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Title: Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 13 July 2009, 11:49:08 PM
So the 12th celebrations have once again delivered violence in Northern Ireland...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8148955.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8148955.stm)

My question is, how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican whatever you want to call them, areas? Now some of you might be horrified and jump on me with "they have a right to march where ever they want", but im sorry, that is absolute bollocks. It beggars belief that they are allowed to march through these areas when it guarantees trouble. A shot was fired today ffs, that could have killed someone and it could have been completely prevented. The Orange Order should stick to safe zones and Unionist areas where their marches will pass peacefully and where they will even be welcomed, instead of coming into Republican areas that will only end in violence , simple as that really.

Now some might argue that people still shouldn't riot, and I would agree that they shouldn't but there is a lot of history here and there always will be trouble, there isn't anything you can do about that, not in the foreseeable future.

I would love to hear some supporters of the Orange Order on here try and defend these acts that guarantee violence. If they stayed out of Republican areas then all this could have been avoided:

Quote
Ardoyne
Shots fired at police
14 baton rounds fired
Water cannon deployed
Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown
Two officers injured
Van pushed at police lines
Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble
Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

Londonderry
Minor trouble at return city centre parade
Missiles thrown
Trouble in Butcher's Gate
One police officer injured

Armagh
Device explodes on Friary Road
Petrol bombs thrown
Two cars stolen and set on fire
Four people arrested

Rasharkin
Stones, petrol bombs thrown
Three police hurt
One arrested

Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: LesPaul on Monday 13 July 2009, 11:52:35 PM


My question is, how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican whatever you want to call them, areas? Now some of you might be horrified and jump on me with "they have a right to march where ever they want", but im sorry, that is absolute bollocks. It beggars believe that they are allowed to march through these areas when it guarantees trouble. A shot was fired today ffs, that could have killed someone and it could have been completely prevented. The Orange Order should stick to safe zones and Unionist areas, instead of coming into Republican areas that will only end in violence , simple as that really.

Now some might argue that people still shouldn't riot, and I would agree that they shouldn't but there is a lot of history here and there always will be trouble, there isn't anything you can do about that, not in the foreseeable future.

I would love to here some supporters of the Orange Order on here try and defend these acts that guarantee violence. If they stayed out of Republican areas then all this could have been avoided:

Quote
Ardoyne
Shots fired at police
14 baton rounds fired
Water cannon deployed
Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown
Two officers injured
Van pushed at police lines
Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble
Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

Londonderry
Minor trouble at return city centre parade
Missiles thrown
Trouble in Butcher's Gate
One police officer injured

Armagh
Device explodes on Friary Road
Petrol bombs thrown
Two cars stolen and set on fire
Four people arrested

Rasharkin
Stones, petrol bombs thrown
Three police hurt
One arrested


I agree with you 100%
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Stu on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:00:26 AM
dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:05:59 AM
dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..?

Good idea. Could start that with this thread. Ill just edit the title etc when other things happen. The last good debate on Northern Ireland was here really:

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,60811.msg1744543.html#msg1744543

There have been 1 or 2 since but they arnt worth reading.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:08:28 AM
dexter, is it possible to have a general Norn Iron thread for these things? think there should be a thread for all the different things that happen so those of us that don't live there can see the catalogue of problems and issues build up during these 'peaceful' times. also, it might help to educate a few people who don't understand "the troubles" but can have a read through of the overall thread..?

Good idea. Could start that with this thread. Ill just edit the title etc when other things happen.
You could have it merged with the thread about what happened earlier in the year aswell. With the two soldiers
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:11:39 AM
I'm Irish myself, my mother is from Roscommon. I have not been raised on the heavily potato based diet traditionally eaten in Ireland. I have come to realise that many of the indigionous people of this region have by some form of osmosis from eating and being around  many potatoes had their brains transformed into potatoes too resulting in high levels of aggression.

One of my best mates is from Derry and is moving soon and says he is sad to leave, I can't understand it tbh, having been there a bit there's a bad atmosphere, always remember from holidays to NIre as a kid the barbed wire and police stations and general bad s***.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:16:35 AM
I'm Irish myself, my mother is from Roscommon. I have not been raised on the heavily potato based diet traditionally eaten in Ireland. I have come to realise that many of the indigionous people of this region have by some form of osmosis from eating and being around  many potatoes had their brains transformed into potatoes too resulting in high levels of aggression.

One of my best mates is from Derry and is moving soon and says he is sad to leave, I can't understand it tbh, having been there a bit there's a bad atmosphere, always remember from holidays to NIre as a kid the barbed wire and police stations and general bad s***.

Id miss this place if I left. It has a bad atmosphere and the past still very much haunts the place and everyday life here, but its home. Irish politics is one of my favourite subjects as well, couldn't be in a better place.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:19:16 AM
Tis grand and peaceful down here though :razz:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:20:51 AM
He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:21:59 AM
He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast?

Nah mate im in Newry. It is very similar to Derry, a largely nationalist community on the border. Ill be living in Belfast in September though.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:25:43 AM
Tis grand and peaceful down here though :razz:

Ever had any bad experiences with unionists/loyalists, seeing are you are from the Republic? Or are they not really bothered?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:26:49 AM
I'll tell you I had a thing for Irish girls that kept me fond enough of the place to keep visiting, but that one who wanked off a bald c*** next to me was from Newry so it has soured my admiration for them. I'll still be back but likely not for a good few years now, need to travel elsewhere.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 02:42:06 AM
I'll tell you I had a thing for Irish girls that kept me fond enough of the place to keep visiting, but that one who wanked off a bald c*** next to me was from Newry so it has soured my admiration for them. I'll still be back but likely not for a good few years now, need to travel elsewhere.

:lol: I generally find southern girls better than northern girls over here. Nicer accent anyway :pow:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Keefaz on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 02:59:56 AM
Not that it has any relevance here at all really (:lol:), but been working on the ol' family tree the past fortnight and great-great-grandpop on my mama's side was from Ireland. No one in the family knew at all until last week, so it's been quite interesting.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:21:35 AM
Not that it has any relevance here at all really (:lol:), but been working on the ol' family tree the past fortnight and great-great-grandpop on my mama's side was from Ireland. No one in the family knew at all until last week, so it's been quite interesting.

I always thought you were alright Keefaz, blatantly the Irish in you :pow:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 08:57:52 AM
Ardoyne
Shots fired at police
14 baton rounds fired
Water cannon deployed
Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown
Two officers injured
Van pushed at police lines
Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble
Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

Londonderry
Minor trouble at return city centre parade
Missiles thrown
Trouble in Butcher's Gate
One police officer injured

Armagh
Device explodes on Friary Road
Petrol bombs thrown
Two cars stolen and set on fire
Four people arrested

Rasharkin
Stones, petrol bombs thrown
Three police hurt
One arrested

The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. 
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: madras on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 09:54:39 AM
it's always puzzled me why they don't tell the orangemen. ok you can march if we can. and have a nationalist march maybe on the date of the founding of the republic.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: 2sheds on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 11:59:59 AM
Ardoyne
Shots fired at police
14 baton rounds fired
Water cannon deployed
Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown
Two officers injured
Van pushed at police lines
Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble
Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

Londonderry
Minor trouble at return city centre parade
Missiles thrown
Trouble in Butcher's Gate
One police officer injured

Armagh
Device explodes on Friary Road
Petrol bombs thrown
Two cars stolen and set on fire
Four people arrested

Rasharkin
Stones, petrol bombs thrown
Three police hurt
One arrested

The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. 
So you'd be fine with the BNP organising a march through Bradford or Burnley then?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:19:00 PM
Ardoyne
Shots fired at police
14 baton rounds fired
Water cannon deployed
Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown
Two officers injured
Van pushed at police lines
Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble
Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

Londonderry
Minor trouble at return city centre parade
Missiles thrown
Trouble in Butcher's Gate
One police officer injured

Armagh
Device explodes on Friary Road
Petrol bombs thrown
Two cars stolen and set on fire
Four people arrested

Rasharkin
Stones, petrol bombs thrown
Three police hurt
One arrested

The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. 
So you'd be fine with the BNP organising a march through Bradford or Burnley then?

Go for it. Seeing that the BNP got into European politics in Yorkshire and Greater Manchester I can't see how that would cause a problem  O0
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:26:23 PM
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own".

So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:28:00 PM
it's always puzzled me why they don't tell the orangemen. ok you can march if we can. and have a nationalist march maybe on the date of the founding of the republic.

There are marches for St. Patrick's day over here, if they tried getting up the Shankill Road I'd like to see the reaction of the Unionists / Loyalists.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:30:02 PM
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own".

So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless.

Nationalist areas?  :lol: Should they rename them "no go areas"? Northern Ireland is in the UK, the nationalists are as bigotted as the unionists ffs. Its only antagonising if you are simple-minded enough to let it antagonise you.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:34:50 PM
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own".

So you reckon that a march by a completely bigotted organisation through nationalist areas celebrating a 300 year old victory against nationalists isn't deliberately antagonising? Clueless.

Nationalist areas?  :lol: Should they rename them "no go areas"? Northern Ireland is in the UK, the nationalists are a bigotted as the unionists ffs. Its only antagonising if you are simple-minded enough to let it antagonise you.

Yes, nationalist areas. Areas where the residents are overwhelmingly Catholic, what is so hard to understand about that? It's hardly a no go area but it's not advisable if you're wearing an orange sash and a bowler hat. I'm not saying that there isn't bigotry on both sides but organising that bigotry and then parading it through their 'enemies' area is a bit too much.

Let me ask you, why can't they stick to non-nationalist areas? That way there'd be a lot less trouble.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: 2sheds on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:50:25 PM
A better question would be who created the nationalist areas in the first place?

My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 12:58:23 PM
My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame.

Well that's exactly what it was. It used to be that both sides happily co-habited in the same council estates but then with the outbreak of the Troubles housing was divided on what religion you followed, which of course only increased a lot of the problems.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 01:56:14 PM
My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame.

Well that's exactly what it was. It used to be that both sides happily co-habited in the same council estates but then with the outbreak of the Troubles housing was divided on what religion you followed, which of course only increased a lot of the problems.

And is continued by small minded fuckwits who cannot realise that there is no fundamental difference between Catholics and Protestants, or Nationalists and Loyalists.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 02:13:21 PM
My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame.

Well that's exactly what it was. It used to be that both sides happily co-habited in the same council estates but then with the outbreak of the Troubles housing was divided on what religion you followed, which of course only increased a lot of the problems.

And is continued by small minded fuckwits who cannot realise that there is no fundamental difference between Catholics and Protestants, or Nationalists and Loyalists.

Mmmmm, no fundamental difference in Nationalists and Loyalists? Politics isn't your strong point dear, is it?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 02:18:49 PM
My guess is bigotted sectarian housing policy is to blame.

Well that's exactly what it was. It used to be that both sides happily co-habited in the same council estates but then with the outbreak of the Troubles housing was divided on what religion you followed, which of course only increased a lot of the problems.

And is continued by small minded fuckwits who cannot realise that there is no fundamental difference between Catholics and Protestants, or Nationalists and Loyalists.

Mmmmm, no fundamental difference in Nationalists and Loyalists? Politics isn't your strong point dear, is it?

I meant as people. The problem with some sections of Northern Ireland is that they are more concerned about your political viewpoint than anything else. At the end of the day they forget that the person stood in front of them is a person and catagorise them as good or bad depending on what their political allegiance is. And that goes for nationalists and Loyalists alike. f***ing primitive, idiotic behaviour and something I certainly don't miss at all.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 02:21:49 PM
I meant as people. The problem with some sections of Northern Ireland is that they are more concerned about your political viewpoint than anything else. At the end of the day they forget that the person stood in front of them is a person and catagorise them as good or bad depending on what their political allegiance is. And that goes for nationalists and Loyalists alike. f***ing primitive, idiotic behaviour and something I certainly don't miss at all.

Well the same could be said for every single conflict in the world, I don't get its relevance to the discussion on Orange marches.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 02:23:37 PM
I meant as people. The problem with some sections of Northern Ireland is that they are more concerned about your political viewpoint than anything else. At the end of the day they forget that the person stood in front of them is a person and catagorise them as good or bad depending on what their political allegiance is. And that goes for nationalists and Loyalists alike. f***ing primitive, idiotic behaviour and something I certainly don't miss at all.

Well the same could be said for every single conflict in the world, I don't get its relevance to the discussion on Orange marches.

Really? Then you can hardly call me clueless then can you?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 02:25:56 PM
Given the overall situation I don't think the 'Why can't we all just get along?' argument cuts much ice tbh.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:13:27 PM
Blefuscu you are missing the point, regardless of who does what in the nationalist areas, if a march through them streets causes trouble, then it should not happen. You wont get people in those areas changing their views, but what you can do is get the Orange Order to march down a different road for public safety reasons. Is that not what should happen here? Or maybe they should continue to march through areas like Ardoyne, causing all kinds of trouble, seeing as they have their right to? What about the rights of the innocent people caught up in the violence, violence cause because of these marches that could easily be avoided?

Also have you ever been to Ardoyne? It isnt about having the freedom to march where ever they want, it is blatantly obvious that the Orange Order march through areas like this in a bid to cause trouble and wind people up. The Orange Order despise people in those areas, I can tell you that with first hand experience, so it is hardly surprising.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:21:37 PM
Blefuscu you are missing the point, regardless of who does what in the nationalist areas, if a march through them streets causes trouble, then it should not happen. You wont get people in those areas changing their views, but what you can do is get the Orange Order to march down a different road for public safety reasons. Is that not what should happen here? Or maybe they should continue to march through areas like Ardoyne, causing all kinds of trouble, seeing as they have their right to?

Also have you ever been to Ardoyne? It isnt about having the freedom to march where ever they want, it is blatantly obvious that the Orange Order march through areas like this in a bid to cause trouble and wind people up. The Orange Order despise people in those areas, I can tell you that with first hand experience, so it is hardly surprising.

Ardoyne is a blackspot in any case, and has been throughout the Troubles. The parade commissioner gives permission for the routes. People need to rise above the "winding people up" mentality. It would probably annoy the Orange order and the Loyalists more if the Nationalists ignored the marches completely and gave them no attention whatsoever.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:22:55 PM
it's always puzzled me why they don't tell the orangemen. ok you can march if we can. and have a nationalist march maybe on the date of the founding of the republic.

There are marches are Easter for the Easter Rising. If they went through Unionist areas it would be chaos.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:24:15 PM
Blefuscu you are missing the point, regardless of who does what in the nationalist areas, if a march through them streets causes trouble, then it should not happen. You wont get people in those areas changing their views, but what you can do is get the Orange Order to march down a different road for public safety reasons. Is that not what should happen here? Or maybe they should continue to march through areas like Ardoyne, causing all kinds of trouble, seeing as they have their right to?

Also have you ever been to Ardoyne? It isnt about having the freedom to march where ever they want, it is blatantly obvious that the Orange Order march through areas like this in a bid to cause trouble and wind people up. The Orange Order despise people in those areas, I can tell you that with first hand experience, so it is hardly surprising.

Ardoyne is a blackspot in any case, and has been throughout the Troubles.

So why march through there if it guarantees trouble?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:28:19 PM
Blefuscu you are missing the point, regardless of who does what in the nationalist areas, if a march through them streets causes trouble, then it should not happen. You wont get people in those areas changing their views, but what you can do is get the Orange Order to march down a different road for public safety reasons. Is that not what should happen here? Or maybe they should continue to march through areas like Ardoyne, causing all kinds of trouble, seeing as they have their right to?

Also have you ever been to Ardoyne? It isnt about having the freedom to march where ever they want, it is blatantly obvious that the Orange Order march through areas like this in a bid to cause trouble and wind people up. The Orange Order despise people in those areas, I can tell you that with first hand experience, so it is hardly surprising.

Ardoyne is a blackspot in any case, and has been throughout the Troubles.

So why march through there if it guarantees trouble?

I dunno. Its up to them where they march. Would you want to be told where you can and cannot go? There is blame on both sides, but being hypersensitive about stuff like some stuffed shirts marching, followed by a bunch of hangers on who are being heckled by an equally idiotic lot who disagree with them is just madness.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:34:17 PM
They probably wouldn't like to be told and in typical N.I. fashion there would be political uproar, but the fact remains that public safety comes before any march and if a march guarantees trouble then it should not happen. I know the republicans have a share of the blame, but you arnt going to tell them to put their differences and views aside for a day, much easily to just reroute the march. Thats my point really.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:41:50 PM
They probably wouldn't like to be told and in typical N.I. fashion there would be political uproar, but the fact remains that public safety comes before any march and if a march guarantees trouble then it should not happen. I know the republicans have a share of the blame, but you arnt going to tell them to put their differences and views aside for a day, much easily to just reroute the march. Thats my point really.

But then you get to the point of British people having the right to walk down British Roads. I see where you and Ewerk are coming from. Aye it antagonises people, but the parades commission exists to decide where parades in Northern Ireland are allowed to go. There is part of me that would like to see them avoid Drumcree, Ormeau Road and the likes, but then I also agree that the Orange order and the green orange order should have the right to march where they want to.

And I am leaving it at that.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:44:00 PM
They probably wouldn't like to be told and in typical N.I. fashion there would be political uproar, but the fact remains that public safety comes before any march and if a march guarantees trouble then it should not happen. I know the republicans have a share of the blame, but you arnt going to tell them to put their differences and views aside for a day, much easily to just reroute the march. Thats my point really.

But then you get to the point of British people having the right to walk down British Roads.

If they were marching in Britain, then yeah.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:49:13 PM
They probably wouldn't like to be told and in typical N.I. fashion there would be political uproar, but the fact remains that public safety comes before any march and if a march guarantees trouble then it should not happen. I know the republicans have a share of the blame, but you arnt going to tell them to put their differences and views aside for a day, much easily to just reroute the march. Thats my point really.

But then you get to the point of British people having the right to walk down British Roads.

If they were marching in Britain, then yeah.

Don't start that Decky.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:51:51 PM
Blef's bedroom...

(http://renegadekids.co.uk/shop/images/union%20jack%20dc.JPG)
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:53:02 PM
Blef's bedroom...

(http://renegadekids.co.uk/shop/images/union%20jack%20dc.JPG)

 :lol: You forgot my Michael Jackson poster dan.  :lol:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 03:53:29 PM
I just liked the picture tbh  :blush:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:15:33 PM
They probably wouldn't like to be told and in typical N.I. fashion there would be political uproar, but the fact remains that public safety comes before any march and if a march guarantees trouble then it should not happen. I know the republicans have a share of the blame, but you arnt going to tell them to put their differences and views aside for a day, much easily to just reroute the march. Thats my point really.

But then you get to the point of British people having the right to walk down British Roads. I see where you and Ewerk are coming from. Aye it antagonises people, but the parades commission exists to decide where parades in Northern Ireland are allowed to go. There is part of me that would like to see them avoid Drumcree, Ormeau Road and the likes, but then I also agree that the Orange order and the green orange order should have the right to march where they want to.

And I am leaving it at that.

Oh dear, 'The Queen's highways', straight out of the Orange Order's excuses book.

Clearly you're not grasping the point here so I'll try to dumb it down for you. Say the Mackems hammered us in a Cup final 50 years ago and decided to parade through the streets of Newcastle every year to celebrate this victory, there'd be hell on. Yes, it would be petty to carry out such a march and you could guarantee that there'd be plenty of people abusing the march and causing trouble. Should such a march be allowed to happen because people have the 'right' to march on the Queen's highways? Or should it be banned in order to avoid trouble on the streets of Newcastle?

I know its a silly scenario but I'm trying to make things as easy as I can for you.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:17:06 PM
They probably wouldn't like to be told and in typical N.I. fashion there would be political uproar, but the fact remains that public safety comes before any march and if a march guarantees trouble then it should not happen. I know the republicans have a share of the blame, but you arnt going to tell them to put their differences and views aside for a day, much easily to just reroute the march. Thats my point really.

But then you get to the point of British people having the right to walk down British Roads. I see where you and Ewerk are coming from. Aye it antagonises people, but the parades commission exists to decide where parades in Northern Ireland are allowed to go. There is part of me that would like to see them avoid Drumcree, Ormeau Road and the likes, but then I also agree that the Orange order and the green orange order should have the right to march where they want to.

And I am leaving it at that.

Oh dear, 'The Queen's highways', straight out of the Orange Order's excuses book.

Clearly you're not grasping the point here so I'll try to dumb it down for you. Say the Mackems hammered us in a Cup final 50 years ago and decided to parade through the streets of Newcastle every year to celebrate this victory, there'd be hell on. Yes, it would be petty to carry out such a march and you could guarantee that there'd be plenty of people abusing the march and causing trouble. Should such a march be allowed to happen because people have the 'right' to march on the Queen's highways? Or should it be banned in order to avoid trouble on the streets of Newcastle?

I know its a silly scenario but I'm trying to make things as easy as I can for you.

 :doh:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:18:37 PM
Blef's bedroom...

(http://renegadekids.co.uk/shop/images/union%20jack%20dc.JPG)

 :lol: You forgot my Michael Jackson poster dan.  :lol:

And the Rangers posters.

And the orange sash hanging from the wall.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: SEMTEX on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:22:03 PM
Seems like that photo could be rife for some MS paint style customisation...
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:22:54 PM
Blef's bedroom...

(http://renegadekids.co.uk/shop/images/union%20jack%20dc.JPG)

 :lol: You forgot my Michael Jackson poster dan.  :lol:

And the Rangers posters.

And the orange sash hanging from the wall.

Oooh and my portrait of the Queen, mustn't forget Lizzie must we?
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:24:04 PM
(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46053000/jpg/_46053390_belfast3.jpg)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46053000/jpg/_46053389_belfast5.jpg)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46053000/jpg/_46053425_belfast1.jpg)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46053000/jpg/_46053341_belfast2.jpg)

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46053000/jpg/_46053391_belfast4.jpg)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/8149217.stm

... at least they got their march :facepalm:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:24:05 PM
They probably wouldn't like to be told and in typical N.I. fashion there would be political uproar, but the fact remains that public safety comes before any march and if a march guarantees trouble then it should not happen. I know the republicans have a share of the blame, but you arnt going to tell them to put their differences and views aside for a day, much easily to just reroute the march. Thats my point really.

But then you get to the point of British people having the right to walk down British Roads. I see where you and Ewerk are coming from. Aye it antagonises people, but the parades commission exists to decide where parades in Northern Ireland are allowed to go. There is part of me that would like to see them avoid Drumcree, Ormeau Road and the likes, but then I also agree that the Orange order and the green orange order should have the right to march where they want to.

And I am leaving it at that.

Oh dear, 'The Queen's highways', straight out of the Orange Order's excuses book.

Clearly you're not grasping the point here so I'll try to dumb it down for you. Say the Mackems hammered us in a Cup final 50 years ago and decided to parade through the streets of Newcastle every year to celebrate this victory, there'd be hell on. Yes, it would be petty to carry out such a march and you could guarantee that there'd be plenty of people abusing the march and causing trouble. Should such a march be allowed to happen because people have the 'right' to march on the Queen's highways? Or should it be banned in order to avoid trouble on the streets of Newcastle?

I know its a silly scenario but I'm trying to make things as easy as I can for you.

 :doh:

Not dumbed down enough for you? I'm afraid I can't take it any lower.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:35:32 PM
Any chance of explaining the French Revolution using the Newcastle and Sunderland analogies?  :lol:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:41:46 PM
The point is that if a parade as contentious was happening in any other part of the UK then it would either be banned or there would be a f*** load of trouble at it. The best course of action in avoiding such trouble is to ban the parade. That's not rocket science, unfortunately you're just too blinkered to see it.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:44:37 PM
It's interesting just to note that violence seemed to decrease markedly during better economic times, but as soon as poverty rears its ugly head in times of recession, back we are amidst the violent scenes again.

I've no real agenda in saying this by the way. Not seeking to attribute any causes to this other than reminding people that such scenes of civil unrest are invarialbly linked with poverty or inequality.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: ewerk on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 04:52:45 PM
It's interesting just to note that violence seemed to decrease markedly during better economic times, but as soon as poverty rears its ugly head in times of recession, back we are amidst the violent scenes again.

I've no real agenda in saying this by the way. Not seeking to attribute any causes to this other than reminding people that such scenes of civil unrest are invarialbly linked with poverty or inequality.

That's an interesting theory.

However, one of the main reasons for things calming down during the marching season is because the Parades Commission have clamped down on Orange Order marches and re-routed many of them over the past few years in order to reduce the levels of tension. A lot of the trouble this year has been caused by the increased activity of the Real IRA and if we want to stop such splinter groups gaining more support then the Parades Commission has to stop allowing residents of nationalist areas being antagonised in such a way. It'd be great if they could just ignore the marches but it's just not going to happen.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Shak on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 05:07:30 PM
They should really just f*** off back to their own country tbh.

Tiocfaidh ár lá.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 05:07:42 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 05:14:23 PM
They should really just f*** off back to their own country tbh.

Tiocfaidh ár lá.

Only a true "paddy" could have said that. :lol:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Haz on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 05:29:50 PM
The anology of the Mackems in Newcastle was a decent one, except in N.I's case their beef is about the lesser item of War rather than a football match.

The Ulstermen could have shown the world that they were ready to compromise and join this century by ceasing the orange Parades.  Never going to happen I know, but annually rubbing other peoples noses in their own s***, is not grown up.  It betrays their religious past and their inability to merge with the present.

There will always be f***ing idiots on both sides but I think there is quite a lot to GM's appraisal of the econimic situation.  I mean when they arent hitting each other they are blaming immigrants (Forgetting of course that the denizens of the 6 counties mostly comprise of immigrants anyway)
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: madras on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 09:09:39 PM
The anology of the Mackems in Newcastle was a decent one, except in N.I's case their beef is about the lesser item of War rather than a football match.

The Ulstermen could have shown the world that they were ready to compromise and join this century by ceasing the orange Parades.  Never going to happen I know, but annually rubbing other peoples noses in their own s***, is not grown up.  It betrays their religious past and their inability to merge with the present.

There will always be f***ing idiots on both sides but I think there is quite a lot to GM's appraisal of the econimic situation.  I mean when they arent hitting each other they are blaming immigrants (Forgetting of course that the denizens of the 6 counties mostly comprise of immigrants anyway)
but banning the marches causes s*** anyway. if the orangemen feel the need to stress their freedom by marching through nationalist areas then the nationalists should march through orange areas. as yet the bother is caused because the nationalists see it as provocative and the orangemen see it that the nationalists are trying to prevent them marching freely. if the nationalists do a similar march then the both sides would be pressed into allowing the other side march and acknowledging their legitimacy.


this would never happen as there are too many fuckwits but at least then there is more legitimacy in banning the lot.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 09:12:59 PM
Ban the lot for public safety reasons, then the orange men will show their true colours. You might think it is mad disputing a decision that blatantly benefits public safety, but they would dispute it. Some of these orange men are loyalists so they arnt exactly saints.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Coco on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 09:49:38 PM
He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast?

Nah mate im in Newry. It is very similar to Derry, a largely nationalist community on the border. Ill be living in Belfast in September though, in a loyalist area too :lol: Ill have to give myself an alias, William or something.

You going to Uni Decky? I used to live off the Lisburn Rd (Tates Ave amongst other places), which is right beside a heavily Loyalist area, but had no major problems.

I do remember being terrified during the world cup in 2002 though :lol:
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 09:53:59 PM
He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast?

Nah mate im in Newry. It is very similar to Derry, a largely nationalist community on the border. Ill be living in Belfast in September though, in a loyalist area too :lol: Ill have to give myself an alias, William or something.

You going to Uni Decky? I used to live off the Lisburn Rd (Tates Ave amongst other places), which is right beside a heavily Loyalist area, but had no major problems.

I do remember being terrified during the world cup in 2002 though :lol:

Finishing Uni mate, im in 4th year this September.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 10:02:12 PM
I agree that they should only parade through Loyalist areas.  It would save so much hassle and everyone wins.

The 12th of July parades are a great spectacle and if there was never any trouble at them it would be a great thing for the country, lots more tourists from other countries coming over to watch it etc..

