fun.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: 1878 on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:27:29 PM
Blackburn fan just sent this e-mail to SSN;

"I hate him!"

:lol:

Aye - funny s***, man. Can you imagine if he had became England manager, the out lash would have been class.

Is that like an outcry mixed with a backlash?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: oldtype on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:30:49 PM
There is a God.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Colocho on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:30:50 PM
Can see O'Neill or Jol for that matter holding out for the Liverpool job.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: S.S.R. on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:34:21 PM
Is he going to put a sign on his bog door at Casa St James with 'Casa Ewood' on it?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:34:25 PM
Has only been a matter of time from the moment the new owners talked about wanting to see attractive football.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:35:05 PM
I can stop hating Blackburn so much now. :thup:

Disappointed the fat pleb probably got bundles of compensation. :(
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:36:01 PM
He should double check this isn't just the Fonejacker on a wind up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:38:46 PM
Just come in from work, turned the laptop on and :spit:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:40:07 PM
Just heard. Absolutely hilarious. All the self promotion and cosying up to the press and everyone cans till see right through him. Fraud. Mark Hughes will be following shortly as he is another one who thinks he is much better than he is, and who I anticipated getting the chop before the new year.

Well the Newcastle "debacle" seems like it's going to have a very, very short lifespan in the media etc at least. Let's see what the media makes of this one. Could see a run of these with Hughes, Avram, Hodgson and maybe even Martinez getting dismissed.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: The Merse on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:41:04 PM
Can't help but think this might be a bad idea for Blackburn. for all the agricultural style of play it can be effective without the need for pricey players - if they want to play pretty they are going to have to sell lots of chickens
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:41:12 PM
:spit:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlacknWhiteArmy on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:41:51 PM
:lol:

Just heard about this
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: S.S.R. on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:41:56 PM
Yeah, Mark 'More draws than La Senza' Hughes must be next on the chopping block.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:43:07 PM
Wider plans and ambitions = football that doesn't cause comas.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:43:11 PM
I would like to reiterate: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

f*** off you w*****! :mackems:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:43:38 PM
Can't help but think this might be a bad idea for Blackburn. for all the agricultural style of play it can be effective without the need for pricey players - if they want to play pretty they are going to have to sell lots of chickens

The thing is they actually have some decent players. Look at what Coyle did at Bolton without making so many changes. If Coyle was at Blackburn for example he would certainly use those players far more effectively. Allardyce plays Roberts alone upfront and leaves Kalinic, and the Diouf from Man U on the bench all the time, and those two look really talented and would likely make a good partnership up top.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:44:47 PM
Hughes back to Blackburn. Woy back to Fulham. Souness back to Liverpool.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:45:21 PM
Hughes back to Blackburn. Woy back to Fulham. Souness back to Liverpool.

 :lol:

That would be nuts.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Carlito on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:45:40 PM
:lol: thread title

Another fine mess by the (other) fat man.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: cp40 on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:45:46 PM
Hughes back to Blackburn. Woy back to Fulham. Souness back to Liverpool.

Sam bak to toon?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:46:42 PM
Hughes back to Blackburn. Woy back to Fulham. Souness back to Liverpool.

 :lol:

Highlights how poor the selection of 'home grown' managers is, really.  :thdn:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Doctor Zaius on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:46:55 PM
(http://www.canalred.info/public/Fondos_Pantalla/Los%20Simpson/Nelson%20Muntz.jpg)

Prick.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:47:07 PM
What lovely news to come back to.

Choke on your P45 you fat t***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:47:19 PM
he must be worth a f***ing fortune.

and

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU c***
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: palnese on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:48:50 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: dazzanufc1892 on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:49:22 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA this has made my f***ing day!!!!!!!

just wot he deserves
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: AlanSkärare on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:49:23 PM
Just seen that Hughton is the bookies favourite. Anyone reckon they'll go for him?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:49:34 PM
Can't help but think this might be a bad idea for Blackburn. for all the agricultural style of play it can be effective without the need for pricey players - if they want to play pretty they are going to have to sell lots of chickens

Well they've just got rid of one huge cock, chances are they'll bring in someone like Fowler since they've missed out on Pardew who's always up for a good spit-roasting.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:49:35 PM
He'd better be buying some f***ing good xmas pressies with the amount of cash he must be rolling in now the pig.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:50:04 PM
Jol is fave at 3.5 on bet365.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:50:33 PM
After the tidal wave of sympathy for Hughton, Allardyce will be lucky to get a gob of spit.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BONTEMPI on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:54:46 PM
 :lol:

Wonder if it'll finally sink in that he's f***ing s****?

There's not a family bucket big enough to ease the pain from this setback.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SuperShola! on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:55:46 PM
He's on the dole. He's on the dole. He's on the. Fat Sam's on the dole.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:58:52 PM
  bahahahahaha his turd brand of footy is no longer required.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:59:54 PM
We should bid for Kalinic.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Monday 13 December 2010, 05:59:54 PM
I wonder where he is going to buy Casa Ewood
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shak on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:00:27 PM
:lol:

Now go and lie down on the motorway Sam, ya fat tosser.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:04:19 PM
They could have bin sitting sivinth if they'd beaten Bolton, according to Ryan Nelsen.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:05:22 PM
Can I just say and I think you'll all agree

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAH.....c***
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:07:24 PM
Sam, let's face it. And I'm not being funny. I mean no disrespect, but you're a c***. You're a c*** now, and you've always been a c***. And the only thing that's going to change is that you're going to be an even bigger c***. Maybe have some more c*** kids.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:07:53 PM
He is now off to real madrid
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: eddco on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:08:35 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHA this has made my f***ing day!!!!!!!

just wot he deserves
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:09:49 PM
Bet he names his next holiday villa Costa Del Ewood.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:14:28 PM
LMA going on about him being talked about as the next England manager prior to this.

Proposing yourself doesn't count.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:15:30 PM
All aboard the roflcopter. Curryheads mustnt have liked the agricultural approach to football.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:15:47 PM
LMA going on about him being talked about as the next England manager prior to this.

Proposing yourself doesn't count.
it does when mr allerdyce is one of the executives of the lma.............
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: thenorthumbrian on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:17:23 PM
Football is part of the entertainment business and whatever Allardyce teams play it is never entertaining.
As a Newcastle fan I have to say he was awful in his time at United.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SUPERTOON on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:17:58 PM
Hope Shearer gets it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Toon Hoser on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:18:36 PM
Nowhere near the initial public uproar as there was for Hughton:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/poll/2010/dec/13/premier-league-blackburn-rovers-sam-allardyce (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/poll/2010/dec/13/premier-league-blackburn-rovers-sam-allardyce)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:18:45 PM
Hope Shearer gets it.
he won't bestir himself from the motd sofa i'd think
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LucaAltieri on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:19:50 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/9009565.stm

Terrifying thing is he's not joking, the fat headed arsehole. Could just see him stood at the side of the Bernabeu with his f***ing megaphone.


 :lol:


Fat mackem t***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:22:48 PM
Normally I wouldn't so readily revel in someone's misfortune but when such a t*** with a completely unjustified sense of smugness gets the boot again, I suggest we crack out the champagne. Or at least some medium-value wine.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:41:31 PM
Herd the news at work & laughed. Will be able to spend a bit more time at "Casa St James".
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:43:53 PM
Herd the news at work & laughed. Will be able to spend a bit more time at "Casa St James".
casa ewood now surely...........
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Geordie Ahmed on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:50:17 PM
Could not have happened to a nicer guy

 :mackems: :mackems: :mackems: :mackems:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: EthiGeordie on Monday 13 December 2010, 06:55:41 PM
Love to see Shearer over there......  I am sure us sacking CH make most owners think twice about their managers. If we sacked nice guy why not sack a dogshit of managers...... Avram is next then Roy....
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: brummie on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:01:36 PM
The Big Sam on Twitter: "I've just ordered Sky Multiroom, as well. f***ing backstabbing sharks. "
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:02:13 PM
I thought Woy would have been next tbh
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:02:42 PM
A row over January transfers according to SSN. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: timeEd32 on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:06:55 PM
A row over January transfers according to SSN. :lol:

s***, he probably wanted Alan Smith.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:07:32 PM
I hope he doesn't go to Wolves, they'll probably stay up if that happens.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: James on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:08:01 PM
I'd say if you compare delusion to when we sacked Allardyce, and delusion when Blackburn sacked Allardyce, I'd say Blackburn top it.

I've come across a fair few delusional Blackburn fans, especially on their forums.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mouldy_uk on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:08:28 PM
BBC Website

Here's a statement from Sam Allardyce responding to his sacking: "I am very shocked and disappointed to be leaving Blackburn Rovers. I am extremely proud to have managed this club and I enjoyed a fantastic relationship with the players, my staff and the supporters during my time in charge." And from Blackburn's owners, the Venky's Group: "We have taken this decision as part of our wider plans and ambitions for the club."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:10:23 PM
Does anyone know what their fans actually thought of him?

Surely actually increases their chances of relegation, now we've snapped up Pardew ???
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:11:22 PM
BBC Website

Here's a statement from Sam Allardyce responding to his sacking: "I am very shocked and disappointed to be leaving Blackburn Rovers. I am extremely proud to have managed this club and I enjoyed a fantastic relationship with the players, my staff and the supporters during my time in charge." And from Blackburn's owners, the Venky's Group: "We have taken this decision as part of our wider plans and ambitions for the club."

Translation: "Seriously, this is the worst football we've ever seen."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Parky on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:11:41 PM
A row over January transfers according to SSN. :lol:

s***, he probably wanted Alan Smith.

Santa Cruz apparently.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:12:30 PM
Does anyone know what their fans actually thought of him?

Surely actually increases their chances of relegation, now we've snapped up Pardew ???

Looking at their forum opinions vary between "YESSSS GTFI!!!! BYEEE" and "He was doing okay and would have kept us up... never gonna go further than that.. worried about our season taking a downturn now"

Not a single one seems gutted by the decision.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:15:15 PM
I don't think there was much doubt he'd have kept them up.

He was just a crime against life, that's all.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Parky on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:15:45 PM
Always been too defensive and dour, that's difficult to sell if they are looking to the next level and branding and suchlike. I'd say this was as much a business descision as a football one.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ishmael on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:16:12 PM
All aboard the roflcopter. Curryheads mustnt have liked the agricultural approach to football.

WTF is this s***?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ishmael on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:21:18 PM
Ban-hammer, for being an ignorant racist imo.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:22:51 PM
Oh now I get it, it's because the owners are Asian. Well done.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NewBoyPeetah on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:25:56 PM
He is now off to real madrid

:) or Inter.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:27:53 PM
All aboard the roflcopter. Curryheads mustnt have liked the agricultural approach to football.

I remember once commenting on Argentina being a bit grotty & Disco took a eppy!!! Look at how he is now referring to the Indian owners of Blackburn Rovers Football club.

Tbf I think Disco has just had a "Ron" moment & was not meant to be racisit.

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/RonAtkinsonPA_228x358.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: S.S.R. on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:31:52 PM
All aboard the roflcopter. Curryheads mustnt have liked the agricultural approach to football.

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: QBG on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:32:09 PM
Disco just got back from India, he's not racist :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:32:29 PM
Tbf, I have a friend from Pakistan who smells like curry all the time. I left a shirt over his house once and got it back like three weeks later and it smelled completely of curry.

Not that I would call him a curryhead though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:33:35 PM
Tbf, I have a friend from Pakistan who smells like curry all the time. I left a shirt over his house once and got it back like three weeks later and it smelled completely of curry.

Not that I would call him a curryhead though.

It's the 'all the time' bit that got me. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:34:43 PM
Seriously, he'll put cologne on and still smell like curry. I don't get it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Carlito on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:35:05 PM
:lol::lol: curryhead. how old, man
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:35:32 PM
I liked all aboard the roflcopter  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:36:01 PM
At least accidental/ignorant racism is slightly better than deliberate/malicious. That's something.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BooBoo on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:36:06 PM
Sounds like Ashley has competition for the most mental owner in football. Twitter rumours are that the owners were deeply unimpressed when Allardyce failed to agree with their suggested transfer targets: Geovanni and Kris Boyd!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:36:56 PM
Seriously, he'll put cologne on and still me like curry. I don't get it.

Maybe this is his cologne of choice
(http://www.scent.net/images/products/main/curry-cologne.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:38:33 PM
Tbf, I have a friend from Pakistan who smells like curry all the time. I left a shirt over his house once and got it back like three weeks later and it smelled completely of curry.

Not that I would call him a curryhead though.

 :lol:

Well this thread has changed a bit in the last hour or so i've been away.  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BooBoo on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:39:28 PM
NUFC.com- "He won't feel like chicken tonight."

:)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: brummie on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:40:07 PM
Tbf, I have a friend from Pakistan who smells like curry all the time. I left a shirt over his house once and got it back like three weeks later and it smelled completely of curry.

you say that as if it is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:40:50 PM
NUFC.com- "He won't feel like chicken tonight."

:)

:lol:

He'll never eat chicken again.

Much less curried [/casual racism] ???
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SuperShola! on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:45:47 PM
Tbf, I have a friend from Pakistan who smells like curry all the time. I left a shirt over his house once and got it back like three weeks later and it smelled completely of curry.

Not that I would call him a curryhead though.



It's the 'all the time' bit that got me. :lol:

 :mackems: :mackems: :mackems:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:46:34 PM
Quite often in discussions about racism people come out with lines like "I've got a friend from Pakistan", although they usually have the sense to stop there before adding "who smells like curry all the time" :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BooBoo on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:47:22 PM
I love a good curry but when people smell of it all the time it just becomes annoying.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ykmkmdd on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:47:24 PM
From F365:

"One bookmaker did reveal a flurry of sizeable bets on Allardyce to be the next top-flight manager to vacate his post and slashed odds from 33/1 to 3/1 on Monday.

William Hill also revealed many of the gamblers betting on Allardyce were also placing money on Avram Grant to leave West Ham, leading them to conclude Allardyce may be headed for Upton Park."

Reckon he would keep West Ham up??
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tall Striker on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:49:00 PM
From F365:

"One bookmaker did reveal a flurry of sizeable bets on Allardyce to be the next top-flight manager to vacate his post and slashed odds from 33/1 to 3/1 on Monday.

William Hill also revealed many of the gamblers betting on Allardyce were also placing money on Avram Grant to leave West Ham, leading them to conclude Allardyce may be headed for Upton Park."

Reckon he would keep West Ham up??

Next season in the Championship?

No.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:49:21 PM
Quite often in discussions about racism people come out with lines like "I've got a friend from Pakistan", although they usually have the sense to stop there before adding "who smells like curry all the time" :lol:

What am I supposed to say? Just a casual observation about what he smells like.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Magpie on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:49:26 PM
I think he would however I don't think the fans will make him very welcome, bit like we didn't!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:50:26 PM
Can we rename this thread to something about curry?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: palnese on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:52:06 PM
"All aboard the roflcopter" :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ishmael on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:52:34 PM
Did not expect those responses :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Monday 13 December 2010, 07:54:35 PM
New thread title :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BONTEMPI on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:03:58 PM
(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/05_01/sam150507_468x373.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:07:10 PM
Just came back from work and saw the news. Absolutely made my day this :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mouldy_uk on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:07:19 PM
(http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00014/Allardyce2_14947t.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mouldy_uk on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:09:01 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/23/article-1238143-004A5F8100000258-170_306x469.jpg)

 :harry:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:16:13 PM
Quote from: TheBig_Sam
Ghandi was a c***. You hear that Venky? Ghandi was a big fruit.

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:16:47 PM
Quote from: TheBig_Sam
Ghandi was a c***. You hear that Venky? Ghandi was a big fruit.

:lol:

:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Fugazi on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:24:40 PM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/23/article-1238143-004A5F8100000258-170_306x469.jpg)

 :harry:

:tiote:

(http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/12_01/RabCNesbitt_468x641.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:30:49 PM
Made up about this w***** being sacked. Really, really, really hope the scousers take him on and he finishes the work done by Benny and Hodgson.

Owners starting to get twitchy now.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Si on Monday 13 December 2010, 08:57:26 PM
 O0 O0 O0 :clap: :thup: :thup: :thup: :thup: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb: :celb:  :cloud: :cloud:



 :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:



 :elvis:



Ahem anyway....................................
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NEEJ on Monday 13 December 2010, 09:26:52 PM
This thread ;D
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Incognito on Monday 13 December 2010, 09:33:30 PM
I'll be honest,my hatred for Blackburn began long before Fat Sam arrived there.Would hate Shearer or Hughton to get the gig.

Megson/Southgate for me.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 13 December 2010, 09:34:32 PM
If Shearer takes over we have one less relegation place to worry about, which'll make 3. :booze:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SuperShola! on Monday 13 December 2010, 09:47:14 PM
This thread, man.
 :smitten: :mackems: :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Minhosa on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:05:22 PM
Gold, Sullivan and Allardici made for each other. Nailed on.

Hope to god he takes them down if he gets the gig.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:07:49 PM
Gold, Sullivan and Allardici made for each other. Nailed on.

Hope to god he takes them down if he gets the gig.

:lol: That's one I could see happening. Can't see many other clubs to potentially soon lose a manager taking a punt on him. And f***ing hell I hope it does happen.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:11:03 PM
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:12:00 PM
Gold, Sullivan and Allardici made for each other. Nailed on.

Chuck K.Brady into the mix as well. They would all be battling each other for airtime on SSN & whos quotes get in the paper.

Wonder if Big Sam would look to replace Parker with Smith again!!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:12:24 PM
Note to self make flippant remarks more often as it leads to hilarious consequences.

For the record I have nowt against India, Indians or curries. Lovely country and friendly people.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:12:37 PM
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.

After singing songs about Roeder's brain tumour they lost all respect from me.

They don't really deserve FSA, they deserve much worse than him, Kinnear or lower.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NewBoyPeetah on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:15:59 PM
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.

After singing songs about Roeder's brain tumour they lost all respect from me.
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.

After singing songs about Roeder's brain tumour they lost all respect from me.

They don't really deserve FSA, they deserve much worse than him, Kinnear or lower.
They don't really deserve FSA, they deserve much worse than him, Kinnear or lower.

Or Pardew?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:16:48 PM
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.

After singing songs about Roeder's brain tumour they lost all respect from me.

They don't really deserve FSA, they deserve much worse than him, Kinnear or lower.

This. And the Gold/Sullivan/Brady triple threat of cuntness. I feel bad saying it, as half my family are Hammers fans, and I've met some really sound West Ham fans. But the cons outweigh the pros, and I'd much rather see them go down in a blaze of flaming dogshit.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:17:02 PM
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.

After singing songs about Roeder's brain tumour they lost all respect from me.
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.

After singing songs about Roeder's brain tumour they lost all respect from me.

They don't really deserve FSA, they deserve much worse than him, Kinnear or lower.
They don't really deserve FSA, they deserve much worse than him, Kinnear or lower.

Or Pardew?

You've done an excellent job quoting that like  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:19:08 PM
I like West Ham too much to hope they're cursed by Sam.

I do want them to go down this season though obviously, so wouldn't be the end of the world.

After singing songs about Roeder's brain tumour they lost all respect from me.

They don't really deserve FSA, they deserve much worse than him, Kinnear or lower.

This. And the Gold/Sullivan/Brady triple threat of cuntness. I feel bad saying it, as half my family are Hammers fans, and I've met some really sound West Ham fans. But the cons outweigh the pros, and I'd much rather see them go down in a blaze of flaming dogshit.

Their academy has produced some of the best players about, only Manu in the last 20 years have done better in England imo, but the fans are proper c***s for that like. Also the fans this season are taking the club down, never seen such a bunch of soulless, miserably resigned fans when we played them, it was tragic.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:20:54 PM
Haha, Fergie's reaction. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:21:14 PM
Fergie :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:22:18 PM
What did he say?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:22:24 PM
I herd the old c*** giving it some going to rewind & see the old c***s face during the rant.............NOW!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:22:37 PM
Andy Gray:  We've lost a tremendous manager ffs.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:23:25 PM
What did he say?

Never heard of a more ridiculous decision.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:24:09 PM
What did he say?

Never heard of a more ridiculous decision.

Hmmm I can think of one!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:24:33 PM
Fergie's reaction? What'd he say/do?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Monday 13 December 2010, 10:57:47 PM
Quote
Allardyce was more or less a guarantee of Premier League survival. He was dismissed by Newcastle under similar circumstances when owners changed, and that was a decision they were able to reflect on at leisure in the Championship.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/philmcnulty/2010/12/allardyce_deserved_better.html

That's the second time in a week Phil McNulty has said that. He seems to be under the mistaken belief that Newcastle sacked Allardyce then got relegated the same season. Is he Allardyce's mate or something? Anyway, I seem to recall our fans singing "We're s*** and we're sick of it!" in the weeks leading up to Allardyce's sack. Phil seems to forget we were the only team to lose to Derby.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Monday 13 December 2010, 11:01:29 PM
Quote
Unfortunately too many minds persistently rewind to Allardyce's dismal eight months in charge of Newcastle. During that period his squad grew increasingly bored during interminable team meetings about "how to stop" opponents. One brave player once asked: "But what do you want us to do when we're on the ball?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/13/sam-allardyce-sacked-blackburn-rovers (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/dec/13/sam-allardyce-sacked-blackburn-rovers)

 :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wonder who it was that said that? That's hilarious. Fat Sam just doesn't get it. Can't get anything into that enormous dense head of his.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Monday 13 December 2010, 11:02:31 PM
If you have cash & takever a football club & Allardyce is running the show you give it a few weeks & then say to yourself "I am not paying that c*** anymore". Sacking Allardyce has nothing to with football, self made people do not like giving this c*** there coin.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ash on Monday 13 December 2010, 11:04:50 PM
Quote from: Wigan fan Facebook
What the f*** Allardyce gone :| what a joke, would love him at Wigan, proper humble quality manager who gets best out of his team, I always liked him even at the Bolton scum.

 :mackems: :idiot2:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 13 December 2010, 11:11:37 PM
diego maradonna to blackburn..................
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Blackburn-want-Diego-Maradona-to-replace-Sam-Allardyce-as-manager-yes-manager-article650769.html
oh please please please be true
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Monday 13 December 2010, 11:12:51 PM
OOooooh he'll buy Jonás!!!

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 13 December 2010, 11:14:27 PM
Maradona moves to Blackburn, the thought is hilarious.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pilko on Monday 13 December 2010, 11:20:53 PM
(http://h.imagehost.org/0887/fatsam.jpg)

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:14:15 AM
OOooooh he'll buy Jonás!!!



He'll not only take him, he'll offer us money for him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:58:10 AM
The thought of Allardyce at Wigan sort of makes me sick. I couldn't think of a football club more deserving to be obliterated into nothingness.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:18:10 AM
The thought of Allardyce at Wigan sort of makes me sick. I couldn't think of a football club more deserving to be obliterated into nothingness.

:thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jukeboxromeo on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:24:35 AM
The thought of Allardyce at Wigan sort of makes me sick. I couldn't think of a football club more deserving to be obliterated into nothingness.

West Ham tbh, they're still banging on about the bullshit "West Ham way" 35 years later. Bunch of deluded cretins.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:36:39 AM
The thought of Allardyce at Wigan sort of makes me sick. I couldn't think of a football club more deserving to be obliterated into nothingness.

West Ham tbh, they're still banging on about the bullshit "West Ham way" 35 years later. Bunch of deluded cretins.

But... they won the World Cup!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: n4e on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:52:31 AM
All aboard the roflcopter. Curryheads mustnt have liked the agricultural approach to football.

WTF is this s***?

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ridzuan on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 05:21:06 AM
He's probably the most unluckiest manager in the history of the PL. I'll bet he will fly off to Spain and beg Real Madrid to sack Jose and hire him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 06:43:35 AM
:mackems:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: sicko2ndbest on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 07:01:01 AM
Shearer!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: carlie on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 07:16:41 AM
Shearer!

I don't think Blackburn want another rookie manager, remember Paul Ince ;D
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 08:03:35 AM
Just been emailed by a Rovers fan mate of mine that incredibly it could even be David Beckham in as player-manager, apparently he's been in a hotel in Manchester having talks with the owners. Wind-up, surely?  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 08:20:59 AM
The thought of Allardyce at Wigan sort of makes me sick. I couldn't think of a football club more deserving to be obliterated into nothingness.