Oh, and one of my mates brought his catholic girlfriend to the bonfire on Friday and she had the time of her life :lol:.  I couldn't believe it considering there are tricolours and what not being set on fire.  At one point he said to her "I feel like the f***ing fenian in this relationship now" ;D
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 10:33:56 PM
The bonfires are great, I used to love the 9th August bonfires back in the day.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 11:14:52 PM
He lives on the border of Dunegal in the countryside, it's very nice there so it's wrong for me to say I don't understand him missing it or whatever, but even having never seen ay of the troubles first hand I wouldn't want to be around when things started going off. Where are you Decky, Belfast?

Nah mate im in Newry. It is very similar to Derry, a largely nationalist community on the border. Ill be living in Belfast in September though, in a loyalist area too :lol: Ill have to give myself an alias, William or something.

You ain't taking my name..... >:D
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 11:37:18 PM
Didn't the march come south one year and caused a riot in Dublin? Whatver about the North they are not welcome this side of the border
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: madras on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 11:48:55 PM
Didn't the march come south one year and caused a riot in Dublin? Whatver about the North they are not welcome this side of the border
i know people from dublin who sneer on hearing a northern accent
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 14 July 2009, 11:57:56 PM
Didn't the march come south one year and caused a riot in Dublin? Whatver about the North they are not welcome this side of the border
i know people from dublin who sneer on hearing a northern accent

A bit daft that, people in Donegal have a northern accent, also (obviously) some of us arnt loyalists.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 15 July 2009, 12:00:55 AM
Didn't the march come south one year and caused a riot in Dublin? Whatver about the North they are not welcome this side of the border
i know people from dublin who sneer on hearing a northern accent

A bit daft that, people in Donegal have a northern accent, also (obviously) some of us arnt loyalists.
Well I can safely say I don't sneer at yer accents and would glady have the lot of ye and yer counties in my country as it should be. But shur, that's life
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Shak on Wednesday 15 July 2009, 12:01:35 AM
Didn't the march come south one year and caused a riot in Dublin? Whatver about the North they are not welcome this side of the border
i know people from dublin who sneer on hearing a northern accent

Most people from Dublin are cocks, in fairness.
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: madras on Wednesday 15 July 2009, 12:03:23 AM
Didn't the march come south one year and caused a riot in Dublin? Whatver about the North they are not welcome this side of the border
i know people from dublin who sneer on hearing a northern accent

A bit daft that, people in Donegal have a northern accent, also (obviously) some of us arnt loyalists.
it's a bit daft sneering at an accent. most can't help it an i prefer people to have accents than not have one.



(disclaimer.......scouse and welsh aren't accents....they are afflictions)
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 27 August 2009, 12:26:38 AM
Decided to keep this thread about all things NI in relation to terrorism/sectarianism etc.

There was a fair bit of trouble in South Armagh this week in a near by village. The RIRA set up an illegal road block, one that the police arrived to and left as they couldnt do anything. The RIRA had RPGs, machine guns, the works. They sent the following leaflet to the residents of this village:

(http://www.irishnews.com/webimages/20090826/news1.jpg)

South Armagh is the home of the IRA basically, but this is still quite shocking. This kind of thing hasnt been seen for years. It is quite intimidating as well as I live in a South Armagh village. I just wonder what they are planning as well, you get the feeling they are planning something big.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: madras on Thursday 27 August 2009, 12:30:04 AM
Decided to keep this thread about all things NI in relation to terrorism/sectarianism etc.

There was a fair bit of trouble in South Armagh this week in a near by village. The RIRA set up an illegal road block, one that the police arrived to and left as they couldnt do anything. The RIRA had RPGs, machine guns, the works. They sent the following leaflet to the residents of this village:

(http://www.irishnews.com/webimages/20090826/news1.jpg)

South Armagh is the home of the IRA basically, but this is still quite shocking. This kind of thing hasnt been seen for years. It is quite intimidating as well as I live in a South Armagh village. I just wonder what they are planning as well, you get the feeling they are planning something big.
does that mean they are in charge of the drug running there then as their thuggi mates do in belfast and portadown ?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Thursday 27 August 2009, 12:30:17 AM
Nice leaflet. :kasper:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 27 August 2009, 12:42:37 AM
does that mean they are in charge of the drug running there then as their thuggi mates do in belfast and portadown ?

In a nut shell, if you deal over here you are in big trouble. A dealer lived just up the road from me a few years ago, he ended up taking about 5 bullets parking his car one night. The RIRA try and paint a picture that they are helping the community, but in reality they are probably* dealing themselves to fund their weapons etc and are taking out the competition.

*Wouldn't like to say they ARE.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: madras on Thursday 27 August 2009, 12:45:36 AM
seems like a show of strength by them knowing that the local plod wouldn't be able to muster up much in the sticks.

how long did the roadblock last after the local plod high tailed it ?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Thursday 27 August 2009, 12:49:13 AM
What a bunch of utter c***s.

They're like f***ing nazis.  Just taking over the area with a "Do as we say or we'll kill you" attitude.

If you are "true soldiers of Ireland" f*** off down south and stay out of our wee country. :angry:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 27 August 2009, 12:55:38 AM
f*** off down south and stay out of our wee country. :angry:

That is exactly the kind of thing that causes trouble. They dont see NI as a country, they see it as 6 occupied counties. Which is what it is really.

seems like a show of strength by them knowing that the local plod wouldn't be able to muster up much in the sticks.

how long did the roadblock last after the local plod high tailed it ?

Those police men would have been dead had they tried anything. South Armagh is a no go area for that kind of thing. No idea how long they stayed there, but they had enough time to hand out s*** loads of those leaflets and do other things.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: madras on Thursday 27 August 2009, 01:01:30 AM
f*** off down south and stay out of our wee country. :angry:

That is exactly the kind of thing that causes trouble. They dont see NI as a country, they see it as 6 occupied counties. Which is what it is really.

seems like a show of strength by them knowing that the local plod wouldn't be able to muster up much in the sticks.

how long did the roadblock last after the local plod high tailed it ?

Those police men would have been dead had they tried anything. South Armagh is a no go area for that kind of thing. No idea how long they stayed there, but they had enough time to hand out s*** loads of those leaflets and do other things.
naturally the local plod couldn't have done owt but no doubt word will be higher up. if they were there for a long time after the plod were scared off then it's a massive problem. if they gave it 30 mins and legged it as they knew the cavalry were coming then it was a shoe of strength. either way shitty awful situation tyo have to live in.


err decky.....have you ever had any problems in eire ?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Adam^ on Thursday 27 August 2009, 02:20:17 AM
They need a more intimidating font, on that leaflet though.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LiquidAK on Thursday 27 August 2009, 02:40:39 AM
Christ sake whoever designed that leaflet needs sacking. At least use Publisher ffs, throw in some word art.

Oh and :lol: @ the size of that guys man boobs even showing through his jumper.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: madras on Thursday 27 August 2009, 10:20:02 AM
f*** off down south and stay out of our wee country. :angry:

That is exactly the kind of thing that causes trouble. They dont see NI as a country, they see it as 6 occupied counties. Which is what it is really.

seems like a show of strength by them knowing that the local plod wouldn't be able to muster up much in the sticks.

how long did the roadblock last after the local plod high tailed it ?

Those police men would have been dead had they tried anything. South Armagh is a no go area for that kind of thing. No idea how long they stayed there, but they had enough time to hand out s*** loads of those leaflets and do other things.
naturally the local plod couldn't have done owt but no doubt word will be higher up. if they were there for a long time after the plod were scared off then it's a massive problem. if they gave it 30 mins and legged it as they knew the cavalry were coming then it was a shoe of strength. either way shitty awful situation tyo have to live in.


err decky.....have you ever had any problems in eire ?
i like that...."shoe of strength"...it's the shoe they used to beat the statue of saddam when it fell and the shoe thrown at george bush.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: cfhpantera27 on Thursday 27 August 2009, 05:21:58 PM
I could sit here allday and spout off about all the biggoted c***s that give my country a bad name, but why bother!?
It's a never ending argument, if people want to live in the past, let them.. I'l just keep living my life in the present and enjoy it..
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 1 September 2009, 12:30:26 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1210141/Irish-generals-plotted-attack-UK-forces-Ulster.html#ixzz0Pke56GPy
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Neil on Tuesday 1 September 2009, 12:37:52 AM
May as well change the thread to "Northern Ireland - nasty s*** n stuff"
Title: Re: "The Twelfth" results in yet more violence.
Post by: Crumpy Gunt on Tuesday 1 September 2009, 12:49:04 AM
Ardoyne
Shots fired at police
14 baton rounds fired
Water cannon deployed
Petrol bombs and other missiles thrown
Two officers injured
Van pushed at police lines
Sinn Fein blame Real IRA for trouble
Firearm handed to police after children spotted playing with it

Londonderry
Minor trouble at return city centre parade
Missiles thrown
Trouble in Butcher's Gate
One police officer injured

Armagh
Device explodes on Friary Road
Petrol bombs thrown
Two cars stolen and set on fire
Four people arrested

Rasharkin
Stones, petrol bombs thrown
Three police hurt
One arrested

The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal. 

It's Protestant arrogance that leads to violent confrontation. It is just so avoidable if the will to avoid it is there. Unfortunately when the likes of Paisley have a breath in their body then confontation will be the norm.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 8 September 2009, 03:02:28 PM
Quote

Army makes safe 600lb border bomb


A 600lb bomb has been made safe by an Army bomb disposal team near Forkhill, County Armagh, on the border with the Republic of Ireland.

The device had a command wire running from where it was planted in Northern Ireland to a firing point across the border.

It is suspected that dissident republicans planted the bomb.

Police said that there could have been a "devastating outcome" and that the police were the targets of the bombers.

"The actions of terrorist criminals in planting this device in the Forkhill area put local people and police officers at significant risk," Chief Inspector Sam Cordner said.

'Reckless'

"Their actions were reckless and dangerous in the extreme. Their target may have been the police, but they did not care who they killed or injured.

Garda in security operation
Police on both sides of the border were involved in the operation

"It is only through the hard work and professionalism of police officers and their military colleagues that the area has been made safe."

The remains of the device, which contained fertiliser-based homemade explosives, have been removed for further examination.

The Irish Army and police carried out a similar security operation in the Republic.

The alert in the area began last Tuesday following a telephoned warning to a newspaper.

Sinn Fein MP for Newry and Armagh, Conor Murphy said he was "extremely concerned."

He said: "I would question the motives of those who are putting the local community in such danger.

Dangerous

"I challenge those who have planted this bomb in the community to come forward and explain why they have done so? How is this furthering the struggle for Irish freedom?"

SDLP MLA Dominic Bradley condemned those who planted the bomb and also questioned the police response.

"Everybody accepts the dangerous nature of policing this type of threat by the PSNI, however, serious questions must be asked about the response time in dealing with the device and evacuating people from their nearby homes.

"It seems the PSNI may have known about this bomb days before they moved people and if that's the case then it's certainly cause for much concern."

In January, a 300lb bomb was defused in Castlewellan, County Down.

It is thought the bomb was planted by dissident republicans who were trying to target the Ballykinler army base.

In May the component parts of another fertiliser bomb were found near Rosslea in County Fermanagh.

About 100lbs of explosives were found in a field near the Donagh to Rosslea Road.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8244138.stm

Round Newry seems to be the base of their operations, for now. They are fairly recruiting as well, a lot of people are turning in their favour.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Keefaz on Tuesday 8 September 2009, 03:03:26 PM
Hot f***.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Sunday 13 September 2009, 05:38:26 PM
Quote
WE'VE GOT BIGGEST BOMB EVER

Die-hard Republican Dissidents last night gloated "We've built the biggest bomb Northern Ireland has ever seen."

Oglaigh na hEireann used high tech skills learned in a terror training camp in Lithuania to put the deadly device together and is now planning a "spectacular" attack.

A terrorist source said "We've got the most effective and most devestating bomb this country will ever know.  Everything changes from here on in."

The ONH source said "The provisional IRA did not have the kind of technology we now have.

"We will be judged on our actions in the coming months.  Everything changes from here on in."

The Source also issued a chilling threat to anyone who provides information to the Garda or PSNI.

He said "Our units are organised very tightly and that's why we haven't had any of our men arrested."

"If anyone tries to stop us we won't just shoot them - we will also cause serious damage to their families as a deterrant to anyone who gets in our way."

"We received very advanced training in Lithuania, but we also learned other skills including ways to organise ourselves better to avoid detection, so we're extremely confident of intensifying our campaign and gaining real success very quickly."

"Our units are prepared to die for Ireland because we've had enough of this sham of a peace process"

So s***'s gonna hit the fan big time pretty soon then.   :undecided:

Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Shak on Sunday 13 September 2009, 05:41:24 PM
Doesn't sound good. :(
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Sunday 13 September 2009, 08:50:12 PM
It was only ever a matter of time.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Coco on Sunday 13 September 2009, 11:06:00 PM
This s*** happened a stones throw from my ma's house. f***ing c***s need to catch themselves on...


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8250458.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/foyle_and_west/8250458.stm)
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 14 September 2009, 12:49:03 AM
There were police check points in my village several times this week. Havent seen the like of it in years. The fear is definitely back in Northern Ireland. There will be huge trouble if the police continue to make check points in South Armagh, it isnt Bandit Country for nothing.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Monday 14 September 2009, 07:06:09 PM
There were police check points in my village several times this week. Havent seen the like of it in years. The fear is definitely back in Northern Ireland. There will be huge trouble if the police continue to make check points in South Armagh, it isnt Bandit Country for nothing.

The whole point is that if the RIRA weren't starting to be arseholes again then there would be no need for the checkpoints to come back. What do the RIRA expect, the government to let them get away with blowing up soldiers and serving Catholic policemen and women?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: ewerk on Monday 14 September 2009, 08:42:29 PM
There were police check points in my village several times this week. Havent seen the like of it in years. The fear is definitely back in Northern Ireland. There will be huge trouble if the police continue to make check points in South Armagh, it isnt Bandit Country for nothing.

The whole point is that if the RIRA weren't starting to be arseholes again then there would be no need for the checkpoints to come back. What do the RIRA expect, the government to let them get away with blowing up soldiers and serving Catholic policemen and women?

I think you're missing the point of the RIRA.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Monday 14 September 2009, 09:52:53 PM
There were police check points in my village several times this week. Havent seen the like of it in years. The fear is definitely back in Northern Ireland. There will be huge trouble if the police continue to make check points in South Armagh, it isnt Bandit Country for nothing.

The whole point is that if the RIRA weren't starting to be arseholes again then there would be no need for the checkpoints to come back. What do the RIRA expect, the government to let them get away with blowing up soldiers and serving Catholic policemen and women?

I think you're missing the point of the RIRA.

Much as they are missing the point of the police tbh.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Monday 14 September 2009, 10:18:39 PM
Republican youths target the home of a 95 year old woman.    :kinnear:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8254663.stm
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 September 2009, 01:02:06 AM
There were police check points in my village several times this week. Havent seen the like of it in years. The fear is definitely back in Northern Ireland. There will be huge trouble if the police continue to make check points in South Armagh, it isnt Bandit Country for nothing.

The whole point is that if the RIRA weren't starting to be arseholes again then there would be no need for the checkpoints to come back. What do the RIRA expect, the government to let them get away with blowing up soldiers and serving Catholic policemen and women?

Didnt you live here for ages? Can you not see my point about police check points in South Armagh?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 September 2009, 01:03:17 AM
Republican youths target the home of a 95 year old woman.    :kinnear:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8254663.stm

Pack of wannabes. Another problem that will come from the recent trouble.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 15 September 2009, 03:02:50 PM
There were police check points in my village several times this week. Havent seen the like of it in years. The fear is definitely back in Northern Ireland. There will be huge trouble if the police continue to make check points in South Armagh, it isnt Bandit Country for nothing.

The whole point is that if the RIRA weren't starting to be arseholes again then there would be no need for the checkpoints to come back. What do the RIRA expect, the government to let them get away with blowing up soldiers and serving Catholic policemen and women?

Didnt you live here for ages? Can you not see my point about police check points in South Armagh?

South Armargh is bandit country, but the RIRA cannot expect the police to just sit there and take it up the arse. Why the hell anyone Republican  or Unionist would want the troubles back in Northern Ireland is beyond me.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 September 2009, 03:05:10 PM
Why the hell anyone Republican  or Unionist would want the troubles back in Northern Ireland is beyond me.

They had power for all those years, didnt need real jobs. The troubles died and all of a sudden the reality of how s*** their lives are hit home. Instead of getting a job and coming to terms with the fact that they have no power anymore, they just go back to the old ways as 'dissidents'.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Sunday 11 October 2009, 06:44:44 PM
Quote
'Armed struggle is over' - INLA

IRSP member reads out statement
An Irish Republican Socialist Party member read out the statement

An Irish republican paramilitary group responsible for dozens of murders during Northern Ireland's Troubles has renounced violence.

The Irish National Liberation Army said its "armed struggle is over".

The INLA said it would pursue its objectives from now on by "exclusively peaceful political struggle".

Its statement did not mention weapons decommissioning, but it is understood talks have begun and the government hopes the process will begin in months.

A small group which proved itself to be ruthless during the Troubles, it has been on ceasefire for 11 years.

The statement was issued through its political wing, the Irish Republican Socialist Party, at an event in Bray, County Wicklow on Sunday.

"The republican socialist movement has been informed by the INLA that following a process of serious debate, consultation and analysis, it has concluded that the armed struggle is over," it said.

   
INLA KILLINGS 1975 - 2001
Scene of Droppin' Well bombing
42 civilians
46 UK security forces
16 republican paramilitaries
Seven loyalist paramilitary
Two Irish security forces
Total: 113
Republican figures includes 10 INLA members killed in feuds
*Source: CAIN Troubles archive

Who are the INLA?
In pictures: INLA history
Political reaction

"The objective of a 32-county socialist republic will be best achieved through exclusively peaceful political struggle."

Northern Ireland Secretary Shaun Woodward said he welcomed the INLA's statement but "it is essential that words are matched to deeds".

Mr Woodward urged the INLA to destroy its weapons before the deadline in February when the decommissioning body is due to be wound up.

Established in 1975, many of its recruits were former members of the Official IRA.

They murdered Conservative Northern Ireland spokesman Airey Neave in 1979 by leaving a bomb under his car at Westminster.

The organisation was also responsible for one of Northern Ireland's worst atrocities.

In 1982 it killed 17 people in a bomb attack on the Droppin' Well pub in Ballykelly, County Londonderry.

The INLA also murdered loyalist LVF leader Billy Wright at the Maze prison.

Three members of the INLA died in the jail while on hunger strike in the 1980s.

Despite being on ceasefire since 1998, it has carried out a number of shootings and engaged in a wide range of criminal activity.

INLA member pictured at republican parade in 2007
The INLA was mainly involved in organised crime in recent years

The group has regularly indulged in bouts of bloody infighting.

In February this year, the INLA claimed responsibility for the murder of a drug dealer in Londonderry.

It is mainly involved in organised crime, such as extortion and robbery.

Last year police investigating the INLA and associates in County Londonderry seized controlled drugs with an estimated value of £10,000.

The INLA has been talking to intermediaries representing the British and Irish governments for several months.

The group is also believed to be engaged in talks with the head of the Independent International Commission on Decommissioning, General John de Chastelain about putting its weapons beyond use.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8301241.stm

Ill believe it when they decommission, but extremely positive news if true.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Sunday 11 October 2009, 06:47:19 PM
Find it hard to believe, too. So, anyway....how are you going to fill your evenings now Decky? This announcement must surely leave a gaping hole in your social calendar?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Sunday 11 October 2009, 06:51:07 PM
Find it hard to believe, too. So, anyway....how are you going to fill your evenings now Decky? This announcement must surely leave a gaping hole in your social calendar?

Nah ive already sorted out a gig with the dissidents.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Sunday 11 October 2009, 06:52:23 PM
Find it hard to believe, too. So, anyway....how are you going to fill your evenings now Decky? This announcement must surely leave a gaping hole in your social calendar?

Nah ive already sorted out a gig with the dissidents.

Good stuff. So long as you're not coming anywhere near Edinburgh... :harry:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Sunday 11 October 2009, 06:56:53 PM
Find it hard to believe, too. So, anyway....how are you going to fill your evenings now Decky? This announcement must surely leave a gaping hole in your social calendar?

Nah ive already sorted out a gig with the dissidents.

Good stuff. So long as you're not coming anywhere near Edinburgh... :harry:

Ill be over to visit my family. Wont blow anything up though, we like the Scottish, well, half of them anyway :razz:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: 2sheds on Sunday 11 October 2009, 08:03:39 PM
Quote
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal.
This is exact 'the blame the victim' mentality that makes the rest of the british people deeply embarassed.
We should have handed Northern Ireland over to the south after the protestants had clearly shown they were unfit to govern by their sectarian laws and policies.
There is no way I would ever consider some opinionated paisleyite to be 'British' in the way I am because to me the term denotes a certain standard of civility, something missing from Northern Ireland since its inception.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Sunday 11 October 2009, 08:07:29 PM
Quote
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal.
This is exact 'the blame the victim' mentality that makes the rest of the british people deeply embarassed.
We should have handed Northern Ireland over to the south after the protestants had clearly shown they were unfit to govern by their sectarian laws and policies.
There is no way I would ever consider some opinionated paisleyite to be 'British' in the way I am because to me the term denotes a certain standard of civility, something missing from Northern Ireland since its inception.

Do Britain even want Northern Ireland? What was it Patrick Mayhew said? Britain had no "selfish strategic or economic interest in Northern Ireland? I dont doubt it.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: toonlass on Sunday 11 October 2009, 08:54:26 PM
Quote
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal.
This is exact 'the blame the victim' mentality that makes the rest of the british people deeply embarassed.
We should have handed Northern Ireland over to the south after the protestants had clearly shown they were unfit to govern by their sectarian laws and policies.
There is no way I would ever consider some opinionated paisleyite to be 'British' in the way I am because to me the term denotes a certain standard of civility, something missing from Northern Ireland since its inception.

Nice sweeping generalisation there.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: 2sheds on Sunday 11 October 2009, 09:01:23 PM
Quote
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal.
This is exact 'the blame the victim' mentality that makes the rest of the british people deeply embarassed.
We should have handed Northern Ireland over to the south after the protestants had clearly shown they were unfit to govern by their sectarian laws and policies.
There is no way I would ever consider some opinionated paisleyite to be 'British' in the way I am because to me the term denotes a certain standard of civility, something missing from Northern Ireland since its inception.

Nice sweeping generalisation there.
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers.

How's that for a sweeping generalisation?  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: toonlass on Sunday 11 October 2009, 09:15:11 PM
Quote
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers. The problem is that a lot of people in Northern Ireland still have the mindset of "how on gods name are the Orange Order allowed to still march through catholic/nationalist/republican...areas". Hello! They are not areas that people "own". And before anyone says "aye but you are from a loyalist family" I will say that I was damn annoyed by the actions of loyalists who terrorised the catholic school children who were trying to get to their school a few years back. People in the UK have the right to walk wherever they want to and the Orange marches are legal.
This is exact 'the blame the victim' mentality that makes the rest of the british people deeply embarassed.
We should have handed Northern Ireland over to the south after the protestants had clearly shown they were unfit to govern by their sectarian laws and policies.
There is no way I would ever consider some opinionated paisleyite to be 'British' in the way I am because to me the term denotes a certain standard of civility, something missing from Northern Ireland since its inception.

Nice sweeping generalisation there.
The majority of this violence was committed by Republicans who use the Orange marches as an excuse to cause trouble and blame it on the marchers.

How's that for a sweeping generalisation?  :rolleyes:

And the problem with that?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Alan Shearer 9 on Sunday 11 October 2009, 09:16:09 PM
This is what happens when you get a country that is near 90% catholic unfortunately.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Sunday 11 October 2009, 09:42:20 PM
This is what happens when you get a country that is near 90% catholic unfortunately.

They're all breeding with their relatives way too much over there.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Legacy on Monday 12 October 2009, 05:33:01 PM
I didn't really know where else to stick this, but Hilary Clinton visited Queens (my uni) in Belfast as part of her trip to Northern Ireland about Devolution anyways It felt like I was in an episode of 24, with your typical homeland security running around in grey/black suits, shades and talking into their arms. There was even a sniper lying ontop of the Student Union  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Keefaz on Monday 12 October 2009, 05:36:56 PM
Is there anyway we can stop them coming over to Newcastle for stag nights?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Coco on Monday 12 October 2009, 06:27:04 PM
I didn't really know where else to stick this, but Hilary Clinton visited Queens (my uni) in Belfast as part of her trip to Northern Ireland about Devolution anyways It felt like I was in an episode of 24, with your typical homeland security running around in grey/black suits, shades and talking into their arms. There was even a sniper lying ontop of the Student Union  :lol:

:lol: I mind that when Bill visited Derry way back.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: BlueStar on Monday 12 October 2009, 06:46:53 PM
Is there anyway we can stop them coming over to Newcastle for stag nights?

I think you'd get more suggestions if you phrased it "How do you get an Irishman to stop coming to newcastle on stag nights?"
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Monday 12 October 2009, 06:48:27 PM
We will stop going over when madras stops coming to Dublin
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: madras on Tuesday 13 October 2009, 10:50:29 AM
We will stop going over when madras stops coming to Dublin
i've been invited back for a wedding next year as it's been pointed out i have never been rained on in eire and they want me over for the weather.

and tbf i've never been over for a stag doo. my mate has married a local ( had the wedding at fitzpatrick castle,at which i was best man and which was very nice) and has 2 kids who are part irish.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: toonlass on Friday 16 October 2009, 01:07:14 PM
Another bomb blast this morning in Belfast.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8310203.stm

A police officer's partner was injured when a bomb exploded under her car in east Belfast.

The 38-year-old was reversing the vehicle out of the driveway of a house in Kingsdale Park at about 0730 BST on Friday when the device exploded.

She was taken to hospital suffering from a minor arm injury and ringing in her ears, but has since been discharged.

The police said the bomb could have killed or caused serious injury.

   
ANALYSIS
Mark Simpsons
Mark Simpson,
BBC News, Belfast
The location of what is presumed to be a dissident republican attack is significant as it is far from the areas in which the dissidents have been most active.

This is less than a mile from Police HQ, it's in the constituency of the DUP first minister Peter Robinson, it's one of the most unionist constituencies in Northern Ireland.

Dissident republicans haven't been terribly active in Belfast as a whole in recent years, never mind east Belfast. This clearly looks like an upping of the ante.

Chief Supt Brian Maguire indicated that a device had been planted on the passenger side of the car and had someone been sitting there it could have caused a fatality.

He said they were still investigating who the intended target was.

The DUP First Minister Peter Robinson said the attack "was an evil act designed to murder a police officer."

Last month, the dissident republican Real IRA admitted leaving bombs outside the homes of relatives of a police officer in Londonderry.

In March, another dissident group the Continuity IRA admitted killing police constable Stephen Carroll who was shot in Craigavon, County Armagh.

UUP leader Sir Reg Empey said the latest attack was a "very serious development".

Chief Superintendent Brian Maguire said the device 'had the potential to cause death or serious injury'

"Obviously there's a lot of speculation that this is another dissident attack, similar to the one in Londonderry a couple of months ago."

The Northern Ireland Security Minister Paul Goggins described Friday's attack as "repulsive".

He said: "Mercifully this woman escaped with minor injuries but those who planted this bomb had murder in mind. They do not care who they kill."

The Chairman of the Northern Ireland Policing Board, Barry Gilligan, also condemned the attack.

He said: "It is fortunate that this young woman was not seriously injured in this incident and our thoughts are with her and her family."

Belfast Lord Mayor Naomi Long said it was a "completely reckless and indiscriminate attack".
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 16 October 2009, 01:10:52 PM
Sad t***s.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Friday 16 October 2009, 02:38:01 PM
Eventually the loyalists will react and all hell will break lose.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: toonlass on Friday 16 October 2009, 02:40:54 PM
Eventually the loyalists will react and all hell will break lose

And then they loyalists will get the blame for retaliating.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Friday 16 October 2009, 02:42:11 PM
Eventually the loyalists will react and all hell will break lose

And then they loyalists will get the blame for retaliating.

And rightly so.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: toonlass on Friday 16 October 2009, 02:44:07 PM
Eventually the loyalists will react and all hell will break lose

And then they loyalists will get the blame for retaliating.

And rightly so.

 :explode:  *



























* The loyalist has retaliated,  bluelaugh.gif
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Northerngimp on Friday 16 October 2009, 02:51:14 PM
Just let people live in peace.

Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: toonlass on Friday 16 October 2009, 02:52:12 PM
Think a thread title change might be in order.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland * 'Armed struggle is over' - INLA*
Post by: Decky on Friday 16 October 2009, 02:52:43 PM
Think a thread title change might be in order.

I was gonna do it but then I seen a new reply and it was that :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 24 October 2009, 12:30:05 PM
Just watching the Ulster Unionists Party conference here. f*** I hate the UUP. All they care about is securing the Union, not about building the peace process. Their little partnership with the Conservatives is cringe worthy as f*** too. These cretins will do the peace process absolutely no favours what so ever.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 8 November 2009, 08:32:03 PM
Just updated The Disappeared website, some of you might find the news articles interesting.

http://thedisappearedni.co.uk/newsandevents.html
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Friday 8 January 2010, 11:07:22 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447829.stm

Another catholic policeman targeted. Not on like.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: QBG on Friday 8 January 2010, 01:58:14 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447829.stm

Another catholic policeman targeted. Not on like.

Said it before and I'll say it again, Religion only causes problems.

Also heard recently that USA criticised our handling of the NI situation, what the f*** does it have to do with them?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Coco on Saturday 9 January 2010, 02:33:15 AM
Really didn't know the PSNI had a GAA team... :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Mowen on Saturday 9 January 2010, 02:34:25 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8447829.stm

Another catholic policeman targeted. Not on like.

Is that a pisstake? Who gives a f*** what religion he is? It's not on regardless.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 9 January 2010, 02:43:34 AM
Really didn't know the PSNI had a GAA team... :lol:
I think it's only a recent thing. One of the rules was you couldn't be a member of the GAA if you were in the PSNI. I think it was a gesture made to show power sharing etc can work. I may be talkin out me arse though
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 9 January 2010, 01:26:59 PM
See this horrible bitch is finally getting her comeuppance.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8449953.stm

Spent most of her life talking about how the government had a duty to enforce God's laws on people, how evil Bill Clinton was for having an affair and how pathetic Hillary was for taking him back, saying gays were "disgusting, loathsome, shamefully wicked and vile" and that they could be cured by a lovely Christian psychiatrist she knew and whoops, she gets caught fiddling the books to give loads of money to the 19 year old lad she's been f***ing behind the back of her husband of 40 years.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Monday 11 January 2010, 08:00:14 PM
Amazing that one tart who couldn't keep her knickers on might have brought down the whole peace process because she shagged a young lad. Stupid, hypocritical woman!
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 22 February 2010, 10:49:00 PM
Car bomb just went off in Newry, could feel it where i live 8 miles away. My friend in Newry confirmed it was the courthouse.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry
Post by: Legacy on Monday 22 February 2010, 11:14:08 PM
No injuries thankfully.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 23 February 2010, 12:24:12 AM
Car bomb just went off in Newry, could feel it where i live 8 miles away. My friend in Newry confirmed it was the courthouse.
A for f*** sake.


What side? (not that it makes a difference just want to know).


Thank God no injuries
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 23 February 2010, 01:55:29 AM
Stay safe, Dec.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 23 February 2010, 07:40:59 AM
Nobs
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 23 February 2010, 10:00:42 AM
Stay safe, Dec.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: lankybellwipe on Tuesday 23 February 2010, 10:50:59 AM
When you come over on Paddy's Day, buy a home!!   O0
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: Rob W on Wednesday 24 February 2010, 12:45:03 PM
what in God's earth do these people want??
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: Decky on Monday 12 April 2010, 12:57:01 AM
A huge bomb has apparently gone off in Belfast.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: Neil on Monday 12 April 2010, 12:58:54 AM
Ah f***ing hell.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: LucaAltieri on Monday 12 April 2010, 12:59:33 AM
A huge bomb has apparently gone off in Belfast.

Was it you?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: Decky on Monday 12 April 2010, 12:59:56 AM
A huge bomb has apparently gone off in Belfast.

Was it you?

Nope, im busy working on another one for Newry.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Newry (page 5)
Post by: Thespence on Monday 12 April 2010, 01:01:55 AM
A huge bomb has apparently gone off in Belfast.

Al Qaeda on the night bus?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: pedro111 on Monday 12 April 2010, 01:02:22 AM
Nowt on the news like.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: Thespence on Monday 12 April 2010, 01:03:49 AM
Nowt on the news like.

It is on BBC1NI channel 959.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: Decky on Monday 12 April 2010, 01:04:43 AM
Car bomb at a police barracks apparently.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: pedro111 on Monday 12 April 2010, 01:05:28 AM
Nowt on the news like.

It is on BBC1NI channel 959.

Oh right. I've got sky news on.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: Decky on Monday 12 April 2010, 01:25:07 AM
http://www.u.tv/News/Car-bomb-explodes-in-Hollywood-/8fbf2e8f-d026-4354-ab0c-6d63cb2aa40f
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: Decky on Monday 12 April 2010, 01:37:36 AM
More than 1 apparently. Rumours are that another one went off in the Shankhill Road area, although the rumour mill is wild when 1 goes off.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: toonlass on Monday 12 April 2010, 12:25:02 PM
Oh buggeration.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: Legacy on Tuesday 13 April 2010, 09:54:13 AM
Another suspect car has been left at police gates in Newtownhamilton in County Armagh.  :doh:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 13 April 2010, 01:03:39 PM
Thats about 3 miles from me, ill let you know if it goes off :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 13 April 2010, 01:05:50 PM
You going out for a ride round a council estate on a horse?  O0
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Belfast (page 5)
Post by: Decky on Friday 23 April 2010, 12:11:41 AM
A bomb has gone off about 3 miles from me in Newtown, might explain why the internet hasnt worked for a good hour there.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8638902.stm

Apparently all the RIRA operations are coming from South Armagh, which is where i live, this could just be the start of the a bombing campaign here :(
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Armagh (page 6)
Post by: Legacy on Friday 23 April 2010, 12:23:11 AM
Just seen the update.. thankfully no-one has been seriously injured so far..
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Armagh (page 6)
Post by: Decky on Friday 23 April 2010, 12:25:27 AM
They have their flags and demonstrations everywhere around here too. I just hope there isnt any trouble during the election because ill be voting no matter what they think of it, as will most people here.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Armagh (page 6)
Post by: BlufPurdi on Friday 23 April 2010, 12:28:15 AM
What side you on Decky, and I don't mean in the sense "are you with them?" but more can you understand why they're at it?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Armagh (page 6)
Post by: Decky on Friday 23 April 2010, 12:31:43 AM
What side you on Decky, and I don't mean in the sense "are you with them?" but more can you understand why they're at it?

Id have supported it years ago, but politics is the clear way forward now. I CAN see where they are coming from, but to me its a simple case of these people cant find a place in politics, and maybe society, so they cling onto the past, when they meant something to people. Right now they arnt helping anyone or anything, they need to stop. The Omagh bomb was f***ing devastating, it was close to Bloody Sunday in terms of wreckless murder. Another Omagh bomb is on the cards over here at the moment, it isnt good and people simply wont support them.

Having said that, they are getting more and more support from the working class, but overall, they wont get the support the Provos had, not even close.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Armagh (page 6)
Post by: toonlass on Friday 23 April 2010, 09:53:18 AM
My ex-husband's lot are in Belfast, and have said that another Omagh is inevitable. They have more or less said the same as Decky and I think most people, regardless of where they stand, don't want to go back to the times of The Troubles.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Bomb explodes in Armagh (page 6)
Post by: Decky on Monday 26 April 2010, 08:01:38 PM
What are people's opinions on Sir Reg Empey and his Ulster Unionists? I hope to f*** Unionists here back the DUP, I really dont want the UUP and indeed the Tories getting into any sort of power.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: pedro111 on Monday 26 April 2010, 08:22:31 PM
I would like to visit Northern Ireland one day but as an Englishman, am I right to fear for my life?

Reading all those Andy McNab books have put the s***s up me tbh.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 26 April 2010, 08:30:24 PM
I would like to visit Northern Ireland one day but as an Englishman, am I right to fear for my life?

Nah man :lol: I live in a nationalist/republican city and theres English lads who are regulars in my local. No one cares here unless you go to some s*** hole like something out of Shameless :lol: It isnt that kind of place anymore.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: pedro111 on Monday 26 April 2010, 08:37:48 PM
I would like to visit Northern Ireland one day but as an Englishman, am I right to fear for my life?

Nah man :lol: I live in a nationalist/republican city and theres English lads who are regulars in my local. No one cares here unless you go to some s*** hole like something out of Shameless :lol: It isnt that kind of place anymore.

Thanks mate. Its just that Andy McNab makes it sound like the Wild West where folk are fond of drilling holes in people with Black & Deckers. Didn't fancy any of that tbh.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 27 April 2010, 08:56:33 AM
Anyone catch the leaders debate on UTV? You can catch up on it here:

http://www.u.tv/election2010/NI-leaders-in-election-debate-first/9ea21660-20b1-41bd-9c13-f3ea96bd274d
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: Decky on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:30:37 AM
Controlled explosion in Derry at a polling station.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:34:47 AM
Controlled explosion in Derry at a polling station.
A hung Parliament would be a "bad" outcome for Northern Ireland.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: madras on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:37:34 AM
Controlled explosion in Derry at a polling station.
A hung Parliament would be a "bad" outcome for Northern Ireland.
why ?
(genuinly interested)
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:42:57 AM
Controlled explosion in Derry at a polling station.
A hung Parliament would be a "bad" outcome for Northern Ireland.
why ?
(genuinly interested)

Well, the Tories would want support and traditionally they get support from the Unionists. So if the Tories get in with Unionist support the Unionists "could" (which is why I put bad in "") start flexing their muscles. Nationalists wouldn't like this and this "could" lead to increased violence.

Now I'm not saying that's definite or anything, just my opinion based on what has traditionally happened in the past.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: Decky on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:44:29 AM
Peter Robinson could lose his seat here.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: madras on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:44:38 AM
Controlled explosion in Derry at a polling station.
A hung Parliament would be a "bad" outcome for Northern Ireland.
why ?
(genuinly interested)

Well, the Tories would want support and traditionally they get support from the Unionists. So if the Tories get in with Unionist support the Unionists "could" (which is why I put bad in "") start flexing their muscles. Nationalists wouldn't like this and this "could" lead to increased violence.

Now I'm not saying that's definite or anything, just my opinion based on what has traditionally happened in the past.
i see. i was thinking of a lib-lab hung parliament. the tory supported by DUP does make bloody obvious sense when its put to me though.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:47:20 AM
Peter Robinson could lose his seat here.
The wive being done by the toy boy may have something to do with that  :razz:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:49:07 AM
Yeah, he's out
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: Decky on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:51:09 AM
Surely Robinson will be replaced within the DUP?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: toonlass on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:51:57 AM
Hahahaha Peter Robinson, no doubt all that scandal with his wife and her young lover has dented his popularity, but what a result for the alliance party.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Election talk from page 6
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 7 May 2010, 12:54:27 AM
Surely Robinson will be replaced within the DUP?
He will but he was a big fan of Power Sharing so it's starting look bad for Irish Nationalists
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 03:55:01 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10310598.stm

Im sure most of you are all well aware of this.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 04:07:06 AM
Apologies for my ignorance Decky but I have a question regarding Irish citizenship:

If someone was born in Northern Ireland but chose to be British (for whatever reason), can he or she choose in later life to become an Irish citizen (without too much hassle?)
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 04:07:53 AM
Yeah you can just apply for an Irish one as normal. I know people who actually have both.

Edit: as far as im aware. One of my mates had an Irish one but got a British one because it was quicker to get and he was going on holidays soon. Also my uncle had a British one but wanted an Irish one, which he got while also in possession of his British passport.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Sifu on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 04:11:07 AM
Yeah you can just apply for an Irish one as normal. I know people who actually have both.

Are they subject to specific conditions though? I have dual citizenship (UK and Hong Kong) but HK law stipulates that because I'm primarily a British citizen, I have to go to HK every 3 years otherwise I'll lose citizenship there!
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Adam^ on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 04:23:38 AM
I hope this report is worth £195 million
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 04:29:03 AM
Yeah you can just apply for an Irish one as normal. I know people who actually have both.

Are they subject to specific conditions though? I have dual citizenship (UK and Hong Kong) but HK law stipulates that because I'm primarily a British citizen, I have to go to HK every 3 years otherwise I'll lose citizenship there!

Not too sure there mate.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Rob W on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 08:42:53 AM
Yeah you can just apply for an Irish one as normal. I know people who actually have both.

Are they subject to specific conditions though? I have dual citizenship (UK and Hong Kong) but HK law stipulates that because I'm primarily a British citizen, I have to go to HK every 3 years otherwise I'll lose citizenship there!

Don't think so Sifu - I know someone who has both and he hasn't been near Ireland for years

Link 3 in the references =on this Wikipedia article might help

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_passport
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 09:38:26 AM
I hope this report is worth £195 million

Aye, bugger the families of the unarmed blokes shot dead, who were called terrorists and murderers when in the main the evidence showed that they weren't! Apart from a couple of lads with gunpowder residue on their hands there is no evidence to show why the paras shot them, and a couple of the blokes had their hands up or were waving white hankies and shouting "Dont shoot!" when they were killed. If it cost double the amount to find out the truth about that day then it would be worth it!
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Fugazi on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 10:19:28 AM
UrUrUrUrUrUr, now then, now then etc...
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 05:36:42 PM
Justice at last. Shame it took this long really, but the names of those killed and attacked are cleared and the murderers have been identified as just that. Great day today.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 05:40:26 PM
Justice at last. Shame it took this long really, but the names of those killed and attacked are cleared and the murderers have been identified as just that. Great day today.

I am pleased that the truth is out about Bloody Sunday. Those lads can now rest in peace.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 05:45:20 PM
Do the soldiers and those who gave the orders now get done for murder?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 15 June 2010, 05:53:50 PM
Do the soldiers and those who gave the orders now get done for murder?

Probably not!

This incident arguably exascerbated The Troubles more than any other. However the actions that came before and after Bloody Sunday do not fail to exist because of this finding.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 6 July 2010, 05:40:56 PM
Government lawyers to study Billy Wright death report
By Michael McHugh, Press Association
Government lawyers are to study a report into the prison death of loyalist Billy Wright.

They are checking that Lord Ranald MacLean's £30 million investigation into alleged security lapses will not put the lives of individuals at risk when it is published within a few months.

Lord MacLean probed the Loyalist Volunteer Force (LVF) leader's murder by republicans in the high-security Maze prison near Belfast in 1997. Five witnesses at the inquiry won a legal battle for anonymity.

Northern Ireland Secretary Owen Paterson said: "I need to take steps to satisfy myself that the publication of the report will not breach Article 2 of the Convention (of Human Rights) by putting the lives or safety of individuals at risk."

He added: "I also have a duty to satisfy myself that publication will not put national security at risk, for example by disclosing details of sources of confidential information."

Wright, 37, was gunned down by republican splinter group the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) inmates as he sat in a prison van in December 1997 before a visit.

Inquiry hearings ran from January 2008 to July 2009 and the panel's report is expected to be published within months. It cost £29.7 million to the end of May this year.

The five witnesses granted anonymity included former police special branch officers because identification could potentially reduce the effectiveness of the special branch as a whole and could create a risk to witnesses and others.

With terms of reference announced in November 2004 the Wright inquiry was one of three established to probe whether security force collusion surrounded controversial deaths. The others included murdered Catholic solicitor Rosemary Nelson and Robert Hamill who was kicked to death in Portadown, Co Armagh, while police were nearby.

Last month Lord Mark Saville's Bloody Sunday report into the death of 14 civil rights protesters shot dead by soldiers was published after the government took time to consider similar national security implications.

Questions considered by the Wright panel included:

:: The decision to house Wright and other LVF members in the same H Block as the INLA;

:: The security lapses which allowed the INLA to smuggle in two guns;

:: The standing down of a prison officer from the watchtower overlooking H Block 6 on the morning of the killing;

:: The fact that a vital CCTV camera was not working;

:: The lapses which allowed a wire fence to be cut by the INLA men.

Mr Paterson added he had asked a team of officials to begin checking the MacLean report.

"I have established a small team of officials and legal advisors to assist me in carrying out this necessary exercise," he said.

"The team will be led by the Northern Ireland Office's principal legal advisor but will need to include members drawn from the Ministry of Defence, security service and Police Service of Northern Ireland, who are familiar with the sensitive material provided to the Inquiry panel but they will be granted access to the report under strict terms of confidentiality and for the sole purpose of carrying out the necessary checks and they will report directly to me alone."

Lord MacLean has agreed that this team can carry out the checks on the Inquiry's premises while the report remains in his custody before it is formally submitted to the Northern Ireland Secretary.

Representatives of the families may enjoy advance sight before the report is published to parliament, Mr Paterson said.

He added he wanted to publish the report in its entirety.

"Should any concerns about the safety of any individual arise my first course of action would be to consider whether these can be addressed through alternative means," he said.

"Were I to reach this conclusion, on advice, that a redaction to the text might be necessary, I would consult Lord MacLean.

"In the very unlikely event that any redaction was deemed necessary, my intention would be to make this clear on the face of the report."

He added: "I believe that these checks are absolutely necessary in order to meet the legal obligations on me."



(c) 2010 Independent News and Media
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Monday 12 July 2010, 11:01:58 PM
Just a few clips to show what the 12th of July over here is like for outsiders.  It's an amazing spectacle seeing s*** like this just take over the country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVno_tToaYY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYHistCCKmc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JPvlJyZgxA

and here of course here's the retaliation from nationalists..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/10594614.stm

Seriously, Raoul Moat is so small time compared to over here :razz:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Fenham Mag on Monday 12 July 2010, 11:06:37 PM
Men Baton twirling ?

GAY .
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - Saville Report due today
Post by: Decky on Monday 12 July 2010, 11:11:48 PM
Nothing like a bit of orange antagonism.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Monday 12 July 2010, 11:19:50 PM
Nothing like a bit of orange antagonism.

You love it.  :razz:

I'm not bitter at all like, it's just such a surreal time of year.  Just trying to give foreigners an insight into what it's like being a loyalist at this time of year.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Thespence on Monday 12 July 2010, 11:21:42 PM
The police only got hit because there usual vehicle of choice the well armoured 4x4 mitsubishi were in Northumberland.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Stu on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 12:02:53 AM
Larne is an utter shithole.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 09:49:24 AM
The Nationalist teenagers in North Belfast showing themselves in a good light again. Hours after the Orange parade had been through the area and they are throwing bricks, concrete slabs and anything else at the police and using the Orange marches as their excuse! Any reason to attack the police.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 09:55:41 AM
people still interested what goes on over there huh?  i thought we'd all made a socially collective decision to ignore them all in the hope that they'll just go the f*** away

working pretty well for me as it happens

can't you focus your attention on the mooslims, they're this generations Irish, might as well be up to date
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 02:07:06 PM
Arguing over s*** that went on years ago, acting like total idiots, the loyalists the nationalists, just fcking grow up you retards.

Fcking idiots are going to be in a euro super fcking state soon enough anyway, so it dont matter if there is a north, south or even if you are a loyalist or nationalist.

Stupid backward monkeymen.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 13 July 2010, 06:35:44 PM
Was reading the paper there and apparently people tried to hijack the Enterprise train in Lurgan :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 06:41:34 PM
Wtf just seen on the news there now that a bomb went off in my village while I was at Oxegen, mad s*** :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 09:31:54 PM
Is this current spate of rioting just down to a bunch of bored teenagers getting a bit rowdy, or is there actually more to it, Decky?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 10:34:06 PM
Is this current spate of rioting just down to a bunch of bored teenagers getting a bit rowdy, or is there actually more to it, Decky?

Basically its poorly educated and gullable teenagers in socially deprived areas being told what to do by the dissidents. Also in those areas the past lingers more than ever. People my age grew up in the middle of these kind of riots and had them on a weekly basis, which makes it seem less wrong to them to behave like that. I did it years ago but thats because I was a child being encouraged to do it, once I got a bit older it just seemed like the most ridiculous and stupid thing to do. Then again, I went to uni, most of these guys grow up to sit on the dole for years.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 10:57:31 PM
Is this current spate of rioting just down to a bunch of bored teenagers getting a bit rowdy, or is there actually more to it, Decky?

Basically its poorly educated and gullable teenagers in socially deprived areas being told what to do by the dissidents. Also in those areas the past lingers more than ever. People my age grew up in the middle of these kind of riots and had them on a weekly basis, which makes it seem less wrong to them to behave like that. I did it years ago but thats because I was a child being encouraged to do it, once I got a bit older it just seemed like the most ridiculous and stupid thing to do. Then again, I went to uni, most of these guys grow up to sit on the dole for years.

Loaded question here, Deckers...but do you think it's just a coincidence that the troubles have started to kick off again just when the Tories have come back into power and are threatening to make cuts to public expenditure which will, sure as eggs is eggs, hurt the most deprived communities you mentioned earlier the hardest?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:01:37 PM
Possibly, but this kind of stuff never stopped over here. These riots happen on smaller scales regularly. Things like bomb scares etc never stopped either, although now they are going off as well. I think it is more to do with the dissidents and the growing support they are getting (which is vastly increasing). People are beginning to think this kind of behaviours is acceptable again.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:07:15 PM
Possibly, but this kind of stuff never stopped over here. These riots happen on smaller scales regularly. Things like bomb scares etc never stopped either, although now they are going off as well. I think it is more to do with the dissidents and the growing support they are getting (which is vastly increasing). People are beginning to think this kind of behaviours is acceptable again.

Yeah, I can't help wondering if having a Conservative and Unionist government at Westminster will change the dynamics a bit...could get messy in the neck of the woods again...
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:15:18 PM
Is this current spate of rioting just down to a bunch of bored teenagers getting a bit rowdy, or is there actually more to it, Decky?

Basically its poorly educated and gullable teenagers in socially deprived areas being told what to do by the dissidents. Also in those areas the past lingers more than ever. People my age grew up in the middle of these kind of riots and had them on a weekly basis, which makes it seem less wrong to them to behave like that. I did it years ago but thats because I was a child being encouraged to do it, once I got a bit older it just seemed like the most ridiculous and stupid thing to do. Then again, I went to uni, most of these guys grow up to sit on the dole for years.

Loaded question here, Deckers...but do you think it's just a coincidence that the troubles have started to kick off again just when the Tories have come back into power and are threatening to make cuts to public expenditure which will, sure as eggs is eggs, hurt the most deprived communities you mentioned earlier the hardest?

Yes, that's exactly what it is.

Republican youths are rioting over the 12th because the Tories got into power.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:22:38 PM
Is this current spate of rioting just down to a bunch of bored teenagers getting a bit rowdy, or is there actually more to it, Decky?

Basically its poorly educated and gullable teenagers in socially deprived areas being told what to do by the dissidents. Also in those areas the past lingers more than ever. People my age grew up in the middle of these kind of riots and had them on a weekly basis, which makes it seem less wrong to them to behave like that. I did it years ago but thats because I was a child being encouraged to do it, once I got a bit older it just seemed like the most ridiculous and stupid thing to do. Then again, I went to uni, most of these guys grow up to sit on the dole for years.

Loaded question here, Deckers...but do you think it's just a coincidence that the troubles have started to kick off again just when the Tories have come back into power and are threatening to make cuts to public expenditure which will, sure as eggs is eggs, hurt the most deprived communities you mentioned earlier the hardest?

Yes, that's exactly what it is.

Republican youths are rioting over the 12th because the Tories got into power.

You being sarcastic there, Messi? Not always sure with you, you see. :lol: ;)
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:24:06 PM
Is this current spate of rioting just down to a bunch of bored teenagers getting a bit rowdy, or is there actually more to it, Decky?

Basically its poorly educated and gullable teenagers in socially deprived areas being told what to do by the dissidents. Also in those areas the past lingers more than ever. People my age grew up in the middle of these kind of riots and had them on a weekly basis, which makes it seem less wrong to them to behave like that. I did it years ago but thats because I was a child being encouraged to do it, once I got a bit older it just seemed like the most ridiculous and stupid thing to do. Then again, I went to uni, most of these guys grow up to sit on the dole for years.

Loaded question here, Deckers...but do you think it's just a coincidence that the troubles have started to kick off again just when the Tories have come back into power and are threatening to make cuts to public expenditure which will, sure as eggs is eggs, hurt the most deprived communities you mentioned earlier the hardest?

Yes, that's exactly what it is.

Republican youths are rioting over the 12th because the Tories got into power.

You being sarcastic there, Messi? Not always sure with you, you see. :lol: ;)
If it helps, I see where you are coming from. While I don't think it's the main reason, I do think it is a factor.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: 80 on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:38:15 PM
Possibly, but this kind of stuff never stopped over here. These riots happen on smaller scales regularly. Things like bomb scares etc never stopped either, although now they are going off as well. I think it is more to do with the dissidents and the growing support they are getting (which is vastly increasing). People are beginning to think this kind of behaviours is acceptable again.

Yeah, I can't help wondering if having a Conservative and Unionist government at Westminster will change the dynamics a bit...could get messy in the neck of the woods again...

Had already well started, man. If you're looking for a structural explanation, you'd be way better off looking to the general economic downturn ...which of course helped bring the Tories to power in itself. Fits the trends in NI much better. But the fact is a lot of Greens were already ceasing to believe Sinn Fein's mantra that the actions taken and not taken over the past 10 years were the most likely/best way of achieving a 32 county ROI. And they're right to, frankly.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:41:39 PM
Possibly, but this kind of stuff never stopped over here. These riots happen on smaller scales regularly. Things like bomb scares etc never stopped either, although now they are going off as well. I think it is more to do with the dissidents and the growing support they are getting (which is vastly increasing). People are beginning to think this kind of behaviours is acceptable again.

Yeah, I can't help wondering if having a Conservative and Unionist government at Westminster will change the dynamics a bit...could get messy in the neck of the woods again...

They really don't care who is in power. These riots are not political with the young lads. They are just doing it because they want to, they have nowt better to do and see it as a laugh, and use the Orange marches as an excuse. The real objectors to the parades protested in the correct manner on the 12th.

The real dissidents also couldn't give a s*** who is in power in Westminster. They are more bothered with hitting the PSNI at the moment. They are encouraging the young catholic kids to riot, because they know that these kids feel dissafected and s*** on by society.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:47:21 PM
Possibly, but this kind of stuff never stopped over here. These riots happen on smaller scales regularly. Things like bomb scares etc never stopped either, although now they are going off as well. I think it is more to do with the dissidents and the growing support they are getting (which is vastly increasing). People are beginning to think this kind of behaviours is acceptable again.

Yeah, I can't help wondering if having a Conservative and Unionist government at Westminster will change the dynamics a bit...could get messy in the neck of the woods again...

Had already well started, man. If you're looking for a structural explanation, you'd be way better off looking to the general economic downturn ...which of course helped bring the Tories to power in itself. Fits the trends in NI much better. But the fact is a lot of Greens were already ceasing to believe Sinn Fein's mantra that the actions taken and not taken over the past 10 years were the most likely/best way of achieving a 32 county ROI. And they're right to, frankly.

Aye, well...I'm not claiming it's the root cause, merely remarking on it possibly being a contingent factor in all of what's developing at the moment there.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: 80 on Wednesday 14 July 2010, 11:55:43 PM
Possibly, but this kind of stuff never stopped over here. These riots happen on smaller scales regularly. Things like bomb scares etc never stopped either, although now they are going off as well. I think it is more to do with the dissidents and the growing support they are getting (which is vastly increasing). People are beginning to think this kind of behaviours is acceptable again.

Yeah, I can't help wondering if having a Conservative and Unionist government at Westminster will change the dynamics a bit...could get messy in the neck of the woods again...

Had already well started, man. If you're looking for a structural explanation, you'd be way better off looking to the general economic downturn ...which of course helped bring the Tories to power in itself. Fits the trends in NI much better. But the fact is a lot of Greens were already ceasing to believe Sinn Fein's mantra that the actions taken and not taken over the past 10 years were the most likely/best way of achieving a 32 county ROI. And they're right to, frankly.

Aye, well...I'm not claiming it's the root cause, merely remarking on it possibly being a contingent factor in all of what's developing at the moment there.

Will definitely colour things... At least some people in British power would actually kind of like NI to stay UK, which couldn't really be said before, and will alter everyone's responses to events as they occur... But as I say, if you're looking for explanations it'd probably be better to see them not as cause and effect so much as siblings born to the same mother. IF you're into that kind of structural explanation... which I'm not, really. Too neat.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 29 July 2010, 03:13:47 PM
Quote
The Newry bypass, a new road link between Belfast and Dublin, has been opened.