:thup:

Unfortunately he'd probably keep them up so no thanks.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Cronky on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 08:32:24 AM
Just been emailed by a Rovers fan mate of mine that incredibly it could even be David Beckham in as player-manager, apparently he's been in a hotel in Manchester having talks with the owners. Wind-up, surely?  :lol:

Possibly as a player. As a manager, no chance.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Roger Kint on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 10:11:38 AM
Just been emailed by a Rovers fan mate of mine that incredibly it could even be David Beckham in as player-manager, apparently he's been in a hotel in Manchester having talks with the owners. Wind-up, surely?  :lol:

Beckham was in Manchester to steal the limelight from those Chilean miners, could you imagine that wife of his in a shithole like Blackburn...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ocho on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 10:18:14 AM
Just been emailed by a Rovers fan mate of mine that incredibly it could even be David Beckham in as player-manager, apparently he's been in a hotel in Manchester having talks with the owners. Wind-up, surely?  :lol:

Beckham was in Manchester to steal the limelight from those Chilean miners, could you imagine that wife of his in a shithole like Blackburn...

Although they could still live in Cheshire.  Blackburn is only about an hour away.  It's possible!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Elbel1 on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:06:37 AM
The sports bulletin on the way to work this morning claimed that there had been a disagreement over transfer targets for Jan.
Apparently Sam wanted Santa Cruz, Robbie Keane and David Bentley and the board wanted Giovanni and Kris Boyd.
Obviously a story that has been put out by his pals in the media
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Parky on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:16:50 AM
A row over January transfers according to SSN. :lol:

s***, he probably wanted Alan Smith.

Santa Cruz apparently.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:23:26 AM
I would laugh like f*** if they went for Maradona :lol: How p*ssed off would he be at being trumped by someone like that?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:36:08 AM
I'd love Circus Maradona in the prem.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:38:19 AM
Going for a British manager.

TBH if i were them i'd go for Jol, not British of course but played and managed in England for some time plus no language barrier, I can't see what any current British manager would bring to the table that he can't ???

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:40:08 AM
"We want good football and Blackburn to be fourth or fifth in the league or even better," read the statement.

I wonder what their timeframe is to achieve this.. How rich are these new owners?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 11:55:17 AM
Could be a couple of months before they appoint a new manager?! :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gorilla on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:03:03 PM
I wonder if they took into account the 15 mil or so that sams backrrom staff will probably want to leave
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: UV on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:22:10 PM
Could be a couple of months before they appoint a new manager?! :lol: :lol:

It'll take a while to make back all of the £43m playing the Next Blackburn Manager betting markets you know.

I wonder if they took into account the 15 mil or so that sams backrrom staff will probably want to leave

At 33/1 - no problem
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:32:39 PM
The next thing to do is to appoint dagliesh in an attempt to rekindle their 90s success...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:37:19 PM
Couple of months?!! They'll be down by then if thats true.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Antec on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:41:20 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1338459/Blackburn-owners-reveal-reasons-sacking-Sam-Allardyce.html :kinnear:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: pinkeye on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:44:14 PM
With or without Allardyce the words "attractive football" and Blackburn Rovers" just don't seem to go together!

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:45:59 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1338459/Blackburn-owners-reveal-reasons-sacking-Sam-Allardyce.html :kinnear:

Quote
‘At Blackburn, the fans are entertained by putting the ball in the opponent’s box and creating chances to score goals, not by making 35 passes in your own half.

It is the same all around the country. That is what we deliver and why we are a worldwide brand and everybody wants to buy it. So don’t knock it.’

That is quite mind-blowingly stupid, even for that t***.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:48:03 PM
"a worldwide brand"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:50:50 PM
"a worldwide brand"

at first i thought he meant blackburn, but of course he means the premier league, but the inference of course is he's trying to say that every team in the league plays the way his team do. basically his 'winning' football bollocks has started to sound more and more desperate since he left bolton so now he's resorting to 'well everyone else does it'. which is obviously bollocks, the three teams that got promoted don't have to resort to it sam,neither should you.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 12:58:37 PM
If West Ham decide to sack Avram Grant i could see fat Sam heading down there.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:17:11 PM
The hammers will love that, he'll keep them up.  do ok the following season, proclaim himself amazing agaian and then get sacked  :lol:

And the media will swollow all his muck like a crack whore.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:19:38 PM
He'd be closer to his Sky pals anarl.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:28:45 PM
If it really is true that it might take 2 months to find a replacement then it clearly shows that the new owners are laughably naive. Getting rid of Allardyce may well be a great idea but 2 months is a very long time in the Premiership and a lot of damage can be done.

It sounds as though the Rao family are taking all their advice from Kentaro and that includes what players to buy. Yet another example of clueless owners not grasping what the football business is all about. In the mean time Fat Sam has got a cracking result imo, walking away from a s*** situation having trousered another £2.5 million payoff. And he will be back.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:34:37 PM
"We want good football and Blackburn to be fourth or fifth in the league or even better," read the statement.

I wonder what their timeframe is to achieve this.. How rich are these new owners?

f***ing brilliant - another excuse for the media to back 'hard done by' Big Sam  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stephen927 on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:36:39 PM
Running out of clubs to manage. Never going to get a top job, and not going to get a job like he got here either. Struggling recently promoted teams or relegation candidates are the best he can hope for for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:38:36 PM
I thought he fancied a stint at international level and was hoping to get a job at a lesser nation.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:53:10 PM
The sports bulletin on the way to work this morning claimed that there had been a disagreement over transfer targets for Jan.
Apparently Sam wanted Santa Cruz, Robbie Keane and David Bentley and the board wanted Giovanni and Kris Boyd.
Obviously a story that has been put out by his pals in the media
More like the board wanted Santa Cruz, Robbie Keane, and David Bentley, and Sam wanted Giovanni and Kris Boyd.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:55:28 PM
what's really astonishing is that he's probably trousered best part of £5m getting the sack here and at blackburn.
malcolm mclaren would be very very proud.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 01:59:40 PM
what's really astonishing is that he's probably trousered best part of £5m getting the sack here and at blackburn.
malcolm mclaren would be very very proud.

The payoff he got from us was more than £4m iirc so its more like £6m or £7m.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 02:01:57 PM
Benitez is struggling at Inter...

Ciao Bella Sammy
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 02:06:28 PM
what's really astonishing is that he's probably trousered best part of £5m getting the sack here and at blackburn.
malcolm mclaren would be very very proud.

The payoff he got from us was more than £4m iirc so its more like £6m or £7m.

eek! i really thought it was only around £2.5m or so. makes it all the more astonishing  :kasper:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: S.S.R. on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 02:13:55 PM
Benitez is struggling at Inter...

Ciao Bello Sammy

FYP
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ryan_Taylor on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 02:23:16 PM
They cant go a few months with no manager surely??
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 02:25:22 PM
A couple of months is just in time for our game there in February. Convenient :shifty:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 02:54:18 PM
These owners seem utter mentalists.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: EthiGeordie on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 02:58:39 PM
  I am more delighted Alex Ferguson cried foul on this while he didn't say anything about CH..... He was guaranteed 6 points from Fat Sam teams every single year....
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 03:01:40 PM
These owners seem utter mentalists.

As far as the Premiership is concerned they aren't alone in that respect tbh.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 03:13:14 PM
They cant go a few months with no manager surely??

Never did us any harm...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: johnson293 on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 04:55:42 PM
They cant go a few months with no manager surely??

Is Tony Parkes not still there? He's been their caretaker manager on quite a few occassions hasn't he??
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SUPERTOON on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 05:15:21 PM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11096_6577829,00.html
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: afar on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 05:31:23 PM
I don't know what to think of this tbh. My first reaction is to always look to see how it will effect us. As others have pointed out, if likely his next stop will be West Sham. And if he follows form he'll keep them up, considering I and most others had them as relegation certainties, that's not a good thing for us.

Of course there's "Where do Blackburn go from here ?" Well you would think they would be looking for a bigger name or a manager with a better reputation than Fat Sam. There's only two candidates, I see out there, that fill that bill, O'Neill and Jol. As laughable as it may seen both may see the Blackburn job as more attractive than they saw the NUFC one, especially if they were promised a lot of money to spend.

If Blackburn bring in one of those two, then they too are unlikely to go down. That's not good for us.

Having said all that, hopefully West Sham will hang on to Grant for too long for Fat Sam to weave his magic and Blackburn leave this caretaker in for 2 months and then replace him with someone like Strachan. Then I can see both going down.

Fat Sam and Blackburn were a good fit, for goodness sake they get less than 20k to go to there games, it's a s*** hole of a town, what more could they expect than mid table PL football, even if it's truged to watch.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Delima on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 05:36:47 PM
Big Sam had done very well with Blackburn. Stupid for them to sack him given one can hardly find a better shoestring manager and Blackburn is a small club with limited revenue
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 05:56:31 PM
Really not sure Fat Sam will go to Wham. I don't think he will risk a relegation, probably will wait out for a spot in something more midtableish.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ElDiablo on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 06:07:34 PM
Could see him at Fulham when Hughes inevitably leaves.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 06:14:22 PM
Waiting for him to one day end up at the mackems tbh.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 08:34:20 PM
Absolutely cracking news. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

mind you, i think the blackburn board are stupid because he was guaranteed to keep them up (as he was with us when we got rid) and their players aren't exactly great. unless they're just preparing for a january super spree!

hopefully sam can be gone for a while and i hope he doesn't go to wham because in all likelihood, that'd be them safe too.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 09:05:35 PM
Absolutely cracking news. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

mind you, i think the blackburn board are stupid because he was guaranteed to keep them up (as he was with us when we got rid) and their players aren't exactly great. unless they're just preparing for a january super spree!

hopefully sam can be gone for a while and i hope he doesn't go to wham because in all likelihood, that'd be them safe too.

He may have kept us up despite the horrible Football we played.  But it was far from guaranteed considering we'd only played three top four teams in 21 matches and had Arsenal, Manure, Liverpool, Villa (all top 5 teams and all away from home) and Manure again at home in the next 8 games.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gggg on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 09:38:35 PM
http://www.fanhouse.co.uk/2010/12/14/sam-allardyce-sacking-demonstrates-harsh-new-reality-of-foreign/

These foreign owners eh, clueless. Time to get the game back in good old English hands like Ashley and Shepherd, Ridsdale and...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 09:45:53 PM
It's funny how this hasn't generated as many problems in the media as the Hughton sacking. They are similar events, imo and this one is even less warranted. Personally, I am extremely pleased to see Big Sam somewhere other than managing a team I have to watch twice a season. Maybe everyone just hates him as well, and Hughton was the opposite.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Tuesday 14 December 2010, 09:48:15 PM
It's funny how this hasn't generated as many problems in the media as the Hughton sacking. They are similar events, imo and this one is even less warranted. Personally, I am extremely pleased to see Big Sam somewhere other than managing a team I have to watch twice a season. Maybe everyone just hates him as well, and Hughton was the opposite.

Hughton = a victim. In the case of Allardyce the only victims are those that have to watch his sides play,
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: QuakesMag on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:39:32 AM
FSA represents everything that is odious in the footballing world.  This may sound idealistic, but I actually watch the game to be entertained.  His anti-football is an entertainment black-hole, sucking any enjoyment into its event horizon, never to be seen again.  So from that perspective, it pleases me that he got sacked.  Not to mention that this arrogant douchebag looks like a hybrid of Cory Haim and that flying monster from The Neverending Story. 

That said, their reasons for sacking him were s***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: CaliMag on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:43:25 AM
http://www.fanhouse.co.uk/2010/12/14/sam-allardyce-sacking-demonstrates-harsh-new-reality-of-foreign/

These foreign owners eh, clueless. Time to get the game back in good old English hands like Ashley and Shepherd, Ridsdale and...
That's exactly what I thought.

Kuddly Ken Bates has to be next on your list BTW
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:09:00 AM
Big Sam had done very well with Blackburn. Stupid for them to sack him given one can hardly find a better shoestring manager and Blackburn is a small club with limited revenue

In what way is Fat Sam a shoestring manager? He needed a coach to bus in his backroom staff when he came from Bolton to Newcastle. Although why you need 10 different coaches to instruct players to hoof the ball towards the corner flag is beyond me.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:19:26 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6578739,00.html
Quote
Blackburn's owners have confirmed they have had contact with Diego Maradona, but insist caretaker Steve Kean is set to take charge until the end of the season.

So they're basically going to become us from three years ago, sack Big Sam with no real clue of who to replace him with, go for the crazy headline choice and watch the car crash happen 6 months down the line.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:26:43 AM
:lol: They're letting Kean take over 'till the end of the season now!?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:30:23 AM
It's funny how this hasn't generated as many problems in the media as the Hughton sacking.

It is pretty obvious why though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: oldtype on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:31:05 AM
Well, that's one relegation spot settled :celb:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:34:59 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6578739,00.html
Quote
Blackburn's owners have confirmed they have had contact with Diego Maradona, but insist caretaker Steve Kean is set to take charge until the end of the season.

So they're basically going to become us from three years ago, sack Big Sam with no real clue of who to replace him with, go for the crazy headline choice and watch the car crash happen 6 months down the line.
bit worse, they also want boyd and geovanni to solve all their problems on pitch
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ridzuan on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:37:09 AM
:lol: They're letting Kean take over 'till the end of the season now!?

I really hope that is the case though. But on another thought, he might be Hughton v2.0.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:37:56 AM
:lol: They're letting Kean take over 'till the end of the season now!?

I really hope that is the case though. But on another thought, he might be Hughton v2.0.
or hughton v1.0 of 08/09
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:44:30 AM
:lol: They're letting Kean take over 'till the end of the season now!?

that's good news.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: OzzieMandias on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:45:18 AM
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6578739,00.html
Quote
Blackburn's owners have confirmed they have had contact with Diego Maradona, but insist caretaker Steve Kean is set to take charge until the end of the season.

So they're basically going to become us from three years ago, sack Big Sam with no real clue of who to replace him with, go for the crazy headline choice and watch the car crash happen 6 months down the line.

Yeah, brilliant.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:46:17 AM
:lol: They're letting Kean take over 'till the end of the season now!?

I really hope that is the case though. But on another thought, he might be Hughton v2.0.
or hughton v1.0 of 08/09

with big al to come in in march when it's all but a foregon conclusion?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:47:23 AM
who do blackburn have this weekend?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:50:19 AM
who do blackburn have this weekend?

West Ham at Ewood Park.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:54:17 AM
who do blackburn have this weekend?

West Ham at Ewood Park.
ah was going to say bank on whoever they are playing to win but since its west ham, draw
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BlueStar on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 12:11:41 PM
If maradona managed in the prem, reckon his first act would be a bid for Jonas?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 12:12:19 PM
If maradona managed in the prem, reckon his first act would be a bid for Jonas?

15m
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: dinotheprehistoricgeordie on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 12:53:12 PM
Just saw the the Maradona article  :mackems: at least we're not that mental.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 02:45:38 PM
Changed their mind now, Steve Kean not going to be considered for the permanent role.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: The Prophet on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 02:51:51 PM
Just saw the the Maradona article  :mackems: at least we're not that mental.

We run them close.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shayno on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 02:53:26 PM
Would be revered as a god if he went to Scotland
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:02:27 PM
Would be revered as a god if he went to Scotland

I'd love it if somehow he tricked some foreign club into signing him. The culture shock could be legendary.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:04:56 PM
Changed their mind now, Steve Kean not going to be considered for the permanent role.

Crazy chicken men: "We want to consider you as our permanent manager as we want to finish in the top four."
Kean: ":dowie:"
Crazy chicken men: "What do you say?"
Kean: ":dowie:"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:04:58 PM
Just saw the the Maradona article  :mackems: at least we're not that mental.

We run them close.

Would love to see it happen.

Would at least make Blackburn a slightly interesting club  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:05:52 PM
Would be revered as a god if he went to Scotland

I'd love it if somehow he tricked some foreign club into signing him. The culture shock could be legendary.

Unlucky foreign footballer: So ahh, you say when we no have ball, we do this. So ahh, with ball we do what?

Sam: No matter where you are on the pitch, kick it as hard as you can towards the goal. Always works!

Unlucky foreign footballer: :(
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: The Prophet on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:06:35 PM
He'd be class at Barca:

'Pique pumps the free kick into the opponents eighteen yard area, cleared, Puyol wins the second ball, Messi is standing on the keepers toes and Xavi scrambles it in.'
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Elbel1 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:13:03 PM
He'd be class at Barca:

'Pique pumps the free kick into the opponents eighteen yard area, cleared, Puyol wins the second ball, Messi is standing on the keepers toes and Xavi scrambles it in.'

No chance
First thing he would do is sell Messi, Puyol and Xavi
Then replace them with Diouf, Samba and David Dunn
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:27:42 PM
From Twitter

What have Ashley Peacock and Sam Allardyce got in common? Neither will be going to the Rovers Christmas party.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 03:28:37 PM
:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:11:27 PM
:lol:

I got a fiver on them to go down at 12/1, dunno how the odds have changed now.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:35:45 PM
Between 9-10/1. Can still get 12/1 at one bookmakers.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:39:18 PM
Would be revered as a god if he went to Scotland

it'd be class if rangers pumped celtic in january, lennon gets peddled. allardyce comes in, giving it the big i am. rangers win the league, allardyce is out on his ear again in may  ;D
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:40:34 PM
Would be revered as a god if he went to Scotland

it'd be class if rangers pumped celtic in january, lennon gets peddled. allardyce comes in, giving it the big i am. rangers win the league, allardyce is out on his ear again in may  ;D

:lol: You'd assume after that he'd be resigned to Championship gigs again. Fingers crossed lads.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:43:34 PM
Sacking Allardyce without having a replacement more-or-less ready is a mental decision. The man is a guarantee that you will not be relegated from this division, disregarding the dire football and often heavy defeats.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Venkman on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:45:42 PM
just put a tenner on em at 8/1 on betfair, can always trade it out if needs be, it'll certainly get lower than that. west brom at 9.6/1 if anyone fancies them to have a dip in form
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:46:22 PM
Sacking Allardyce without having a replacement more-or-less ready is a mental decision. The man is a guarantee that you will not be relegated from this division, disregarding the dire football and often heavy defeats.

I don't recall that being the widely-held opinion back in 2008 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:46:54 PM
Sacking Allardyce without having a replacement more-or-less ready is a mental decision. The man is a guarantee that you will not be relegated from this division, disregarding the dire football and often heavy defeats.

Wouldn't go that far. I still believe we would have been relegated under him... at the time I was terrified of it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nobby_solano on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 04:47:58 PM
Sacking Allardyce without having a replacement more-or-less ready is a mental decision. The man is a guarantee that you will not be relegated from this division, disregarding the dire football and often heavy defeats.

Wouldn't go that far. I still believe we would have been relegated under him... at the time I was terrified of it.

 :sadnod:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 05:13:59 PM
I completely disagree with that viewpoint. We'd have stayed up imo, although I still agree with his sacking at the time - before he spent any more mega-money on dross clogger players.

He wouldn't have took the club anywhere, other than scratching around the lower reaches of the table. Relegation would not have happened, though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 05:20:22 PM
I completely disagree with that viewpoint. We'd have stayed up imo, although I still agree with his sacking at the time - before he spent any more mega-money on dross clogger players.

He wouldn't have took the club anywhere, other than scratching around the lower reaches of the table. Relegation would not have happened, though.

Very debateable that, we had just won twice in 12 games and the run of games after he was sacked would of made it even harder.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 06:10:00 PM
Well nobody knows do they, I thought at the time we would have been relegated, but obviously it's impossible to prove.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 06:11:33 PM
There's no way we'd have been relegated under Allardyce, no way. He's too good a manager to have let that happened, as much as he's dislikeable as a chap.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ElDiablo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 06:24:57 PM
Grant next? Needs to win one of their next three games apparently, and none are easy.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 06:26:59 PM
I completely disagree with that viewpoint. We'd have stayed up imo, although I still agree with his sacking at the time - before he spent any more mega-money on dross clogger players.

He wouldn't have took the club anywhere, other than scratching around the lower reaches of the table. Relegation would not have happened, though.

Very debateable that, we had just won twice in 12 games and the run of games after he was sacked would of made it even harder.

And we had the easiest start to a season in however long. The football was terrible and the players were slowly losing morale. Look at clueless tactics against Liverpool in the 3-0 defeat to see where we were heading under Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 06:41:46 PM
There's no way we'd have been relegated under Allardyce, no way. He's too good a manager to have let that happened, as much as he's dislikeable as a chap.

That's what I'm trying to say. We'd have ground out enough points from his negative tactics to stay up relatively comfortably.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 07:09:56 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 07:11:54 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Parky on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:06:34 PM
He used a massive fukin loudspeaker during training tho innit. Respect.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:11:09 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:25:52 PM
There's no way we'd have been relegated under Allardyce, no way. He's too good a manager to have let that happened, as much as he's dislikeable as a chap.

Spot on. If I were West Ham I'd be straight on the blower to him. He'd give them a fighting chance of staying up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:31:18 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

9 points from his last 12 games (6 of those points coming from a lucky penalty and a last minute winner) is all the evidence that I need  :dontknow: That's relegation form to me.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:32:52 PM
If he went to WHU i'd happily place a few hundred on them staying up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Parky on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:33:14 PM
Might be a bit of a combine harvester but would have kept us up.....just.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:35:01 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

9 points from his last 12 games (6 of those points coming from a lucky penalty and a last minute winner) is all the evidence that I need  :dontknow: That's relegation form to me.

That's fine. It's also pretty selective, as we were about 10th.

Are you really going to argue that Allardyce wouldn't have managed 4 more wins past January?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheGuv on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:35:16 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

I normally agree with you Ron. But when it comes to that season, i was extremely worried. It took Keegan 10 games or wahtever to get a win because the players had no belief anymore!
And the teams we lost to under that KK spell were better sides than us and who were chasing Europe.

We finished 7 points above the drop and that run of 7 unbeaten games kept us up.

When you look at SA's two wins out of October-December, my god we didn't deserve to beat Fulham and Birmingham. Just read nufc.com's match report from 3 years ago today!

I can see your side of the argument but our players just weren't suited to SA's style of play and there was only one way we were going that season unfortunately
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:35:54 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

9 points from his last 12 games (6 of those points coming from a lucky penalty and a last minute winner) is all the evidence that I need  :dontknow: That's relegation form to me.

That's fine. It's also pretty selective, as we were about 10th.

Are you really going to argue that Allardyce wouldn't have managed 4 more wins past January?

I'm not arguing any of the sort.

"I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked."

is what I said IIRC.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NJS on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 08:46:11 PM
The games we had after he was sacked (whicg fair enough KK couldn't really affect) would have been lost.

There's no way on this planet he would have gone to Spurs and tried to win - I doubt w'ed have got a point.

I believe 100% we'd have been relegated.


He's a football murderer - the game is infinitely better off without him.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:09:17 PM
If he went to WHU i'd happily place a few hundred on them staying up.

I am not going to search you post history but IIRC I am sure were fan of Avram in the past, do you not think he is up to the job now?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:10:02 PM
The games we had after he was sacked (whicg fair enough KK couldn't really affect) would have been lost.

There's no way on this planet he would have gone to Spurs and tried to win - I doubt w'ed have got a point.

I believe 100% we'd have been relegated.


He's a football murderer - the game is infinitely better off without him.



Let's see how Blackburn get on without him. Bolton almost went down twice.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:12:45 PM
If he went to WHU i'd happily place a few hundred on them staying up.

I am not going to search you post history but IIRC I am sure were fan of Avram in the past, do you not think he is up to the job now?

I don't think his heart's in it. And Allardyce is far better at winning ugly.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:15:13 PM
If he went to WHU i'd happily place a few hundred on them staying up.

I am not going to search you post history but IIRC I am sure were fan of Avram in the past, do you not think he is up to the job now?

I don't think his heart's in it. And Allardyce is far better at winning ugly.

Apart from the cup run has had long losing record & working for Gold, Sully & Brady must be draining as well.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Chubby Jason on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:31:39 PM
West Ham fans will hate him. He'd probably keep them up but they will hound him out the season after, they like to see their team at least try and play football. He's only good for s*** lower-mid-table teams with zero ambition and a tiny fan-base that will accept turgid, dreadful football as long as it means treading water in the Premiership.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gorilla on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:41:48 PM
West Ham fans will hate him. He'd probably keep them up but they will hound him out the season after, they like to see their team at least try and play football. He's only good for s*** lower-mid-table teams with zero ambition and a tiny fan-base that will accept turgid, dreadful football as long as it means treading water in the Premiership.
Tbf, he has a similar style and approach as Mourinho.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Chubby Jason on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:46:05 PM
West Ham fans will hate him. He'd probably keep them up but they will hound him out the season after, they like to see their team at least try and play football. He's only good for s*** lower-mid-table teams with zero ambition and a tiny fan-base that will accept turgid, dreadful football as long as it means treading water in the Premiership.
Tbf, he has a similar style and approach as Mourinho.
He shares all of his negative characteristics.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: EthiGeordie on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:47:16 PM
I can't wait to see him at WH it will be a big deal if he save them..... Mind you he might be at here on the fifth of Jan.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gorilla on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:47:58 PM
West Ham fans will hate him. He'd probably keep them up but they will hound him out the season after, they like to see their team at least try and play football. He's only good for s*** lower-mid-table teams with zero ambition and a tiny fan-base that will accept turgid, dreadful football as long as it means treading water in the Premiership.
Tbf, he has a similar style and approach as Mourinho.
He shares all of his negative characteristics.
It's Similar style of play tbh, just he's never had the same players.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Chubby Jason on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 09:54:06 PM
West Ham fans will hate him. He'd probably keep them up but they will hound him out the season after, they like to see their team at least try and play football. He's only good for s*** lower-mid-table teams with zero ambition and a tiny fan-base that will accept turgid, dreadful football as long as it means treading water in the Premiership.
Tbf, he has a similar style and approach as Mourinho.
He shares all of his negative characteristics.
It's Similar style of play tbh, just he's never had the same players.
If Fat Sam won the UEFA Cup with Bolton and the Champions League the next season then he could be put in the same class as Mourinho.