NI Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness and Irish premier Brian Cowen led ministers at the ceremony at Newry, County Down.

The A1 Beech Hill to Cloghogue dual carriageway has been completed five months ahead of schedule.

The 12km scheme extends around the northern and western outskirts of the city of Newry.

It replaces the final single carriageway section of the A1 Belfast to Dublin road with a dual carriageway.
New bypass The bypass means no more single carriageway stretches of road between Belfast and Dublin

The completion of the link cuts down the travel time between the two cities.

Mr Cowen said the the development would bring economic and social benefits.

Mr McGuinness said it was estimated the journey between Belfast and Dublin could be cut to 90 minutes.
Projects

He praised the continued financial support of the Irish government for other road projects.

These included improvements to the route to the port of Larne, plus a major road linking Londonderry and Dublin.

Sinn Fein's Regional Development Minister Conor Murphy, accompanied by DUP junior minister Robin Newton, said the final 7.5-mile phase of the route was completed five months ahead of schedule and cost £150m.

Earlier on Thursday, Ulster Unionist MLA for Newry and Armagh Danny Kennedy said the opening was a "red letter day" for the area.

"After many years of campaigning for the development of this section of road, I am delighted to see it officially opened," he said.
Newry bypass at Cloghogue The £150m stretch of road was completed five months ahead of schedule

Cathal Austin, vice-chairman of Newry Chamber of Commerce and manager of the Quays Shopping Centre, said the opening of the bypass was good news for traders in the city.

He said heavy vehicles could now bypass Newry, easing traffic on the roads and providing more car parking space.

"It puts about three million people within 40 minutes drive of Newry," Mr Austin said.

"Newry in the past has notoriously been a bottle-neck that has frustrated the life out of travellers between Belfast and Dublin and that bottle-neck is now at Sprucefield.

"I think people will get fed up at that bottle-neck and will take the detour into Newry."

Jack Murphy, who runs a jewellery shop in Newry, said people had been inconvenienced by the roadworks around the city for "a couple of years".

"Now that we have the new road opened, it's going to relieve all that and people are going to be delighted to get here," he said.

"They have talked about traffic coming here from the south. This also opens up avenues from the north to come down as well. If people get here easier, we are all happy."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-10795146

This is great news. The roads on the outskirts of Newry have completely changed with this new road. 90 minutes from Belfast to Dublin is brilliant as well.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 14 August 2010, 08:02:33 PM
s*** loads of explosions happening over here these days. Most dont even make the news because they are that frequent. One in Lurgan today injured 3 children and multiple controlled explosions have happened in Belfast, another in Lurgan and one of Down, all just today. They really are stepping things up a gear. There is also a dissident Loyalist group raising their head now.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Ketsbaia on Saturday 14 August 2010, 11:13:43 PM
s*** loads of explosions happening over here these days. Most dont even make the news because they are that frequent. One in Lurgan today injured 3 children and multiple controlled explosions have happened in Belfast, another in Lurgan and one of Down, all just today. They really are stepping things up a gear. There is also a dissident Loyalist group raising their head now.

Oh. I'm going to Lisburn on Monday morning. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 14 August 2010, 11:34:41 PM
Dont think you would have much to worry about in Lisburn so dont worry!
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Sunday 15 August 2010, 02:42:29 AM
It's f***ing crazy up there. At least one bomb scare a day makes the news down here. I'd love a 32 county republic but this just isn't they way to go about getting it. This could destroy all the work that has been done over the last ten years.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: adam on Sunday 15 August 2010, 09:45:59 AM
Both Irealnds are a shithole tbh.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: ross magoo on Sunday 15 August 2010, 11:42:07 AM
Surely a major part of the problem is that these "youths" don't know what is was like pre Good Friday Agreement and pre ceasefire?  There'll no doubt be people filling their heads with s**** romanticising the Troubles and it's a case of careful what you wish for, no?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 15 August 2010, 04:31:33 PM
Surely a major part of the problem is that these "youths" don't know what is was like pre Good Friday Agreement and pre ceasefire?  There'll no doubt be people filling their heads with s**** romanticising the Troubles and it's a case of careful what you wish for, no?

Its not youths who are making the bombs :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 15 September 2010, 07:40:21 PM
What do some of yous in Britain make of this then?

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100915/tuk-terror-group-in-warning-to-criminal-45dbed5.html

The stuff about them having just 100 members is bollocks btw, they would certainly have more and have tons of RIRA sympathisers.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland - RIRA to start campaign in Britain
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 5 October 2010, 12:38:45 AM
Bomb, maybe more than 1 has apparently gone off in Derry. At the Da Vincis Hotel.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Legacy on Tuesday 5 October 2010, 01:33:24 AM
Bomb, maybe more than 1 has apparently gone off in Derry. At the Da Vincis Hotel.

Confirmed on the bbc website. No injuries though.  :thup:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 13 January 2011, 03:48:33 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12179367

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GAMMELL on Thursday 13 January 2011, 04:44:35 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-12179367

 ;D ;D ;D

 :lol:

very good
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 28 January 2011, 02:20:07 PM
This is f***ing hilarious!! Fair play to her!

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/northernireland/nolan/nolan_20110127-1307b.mp3

:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Friday 28 January 2011, 05:54:02 PM
This is f***ing hilarious!! Fair play to her!

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/northernireland/nolan/nolan_20110127-1307b.mp3

:lol: :lol:

Not looking for an argument at all with you Decky, but do you want to clarify that, are you supporting what she says?

And speaking as someone who stands at these cordons constantly checking over my shoulder for people looking to kill me, I don't find it hilarious in any way.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 28 January 2011, 06:03:38 PM
Nah im not. Just saying fair play to her for ringing a show like that and voicing her extremely controversial opinions. The thing I find funny is her serious dilusions and how Nolan is completely gobsmacked, and him notorious for his massive loud mouth.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Friday 28 January 2011, 06:58:15 PM
Nah im not. Just saying fair play to her for ringing a show like that and voicing her extremely controversial opinions. The thing I find funny is her serious dilusions and how Nolan is completely gobsmacked, and him notorious for his massive loud mouth.

Fair play. I didnt need to ask really. Lets just say its been a long week.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Friday 28 January 2011, 07:06:01 PM
why do you guys bother? seriously?

i'm starting to think that sensible nations should have sent hippies over to infiltrate you years back when it became clear that potatoes were worthless and oil was genuine...would have saved so many lives
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Friday 28 January 2011, 07:22:14 PM
Nah im not. Just saying fair play to her for ringing a show like that and voicing her extremely controversial opinions. The thing I find funny is her serious dilusions and how Nolan is completely gobsmacked, and him notorious for his massive loud mouth.

Fair play to her? Bloody hell Decky! I expected the kind of hate-filled vile to be spewed by both sides 20 years ago, in fact it was because of that kind of attitude that I didn't have my kids there. People like this woman romanticise the Troubles and make it into some glorious, noble battle for freedom. It's an awful long way from the reality of what that time was really like. Bombs don't discriminate between loyalists or republicans, between Protestant or Catholic or between Soldiers, police or young children. It's re-enforced to me that I made the right decision to come back here to raise my children if these attitudes still exist in Northern Ireland today.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 28 January 2011, 07:49:58 PM
Nah im not. Just saying fair play to her for ringing a show like that and voicing her extremely controversial opinions. The thing I find funny is her serious dilusions and how Nolan is completely gobsmacked, and him notorious for his massive loud mouth.

Fair play to her? Bloody hell Decky! I expected the kind of hate-filled vile to be spewed by both sides 20 years ago, in fact it was because of that kind of attitude that I didn't have my kids there. People like this woman romanticise the Troubles and make it into some glorious, noble battle for freedom. It's an awful long way from the reality of what that time was really like. Bombs don't discriminate between loyalists or republicans, between Protestant or Catholic or between Soldiers, police or young children. It's re-enforced to me that I made the right decision to come back here to raise my children if these attitudes still exist in Northern Ireland today.

Did you live in a working class estate or anything over here? Those opinions are still alive and well in those kind of places and are very rarely voiced outside them as well. She has a controversial opinion and she knows it, but still felt it well within her right to go onto a national radio station - 'the biggest show in the country' - and voice it. I dont agree with anything she said, but I admire the fact she wasnt afraid to speak her mind on that kind of stage.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 28 January 2011, 07:53:46 PM
why do you guys bother? seriously?

Most people dont, we're happy enough with the way the country is and just get on with our lives. Id like to see the 32 counties united as one country again some day, if the Germans won the war I think a lot of English etc would feel the same about their part of the world. I dont agree with any violence however, infact I cant stand it. I dont even bother with the politics either, its not worth it. Theres more backbone, maturity and honesty in playground politics than there is in Stormont.

Best thing people can do is just ignore it and get on with their lives. I grew up in a massively republican council estate and never felt like I agreed with half the stuff they got up to, even as a kid. I hate to think I could have got sucked in and did things like resent the English. Englands a great country to me, ive family there, theres great prospects there and hell I even support an English football team!
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Friday 28 January 2011, 08:41:55 PM
Lived in a "unionist area" where the attitudes of some were the opposite of the woman on the radio but spewed with the same venomous bile. From the contact I have with people still over there, there seemed to be a much mellower feeling until last year when they said tensions felt like they were starting to rise. I guess there is a section of the communities in both the Republican and Unionist camps who would like to go back to the times of the Troubles, but I think the majority would prefer things to be done democratically. It just shocked me to hear that woman spouting that tripe on national radio.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 28 January 2011, 08:47:43 PM
Thing is though, the current situation will have a different effect within working class communities on both sides. The "unionist" side will be happy enough right now, or at least before the shootings in Antrim, as the country is at peace within the UK, which is what they want really? Where as republicans are even more wound up as it feels nothing is being done for their cause. Northern Ireland being at peace within the UK right now probably seems like a defeat for them. I could show you pictures taken in my old estate like 2 weeks ago that would give you a good insight into where they stand, but you never know who is reading!!
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Friday 28 January 2011, 08:50:04 PM
You are right. I can see what you are saying. Shame some people just can't be happy with peace.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Coco on Friday 28 January 2011, 08:53:28 PM
 :mackems:

That was some quality radio...
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Rob W on Saturday 29 January 2011, 08:50:25 AM
"republicans are even more wound up as it feels nothing is being done for their cause"

So they WANT to join Ireland in it's current state - I doubt it

They just like to have a ruckus
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 30 January 2011, 03:03:25 PM
:mackems:

That was some quality radio...

It's f***ing crazy. :idiot2: 

In fairness, she sounds like a drunk or at the least, medicated.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Saturday 2 April 2011, 10:47:11 PM
A 25 year old new recruit to the PSNI has been killed by a boobytrap under his car in Omagh. Dissident republicans have been targeting Catholic officers. Disgraceful, cowardly act.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 2 April 2011, 10:50:12 PM
Scum.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Rob W on Sunday 3 April 2011, 09:08:10 AM
Just how can you deal with these people?

There are enough idiots who protect them so they can continue with the mayhem
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 3 April 2011, 09:18:23 AM
f***ing idiots, but there's got to be more effort from Government to engage these people when they are young.  Which is essentially how they (I presume) must fall into this sort of s***.  It's far too simple to blame it on the economic climate, as some have done in the past year or so.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 8 April 2011, 05:08:29 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13009978

This is causing absolute havoc in Newry, just what is the point in this nonsense? Its going to be ridiculous over here in the build up to The Queen coming to Dublin. Why even invite her if its going to cause so much trouble? I know people will say dissidents shouldnt stop the likes of this happening, but the reality is it will cause much more trouble than it is worth.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Friday 8 April 2011, 05:26:14 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13009978

This is causing absolute havoc in Newry, just what is the point in this nonsense? Its going to be ridiculous over here in the build up to The Queen coming to Dublin. Why even invite her if its going to cause so much trouble? I know people will say dissidents shouldnt stop the likes of this happening, but the reality is it will cause much more trouble than it is worth.

Because dissident republicans still believe they have the right to blow up the country to try and get their own way. Why shouldn't the Queen be invited to Dublin? The pope came to the UK, I wasn't happy that we were wasting cash inviting him here but I didn't go round blowing up parts of the country over it.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 8 April 2011, 05:51:11 PM
I understand what they believe in and their aims, but putting a hoax under a bridge and causing absolute havoc achieves nothing. All is does is make people hate the dissidents even more, have they no recruitment aims? Even if their was a bomb, the road is quiet, the motorway above it would not have collapsed, infact it would barely have been damaged, so again, utterly pointless.

The Queen coming here is different than the Pope, yes in religious terms there are similarities, but The Queen is also the head of the British state, which is the key factor. Dissidents believe that the head of the British state shouldnt be invited to Ireland while 6 Irish counties remain under British rule, they are VERY passionate about that. Her coming here will cause a lot of trouble, not just when she is here, but in the next few weeks leading up to it, starting today with this nonsense. People may be hurt and killed in the next few weeks, Id like to see people tell their familes The Queen has every right to be invited over here. With dissidents gaining popularity fast over here, this is completely the wrong time for her to visit. The dissidents may end up doing something which will spark a reaction from loyalists, that is very possible, where would that leave us then? It will cause a lot more trouble than it is worth, so it shouldnt happen, thats my view on it. Although to be fair, why should anyone down south care? The bombs wont be anywhere near their homes.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 8 April 2011, 11:20:21 PM
Apparently there has been a bomb in Newry just a few minutes ago, theres also considerable rioting throughout the town with petrol bombs and everything being thrown. This is what we have to look forward to in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: ross magoo on Friday 8 April 2011, 11:20:59 PM
I know a catholic guy in NI with republican views but he posted on facebook yesterday that the people who have done this should f*** off, that they will not win and that they are neither wanted nor needed in this age.

We both agreed that a few years of relative peace and quiet seems to have spawned a generation who have no idea what it was like before and who have been seduced by a few old IRA men romanticising the Troubles.  These old men have been left behind by the peace process and as such have nothing to gain from its continuation.  It's f***ing sad that they're now trying to creat a new hate amongst youngsters who don't know any better.  I find it reassuring however that members of the catholic community who know what war is have no time for these f***ing clowns.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 8 April 2011, 11:28:27 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13009978

This is causing absolute havoc in Newry, just what is the point in this nonsense? Its going to be ridiculous over here in the build up to The Queen coming to Dublin. Why even invite her if its going to cause so much trouble? I know people will say dissidents shouldnt stop the likes of this happening, but the reality is it will cause much more trouble than it is worth.

Because dissident republicans still believe they have the right to blow up the country to try and get their own way. Why shouldn't the Queen be invited to Dublin? The pope came to the UK, I wasn't happy that we were wasting cash inviting him here but I didn't go round blowing up parts of the country over it.
The Pope is the leader of the Catholic church, there are Catholics in Britain. The Queen isn't wanted in the republic, never has been and never will be. It was foolish to invite her.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 8 April 2011, 11:29:19 PM
I know a catholic guy in NI with republican views but he posted on facebook yesterday that the people who have done this should f*** off, that they will not win and that they are neither wanted nor needed in this age.

We both agreed that a few years of relative peace and quiet seems to have spawned a generation who have no idea what it was like before and who have been seduced by a few old IRA men romanticising the Troubles.  These old men have been left behind by the peace process and as such have nothing to gain from its continuation.  It's f***ing sad that they're now trying to creat a new hate amongst youngsters who don't know any better.  I find it reassuring however that members of the catholic community who know what war is have no time for these f***ing clowns.
This.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 8 April 2011, 11:33:38 PM
I know a catholic guy in NI with republican views but he posted on facebook yesterday that the people who have done this should f*** off, that they will not win and that they are neither wanted nor needed in this age.

We both agreed that a few years of relative peace and quiet seems to have spawned a generation who have no idea what it was like before and who have been seduced by a few old IRA men romanticising the Troubles.  These old men have been left behind by the peace process and as such have nothing to gain from its continuation.  It's f***ing sad that they're now trying to creat a new hate amongst youngsters who don't know any better.  I find it reassuring however that members of the catholic community who know what war is have no time for these f***ing clowns.
This.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Thespence on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:11:20 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13009978

This is causing absolute havoc in Newry, just what is the point in this nonsense? Its going to be ridiculous over here in the build up to The Queen coming to Dublin. Why even invite her if its going to cause so much trouble? I know people will say dissidents shouldnt stop the likes of this happening, but the reality is it will cause much more trouble than it is worth.

Because dissident republicans still believe they have the right to blow up the country to try and get their own way. Why shouldn't the Queen be invited to Dublin? The pope came to the UK, I wasn't happy that we were wasting cash inviting him here but I didn't go round blowing up parts of the country over it.
The Pope is the leader of the Catholic church, there are Catholics in Britain. The Queen isn't wanted in the republic, never has been and never will be. It was foolish to invite her.

If she isn't wanted in the republic then who invited her?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:21:29 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13009978

This is causing absolute havoc in Newry, just what is the point in this nonsense? Its going to be ridiculous over here in the build up to The Queen coming to Dublin. Why even invite her if its going to cause so much trouble? I know people will say dissidents shouldnt stop the likes of this happening, but the reality is it will cause much more trouble than it is worth.

Because dissident republicans still believe they have the right to blow up the country to try and get their own way. Why shouldn't the Queen be invited to Dublin? The pope came to the UK, I wasn't happy that we were wasting cash inviting him here but I didn't go round blowing up parts of the country over it.
The Pope is the leader of the Catholic church, there are Catholics in Britain. The Queen isn't wanted in the republic, never has been and never will be. It was foolish to invite her.

If she isn't wanted in the republic then who invited her?
The President for some very strange reason. It's not like the country had a vote to invite her. The President probably did it as a gesture of good will.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Doops on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:27:11 AM
Apparently there has been a bomb in Newry just a few minutes ago, theres also considerable rioting throughout the town with petrol bombs and everything being thrown. This is what we have to look forward to in the coming weeks.

Only after coming down the Camlough Road. There was a small fire at the roundabout coming into Newry. Nothing much seemed to be happening. The town is dead at the minute anyway
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:28:27 AM
Apparently there has been a bomb in Newry just a few minutes ago, theres also considerable rioting throughout the town with petrol bombs and everything being thrown. This is what we have to look forward to in the coming weeks.

Only after coming down the Camlough Road. There was a small fire at the roundabout coming into Newry. Nothing much seemed to be happening. The town is dead at the minute anyway

Yeah it apparently peaked earlier, a few people were saying they couldnt get up the road coming home from the Newry City game. I was going up the road at about half 8 and there wasnt anything happening, but im hearing youths from Derrybeg were throwing petrol bombs. The bomb was apparently a controlled explosion on that van from earlier as well.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:30:00 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13009978

This is causing absolute havoc in Newry, just what is the point in this nonsense? Its going to be ridiculous over here in the build up to The Queen coming to Dublin. Why even invite her if its going to cause so much trouble? I know people will say dissidents shouldnt stop the likes of this happening, but the reality is it will cause much more trouble than it is worth.

Because dissident republicans still believe they have the right to blow up the country to try and get their own way. Why shouldn't the Queen be invited to Dublin? The pope came to the UK, I wasn't happy that we were wasting cash inviting him here but I didn't go round blowing up parts of the country over it.
The Pope is the leader of the Catholic church, there are Catholics in Britain. The Queen isn't wanted in the republic, never has been and never will be. It was foolish to invite her.

If she isn't wanted in the republic then who invited her?
The President for some very strange reason. It's not like the country had a vote to invite her. The President probably did it as a gesture of good will.

Probably did it to show how far the country has come in recent years.  To be honest, there's no probably about it as that will be the reason.

Oh well, what a mistake that was. :thup:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:32:00 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13009978

This is causing absolute havoc in Newry, just what is the point in this nonsense? Its going to be ridiculous over here in the build up to The Queen coming to Dublin. Why even invite her if its going to cause so much trouble? I know people will say dissidents shouldnt stop the likes of this happening, but the reality is it will cause much more trouble than it is worth.

Because dissident republicans still believe they have the right to blow up the country to try and get their own way. Why shouldn't the Queen be invited to Dublin? The pope came to the UK, I wasn't happy that we were wasting cash inviting him here but I didn't go round blowing up parts of the country over it.
The Pope is the leader of the Catholic church, there are Catholics in Britain. The Queen isn't wanted in the republic, never has been and never will be. It was foolish to invite her.

If she isn't wanted in the republic then who invited her?
The President for some very strange reason. It's not like the country had a vote to invite her. The President probably did it as a gesture of good will.

Probably did it to show how far the country has come in recent years.  To be honest, there's no probably about it as that will be the reason.

Oh well, what a mistake that was. :thup:

The Republic is fine, its up north where the trouble will happen. Not by the people either, just by a small minority, but if that minority has guns and bombs what can the majority really do about it?
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Doops on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:36:10 AM
Apparently there has been a bomb in Newry just a few minutes ago, theres also considerable rioting throughout the town with petrol bombs and everything being thrown. This is what we have to look forward to in the coming weeks.

Only after coming down the Camlough Road. There was a small fire at the roundabout coming into Newry. Nothing much seemed to be happening. The town is dead at the minute anyway

Yeah it apparently peaked earlier, a few people were saying they couldnt get up the road coming home from the Newry City game. I was going up the road at about half 8 and there wasnt anything happening, but im hearing youths from Derrybeg were throwing petrol bombs. The bomb was apparently a controlled explosion on that van from earlier as well.

Yeah we went to Camlough at about 10 and back down for 12 so it obviously didnt last long. Probably a few wee lads on a carry out. Its spreading around the town that theres mass riots ffs
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:39:26 AM
Apparently there has been a bomb in Newry just a few minutes ago, theres also considerable rioting throughout the town with petrol bombs and everything being thrown. This is what we have to look forward to in the coming weeks.

Only after coming down the Camlough Road. There was a small fire at the roundabout coming into Newry. Nothing much seemed to be happening. The town is dead at the minute anyway

Yeah it apparently peaked earlier, a few people were saying they couldnt get up the road coming home from the Newry City game. I was going up the road at about half 8 and there wasnt anything happening, but im hearing youths from Derrybeg were throwing petrol bombs. The bomb was apparently a controlled explosion on that van from earlier as well.

Yeah we went to Camlough at about 10 and back down for 12 so it obviously didnt last long. Probably a few wee lads on a carry out. Its spreading around the town that theres mass riots ffs

Facebook going mad like, the way there were going on I thought the town was in chaos - those 4 words have been said so many times tonight on Facebook as well. I live in Belleek now like but my ones were leaving my granny back into the beg at around 11 and all they seen was a small fire on a round about :lol:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Saturday 9 April 2011, 12:39:49 AM
There's no easy answer, but one thing you can't do is give in in terms of not doing stuff they're against.  The horrible answer is an increased army presence which I can only guess won't go down well, but again, there's no easy way out.  The real hope this time around is no-one has an appetite for it any more.  Just need to let justice take its course. 
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 9 April 2011, 11:17:05 AM
The horrible answer is an increased army presence 
Yeah, because that really worked the last time. Bring in the army and the dissidents get more support
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Saturday 9 April 2011, 11:26:17 AM
I know quite a few people who live in the South who really don't give a f*** about the Queen's visit. To say "nobody wants her there" isn't quite accurate. Some people aren't bothered by her visit at all, some people see her visit as a sign of progress. To give into the dissident republicans would be to step massively back into the past.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 9 April 2011, 11:30:14 AM
I know quite a few people who live in the South who really don't give a f*** about the Queen's visit. To say "nobody wants her there" isn't quite accurate. Some people aren't bothered by her visit at all, some people see her visit as a sign of progress. To give into the dissident republicans would be to step massively back into the past.
I think the feeling is more of indifference rather than showing how far we've come. The south has been fine since the Civil War ended (in the 20s). She'll be here for awhile and then she'll go away and most of us just won't pay any attention to it. There's definitely no one I know going "Oh yeah! The Queen is coming!"
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Saturday 9 April 2011, 11:40:04 AM
I know quite a few people who live in the South who really don't give a f*** about the Queen's visit. To say "nobody wants her there" isn't quite accurate. Some people aren't bothered by her visit at all, some people see her visit as a sign of progress. To give into the dissident republicans would be to step massively back into the past.
I think the feeling is more of indifference rather than showing how far we've come. The south has been fine since the Civil War ended (in the 20s). She'll be here for awhile and then she'll go away and most of us just won't pay any attention to it. There's definitely no one I know going "Oh yeah! The Queen is coming!"

Tbh though, indifference is progress. It sounds stupid, and I'm not saying it's a brilliant idea to have the Queen visit the South, but the very fact she is visiting is progress. It was 1911 when the last British Monarch visted Ireland.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Saturday 9 April 2011, 02:03:51 PM
The horrible answer is an increased army presence 
Yeah, because that really worked the last time. Bring in the army and the dissidents get more support

Yeah, remove the part where I more or less say that, then reiterate the point to make it look like you've told me something. :nope:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 9 April 2011, 05:51:57 PM
3 days of fannying around down south, while people up north have to put up with weeks of bomb scares and other nonsense. Nice.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 9 April 2011, 06:27:04 PM
I don't see why the British taxpayer should have to fund the Queen visiting Dublin and the Pope visiting the UK. That's a bit f***ed up.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: ross magoo on Saturday 9 April 2011, 06:51:31 PM
I don't see why the British taxpayer should have to fund the Queen
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 9 April 2011, 07:16:51 PM
I don't see why the British taxpayer should have to fund the Queen

I just said the very same thing, t*** face.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 18 April 2011, 05:47:22 PM
Another bomb alert in Newry today. This time its actually in the city centre, near the Court House where the explosion was last year. Town is in chaos again, honestly id love to know why Newry is being targetted.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 23 April 2011, 10:30:48 PM
So ex-Provos known as the 'Mainstream IRA' have claimed responsibility for Kerr's murder. How many republican dissident groups are there now? RIRA, ONH, CIRA Belfast, CIRA Limerick, RNU, 32County Sovereignty, RSF, RRSF and the latest of course - Mainstream IRA. How long before there are dissident loyalist groups and we drop the term dissident? Its all very worrying, especially at this time of year with tomorrow being Easter Sunday and elections/the Queens visit around the corner.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Rob W on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 08:59:36 AM
sounds like someone is leaking like a sieve - the police are finding arms and people all over the shop
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 09:21:40 AM
So the news this morning has the IRA basically declaring war on the police, does this mean we have a terror war on our door step.  Do we have the right to t*** these nobs and run a dirty unseen war?

Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 11:12:02 AM
So the news this morning has the IRA basically declaring war on the police, does this mean we have a terror war on our door step.  Do we have the right to t*** these nobs and run a dirty unseen war?



It has to be stopped. The dissident republicans are targeting Catholic police officers to incite fear and terror into the Catholic community and basically bully them into supporting their causes. "Support us or we'll kill our own". They can't wait for a loyalist response so that they can then start bleating on about how the loyalists are just as bad, and I just hope they have to keep on waiting. The best thing the loyalists can do is not respond. It's time that the authorities and the communities got tough with these idiots and told them that terrorism is not going to be accepted.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 01:39:06 PM
People are doing that. There are peace walks etc being organised and theres a "Not In My Name" campaign. But the reality is, theres not much people can actually do to stop these people. The troubles are only 'over' for 13 years, all those involved back then are still around now with the memories of the troubles fresh in their minds and a lot of them are losing faith in Sinn Fein and returning to the gun. This sort of thing will never go away, Ireland has a history of violence dating back 100s of years, the Republic was established off the back of an IRA campaign, as long as 6 counties are still under British rule you will still get people picking up the gun. Things are different here, its not like other countries that fought wars and reverted to politics, not since this one was partitioned.

I can tell you as well, these dissidents have plenty of support and are becoming more and more active, for example they gathered on the street outside my grandparents house in the early hours of last night and fired gunshots into the air, just because they could I guess. Im watching the NI news as I write this and most of the show was taken up with reports about RIRA rallys, bomb factory raids, bomb scares and dissidents in court as it is every single week these days. Its up to the police to stop these people and we have seen before that they just arnt capable of doing that, ultimately its up to the people of N.Ireland to stand by peace and not be tempted by these dissident factions.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 26 April 2011, 04:20:28 PM
People are doing that. There are peace walks etc being organised and theres a "Not In My Name" campaign. But the reality is, theres not much people can actually do to stop these people. The troubles are only 'over' for 13 years, all those involved back then are still around now with the memories of the troubles fresh in their minds and a lot of them are losing faith in Sinn Fein and returning to the gun. This sort of thing will never go away, Ireland has a history of violence dating back 100s of years, the Republic was established off the back of an IRA campaign, as long as 6 counties are still under British rule you will still get people picking up the gun. Things are different here, its not like other countries that fought wars and reverted to politics, not since this one was partitioned.