He's just a loud mouth moron with mates in the media that will hype him up way beyond his actual abilities. I remember fatso Martin Samuel championing him for going abroad and proving himself oversees when he left Bolton.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 10:42:35 PM
If he went to WHU i'd happily place a few hundred on them staying up.

Yep, same.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 10:44:48 PM
West Ham fans will hate him. He'd probably keep them up but they will hound him out the season after, they like to see their team at least try and play football. He's only good for s*** lower-mid-table teams with zero ambition and a tiny fan-base that will accept turgid, dreadful football as long as it means treading water in the Premiership.
they didn't really like curbishley with his iffy style of football, let alone sam and his percentage football
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 10:54:27 PM
Get the distinct impression that the new blokes in charge of Blackburn don't have the first f***ing clue what they're doing. Basically making it up as they go along.

Recipe for disaster and won't take much for them to be bang in trouble. :)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Canuck on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:10:34 PM
Get the distinct impression that the new blokes in charge of Blackburn don't have the first f***ing clue what they're doing. Basically making it up as they go along.

Recipe for disaster and won't take much for them to be bang in trouble. :)
Wow - that sounds eerily familiar.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:14:58 PM
Get the distinct impression that the new blokes in charge of Blackburn don't have the first f***ing clue what they're doing. Basically making it up as they go along.

Recipe for disaster and won't take much for them to be bang in trouble. :)
Wow - that sounds eerily familiar.

 :snod:

Couldn't find their own arses with both hands.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:23:30 PM
As much as I agree, sacking Big Sam doesn't necessarily mean you're clueless. It's often quite a sensible thing to do.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:23:32 PM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

What a f***ing daft conclusion. Bolton and Blackburn were teams built on sides with physically large players especially up front. The thick fat b****** Allardyce didn't have enough nous to adjust to the players we had and tried to implement his anti-football tactics with players who were bought for different qualities altogether. What a f***ing thick c*** he was.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:29:35 PM
Blackburn will stay up without Allardyce, no doubt. He's an average manager at best, one style of play and no alternatives.

The longer he is out of the game, the better.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Wednesday 15 December 2010, 11:34:29 PM
For all the crap he sprouts, I can't fault this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9278498.stm

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Blackburn Rovers may have dispensed with the services of Sam Allardyce but the 56-year-old is still highly regarded for his innovative approach to the game.

And the former Blackburn, Newcastle and Bolton boss believes one way English football can help improve grassroots football in this country is making more of Mother Nature - by switching to the summer months.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Thursday 16 December 2010, 12:06:47 AM
For all the crap he sprouts, I can't fault this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/9278498.stm

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Blackburn Rovers may have dispensed with the services of Sam Allardyce but the 56-year-old is still highly regarded for his innovative approach to the game.

And the former Blackburn, Newcastle and Bolton boss believes one way English football can help improve grassroots football in this country is making more of Mother Nature - by switching to the summer months.

Renowned for bringing young players through Big Sam.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Thursday 16 December 2010, 12:22:35 AM
Well its not really about that.

A summer schedule for Grassroots would be good, I'd welcome it. Give something for the kids to do during the holidays, can arrange training times during lighter hours, and less chance of games being cancelled for 2 months a stretch.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Thursday 16 December 2010, 12:29:05 AM
What about holidays? Summer is fine for the occasional football camp, but you won't muster enough attendance/focus with the kids being on holidays imho.

Doing football during the school term is a great way to fit it into a routine and works as a great release from studying. At least is how it worked for me (granted, I didn't become a world class footballer).
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Thursday 16 December 2010, 12:30:35 AM
What about holidays? Summer is fine for the occasional football camp, but you won't muster enough attendance/focus with the kids being on holidays imho.

So wrong, at least from the experience I have. U11 team I coach wanted to do Summer Leagues last summer, and the U8s I'm with at the moment are already asking about Summer Leagues. Parents love it too, as it keeps the kids busy. You'll lose 1-2 players at any given week when they go on their holidays, but you get that during winter season anyway through illness, holidays, etc.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Thursday 16 December 2010, 12:34:06 AM
Dunno, maybe it's different in Spain but when I was a kid it was just impossible to set up regular football during the summer months in the team I was in. Too many people left during july-august.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Thursday 16 December 2010, 01:19:27 AM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

What a f***ing daft conclusion. Bolton and Blackburn were teams built on sides with physically large players especially up front. The thick fat b****** Allardyce didn't have enough nous to adjust to the players we had and tried to implement his anti-football tactics with players who were bought for different qualities altogether. What a f***ing thick c*** he was.

A f***ing thick c*** who took a team from around 19th to finishing 10th in the space of 18 months. Not to mention the brilliant job he did at Bolton.

We have no idea who Allardyce wanted to sign for us. It's been firmly established in the past 3 years that the manager of our club has little say in such matters.

I don't like the guy, or his brand of football. But of all the managers we've had since Bobby, he's by far the one i'd have the most confidence in to keep a poor team in the PL. His record speaks for itself, as much as the biased bunch would like to deny it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Neil on Thursday 16 December 2010, 01:22:11 AM
As I've said before, I think he'd have kept you up. Dogshit football but would have done so IMO. He'd also have comfortably kept Blackburn up, he's not a s**** manager at all, even if he is an absolute tool.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Thursday 16 December 2010, 01:32:58 AM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

What a f***ing daft conclusion. Bolton and Blackburn were teams built on sides with physically large players especially up front. The thick fat b****** Allardyce didn't have enough nous to adjust to the players we had and tried to implement his anti-football tactics with players who were bought for different qualities altogether. What a f***ing thick c*** he was.

He dumped what he thought were  the flaky characters like Dyer, Solano, Bramble & Baba later on. He brought in Beye, Faye, Smith & Barton lads who can mix it physically. I think he thought Big Mark was going to be the striker the other worked round.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Thursday 16 December 2010, 01:57:13 AM
As I've said before, I think he'd have kept you up. Dogshit football but would have done so IMO. He'd also have comfortably kept Blackburn up, he's not a s**** manager at all, even if he is an absolute tool.

Keeping us up wouldn't have been any kind of achievement at the time. I agree he'd be unlikely to get a club relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Fatwax on Thursday 16 December 2010, 07:04:27 AM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

What a f***ing daft conclusion. Bolton and Blackburn were teams built on sides with physically large players especially up front. The thick fat b****** Allardyce didn't have enough nous to adjust to the players we had and tried to implement his anti-football tactics with players who were bought for different qualities altogether. What a f***ing thick c*** he was.

A f***ing thick c*** who took a team from around 19th to finishing 10th in the space of 18 months. Not to mention the brilliant job he did at Bolton.

We have no idea who Allardyce wanted to sign for us. It's been firmly established in the past 3 years that the manager of our club has little say in such matters.

I don't like the guy, or his brand of football. But of all the managers we've had since Bobby, he's by far the one i'd have the most confidence in to keep a poor team in the PL. His record speaks for itself, as much as the biased bunch would like to deny it.

I remember in the January window when he got the boot we made approaches for West Brown & Lassana Diarra. The first our offer was rejected and the second he was asking for a crazy amount of wages so talks broke down.

I agree with your post, like.. but I think that based on the type of players he brought in whilst here it was clearly what kind of squad he was trying to assemble.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: rocksammy on Thursday 16 December 2010, 07:29:47 AM
Course we would have. It's hilarious that people try to weight-up losses to Derby and Liverpool against 10 years of basically doing an excellent job as PL boss. In terms of accumlating points, anyway.

What good was that to us?

I wouldn't say we were going down, but regardless of what he's done in the past and where we were in the table, we were in relegation form when he was sacked.

And you could say exactly the same about our record with Keegan. 5 wins out of 19.

The point is, there is far, far more evidence to suggest Allardyce would have kept us up than not. His record with Bolton, Blackburn and even us to some extent, points to a fairly strong conclusion.

What a f***ing daft conclusion. Bolton and Blackburn were teams built on sides with physically large players especially up front. The thick fat b****** Allardyce didn't have enough nous to adjust to the players we had and tried to implement his anti-football tactics with players who were bought for different qualities altogether. What a f***ing thick c*** he was.

A f***ing thick c*** who took a team from around 19th to finishing 10th in the space of 18 months. Not to mention the brilliant job he did at Bolton.

We have no idea who Allardyce wanted to sign for us. It's been firmly established in the past 3 years that the manager of our club has little say in such matters.

I don't like the guy, or his brand of football. But of all the managers we've had since Bobby, he's by far the one i'd have the most confidence in to keep a poor team in the PL. His record speaks for itself, as much as the biased bunch would like to deny it.

I remember in the January window when he got the boot we made approaches for West Brown & Lassana Diarra. The first our offer was rejected and the second he was asking for a crazy amount of wages so talks broke down.

I agree with your post, like.. but I think that based on the type of players he brought in whilst here it was clearly what kind of squad he was trying to assemble.
Arshavin as well ?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Thursday 16 December 2010, 12:13:22 PM
Changed their mind now, Steve Kean not going to be considered for the permanent role.

And now they say he IS still being considered. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Friday 17 December 2010, 12:32:53 PM
Matt Derbyshire on BSA


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The installation of Sam Allardyce as manager – and the particular style of football he brings – hastened your departure from Blackburn. What did you make of his recent sacking?

Going back to the Blackburn one, I love the club. It was a fantastic club to be at. All the guys were good, all my family live in Blackburn, I’m a Blackburn-born lad – but, at the time, I knew straight away when Sam Allardyce came in [that I wouldn’t be first choice]. I’d started the last five games and scored three but, as soon as he came in, I went back to being fourth choice again. We all know what kind of striker he likes - a big target man – so I went in and said, “I know I’m not your sort of striker; can I leave?” That was it.   

Was there any kind of reaction from the squad in general to the introduction of Allardyce’s methods, especially so soon after Mark Hughes’ reign?

Obviously with Mark Hughes we played very good football, knocking it about the park. You can always see with Mark Hughes’ teams that he likes them to play good football, get it in behind. He doesn’t like to lump it as Sam Allardyce does. It’s effective but, as a player, I don’t like playing like that and a lot of fans don’t like seeing that either. But that’s his method and he can never change his spots. That’s how he wins games but I know who I’d rather be playing for, know what I mean?

Full interview @ http://www.sport.co.uk/features/Football/1442/EXCLUSIVE_INTERVIEW_Birmingham_Citys_Matt_Derbyshire.aspx

Talks about Shearer as well.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Friday 17 December 2010, 12:37:15 PM
But, but, it was just Newcastle fans who didn't like it! They're too demanding! :lol:

Not so sure I agree with him on Mark Hughes' teams like.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: QuakesMag on Friday 17 December 2010, 06:41:50 PM
But, but, it was just Newcastle fans who didn't like it! They're too demanding! :lol:

Not so sure I agree with him on Mark Hughes' teams like.

It's all context.  A swarm of 5-year olds running after a ball is much more interesting to watch than BSA's 19th century tactics (with a modern tit job).
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Friday 17 December 2010, 07:19:07 PM
Fair play Derbyshite.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 18 December 2010, 12:38:39 PM
f***ing hate how pally Sky are with Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Saturday 18 December 2010, 12:40:18 PM
f***ing hate how pally Sky are with Allardyce.

Suprised they managed to get a clip of Wenger praising him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jill on Saturday 18 December 2010, 12:40:29 PM
f***ing hate how pally Sky are with Allardyce.

Was just thinking that.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: HTT on Saturday 18 December 2010, 07:54:18 PM
Allardyce is still a top manager who will always do an above average job given the right type of environment. He would have succeeded here under FS in my opinion. Still, he seems bitter these days and needs to change some of his methods if he is to get back to being the kind of manager he was at Bolton. His football style is awful though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 18 December 2010, 08:19:46 PM
In terms of formulating a gameplan to mamximize playing resources and imposing that gameplan on each visiting team, he's brilliant. But you obviously need a little bit of tactical flexiblity to win games away from home, and he doesn't have that.

It'd be quite interesting to see what he'd actually do with a shitload of money.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: quayside on Saturday 18 December 2010, 08:32:40 PM
In terms of formulating a gameplan to mamximize playing resources and imposing that gameplan on each visiting team, he's brilliant. But you obviously need a little bit of tactical flexiblity to win games away from home, and he doesn't have that.

It'd be quite interesting to see what he'd actually do with a shitload of money.

Yup. It would be interesting but I just don't think anyone would trust him with a shitload to spend. He had a chance here to work with a squad set up to play football and it just got worse and worse (fwiw I don't think we would have been relegated under him but hey that's irrelevant tbh). His skill is survival on a low budget and in that niche he's as good as it gets. There will always be a desperate club owner who needs to stay up at all costs so there will be a job out there for Fat Sam for a few years yet.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 18 December 2010, 08:52:56 PM
feck off sam,
hes saying he wants traps job just feck off sam we don't want you
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Tuesday 21 December 2010, 05:31:19 PM
"Why?" by Big Sam Allardyce

Also wants to know why Wallsender & former Toon spotty right back Neil McDonald was not put in charge
 
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"I really can't get it out of my mind. I can't put my finger on it, I think that's one of the problems," he told Sky Sports News.

"Having never really met the new owners and had little dialogue, somebody somewhere has obviously said something derogatory to get me out of this job.

"That's the one thing I want to find out because I want to find out why. If I can, I will, if I can't, I'll just have to move on with my life."

Surprise

Allardyce has also expressed his surprise that assistant manager Neil McDonald was not retained by the club to oversee first-team affairs instead of Steve Kean.

Kean landed the post on a caretaker basis, but Allardyce feels that former Carlisle United manager McDonald would have made an excellent stopgap.

"That was a stranger one for me. If there was anybody capable of looking after the reins, with all due respect to Steve, it would be Neil McDonald," he continued.

"He had a close working relationship with the players as assistant manager, he's managed before, it would have been him to look after the football club until such time as maybe they appointed a new manager. But that wasn't to be either."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6606551,00.html
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 21 December 2010, 05:37:30 PM
"Why?" by Big Sam Allardyce

Also wants to know why Wallsender & former Toon spotty right back Neil McDonald was not put in charge
 
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"I really can't get it out of my mind. I can't put my finger on it, I think that's one of the problems," he told Sky Sports News.

"Having never really met the new owners and had little dialogue, somebody somewhere has obviously said something derogatory to get me out of this job.

"That's the one thing I want to find out because I want to find out why. If I can, I will, if I can't, I'll just have to move on with my life."

Surprise

Allardyce has also expressed his surprise that assistant manager Neil McDonald was not retained by the club to oversee first-team affairs instead of Steve Kean.

Kean landed the post on a caretaker basis, but Allardyce feels that former Carlisle United manager McDonald would have made an excellent stopgap.

"That was a stranger one for me. If there was anybody capable of looking after the reins, with all due respect to Steve, it would be Neil McDonald," he continued.

"He had a close working relationship with the players as assistant manager, he's managed before, it would have been him to look after the football club until such time as maybe they appointed a new manager. But that wasn't to be either."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_6606551,00.html

FOR THE LAST TIME ALLERDYCE YOUR FOOTBALL TEAMS PLAY s*** FOOTBALL!

ITS HORRIBLE TO WATCH.

YOU WERE SACKED BECAUSE YOU ARE A ONE TRICK PONY. JUST LIKE MEGSON.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 02:46:42 PM
Steve Kean will manage them till the end of the season.

That's them into the relegation mix. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 04:34:37 PM
Excellent. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 04:42:06 PM
In terms of formulating a gameplan to mamximize playing resources and imposing that gameplan on each visiting team, he's brilliant. But you obviously need a little bit of tactical flexiblity to win games away from home, and he doesn't have that.

It'd be quite interesting to see what he'd actually do with a shitload of money.

I don't see why you need a shitload of money to play football the Allardyce way, he's had the most success with smaller clubs who can only get results through buying big physical players with emphasis on set pieces. When he was given an expensive squad of smaller players at Newcastle he still tried to play the same way, which if anything showcases his lack of flexibility and basic understanding of football common sense.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 04:51:16 PM
Erm, yes. Which is exactly why it would be interesting.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 05:43:47 PM
Shot themselves in the foot - excellent!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 06:02:24 PM
Btw the best thing about this is just how p*ssed off Allardyce will be. His first team coach has taken his place despite having precisely f*** all experience.

Skit you fat prick.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 06:05:58 PM
Erm, yes. Which is exactly why it would be interesting.

It was the first sentence which I was disputing

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In terms of formulating a gameplan to mamximize playing resources and imposing that gameplan on each visiting team, he's brilliant.


He clearly didn't maximise his resources at Newcastle, by playing long ball to small strikers. His gameplan was thus utter s****.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 06:07:12 PM
His last sacking resulted in the appointment of a man who'd been managing a leisure centre for 3 years. Wonder how his ego will deal will it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Darth Crooks on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 06:12:23 PM
Gordon Brittas?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Wednesday 22 December 2010, 08:29:18 PM
They'll bomb down the league and sack Kean in February after they've given him a bit of cash to spend. They don't know what they're doing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Thursday 23 December 2010, 02:45:47 AM
They'll bomb down the league and sack Kean in February after they've given him a bit of cash to spend. They don't know what they're doing.

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pandamninator on Thursday 23 December 2010, 03:22:49 AM
In terms of formulating a gameplan to mamximize playing resources and imposing that gameplan on each visiting team, he's brilliant. But you obviously need a little bit of tactical flexiblity to win games away from home, and he doesn't have that.

It'd be quite interesting to see what he'd actually do with a shitload of money.

Spunk 6 million on Alan Smith?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stottie on Thursday 23 December 2010, 05:27:43 AM
In terms of formulating a gameplan to mamximize playing resources and imposing that gameplan on each visiting team, he's brilliant.

So long as the gameplan is to stop the opposition playing, the worst team in Premiership history included.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: johnson293 on Thursday 23 December 2010, 02:48:55 PM
Benitez sacked at Inter... no doubt Big Sam is currently digging out his Italian phrase book... just incase, like??!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ObiChrisKenobi on Thursday 23 December 2010, 02:52:17 PM
Dieci uomini dietro la palla in ogni momento. Kick l'opposizione. Lungo tutto davanti. Solo sparare quando il portiere è stato preso.

Or 'Catenaccio' .
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sifu on Saturday 25 December 2010, 11:43:40 PM
I know it's from the People and it's likely to be a load of bulls**t, but this made me chuckle:

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Qatar Hero: Big Sam is wanted by super-rich Arab state

Dec 24 2010 By Steve Bates, The People
Sam Allardyce, in charge of Blackburn Rovers, stands on the touchline and watches his side in action

SamPic

SAM ALLARDYCE is wanted by mega-rich Qatar to shape a team good enough to grace the 2022 World Cup.

The oil-rich Arab state shocked ­football when winning the right to stage the World Cup - now they want Big Sam to groom their young stars.

Allardyce, sacked by Blackburn earlier this month, has figured prominently in secret discussions held recently by the Qatari FA.

The man they choose to succeed current Qatar boss Bruno Metsu will pocket a salary of £5million a year – putting him in the same monster pay bracket as Sir Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger.

With money no object, the Qatar FA want to reach 2022 with a team who won’t embarrass their nation.

It’s a tall order – Qatar has no football tradition and the national side has won only 39 of 86 World Cup qualifiers in the notoriously weak Asian section.

They want a top-name manager well versed in sports medicine and psychology – and Allardyce is considered an expert in both.

Big Sam, once a front-runner for the England job before Fabio Capello got the gig, has always fancied a crack at working abroad and enjoyed a spell doing media work in Dubai and Abu Dhabi after being sacked by Newcastle United two years ago.

Qatar are determined to make an impact at the 2022 World Cup but they realise it will take a well-planned strategy and the expertise of a top manager.

It’s a mission that may appeal to 56-year-old Allardyce, but the former Bolton, Newcastle and Blackburn chief may also have an opportunity in wealthy Dubai.

Mega-bucks Arab outfit Al-Ahly – currently managed by David O’Leary – wanted Allardyce last summer but refused to pay compensation to Blackburn and the deal fizzled out.

Former Leeds boss O’Leary is struggling to impress and Al-Ahly top brass are considering a change.

The recent arrival of Allardyce in Dubai for TV work caused a new stir in the sands and he could be offered the post soon, with the lure of tax-free cash hard to resist.

But Al-Ahly and the Qatar FA may have to move fast as Allardyce is a front-runner to replace Avram Grant at West Ham.

Hammers, who have been trying to line up a successor to the doomed Grant for months, could make an official approach shortly.

Allardyce will be clear to take a job once he has sorted out his pay-off from Rovers. He will have to sign a belated ‘confidentiality clause’ despite his criticism of the decision to fire him.

The worry for Allardyce where Hammers are concerned is that the Upton Park crowd is unlikely to embrace the kind of football Big Sam favours.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Saturday 25 December 2010, 11:59:16 PM
Would be interesting to watch. When do they want him in to start building though? Because he's obviously not going to be their manager for 12 years. Besides, they're better off just chucking a bit more money at FIFA and get a bye to the quarters at least so it looks good in the history books.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: JH on Sunday 26 December 2010, 01:15:55 AM
"with money no object" - what they going to do? Buy a load of decent uncapped players Qatari grandparents so they can play for the national side? :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Sunday 26 December 2010, 01:53:06 AM
with 12 yers to work on it he'll have all the info on how the heat and humidity will affect a ball travelling 60 yds at 40ft.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stottie on Sunday 26 December 2010, 11:54:44 AM
with 12 yers to work on it he'll have all the info on how the heat and humidity will affect a ball travelling 60 yds at 40ft.

And then Adidas will change the ball!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Sunday 26 December 2010, 12:06:56 PM
"with money no object" - what they going to do? Buy a load of decent uncapped players Qatari grandparents so they can play for the national side? :lol:

Funnily enough JH that is what they did try to do years ago but FIFA stepped in changed the rules saying players had to play in a that countries domestic league for a number season rather than having that nations passports as they gave a batch of Brazilian footballers who had been there about week Qatar passports. They raid Kenya for runners.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Sunday 26 December 2010, 12:31:16 PM
with 12 yers to work on it he'll have all the info on how the heat and humidity will affect a ball travelling 60 yds at 40ft.

And then Adidas will change the ball!

:lol: Don't know why that made me laugh so damn much! I'm just picturing BSA reading the newspaper after they announce this 'lighter than ever, curlier than ever, most amazing new ball ever' and  his face dropping, and he just falls into a state of depression :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: guinness_fiend on Sunday 26 December 2010, 06:01:34 PM
Gordon Brittas?

(http://www.bbcprograms.com/catalog/brittasempire/images/0102_Brittas%20Empire.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: OzzieMandias on Sunday 26 December 2010, 06:04:42 PM
Thanks for pointlessly making the thread unreadable.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 27 December 2010, 10:02:39 PM
Deserves a shot at the Chelsea job IMO. :bluestar:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 28 December 2010, 01:44:53 AM
He'd obviously get more out of the players than Ancelotti.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Heneage on Tuesday 28 December 2010, 01:47:15 AM
Deserves to be shot if he applies for the Chelsea job IMO. :bluestar:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Sunday 9 January 2011, 12:39:06 AM
:lol: Can't believe I missed this.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Sunday 13 February 2011, 11:28:08 AM
He's on football on sunday or whatever its called and is waxing lyrical about guess who? Himself! Keeps going on about Enrique too, especially that he was his signing.

 
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I had Blackburn playing some great  football
  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TrueToon on Sunday 13 February 2011, 11:29:57 AM
He's on football on sunday or whatever its called and is waxing lyrical about guess who? Himself! Keeps going on about Enrique too, especially that he was his signing.

 
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I had Blackburn playing some great  football
 :facepalm:

Yeah i'm watching now,Blaming all his sackings on everything other than his own doing :-)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Spider Jerusalem on Sunday 13 February 2011, 11:56:34 AM
He's on football on sunday or whatever its called and is waxing lyrical about guess who? Himself! Keeps going on about Enrique too, especially that he was his signing.

A signing that he barely played when he was here.  Has he also mentioned that he signed Alan Smith and Geremi?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Sunday 13 February 2011, 11:59:06 AM
He's on football on sunday or whatever its called and is waxing lyrical about guess who? Himself! Keeps going on about Enrique too, especially that he was his signing.

A signing that he barely played when he was here.  Has he also mentioned that he signed Alan Smith and Geremi?

Nah funnily enough he forgot about them.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: guinness_fiend on Sunday 13 February 2011, 12:00:01 PM
(http://totalfootballmadness.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Sam-Allardyce-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jill on Sunday 13 February 2011, 12:00:56 PM
Need a new thread title, I keep wanting curry every time I see this.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Sunday 13 February 2011, 12:55:18 PM
Says he would like to go abroad on Goals On Sunday.

Hope he goes to Spain, they wouldn't know what the f*** had hit them.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 13 February 2011, 01:02:07 PM
He could take a couple of weeks on the Costa del Sol, would be very surprised if he got a manager's job.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Vincent Vega on Sunday 13 February 2011, 01:06:01 PM
Was a f***ing disgrance on Goals On sunday like, had to turn him off. What pisses me off  more than anything else is the fact that all of the pundits and guests are all so pally pally and just sit there letting him spout his s*** about his time at Newcastle with out pointing out the shocking football we were playing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 13 February 2011, 01:11:11 PM
Allardyce would move abroad and just shout loudly at foreigners instead of learning the lingo.

"BALL-O HOOF-O TO TARGET MAN-O"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 13 February 2011, 01:22:13 PM
Enrique wasn't his signing though. He may have been bought under him, but I believe it was Jiminez or Vuture (sp?) that sorted out that deal.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: colinmk on Sunday 13 February 2011, 01:24:01 PM
Enrique wasn't his signing though. He may have been bought under him, but I believe it was Jiminez or Vuture (sp?) that sorted out that deal.

He claimed that 'his' people had identified him before he was our manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Skirge on Sunday 13 February 2011, 01:36:47 PM
He is such a fkn fat waste if space.. big bloke but a sad little man
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NEEJ on Sunday 13 February 2011, 01:54:41 PM
It's unbelievable how much he talks, and talks a load of s**** for that matter.
"When you're not winning games, it's important to focus on the games unbeaten, not lost. Never underestimate the importance of a draw."
Yes draws are important, BUT NOT WHEN YOU SET YOUR TEAM OUT TO GET THEM, ESPECIALLY AGAINST DERBY f***ing COUNTY. YOU BIG FAT PRICK!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Anderson on Sunday 13 February 2011, 02:48:16 PM
Linked with the Qatar job. :iamatwat:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Sunday 13 February 2011, 02:49:01 PM
Pep had been linked with the Qatar job until he extended his contract this week, that's a hell of a downgrade :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thespence on Sunday 13 February 2011, 02:54:37 PM
Enrique wasn't his signing though. He may have been bought under him, but I believe it was Jiminez or Vuture (sp?) that sorted out that deal.

Mort in The Mag said they got word about Enrique being available & moved quickly i.e private plane booked to get JE across to the UK.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NJS on Sunday 13 February 2011, 02:58:58 PM
I hate the way he states that EVERY f***ing CLUB IN THE WORLD now follows his backroom/science model to a tee with no exceptions and no moderation.

Yeah right, if it wasn't for you everybody would still be eating pie and chips (ironic considering how he looks).



Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallace on Sunday 13 February 2011, 03:57:51 PM
You have to give Allardyce credit - he has no equal when it comes to self-promotion.  Any oppportunity and he is there claiming credit for some player or other.  It was Carroll a few weeks back and now it is Jose.

And Tiote has proved that not all foreign players need a season to adjust to the Premier League.



Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 08:37:40 PM
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FA in £50k bung probe
Ace gave cash to ‘fixer’

By ROB BEASLEY
Published: Today

FA chiefs were last night probing a £50,000 "bung" allegedly paid over the transfer of a Premier League footballer.

Investigators were studying Sun tapes after French international Gael Givet claimed an unlicensed middleman received secret payments following his Blackburn Rovers move.

Givet said: "It felt wrong. I was very uncomfortable."

Givet, 29, has told The Sun how he was persuaded to shell out £50,000 over the move to Blackburn - to a local TAILOR.

The defender joined the Premier League side from Marseille in a £3.5million deal in 2009.

He recalled how Manchester tailor Phil Black, who also owns a fashion store, contacted him out of the blue and helped set up the move. He described how Black, who is NOT registered with the FA as an agent, also picked him up at a UK airport and drove him to meet then-Rovers boss Sam Allardyce.

But the ace claims he was "shocked" when Black later demanded payment for his part in organising the move, which began as a loan.

And he told The Sun how he reluctantly handed over the first £5,000 in an envelope full of notes before transferring £15,000 directly into Black's account, then parting with a giant cheque for £30,000.

Last night FA chiefs were examining our dossier of tapes, transcripts and documents as they launched an investigation into allegations of a "bung".

Givet, who agreed to co-operate with any FA probe, spoke to The Sun in front of his lawyer and his new agent.

In an emotional interview, he said: "Phil Black was the first person to contact me, texting and asking if I was interested in joining Blackburn.

"And he was at Liverpool airport to meet me and my agent Frederic Dobarje when we came to agree the deal.

"But that was the first time I'd met him and all he did was drive us to the ground. He never, ever came into the club or any meetings with us.

"I just thought he was working for Blackburn. But after I'd signed he started demanding money, saying he was due a slice of the agent's fee agreed by Blackburn with my agent."

Givet said Black first demanded the cash from ex-agent Dobarje, but turned to him when he was snubbed.

He added: "Black kept on asking me for money. He kept saying he should have been paid and had received nothing.

"He told me he needed money because he couldn't pay his mortgage, he needed money to keep the bank off his back.

"It felt bizarre, it felt wrong and I was very uncomfortable about it, but he was very persistent. He said he'd repay me when Frederic gave him his cut of the agent's fee. I was in a strange country, I didn't know if this was usual - I didn't know who to turn to. Afterwards I felt such a fool."

Black confirmed his role in the transfer when approached by The Sun - and admitted taking money from married Givet, Rovers Players' Player of the Year last season.

He claimed the total was less than the star said, but insisted he was entitled to a payout.

Black said of the cash sum: "From what he's getting - 65 grand a week - I don't think £5,000 is a big present, do you?"

It is understood he later gave back £15,000. But Givet has called in lawyers and is demanding the rest back too.

Black denied effectively acting as an unlicensed agent. He said: "It's not been a case of that. I just did it as a favour.

"I have been involved in football all my life - I have just helped people out."

Football rules strictly prohibit any third party being paid for a transfer unless a licensed agent. The measures are aimed at preventing illegal payments and bribes in the transfer market after the game was hit by "bung" scandals.

The FA last night confirmed an investigation had been ordered. A spokesman said: "We will be looking into the material and the issues that may be raised by the content provided by The Sun."

Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3584261/FA-in-50k-bung-probe.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News#ixzz1Mdk4GPuB

Wonder if there's any truth to this? If so, wonder if Blackburn could get relegated anyway because of it? ???

And t think we'd been in for Gievt too...apparently? :shifty:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: AliGupter on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 08:39:38 PM
It doesn't look like Blackburn are involved in any way...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: HTT on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 09:27:52 PM
Who hands someone some money they don't know because they send some texts. The player deserves to lose evrything he has for his complete and utter stupidity. What a fuckwit :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 09:30:37 PM
Who hands someone some money they don't know.

Indeed. At least build a relationship with your money first. Stroke it, show it some love.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 10 November 2012, 02:32:46 AM
f*** me, did anyone read this fat-headed c***'s column in the Standard this evening?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Saturday 10 November 2012, 02:41:01 AM
There's a newer Allardyce thread than this, you mong, thought he'd been sacked :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Saturday 10 November 2012, 02:45:19 AM
Aye but this title's better innit, wind yer neck in.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TaylorJ_01 on Saturday 10 November 2012, 02:55:49 AM
damn, son
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shak on Saturday 10 November 2012, 03:02:14 AM
(http://thesecularity.com/download/file.php?id=721&t=1)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Saturday 10 November 2012, 03:02:24 AM
There's a newer Allardyce thread than this, you mong, thought he'd been sacked :lol:

:lol: I did too.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Saturday 23 November 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Press should be rounding on him:

£20m+ spent in the summer (add £15m+ from last season)
2 wins out of 12
9 goals in 12 games
Out of the bottom 3 on GD
turgid s**** of football
Record signing is a crock
Most his signings will be non-recoupable in fees

What an 'orrible c***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 23 November 2013, 07:45:51 PM
I'd sell my granny to see that fat headed turd relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Saturday 23 November 2013, 07:46:39 PM
I'd sell my granny to see that fat headed turd relegated.

:thup: wouldn't be his fault though, of course.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 23 November 2013, 07:48:36 PM
I'd sell my granny to see that fat headed turd relegated.

:thup: wouldn't be his fault though, of course.

Redknapp was blaming the lack of big front man, ignoring Sam spending £15m on a crock and buying Downing when he clearly need a front man because of said crock.

100% Fat Sam's fault. Utter bellend of a manager and hope the c*** gets them relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Saturday 23 November 2013, 07:52:06 PM
I'd sell my granny to see that fat headed turd relegated.

:thup: wouldn't be his fault though, of course.

Redknapp was blaming the lack of big front man, ignoring Sam spending £15m on a crock and buying Downing when he clearly need a front man because of said crock.

100% Fat Sam's fault. Utter bellend of a manager and hope the c*** gets them relegated.
He did have a 6 foot 3 international front man on his bench, but decided to start with a fat, immobile midfielder instead.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 23 November 2013, 07:53:33 PM
I'd sell my granny to see that fat headed turd relegated.

:thup: wouldn't be his fault though, of course.

Redknapp was blaming the lack of big front man, ignoring Sam spending £15m on a crock and buying Downing when he clearly need a front man because of said crock.

100% Fat Sam's fault. Utter bellend of a manager and hope the c*** gets them relegated.
He did have a 6 foot 3 international front man on his bench, but decided to start with a fat, immobile midfielder instead.

Aye but it wont be his fault. f*** knows how he gets away with it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:00:41 PM
Hippo head getting relegated would be awesome.  Do they have cash to spend in jan or have they spunked it all on carroll and downer?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mole_Toonfan on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:17:54 PM
I saw something on Sky Sports News with one of the anchors saying " Isn't Allardyce incredibly underrated; did amazing work at Bolton, Blackburn would have never gone down with him, well at Newcastle i don't know what happened there and now at West Ham he's doing a great job with no strikers".

Paraphrasing slightly but that's basically what i remembered of it, i naturally turned the TV off after that quote.

Can't stand the bloke and the media w*** fest that surrounds him, would be fantastic if they went down.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Varadi on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:22:25 PM
Hippo head getting relegated would be awesome.  Do they have cash to spend in jan or have they spunked it all on carroll and downer?

Would be a huge gamble for them to spend any more if they're at risk of relegation - their wage bill is way too big for the Championship.

Be class if he takes them down - can just see us bringing Carroll back on loan this summer with them paying half his wages... :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ujpest doza on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:22:55 PM
Please please Please get relegated.

I Hate That c*** Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:46:04 PM
I never got how he achieved media darling status to begin with when hes just at best your bang average hoof merchant and theres nothing progressive about his football in the slightest even in any kind of young english policy (his tendency has been older players)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:48:00 PM
Current form aside he's always been about getting results irrespective of w*** football, so I'm surprised some on here don't want him back. Cos that's all that matters, right?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:48:27 PM
I never got how he achieved media darling status to begin with when hes just at best your bang average hoof merchant and theres nothing progressive about his football in the slightest even in any kind of young english policy (his tendency has been older players)

English, overachieved (and tbf did a good job) at smaller clubs with no expectations so can play the didn't get a chance with big clubs cos of forrins cards, "hounded out of SJP", Fergies mate, Jay Jay Okocha did tricks, talks a good game and likes a pint, etc. etc.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Belfast Mags on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:50:18 PM
I never got how he achieved media darling status to begin with when hes just at best your bang average hoof merchant and theres nothing progressive about his football in the slightest even in any kind of young english policy (his tendency has been older players)

English, overachieved (and tbf did a good job) at smaller clubs with no expectations so can play the didn't get a chance with big clubs cos of forrins cards, "hounded out of SJP", Fergies mate, Jay Jay Okocha did tricks, talks a good game and likes a pint, etc. etc.

100% this :thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:50:30 PM
Lose his next game to Fulham and I reckon the c***s of the wham board may panic and press the your fired button.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:51:14 PM
I never got how he achieved media darling status to begin with when hes just at best your bang average hoof merchant and theres nothing progressive about his football in the slightest even in any kind of young english policy (his tendency has been older players)

Always thought he got away with it by having players like Jay Jay okocha, Fernando Hierro, that French forward who's name escapes me. Players like that always masked things, especially with the media.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:52:50 PM
When's Carroll back? He'll grind out results with him in the team but not without. Personally I hope the horrible c*** never plays again but I assume he will.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:54:35 PM
I never got how he achieved media darling status to begin with when hes just at best your bang average hoof merchant and theres nothing progressive about his football in the slightest even in any kind of young english policy (his tendency has been older players)

Always thought he got away with it by having players like Jay Jay okocha, Fernando Hierro, that French forward who's name escapes me. Players like that always masked things, especially with the media.

Djorkaeff?

As I said he did a great job at Bolton even if they were probably overextending themselves in doing so and Blackburn wouldn't be in the mess they are in today if they'd kept but give him money and time and opportunity and he shows his limited one trick pony ways more than anyone else.

West Ham will stay up this season, the league is s*** and if Carroll gets back (if not they'll gamble in Jan) they'll pick up more points and as the league is s*** they'll survive but for the money spent on fees and wages compared to the return in results and entertainment the bloke is a criminal.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:55:53 PM
I never got how he achieved media darling status to begin with when hes just at best your bang average hoof merchant and theres nothing progressive about his football in the slightest even in any kind of young english policy (his tendency has been older players)

Always thought he got away with it by having players like Jay Jay okocha, Fernando Hierro, that French forward who's name escapes me. Players like that always masked things, especially with the media.

Djorkaeff?

As I said he did a great job at Bolton even if they were probably overextending themselves in doing so and Blackburn wouldn't be in the mess they are in today if they'd kept but give him money and time and opportunity and he shows his limited one trick pony ways more than anyone else.

West Ham will stay up this season, the league is s*** and if Carroll gets back (if not they'll gamble in Jan) they'll pick up more points and as the league is s*** they'll survive but for the money spent on fees and wages compared to the return in results and entertainment the bloke is a criminal.

Spot on this  O0

Aye and it was Djorkaeff, ta ;)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dr Colossus on Saturday 23 November 2013, 08:58:22 PM
Feel he's slightly mismanaging Morrison. If you look at how Martinez is managing Barkley, he seems to be very much keeping him in check and resting him before he gets burnt out and his form drops (similar to Sterling did last season after an extended run of games for Liverpool).

Allardyce on the other hand seems to be putting as much onto his shoulders and building him up as much as possible.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:00:02 PM
Feel he's slightly mismanaging Morrison. If you look at how Martinez is managing Barkley, he seems to be very much keeping him in check and resting him before he gets burnt out and his form drops (similar to Sterling did last season after an extended run of games for Liverpool).

Allardyce on the other hand seems to be putting as much onto his shoulders and building him up as much as possible.

Thought exactly that during the game, he looked lost tonight.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:02:34 PM
It's daft. I thought he was exactly what we needed after the Roeder and Souness fiascos. And, at the time of the signings themselves, was pretty chuffed with our investment that summer. Unfortunately, though, they were a collection of absolute travesties, Faye and Enrique aside.

Viduka, Geremi, Cacapa - past it and unfit.
Beye - not bad, but he was more a mercenary than he was a good player.
Rozehnal - plain rubbish.
Alan Smith - f*** off.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: palnese on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:03:33 PM
Beye was class.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: sempuki on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:03:53 PM
He is in trouble imo. Work with a few Spammers and he is not very popular.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:04:42 PM
Feel he's slightly mismanaging Morrison. If you look at how Martinez is managing Barkley, he seems to be very much keeping him in check and resting him before he gets burnt out and his form drops (similar to Sterling did last season after an extended run of games for Liverpool).

Allardyce on the other hand seems to be putting as much onto his shoulders and building him up as much as possible.
right now he's all he has goalscoring wise/any kind of inspiration wise so its not surprising. Beyond belief he spent £10m on Downing when it was obvious they needed cover for a very injury prone Carroll.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:05:45 PM
Beye was class.

I was a big fan in his first season, but quickly lost interest and there it wasn't a surprise him being one of the first out the door.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: henke on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:08:44 PM
The Queen should have stepped in and hung him after Derby away. The fat prick.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:09:34 PM
It's daft. I thought he was exactly what we needed after the Roeder and Souness fiascos. And, at the time of the signings themselves, was pretty chuffed with our investment that summer. Unfortunately, though, they were a collection of absolute travesties, Faye and Enrique aside.

Viduka, Geremi, Cacapa - past it and unfit.
Beye - not bad, but he was more a mercenary than he was a good player.
Rozehnal - plain rubbish.
Alan Smith - f*** off.
Was it he or Fat Freddie who signed Barton because that was a disastrous signing as well, one good 6 month period where he just aimed at Carroll and the rest of the time he was either injured, suspended or in jail not to mention the horrific PR
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: palnese on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:09:44 PM
Beye was class.

I was a big fan in his first season, but quickly lost interest and there it wasn't a surprise him being one of the first out the door.

:thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bimpy474 on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:10:49 PM
It's daft. I thought he was exactly what we needed after the Roeder and Souness fiascos. And, at the time of the signings themselves, was pretty chuffed with our investment that summer. Unfortunately, though, they were a collection of absolute travesties, Faye and Enrique aside.

Viduka, Geremi, Cacapa - past it and unfit.
Beye - not bad, but he was more a mercenary than he was a good player.
Rozehnal - plain rubbish.
Alan Smith - f*** off.
Was it he or Fat Freddie who signed Barton because that was a disastrous signing as well, one good 6 month period where he just aimed at Carroll and the rest of the time he was either injured, suspended or in jail not to mention the horrific PR

Barton was a Fat Sam signing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:11:26 PM
It's daft. I thought he was exactly what we needed after the Roeder and Souness fiascos. And, at the time of the signings themselves, was pretty chuffed with our investment that summer. Unfortunately, though, they were a collection of absolute travesties, Faye and Enrique aside.

Viduka, Geremi, Cacapa - past it and unfit.
Beye - not bad, but he was more a mercenary than he was a good player.
Rozehnal - plain rubbish.
Alan Smith - f*** off.
Was it he or Fat Freddie who signed Barton because that was a disastrous signing as well, one good 6 month period where he just aimed at Carroll and the rest of the time he was either injured, suspended or in jail not to mention the horrific PR

Forgot Barton, like. He was his first. £5.5m £5.8m. He had his good spells and I was disappointed by the time he left but, all in all, another rubbish signing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Saturday 23 November 2013, 09:30:08 PM
Beye was class.

I was a big fan in his first season, but quickly lost interest and there it wasn't a surprise him being one of the first out the door.

:thup:

He was injured for most of the second season thanks for that prick Cattermole. Was fantastic when he played centrally for the last few games of the season.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Saturday 23 November 2013, 11:15:34 PM
"Play for two 1-0s in next two gamesone 1-0 and one 0-0"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:19:36 AM
There's no way we'd have been relegated under Allardyce, no way. He's too good a manager to have let that happened, as much as he's dislikeable as a chap.

Agreed.

Now... the game has developed a bit and i'm not so sure a side of his wouldn't get relegated. I thought the same thing about MO'N but S'land would've gotten relegated last season with him at the helm.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:22:08 AM
There's no way we'd have been relegated under Allardyce, no way. He's too good a manager to have let that happened, as much as he's dislikeable as a chap.

Agreed.

Now... the game has developed a bit and i'm not so sure a side of his wouldn't get relegated. I thought the same thing about MO'N but S'land would've gotten relegated last season with him at the helm.
i think ronaldo was taking the p*ss.............wasn't he ?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:22:13 AM
I never got how he achieved media darling status to begin with when hes just at best your bang average hoof merchant and theres nothing progressive about his football in the slightest even in any kind of young english policy (his tendency has been older players)

English, overachieved (and tbf did a good job) at smaller clubs with no expectations so can play the didn't get a chance with big clubs cos of forrins cards, "hounded out of SJP", Fergies mate, Jay Jay Okocha did tricks, talks a good game and likes a pint, etc. etc.

The thing with Bolton, is that he signed seasoned (okay pretty old) internationals on decent wage packets. He could've spent more on fees if he wanted too but he brought in lads on some decent wedge for a few years instead.

IMO he's a disease though. After he leaves a club, the club will likely get relegated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:23:29 AM
There's no way we'd have been relegated under Allardyce, no way. He's too good a manager to have let that happened, as much as he's dislikeable as a chap.

Agreed.

Now... the game has developed a bit and i'm not so sure a side of his wouldn't get relegated. I thought the same thing about MO'N but S'land would've gotten relegated last season with him at the helm.
i think ronaldo was taking the p*ss.............wasn't he ?

About Allardyce? Nah. No way we'd have gone down under him, no way in a million years.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:25:02 AM
There's no way we'd have been relegated under Allardyce, no way. He's too good a manager to have let that happened, as much as he's dislikeable as a chap.

Agreed.

Now... the game has developed a bit and i'm not so sure a side of his wouldn't get relegated. I thought the same thing about MO'N but S'land would've gotten relegated last season with him at the helm.
i think ronaldo was taking the p*ss.............wasn't he ?

About Allardyce? Nah. No way we'd have gone down under him, no way in a million years.
still can't decide if you're taking the p*ss.

fwiw I think we were dead from the pompey game with him here.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: The College Dropout on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:26:01 AM
There's numerous times last season we looked down imo and we ended up 12th.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:26:34 AM
There's numerous times last season we looked down imo and we ended up 12th.

No we didn't, good guess though :thup:

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:27:03 AM
We were mid-table when he was sacked.

Allardyce is a c*** but I can't see him ever taking a team down in the PL. He's too good at hustling points.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:27:13 AM
There's numerous times last season we looked down imo and we ended up 12th.
not like in sams time.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:27:34 AM
I thought we were in big danger with Allardyce especially when you have to rely on an 86th minute equalizer at home to Derby.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: madras on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:29:08 AM
We were mid-table when he was sacked.

Allardyce is a c*** but I can't see him ever taking a team down in the PL. He's too good as hustling points.
we were in mid table but never deserved a win and were looking more wretched by the game. relagation was coming after us.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Sunday 24 November 2013, 12:29:15 AM
We were mid-table when he was sacked.

Allardyce is a c*** but I can't see him ever taking a team down in the PL. He's too good at hustling points.

:thup: The best lower echelon manager at killing a game for a point/1-0.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Sunday 17 April 2016, 12:14:24 PM
Has anybody heard any mention of the fat c***'s disgraceful behaviour on the touchline yesterday when he shoved a Norwich substitute absolutely unprovoked? I'm surprised it's been glossed over in the general media euphoria over their result, but his antics in general yesterday were pretty crass. He's also come out and said that if Sunderland go down he'll leave the club. Probably the manager I'll hate the most for as long as I live along with Pardew.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallace on Sunday 17 April 2016, 01:41:12 PM
Has anybody heard any mention of the fat c***'s disgraceful behaviour on the touchline yesterday when he shoved a Norwich substitute absolutely unprovoked? I'm surprised it's been glossed over in the general media euphoria over their result, but his antics in general yesterday were pretty crass. He's also come out and said that if Sunderland go down he'll leave the club. Probably the manager I'll hate the most for as long as I live along with Pardew.

Odd as the general impression was that he would stay regardless and I am sure I read something where he said he was really happy there.  Unless of course, he is saying it as a way to motivate the players.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Sunday 17 April 2016, 02:28:02 PM
They were talking about it on the Sunday Supplement this morning, but it is just a story run in the Sunday Mirror, there aren't any direct quotes so it might just be made up. I don't see how that could motivate his players if they knew he wasn't in it for the long haul.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ujpest doza on Sunday 17 April 2016, 06:01:09 PM
Has anybody heard any mention of the fat c***'s disgraceful behaviour on the touchline yesterday when he shoved a Norwich substitute absolutely unprovoked? I'm surprised it's been glossed over in the general media euphoria over their result, but his antics in general yesterday were pretty crass. He's also come out and said that if Sunderland go down he'll leave the club. Probably the manager I'll hate the most for as long as I live along with Pardew.
Not mentioned at all, just good old sam getting involved, passion etc.
Not much different to pardew nutting meyler in my john humble.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 17 April 2016, 07:50:16 PM
Caught a bit of Sunday Supplement and they were all saying Allardyce is doing a great job and even if they go down it wouldn't be his fault. Then they proceed to talk about how he got board backing in January whilst completely ignoring what they said above.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: henke on Monday 18 April 2016, 06:30:57 AM
All the experts seem to be saying Sunderland are now guaranteed to stay up because fat Sam is in charge. So fat Sam is a great manager because after he's got you into the s*** he'll probably get you out of it? Eh? 😁
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Minhosa on Friday 29 April 2016, 06:56:35 AM
See this fat c*** has started the mind games then. f***ing fat slob.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Friday 29 April 2016, 07:28:00 AM
See this fat c*** has started the mind games then. f***ing fat slob.