I can tell you as well, these dissidents have plenty of support and are becoming more and more active, for example they gathered on the street outside my grandparents house in the early hours of last night and fired gunshots into the air, just because they could I guess. Im watching the NI news as I write this and most of the show was taken up with reports about RIRA rallys, bomb factory raids, bomb scares and dissidents in court as it is every single week these days. Its up to the police to stop these people and we have seen before that they just arnt capable of doing that, ultimately its up to the people of N.Ireland to stand by peace and not be tempted by these dissident factions.
Great post.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: toonlass on Monday 16 May 2011, 01:36:31 PM
Large parts of central London have been cordoned off after Irish republican dissidents issued a bomb threat, police have disclosed.

Bomb disposal experts carried out a controlled explosion as a security alert closed down the centre of the capital around Buckingham Palace and Trafalgar Square.

A suitcase was discovered abandoned outside a hotel and was destroyed in a controlled explosion at 9.30am.

It comes a day before the Queen is scheduled to make her first ever visit to the Republic of Ireland.

Security was heightened after a "non-specific" threat was issued to authorities last night.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "A bomb threat warning has been received relating to central London today. The threat is not specific in relation to location or time."

Police closed down Trafalgar Square and the Mall and carried out searches in sewers after discovering a disturbed manhole cover.

Members of the Yard's Marine Support Unit have entered the sewers on the Mall close to St James's Palace to carry out searches.

Londoners were urged to go about their business as usual but to look out for "unusual activity or behaviour" in a statement issued by police.

Scotland Yard officers were working with the City of London Police and British Transport Police, with all officers "advised to be highly vigilant to ensure the safety of London".

The threat level from Irish-related terrorism has not increased and remains at substantial, meaning that an attack is a strong possibility, police added.

A terror expert has said the security alert on the Mall blamed on Irish dissidents could have happened because Dublin was seen as "too difficult" a target.

Crispin Black said the Queen's historic visit to Ireland has caused widespread anger amongst republican extremist groups.

It is believed today's security alert on the Mall was sparked by a caller using a known republican code word.

Mr Black, a Sandhurst-trained Falklands veteran who now works as a security expert also said that the alert could have been extremists showing that they "are still there."

He said dissident republicans had been left "extremely angry" about the Queen's visit and added: "It is their way of showing that they are in a position to make these visits more difficult.

"From what I have seen going on in Dublin it is going to be quite difficult to do anything there – it has been locked down.

"Maybe they decided that Dublin was too difficult so they decided to so something in London just to show that they are still there."
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Rob W on Monday 16 May 2011, 01:42:12 PM
People are doing that. There are peace walks etc being organised and theres a "Not In My Name" campaign. But the reality is, theres not much people can actually do to stop these people. The troubles are only 'over' for 13 years, all those involved back then are still around now with the memories of the troubles fresh in their minds and a lot of them are losing faith in Sinn Fein and returning to the gun. This sort of thing will never go away, Ireland has a history of violence dating back 100s of years, the Republic was established off the back of an IRA campaign, as long as 6 counties are still under British rule you will still get people picking up the gun. Things are different here, its not like other countries that fought wars and reverted to politics, not since this one was partitioned.

I can tell you as well, these dissidents have plenty of support and are becoming more and more active, for example they gathered on the street outside my grandparents house in the early hours of last night and fired gunshots into the air, just because they could I guess. Im watching the NI news as I write this and most of the show was taken up with reports about RIRA rallys, bomb factory raids, bomb scares and dissidents in court as it is every single week these days. Its up to the police to stop these people and we have seen before that they just arnt capable of doing that, ultimately its up to the people of N.Ireland to stand by peace and not be tempted by these dissident factions.

Decky

do you think that if the North was merged with the South these nutters would give up their guns and take up darts?  or would they find another "cause"??
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 16 May 2011, 02:28:45 PM
Hard to say really, but Ireland has shown before it can give up the gun, both in the north and south.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Monday 16 May 2011, 02:36:13 PM
f***ing hell, if it was muslims in the middle east they would have been bombed to f*** by now.

Seriously f*** off you w*****s.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 11:48:14 AM
Several bomb scares south of the border today.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 02:20:24 PM
Just seen someone I know on Sky News organising the protests :facepalm: Nothing wrong with protesting like, it's your right to do that if you don't agree with something, but hopefully it doesnt kick off. Plus everyone will just be labelling those protesters as dissidents as well, which not all of them are.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 02:31:40 PM
Protesting what? The stupid c***s.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 02:36:07 PM
Protesting what? The stupid c***s.

Queen visiting Ireland while part of the island still remains under her rule. Some are also protesting things like the cost of the visit when the country is broke.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 02:49:46 PM
Protesting what? The stupid c***s.

Queen visiting Ireland while part of the island still remains under her rule. Some are also protesting things like the cost of the visit when the country is broke.


Erm we bailed them out , we can visit anytime we want.  We own them.  :shifty:
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 02:56:24 PM
Just seen someone I know on Sky News organising the protests :facepalm: Nothing wrong with protesting like, it's your right to do that if you don't agree with something, but hopefully it doesnt kick off. Plus everyone will just be labelling those protesters as dissidents as well, which not all of them are.
Don't think it will kick of myself, thankfully. Tomorrow at Croker will be the toughest bit I reckon, if we get through that it'll all go fine.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:01:01 PM
It is terrible seeing Edna K in an official position though. Gobshite.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:27:57 PM
Very powerful moment at the Garden of Remembrance.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:29:03 PM
Just seen someone I know on Sky News organising the protests :facepalm: Nothing wrong with protesting like, it's your right to do that if you don't agree with something, but hopefully it doesnt kick off. Plus everyone will just be labelling those protesters as dissidents as well, which not all of them are.
Don't think it will kick of myself, thankfully. Tomorrow at Croker will be the toughest bit I reckon, if we get through that it'll all go fine.

A lot of people will be outraged by God Save The Queen being played at the Garden of Remembrance as well. You can even hear them whistling.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Shak on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:29:49 PM
Can't believe it's costing 25m to have her and Obama over for a visit. :lol:

Better things to be spending money on I would have thought. Suppose the country is more or less f***ed anyway, may as well take the p*ss.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:30:29 PM
Just seen someone I know on Sky News organising the protests :facepalm: Nothing wrong with protesting like, it's your right to do that if you don't agree with something, but hopefully it doesnt kick off. Plus everyone will just be labelling those protesters as dissidents as well, which not all of them are.
Don't think it will kick of myself, thankfully. Tomorrow at Croker will be the toughest bit I reckon, if we get through that it'll all go fine.

A lot of people will be outraged by God Save The Queen being played at the Garden of Remembrance as well. You can even hear them whistling.
God Save the Queen is nothing compared to the Queen laying a wreath at the Garden of Remembrance. Should be a proud moment for anyone with any Republican beliefs.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:31:21 PM
Can't believe it's costing 25m to have her and Obama over for a visit. :lol:

Better things to be spending money on I would have thought. Suppose the country is more or less f***ed anyway, may as well take the p*ss.
Moneygal is a shithole and they're s*** at hurling too. Hayes pub is getting good very advertising but it's still s***.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: GAMMELL on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:35:10 PM
Nightmare trying to get about Dublin at the mo :lol:

Sick to death of those b****** choppers flying about also, noisy as f***
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:39:48 PM
Fintan O'Toole on Sky FFS! Why do you constantly show the worst of Ireland.
Title: Re: Northern Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:49:00 PM
May as well edit the thread title :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GAMMELL on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:51:16 PM
Was thinking that  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:52:36 PM
Would it be too controversial to just call it Ireland?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:53:19 PM
Would it be too controversial to just call it Ireland?

Someone would make a Northern Ireland thread thinking this one isnt relevant, im looking at you Blef :shifty:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:56:20 PM
Would it be too controversial to just call it Ireland?

Someone would make a Northern Ireland thread thinking this one isnt relevant, im looking at you Blef :shifty:
:shifty:
What you did there, I saw it :shifty:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:58:00 PM
there she is, looking at a laptop, being shown some memes.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 03:58:39 PM
She's reading this thread :frantic:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 04:00:01 PM
there she is, looking at a laptop, being shown some memes.
Not just any memes man, ancient Celtic memes!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: 80 on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 04:08:10 PM
Would it be too controversial to just call it Ireland?

A British Isles thread is the way forward :snod:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 04:09:42 PM
Would it be too controversial to just call it Ireland?

A British Isles thread is the way forward :snod:

May as well just save the clutter and have an Ireland thread and a separate thread for those in Britain :pow:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 04:11:42 PM
Maybe we should see what Morrissey has to say on the subject?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 05:53:50 PM
Did I hear that right, did someone ask William Hague if Ireland should stick by the Euro, revert back to the Punt or.... adopt Stirling?!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 05:59:01 PM
Did I hear that right, did someone ask William Hague if Ireland should stick by the Euro, revert back to the Punt or.... adopt Stirling?!
Yeah, Sunday World though so I wouldn't any any attention :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ronaldo on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 06:51:48 PM
No wonder most of the world's Irishmen are running pubs in the US, UK or Australia. What a f***ing horrible place. Scum.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 06:59:51 PM
No wonder most of the world's Irishmen are running pubs in the US, UK or Australia. What a f***ing horrible place. Scum.
  ???
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: joeyt on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 07:30:23 PM
Didn't realise how much the Queen looked like a coin
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 17 May 2011, 09:45:00 PM
Sky News have been very good at acknowledging the existence of the War of Independence. Very surprised but happy at the same time. Future looks good for Anglo-Irish relations. Only 21 arrests in Dublin today is also very good, the Gardaí did a fantastic job today.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: 2sheds on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 12:18:01 PM
Can't believe it's costing 25m to have her and Obama over for a visit. :lol:

Better things to be spending money on I would have thought. Suppose the country is more or less f***ed anyway, may as well take the p*ss.
25 million is a bargain considering how much damage we have done to Ireland over the centuries.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 03:11:49 PM
Lar Corbet, Padraic Maher, mary mac and Christy Cooney explain the rules of hurling to the Queen :lol:
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/301107320.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1305729312&Signature=TR5n0FtDi%2B%2Bo03fsQQs7O9UIavI%3D)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 03:25:43 PM
Mary Robinson would have done it like.

Spoiler
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Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 03:28:14 PM
:spit:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 06:39:55 PM
Why the f*** were there UDA members at the memorial garden ceremony?!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 06:42:04 PM
Why the f*** were there UDA members at the memorial garden ceremony?!
Martin Mac invited them. Show unity and all that.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 06:42:22 PM
Orange Order down there as well :facepalm:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 06:43:11 PM
They whole thing is reflecting great on us though :snod:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 08:57:22 PM
Queen spoke Irish :kasper:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 18 May 2011, 08:57:41 PM
she knows more than i do too!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: 2sheds on Thursday 19 May 2011, 11:56:44 AM
Queen spoke Irish :kasper:
And played a f***ing blinder giving that speech.

I'm not a fan of the royals but I have a soft spot for the Queen, and I've got to say she's the only person in the world who could done this.

The Irish President saying 'wow' 3 times at the start of the Queens speech is something I'll remember for a long long time.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 19 May 2011, 07:30:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Abi3hgIxtNM

They've some nerve those Guards. Ive heard loads of stories about them this week as well.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Dave on Friday 20 May 2011, 01:02:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN-FgtlKRT0&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Rob W on Friday 20 May 2011, 08:32:06 AM
she seems to have spent all her time apologising

I'd like to see a compulsory "ENGLAND SCREWED THE IRISH FOR CENTURIES" area Dublin airport immediately after Immigration - once you'd passed through that you wouldn't have to look at another local exhibit of English oppression anywhere else in the country
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 23 May 2011, 03:57:17 PM
Obama's visit is mint :snod: Hes on the rip as we speak.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 23 May 2011, 03:57:58 PM
Think he's mortal.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 23 May 2011, 04:07:41 PM
the obama visit is annoying me but i'm not a fan of his
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ronaldo on Monday 23 May 2011, 04:10:42 PM
the obama visit is annoying me but i'm not a fan of his

Well put.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Monday 23 May 2011, 04:37:53 PM
Haven't bothered with this. Non event really, just a waste of tax payers money.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Monday 23 May 2011, 06:21:26 PM
Had no choice but to watch the speech. It was so f***ing over the top it wasn't funny. Problem is the people there obviously bough it... :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: 2sheds on Tuesday 24 May 2011, 07:42:54 PM
Les Paul - are you talking about the Queen or Obama in your last two 'I'm not really interested ' posts?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 24 May 2011, 07:44:46 PM
Les Paul - are you talking about the Queen or Obama in your last two 'I'm not really interested ' posts?
Obama. I was hoping to avoid the whole thing but then the powers that be put on the telly.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 21 June 2011, 12:12:37 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13851316

Loyalist scumbags.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Tuesday 21 June 2011, 02:31:37 AM
So you don't understand where these guys are coming from then..?  bluelaugh.gif
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 21 June 2011, 10:11:03 PM
More tonight apparently. Lovely, just what we need.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 21 June 2011, 10:23:03 PM
Apparently they are surrounding one of the catholic churches, and also went in to one of the nearby shopping centres and forced the catholic workers to leave. Im also hearing that shots have been fired once again tonight. The most interesting thing about this is the UVF's involvement, werent they supposed to have decommissioned?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 21 June 2011, 10:24:42 PM
This s*** doesn't sound good. Last thing we want is this s*** getting even more prominent.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 08:08:55 AM
More shots fired last night, they even shot a photographer. This is all the UVF, really worrying. This page started out with positive stuff too and now we're talking about shootings again :facepalm:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 05:38:09 PM
It was dissident republicans that shot the photographer.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 05:53:30 PM
The UVF are the cause of the trouble.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 06:28:25 PM
Indeed.  Just seems daft that the dissidents were aiming their fire at the media.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 11:27:25 PM
Sounds like a great time to be heading into Belfast on the lash... :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 11:29:50 PM
More tonight?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 11:56:58 PM
Sounds like a great time to be heading into Belfast on the lash... :lol:

On a week where the entire world will be watching Northern Ireland after McIlroy's win at the Open.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 22 June 2011, 11:59:46 PM
You'll be grand man, you'll see nothing.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Thursday 23 June 2011, 02:42:50 AM
(http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2011/05/PA-9573337-390x285.jpg)

Brilliant to see.  Rory McIlroy, a born catholic, yet proud to call himself a Northern Irish man.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 15 July 2011, 11:40:30 PM
Chaos in Portadown tonight.

Hundreds rioting, every bar in town forced to close early.  Petrol bombs and gun shots going off, 1 cop's been shot.

The troubles are returning.  :undecided:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 12:21:42 AM
Same in Newry apparently.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 16 July 2011, 12:58:42 AM
Well just so long as you f***ers keep it contained within your own wretched shores. We don't need IRA bombs on top of the other security threats.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:11:34 AM
Should have thought about that before.... never mind.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:19:06 AM
Any IRA s*** on these shores again and we should just end them all.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:20:20 AM
Should have thought about that before.... never mind.

Oh, right...yeah. I forgot it was all our fault.

(http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/AlanPartridge.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:21:59 AM
Worst thing England could have done was partition the island. They asked for these paramilitaries when they did that. They should have gave the whole island up and washed their hands with the whole affair.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:29:24 AM
Worst thing England could have done was partition the island. They asked for these paramilitaries when they did that. They should have gave the whole island up and washed their hands with the whole affair.

Yeah, great idea. Then the Catholic could have done a bit of religious genocide and cleaned up the island, ridding it of Proddie scum. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:33:12 AM
In other, non sectarian, Northern Ireland news.

2 Lithuanian clans going at it in Lurgan.  One clan burst into another rival members house, beat him to a pulp then gang raped his girlfriend for 7 hours.

When it rains it pours.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:34:06 AM
In other, non sectarian, Northern Ireland news.

2 Lithuanian clans going at it in Lurgan.  One clan burst into another rival members house, beat him to a pulp then gang raped his girlfriend for 7 hours.

When it rains it pours.

Send the buggers back.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:36:51 AM
Worst thing England could have done was partition the island. They asked for these paramilitaries when they did that. They should have gave the whole island up and washed their hands with the whole affair.

Yeah, great idea. Then the Catholic could have done a bit of religious genocide and cleaned up the island, ridding it of Proddie scum. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait...

So alternatively they split a country up and subjected Catholics in the north to the same treatment and gave not just Ireland but England decades worth of killings, bombings and the rest.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:41:29 AM
Worst thing England could have done was partition the island. They asked for these paramilitaries when they did that. They should have gave the whole island up and washed their hands with the whole affair.

Yeah, great idea. Then the Catholic could have done a bit of religious genocide and cleaned up the island, ridding it of Proddie scum. :rolleyes:

Oh, wait...

So alternatively they split a country up and subjected Catholics in the north to the same treatment and gave not just Ireland but England decades worth of killings, bombings and the rest.

Yeah I know. s*** happens. People are mobile and have freedom of movement and free will. They didn't have to stay.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:42:06 AM
It's completely pointless arguing about like, no side is suddenly gonna turn around and agree with the other sides point of view.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:48:20 AM
It's completely pointless arguing about like, no side is suddenly gonna turn around and agree with the other sides point of view.

Yeah, probably. :dontknow:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 16 July 2011, 01:51:40 AM
Even though if catholics here wanted to be part of Ireland all they need to do is move down south.































:troll:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 02:22:04 AM
Why dont all the prods go back to Scotland :razz: Right enough though, what was the trouble in Portadown about? I always thought it was mainly if not all unionist?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 16 July 2011, 02:42:07 AM
It is, aye.  One nationalist area but there's nearby bridges and stuff that connect with proper loyalist areas.

On bonfire night the UVF were there telling people they weren't allowed to riot, but obviously the nationalists were still gonna go at it, meeting over nearby bridges etc where you can throw bricks/golfballs, blocking off areas etc, so tonight a crowd of about 500 lead by the UVF/UDA have taken it upon themselves to go mad.  Half the towns been blocked off.

There's rumours goin round that south armagh IRA are gonna retaliate, if that happens jesus.  Gonna be f***ed.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 02:55:14 AM
I live in the middle of south Armagh and cant say ive heard anything.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 16 July 2011, 03:03:51 AM
Thought it might have been bullshit.

Although the ra have no qualms with bombing portadown so you never know.  :lol:  :undecided:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 03:06:37 AM
Im heading to Belfast tomorrow for the Antrim vs Down game. Linfield play Rangers tomorrow and there are strong rumours of some serious trouble at this tomorrow after events in Belfast this week. Apparently on forums etc online people are talking about "the big fenian match" and how its going to "be fun afterwards". w*****s, ill be wearing my Down colours and sticking to pubs near Casement Park.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 16 July 2011, 03:08:18 AM
Thought it might have been bullshit.

Although the ra have no qualms with bombing portadown so you never know.  :lol:  :undecided:

Dissidents dont have enough to take on the loyalists right now, so I cant see them doing anything. What worries me more is the actions of the UVF recently. Shouldnt they be happy with a peaceful Northern Ireland in the union? Seems like they are trying their best recently to egg on Republicans. The last thing they should be doing is helping the dissident recruitment drive.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 24 October 2011, 09:56:43 PM
Thoughts on the Presidential Election then? I'd like to see McGuinness win, which might not go down well with a few! :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Monday 24 October 2011, 11:18:13 PM
Have a murdering b****** as President? Sure, why the hell not? Every other third world country has the same, after all...
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 24 October 2011, 11:28:22 PM
Have a murdering b****** as President? Sure, why the hell not? Every other third world country has the same, after all...

Well "murdering b******s" are already running the show in Northern Ireland. He joined the IRA as a very young man, at a time when Catholics were 2nd class citizens who couldnt get jobs, vote or own their own homes. Very dark times with no hope on the horizon, no wonder young men seen the IRA as a solution when older men at the time were alive for the Irish War of Independence and were preaching to them. Absolutely no evidence to suggest McGuinness himself killed or played a part in the murder of anyone either, no one knows what activities he did for the IRA. I'm more interested in the work McGuinness did for peace in Ireland, a role recognised by American Presidents, UK and Irish Prime Ministers, and a role that was rewarded with the Deputy First Minister position.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 24 October 2011, 11:29:37 PM
going to just close my eyes and see where the pencil lands since the job means f*** all really
Title: Re: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Monday 24 October 2011, 11:43:46 PM
Have a murdering b****** as President? Sure, why the hell not? Every other third world country has the same, after all...

Well "murdering b******s" are already running the show in Northern Ireland. He joined the IRA as a very young man, at a time when Catholics were 2nd class citizens who couldnt get jobs, vote or own their own homes. Very dark times with no hope on the horizon, no wonder young men seen the IRA as a solution when older men at the time were alive for the Irish War of Independence and were preaching to them. Absolutely no evidence to suggest McGuinness himself killed or played a part in the murder of anyone either, no one knows what activities he did for the IRA. I'm more interested in the work McGuinness did for peace in Ireland, a role recognised by American Presidents, UK and Irish Prime Ministers, and a role that was rewarded with the Deputy First Minister position.

The Martin McGuinness I grew up seeing on the news was the head of the IRA. A terrorist. A murderer. Maybe I just heard that all wrong though. Perhaps instead of bombing innocent civilians, he was fighting for the freedom of oppressed Catholics... ???
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: madras on Monday 24 October 2011, 11:53:11 PM
Have a murdering b****** as President? Sure, why the hell not? Every other third world country has the same, after all...

Well "murdering b******s" are already running the show in Northern Ireland. He joined the IRA as a very young man, at a time when Catholics were 2nd class citizens who couldnt get jobs, vote or own their own homes. Very dark times with no hope on the horizon, no wonder young men seen the IRA as a solution when older men at the time were alive for the Irish War of Independence and were preaching to them. Absolutely no evidence to suggest McGuinness himself killed or played a part in the murder of anyone either, no one knows what activities he did for the IRA. I'm more interested in the work McGuinness did for peace in Ireland, a role recognised by American Presidents, UK and Irish Prime Ministers, and a role that was rewarded with the Deputy First Minister position.

The Martin McGuinness I grew up seeing on the news was the head of the IRA. A terrorist. A murderer. Maybe I just heard that all wrong though. Perhaps instead of bombing innocent civilians, he was fighting for the freedom of oppressed Catholics... ???
though he didn't pull any triggers we had blair and the west alaways enjoyed having menachem begin round for tea or yitzhak shamir, gadaffi was blair's mate and we loved saddam for a long while. at least they muredred innocent people for what "they" saw as the greater good. you get the feeling that now they'd be more accepting of someone who murdered purely for profit.
Title: Re: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GeordieMessiah on Tuesday 25 October 2011, 08:02:07 AM
Have a murdering b****** as President? Sure, why the hell not? Every other third world country has the same, after all...

Well "murdering b******s" are already running the show in Northern Ireland. He joined the IRA as a very young man, at a time when Catholics were 2nd class citizens who couldnt get jobs, vote or own their own homes. Very dark times with no hope on the horizon, no wonder young men seen the IRA as a solution when older men at the time were alive for the Irish War of Independence and were preaching to them. Absolutely no evidence to suggest McGuinness himself killed or played a part in the murder of anyone either, no one knows what activities he did for the IRA. I'm more interested in the work McGuinness did for peace in Ireland, a role recognised by American Presidents, UK and Irish Prime Ministers, and a role that was rewarded with the Deputy First Minister position.

The Martin McGuinness I grew up seeing on the news was the head of the IRA. A terrorist. A murderer. Maybe I just heard that all wrong though. Perhaps instead of bombing innocent civilians, he was fighting for the freedom of oppressed Catholics... ???
though he didn't pull any triggers we had blair and the west alaways enjoyed having menachem begin round for tea or yitzhak shamir, gadaffi was blair's mate and we loved saddam for a long while. at least they muredred innocent people for what "they" saw as the greater good. you get the feeling that now they'd be more accepting of someone who murdered purely for profit.

True enough. The lines are very blurred these days between supposed "good" and "evil"...and there's a perversity in our public conscience that says State-sponsored or corporate murder is tolerable for the greater good, but killing in the name of a religion, or in the name of freedom, isn't...

Wish the world was as black and white as our club strip... :undecided:

Just as long as they don't elect Dana as their President...it's fine by me.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 16 November 2011, 05:42:08 PM
Police in Northern Ireland consider using mini drones

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56755000/jpg/_56755927_drone.jpg)

Police aerial surveillance in Northern Ireland may be about to take on a whole new form - one that belongs more to the world of sci-fi and the future.

The PSNI is considering the use of mini drones to combat crime and the dissident republican threat.

They are not the large missile carrying drones used by the US military.

It is understood the models being considered are small enough to fit into a rucksack and can be assembled and deployed within minutes.

Aeryon Labs, the Canadian manufacturers of one of these unmanned aerial vehicles, known by the military as UAVs, say it snaps together as easily as children's building blocks.

It might look like a toy - but it's anything but.

It is fitted with a camera that automatically tracks a subject, can relay live pictures back to the operator, has a three kilometre range and flies at ground speeds of 50 kilometres an hour.

The UAVs are described as game changing technology - policing from the sky. Indeed, one source told me they could act as modern day watch towers.

Security sources say border areas like south Armagh are where the use of the technology would be most valuable because they can cover large areas at a fraction of the cost of a helicopter.

They are not so easy to use in built-up urban areas, where they're also governed by tighter regulations.

Because of potential risks to other aircraft and people on the ground, the Civil Aviation Authority must grant permission for UAVs to take to the skies.

The CAA has confirmed to the BBC that it has already had discussions with the PSNI about possible drone deployment.

The drones, or UAVs, used by law enforcement agencies around the world, have already been deployed by some UK police forces.

But there have been problems. A drone used by police in Liverpool crashed into the river Mersey. In addition there were red faces when police discovered they hadn't obtained the necessary CAA permission.

At a time when policing budgets are under pressure, there is a strong economic argument for their deployment.

The latest police helicopter cost £7m when it was bought last year.

Adding up the figures, maintenance, fuel and pilot salaries, running the police's fleet of three helicopter costs over £1.5m every year.

A police drone could cost at most £150,000 and, powered by batteries and able to remain airborne for up to seven hours, the running costs are substantially lower.

In a statement to the BBC, the PSNI said it constantly reviews the availability of new equipment and technology but at this stage has no immediate plans to buy any UAVs.

Earlier this year, the police were given a quarter of a billion pounds of additional funding to combat the threat from dissident republicans.

If the police decide to deploy UAVs, they have the option of using some of this special security fund, or finance the purchase from the normal policing budget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15759537 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15759537)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 16 November 2011, 06:03:11 PM
Enda K and his bitch Eamonn want to bring in student fees and cut the grant. c***s.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Wednesday 16 November 2011, 07:49:38 PM
Police in Northern Ireland consider using mini drones

(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56755000/jpg/_56755927_drone.jpg)

Police aerial surveillance in Northern Ireland may be about to take on a whole new form - one that belongs more to the world of sci-fi and the future.

The PSNI is considering the use of mini drones to combat crime and the dissident republican threat.

They are not the large missile carrying drones used by the US military.

It is understood the models being considered are small enough to fit into a rucksack and can be assembled and deployed within minutes.

Aeryon Labs, the Canadian manufacturers of one of these unmanned aerial vehicles, known by the military as UAVs, say it snaps together as easily as children's building blocks.

It might look like a toy - but it's anything but.

It is fitted with a camera that automatically tracks a subject, can relay live pictures back to the operator, has a three kilometre range and flies at ground speeds of 50 kilometres an hour.

The UAVs are described as game changing technology - policing from the sky. Indeed, one source told me they could act as modern day watch towers.

Security sources say border areas like south Armagh are where the use of the technology would be most valuable because they can cover large areas at a fraction of the cost of a helicopter.

They are not so easy to use in built-up urban areas, where they're also governed by tighter regulations.

Because of potential risks to other aircraft and people on the ground, the Civil Aviation Authority must grant permission for UAVs to take to the skies.