“Newcastle will win on Saturday, I’d have a bet on that if I could,” said Allardyce, ahead of Sunderland’s trip to Stoke City on Saturday. “Newcastle pose the bigger threat [than Norwich] to our survival.

“I think they’ll beat Palace and they’ve got Villa, then it depends on what Spurs do there. So I think they’ll win at least two.

“Palace are in the FA Cup final and they would all have been celebrating, they would all have been on the pop [alcohol].

“They won’t be mentally ready for it and neither will Alan [Pardew], because he’ll be thinking about the final now, not thinking about Newcastle away.

“You’re not going to stop the lads celebrating having got through to a final, particularly Crystal Palace, because it’s such a good achievement for the club, the fans, Alan and the owner, there is such euphoria around the place.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Elliottman on Friday 29 April 2016, 07:34:04 AM
Hope he's right.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stottie on Friday 29 April 2016, 08:18:55 AM
As if Stoke have anything to play for.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Minhosa on Friday 29 April 2016, 08:26:12 AM
As if Stoke have anything to play for.

Or Watford/Everton the heinous blob.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Friday 29 April 2016, 08:27:50 AM
Bitter mind games from the most lemon sucking man in football. He'll have been gutted Palace didn't have a foreign manager so he could cry about that too.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: 54 on Friday 29 April 2016, 08:38:43 AM
Quote
Atletico Madrid boss Diego Simeone would be labelled "boring" if he were managing in the Premier League, says Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce.

A sound defensive display helped Atletico earn a 1-0 first-leg advantage over Bayern Munich in the Champions League semi-finals on Wednesday.

Atletico, the 2014 Spanish champions, knocked out La Liga title rivals Barcelona in the last eight.

Allardyce said: "'He defends too much' - that's what he'd get here."

Bundesliga leaders Bayern dominated the second half after Saul Niguez's sublime solo goal had given the La Liga side an early lead, but Atletico's defence blunted their attack.

Allardyce, whose own methods have been labelled as dour in the past, added: "It's an art, defending - everybody has forgotten that. It's a tactical art to be able to sense danger and block people's crosses and get your toe in without fouling them now and they are very, very good at it indeed.

"The whole team buys into it. You see Fernando Torres on the edge of his own box defending. You never saw that at Liverpool or Chelsea.

"That's how good the manager is and that's why they are successful. They are successful because they concede fewer goals than everybody else and only need one to win.

"Now, everybody can say 'well, that's not entertaining', but everybody is eulogising Simeone's tactics now. I wouldn't think they would do that in the Premier League so much."

Atletico are only behind Barca in La Liga on head-to-head record with three games left.

Atletico v Bayern
Atletico had to withstand heavy Bayern pressure in the second half, particularly between 55 and 60 minutes when the visitors were camped in the opposing half
Sunderland have collected three clean sheets in their last four games and the manager said extending that defensive record over the four remaining league matches was key to relegation survival.

The Black Cats - who moved out of the relegation zone last weekend but only on goal difference - play Stoke on Saturday.

"At the moment, if we keep those clean sheet ratios going in the next four games, I am convinced we will stay up," added the 61-year-old

Such a bitter t*** :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Friday 29 April 2016, 09:17:06 AM
Has this fat slob ever said anything that makes people believe he's remotely happy in life?

Always crying on about something.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Friday 29 April 2016, 09:18:12 AM
Absolutely hate the bloke, he's appalling.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: 1964 on Friday 29 April 2016, 09:44:34 AM
His attempts at mind games man!!!   He's even s*** at that, the stupid Easter Island headed cretin
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Varadi on Friday 29 April 2016, 10:00:08 AM
His attempts at mind games man!!!   He's even s*** at that, the stupid Easter Island headed cretin

Fat mess is about 20 years behind with everything. Embarrassed for him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: reefatoon on Friday 29 April 2016, 10:05:19 AM
Simeone would also not be hanging around the relegation zone for the whole of his career if he was managing in the premier league, so the fat useless c*** can stop that comparison right there. I'd honestly celebrate him being relegated more than it being Sunderland. f***ing detest him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Friday 29 April 2016, 10:10:36 AM
As good an excuse as any to re-bump this beauty:

http://www.football365.com/news/no-sam-allardyce-you-couldnt-do-a-leicester
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Friday 29 April 2016, 10:22:56 AM
:lol: Aye, first thing I thought of.

Quote
Allardyce loves to imply that someone other than himself is to blame for whatever crime against football he’s currently committing.

Yeah.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: John P on Friday 29 April 2016, 10:57:28 AM
Never read that article before, it's absolutely glorious.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Friday 29 April 2016, 02:13:28 PM
Just to make me laugh a bit more at this t*** has anyone got the video of him conducting the training at SJP over the tannoy system?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: John P on Friday 29 April 2016, 02:18:02 PM
Just to make me laugh a bit more at this t*** has anyone got the video of him conducting the training at SJP over the tannoy system?

Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmzp1Wt3tkU
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shak on Friday 29 April 2016, 02:26:33 PM
That video. :lol:

"Listen up, maggots. You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You're the same decaying organic matter as everything else."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Friday 29 April 2016, 02:28:57 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gjohnson on Friday 29 April 2016, 02:37:31 PM
Just to make everyone feel better, this gent is now training Sunderland.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallsendmag on Friday 29 April 2016, 02:45:41 PM
If ever there was a manager paired with a football club that deserves relegation and nowt but bad luck it's Allardyce and sunderland. Just a shame football hardly ever works out like that
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Friday 29 April 2016, 02:48:31 PM
Sunderland would already be safe and we'd be down if he hadn't of absolutely shat his kegs at the thought of keeping attacking in the second half against us.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gjohnson on Friday 29 April 2016, 03:00:57 PM
Sunderland would already be safe and we'd be down if he hadn't of absolutely shat his kegs at the thought of keeping attacking in the second half against us.


Think we'd have got the win on the break if they'd kept trying to attack. Remember when Allardyce used to press for a second when we were leading games?..... Hmmm, me neither. Either way, he was taking us down with his brand of organisation.

The difference is that the players we had when he was in charge (Viduka, Owen, Smith, Cacapa etc) didn't have enough character or nastiness to work in a relegation threatened team. Sunderland now are full of helmets who are used to scrapping so perfectly suit how he likes to set up his teams.   
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mistle17 on Friday 29 April 2016, 03:43:36 PM
In fairness, what he said about Simeone is absolutely true.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Friday 29 April 2016, 04:02:43 PM
If ever there was a manager paired with a football club that deserves relegation and nowt but bad luck it's Allardyce and sunderland. Just a shame football hardly ever works out like that

This!

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Bimpy474 on Friday 29 April 2016, 04:26:59 PM
He really thinks fans know nothing about football and his tactics are amazing future thinking stuff.

In reality, a fat chancer who to be fair knows a decent footballer, who plays horrible percentage stuff that wins f*** all at the end of the day.

The fat arsehole.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Saturday 30 April 2016, 02:19:56 AM
Just to make me laugh a bit more at this t*** has anyone got the video of him conducting the training at SJP over the tannoy system?

Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmzp1Wt3tkU

Cheers :lol: :thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sima on Saturday 30 April 2016, 06:47:42 AM
The conditions are perfect for that video, no sunshine and blue skies.

Grey and totally f***ing miserable.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: newsted on Sunday 29 May 2016, 12:57:14 PM
I'm 2 weeks behind on my TV and this fat f***ing gloating mess has landed on my screen. FML. :(
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 29 May 2016, 01:38:18 PM
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paulie Walnuts on Sunday 29 May 2016, 01:43:38 PM
still chewing the same wasp
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ankles Bennett on Tuesday 28 June 2016, 12:51:37 PM
Surely he will go for the England job again.  He might even get it this time.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ads on Tuesday 28 June 2016, 12:53:37 PM
Got his own thread: http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,67149.msg6005566/topicseen.html#msg6005566  (http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,67149.msg6005566/topicseen.html#msg6005566)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 28 June 2016, 12:54:50 PM
Yes yes and yes for a whole host of reasons a wonderful way to finish his glorious career
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 28 June 2016, 12:57:10 PM
This might be a big goer for hippo heed.  Him being super keen on stats and tactics with no substance has got England written all over it.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 29 June 2016, 07:50:16 AM
This bloke has to get the job, I can't see the point if paying £10 million a year for a European tactical master that has to deal with players that are not fit for tournament football we need a bulldog of a man that will get a defense organised and get the players motivated, he is also desperate to get the job and is probably one of the few people that would walk over hot coals to get it.................there's also the added bonus of seeing the inevitable makem meltdown
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:42:08 PM
Interview with the fa this week
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:44:00 PM
:memelol: The fa
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Rocker on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:44:29 PM
As if I needed another reason to hate the England team anymore.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:45:32 PM
As if I needed another reason to hate the England team anymore.

This.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:46:06 PM
Hope his Powerpoint skills have improved.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Sunday 10 July 2016, 10:53:32 PM
And that's exactly why we need to go foreign. The most viable English candidates are s***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: sempuki on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:02:10 PM
Interview with the fa this week
Bad news for England and the mackems.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:05:11 PM
And that's exactly why we need to go foreign. The most viable English candidates are s***.
:thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:05:12 PM
Only positive is Sunlun might appoint some chump who finally takes them down.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: huss9 on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:05:54 PM
gutted.
bad news for england.
perfect for the mackems - get rid of allardyce and get paid millions for doing so (akin to us getting souness off blackburn, or pardew to palace).
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:11:20 PM
The worst part of it is that the c*** will point to Portugal winning the tournament and say that's what we need to do.

:anguish: :anguish: :anguish:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:14:48 PM
Went on RTG to see what they were saying about it and apparently on a video from their training camp he's said that his patience on lack of transfers is 'wearing very thin indeed' and expressed his disappointment at Santon not coming.

This is going to f***ing happen isn't it. :puke:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mickthemagpie on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:16:21 PM
Hate it when the mackems are looking for a new manager. There's always a chance they might hit lucky and appoint a good one.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:16:36 PM
Christ, hate this bloke more than any other manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:17:20 PM
I am not sure if this is good or bad for the mackems. Hope they get Mcclaren :yao:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bhoywhonder on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:24:26 PM
:spit:
:spit:
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:spit:
:spit:
:spit:
:spit:
:spit:
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I f*cking HATE the english national team. I now hate them a little less......because  :D
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:25:17 PM
The FA really dont want England to be successful, do they? :lol:

Sadly this will mean Fat Sam keeps his media storm of 'relegation God' name and the mackems get the opportunity to replace the f***ing idiot.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:25:55 PM
Buzzing to watch us go to Malta to try and grab a well-earned point in a dull 0-0.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: thomas on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:26:15 PM
delicious
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:26:39 PM
I think this would be enough to completely kill any attachment I have to the national side like. I always think I'm losing interest and then a major tournament pops up, but Sam would be too much.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:31:32 PM
Odds on him getting stabbed in Russia have dramatically reduced though...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:31:43 PM
The media (particularly the broadcasters) will find tiptoeing round this one interesting if it happens. They love heaping praise on the PFMs, safe in the knowledge that the f***ers won't ever rock up in a million years at any of the clubs they have an interest in.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:32:31 PM
Odds on him getting stabbed in Russia have dramatically reduced though...

It'd have to be a very lengthy sword to have any chance of making it into his rancid guts.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:33:41 PM
Would love this purely from a Sunderland perspective. Maybe he'll bring Klinsmann in as his assistant manager too


Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:33:58 PM
Odds on him getting stabbed in Russia have dramatically reduced though...

It'd have to be a very lengthy sword to have any chance of making it into his rancid guts.

Might do it to himself after being beaten by a team made up and managed completely by forrins though the weird UKIP loving fat c***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:41:55 PM
The whole 'England need an english manager' is s*** like. Allardyce has done nothing in his career to suggest he could lead an international side. The only reason he is being considered is because of his nationality.  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: henke on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:44:35 PM
Lolz gan on Mike Bassett, this is the 2nd best appointment they could make behind Pards.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: lovejoy on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:45:13 PM
Good. Hope he gets it. They can be shown up together (him and the fa).
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:47:08 PM
if the FA go for allardyce they've really outdone themselves this time, to be that scared of england fans hating forrins that you'd go to allardyce is so far off the reservation :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:48:03 PM
2018 is going to be grim. s*** team, s*** manager, in a s*** country. As long as we still have Rafa.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Sunday 10 July 2016, 11:49:15 PM
Lolz gan on Mike Bassett, this is the 2nd best appointment they could make behind Pards.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:05:41 AM
The whole 'England need an english manager' is s*** like. Allardyce has done nothing in his career to suggest he could lead an international side. The only reason he is being considered is because of his nationality.  :idiot2:

I do think England should have an English manager like, I tend to think the rules should be the same for managers as for players. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with a nationalist view when it comes to the national football team. The other major footballing nations in Europe (league-wise) wouldn't dream of hiring a foreigner. That said, I think we should be hiring a foreigner right now because the options available are absolutely pathetic and that reflects so so badly on football in this country.

The issue is the fact that while the other major leagues in Europe produce top managers on a very regular basis, England continues to lag embarrassingly far behind, to the point where the only 3 English managers in the entire division finished in the 3 places just above the relegation zone (Eddie Howe has an obvious reason for that). There's a major problem somewhere, though I don't profess to know what the answer is.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:07:47 AM
That's because the English managers are never given a chance at the top clubs, silly.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:09:00 AM
Agree Wullie. For me though, the fact that English management is in such a poor place is even more of a reason for the FA to give the job to an Englishman. Not f***ing Sam Allardyce though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:10:33 AM
The whole 'England need an english manager' is s*** like. Allardyce has done nothing in his career to suggest he could lead an international side. The only reason he is being considered is because of his nationality.  :idiot2:

I do think England should have an English manager like, I tend to think the rules should be the same for managers as for players. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with a nationalist view when it comes to the national football team. That said I think we should be hiring a foreigner right now because the options available are absolutely pathetic and that reflects so so badly on football in this country.

The issue is the fact that while the other major leagues in Europe produce top managers on a very regular basis, England continues to lag embarrassingly far behind, to the point where the only 3 English managers in the entire division finished in the 3 places just above the relegation zone (Eddie Howe has an obvious reason for that). There's a major problem somewhere, though I don't profess to know what the answer is.

Thats the point i am making. Its all well and good saying we need an English manager, but the options available are s**** :lol: Allardyce is not good enough for the role, but hes English so he might get it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: joeyt on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:10:40 AM
Interesting to see who Sunderland turn to if this happens.  Pray it's Kevin Ball again
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:10:47 AM
Interview with the fa this week

(http://i.imgur.com/DcpP1zA.gif)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:10:53 AM
The whole 'England need an english manager' is s*** like. Allardyce has done nothing in his career to suggest he could lead an international side. The only reason he is being considered is because of his nationality.  :idiot2:

I do think England should have an English manager like, I tend to think the rules should be the same for managers as for players. I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with a nationalist view when it comes to the national football team. The other major footballing nations in Europe (league-wise) wouldn't dream of hiring a foreigner. That said, I think we should be hiring a foreigner right now because the options available are absolutely pathetic and that reflects so so badly on football in this country.

The issue is the fact that while the other major leagues in Europe produce top managers on a very regular basis, England continues to lag embarrassingly far behind, to the point where the only 3 English managers in the entire division finished in the 3 places just above the relegation zone (Eddie Howe has an obvious reason for that). There's a major problem somewhere, though I don't profess to know what the answer is.

It's not the be all and end all but why coach and improve when you can buy and improve?

If he gets a similar deal to Hodgson he'll be the highest paid manager in international football. Give me strength.
 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:11:47 AM
First Brexit, now this s***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:12:15 AM
May as well knock st georges down if we appoint Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:34:55 AM
This just goes to prove that the FA is ran by old men who are out of touch with the game and the world.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:37:03 AM
This just goes to prove that the FA is ran by old men who are out of touch with the game and the world.

A cursory glance at the FA website would also prove that the FA is run by old men.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sir Toon on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:48:02 AM
If the chewing gum addict does get the job then I wonder which stooge the inbreds will get next.  Whoever it is, they'll only last until January at the latest until they replace him for another boost in search of gaining that 17th place trophy target again.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ash on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:48:28 AM
This just goes to prove that the FA is ran by old men who are out of touch with the game and the world.

A cursory glance at the FA website would also prove that the FA is run by old men.

One of the three people selecting the new manager openly admits he isn't a 'football expert' ffs. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sir Toon on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:51:33 AM
This just goes to prove that the FA is ran by old men who are out of touch with the game and the world.

A cursory glance at the FA website would also prove that the FA is run by old men.

One of the three people selecting the new manager openly admits he isn't a 'football expert' ffs. :lol:

That's bad that is.

Even someone as footballingly inept as Lee Charnley fluked a decision right now and then with Rafa the proof.   Could do worse than someone like Klinsman or Eddie Howe
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:55:08 AM
Imagine thinking Jurgen or Sam were the answer to your problems. Dear me.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Carlito on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:12:16 AM
:spit:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:34:16 AM
This just goes to prove that the FA is ran by old men who are out of touch with the game and the world.

A cursory glance at the FA website would also prove that the FA is run by old men.

One of the three people selecting the new manager openly admits he isn't a 'football expert' ffs. :lol:

That's bad that is.

Even someone as footballingly inept as Lee Charnley fluked a decision right now and then with Rafa the proof.   Could do worse than someone like Klinsmann or Eddie Howe

Yes you certainly could. Definitely. You should probably opt for Jurgen.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:07:56 AM
It might not matter too much who the next boss is tbh, not now that Stoke reserves are going to be playing in the Johnstone's Paint trophy. Triumph in Russia is all but guaranteed.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: afar on Monday 11 July 2016, 05:10:03 AM
If they employ this buffoon it's clear the FA have learnt absolutely f***ing nothing. Although it would be funny to see the Mackems have to search around, I wonder if their lack of activity thus far in the transfer market has been down to some kind of apathy from Fat face, who is arrogant enough to think "why bother I have the England job lined up".
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sima on Monday 11 July 2016, 06:21:19 AM
2018 is going to be grim. s*** team, s*** manager, in a s*** country. As long as we still have Rafa.

Might not even qualify. That would be laughs.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Monday 11 July 2016, 07:12:22 AM
Bet Sunderland end up hiring a decent manager after Allardyce. I just have this feeling.

Allardyce will destroy England. Well, destroy it more.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Monday 11 July 2016, 07:14:29 AM
Apparently he's had a falling out with the top brass at sunderland due to the lack of transfer activity "my patience is wearing very thin" is his latest quote
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Monday 11 July 2016, 07:15:46 AM
As someone who doesn't support England, this is great.

As someone who wants this to drag out & screw Sunderland over, this is great.

But Sam's smugness.... terrible idea.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: hakka on Monday 11 July 2016, 07:50:53 AM
Now I finally couldn't give a s*** about supporting the national side, I'd like to see Allardyce have a crack. Will be funny to see what happens.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: John P on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:01:02 AM
What the f*** are the FA thinking man? They look through all potential candidates and think Big Sam is the one?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallsendmag on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:15:08 AM
Hope this doesn't happen. Not because I care less about England but I think Moyes would be nailed on to join the paedos which is a big improvement on Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Collage on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:35:46 AM
:lol: Unbelievable. Sam f***ing Allardyce
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: cubaricho on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:47:24 AM
After watching the absolute s*** that Portugal has played this tournament and still won the whole thing, I don't think Allardyce is that bad of a shout for you guys.

It won't be pretty, but you might f***ing win.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufcjb on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:00:44 AM
I'd rather Pards over Fat Sam for England just so that Pardew will be absolutely decimated by the media and mackems continue to be s*** under Sam. Now, it seems Fat Sam will destroy the English team and split the fanbase and mackems might get a better manager in.

Oh well. Could have been a worse summer. Rafa leaves to join another team and we end up with Pearson. So I'm ok with it so far.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:17:02 AM
After watching the absolute s*** that Portugal has played this tournament and still won the whole thing, I don't think Allardyce is that bad of a shout for you guys.

It won't be pretty, but you might f***ing win.


The guy has won dick all his career.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stal on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:18:56 AM
I'd rather Pards over Fat Sam for England just so that Pardew will be absolutely decimated by the media and mackems continue to be s*** under Sam. Now, it seems Fat Sam will destroy the English team and split the fanbase and mackems might get a better manager in.

Oh well. Could have been a worse summer. Rafa leaves to join another team and we end up with Pearson. So I'm ok with it so far.

It's a false logic-that smug b***ard pardew will not even acknowledge the fact he was s*** for England and see it as a success for him that he managed his country. I want him to be seen for the charlatan he is right now and for the press to annihilate him for his current and past works.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mr Logic on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:24:22 AM
I can only assume the FA thinks avoiding relegation is similar to avoiding getting beat in an International comp, nothing else would explain hiring this windbag.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:28:10 AM
Yes,. Please make this happen.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:29:14 AM
The indignation if he didn't qualify from
(http://i.imgur.com/2QwK754.png)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:31:08 AM
I imagine seeing Iceland do "well" with a direct and organised approach has influenced these jokers.

Instead of recognising the England team has far more talent and looking for someone that can nurture it, they are looking to emulate Iceland.

Unreal.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sima on Monday 11 July 2016, 09:36:01 AM
A drab 0-0 draw away at Hampden using 3 DMs should do nicely.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: morla84 on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:03:36 AM
Deserve each other tbh. Might be short term cheap option until someone becomes available
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:06:57 AM
I don't think I'll watch a game under Fat Sam.

I'm not really much of an England supporter, watch the games if they are on and I'm not doing anything, but won't go out of my way to watch them unless we are at the later stages of a competition. If Fat Sam takes over though then I'll lose what interest I have.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:10:04 AM
I'll watch one out of morbid fascination, see what on earth he decides to do.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: U2 on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:11:54 AM
We'll win our qualifying games with ease, the press and public will talk us up as potential World Champions and we'll go out in the second round to a brave Scotland.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Jayson on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:12:31 AM
Are they taking the f***ing p*ss
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Elma on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:15:27 AM
I think I want this to happen. Never been too bothered about England apart from in the tournaments and that wouldn't be a great loss. Although there's a chance the mackems would replace him with someone decent, I think I'd take that risk. They're not going down any time soon with Allardyce there and in terms of performance he's the only decent managerial appointment they've made in years. If they are forced to change manager now, and they get it wrong, they would be prime relegation candidates this year.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:23:47 AM
TBH I'd rather England were comedy awful than just constantly average, might be worth giving this a go just for entertainment value.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:25:16 AM
The thing is, tournaments where England are actually good :yao: are class.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:30:18 AM
he should have no trouble getting them to the world cup especially with that group, as for the tournament itself he'd find it hard to do worse than Hodgson did in this one and the last world cup.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: B-more Mag on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:32:39 AM
Allardyce: "Socks and flip-flops are totally rad."

The FA: "Oh yes please."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Village Idiot on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:33:08 AM
We are heavily rumored to approach Vicente Caparrós, who's the Spanish equivalent to Fat Sam. Looks like bright years are coming for continental football :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:54:09 AM
As someone who wants this to drag out & screw Sunderland over, this is great.

Very much disagree with this like. I'd much rather they keep him so we know exactly what they're getting.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TheHoob on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:14:00 PM
Aye maybe. They've got absolutely no ambition as a club mind so I can't see them pulling off anything particularly special in terms of a new appointment.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:32:11 PM
As someone who wants this to drag out & screw Sunderland over, this is great.

Very much disagree with this like. I'd much rather they keep him so we know exactly what they're getting.

They'd get a solid 14th or 15th finish. But they could easily be stuck with a new manager with very little time to buy his own players.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Scoot on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:36:57 PM
Aye maybe. They've got absolutely no ambition as a club mind so I can't see them pulling off anything particularly special in terms of a new appointment.

If they had any ambition that would mean they would become "deluded" like us. So their fans purposely don't have any to avoid being hypocrite's.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:38:25 PM
As someone who wants this to drag out & screw Sunderland over, this is great.

Very much disagree with this like. I'd much rather they keep him so we know exactly what they're getting.

They'd get a solid 14th or 15th finish. But they could easily be stuck with a new manager with very little time to buy his own players.

They could also end up with an unexpected Ranieri/Bilic type transformation. I'm more than happy for them to have to watch that garbage.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:39:27 PM
Couldn't give a f*** about them tbh, I really don't want Sam Allardyce as the England manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kanji on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:56:44 PM
Really s*** appointment if this happens.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TK-421 on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:58:20 PM
It really is Mike Bassett brought to life, if this happens.

Only consolation, is the disruption to the mackems.... hopefully.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pixelphish on Monday 11 July 2016, 12:59:14 PM
They've learnt absolutely nothing :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mozy on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:07:15 PM
I was all ready to come on and agree with most on here about it, but in some weird twisted way I think it might actually work. Someone to pick the players for the tactic rather than just shoehorning the big names.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: The College Dropout on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Would genuinely prefer Pards. Pardew has potential for true hilarity. Failing to qualify for the WC or going on a great run. Allardyce? Drudge our way into the WC, stink it up, qualify for last 16 with four points then lose a penalty shootout after a 0-0 game to South Korea.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:25:16 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/07/11/england-manager-search-fa-plan-steve-bruce-talks-this-week/
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: morla84 on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:35:29 PM
LOL imo
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: High Five o/ on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:47:25 PM
Sorry state of affairs when Big Sam and Bruce is the main contenders for the job :lol:

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: themanupstairs on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:49:45 PM
They won't budge from the PFM rhetoric especially after brexit :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: B-more Mag on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:52:46 PM
Selection committee's apparently putting all its eggs in the "Who's best for David Squires?" basket.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: John P on Monday 11 July 2016, 01:58:07 PM
What on earth are the FA doing? Fat Sam and Fat Steve, jesus wept.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:34:21 PM
The whole 'England need an english manager' is s*** like. Allardyce has done nothing in his career to suggest he could lead an international side. The only reason he is being considered is because of his nationality.  :idiot2:

The Germans always hire from within, as do France so I have no problem with it in principle. But f***ing Allardyce? Why not just give Hoddle another go? Far better to give the job to a bible basher than a f***ing troglodyte.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:35:42 PM
f***ing hell, they really did talk to Redknapp didn't they? These are his recommendations!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:36:23 PM
f***ing hell, they really did talk to Redknapp didn't they? These are his recommendations!

If he suggests s**** people it somehow makes him look better though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:39:55 PM
As someone who wants this to drag out & screw Sunderland over, this is great.

Very much disagree with this like. I'd much rather they keep him so we know exactly what they're getting.

I'm really p*ssed off at this, I was hoping Allardyce would be at sunderland for years yet. Still, he's only one of those being interviewed, hopefully he'll be rejected again and he can continue his turgid project on wearside.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 11 July 2016, 02:59:46 PM
Forgot he blamed lack of PowerPoint facilities for his failure last time:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sam-allardyce-lack-of-powerpoint-facilities-cost-me-the-england-job-a6692191.html

Some of them quotes man, he's such an arrogant prick.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dokko on Monday 11 July 2016, 03:02:34 PM
Go with Howe ffs. Take an interesting risk.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: loki679 on Monday 11 July 2016, 03:16:36 PM
Would genuinely prefer Pards. Pardew has potential for true hilarity. Failing to qualify for the WC or going on a great run. Allardyce? Drudge our way into the WC, stink it up, qualify for last 16 with four points then lose a penalty shootout after a 0-0 game to South Korea.

(http://i.imgur.com/S0W6N.gif)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toon25 on Monday 11 July 2016, 03:22:57 PM
Seriously...on what basis would these utter fuckwits consider Allardyce a remotely ambitious appointment.

An absolute joke. They should be fired with s***.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sima on Monday 11 July 2016, 03:53:39 PM
Forgot he blamed lack of PowerPoint facilities for his failure last time:

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/sam-allardyce-lack-of-powerpoint-facilities-cost-me-the-england-job-a6692191.html

Some of them quotes man, he's such an arrogant prick.

'Knock your socks off'

As opposed to leaving them on and then putting sandals on, I presume.  I'll go with the former, Boss Nass.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kanji on Monday 11 July 2016, 04:35:05 PM
Couldn't get the added wow of the fade transitions and scrolling text
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: 54 on Monday 11 July 2016, 05:22:23 PM
BBC reporting that he hasnt been contacted yet.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mr Logic on Monday 11 July 2016, 05:24:17 PM
Selection committee's apparently putting all its eggs in the "Who's best for David Squires?" basket.

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toontownman on Monday 11 July 2016, 05:36:23 PM
BBC reporting that he hasnt been contacted yet.
Allardyce reporting he hasn't been contacted!

Still haven't heard anything.. feel free to call me anytime like.  I have my mobile with me at all times.  All times..
 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 11 July 2016, 05:50:37 PM
Genuine question, but do the FA need permission from the club to speak to a manager or can they just interview him because it's the FA?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Anon on Monday 11 July 2016, 06:46:24 PM
So this is a track record for an England manager?

Blackpool - sacked
Notts County - relegated to Division Two
Bolton - did well, no denying
Newcastle - signed Alan Smith
Blackburn - finished 15th, 10th, sacked
West Ham - 10th, 13th, 12th, contract not renewed as the fans and owners hated his football so much
Sunderland - Had almost a whole season, only kept up by a paedo and us
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: thomas on Monday 11 July 2016, 06:49:34 PM
So this is a track record for an England manager?

Newcastle - signed Alan Smith, gave Derby County 4 of their (record low) 11 points in 07-08
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mr Logic on Monday 11 July 2016, 06:56:03 PM
So this is a track record for an England manager?

Blackpool - sacked
Notts County - relegated to Division Two
Bolton - did well, no denying
Newcastle - signed Alan Smith
Blackburn - finished 15th, 10th, sacked
West Ham - 10th, 13th, 12th, contract not renewed as the fans and owners hated his football so much
Sunderland - Had almost a whole season, only kept up by a paedo and us

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: antz1uk on Monday 11 July 2016, 07:06:32 PM
Genuine question, but do the FA need permission from the club to speak to a manager or can they just interview him because it's the FA?

Yes they need permission, when Bobby Robson was managing us they asked for Shepherd's permission and he denied it

Edit: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2002/982967.stm
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:18:03 PM
His exact words were 'you lot can f*** off with this, like'.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Monday 11 July 2016, 08:49:46 PM
Didn't realise he'd left Sunderland's Austrian training camp today.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:39:17 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PCfTKu0.png)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:41:43 PM
England boss c*** more like
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:44:20 PM
Look at the clip of the fat c*** man. Representing a nation. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:48:19 PM
Tbf he is the stereotypical British 50+ male. Perfect representation.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:51:00 PM
Tbf he is the stereotypical British 50+ male. Perfect representation.
With that heed, f*** off man
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:52:37 PM
Tbf he is the stereotypical British 50+ male. Perfect representation.
With that heed, f*** off man

It's amazing how high the cap sits.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Monday 11 July 2016, 10:59:04 PM
Tbf he is the stereotypical British 50+ male. Perfect representation.
With that heed, f*** off man

It's amazing how high the cap sits.

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mighty__mag on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:01:45 PM
He will get the job and bring shearer in.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:04:05 PM
He is basically that c*** everyone in the hotel can hear mouthing off round the pool.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dave on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:06:10 PM
To be fair...

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 11 July 2016, 11:06:59 PM
He is basically that c*** everyone in the hotel can hear mouthing off round the pool.

"f***ing Germans everywhere mate with their towels and I go down the Crown for a fry up with a pint because the greasy locals here won't serve us before 9am. Do they not know who we are?"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 12:05:00 AM
Even by Louise's standards, this is absolutely rancid stuff. :lol:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/jul/11/sam-allardyce-england-sunderland-manager

"This approach has helped create one of the English game’s most innovative, three-dimensional thinkers"

:icon_puke_r:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 01:38:17 AM
Wow. She should be shot.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pilko on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 02:30:08 AM
"Infinitely less chippy" says Louise. Look at that photo of him from 2001 and it's clear he's been to the f***ing chippy more and more with each passing year
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: andyman on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 06:40:00 AM
RIP England  :idiot2:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufc4eva on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 07:06:01 AM
That article is f***ing sick, stupid horse bitch.

He is as much a dinosaur now as he was in charge of us man, the big hippo headed forrin hating c***.

I reckon Jan Kirchoff will be in bother after saying that forrin Pep is better than jovial Sam
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 07:18:09 AM
I've just heard Chris Sutton on Radio 1 news describe Big Sam as "the master of winning games". So how come Sunderland finished 17th last season then Chris?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 07:31:43 AM
Didn't realise he'd left Sunderland's Austrian training camp today.
Probably made a pilgrimage to the Fritzl compound.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LoveItIfWeBeatU on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 07:37:13 AM
Quote
Former Chelsea and England striker Chris Sutton said: "I think Allardyce has clout. He's proved himself. He gets the job done.

"If this tournament [Euro 2016] has taught us anything, it's about learning how to win football matches and Sam Allardyce is the master.

"How he kept Sunderland up this season, I don't know, but it was an incredible achievement.

"He studies opposition's weaknesses, he knows his team's strengths and he plays to them. It's all about winning."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36766990
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 07:54:17 AM
Would be worth it just to see him do this at Wembley

https://youtu.be/zmzp1Wt3tkU
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 08:10:10 AM
Master of winning 40 per cent of the time, he wins every time
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tsunami on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 08:29:41 AM
Sam would be a good choice for a developing football nation as he makes teams hard to beat but he'd be disastrous for the England job. He may employ loads of the "right type" of staff and he may use OPTA stats and get very detailed reports on the opposition but he uses all of this to play defensive, often long ball tactics with the sole aim of pinching victories.

If the FA believe this is the man to lead us to glory then God help us. It'd be more like an appointment to avoid embarrassment and acceptance of getting out of group stages and judging success by getting to the odd quarter or semi final stage. In fact, no, any manager worth his salt wouldn't lose to a Sam side at quarter final stage.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 08:46:05 AM
Quote
Former Chelsea and England striker Chris Sutton said: "I think Allardyce has clout. He's proved himself. He gets the job done.

"If this tournament [Euro 2016] has taught us anything, it's about learning how to win football matches and Sam Allardyce is the master.

"How he kept Sunderland up this season, I don't know, but it was an incredible achievement.

"He studies opposition's weaknesses, he knows his team's strengths and he plays to them. It's all about winning."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36766990

I too wonder how he kept them up, Chris. After all, he was only their manager for 30 of the 38 games - a phenomenal achievement in such a short space of time.

Just saw HanoiToon tweet that both McClaren and Pardle have higher win percentages over their careers. Is this true?  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Anon on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 08:54:15 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/tfcDQKF.png)

winner.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 08:56:38 AM
The FA do know England can't get relegated, right?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallace on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:02:29 AM
I heard some "expert" on the radio yesterday say that Allardyce had done a better job than Rafa because he kept Sunderland up and that was an incredible achievement considering where they were when he arrived.

They seem to overlook that he had most of the season and only just managed to keep them up and Rafa had very few games in comparison.  I am sure if Rafa had as many games we would not have been anywhere near the relegation zone by the end of the season.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:03:34 AM
They seem to overlook the fact that Rafa is a great manager and Big Sam is awful.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:13:32 AM
Master of winning 40 33.87 per cent of the time, he wins every time
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:15:07 AM
He'll romp out of the Euro group with that kind of record man.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:15:40 AM
I heard some "expert" on the radio yesterday say that Allardyce had done a better job than Rafa because he kept Sunderland up and that was an incredible achievement considering where they were when he arrived.

They seem to overlook that he had most of the season and only just managed to keep them up and Rafa had very few games in comparison.  I am sure if Rafa had as many games we would not have been anywhere near the relegation zone by the end of the season.



Also Di Canio, Poyet and Advocaat kept them up while they were keeping PFMs out of English jobs.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Fenham Mag on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:20:59 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/PCfTKu0.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-SdRdjwSpA/UFaHN4nLJAI/AAAAAAAABW0/cHD-dt-CPK8/s320/vlcsnap-2012-09-16-21h06m04s47.png)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:24:24 AM
Chris Sutton is absolutely obsessed with PFMs.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:28:27 AM
Only Villa won less games than the mackems last season. The Master.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:42:47 AM
The FA do know England can't get relegated, right?
They can soon with the new League of Nations.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wallsendmag on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:44:36 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/PCfTKu0.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-SdRdjwSpA/UFaHN4nLJAI/AAAAAAAABW0/cHD-dt-CPK8/s320/vlcsnap-2012-09-16-21h06m04s47.png)

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:47:59 AM
Only Villa won less games than the mackems last season. The Master.

As Portugal showed, you don't need to win games to win tournaments. Man the FA are a bunch of ass-hats.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:51:45 AM
This fat c*** England manager yet?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 09:58:16 AM
The FA are so hopeless. Wasn't Cameron supposed to reform them too? Another failure.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:03:45 AM
Ahhhhhhhhahahahaha! The FA simply don't have a clue do they?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: dabe on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:09:08 AM
The manager the England players deserve (sans maybe Dier & Lallana). Will get on well with the Man City variant of Captain Fistpumps.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 11:30:54 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/PCfTKu0.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-SdRdjwSpA/UFaHN4nLJAI/AAAAAAAABW0/cHD-dt-CPK8/s320/vlcsnap-2012-09-16-21h06m04s47.png)

A simple Photoshopping of the h for a c on the very top headline would make it far more accurate
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Dinho lad on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 12:05:53 PM
Only Villa won less games than the mackems last season. The Master.

As Portugal showed, you don't need to win games to win tournaments.

No wonder football is so much boring these days if that's the approach.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 12:07:46 PM
There are exceptions every few years, but generally you need to be a good team and play really well to win a tournament. Sam will be s*** for England.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stottie on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 01:51:46 PM
The media is reporting that he is prepared to "mentor his successor".
So that the idea is that the FA would want the same again after a spell of Big Sam football.
What a clusterfuck.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 02:10:51 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/PCfTKu0.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c-SdRdjwSpA/UFaHN4nLJAI/AAAAAAAABW0/cHD-dt-CPK8/s320/vlcsnap-2012-09-16-21h06m04s47.png)

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 02:43:33 PM
can only think the vote leave campaign have done some type of deal with the FA to try and take the heat off them or something :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 03:53:50 PM
If he got the England job would he have to quit the sunderland position? Seems like he can't get out of there fast enough.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: afar on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 04:15:10 PM
If he got the England job would he have to quit the sunderland position? Seems like he can't get out of there fast enough.
Not if you are playing FIFA16 or something. But of course you can't do both a club job the England one at the same time in real life. It's a little unlike him to not have signed anyone yet, that to me would be a clear signal that he at least thinks he's on his way.

As an Englishman that would be a truly dreadful appointment, still if Roy Hodgson and Steve McClaren  can be England managers why not this complete tool ? Really the choices they've seemed to have limited themselves to because of a stupid little ingerland mentality are shocking. just offer Wenger a stack of cash, it's simple really, you want to do well in world class tournaments then hire a world class manager not a used car salesman, or whatever vocation in life these English candidates missed.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Andy84 on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:18:43 PM
Here is Big Sam conducting Sunderlands transfer business

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3687159/Sam-Allardyce-emerges-frontrunner-England-job-Sunderland-manager-meets-FA-chiefs.html
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:21:21 PM
Didn't even wear a tie to his interview, guess he probably can't get one around his neck
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:26:25 PM
Them win %'s :lol:

Preston North End (1992) Win 25%

Blackpool (1994-96) Win 43%

Notts County (1997-99) Win 38.6%

Bolton Wanderers (1999-2007) Win 41.2%

Newcastle United (2007-08) Win 33.3%

Blackburn Rovers (2008-10) Win 35.6%

West Ham United (2011-15) Win 37.6%

Sunderland (2015-present) Win 29%
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: afar on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:28:32 PM
Them win %'s :lol:

Preston North End (1992) Win 25%

Blackpool (1994-96) Win 43%

Notts County (1997-99) Win 38.6%

Bolton Wanderers (1999-2007) Win 41.2%

Newcastle United (2007-08) Win 33.3%

Blackburn Rovers (2008-10) Win 35.6%

West Ham United (2011-15) Win 37.6%

Sunderland (2015-present) Win 29%

It's shocking really that a person with his record is even being considered for the role, which once upon a time was the thing all managers (at least English ones) strived towards.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:32:25 PM
The annoying thing about it is he's arrogant enough to think he's one of the best managers around and that it's long overdue, it'll still be funny though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: huss9 on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:50:32 PM
think fat sam should turn down the england job. if zidane doesn't get off to a flyer this season he's gonna be under pressure and the madrid job could suddenly come up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 10:59:41 PM
Is it happen
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LucaAltieri on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 11:14:17 PM
Allardyce isn't a quality manager, we all know that. But he's even more not suited to being a national team manager. He did well at Bolton by turning them into a professional setup, had them paying attention to diet and more forward-thinking training methods. If he's anything, he's fitness oriented in his style of coaching. That doesn't translate to a national team setup. His one (questionable) strength is one that doesn't apply when you have such little contact time with the players.

The biggest factor in managing an England team is the ability to manage the egos. How do you think he's going to do with that? What about his reputation makes anyone at the FA think that a player is going to come from training with one of the best managers in the world with his club team, then start taking orders from Fat Sam?

This will be a disaster.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: BeloEmre on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 11:14:41 PM
Let's hope Sunderland hire Woy :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 11:28:31 PM
Remember how good the parody Big Sam twitter account was back in the day.  Had some cracking stuff
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: sbnufc on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 11:29:25 PM
Let's hope Sunderland hire Woy :lol:

Moyes 100% 90%
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Slim on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 11:41:18 PM
Fast forward to the world cup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylftUmF-GSw
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tiotes Witch Doctor on Tuesday 12 July 2016, 11:44:42 PM
Think they will go down this season without him, passing them on the way up would be delicious.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 06:57:01 AM
Fast forward to the world cup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylftUmF-GSw

Wonderful..............that's just what England needs that.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Marmoset on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 09:15:37 AM
If he got the England job would he have to quit the sunderland position? Seems like he can't get out of there fast enough.
Not if you are playing FIFA16 or something. But of course you can't do both a club job the England one at the same time in real life. It's a little unlike him to not have signed anyone yet, that to me would be a clear signal that he at least thinks he's on his way.

As an Englishman that would be a truly dreadful appointment, still if Roy Hodgson and Steve McClaren  can be England managers why not this complete tool ? Really the choices they've seemed to have limited themselves to because of a stupid little ingerland mentality are shocking. just offer Wenger a stack of cash, it's simple really, you want to do well in world class tournaments then hire a world class manager not a used car salesman, or whatever vocation in life these English candidates missed.

It's not necessarily a little England mentality, I think we should go for an English manager fully aware that the options are bad. Not because I think 'we tried foreign and it doesnt work' like old Ian said, I just prefer national teams to have managers from their own countries.

Just wish they'd take a punt on someone unusual rather than a below average dullard. Give it to an ex-player or something.   International football is weird, who'd have though Chris Coleman would take a small nation to a semi final? Normal rules don't always apply.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: John P on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:11:33 AM
It really is a sorry state of affairs when doing a good job at Bolton (I think we have to give him that), distinctly average to poor with Newcastle, ok at West Ham (where the fans hated him and couldn't wait to get rid) and then managing Sunderland to 17th is enough to get you the England job.

I had a chat with a Sunderland supporting friend of mine this morning about it. He's a very intelligent guy, knows his football and he told me he would be really sad to see Sam go because they were a mess when he arrived, he brought in the right players to fill the gaps they had in their squad and he organised the defence and transformed them.

I can sort of see some of his points, but they still had the 4th worst defensive record in the league last year and I think he relies on constantly drilling his players to get them organised. He simply wouldn't have time to implement that organisation with England and I think he would be totally clueless when it came to trying to break down a team that is set up to stop us. He's never had to do that in his career, he thrives on playing spoiling football against bigger and better teams. It would just be a cmplete disaster.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:14:26 AM
He couldn't get West Ham automatic promotion when they had a seriously good squad for the championship. He was a bobby zamora goal from falling off the merry go round.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: sugoinufc on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:18:03 AM
Allardyce, Bruce and Pardew - hilarious!

Go for Shearer or 1 from abroad.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:19:04 AM
However you slice it he's not a good manager. Having teams not quite get relegated really shouldn't be enough to get you the England job.

Not to mention the appalling style of football he plays and the fact players who spend their week with Mourinho and Wenger will absolutely hate him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:29:47 AM
It's so depressing watching absolute idiots in charge of your teams make blatantly mental decisions, pretty much perpetually. Sam Allardyce is such an obviously bad appointment that, I thought, even someone with less than a passing interest in the game wouldn't give thought to it. But here's the FA - in charge of overseeing every aspect of football in England - interviewing him for the biggest job in the country. It's mindblowing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufc4eva on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:48:25 AM
I want him to stay at the scum because he truly is a mediocre manager that won't take them very far but will be there just long enough for us to rise
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gorilla on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:20:03 AM
I want him to stay at the scum because he truly is a mediocre manager that won't take them very far but will be there just long enough for us to rise
If he stays there they'll become a stable upper mid table club and have the odd season where they finish higher.  It's basically what he's done wherever he has been irrespective of the size of the club.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: themanupstairs on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:27:34 AM
Team England :lol: Laughing stock in every way. Absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:46:58 AM
I want him to stay at the scum because he truly is a mediocre manager that won't take them very far but will be there just long enough for us to rise
If he stays there they'll become a stable upper mid table club and have the odd season where they finish higher.  It's basically what he's done wherever he has been irrespective of the size of the club.

When was the last time one of his teams finished "upper mid-table" or higher?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 12:36:44 PM
The only possible reason I can think of for appointing Allardyce is that cup football is different to league format, hence a defensive team can conceivably win a major international tournament like Greece and Portugal. That would be to ignore factors like Greece isn't likely to happen again in a hurry, and Portugal play with much more precision when in possession than any Fat sam team ever has.

I've heard justification based on Leicester winning the league as well, but that would be more comparable if Leicester won it under Nigel Pearson. Leicester didn't play hoofball under Ranieri.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 12:36:55 PM
If he got the England job would he have to quit the sunderland position? Seems like he can't get out of there fast enough.
Not if you are playing FIFA16 or something. But of course you can't do both a club job the England one at the same time in real life. It's a little unlike him to not have signed anyone yet, that to me would be a clear signal that he at least thinks he's on his way.

As an Englishman that would be a truly dreadful appointment, still if Roy Hodgson and Steve McClaren  can be England managers why not this complete tool ? Really the choices they've seemed to have limited themselves to because of a stupid little ingerland mentality are shocking. just offer Wenger a stack of cash, it's simple really, you want to do well in world class tournaments then hire a world class manager not a used car salesman, or whatever vocation in life these English candidates missed.

It's not necessarily a little England mentality, I think we should go for an English manager fully aware that the options are bad. Not because I think 'we tried foreign and it doesnt work' like old Ian said, I just prefer national teams to have managers from their own countries.

Just wish they'd take a punt on someone unusual rather than a below average dullard. Give it to an ex-player or something.   International football is weird, who'd have though Chris Coleman would take a small nation to a semi final? Normal rules don't always apply.
See that could work if they acknowledge the structural issues in the game and look to address them through an overhaul of the entire coaching and development philosophy in the country. Then give Howe the job and accept that we might not qualify for the next world cup but stick to the plan. Howe turns out to be s***? Change the manager by which time they'll likely be another candidate who knows the system and so on but you stick with the overall philosophy.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Altamullan on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 12:47:58 PM
Tbf to HH,  I do think he has adapted his teams' playing style to make the best use of the squad's strengths. Obviously no place to hide with England, but also a squad with considerable strengths which Woy clearly didn't select for or adapt his formation to. Always pisses me off when it seems managers give too much weight to their preferred formation, irrespective of whatever advantage their current crop of players could provide; I see SMc as having been guilty of this.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufcjb on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:28:31 PM
Omfg. Can't believe the FA are going through with this. Big Fat Sam as England manager. And pinching him of almost relegated mackems. Ffs.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jollof rice and pea on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:32:59 PM
Ferguson has absolutely stitched them up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:36:54 PM
Ferguson has absolutely stitched them up.

???
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:38:40 PM
They tried to discuss his credentials on bbc sport  :lol:

 'he's english'
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: firetotheworks on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:38:46 PM
At least I can go back to actively hating England as consolation. The squad has been quite likeable for a few years now which has made it slightly annoying when they've failed. Watching England fail under Allardyce will at least be a bit funny.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:42:27 PM
I just think it's going to be hilarious to watch, no idea what Sam is going to do. The players will absolutely hate him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:46:59 PM
He had great difficulty setting West Ham up offensively against teams when they were down in the Championship, that'll bode well for the qualifiers where every other team will set up like that against England.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:49:34 PM
I think it's just going to be boring tbh, we'll qualify and then go out in the last 16, only this time there'll be no optimism whatsoever.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: jollof rice and pea on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:50:59 PM
Ferguson has absolutely stitched them up.