The CAA has confirmed to the BBC that it has already had discussions with the PSNI about possible drone deployment.

The drones, or UAVs, used by law enforcement agencies around the world, have already been deployed by some UK police forces.

But there have been problems. A drone used by police in Liverpool crashed into the river Mersey. In addition there were red faces when police discovered they hadn't obtained the necessary CAA permission.

At a time when policing budgets are under pressure, there is a strong economic argument for their deployment.

The latest police helicopter cost £7m when it was bought last year.

Adding up the figures, maintenance, fuel and pilot salaries, running the police's fleet of three helicopter costs over £1.5m every year.

A police drone could cost at most £150,000 and, powered by batteries and able to remain airborne for up to seven hours, the running costs are substantially lower.

In a statement to the BBC, the PSNI said it constantly reviews the availability of new equipment and technology but at this stage has no immediate plans to buy any UAVs.

Earlier this year, the police were given a quarter of a billion pounds of additional funding to combat the threat from dissident republicans.

If the police decide to deploy UAVs, they have the option of using some of this special security fund, or finance the purchase from the normal policing budget.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15759537 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-15759537)

I want one now!
Can't see it somehow,do you know we now only have one police dog team on duty at any time for the whole of N.Ireland.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 20 January 2012, 01:07:58 PM
Colin Duffy has been found not guilty of Massereene Barracks shootings, Brian Shivers has just been found guilty and sentenced to life.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: PENKAAA on Sunday 22 January 2012, 01:53:37 AM
Two bombings in Derry recently i think.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Sunday 22 January 2012, 01:19:06 PM
Two bombings in Derry recently i think.

Aye, it was a load of s**** though. They were no more bombs than something I could throw together from under the kitchen sink. The only issue was that the whole city centre was evacuated, and roads were closed for a few hours. As for damage or risk to human life, I'd say it was minimal.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 10 July 2012, 11:28:46 PM
It's that wonderful time of year again. Here is some of that famous orange charm:

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/483221_3698265054183_1872985536_n.jpg)

FWIW, the names are of those murdered on bloody Sunday.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 02:13:17 AM
Aye, saw that earlier. This entire country is a f***ing embarrassment...
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 08:07:50 AM
Hopefully the orange marches stay north of the border. They were talking about marching in the republic. No thanks.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 10:31:01 AM
Hopefully the orange marches stay north of the border. They were talking about marching in the republic. No thanks.

10,000 of them are heading to Newry for their "big" march tomorrow! :yikes:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 02:57:16 PM
Hopefully the orange marches stay north of the border. They were talking about marching in the republic. No thanks.
last time they tried one it started a small riot in Dublin
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Fenham Mag on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 03:45:37 PM
Boring dark ages s***. No place in the modern world.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 06:12:23 PM
Hopefully the orange marches stay north of the border. They were talking about marching in the republic. No thanks.
last time they tried one it started a small riot in Dublin

Yeah I remember that. You'd hope they'd remember it too.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 06:50:02 PM
Was doing my driving lesson on the roads they're marching down in Newry tomorrow. It's unbelievable. Union flags and bunting everywhere in a nationalist area, even hanging off police stations! I wonder if the police would mind if I went down on Friday and hung a tri colour up? I'd be f***ing arrested. There really is going to be hell on tomorrow too in Crumlin and Ardoyne, particularly Ardoyne if the orange marchers protest at the same time as the republican march.

Also, some idiots have been going around grabbing GAA flags from people's houses and burning them, as well as spray painting loyalist trash on the houses of those hanging the GAA flags. If the country is to move on fully then these antagonistic marches need to be either cancelled or isolated in to communities that support them.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 07:29:23 PM
why are they allowed to march through nationalist areas? Its just asking for idiots to cause trouble
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 11 July 2012, 08:21:58 PM
why are they allowed to march through nationalist areas? Its just asking for idiots to cause trouble

Because they have the right to walk anywhere they want apparently. Queens highway and all that. The fact is, the Orange Order is made up of loyalists and hard line unionists and these marches have 1 agenda and that is to antagonise and demonstrate a show of strength to 'the other side' in a time when everyone else is moving on. Probably the three main marches this year are Newry, Ardoyne and Crumlin. All have a vast majority of nationalists. The people in these areas don't want the marches and have had zero say on the matter, as always.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 13 July 2012, 05:50:33 PM
Here they are in all their glory marching in circles outside a catholic church. You have to laugh at them attacking the camera man because he was filming them in the act.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10150909650115756)

This video shows a man being attacked by Orange Order members because he films them marching in circles outside a Catholic Chirch in what is a blatant sectarian and intimidatory action. The drum used is also emblazoned with "YCV", which stands for "Young Citizen Volunteers" a paramilitary youth wing attached to the UVF deathsquad. They are also heard playing 'The Famine Song'', an anti-Irish racist song played by Scottish loyalists which includes the line "The Famine is over, why don't you go home?"
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 13 July 2012, 05:57:56 PM
its like they ask themselves how can we be more of a bunch of dicks
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 11 September 2012, 12:59:48 AM
Rory McIlroy undecided over GB or Ireland Olympic spot

Competitors from Northern Ireland have the choice of representing either Great Britain or Ireland and McIlroy acknowledged that he is in "an extremely sensitive and difficult position"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/19552073 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/golf/19552073)

:scared:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 11 September 2012, 02:12:15 PM
well there went our hopes of a gold

still if thats his choice thats his choice, I'm certainly not going to judge
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 3 December 2012, 11:29:57 PM
Trouble erupts in Belfast after council votes to change Union flag policy

Five police officers have been hurt during disorder in Belfast that erupted minutes after the council voted to change its policy on the Union flag.

A number of loyalist protesters tried to force their way into Belfast City Hall where the vote took place.

Two security staff at the hall and a press photographer were also injured. Separately, trouble broke out on the Lower Newtownards Road in east Belfast.

The council voted to fly the flag only on 15 designated days during the year.

The decision marks a change to the current policy by which the flag is displayed outside the building 365 days a year, but the council's decision has angered many loyalists.

Some of the protesters who had gathered outside the city hall used metal barriers, bottles and golf balls to attack police.

Head injuries

A PSNI spokeswoman said they had deployed additional resources to deal with public disorder in both central and east Belfast.

There was an attempt to hijack a bus on the Albertbridge Road, and there are reports that St Matthew's Catholic Church has come under attack.

Of the five officers who were hurt, two policewomen have been taken to hospital with injuries that are not believed to be life threatening.

The Press Association (PA) also said that one of its photographers has sustained a head injury after getting caught up in the violence at the city hall.

The vote was called when nationalist councillors - who now hold a majority on the council - proposed a motion to remove the Union flag completely.

However, both Sinn Fein and the SDLP backed a compromise amendment, proposed by the Alliance party, to display the flag on designated days, in line with the current policy at Stormont.

The Alliance motion was passed by 29 votes to 21.

'No surrender'

Minutes later, a number of loyalist protesters broke through the rear gates of the grounds of the city hall and tried to force open the doors of the building.

BBC Northern Ireland's political reporter, Martina Purdy, who was at the scene, said one security guard appeared to be bleeding from a head wound while a policewoman had sustained a hand injury.

She said the protesters had shouted "shame" and "no surrender" when they broke into the courtyard of Belfast City Hall, waving flags.


Ahead of the meeting, some of the protesters gave their opinions to BBC Newsline's Gareth Gordon
A pane of glass was shattered as the demonstrators tried to break open the doors of the 106-year-old building.

Windows were also smashed on a number of cars parked within the courtyard, including a vehicle belonging to a DUP councillor.

'Mob rule'

SDLP councillor, Tim Attwood, who took part in the vote, said: "This was an appalling spectacle, resulting in significant damage to property and, most alarmingly, injury to a number of those seeking to keep city hall secure, and our thoughts are with those who were hurt.

"Any attempt at a resort to mob rule cannot be countenanced," Mr Attwood said.

Marie Hendron from Alliance said she believed the violence had been "orchestrated". She said it was a "disaster for this city".

'Raising tensions'
Ahead of the vote, more than 1,000 loyalists gathered in May Street to protest about the proposal to change the flag policy.

Nationalist councillors had argued that removing the flag would create a more equal and neutral environment in a divided city.

However, Unionist councillors accused Sinn Fein and the SDLP of "raising tensions" and abusing their majority on the council.

Combined, Sinn Fein and the SDLP now outnumber unionist councillors by 24 to 21.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20587538 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20587538)

Video:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=289447507841969 (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=289447507841969)

These knackers are impossible to keep happy.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Monday 3 December 2012, 11:39:28 PM
This f***ing country. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Wednesday 5 December 2012, 11:43:39 PM
Alliance Party Carrickfergus office attacked and set on fire

Police officers have been injured and the Alliance Party's office in Carrickfergus has been attacked after trouble flared following a loyalist flag protest.

Two men and two women have been arrested following the violence.

Police said that about 1,500 people had gathered at the Irish Gate roundabout earlier on Wednesday.

They were protesting against Belfast City Council's decision to stop flying the union flag every day.

The crowd dispersed but some people stayed behind, trouble broke out and missiles, bottles and masonry were thrown at police.

The violence continued in nearby West Street, where Alliance MLA Stewart Dickson has a constituency office.

It was ransacked and the rioters tried to set it on fire. The building was smoke damaged.

Police fired a number of baton rounds at the crowd. They said a number of officers were injured in the riot.

By 22:20 GMT on Wednesday, police said that the trouble had come to an end, although they were maintaining a presence in Carrickfergus.

Meanwhile, Alliance leader David Ford has requested that the Northern Ireland Assembly be recalled on Thursday to discuss the attack.

He said what had happened was "a direct assault on democracy of the worst possible kind".

"I believe there is now a heavy responsibility on Peter Robinson and Mike Nesbitt to provide an alternative kind of leadership which would divert people away from the kind of trouble," he said.

DUP MP Sammy Wilson has condemned the attack.

"People are entitled to peacefully protest but there is absolutely no justification for the carnage which has been caused in Carrickfergus this evening," he said.

"Those involved do a disservice to the flag they claim to defend. Today, in the House of Commons, several MPs backed the union flag being flown from city hall, however this criminal behaviour undermines and distracts from the argument.

"I urge those involved to step back from this criminal activity and channel their energies through democratic politics."

Ulster Unionist leader Mike Nesbitt MLA said violence was legally and morally wrong.

"What unionism needs today is brains, not brawn. We need an analysis, a strategy and an agreed outcome.'

"I am happy to talk to anyone, if they commit to repent and desist from violence."

Jim Allister, TUV, said the violence was "utterly wrong" and was not the way forward.

Meanwhile, in the centre of Lurgan, County Armagh, another loyalist flag protest has taken place.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20619259 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20619259)

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Thursday 6 December 2012, 12:56:23 AM
seriously wondering if this kind of crap will ever end
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Thursday 6 December 2012, 09:12:49 AM
Just finished a 15 hour shift, the majority of it spent outside the offices mentioned above. Back in in less than 9 hours too, I really should get to bed!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: palnese on Thursday 6 December 2012, 09:22:57 AM
My mam spent a week in Ireland in November. She loved it, absolutely loved it. The people, the nature. Pretty much everything.

Never been to Eire myself, but I'd love to go someday,
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 6 December 2012, 10:01:25 AM
seriously wondering if this kind of crap will ever end

Looks like a solution has finally been found:

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NI to be physically separated from Ireland

In a bold move, the Assembly have unveiled plans to separate Northern Ireland from the island of Ireland. All connections with both Ireland and the United Kingdom will be severed and the country will be renamed Ulsterland.

The final decision was passed in Stormont last night, after a select committee decided that the only way to solve the dispute over whether Northern Ireland should be part of Ireland or Britain was to make Northern Ireland its own island, independent of both.

To further appease community tensions, Ulsterland’s national holiday will be 15 May (half way between St Patrick’s Day and the Twelfth of July), the national colour will be sludge brown (the colour you get from mixing orange and green), the national flag will be bootlegged from the French (a red, white and blue tricolour), and the national anthem will be a new composition featuring Lambegs and bodhrans, entitled “God Save the Soldier Song”.
But not everyone is happy with the decision. A new debate has sparked over where the newly created island should be placed, with nationalist parties arguing that the island should be located close to the west coast of Ireland, and unionists arguing that it should be located offshore from south east England. To avoid serious fallout, the select committee ruled that Ulsterland will be placed beside France.

DUP MLA Randy Johnston explained: “By putting Ulsterland next to France, we can ensure that years of built up hatred can be properly directed in the universally accepted way. At the French.”

SDLP member John Newbury added: “It’s really the best way forward. Those stuck in the past will be too busy enjoying the warmer climate and disliking our new French neighbours to care about anything else.”
An investigation on how to detach soon-to-be Ulsterland from the island of Ireland has already begun, with prominent local geologists putting forth their theories.

Professor Jane Campbell from the University of Ulster has suggested that the 400 tonnes of fireworks and black cat bangers that were seized throughout the province over Halloween could be used to blast the two parts of the island apart. She explained: “Once separated, the newly created island can be easily floated on the large deposit of hatred and bigotry that’s built up over the years.”


Ulsterland’s new location will be placed in Bay of Biscay. © 2012 Google
Several details are yet to be decided, such as how Ulsterland will work with international traders to ensure that food and drink supplies make their way to the new island as normal. Riots broke out in Lurgan last week when the distributors of Buckfast claimed that that there could be a five week delay in shipping the popular alcoholic beverage to the country. However First Minister Peter Robinson was quick to act, promising he “would do everything within his power to ensure something so culturally significant to the people of Lurgan would remain in good supply.” The local army are expected to be drafted in to airlift crates of the tonic wine into the town.

http://ulsternews.org/11/ni-to-be-seperated-from-ireland/22 (http://ulsternews.org/11/ni-to-be-seperated-from-ireland/22)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Thursday 6 December 2012, 10:06:51 AM
:lol:

God save the Soldier Song is f***ing quality.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Thursday 6 December 2012, 01:34:14 PM
Saw this on Facebook...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTvFC7QNc0Q
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Thursday 6 December 2012, 08:17:58 PM
 :mackems: :mackems:
Title: Re: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: pi_D on Thursday 6 December 2012, 09:15:18 PM
seriously wondering if this kind of crap will ever end

Looks like a solution has finally been found:

Quote
NI to be physically separated from Ireland

In a bold move, the Assembly have unveiled plans to separate Northern Ireland from the island of Ireland. All connections with both Ireland and the United Kingdom will be severed and the country will be renamed Ulsterland.

The final decision was passed in Stormont last night, after a select committee decided that the only way to solve the dispute over whether Northern Ireland should be part of Ireland or Britain was to make Northern Ireland its own island, independent of both.

To further appease community tensions, Ulsterland’s national holiday will be 15 May (half way between St Patrick’s Day and the Twelfth of July), the national colour will be sludge brown (the colour you get from mixing orange and green), the national flag will be bootlegged from the French (a red, white and blue tricolour), and the national anthem will be a new composition featuring Lambegs and bodhrans, entitled “God Save the Soldier Song”.
But not everyone is happy with the decision. A new debate has sparked over where the newly created island should be placed, with nationalist parties arguing that the island should be located close to the west coast of Ireland, and unionists arguing that it should be located offshore from south east England. To avoid serious fallout, the select committee ruled that Ulsterland will be placed beside France.

DUP MLA Randy Johnston explained: “By putting Ulsterland next to France, we can ensure that years of built up hatred can be properly directed in the universally accepted way. At the French.”

SDLP member John Newbury added: “It’s really the best way forward. Those stuck in the past will be too busy enjoying the warmer climate and disliking our new French neighbours to care about anything else.”
An investigation on how to detach soon-to-be Ulsterland from the island of Ireland has already begun, with prominent local geologists putting forth their theories.

Professor Jane Campbell from the University of Ulster has suggested that the 400 tonnes of fireworks and black cat bangers that were seized throughout the province over Halloween could be used to blast the two parts of the island apart. She explained: “Once separated, the newly created island can be easily floated on the large deposit of hatred and bigotry that’s built up over the years.”


Ulsterland’s new location will be placed in Bay of Biscay. © 2012 Google
Several details are yet to be decided, such as how Ulsterland will work with international traders to ensure that food and drink supplies make their way to the new island as normal. Riots broke out in Lurgan last week when the distributors of Buckfast claimed that that there could be a five week delay in shipping the popular alcoholic beverage to the country. However First Minister Peter Robinson was quick to act, promising he “would do everything within his power to ensure something so culturally significant to the people of Lurgan would remain in good supply.” The local army are expected to be drafted in to airlift crates of the tonic wine into the town.

http://ulsternews.org/11/ni-to-be-seperated-from-ireland/22 (http://ulsternews.org/11/ni-to-be-seperated-from-ireland/22)

Fantastic :spit:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Thursday 6 December 2012, 10:32:22 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Dave on Friday 7 December 2012, 08:42:33 PM
http://twitpic.com/bjxpt0 (http://twitpic.com/bjxpt0)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Friday 7 December 2012, 11:21:47 PM
Laugh all you like but i have just had to change boots as they were on fire!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 8 December 2012, 05:08:08 PM
The behavior of this lot over the past few days has been nothing short of disgraceful, and some of the knackers have the cheek to say the protests are peaceful. Is burning tricolours and walking around with signs saying "no surrender" peaceful? Not in my book, it's provoking. Also it's now known that loyalist paramilitaries are behind all the trouble:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20651159 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20651159)

I seen this earlier as well:

(http://i50.tinypic.com/34rc3v9.jpg)

I hope this s**** isn't the beginning of the dark ages for Northern Ireland again, but it just goes to show it's never went away for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 8 December 2012, 07:17:29 PM
well, the first post in this thread is from 2009 and that's about violence. The violence might have died down after the Good Friday Agreement but I don't think it ever really went away.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 8 December 2012, 07:22:34 PM
Seems a pretty f***ing stupid decision to lower the flag like. What logical reason is there to rock the boat like that?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Saturday 8 December 2012, 07:28:43 PM
Seems a pretty f***ing stupid decision to lower the flag like. What logical reason is there to rock the boat like that?

It's a process of "normalisation". Places like Buckingham Palace don't fly the flag 24/7 365 days a year, so why should it be done in Belfast? I heard a guy on the radio the other day saying that the "unionist identity" is being chipped away, and that people need to take a stand. Apparently "if your dog keeps biting you, you eventually have to give it a slap". This is the mindset that we need to eradicate. Sometimes I think this country is beyond saving, just let them burn the f***er to the ground.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 8 December 2012, 07:39:00 PM
Buckingham Palace is a bit different because the flag's position changes based on whether the Queen's home.

What will happen if we do nothing? Nothing.

What will happen if we announce we're sometimes taking the flag down? Probably loyalist riots.

Err... Let's take it down.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 8 December 2012, 07:56:05 PM
It was part of the Good Friday Agreement that the flag should only be flown 17 days of the year, so this was happening anyway. The reason behind it is the two flags, Irish and British are flags which represent both 'sides' here, one flag being shown is seen as unwelcoming etc for the other side. Belfast is a mixed city, why show a flag that only represents one background? There were three solutions, fly both flags, fly none and fly the Union flag on certain occasions during the year.

It sounds ridiculous when you look at it as simply a flag, but flags and symbols mean a lot to people here and finding common ground with these issues is part of normalizing life here. It isn't a case of just leaving it up there and nothing happening if it's left there, far from it, nationalists have been trying to get the flag down for years, Unionists would be doing the same if it was a tricolour up there.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 8 December 2012, 07:59:25 PM
I completely see where you're coming from Decky, it just sounds to me like rocking the boat unnecessarily. When governing somewhere like Belfast, there's probably enough reasons for it to kick off every now and then without the city council creating one themselves.

Can they not just fly the Northern Irish flag? I suppose that's seen as a loyalist symbol too.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 8 December 2012, 08:02:52 PM
I completely see where you're coming from Decky, it just sounds to me like rocking the boat unnecessarily. When governing somewhere like Belfast, there's probably enough reasons for it to kick off every now and then without the city council creating one themselves.

Can they not just fly the Northern Irish flag? I suppose that's seen as a loyalist symbol too.

Under that logic why not just fly both flags?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 8 December 2012, 08:42:00 PM
The irony in all this is that the tricolour is the best flag to use.  It represents peace in Ireland (green representing one side, orange the other and white in between both representing the peace between them). It's just the Irish tricolour has become the symbol for nationalism here because it's the flag of the Republic and there is no way it could ever been used unless the place is united.

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 9 December 2012, 12:41:09 AM
why not just fly the Ulster flag
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 9 December 2012, 02:34:48 AM
why not just fly the Ulster flag

3 Ulster counties are in the Republic, so I'm sure someone would have a problem with that.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Legacy on Sunday 9 December 2012, 04:16:25 AM
Everyone always has something to moan about in this bloody country.. it's the flag at the moment, before it was road signs saying 'welcome to Northern Ireland' god knows how that was offensive..
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 9 December 2012, 06:30:44 AM
Everyone always has something to moan about in this bloody country.. it's the flag at the moment, before it was road signs saying 'welcome to Northern Ireland' god knows how that was offensive..

:lol:

Should just read "Welcome" tbh.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 9 December 2012, 09:09:50 AM
It does seem mental to rock the boat, but if it was part of an agreement set up, what, nearly 10 years ago?  They've have plenty of time to use the democratic process to delay, stop or debate the issue. 

The Loyalists both in Northern Ireland, and here, in shitstain Glasgow, are nothing other than Pure Sub-Human Scum.  I must admit, I have not seen the same level of behaviour from Republicans, short of moronic Celtic fans and their ill-conceived/thought-through anti-poppy agenda.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 9 December 2012, 11:12:29 AM
Everyone always has something to moan about in this bloody country.. it's the flag at the moment, before it was road signs saying 'welcome to Northern Ireland' god knows how that was offensive..

As stupid as it is, the government here should know not to do things that identify Northern Ireland as totally separate from the south as it'll only kick up some stick with republicans. The south have signs on the border saying "Welcome to Louth", "Welcome to Donegal" etc, the best thing to do was just have "Welcome to Derry", "Armagh" etc.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Friday 21 December 2012, 07:30:50 PM
Close to three weeks on and this hasn't gotten any better.

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Union flag protests lead to bus services suspended and roads blocked.
he majority of bus services in and out of Belfast city centre have been suspended due to loyalist flag protests.

A number of roads have been blocked, including the Knock dual carriageway, the Donegall Road at Broadway and the M2 off-slip at Fortwilliam.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20818125 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20818125)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Friday 4 January 2013, 12:53:58 AM
...And one month later and they're still at it, can't see it stopping any time soon either. :undecided:

Quote
Eight officers have been injured after police came under attack from a crowd throwing petrol bombs and other missiles in east Belfast. Disorder broke out at about 18:30 GMT during a protest on Albertbridge Road. One officer needed hospital treatment, but he has since been released. A car has also been set on fire in Templemore Avenue. Two people have been arrested. A PSNI spokeswoman said the crowd that attacked police was about 100 strong.

Last month, 29 PSNI officers were injured as a result of protest-related violence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20903960 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20903960)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 4 January 2013, 01:17:29 AM
f***ing hell, I actually thought this had died down.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Friday 4 January 2013, 04:46:40 PM
They had a Christmas break, but obviously attacking the police is too much fun too leave off any longer.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Legacy on Friday 4 January 2013, 05:20:22 PM
I blame call of duty, they're all playing capture the flag.. 100XP to get the flag back to city hall!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 4 January 2013, 08:48:00 PM
So some loyalists are going down to Dublin on the 12th January to protest about the tricolour being flown above the Dail. They'll be f***ing lynched.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 4 January 2013, 09:45:22 PM
it really should be a german flag over it since they're the ones really in charge
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 5 January 2013, 03:01:38 AM
More violence and more police injured again tonight.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 5 January 2013, 04:01:39 AM
I tell you what, that asshole Willie Frazer isn't helping. I heard earlier that he was down in Belfast mouthing tonight, he's also the one organizing that protest in Dublin next week (as well as the love Ulster one years ago and we all know how that went down). He was hanging around one of the most republican parts of Newry last week holding a union flag too. Locking him up would be a good start to helping resolve matters.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 5 January 2013, 04:10:26 AM
not quite sure how he's able to justify to anyone to have a protest in dublin about it. it doesn't make any sense and reeks of just looking for a fight
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 5 January 2013, 04:15:59 AM
Apparently they are "sarcastically" asking for it to be taken down. They seem to think that asking to take the tricolour down in Dublin is as ludicrous as asking to take the union flag down in Belfast. Willie Frazer is a notorious bigot, although he knows about the divided communities here, he behaves as if his unionist community has the divine right to everything, and how dare anyone bring any Irishness in to these 6 British counties.

I think the w***** lives around my neck of the woods too because he's always around here. Last year he wanted to have a unionist march through the mostly nationalist south Armagh village of Whitecross about 2 miles from me, which had the potential to be chaos, so much so it ended up not taking place iirc. His stance throughout the entire thing was that it's a British road and British people have to right to go down there! :lol: He's a maniac.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 5 January 2013, 04:23:39 AM
he might have a point if the morons in the dail had ordered it to be taken down but considering it was taken down by the elected belfast council it just seems rather stupid.

though given this is the same guy who organised the love ulster march in the most logical place possible (Dublin, Leinster) I shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 5 January 2013, 04:59:57 PM
It just gets better and better, this.

Quote
Police are investigating reports that shots have been fired at them during rioting in east Belfast on Saturday.

A 38-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of attempted murder.

About 100 loyalists attacked officers with bricks, bottles, fireworks and smoke canisters. Police used water cannon in response.

Earlier on Saturday, up to 1,000 loyalists protested outside Belfast City Hall over the decision to fly the union flag only on designated days.

Police are advising motorists to avoid the Lower Newtownards Road area.

Two other men were arrested during the trouble which happened close to the nationalist Short Strand area.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20922038 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20922038)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 5 January 2013, 05:11:37 PM
good grief
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 6 January 2013, 12:28:35 AM
I'm starting to think this could be the start of everything kicking off again. All this s**** isn't going to end any time soon, it's only a matter of time before these w*****s protest too close to republican areas (see incidents this week near the Short Strand), what happens if republicans (youths etc) start fighting back in these conflict zones? This entire thing is a mess and the so called leaders of this place need to get their act into gear, as do the PSNI and stamp these protests out. No where near enough is being done here.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Sunday 6 January 2013, 03:53:54 AM
It could possibly end up as a period of sustained violence on the level we are currently seeing however there is very, very little chance of going back to the troubles type violence as no one wants it. It would take a huge incident from one side, to generate enough popular support for such violence.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 6 January 2013, 05:57:15 AM
It would never be the same level of violence in this place though. It would escalate, as it normally does. It just needs to be nipped in the bud now.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Sunday 6 January 2013, 10:56:28 AM
It's all ramping up towards the 11th apparently when they aim to bring the whole country to a standstill.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 6 January 2013, 10:11:30 PM
What are they planning?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Monday 7 January 2013, 10:08:45 AM
Just protests and road closures everywhere at once. To be honest Police are pretty much stretched fully now with 5 or six different locations at once. If they were to have say 20 simultaneous large protests I don't know how it would be policed.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Monday 7 January 2013, 01:26:24 PM
The Union Jack is the flag of the United Kingdom, something that Northern Ireland belongs to.  Taking it down was a p*ss take simply because it was always going to create this kind of trouble.

An idiotic decision that has once again dragged us into the past.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 7 January 2013, 02:17:18 PM
It's done the complete opposite Messi. You know as well as I do that while Northern Ireland constitutionally is part of the UK, this is very much a shared country. Those kind of "British only" values drag us in to the past. Common ground has to be found with these issues, the flag isn't down completely, it is still going up for certain days of the year, just like other places in the UK. There's no tricolour up there, the Union Flag is still the only flag that flies over Belfast City Hall, hardly a p*ss take.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Monday 7 January 2013, 11:40:20 PM
More rioting again tonight, short strand again as well as in Dundonald.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 8 January 2013, 07:32:06 PM
This article from last year man:

IRA HQ claim over school's Italian flag

Willie Frazer hit out at St Patrick's Primary in Donaghmore, posting a picture of the school flying the flags of Poland, Turkey and Italy on Facebook.

Seeming to mistake the red in the Italian flag for orange and thinking it was an Irish flag, he commented: "This is a school in Tyrone flying the Irish flag on the school grounds why".

The 51-year-old founder of Families Acting for Innocent Relatives also claimed the school was "the junior headquarters of SF/IRA youth, or it may as well be".

"I wounder do they also train the children in how to use weapons, for it seems they can do what they wont. [sic]"

The school was flying the flags as part of a European project, during which 11 teachers from the countries represented visited the school.


http://www.u.tv/News/IRA-HQ-claim-over-schools-Italian-flag/a415e119-9230-4265-b9d5-a16348618fac (http://www.u.tv/News/IRA-HQ-claim-over-schools-Italian-flag/a415e119-9230-4265-b9d5-a16348618fac)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

The only thing more laughable than this moron are the clowns who follow him.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 8 January 2013, 08:32:01 PM
Is Saturday just a protest or is there a march as well? Like, will they stay in the Leinster House area or will they be in other places?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 8 January 2013, 08:44:50 PM
Is Saturday just a protest or is there a march as well? Like, will they stay in the Leinster House area or will they be in other places?

Just outside Leinster House I think.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 8 January 2013, 09:02:15 PM
or wherever their search for a fight leads them
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Tuesday 8 January 2013, 09:35:51 PM
Hopefully it'll stay up around Leinster House. :undecided:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 8 January 2013, 10:41:08 PM
Hopefully the guards will cut the c***s off at the border and send them packing.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 9 January 2013, 10:12:35 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/427764_10151443315683313_2146851329_n.jpg)

;D
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 9 January 2013, 05:35:17 PM
Random British mother rescues Willie Frazer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3wNjRnRx7Y#ws)

What's going on here? :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 10 January 2013, 05:22:21 AM
Here's a rather terrible synopsis of the situation: http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-ongoing-riots-in-n (http://www.buzzfeed.com/ellievhall/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-ongoing-riots-in-n)


Note the update at the end of the article.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Dave on Thursday 10 January 2013, 01:16:53 PM
This is a stupid question, but is there a reason they can't just fly both UK and NI flags?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 10 January 2013, 01:24:32 PM
This is a stupid question, but is there a reason they can't just fly both UK and NI flags?

NI flag isn't an official flag anymore IIRC. Also the NI flag is a unionist flag as well. If there were two flags to represent 'both sides' then it would be the union flag and Irish tricolour, but the unionists/loyalists will never in a million years settle for the tricolour being up there, the riots now would be childs play compared to that situation.

The irony of that is the Irish tricolour is the perfect flag to fly because: " ... the symbolism behind each colour as being that of green representing the Gaelic tradition of Ireland (Catholics), orange representing the followers of William of Orange in Ireland (Protestants), and white representing the aspiration for peace between them."

The current situation with designated days is compromise from nationalists too, even though unionists say it isn't. There are two situations, it flies every day or it doesn't fly at all, ever. Flying it for designated days is definitely meeting in the middle imo.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 11 January 2013, 12:59:42 AM
why not use the flag the northern football side uses, or hell just make one up like the Cricket and Rugby teams did
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 11 January 2013, 11:25:36 AM
why not use the flag the northern football side uses, or hell just make one up like the Cricket and Rugby teams did

Because no one gives a s**** apart from those few morons on the street.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 15 January 2013, 12:41:31 PM
Brian Shivers has Massereene murders conviction quashed

A terminally ill man jailed for murdering two soldiers at Massereene Army base in Antrim has had his conviction quashed.

Brian Shivers, 46, from Magherafelt, appealed the verdict that he was guilty of murdering Sappers Mark Quinsey, 23, and 21-year-old Patrick Azimkar in March 2009.

The victims were shot by the Real IRA as they collected pizza.

On Tuesday, the Court of Appeal ruled the verdict was unsafe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21029185 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-21029185)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 20 January 2013, 08:15:45 PM
Opening concert for Derry City of Culture on BBC red button now. Me lass is at it with her fam. May be terrible, but I have to watch!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Oz on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 07:09:42 PM
Sad that people of England have to sit and read Decky's blatant Republican bigotry.

Haven't seen you mention the decision to name a children's playground after a convicted IRA gunman in your home of Newry?????
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 07:12:37 PM
ah christ lets not start one of these debates
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: SEMTEX on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 07:14:39 PM
:lol: This fella has made like 10 posts, 1 defending Williamson over Colo, multiple saying Danny Simpson is a good defender, and a handful saying how s*** Anita is. He's clueless, just let him be.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 07:15:47 PM
:lol: Decky is hardly a bigot, jesus wept. Let's leave this kind of s*** out of it and have some kind of sensible discussion.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 07:34:49 PM
:lol: This fella has made like 10 posts, 1 defending Williamson over Colo, multiple saying Danny Simpson is a good defender, and a handful saying how s*** Anita is. He's clueless, just let him be.
:lol: :lol:
It looks like he's just trying to wind people up, sad thing is he probably believes everything he's said.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 08:45:17 PM
Sad that people of England have to sit and read Decky's blatant Republican bigotry.

Haven't seen you mention the decision to name a children's playground after a convicted IRA gunman in your home of Newry?????


:lol: No guesses what side of the fence you're on here, good of you to come on and post between protests though so fair play.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 11:24:04 PM
Sad that people of England have to sit and read Decky's blatant Republican bigotry.

Haven't seen you mention the decision to name a children's playground after a convicted IRA gunman in your home of Newry?????


:lol: No guesses what side of the fence you're on here, good of you to come on and post between protests though so fair play.
To be fair, having read through a sizeable chunk of this thread, you do seem to be coming at this whole subject matter, very much from a one-sided perspective. Indeed a fair whack of the posts I've just gone through are very much anti-unionist in flavour, so 10 posts or not, it's not an entirely unfounded post.
Personally I can't be arsed arguing about this subject matter on here (or anywhere else on the interweb) as I'm here for Newcastle United first and foremost and nor will I as we all have a love for this club and I don't want to drive a wedge between us.
Having said all that, while I'm here, I might as well post something.
As a unionist I've found some of the comments/opinions on here, disappointing to say the least.
The flag protests are a farce imho, they should stop immediately, no question about it, but this thread does seem to me, to be very one-sided overall.
Incidentally, Willie Frazer wouldn't be my cup of tea either, but he (and more importantly his family) have paid a very heavy price in defence of this country, with 5 immediate members (including his own Father) murdered by terrorists whilst serving in the security services.
Unfortunately he's not alone in that fact mores the pity.
Equally the whole "Love Ulster" thing is just one big trolling exercise, but why wouldn't "fellow Irishmen" be welcomed with open arms in "the Capital"
Strange? Do people from the Republic NOT love Ulster? Do the Shinners NOT love Ulster? Thought here was hot property and we were all going to get together in a big Oirish lovefest at some point in the near future?
Anyhoo, there's my two pences worth on the worlds most BORING subject. :sleepy2:

And before anybody else gets in there, I'll do it myself

tl; dr  :banana:

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 11:28:40 PM
Sad that people of England have to sit and read Decky's blatant Republican bigotry.

Haven't seen you mention the decision to name a children's playground after a convicted IRA gunman in your home of Newry?????


:lol: No guesses what side of the fence you're on here, good of you to come on and post between protests though so fair play.
To be fair, having read through a sizeable chunk of this thread, you do seem to be coming at this whole subject matter, very much from a one-sided perspective. Indeed a fair whack of the posts I've just gone through are very much anti-unionist in flavour, so 10 posts or not, it's not an entirely unfounded post.
Personally I can't be arsed arguing about this subject matter on here (or anywhere else on the interweb) as I'm here for Newcastle United first and foremost and nor will I as we all have a love for this club and I don't want to drive a wedge between us.
Having said all that, while I'm here, I might as well post something.
As a unionist I've found some of the comments/opinions on here, disappointing to say the least.
The flag protests are a farce imho, they should stop immediately, no question about it, but this thread does seem to me, to be very one-sided overall.
Incidentally, Willie Frazer wouldn't be my cup of tea either, but he (and more importantly his family) have paid a very heavy price in defence of this country, with 5 immediate members (including his own Father) murdered by terrorists whilst serving in the security services.
Unfortunately he's not alone in that fact mores the pity.
Equally the whole "Love Ulster" thing is just one big trolling exercise, but why wouldn't "fellow Irishmen" be welcomed with open arms in "the Capital"
Strange? Do people from the Republic NOT love Ulster? Do the Shinners NOT love Ulster? Thought here was hot property and we were all going to get together in a big Oirish lovefest at some point in the near future?
Anyhoo, there's my two pences worth on the worlds most BORING subject. :sleepy2:

And before anybody else gets in there, I'll do it myself

tl; dr  :banana:



:thup:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 23 January 2013, 11:41:30 PM
Sad that people of England have to sit and read Decky's blatant Republican bigotry.

Haven't seen you mention the decision to name a children's playground after a convicted IRA gunman in your home of Newry?????


:lol: No guesses what side of the fence you're on here, good of you to come on and post between protests though so fair play.
To be fair, having read through a sizeable chunk of this thread, you do seem to be coming at this whole subject matter, very much from a one-sided perspective. Indeed a fair whack of the posts I've just gone through are very much anti-unionist in flavour, so 10 posts or not, it's not an entirely unfounded post.
Personally I can't be arsed arguing about this subject matter on here (or anywhere else on the interweb) as I'm here for Newcastle United first and foremost and nor will I as we all have a love for this club and I don't want to drive a wedge between us.
Having said all that, while I'm here, I might as well post something.
As a unionist I've found some of the comments/opinions on here, disappointing to say the least.
The flag protests are a farce imho, they should stop immediately, no question about it, but this thread does seem to me, to be very one-sided overall.
Incidentally, Willie Frazer wouldn't be my cup of tea either, but he (and more importantly his family) have paid a very heavy price in defence of this country, with 5 immediate members (including his own Father) murdered by terrorists whilst serving in the security services.
Unfortunately he's not alone in that fact mores the pity.
Equally the whole "Love Ulster" thing is just one big trolling exercise, but why wouldn't "fellow Irishmen" be welcomed with open arms in "the Capital"
Strange? Do people from the Republic NOT love Ulster? Do the Shinners NOT love Ulster? Thought here was hot property and we were all going to get together in a big Oirish lovefest at some point in the near future?
Anyhoo, there's my two pences worth on the worlds most BORING subject. :sleepy2:

And before anybody else gets in there, I'll do it myself

tl; dr  :banana:



I'll be honest with you, I skipped right down to the bottom. The fact that you tl;dr'd yourself and used that little banana convinced me to go back and read the f***ing thing :lol:

Great post :thup:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 24 January 2013, 12:06:43 AM
In regards to the Union flag, yes my points in this thread are one sided, the reason for that being equality. The Union Flag represents Britishness and unionism here, and while I'm fully aware we're in the UK, the simple fact is one of the two main communities here doesn't identify with Britishness and unionism and in fact some detest the flag following years of a loyalist paramilitary campaign here, the same way people look at the Irish tricolour and hate it because of it's links to the IRA. The fact is 'both sides' took these flags on and they became the symbols of their campaigns and the two strongest symbols from the troubles.

I don't think it is fair that one of these flags flies above a public/neutral/shared building. It doesn't fly in Newry and it works, British people here don't look up there and see a tricolour, Irish people here don't look at Newry City Hall and see a Union flag, there is nothing up there representing one specific community or potentially isolating another community, and that's the way it should be at all public buildings here imo.

I'm fully aware that the Union flag is the flag of the UK and we're in the UK, and I also know the Irish tricolour is the flag of the Republic which has no jurisdiction up here, but we all know the craic in Northern Ireland, lets not ignore what these flags mean and what view points exist here.

I may appear one sided or whatever, but I'm not a unionist. We aren't talking about the price of a pint of milk, we're talking about national identity and finding common ground that represents both Irishness and Britishness equally, I can only come from one side in this argument, but I do take on board the other arguments and I do understand them.

In regards to the love Ulster stuff as well, the love Ulster event wasn't about loving the province, it was about loving the state of Northern Ireland, something some unionists ignorantly just refer to as Ulster. The majority view point in the south is clear, they didn't want partition when it happened and a lot don't want it now either. Frazer going around celebrating partition was never going to go down well in Dublin and there will always be people who disagree with violence.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Thursday 24 January 2013, 12:30:33 AM
tl; dr  :banana2:

 :lol:

But seriously, so many points to discuss there and not enough time I'm afraid.
As I said, I'm not really arsed about getting into all this if I'm honest, so I'm happy enough just to drop into this thread every once in a while and if I see something I feel "really" needs addressing (in the interests of balance) I'll jump in.
Could take you to task on a few of your points above, but alas time is against me (very early start in the morning)

As an aside, you should really go ahead and remove the (and Southern) from the title as the trade description act would have a field day with you  :p
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 24 January 2013, 12:36:53 AM
Well I hope you have time at some stage to address my points, that's what this place is all about so I'm up for the debate.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Thursday 24 January 2013, 12:50:09 AM
Well I hope you have time at some stage to address my points, that's what this place is all about so I'm up for the debate.

Honestly, I'm a monster for this kind of chat, have many friends of your persuasion so have done this conversation to death over the years, but the net result is, we're going to view thing differently, that just the truth of it.
We could get into facts and figures all day long and it'll not make a jot of difference to either of us (at least that's what all my previous conversations have resulted in)
You're Irish-centric in your outlook and I'm British-centric in mine, doesn't mean we can't be friends or not find common ground because we can (and I do frequently)
That's the real key in our situation, finding the key things that people can agree on. Not always easy, granted, but that's the way forward.

Anyhoo, that's enough from me for one night, Colo's leaving so I'm going to bed, thinking about that instead  :'(
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 24 January 2013, 12:52:31 AM
Fair play :thup:

I hope that Oz character comes back in, he seems like fun! :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Oz on Thursday 24 January 2013, 01:38:14 AM
Fair play :thup:

I hope that Oz character comes back in, he seems like fun! :lol:

Out of mere curiosity, what is your opinion on the Newry playground?!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 24 January 2013, 01:50:07 AM
Fair play :thup:

I hope that Oz character comes back in, he seems like fun! :lol:

Out of mere curiosity, what is your opinion on the Newry playground?!

It shouldn't have been give that name, simple really, it's a public place so it falls under my previous post which stated all public areas must not isolate one community and must be equal and appeal to everyone. I have to say though, I didn't even know the park was named after Raymond McCreesh until people up north complained about it recently, so it isn't exactly causing uproar to the locals down here.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: PENKAAA on Thursday 24 January 2013, 02:50:16 AM
IMO there shouldn't be a flag flying over City Hall 365 days a year, so i agree with the decision. Some of the violence has been appalling too, no need for it.

Loyalist makes no sense in his Flag argument (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pcUIGwU6f4#ws)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ibracadabra on Thursday 24 January 2013, 05:17:50 AM
I'm an expert at this sort of thing, from time to time i'll just jump in to correct any fleg bigots itt.

First rule of business. The sooner the tri colour goes above cityhall the better, it will solve everything.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Oz on Thursday 24 January 2013, 10:02:34 AM
Fair play :thup:

I hope that Oz character comes back in, he seems like fun! :lol:

Out of mere curiosity, what is your opinion on the Newry playground?!

It shouldn't have been give that name, simple really, it's a public place so it falls under my previous post which stated all public areas must not isolate one community and must be equal and appeal to everyone. I have to say though, I didn't even know the park was named after Raymond McCreesh until people up north complained about it recently, so it isn't exactly causing uproar to the locals down here.

Really? I would be fairly certain that naming a playground after a convicted paramilitary would cause massive uproar in any Unionist community. Pity it isn't the same on the Nationalist side.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Friday 25 January 2013, 10:59:59 PM
 :( Guard shot dead outside Dundalk tonight

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0125/364600-garda-louth-shot/

The injured detective is stationed in Dundalk
A garda has been shot and critically injured in Co Louth.
The shooting happened at the Lordship Credit Union in Bellurgan, Jenkinstown at around 9.30pm.
It is believed the garda was one of two detectives on escort duty when an attempted robbery, involving a number of armed men, took place.
He was critically wounded and his injuries are believed to be life threatening.
The raiders fled the scene and gardaí are appealing for information.
It is believed that officers are looking for four men in a grey Volkswagen Passat.
The area has been sealed off while they attempt to establish the circumstances surrounding the shooting and the PSNI has been informed.
The injured detective is stationed in Dundalk.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 January 2013, 11:09:50 PM
Out of interest, if the suspects headed up north, are they basically free of being caught by southern police? I'm not really 100% on what jurisdiction each police force has over the border lines these days.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: pi_D on Friday 25 January 2013, 11:14:13 PM
f*** :(

Massive increase in robberies in the last 5 years.

They will come down immeasurably hard on whoever is responsible for the death of a gard
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Friday 25 January 2013, 11:14:24 PM
They used to have to be extradited, I'm not sure if it's still the case. I know there were a few arrested down south for the murder of the northern prison officer. Both forces work together a lot better now than they used to especially around the border.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 January 2013, 11:18:52 PM
They used to have to be extradited, I'm not sure if it's still the case. I know there were a few arrested down south for the murder of the northern prison officer. Both forces work together a lot better now than they used to especially around the border.

Good to hear. I'd hate to think they could just head a few miles away and be completely clear basically.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 26 January 2013, 12:19:35 PM
f*** :(

Massive increase in robberies in the last 5 years.

They will come down immeasurably hard on whoever is responsible for the death of a gard

And the solution of our fearless leaders? CLOSE MORE RURAL GARDA STATIONS!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 26 January 2013, 02:11:49 PM
f*** :(

Massive increase in robberies in the last 5 years.

They will come down immeasurably hard on whoever is responsible for the death of a gard

And the solution of our fearless leaders? CLOSE MORE RURAL GARDA STATIONS!
you make it sound like our spineless leaders had a say in it and it wasn't just some order from our true overlords the troika.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Friday 14 June 2013, 01:26:39 PM
http://thedailyedge.thejournal.ie/best-irish-crisps-950791-Jun2013/?utm_source=facebook_short

Now, that's a news item.

I kind of agree. Personally, if you're having a few pints then Kings are the winners hands down. I prefer Hunky Dorys but you kind of can't argue with Tayto.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Friday 14 June 2013, 02:02:03 PM
Love Scampi Fries.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 12 July 2013, 01:16:19 AM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/996513_215919925223156_1211120041_n.jpg)

:undecided:

It's about time these kind of bonfires were done with. Do you see a shared future in that image? Apparently the hanging there is mocking a young man who killed himself in Belfast earlier in the year too.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 12 July 2013, 01:21:33 AM
That's disgusting that like. The burning of the flags (even though they're Ivory Coast ones) is expected, but that hanging effigy. Disgrace.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 15 July 2013, 03:23:12 AM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 15 July 2013, 03:29:53 AM
I feel so sorry for the police there too, just standing and taking that abuse in a time when we're supposed to be moving on. Hopefully they managed to get good shots of faces and make a few arrests.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Monday 15 July 2013, 09:31:58 AM
Can't believe that it went into a 3rd night. Every time you think things have calmed down up there something like this happens.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 01:54:53 PM
That's disgusting that like. The burning of the flags (even though they're Ivory Coast ones) is expected, but that hanging effigy. Disgrace.

:lol: Everyone in Ivory Coast is like "f*** did we do?"
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 01:59:15 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 02:03:37 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?

100% of Northern Irish people are charvas aka young dickheads.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 02:31:09 PM
Interesting...
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 02:34:20 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?

100% of Northern Irish people are charvas aka young dickheads.
What about McIlroy?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 02:46:17 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?

100% of Northern Irish people are charvas aka young dickheads.
What about McIlroy?

Always got his charva cap on.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 02:47:41 PM
:okay:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 04:28:20 PM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 04:36:59 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?

100% of Northern Irish people are charvas aka young dickheads.

(https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS__UPhTJd0fqogDSojj5S56t4JZ-_dlEQ9SirYdXcr3NjhwdWh)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 05:09:51 PM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

All Newry people you've met are sound too. Me and Froggy man, howay.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 05:22:30 PM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

All Newry people you've met are sound too. Me and Froggy man, howay.

Can't deny it.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 05:50:25 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?

100% of Northern Irish people are charvas aka young dickheads.
Generalisation-tastic

Thanks for that  :undecided:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 05:52:15 PM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

All Newry people you've met are sound too. Me and Froggy man, howay.

Can't deny it.

 :rose:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 05:54:54 PM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

All Newry people you've met are sound too. Me and Froggy man, howay.

Bloke who pulls the ale in my local, and has done for nigh on 30 year is a Newry chap...good gadgie.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 05:58:26 PM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

All Newry people you've met are sound too. Me and Froggy man, howay.

Bloke who pulls the ale in my local, and has done for nigh on 30 year is a Newry chap...good gadgie.

Ole (ish) fella with glasses is it? Vague description, I know, but I met a fella at a Down away match this year who was from Newry but has lived and worked in Newcastle for years now.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 06:04:32 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?

100% of Northern Irish people are charvas aka young dickheads.
Generalisation-tastic

Thanks for that  :undecided:

 :fishing:

I've a lot of time for the fine people of Norn Iron.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 06:35:56 PM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

Damn right we are. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Tuesday 16 July 2013, 07:33:01 PM
I was watching this video of the loyalists rioting the other day there, and what do you know, someone walks past the camera with a f***ing Newcastle top on. :lol:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=176071212573704

That's pretty disgraceful. How many of these people are actual loyalists and how many are just young dickheads?

100% of Northern Irish people are charvas aka young dickheads.
Generalisation-tastic

Thanks for that  :undecided:

 :fishing:

I've a lot of time for the fine people of Norn Iron.

 :aww: good to hear
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 17 July 2013, 01:40:34 AM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

Damn right we are. :lol:

Derry people are number wan.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Wednesday 17 July 2013, 06:50:32 AM
All the Derry people I've met have been sound as a pound.

All Newry people you've met are sound too. Me and Froggy man, howay.

Bloke who pulls the ale in my local, and has done for nigh on 30 year is a Newry chap...good gadgie.

Ole (ish) fella with glasses is it? Vague description, I know, but I met a fella at a Down away match this year who was from Newry but has lived and worked in Newcastle for years now.

How strange. That describes Martin perfectly. But we are in Coventry.:D
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 17 July 2013, 10:14:10 AM
;D
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 18 July 2013, 04:44:14 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/995101_177192599128232_1067046036_n.png)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Thursday 18 July 2013, 06:43:14 PM
:lol: f*** sake
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ibracadabra on Thursday 18 July 2013, 07:20:17 PM
Those huns wont like this.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 14 August 2013, 11:43:54 AM
On a much lighter note than we are accustomed to, is anyone coming to Derry this week for the Fleadh (http://www.fleadhcheoil.ie/)? Got myself a few days off work and I'm heading home tomorrow to make the most of it. Admittedly, it ordinarily wouldn't be something I would go out of my way for, but with it being in Derry I'm going to give it a lash. If any of you make it up here, I'll happily buy you a celebratory pint. :lol:

http://youtu.be/Vt_vaNtulC8
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 August 2013, 03:13:00 PM
I'd love to head up to that but I'm heading to Dublin early next week. Only been to Derry twice, both this year for the GAA, and it seems like a cracking city. I definitely have to get up and see what the night life is like very soon.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 14 August 2013, 03:15:05 PM
Londonderry is a good oul place.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 August 2013, 03:19:08 PM
Someone was going to say it eventually. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 14 August 2013, 03:24:42 PM
Someone was going to say it eventually. :lol:

 :aww:

I'm bored as s*** man. Off work and watching Geordie Shore. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 14 August 2013, 03:34:40 PM
Looks like a great festival. We love Irish-heritage s*** like that over here.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 August 2013, 05:16:58 PM
Watching some videos on Facebook here of the rioting at the weekend. Honestly, parts of Belfast City centre would have been no go zones for Catholics over the weekend. What a sorry state of affairs. The rioting is just constant now and it is far from peaceful. I'm sick to death with this peaceful protest nonsense being spouted every time these riots cause havoc. Dozens of police get injured, tens of thousands of pounds worth of damage is done and shocking messages of hate towards the Catholic community gets spread everytime one of these "peaceful protests" takes place. The country is at breaking point imo, the levels of hate are rising fast and something seriously needs to be done about all it and quick.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 18 August 2013, 07:34:44 PM
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The coffins carrying departed members of Boston’s Irish-American clan back across the Atlantic for burial in the land of their fathers were unusually heavy. But no one suspected a thing.

“We were able to get at least five rifles, a couple of handguns, and some ammunition under a corpse,” recalled Patrick Nee, an IRA sympathiser and lieutenant of the infamous Boston gangster James “Whitey” Bulger. “Caskets were ideal for smuggling”.

While enforcing a murderous protection racket around the city’s south side, Bulger and Nee’s Irish-American mob were also running guns to the boys back home.

Bulger, 83, is likely to spend his final days in jail after this week finally being convicted of carrying out 11 murders and leading a lucrative crime network before going on the run from the FBI for 16 years.

His two-month trial shed light on the unique underworld of “Southie”, the blue-collar district where prosecutors told the jury at Boston’s federal courthouse that he and his Winter Hill Gang “ran amok”.

Yet it was his support for the Irish republican campaign against Margaret Thatcher’s government more than 3,000 miles away that led directly to one of the most gruesome killings of his career.

Nee, who moved to Boston as a boy from a Gaelic-speaking village in County Galway, was excused from testifying after indicating he would exercise his right not to incriminate himself. But in a memoir, he revealed the full details of the murder, and how it came about after the gang organised one of the biggest weapons shipments to the IRA.

“Whitey loved being associated with the IRA and the cause of Irish freedom,” Nee recalled in his book, Criminal and an Irishman, The Inside Story of the Boston Mob and the IRA. “I think he liked the legitimacy a political cause gave him.”

Living on streets dotted with IRA murals and drinking in pubs where hats were passed round to raise money for the families of IRA prisoners, Bulger’s enforcers saw themselves as freedom fighters as much as gangsters. “I was a criminal with a passion: to drive the British out of Ireland,” added Nee.

Early on, thousands of dollars taken during the gang’s shakedowns of bookmakers were funnelled to Ireland through the local representative of Noraid, the Irish republican charity in the US.

However, Bulger was urged to think bigger by Joe Cahill, one of the Provisional IRA’s founders, during a meeting at The Three Os, the gang’s favourite pub, nicknamed “The Bucket of Blood”. Cahill, banned from the US over a conviction for murdering a policeman in Belfast in the 1940s, was sneaked into Boston on a coach full of fans returning from an ice hockey match in Canada.

“Lads,” Cahill told them, after showing a propaganda video of British troops and RUC officers firing rubber bullets at crowds, “we need your help.” Soon they were shipping 30 rifles, 25 pistols, 10 blocks of C-4 plastic explosive and 2,500 rounds of ammunition to Ireland under the false floor of a Dodge van.

The mission’s success thrilled the gang and made them more ambitious. One Sunday in 1983 Bulger, Nee and others met John Crawley, a 26-year-old IRA man who had returned to Ireland after serving in an elite unit of the US Marines. They hatched a plan to buy a boat, fill it with weapons and sail it all the way to Ireland.

Over the following months they assembled a seven-ton arsenal costing some $500,000 – $1.12 million (£720,000) today – after extorting the money from drug-dealers.

The hoard comprised 163 assault rifles, 71,000 rounds of ammunition, a ton of military explosives, and a dozen bullet­proof vests. To the astonishment of IRA commanders struggling to obtain weapons at home, they bought much of it from advertisements in the pages of Shotgun News.

Other items were obtained from IRA sympathisers around the US – 25 mini machine-guns from a gang in Philadelphia, a dozen shotguns from a contact in New York – before being transferred to bags treated to protect them from the Irish peat bogs in which they were to be buried.

One September night in 1984, the shipment was loaded on to a fishing boat the gang had bought and renamed Valhalla, after the heavenly destination for martyrs of combat in Norse mythology.

The core gang had been joined by a handful of newcomers, including John McIntyre, a 31-year-old marine mechanic and drug smuggler. His loose tongue after a few drinks worried the older mobsters, but they accepted that given his seafaring expertise, “he was the guy with balls enough to cross the Atlantic”.

Six vans delivered the weapons to the dock in Gloucester, 35 miles north-east of Boston. Finally, three minutes after midnight, the crew set sail.

Following a terrible journey, the weapons were transferred to an Irish boat, which was intercepted by Irish authorities after a tip-off from a British mole inside the IRA. The Valhalla got away and back to Boston. But the very next day, the gang’s problems began.