???
Definitely influenced Gill into putting his mate at the front of the queue, this is like Moyes all over again.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 01:52:38 PM
I just think it's going to be hilarious to watch, no idea what Sam is going to do. The players will absolutely hate him.

This is it for me. The players will be disgusted by him. This won't be the standard try hards he usually signs.

Imagine leaving your club where you have been working with the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho, Wenger, Conte, Klopp, Pochettino, Koeman etc. only to come and start listening to Fat Sam Allardyce scream at you during brief intervals between his gum chewing.

It's going to be a massive disaster.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 02:19:39 PM
He had great difficulty setting West Ham up offensively against teams when they were down in the Championship, that'll bode well for the qualifiers where every other team will set up like that against England.

I think the FA will be banking on us muddling through the qualifiers then hoping we can stonewall our way through tournaments through sheer defensive bloody mindedness and good long throw ins and set pieces. It worked for Iceland until they got thrashed by France.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 03:14:59 PM
https://community.thefa.com/england_dna/p/play

This is going to need some significant editing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 03:33:23 PM
Just watched the SSN montage of his career, Christ the man is pitiful.

Those quotes about needing a foreign name to get the England job. No wonder that fat t*** is idolised on Queerside.

As far as I can tell Wenger, Benitez and Mourinho have all complained about his footballing ethos. The man is a dinosaur who is taking us all back to the stone age.

What are the FA thinking?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 03:34:32 PM
On the other hand, he's dragging the Mackems down with him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 03:34:40 PM
I just think it's going to be hilarious to watch, no idea what Sam is going to do. The players will absolutely hate him.

This is it for me. The players will be disgusted by him. This won't be the standard try hards he usually signs.

Imagine leaving your club where you have been working with the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho, Wenger, Conte, Klopp, Pochettino, Koeman etc. only to come and start listening to Fat Sam Allardyce scream at you during brief intervals between his gum chewing.

It's going to be a massive disaster.

:lol: Is it really down to Allardyce and Steve Bruce?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 04:25:27 PM
Another funny thing about Allardyce, he's got no track record of developing young top-quality talent yet the FA want him for a team with the likes of Delle Ali, Kane, Barkley, Rashford and whoever else.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufcjb on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 04:43:09 PM
The FA deserve every disaster that will fall on them after this if they go ahead with fat Sam. Putting my money on another even more embarrassing defeat than the Iceland one under him.

Don't know how any fan could get excited about Sam Allardyce as England manager let alone any player. Except for that clown Chris Sutton.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 04:46:31 PM
I just think it's going to be hilarious to watch, no idea what Sam is going to do. The players will absolutely hate him.

This is it for me. The players will be disgusted by him. This won't be the standard try hards he usually signs.

Imagine leaving your club where you have been working with the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho, Wenger, Conte, Klopp, Pochettino, Koeman etc. only to come and start listening to Fat Sam Allardyce scream at you during brief intervals between his gum chewing.

It's going to be a massive disaster.

:lol: Is it really down to Allardyce and Steve Bruce?

Apparently it looks as though Allardyce is odds on. It's an absolutely shocking development.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 04:53:32 PM
I wonder if he'll be ditching Vardy and Kane for someone like Carroll? I know he started raving about Defoe once he'd saved his fat arse from the fire, but he benched him to start with and was quite critical of his all round play. When the heat is on, managers like this tend to revert to type.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:05:07 PM
Imagine going from being coached by Guardiola, Klopp etc. to that fat mess. Criminal that this is happening.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Minhosa on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:05:47 PM
Imagine going from being coached by Guardiola, Klopp etc. to that fat mess. Criminal that this is happening.

Totally agree.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:08:30 PM
Poor Schteve has had his FC Twente trophy stolen!

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160713/c5b5e79292f2f18ddcc7d89c8d17feee.jpg)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Minhosa on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:09:25 PM
This oaf will struggle like f*** when the media turn on him btw.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:11:21 PM
Tbf the FA are just giving the media what they want, then when it goes tits-up the same media will go after the FA again.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:13:54 PM
:lol: Like...why? How is Sam the go to guy here? Are England planning to play Newcastle?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:15:49 PM
He's english man! What more do you want!?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:16:06 PM
:lol: Like...why? How is Sam the go to guy here? Are England planning to play Newcastle?

They don't want to be relegated from the qualification group. Sensible approach.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ste on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:17:06 PM
2016 man. f***ing hell.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toontownman on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:24:08 PM
A New England manager for a New England.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:24:58 PM
This oaf will struggle like f*** when the media turn on him btw.

Do I sense stress induced heart problems coming on. :mung:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: lovejoy on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:28:53 PM
Poor Schteve has had his FC Twente trophy stolen!

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160713/c5b5e79292f2f18ddcc7d89c8d17feee.jpg)

He hadn't won it when they appointed him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:29:39 PM
This oaf will struggle like f*** when the media turn on him btw.

Do I sense stress induced heart problems coming on. :mung:

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:30:43 PM
Poor Schteve has had his FC Twente trophy stolen!

(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160713/c5b5e79292f2f18ddcc7d89c8d17feee.jpg)

He hadn't won it when they appointed him.

Clever b******! Ha ha!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:43:20 PM
How long until the media hound him out?

I give it 12 months.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SUPERTOON on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:48:11 PM
What 8 league titles did Hodgson win?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:53:22 PM
Most of them in Sweden in the 80s.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Greg on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 05:56:29 PM
What 8 league titles did Hodgson win?

Seven Swedish league titles and one Danish.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 06:47:44 PM
How long until the media hound him out?

I give it 12 months.

He'll at least get the World Cup, imo.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SiLvOR on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 06:52:14 PM
:lol: In what f***ing bizarre world is Sam Allardyce a contender, nay, front runner for the England job?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 06:56:38 PM
Can Sunderland report the FA to the Premier League for tapping up?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufcjb on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 07:08:24 PM
How long until the media hound him out?

I give it 12 months.

He'll at least get the World Cup, imo.
Nah, don't think it'll be as easy as on paper. What guarantees do you have that Sam f***ing Allardyce could lead a team to the World Cup?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 07:10:43 PM
How long until the media hound him out?

I give it 12 months.

He'll at least get the World Cup, imo.
Nah, don't think it'll be as easy as on paper. What guarantees do you have that Sam f***ing Allardyce could lead a team to the World Cup?

:lol: I don't know what your qualification run looks like but isn't it a lock that you're at least the second best team in your group?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sima on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 07:11:39 PM
I wouldn't even say that it is a formality that England will qualify.  Might see what odds I can get.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 07:13:38 PM
Scotland and Slovakia are our biggest threats...
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: newsted on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 07:20:26 PM
Can Sunderland report the FA to the Premier League for tapping up?

They gave permission.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ikri on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 07:47:52 PM
How long until the media hound him out?

I give it 12 months.

He'll at least get the World Cup, imo.
Nah, don't think it'll be as easy as on paper. What guarantees do you have that Sam f***ing Allardyce could lead a team to the World Cup?

Are you even certain the FA want England to qualify?  The 2018 World Cup could be a disaster if the "fans" clash again, failure to qualify could be a blessing in disguise.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 08:09:43 PM
How long until the media hound him out?

I give it 12 months.

He'll at least get the World Cup, imo.
Nah, don't think it'll be as easy as on paper. What guarantees do you have that Sam f***ing Allardyce could lead a team to the World Cup?

Are you even certain the FA want England to qualify?  The 2018 World Cup could be a disaster if the "fans" clash again, failure to qualify could be a blessing in disguise.
Aye, it has the hallmarks of the episode of Father Ted episode where Ireland pick Ted and Dougal to sing their Eurovision song so they deliberately lose.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 09:13:48 PM
Scotland and Slovakia are our biggest threats...

Slovenia are honestly not too shabby these days. Not good, but against an Allardyce led England? I'd fancy Slovenia.

Just f***ing choose Howe or some other c*** like Paul Clement or even Garry Monk. Just try something else. Throw the die.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toon25 on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 09:22:34 PM
It's utterly unsinspired thinking.

Tragically, it's also unsurprising.

How the f*** can we suffer a humiliating defeat on he basis of having no plan B and then go appoint someone like this fat c*** who, also, has no plan B.

It's ridiculous. And on behalf of that fat slug, it's utterly undeserved. I hope, if he's appointed, that the media throw heaps of s*** at him. It's unspiring and lazy at best, feckless and cowardly at worst.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 09:25:25 PM
Sam Allardyce as National team manager, Boris Johnson as Foreign minster,  what's your country coming to :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: newsted on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 09:40:13 PM
Scotland and Slovakia are our biggest threats...

Slovenia are honestly not too shabby these days. Not good, but against an Allardyce led England? I'd fancy Slovenia.

Just f***ing choose Howe or some other c*** like Paul Clement or even Garry Monk. Just try something else. Throw the die.

Decent use. :thup:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Scoot on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 09:54:05 PM
Wonder what timescale is on this? Hope it runs into august.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:09:31 PM
Please hire fat sham, it will be brilliant.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LFEE on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 10:13:34 PM
Wonder what timescale is on this? Hope it runs into august.

Luke Edwards reckoned 2-3wks.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: bigfella on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:22:03 PM
Listening to the two cockney knackers on Talksport now (I know,  I know) talking about fat sham.  They've had two makem t***s on in a row.

It's fuckin comedy gold.

They are fuckin *devastated* at him possibly leaving.

Made my mind up.

Big Sam for England!

 :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Scoot on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:23:15 PM
Wonder what timescale is on this? Hope it runs into august.

Luke Edwards reckoned 2-3wks.

Champion!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:23:41 PM
:lol: It's a tightrope walk here, now. He'll probably be s***, but I hope he's not so s*** that it puts you off hiring Pardew after him.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:28:40 PM
I know this won't be popular but if you are going English, Harry Redknapp should even be way ahead of Sam.

At least Harry showed he can get performance out of top players at Spurs, which he did both in the league, and in the Champions League.

Genuinely don't understand why they are so adverse to Redknapp, but then look at Sam and Bruce. I think it's ridiculous.

Redknapp would do well with England IMO.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LFEE on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:31:23 PM
Redknapp's problems have mainly been of the non-footballing variety.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:31:42 PM
Redknapp's as bent as a Samurai sword, gets teams relegated and is even older than Hodgson. Get lost, man.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Si on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:32:40 PM
Redknapp's problems have mainly been of the non-footballing variety.
Plane windows don't wind down so at least they wouldn't be able to interview him pulling into Russia.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:32:48 PM
Redknapp's as bent as a Samurai sword, gets teams relegated and is even older than Hodgson. Get lost, man.

He would still be a better bet than Allardyce. No doubt about it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 13 July 2016, 11:35:24 PM
Neither of them should be on a shortlist of 100 candidates.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 14 July 2016, 12:00:06 AM
Samurai swords are quite straight aren't they? Gently curved at best.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: newsted on Thursday 14 July 2016, 12:37:51 AM
Samurai swords are quite straight aren't they? Gently curved at best.

Niche. They should be kept very sharp :shifty:. I know nothing of these matters.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ikon on Thursday 14 July 2016, 05:47:13 AM
You're correct the both of you. I used to be a serious ninja in the 90's and also learnt alot from the samurais when i was living in Osaka.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:01:05 AM
Sam Allardyce as National team manager, Boris Johnson as Foreign minster,  what's your country coming to :lol:

If you swapped those two round I'm not sure you'd notice much difference.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:13:50 AM
Redknapp's as bent as a Samurai sword, gets teams relegated and is even older than Hodgson. Get lost, man.

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: xLiaaamx on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:22:23 AM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:52:48 AM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

Cutlass.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Conjo on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:53:05 AM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

That's a saber you f***ing moron.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LiquidAK on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:57:52 AM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

That's a saber you f***ing moron.

Cutlass tbh.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: thomas on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:58:49 AM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

Cutlass.
see also Scimitar and Kilij
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Pilko on Thursday 14 July 2016, 12:01:08 PM
People laughing at Allardyce as a choice, then advocating Redknapp in the same f***ing breath :lol:

"Put that box of pills down and drink some bleach instead!"
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mattoon on Thursday 14 July 2016, 01:01:41 PM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

Cutlass.
see also Scimitar and Kilij

Can we not just say scythe and put it to bed?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: neesy111 on Thursday 14 July 2016, 01:05:54 PM
People laughing at Allardyce as a choice, then advocating Redknapp in the same f***ing breath :lol:

"Put that box of pills down and drink some bleach instead!"

Redknapp out the 2 would be the better manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Incognito on Thursday 14 July 2016, 01:27:53 PM
Here's some pointless trivia:

If Sham Asdaprice becomes England manager, then all 4 home nations will be being managed by someone who either played for or managed Coventry City.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: reefatoon on Thursday 14 July 2016, 01:37:00 PM
That trivia is up there with an Allardyce training session.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Conjo on Thursday 14 July 2016, 01:52:27 PM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

That's a saber you f***ing moron.

Cutlass tbh.

Cutlass is shorter and only has slight curve at the end.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: thomas on Thursday 14 July 2016, 01:59:36 PM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

Cutlass.
see also Scimitar and Kilij

Can we not just say scythe and put it to bed?
Come on. You know better than that. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Nattfare on Thursday 14 July 2016, 02:27:24 PM
Let's call it a rapier then.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Thursday 14 July 2016, 02:28:39 PM
Let's call it a rapier then.
:pardsgrin:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Thursday 14 July 2016, 02:43:47 PM
That trivia is up there with an Allardyce training session.

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Thursday 14 July 2016, 03:44:19 PM
To be fair, Redknapp has won the FA cup, League cup and has managed a good spurs side in the champions league.

Allardyce is know where near him, in terms of achievements.

Edit. Just realised it was Ramos not Redknapp for the league cup.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ponsaelius on Thursday 14 July 2016, 03:49:17 PM
He hasn't won the League Cup.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Thursday 14 July 2016, 03:49:53 PM
Aye, corrected.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gorilla on Thursday 14 July 2016, 06:24:14 PM
Something wrong with my eyesight as I keep reading the thread title as

Rapists : FA to interview Sam Allardyce over vacant England manager role
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Thursday 14 July 2016, 06:27:20 PM
Pirate Swords were curved, I believe :lol:

That's a saber you f***ing moron.

Cutlass tbh.

Cutlass is shorter and only has slight curve at the end.

A cutlass is a kind of a sabre though, and the most commonly used sword amongst buccaneers.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Altamullan on Thursday 14 July 2016, 08:48:46 PM
"Ooooh Arrrr me hearties! Redknapp's as bent as the cabin boy aboard the good ship Venus!"
... though don't think he had a cutlass, more cutass, and jotenko-sized dagger:

🗡
Obscure lyrics alert:
https://play.google.com/music/preview/Txdptjtazhhaahyr7mv2xzyoyma?lyrics=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=lyrics&pcampaignid=kp-lyrics

[edit: slightly worried I may have upset Graeme Le Saux...]
[re-edit, no I can confirm that Le Saux isn't Flipper the cabin boy; no online bullying here chaps. Flipper was just a figment of some sick Sex Pistols' imagination.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Slim on Thursday 14 July 2016, 11:53:12 PM
My mate is gutted he is leaving...Imagine being gutted he is leaving your club.
They are like a bloke that gets a lass and falls in love right away because they are f***ing horrid.  Only for her to f*** them off after 2 weeks
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Sunday 17 July 2016, 01:48:41 PM
Your mate might be gutted but I don't think Fat Sam is. He seems to be the only manager in England who wants the job despite returning home to a hero's welcome on wearside. f*** me, he can't wait to be out of that cess pit.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Nobody on Sunday 17 July 2016, 01:51:50 PM
Has to be terrible for their pre season preparation this. Only need to look at us last season to see how important pre season is and what can happen if you f*** it up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ketsbaia on Sunday 17 July 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Hope the FA takes a bit longer :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toontownman on Sunday 17 July 2016, 05:35:08 PM
Have they actually interviewed anyone else yet? Other than Arry bumping into someone and forcing them to pay for his lunch and calling it an interview.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Scoot on Sunday 17 July 2016, 05:44:20 PM
Has to be terrible for their pre season preparation this. Only need to look at us last season to see how important pre season is and what can happen if you f*** it up.

It's horrific for their pre-season. Nobody knows what is happening and even the work they are doing now, if they get a new manager he's probably going to play a different way so all this preperaion will be for nowt. Plus they aren't signing anyone.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Odear on Sunday 17 July 2016, 06:05:28 PM
Really grim for supporting your country though isn't it.. like how the f*** can you get behind him? Or Pardew for that matter.. mind you, there has pretty much always been some sort of con man (of the British ones) in the job ever since Sir Bobby. (and Keegan had the decency to admit he wasn't up to it)

Sven and Capello came for the big wages but could do nothing with the limited talent.

But think of it.. Woy, Shteve, Terry Stringfellow, Mystic Twoddle. Collectively how much wages were spent on that lot? It's mad really how such fuckwits can make a really good living in this game.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toon25 on Sunday 17 July 2016, 08:19:37 PM
I absolutely still cannot understand the logic in appointing this c***.

I'm sorry like, I'd struggle to get behind one of his teams, English or not.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: reefatoon on Sunday 17 July 2016, 08:25:12 PM
There is no way I will be sitting through England games with this horrific c*** in charge. It was this talentless b****** that made me jack my season ticket in. Just awful unwatchable hoofball s***. Going to be a car crash.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: astraguy on Sunday 17 July 2016, 08:34:23 PM
Next competition England need to qualify for is the Russia World cup right? Might check the odds for us not
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: triggs on Sunday 17 July 2016, 08:36:52 PM
Next competition England need to qualify for is the Russia World cup right? Might check the odds for us not
Nah Euro 2020 qualification is on first iirc
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Sunday 17 July 2016, 08:38:36 PM
Absolutely lifting appointment if it happens. Probably worse than Taylor getting the job in 1990, at least Taylor had achieved a modicum of success before accepting it. This will set the national team back at least 15 years if land-whale gets it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Sunday 17 July 2016, 08:43:29 PM
Is there a chance that big Sam will bring in a couple of forward thinking coaches that take care of setting the team up and he will just be the figure head in charge of bringing the team together and creating some sort of national pride and team spirit ?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: midds on Sunday 17 July 2016, 08:49:50 PM
Nah, the f***er will dust off his copy of Charlie Hughes' coaching manual and his percentage s****. Portugal and Greece have both won a major championship by grinding results out and it'll be the same for England. Might even work but it won't be pretty.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 17 July 2016, 09:16:26 PM
Is there a chance that big Sam will bring in a couple of forward thinking coaches that take care of setting the team up and he will just be the figure head in charge of bringing the team together and creating some sort of national pride and team spirit ?

Of course not, he won't be able to admit he needs anything like that.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: ikri on Sunday 17 July 2016, 10:27:37 PM
Is there a chance that big Sam will bring in a couple of forward thinking coaches that take care of setting the team up and he will just be the figure head in charge of bringing the team together and creating some sort of national pride and team spirit ?

Far bigger chance that he'll see it as a vindication of his management style and double down on his s*** tactics
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toon25 on Sunday 17 July 2016, 10:34:05 PM
I just don't know on what planet Sam f***ing Allardyce will create even a modicum of national pride. Think about some of the stuff Rafa has done since his appointment; he's brought supporters together again. Is this whale capable of doing that? Is he f***.

He's a vile fat c*** who is notorious for playing s*** football. Baffling as to why the FA won't move with the times. I'll be mightily disappointed too if there isn't a major backlash after this shenanigans if he is appointed. It shouldn't be tolerated.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Gorilla on Sunday 17 July 2016, 10:40:20 PM
His approach wont work at international level. Its all about fitness and drilling their job into them. It always takes a little time for his sides to start playing well because he needs to spend time on the training ground woth them. He will probably.get.it but it wont work. He could however probably be appointed manager of Burnley tomorrow and if he stayed there 10 years they would be in the Premier League for 10 years. If we had never sacked him we would have hovered between 7th and 12th all this time. We would have had the odd season we finish higher and the odd season we finish lower.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mick on Sunday 17 July 2016, 10:46:03 PM
I hope this drags onto transfer deadline day and then he pisses off.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Si on Monday 18 July 2016, 08:16:08 AM
Is there a chance that big Sam will bring in a couple of forward thinking coaches that take care of setting the team up and he will just be the figure head in charge of bringing the team together and creating some sort of national pride and team spirit ?
He's not gonna take the job just to be a fat cheerleader.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Conjo on Monday 18 July 2016, 09:37:43 AM
I hope this drags onto transfer deadline day and then he pisses off.

Wouldn't be surprised if he dragged it out himself for that very reason. He loves when clubs do worse after he leaves so he can gloat about it in the media.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 18 July 2016, 09:52:08 AM
His approach wont work at international level. Its all about fitness and drilling their job into them. It always takes a little time for his sides to start playing well because he needs to spend time on the training ground woth them. He will probably.get.it but it wont work. He could however probably be appointed manager of Burnley tomorrow and if he stayed there 10 years they would be in the Premier League for 10 years. If we had never sacked him we would have hovered between 7th and 12th all this time. We would have had the odd season we finish higher and the odd season we finish lower.

I think we would have been relegated if we'd kept him TBH.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Lush Vlad on Monday 18 July 2016, 10:59:56 AM
I think I will actively want England to lose if Allardyce gets the job.  It's not just because of how s*** he was for us or the sunderland connection.  I just cannot stand the fact we are probably going to appoint such a prehistoric, limited manager.  Who is an absolute c***, to boot. 

I'd feel the same if it was someone like Steve Bruce.  TBH, most English managers are uninspiring options and just proven to be bang average/s***.  Only one I could get behind would be someone like Howe or a likeable ex-player. 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Monday 18 July 2016, 11:15:01 AM
http://www.football365.com/news/we-all-need-to-swallow-the-allardyce-pill

Love how much John Nicholson hates him. :lol:

This on the other hand is obscene: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/17/england-next-football-manager-sam-allardyce-football-association-fa

Quote
It is far too easy to sneer at Bruce for only managing at Hull, when the more difficult question to answer is why he has never been offered a chance at Manchester United.

Imagine genuinely believing that and not being institutionalised.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sima on Monday 18 July 2016, 11:22:23 AM
What in the holy f***?

Steve Bruce as manager of Manchester United :lol:

Quote
Note too how Sir Alex Ferguson rarely misses a chance to rate Allardyce highly when the England job is under discussion, though was much more reticent about advancing his cause as a potential successor at Old Trafford.

Couldn't be because Ferguson is Scottish or owt and it wouldn't set England back a dozen years if that troglodyte were to be manager and he actually cares for Man Utd.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Lush Vlad on Monday 18 July 2016, 11:29:29 AM
http://www.football365.com/news/we-all-need-to-swallow-the-allardyce-pill

Love how much John Nicholson hates him. :lol:

This on the other hand is obscene: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/17/england-next-football-manager-sam-allardyce-football-association-fa

Quote
It is far too easy to sneer at Bruce for only managing at Hull, when the more difficult question to answer is why he has never been offered a chance at Manchester United.

Imagine genuinely believing that and not being institutionalised.

Quote
As Sarah said last week, let’s have The Full Big Sam. Bring it on, in all it’s lumpy, gravy-stained, blood pudding fashion.

 :spit:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Monday 18 July 2016, 11:34:18 AM
His approach wont work at international level. Its all about fitness and drilling their job into them. It always takes a little time for his sides to start playing well because he needs to spend time on the training ground woth them. He will probably.get.it but it wont work. He could however probably be appointed manager of Burnley tomorrow and if he stayed there 10 years they would be in the Premier League for 10 years. If we had never sacked him we would have hovered between 7th and 12th all this time. We would have had the odd season we finish higher and the odd season we finish lower.

He'd have been relegated last season if Charnley hadn't appointed Steve f***ing McClaren and kept him in the manager's chair just long enough to save Sam's fat arse.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stifleaay on Monday 18 July 2016, 12:40:56 PM
I'm not sure where this 'Never relegated' talk really comes from. In his career he has only been in 2 relegation scraps. One was with Bolton where he was allowed too spend large sums of money not only to get them up but to keep them up. The other was last season and as has been pointed out, had Rafa been appointed 2 weeks beforehand then he wouldn't have kept Sunderland up despite having nearly a full season working with them and a transfer window. Aye ok so he has 'won' the two relegation scraps he's been in, but people make out as if he's been in loads of them.

As for hiring him I'm not sure why anyone does. He has shown that he can play only 1 way and he only gets results because of the law of average rule. In the mean time he assembles 1 or 2 people for every role he is responsible for. So you have a backroom team of about 20 people all doing 1 little job that he is supposed to do. They all feed information to him and he answer is always 'hit it long'. The guy literally doesn't even do anything, he's as effective as the fans are, in the mean time whichever club he is at have a large wage bill for people doing little jobs which most can be done by computer statistic programmes (which he even insists on the clubs buying and using) and existing coaching staff.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: reefatoon on Monday 18 July 2016, 12:49:18 PM
That's an awful lot of Stifler post in one sitting, will come back to it after a cuppa, a promising start though fella.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Monday 18 July 2016, 12:57:06 PM
He has been relegated anyway, at Notts County.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Monday 18 July 2016, 01:08:42 PM
http://www.football365.com/news/we-all-need-to-swallow-the-allardyce-pill

Love how much John Nicholson hates him. :lol:

This on the other hand is obscene: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/17/england-next-football-manager-sam-allardyce-football-association-fa

Quote
It is far too easy to sneer at Bruce for only managing at Hull, when the more difficult question to answer is why he has never been offered a chance at Manchester United.

Imagine genuinely believing that and not being institutionalised.

That's brilliant
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Monday 18 July 2016, 03:01:14 PM
"It is true that Klinsmann has considerable international experience both as a player and a manager with Germany, though it is also worth pointing out that the current German side peaked only once Joachim Löw took sole control."

Look at that bit man, Klinsmann was manager for about two years and set everything up, whereas Low has had a decade to reap the rewards.

Doesn't fit with the writer's agenda though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Monday 18 July 2016, 04:25:01 PM
Klinsmann is absolutely abhorrent as a manager though. Wrecked what was a promising US generation.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 18 July 2016, 04:44:05 PM
Klinsmann is absolutely abhorrent as a manager though. Wrecked what was a promising US generation.

Klinsmann > Joe Kinnear > Big Sam IMO.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kaizero on Monday 18 July 2016, 04:45:56 PM
Klinsmann is absolutely abhorrent as a manager though. Wrecked what was a promising US generation.

Klinsmann > Joe Kinnear > Big Sam IMO.

On club level, sure. But at this point in time the only fact we have regarding their international manager track record is that Klinsmann is abhorrent and everything good about Germany was down to Löw.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Monday 18 July 2016, 04:47:21 PM
"It is true that Klinsmann has considerable international experience both as a player and a manager with Germany, though it is also worth pointing out that the current German side peaked only once Joachim Löw took sole control."

Look at that bit man, Klinsmann was manager for about two years and set everything up, whereas Low has had a decade to reap the rewards.

Doesn't fit with the writer's agenda though.

:lol: I'll happily trade Klinsmann for Low. Snap your arm off at the elbow of the other f***ing arm.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Monday 18 July 2016, 04:49:35 PM
"It is true that Klinsmann has considerable international experience both as a player and a manager with Germany, though it is also worth pointing out that the current German side peaked only once Joachim Löw took sole control."

Look at that bit man, Klinsmann was manager for about two years and set everything up, whereas Low has had a decade to reap the rewards.

Doesn't fit with the writer's agenda though.

:lol: I'll happily trade Klinsmann for Low. Snap your arm off at the elbow of the other f***ing arm.

#carefulwhatyouwishfor
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Monday 18 July 2016, 04:52:43 PM
Klinsmann probably is the best name heavily talked about the for the job though. He has some serious weaknesses, but I'm sure he could do better than Big Sam, Bruce and probably Woy
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Tooj on Monday 18 July 2016, 05:14:45 PM
Klinsmann is absolutely abhorrent as a manager though. Wrecked what was a promising US generation.
That's got nothing to do with what I said about the writer's article though.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Monday 18 July 2016, 05:17:56 PM
This c*** not manager yet ?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Nate on Monday 18 July 2016, 05:24:44 PM
What an indignity it would be to have a man from our greatest footballing rivals lead our national team.

We should respect the principle that international sport is simply about representing your country, from the players to the chairman.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TK-421 on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 08:48:29 AM
Steve Bruce being interviewed today apparently, and Sam should know by the end of the week, according to reports.

So a two horse, or should that be 'donkey' race, then???

God help us, if the choice comes down to Fat Sam or Fat Steve.  :jesuswept:  :suicide:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 08:54:38 AM
What an indignity it would be to have a man from our greatest footballing rivals lead our national team.

We should respect the principle that international sport is simply about representing your country, from the players to the chairman.
It'd be worth it to see the meltdown from the brexiteer camp tbh
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:00:34 AM
Bruce or Allardyce?

The cream of football management.

Neither of these nuggets have ever achieved anything of note in the premiership, apart from one 5th place finish years ago.  They both constantly hover around 10th to 20th in the league and their brand of football is awful to watch  Football by statistics or nullifying the opposition.

They've never had a job offer from one of the top 4 teams in the premier league and no job offers from top continental teams.

Good football men tho, I suppose that's summik to work with.


If this is the best England has to choose from then we need to look at how we are coaching the new managers coming through. 
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Lush Vlad on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:01:05 AM
What an indignity it would be to have a man from our greatest footballing rivals lead our national team.

We should respect the principle that international sport is simply about representing your country, from the players to the chairman.

I think I'd prefer an English manager.  But when the only half decent candidate (Howe), doesn't seem like he's getting a look in.  I'd 100% take Jurgen, over Allardyce or Bruce! 

Shows how bad our coaching set up must be from top to bottom.  We don't really have any English managers, that fill you with confidence.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:12:57 AM
What an indignity it would be to have a man from our greatest footballing rivals lead our national team.

We should respect the principle that international sport is simply about representing your country, from the players to the chairman.

I think I'd prefer an English manager.  But when the only half decent candidate (Howe), doesn't seem like he's getting a look in.  I'd 100% take Jurgen, over Allardyce or Bruce! 

Shows how bad our coaching set up must be from top to bottom.  We don't really have any English managers, that fill you with confidence.

I like Howe but its way to early, he is just starting his career and you wouldn't want him ruined by the time he is 45.

Let him build his experience first before touching that mess.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Lush Vlad on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:26:09 AM
What an indignity it would be to have a man from our greatest footballing rivals lead our national team.

We should respect the principle that international sport is simply about representing your country, from the players to the chairman.

I think I'd prefer an English manager.  But when the only half decent candidate (Howe), doesn't seem like he's getting a look in.  I'd 100% take Jurgen, over Allardyce or Bruce! 

Shows how bad our coaching set up must be from top to bottom.  We don't really have any English managers, that fill you with confidence.

I like Howe but its way to early, he is just starting his career and you wouldn't want him ruined by the time he is 45.

Let him build his experience first before touching that mess.

Yeah, I like him.  But I said half decent.  As even though I rate him, as you say, he is young and not that experienced. 

I still think him with a more experienced coaching staff around him.  Would be a far better appointment than one of these clowns:

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Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: nufcjb on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:26:21 AM
God save Ingur-land
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:36:18 AM
Neither of these nuggets have ever achieved anything of note in the premiership, apart from one 5th place finish years ago. 

6th actually. It's very odd how it still gets talked about as proof of his genius, a 6th place finish over ten years ago, 3 points ahead of McClaren's Boro. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:40:28 AM
Neither of these nuggets have ever achieved anything of note in the premiership, apart from one 5th place finish years ago. 

6th actually. It's very odd how it still gets talked about as proof of his genius, a 6th place finish over ten years ago, 3 points ahead of McClaren's Boro. :lol:

I know, but we've all seen how Pardew clutches that manager of the year award for one 5th placed finish in his career. Good football man tho.

Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:01:23 AM
I would lol if this ruins Sunderland's pre-season and then Bruce gets the job and Sam has to stay.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Robster on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:37:14 AM
I would lol if this ruins Sunderland's pre-season and then Bruce gets the job and Sam has to stay.

 :sweetjesus:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:38:00 AM
I think it already has to a certain degree.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:43:24 AM
I think it already has to a certain degree.

Yeah of course, I just mean if Allardyce ends up staying there after all.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Leazes_End_Mag on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:48:56 AM
I think it already has to a certain degree.

Yeah of course, I just mean if Allardyce ends up staying there after all.
There'd be a full week worth of partying in Pennywell if fat sam stays.

Best possible outcome is that this drags on for another few weeks before the FA appoint a proper manager and sam has to spend the last few weeks of the window trying to convince Joseph Desire-Job to join the samalution.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: antz1uk on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:50:14 AM
If i was ellis short i would have fired his arse by now
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:51:05 AM
Apparently due to their debt they have a very limited transfer budget this season, which could be why big sam came out with his I'm getting very fustrated" remark a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mouldy_uk on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 12:21:05 PM
Steve Bruce!! Couldn't make this up, oh actually we probably are.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: 54 on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 12:29:11 PM
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Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 12:30:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnuKUMDXgAA9i_q.jpg)

HOOF IT LONG, HOOOF IT LONG !!!!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 12:30:37 PM
Bruce will end up getting this, simply because Allardyce is too much of a c***.

Hilarious either way though, the mackems plodding along with no direction all summer and no recruitment.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 12:31:33 PM
Bruce will end up getting this, simply because Allardyce is too much of a c***.

Think so too, nobody at the FA can actually like Sam after speaking to him at length.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: afar on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 01:38:45 PM
So far this is going great for us, with the FA (quite rightly) taking their time, really f***ing up the dirty Mackems preparations, could you imagine the attitude in their training camp "why bother, this guy's not going to be here much longer" and also stopping them recruit :) However from an Englishman's perspective to have these two be the front runners for the national job is a sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 01:57:43 PM
:lol: Bruce or Allardyce. It's really happening.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 01:59:38 PM
Steve Bruce, a man so scared of European football affecting his ability to manage effectively he opted out at the first opportunity and still got relegated. Couldn't make it up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Interpolic on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 02:22:39 PM
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Fat c***s
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 02:26:28 PM
If the only requirement you need to get the job is to be english, I honestly think we have some better candidates on this forum  :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: |maze| on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 02:28:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnuKUMDXgAA9i_q.jpg)

From afar it looks like it is his pants that ends just where his tie goes under his west. If you see this and look at the rest of him, especially his facial expressions... Haha!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Flip on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 02:36:36 PM
:lol: Bruce or Allardyce. It's really happening.

:lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 02:42:50 PM
It's a shame Pardew ruled himself out, we could have had the three biggest c***s of all time vying for the national job with Rod Liddle writing it up for the Sunday Times.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: sixx on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 03:05:30 PM
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If you want to know what's wrong with English football you really don't have to look no further. Those five managers share between them over 2000 games and a whopping count of two trophies. An FA Cup and a f***ing Intertoto cup. English coaching is in the dark ages and has been for a few decades now and it has to be noted as a serious problem that the last Englishman to mount a serious challenge for the Premier League was Kevin Keegan with us more than 20 years ago. Also an Englishman hasn't progressed to the Champions League final probably since Liverpool under Joe Fagan(?). Absolutely rotten to the core.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stottie on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 03:42:23 PM
Give it to some caretaker committee for 12 months and then get Wenger if he can't be convinced to join right now. Seriously this is embarrassing.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TK-421 on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 04:20:53 PM
Steve Bruce has looked like a heart attack waiting to happen for the last few years.

The pressure of the England job might just do it!!

Also, the report I heard on the Radio this morning, said Bruce would be looking to have Rio Ferdinand and Shearer as part of his team.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 04:22:17 PM
It's a shame Pardew ruled himself out, we could have had the three biggest c***s of all time vying for the national job with Rod Liddle writing it up for the Sunday Times.
I'll be honest like, between the three of them Pardew probably has the best chance of being successful due to his streaky nature. There's always a chance they could rock up to a tournament under Pardew and he hits one of his purple patches for 5-6 matches, which is all it would take.  Under the other two f***ing clowns there's basically no chance they'll do anything at all.

What a thing to have to say.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: reefatoon on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 04:23:35 PM
Steve Bruce has looked like a heart attack waiting to happen for the last few years.

The pressure of the England job might just do it!!

Also, the report I heard on the Radio this morning, said Bruce would be looking to have Rio Ferdinand and Shearer as part of his team.

Allardyce has looked that way for the last 20 years, but the b****** is still around disgracing the game.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mr Logic on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 04:38:57 PM
The FA needs a massive dose of epsom salts through their collective colons if they're seriously going with any of the three mooted.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 05:45:36 PM
Quote
Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce was defrauded out of tens of thousands of pounds by a man he described as a "smart, excellent salesman", a court was told on Tuesday.

Stephen Ackerman, 48, is accused of defrauding Allardyce and 12 other players and staff of West Ham United in December 2014.

Ackerman, of Loughton, Essex, denies 18 charges of fraud in relation to the sales of hampers of wine and champagne, which were never delivered.

The proceeds amount to a total of around £61,560 and Allardyce, who is in contention to be appointed the next England manager, is said to have lost £13, 270.

Appearing in Snaresbrook Crown Court in east London via video-link, Allardyce said: "I went and chatted away with Stephen and we talked about champagne and wine, which he said he could get.

"I said he could then deal with Anita, my PA, for the payment of those goods. Then I went off training with the lads."

Allardyce met the man on December 12 and said he was within "touching distance". The 61-year-old told the court: "He was extremely smart, very well spoken and he set his stall up exceptionally well.

"There was a very good array of good quality products for sale. A good salesman; excellent in terms of how he would sell his goods and how good the value was, and obviously they would get delivered to you at a later date."

The court was told that Allardyce purchased six bottles of Laurent Perrier rose champagne and six bottles of Sancerre wine, totalling £270, but then he became aware of unauthorised, fraudulent activity totalling £13,000 over the next few days.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 05:47:04 PM
It's a shame Pardew ruled himself out, we could have had the three biggest c***s of all time vying for the national job with Rod Liddle writing it up for the Sunday Times.
I'll be honest like, between the three of them Pardew probably has the best chance of being successful due to his streaky nature. There's always a chance they could rock up to a tournament under Pardew and he hits one of his purple patches for 5-6 matches, which is all it would take.  Under the other two f***ing clowns there's basically no chance they'll do anything at all.

What a thing to have to say.

:lol: Good Lord.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 05:48:37 PM
It's a shame Pardew ruled himself out, we could have had the three biggest c***s of all time vying for the national job with Rod Liddle writing it up for the Sunday Times.
I'll be honest like, between the three of them Pardew probably has the best chance of being successful due to his streaky nature. There's always a chance they could rock up to a tournament under Pardew and he hits one of his purple patches for 5-6 matches, which is all it would take.  Under the other two f***ing clowns there's basically no chance they'll do anything at all.

What a thing to have to say.

Good Lord.
Hate myself
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 06:06:53 PM
Quote
Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce was defrauded out of tens of thousands of pounds by a man he described as a "smart, excellent salesman", a court was told on Tuesday.

Stephen Ackerman, 48, is accused of defrauding Allardyce and 12 other players and staff of West Ham United in December 2014.

Ackerman, of Loughton, Essex, denies 18 charges of fraud in relation to the sales of hampers of wine and champagne, which were never delivered.

The proceeds amount to a total of around £61,560 and Allardyce, who is in contention to be appointed the next England manager, is said to have lost £13, 270.

Appearing in Snaresbrook Crown Court in east London via video-link, Allardyce said: "I went and chatted away with Stephen and we talked about champagne and wine, which he said he could get.

"I said he could then deal with Anita, my PA, for the payment of those goods. Then I went off training with the lads."

Allardyce met the man on December 12 and said he was within "touching distance". The 61-year-old told the court: "He was extremely smart, very well spoken and he set his stall up exceptionally well.

"There was a very good array of good quality products for sale. A good salesman; excellent in terms of how he would sell his goods and how good the value was, and obviously they would get delivered to you at a later date."

The court was told that Allardyce purchased six bottles of Laurent Perrier rose champagne and six bottles of Sancerre wine, totalling £270, but then he became aware of unauthorised, fraudulent activity totalling £13,000 over the next few days.

Didn't realise Vurn was so hard up.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 06:16:51 PM
Who does Laurent Perrier play for?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: LV on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 09:59:06 PM
Allardyce or Bruce. Jesus wept.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 10:21:40 PM
I'm creased at that those two being favourites tbh.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Stottie on Tuesday 19 July 2016, 11:48:56 PM
Quote
Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce was defrauded out of tens of thousands of pounds by a man he described as a "smart, excellent salesman", a court was told on Tuesday.

Stephen Ackerman, 48, is accused of defrauding Allardyce and 12 other players and staff of West Ham United in December 2014.

Ackerman, of Loughton, Essex, denies 18 charges of fraud in relation to the sales of hampers of wine and champagne, which were never delivered.

The proceeds amount to a total of around £61,560 and Allardyce, who is in contention to be appointed the next England manager, is said to have lost £13, 270.

Appearing in Snaresbrook Crown Court in east London via video-link, Allardyce said: "I went and chatted away with Stephen and we talked about champagne and wine, which he said he could get.

"I said he could then deal with Anita, my PA, for the payment of those goods. Then I went off training with the lads."

Allardyce met the man on December 12 and said he was within "touching distance". The 61-year-old told the court: "He was extremely smart, very well spoken and he set his stall up exceptionally well.

"There was a very good array of good quality products for sale. A good salesman; excellent in terms of how he would sell his goods and how good the value was, and obviously they would get delivered to you at a later date."

The court was told that Allardyce purchased six bottles of Laurent Perrier rose champagne and six bottles of Sancerre wine, totalling £270, but then he became aware of unauthorised, fraudulent activity totalling £13,000 over the next few days.

I hope Mr Ackerman has a house in Spain called Casa Fatsam.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Sir Toon on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 12:09:41 AM
s**** aside, I actually think Bruce wont be as bad a shout as is being made out.   A bloke that should really have played for his country but didn't.    A bloke that will know how he imagined it would feel to play for the country will put up with nobody else disrespecting a position he didn't get the chance to have.

A bloke that won a dozen or so major honours with Man Utd. He'll command respect.    Wonder what Obese Sam will command?  (apart from boxes and boxes of hubba bubba)
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NEEJ on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 12:49:01 AM
Bruce wont command respect, like. Half the squad won't have a clue or give a s**** what he won with Man United.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 09:35:33 AM
Has any of the mainstream press or major pundits written articles explicitly saying what utterly s**** choices either candidate would be?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 10:17:53 AM
Bruce wont command respect, like. Half the squad won't have a clue or give a s**** what he won with Man United.

I'm not sure many managers can command respect when they can't even command their own waistline despite being out on the training field day after day.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: U2 on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 10:39:44 AM
Bruce wont command respect, like. Half the squad won't have a clue or give a s**** what he won with Man United.

I'm not sure many managers can command respect when they can't even command their own waistline despite being out on the training field day after day.

*cough* Rafa *cough*
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: TRon on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 11:07:01 AM
Has any of the mainstream press or major pundits written articles explicitly saying what utterly s**** choices either candidate would be?

It's the old be careful what you wish for situation. After years of trumpeting Fat Sam's virtues and how stupid we were to sack him, they must be finding it difficult to now express opposition to the same guy getting the England job. What's more noticeable is that there have been very few articles showing any enthusiasm for the appointment. He's getting the job by default basically. No one half decent wants it.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mozy on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 12:33:36 PM
I'd rather have Allardyce than Bruce, at least Sam would ruffle the FA up a little bit. Bruce is a pathetic fat yes man.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ian W on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 12:35:03 PM
In what way would Big Sam ruffle the FA? Insist that they scrap technique training and set a 6'4" height minimum?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 03:01:53 PM
Big money on Hiddink apparently.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Figures 1-0 Football on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 03:41:56 PM
Imagine if he doesn't get it after all of this :lol: Same for Bruce too.

Sat all summer telling the press and your club that you want to leave to become England manager - then have to return only a few weeks before the season starts to start planning a team that you don't want to be at, who have had no direction or signings all summer.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: 54 on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 03:46:47 PM
I know he's Welsh but i'm surprised Hughes hasn't been mentioned, even if I wouldn't want him as England manager.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: gjohnson on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 03:56:43 PM
How is it that the FA cannot see what any self respecting football supporter can see, that Bruce and Allardyce are simply not good football managers?

Surely at least one of the decision makers must have watched either of their teams over the last few years? I can only conclude that their interviewing of these two clowns is either ultimate incompetence, or a final FU to the media and little ingerlanders that insist on a "Proper Englishman with Pashun" in charge, just to show how bad things can be.

Sadly incompetence is the more likely
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Beren on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 04:00:26 PM
How is it that the FA cannot see what any self respecting football supporter can see, that Bruce and Allardyce are simply not good football managers?

Surely at least one of the decision makers must have watched either of their teams over the last few years? I can only conclude that their interviewing of these two clowns is either ultimate incompetence, or a final FU to the media and little ingerlanders that insist on a "Proper Englishman with Pashun" in charge, just to show how bad things can be.

Sadly incompetence is the more likely

It's bonkers how out of touch they are - I don't know how it's possible to be so profoundly misguided.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 04:21:33 PM
Louise's latest "pros and cons" piece in the Guardian is another absolute hoot. :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: mozy on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 04:25:23 PM
In what way would Big Sam ruffle the FA? Insist that they scrap technique training and set a 6'4" height minimum?

He'd insist on doing everything his way. Whereas Bruce comes across as totally spineless.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 04:33:30 PM
I see the FA chief said they don't want a "short term mercenary". Is that just another way of saying they don't want a forrin? :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:25:17 PM
Evening Standard saying Fat Head's got the job and the mackems are in advanced talks with Moyes. Pretty disastrous all round if that's true.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: geordiedean on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:26:57 PM
Only gives new manager 6 weeks to assess squad and identify new players with the loan lads gone back these could be in the s*** for a xhange
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Marmoset on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:29:38 PM
Shame if true because I like moyes and would have liked to have seen him do well next job somewhere.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Ameritoon on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:47:54 PM
Took some joy in Sam leaving, Moyes would be a good hire though. Still they have a lot of work to do with that squad.

Just to repeat it for the thousandth time, the FA hiring him is just a new level of ineptitude. There's some talent coming through too, can't believe they're going to be matched with archaic football. What a shitshow.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toontownman on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:48:06 PM
Pray for the mystery box...

All signs point to Fat Sam. It is comically similar to our own Manager woes and England fans will go through the same motions we did with McClaren.. Well at least he is the best English coach out there, we have tried big name managers and they didn't work etc. could be worse...

Really disappointed the F.A. are so hell bent on an English coach considering the weakness of the talent pool.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: cp40 on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:50:02 PM
why are they interviewing Bruce, if everyones sure its SA?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:53:39 PM
Just to really rub in their incompetence.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: toontownman on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:56:16 PM
why are they interviewing Bruce, if everyones sure its SA?

They had to be seen interviewing more than one candidate. Maybe they wanted to as well. Either way the quotes today about the man they want all fits what SA thinks and tells people he is all about.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 05:59:45 PM
Allardyce man, have they not watched his teams play ffs. Probably interviewing Bruce to make him appear competent.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: STM on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:04:30 PM
Inside FA board room:

"Christ we aren't hiring him are we? He's like a footballing dinosaur. Let's see what the next applicant is like. Ah hello Mr Bruce...."

"Let's just stick with the first guy."
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kanji on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:07:25 PM
England would have been better off hiring Moyes. Sunderland get the better end of this IMO.  Or are England only hiring pure-on English?
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:08:07 PM
This is gonna be funny
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Elliottman on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:10:48 PM
Appointed in next 24 hours according to ssn
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:12:38 PM
Appointed in next 24 hours according to ssn

Readytogo should be fun tonight
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:12:45 PM
England would have been better off hiring Moyes. Sunderland get the better end of this IMO.  Or are England only hiring pure-on English?
A lot of the English public think this is a good decision. Got Bolton to 8th or something f***ing donkeys ago and is a no nonesense bloke, he'll sort 'em out, or something.

The FA are no different, their footballing knowlege is incredibly narrow for an organisation tasked with running the sport for an actual country.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: UncleBingo on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:13:42 PM
Horrific decision from The FA, plus the Mackems get a manager upgrade in Moyes.

Totally s**** all round really.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Bossman on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:14:08 PM
Steve Bruce in Wallsend buffs, says to put ya money on Allardyce.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:15:42 PM
Moyes is a good, but he didn't transform Everton overnight.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:17:11 PM
I still think he's the only real choice for it
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: NUFCDoog on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:20:31 PM
Aye I dont see Moyes as too much of an improvement - thing is with Allardyce - he would have grinded out enough results next season to keep them in the Prem - Moyes nearly got a much better Everton side than the current Sunderland side relegated, so I actually see them struggling more in the short term with him than they would with Allardyce - if they dont get relegated next season then there's a chance he could be a sucess
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:23:27 PM
What a f***ing embarrassment, I can't believe it. Sam Allardyce. :lol:

A victory for PFMs everywhere.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: SiLvOR on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:26:04 PM
Is this actually happening? :lol:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Kimbo on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:26:09 PM
Just goes to show, things can always get worse.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Scoot on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:26:11 PM
RTG in meltdown tonight hahaha!!!
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:30:12 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: f***ing hell the FA are a joke.
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Teasy on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:33:13 PM
Mark Noble "Allardyce has never been relegated, so that shows he knows how to get a team winning"

:dowie:
Title: Re: Sam Allardyce confirmed as England manager
Post by: Scoot on Wednesday 20 July 2016, 06:34:10 PM