McIntyre was caught trying to enter his estranged wife’s house. When police logged his details, an outstanding drink-driving charge showed up. Near breaking point after his harrowing six-week boat trip, and facing a weekend in the cells, he started to talk. “I’d like to get out of here,” he pleaded. “And I’d just like to start living a normal life.” Soon he was telling police the story of the Valhalla.

Unfortunately for him, as word of his disclosures spread through US agencies, it reached John Connolly, an FBI man who was running Bulger as an informant against rival gangsters. He promptly tipped off the mob boss.

McIntyre was lured to Nee’s brother’s house on the pretext of delivering beer to a party. Dragged to the basement, he was chained to a chair by Bulger, who demanded to know what he had disclosed, while a rope was tightened around his neck.

Eventually the torture from Bulger, who was waving his MAC-10 machine pistol, became too much, according to another mobster, Kevin Weeks, who gave evidence at Bulger’s trial last month. “Jim says to him, 'do you want one in the head?’,” he recalled. “And he says, 'yes, please’.”

After Bulger obliged, McIntyre’s teeth were extracted with pliers to prevent identification. Bulger “had to go upstairs and lie down” after “the release of sexual excitement from killing exhausted him,” claimed Nee, who dug a 5ft hole in the ground and buried the body, which was only found 16 years later.

Bulger was this week convicted of killing McIntyre and 10 others during his reign as king of Boston’s underworld, which ended in 1994 when, tipped off by Connolly that he was about to be arrested, he fled for California, where he was found hiding in 2011.

Weeks, who testified extensively against Bulger, his former boss, spent five years in jail for drug and racketeering offences, but is now free.

Nee, who was jailed for his part in the Valhalla mission, still lives in South Boston.

He denies persistent rumours that he too is a protected FBI mole.

http://www.businessinsider.com/whitey-bulger-ira-weapons-smuggling-tale-2013-8
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Friday 27 September 2013, 05:32:13 PM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=206151776231828

Holy f***. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Boy on Friday 27 September 2013, 07:24:07 PM
All I see is JFK in the Reebok top and the Moobs on the big fella.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Tuesday 1 October 2013, 08:55:44 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24348798

You know it's bad when Gerry Adams isn't the biggest scumbag in your family.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Weezertron on Tuesday 1 October 2013, 09:56:28 PM
Having worked in an irish bar for the past year I can tell you I'm utterly done with everything about your country  :lol:

It wouldn't be so bad but it seems like the Irish have really strong stereotypes that can be played on. The colours, the music, the guinness, the accent, all the irish looking tat one can buy. It's so f***ing overbearing.

The bar is in North America, so it's probably more OTT than a pub in Ireland, and all the real Irish who work there seem to hate all that s*** as much as I do.

Every culture is parodied but this just seems excessive. I guess it doesn't help that every man and his dog here claim to have some Irish ancestry.

Honestly though, if I never hear another irish jig I'll giggle to my grave.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 1 October 2013, 10:06:00 PM
Irish bars outside of Ireland are fuckin awful!  s**** music payed loudly, random crap nailed to the walls, terrible Guinness that people pretend to like and the dregs who leave the country and the first place they go to is an Irish bar to show how "Irish" they are with their county jerseys on. I avoid them like the plague all year around. The only reason I used to go to them was because theyd show the GAA matches bu I've since learned how to stream them.
I can't imagine a place worse in this world than an Irish bar on Paddys day!  :suicide:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 1 October 2013, 10:07:00 PM
Just to say I love Ireland and Irish people, miss it loads since I broke up with GF. Better set of people I couldn't hope to meet, even being English!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 1 October 2013, 10:08:56 PM
Pubs here are absolutely nothing like Irish bars man. :lol: I can't think of a worst part of the world for an Irish bar than north America too.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: TheGuv on Tuesday 1 October 2013, 10:17:05 PM
Pubs here are absolutely nothing like Irish bars man. :lol: I can't think of a worst part of the world for an Irish bar than north America too.

*Shudder*

I f***ing hate Americans. I find it hilarious that on 17th March they all miraculously think they come from Ireland
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 3 November 2013, 11:35:43 PM
Question for the natives: I've long wanted to take an extended holiday to travel around the island. What would you recommend? Places to go/avoid, things to do, etc.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Sunday 3 November 2013, 11:40:49 PM
Question for the natives: I've long wanted to take an extended holiday to travel around the island. What would you recommend? Places to go/avoid, things to do, etc.

Come North lad, there's a beer here with your name on it :thup:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Sunday 3 November 2013, 11:43:26 PM
Question for the natives: I've long wanted to take an extended holiday to travel around the island. What would you recommend? Places to go/avoid, things to do, etc.

Wouldn't take that long to see everything interesting but off the top of my head:

Giants Causeway - Antrim
Guinness Brewery - Dublin
Blarney Castle - Cork
Cliffs of Moher - Clare
The Burren - Clare
Decky - Down

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LFEE on Sunday 3 November 2013, 11:51:03 PM
Going to Belfast this coming weekend to see The National play... Any good bars restaurants and sight seeing anyone could recommend would be appreciated thanks...
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Sunday 3 November 2013, 11:53:57 PM
For Deuce;

Belfast - birthplace of the Titanic (with a brand new visitor centre)
The Glens of Antrim, The North Coast and the Giants Causeway (with a brand new visitor centre)
The Mourne Mountains
The Fermanagh Lakelands
The famous walled City of Derry
Fabulous golf courses and scenery, fantastic history (some good, some bad but both interesting) friendly locals, great nightlife, great restaurants and lots to see and do :thup:

For all above www.discovernorthernireland.com (http://www.discovernorthernireland.com)

The South has plenty to offer as well but I'll not steal someone else thunder.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Sunday 3 November 2013, 11:53:59 PM
I'm pretty sure Lavery's is popular with people who are just visiting. You'll find a lot of nice bars around the Botanic area.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Sunday 3 November 2013, 11:57:57 PM
Going to Belfast this coming weekend to see The National play... Any good bars restaurants and sight seeing anyone could recommend would be appreciated thanks...

Depends what you are in the mood for food wise but we are well catered for.
If you are in a quick in, out, a guided tour of Belfast City Hall is worth a try plus (as mentioned) the Titanic Visitor Centre is excellent.

Where are you staying? Central?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:13:18 AM
Come North lad, there's a beer here with your name on it :thup:
Wouldn't take that long to see everything interesting but off the top of my head:

Giants Causeway - Antrim
Guinness Brewery - Dublin
Blarney Castle - Cork
Cliffs of Moher - Clare
The Burren - Clare
Decky - Down

For Deuce;

Belfast - birthplace of the Titanic (with a brand new visitor centre)
The Glens of Antrim, The North Coast and the Giants Causeway (with a brand new visitor centre)
The Mourne Mountains
The Fermanagh Lakelands
The famous walled City of Derry
Fabulous golf courses and scenery, fantastic history (some good, some bad but both interesting) friendly locals, great nightlife, great restaurants and lots to see and do :thup:

For all above www.discovernorthernireland.com (http://www.discovernorthernireland.com)

The South has plenty to offer as well but I'll not steal someone else thunder.

:thup: Appreciate it guys. Belfast will be definitely on the itinerary, B. I'll be sure to let you know when I'm in town.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:20:55 AM
When is this happening? I'll be back in Ireland in February. I'm going for a pint if it's on the cards. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:21:56 AM
Yeah same here. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:22:32 AM
Nothing even remotely planned. :lol: But it's at the top of my list of holiday destinations. Next chance I get some extended time off.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:26:31 AM
I'm in :thup:

A Decky, Froggy, Deuce, BM drinking session  :smug:
There's some words I never thought I'd type  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:27:24 AM
:lol:

Hopefully sometime fall/winter 2014. I might look into getting a work visa as well.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:27:35 AM
Areas of outstanding beauty here would probably be Mourne Mountains in Down, Antrim Coast, Donegal Mountains and the Kerry Mountains. If you want a taste of traditional Ireland I suggest going to places like Galway and Dingle in Kerry, infact counties Kerry and Cork in particular are fantastic for a look at traditional Irish culture. If you want to meet some characters and get a taste of the craic on the island, the likes of Belfast and obviously Dublin are perfect. Dublin has a little bit of everything really, but I'd imagine you'll be going there anyway. I could probably recommend the entire island to you, but have a look at these places in particular:

- Belfast
- Derry
- Donegal (county)
- Kerry (county)
- Cork (county and city)
- Galway

You'll get everything you need and more from these places. You'll probably get so much from the various villages along the way as well if you're stopping for food. And if you're driving down from Belfast to Dublin or vice versa, you  may as well stop into Newry to see me and Froggy, it's on the way. Although if we all met up that'd be even better. :D
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:28:47 AM
I'm in :thup:

A Decky, Froggy, Deuce, BM drinking session  :smug:
There's some words I never thought I'd type  :lol:

:lol: We could probably get s*** loads from here at it given the amount of posters from here. Deuce might even take Mike with him.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:31:38 AM
I'll be Canada by the time he's here.

We should arrange something before that. I'm going to go to Newcastle when we play you anyway. In the home end with a Man United top on.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LFEE on Monday 4 November 2013, 12:55:54 AM
Going to Belfast this coming weekend to see The National play... Any good bars restaurants and sight seeing anyone could recommend would be appreciated thanks...

Depends what you are in the mood for food wise but we are well catered for.
If you are in a quick in, out, a guided tour of Belfast City Hall is worth a try plus (as mentioned) the Titanic Visitor Centre is excellent.

Where are you staying? Central?


Yes Central... Fly in Friday early evening... Guessing a bus from airport to centre of town(?)... Fly out around 6ish Sunday...

Heard the IRA bus tour is good?!

Like all food and up for trying anything a bit different... The gig is Saturday night at the Odyssey...
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 4 November 2013, 03:45:44 AM
If your after some nice scenery I'd certainly recommend West Cork or Kerry, the National Park in Killarney (Kerry) is a nice place to visit. Also if you get the chance and your timings right take in an All Ireland game at the very least on telly if not in person.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 19 November 2013, 09:55:59 AM
This will come as no surprise to a lot of people:

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UVF ceasefire over says Police Federation's Terry Spence

The UVF is not on ceasefire, the chairman of the Police Federation, Terry Spence, has said.

Mr Spence said the loyalist paramilitary organisation was involved in a range of crimes, including "mafia-style activities".

"We've been very clear that when it comes to the UVF, we firmly believe that they are not on ceasefire," Mr Spence said.

"I have made those comments on a number of occasions."

Speaking on Radio Ulster's The Nolan Show, he added: "The UVF have been engaged in murder, attempted murder of civilians, attempted murder of police officers, they've been engaged in orchestrating violence on our streets, and it's very clear to me that there engaged in an array of mafia-style activities.

"They're holding local communities to ransom. On the basis of that, we as a federation have called for the respecification of the UVF (stating that its ceasefire is over)."

'Incredulity'
Sinn Féin's Gerry Kelly said it was clear the UVF was no longer on ceasefire.

"Matt Baggott did come out with a statement, I think last week, where he said the UVF ceasefire was intact. I think it was with incredulity that anyone read the article," he said.

"I've had people into my office, ironically, from the Shankill Road, complaining that the UVF are in charge there as well.

"So I do think they need to take a look at this, I don't understand why Matt Baggott is saying these things."

Speaking at police headquarters on Monday, Assistant Chief Constable Will Kerr said that elements of the UVF, particularly in east Belfast, had been involved in a range of criminal activity, however the issue of respecification was a political decision.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-24983525

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 19 November 2013, 12:05:46 PM
It's always going to be the case though isn't it? Every city in the world has criminal gangs doing such acts only in The Norths case if they're Protestant they'll be labeled loyalist and the catholic gangs will be dissident republican. These armies were far to successful money making machines over the years to pack it all in now, just less bombs. Like look at the smuggling around the border, it's clear who's doing it so would you say that the IRA were involved in "mafia style activities'
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 19 November 2013, 02:18:54 PM
Miss Derry a lot since I broke up with GF, everyone over there is brilliant. Even though I'm English.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Sunday 1 December 2013, 01:56:03 PM
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Taliban-inspired technology is boosting the capacity of dissident republicans to wage war against the security services, with the discovery of advanced weaponry never seen before in Northern Ireland, Independent on Sunday can reveal.

The degree of technical sophistication is "unprecedented", and experts are warning that it is part of a worsening picture that could include a sustained bombing campaign.

Police managed to foil an attack which had been planned in South Armagh using what the Police Service for Northern Ireland (PSNI) described as two "mortar type" devices. Dissident republicans had planned to bring down a helicopter using the rocket launchers, which took army bomb disposal experts three days to examine.

In the wake of the discovery, security sources approached Democratic Unionist MP Jim Shannon with their concerns. The weaponry, found in August, was unlike anything seen in Northern Ireland before. It is understood that it could be detonated remotely using an infrared laser - a tactic used by the Taliban in Afghanistan.

"This is a different level of terrorism. When it comes to the sophistication, when it comes to the technological detail, these are things that have never been seen in Northern Ireland," said Mr Shannon.

He said the "deeply worrying" discovery confirmed that there are links between people in Afghanistan and Pakistan and those that made the bomb and mortar attack weapon in Cullyhanna.

The Northern Ireland Office, PSNI and ministry of defence declined to comment. But one security expert, who would not be named, said: "There is information to suggest it had an infrared detonator. There is a genuine anxiety about this."

Independent MP Patrick Mercer, a former army officer who has served in Northern Ireland, speculated last night that another possibility was that military personnel who have served in Afghanistan and Iraq may be responsible for passing on details about the technology. "I have heard about this. This is all to do with light-sensitive devices," he said. "But of course it's no more or less than the fact that they've got people coming back from Afghanistan who have served over there who are able to pass on this expertise. There are many Irishmen serving in all branches of the services. It's not unknown for loyalties to be split."

Speaking under condition of anonymity, a senior military figure who commanded troops in Northern Ireland, admitted: "It is almost inevitable that 'leakage' of military skills from 'us' to 'them' happens over time and is disturbing and definitely of concern to the hierarchy."

But it is possible that "information exchange" between dissidents and the Taliban is taking place, according to Colonel Richard Kemp, former commander of British forces in Afghanistan. "We did see in the past co-operation between Islamist extremists in the Middle East and the Provisional IRA."

Earlier this year The IoS revealed how dissidents are using armour-piercing horizontal mortars similar to those used by the Taliban.

There is a "growing sophistication in terms of capability" and the ranks of the dissidents are being swelled by former Provisional IRA members who have lost patience with the peace process, according to Professor Richard English, a terrorism expert at the University of St Andrews. He said: "Given the capacity which seems to be emerging from the dissident republicans, it would be surprising if there were not more fatalities in the near future in Northern Ireland. The conditions are there for a sustained, occasionally very lethal, republican bombing campaign."

There have been big advances in the skills of dissidents in the past few years, and they are winning support due to a strategy of low-level vigilante attacks, according to Professor Andrew Silke, director for terrorism studies at the University of East London. The threat is being "downplayed" in Britain, and "as a result people are unaware how bad it's getting and the direction it's going", he added.

Recent activity by dissidents includes an attempt to blow up a 150lb bomb in Belfast city centre last Sunday. Earlier this month, a former police officer and his 12-year-old daughter were targeted when a booby-trap bomb was placed below his car in County Down. It was one of more than a dozen attempted bombings across the province in recent weeks.

http://sp.m.timesofindia.com/world/uk/Republicans-in-Northern-Ireland-look-to-Taliban-for-weapons/articleshow/26696620.cms


That's one hell of a statement.

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 1 December 2013, 02:25:27 PM
I really hate how these people say they are doing this in the name of republicanism, when the truth is these people have nothing better to be doing. When the GFA was signed many of these people were resigned to a life on the dole where no one cared for them or feared them. I've no doubt in my mind that the main drive for these dissidents to fight is to get a sense of worth again, to enjoy the power of people fearing them and the stature of being a 'ra man' in working class areas. Not to mention the money involved with the drugs and criminality that goes hand in hand with paramilitary organisations.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 4 December 2013, 01:05:48 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00H0HYMGE/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=B00H0HYMGE&linkCode=as2&tag=ladfleg-21

:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Friday 25 April 2014, 05:27:55 PM
Next tuesday on ESPN (I'm sure it'll be available online) part of the series of football documentaries in the run in to the WC, it's only 30mins but it should be interesting ...

http://espn.go.com/30for30/film?page=ceasefiremassacre
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Wednesday 30 April 2014, 09:35:10 PM
Gerry Adams arrested in connection with the 1972 murder of Jean McConville:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27232731 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-27232731)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 30 April 2014, 09:57:01 PM
Be interesting to see how this plays out. Sinn Fein are gathering serious support in the South and it's not out of the question that'll they end up in Government at some stage as part of a coalition some day but this could halt their progress.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 30 April 2014, 09:58:24 PM
if Sinn Fein ever want to get in government then they need to cut ties with the likes of Gerry Adams
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 30 April 2014, 10:01:09 PM
His biggest problem is that he didn't just admitt being in the IRA at the outset. It wouldn't be a big deal anymore as the country  has moved on but his constant denying the well known fact will harm him in the long run.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 1 May 2014, 06:17:49 AM
jesus man, when cases like this come up it brings the "troubles" that i grew up with flooding back

i'm no billy britain but f*** the ira man, absolute animals
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 21 June 2014, 01:51:05 AM
(http://cdn4.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/incoming/article30366003.ece/0f4fd/ALTERNATES/h342/1housing779484jpg.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10457194_259452970926328_4479283340021857965_n.jpg)

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/nigerian-man-too-afraid-to-move-into-east-belfast-house-after-blatantly-racist-banners-erected-30365923.html

Good old Belfast. :anguish:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 21 June 2014, 02:08:55 AM
c***s.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 21 June 2014, 02:40:44 AM
No point stopping being a bigot just because there' s (supposed) peace.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: TheGuv on Saturday 21 June 2014, 08:21:41 AM
The name of the newspaper.

"The Irish News"

Do you guys forget which country you're in sometimes?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 21 June 2014, 11:42:58 AM
What's wrong with having a paper called "The Irish News" when you're living on an island called Ireland?  ???
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 21 June 2014, 04:03:12 PM
What's wrong with having a paper called "The Irish News" when you're living on an island called Ireland?  ???

It's part of the Republican Sinn FeinIRA agenda and an attack on our culture, so it is.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: TheGuv on Saturday 21 June 2014, 08:21:06 PM
What's wrong with having a paper called "The Irish News" when you're living on an island called Ireland?  ???

Just seems a bit obvious. Its obviously got news in it so not sure why you'd stick that in it. Call it something like Irish Gazette :dontknow: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 21 June 2014, 08:34:38 PM
What's wrong with having a paper called "The Irish News" when you're living on an island called Ireland?  ???

Just seems a bit obvious. Its obviously got news in it so not sure why you'd stick that in it. Call it something like Irish Gazette :dontknow: :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 01:58:45 PM
Gonna throw this idea out here to see if it has legs. There's a fair few of us on here, what do people think about a potential forum meet/p*ss up? I reckon it'd be great craic and it's long overdue. If this falls on it's arse f*** all you b******s me and Clay 2 will just go for a pint. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:02:00 PM
You're on your own.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:03:46 PM
You're on your own.

I'll just pretend Belsonic is the meet motherfucker.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:14:41 PM
Who are you seeing at Belsonic? Would be interested in a meet up.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Who are you seeing at Belsonic? Would be interested in a meet up.

Heading to Imagine Dragons on the 22nd.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:30:26 PM
I'll need to grow my beard if we're meeting Coco like.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:50:16 PM
f***ers organising this after I Emmigrate :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:51:14 PM
f***ers organising this after I Emmigrate :lol:

If it'll happens sure we'll have you on Skype for the whole thing. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 02:59:29 PM
I'll need to grow my beard if we're meeting Coco like.

My beard is s**** these days. Went a bit Heisenberg, but I've started growing it back out.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 03:11:33 PM
I want LesPaul to go. I've got a thing for him apart from his love of shitty Star Wars.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 03:28:10 PM
Quote
I'd be up for that. Gonna throw this idea out here to see if it has legs. There's a fair few of us on here, what do people think about a potential forum meet/p*ss up? I reckon it'd be great craic and it's long overdue. If this falls on it's arse f*** all you b******s me and Clay 2 will just go for a pint. :lol:

I'd be up for this, if it's happening in Belfast.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 03:28:50 PM
I'm easy. Don't care where it is.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 03:29:17 PM
It probably will be Belfast. Going to be the easiest place for everyone.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 03:31:31 PM
It probably will be Belfast. Going to be the easiest place for everyone.

Not necessarily for the ones down south though.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 03:40:48 PM
Probably still is. Isn't Coco in like Galway Donegal or something now?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 03:54:43 PM
Try telling posters from Cork and Kerry that Belfast is the handiest place. :lol: I'd say Dublin would be the easiest place being in the middle(ish) of the island, and with services all running to Dublin. It all depends who's going. If all the heads in Cork etc don't fancy it and it's just people up north or close to it going then Belfast would be easiest.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 04:10:15 PM
Dublin would be fine as well, obviously depends on who's interested.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 06:03:22 PM
As long as I can wrap Decky in a Union Jack and can take a photo to prove it, I'm in :thup:

Me, Messi, JB, Froggy, Belfast Boy, Coco & yourself are the Nordie boys, so Belfast sounds easier to me.

I'm interested in principle, mainly to meet Froggy though  :)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 06:10:28 PM
That fleg is going no where near me! :lol: Legacy as well from the north, although I dunno if he still posts? There's also some lurkers like Doops who might be interested. If we can get about 5 definites we can tie down a date and location and just go from there.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 06:31:34 PM
OK so a Union Jack is a bridge to far, what about a St George's Flag with N.U.F.C on it, surely that will be OK?:dontknow:

Think of the positive PR man, supporting our English brethren from across the sea  :snod:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 06:48:32 PM
I'll do it if you hold a tricolour with GAA on it. ;)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 06:50:17 PM
Love a flag debate do the Nordies.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 06:56:56 PM
Love a flag debate do the Nordies.

Excuse me, but it's fleg not flag.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 07:00:02 PM
I'll do it if you hold a tricolour with GAA on it. ;)

:yao: why on earth would I do that, I don't follow GAA and that's not why we're meeting up.
We're meeting up as Newcastle United supporters  :lol: you know, Newcastle in England and all that.
I'll bring it anyway, I'd imagine I can persuade you that you won't burn to death by standing next to it like  :coolsmiley:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 07:15:22 PM
I'll do it if you hold a tricolour with GAA on it. ;)

:yao: why on earth would I do that, I don't follow GAA and that's not why we're meeting up.
We're meeting up as Newcastle United supporters  :lol: you know, Newcastle in England and all that.
I'll bring it anyway, I'd imagine I can persuade you that you won't burn to death by standing next to it like  :coolsmiley:

There will be no discussion about Newcastle United.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 07:54:54 PM
Couldn't agree more.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 09:24:09 PM
BM mentions me with a union fleg around me and reacts like im serious when I say about the tricolour. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 09:32:34 PM
You're gonna look mint in behind this on Facebook  :aww:

(http://i3.bebo.com/004/large/2006/02/06/18/114730003a268005243b384828822l.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 09:45:40 PM
Already have one of those, I'll take mine as well sure.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 09:48:06 PM
Shut the f*** up about flegs ffs. Who brought that s*** up? :lol: We're going for a drink and to talk s*** about football and in me, Decky and Coco's case, games.

And the gym.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 09:56:07 PM
Bubbacue Froggy, Bubbacue :megusta:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 09:58:19 PM
I'm heading down on Friday for one and all. So good.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 10:01:06 PM
That would be a great "meat" venue for us (see what I did there)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 11:35:15 PM
 :dog:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 11:36:24 PM
As if we're meeting in a food place too. :lol: You want to hold hands when we leave as well? :lol: Closest to a food venue we'll get is Wetherspoons.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 11:37:40 PM
Lets say Belfast then. Who's in?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 11:38:42 PM
(http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1985/Duncan-Bannatyne.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 23 July 2014, 11:54:09 PM
:hba:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Thursday 24 July 2014, 01:03:38 AM
(http://www.partypacks.co.uk/images/products/product_86266_1_orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Thursday 24 July 2014, 11:19:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWKNU-aDzf8

 :lol: :lol: :lol:


When do people want to do this then?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: LesPaul on Thursday 24 July 2014, 11:42:42 PM
I want LesPaul to go. I've got a thing for him apart from his love of shitty Star Wars.

Ewwwww. I'm out.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Thursday 24 July 2014, 11:42:59 PM
It might be slightly later now (September) for me and Froggy. We were thinking today that if there was a send off for Cajun in Newcastle we'd love to be a part of that. We'll see what happens over the next few days but it's definitely happening in the next 2 months, even if me and Froggy do it ourselves. :lol: The perks of knowing someone on here personally. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Thursday 24 July 2014, 11:48:02 PM
So you haven't met anybody IRL from here then Decky? (other than Froggy obvs)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Thursday 24 July 2014, 11:55:30 PM
I met Doops randomly at a festival, and some unknown poster who came up to me last week at Longitude but other than that, nope.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:03:55 AM
Just assumed you would have, given your long service on here. I guess that's where assumptions get you, nowhere  :)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:05:00 AM
How did the "unknown" poster thing play out  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:06:37 AM
How did the "unknown" poster thing play out  :lol:

He knew Decky and I roared at him insisting he was Doops. He wasn't.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:08:47 AM
Specifically from N-O though?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:25:28 AM
He came over randomly at Longitude and said he knew me from the forum and Froggy just screamed Doops at him, but I pm'd Doops and it wasn't him. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:26:53 AM
That would freak me the f*** out like  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: triggs on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:27:57 AM
What kind of accent did they have? Wasn't me by the way
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:28:32 AM
DOOOOPS!! :D
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:28:38 AM
I just laughed, me and Froggy were both completely f***ed like. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:29:15 AM
He came over randomly at Longitude and said he knew me from the forum and Froggy just screamed Doops at him, but I pm'd Doops and it wasn't him. :lol:

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:31:12 AM
Reckon it was JB
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:32:57 AM
What kind of accent did they have?

I honestly can't remember. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:34:05 AM
What kind of accent did they have? Wasn't me by the way

Don't ask me either. I lost at least 4 hours of that day. Good lad Decky looked after me when I was out of it. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:34:41 AM
He was passing out and me and some fella Froggy knew just ditched him. :lol: Mess. Doops prob raped him from there tbh.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:36:15 AM
I'm liking your new title Froggy. A poor mans Clay, the Bentley to Clay's Beckham if you will.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:40:43 AM
He was passing out and me and some fella Froggy knew just ditched him. :lol: Mess. Doops prob raped him from there tbh.

My friends know I'm a mess. They don't even care about me anymore :(
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:42:25 AM
:lol: We let you know where we were, and tbf you found your way in the end.

Longitude btw, don't miss it next year if you're into your music. It's a great spot.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:44:18 AM
:lol: We let you know where we were, and tbf you found your way in the end.

Longitude btw, don't miss it next year if you're into your music. It's a great spot.

"We're at the Red Bull tent."

Met you at the bus 3 hours later. Good lad.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Friday 25 July 2014, 12:45:40 AM
:lol: That's on you. We told you where we were at. Our job was done.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Monday 28 July 2014, 08:14:05 PM
Man drowns while swimming across Co Armagh pond 'to remove Irish tricolours and replace with Union flag'

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/man-drowns-while-swimming-across-co-armagh-pond-to-remove-irish-tricolours-and-replace-with-union-flag-30465599.html

:anguish:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: CFlan on Monday 28 July 2014, 09:25:25 PM
I was expecting a twentysomething chav to have been the brainchild in the article, but a penisoner :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Doops on Monday 28 July 2014, 11:58:00 PM
Why are you laughing?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 29 July 2014, 12:08:05 AM
Because its f***ing ridiculous that someone that age would end up in a situation like that. A drunk teenager I could understand, but a penisoner!? I'm suprised he survived on this planet as long as he did.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Doops on Tuesday 29 July 2014, 03:13:33 AM
The man is barely dead 12 hours for f*** sake. Yeh it was daft but no call for you having your chuckle. I didnt know him personally but friends of mine did. Catch yourself on.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Saturday 30 August 2014, 01:00:33 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28979475

Interesting article on Newry there. To be honest, it probably is one of the best places to live in Northern Ireland, no bullshit fleg nonsense being shoved down your throat when you walk past a simple lamppost and it isn't really run down that much, not when compared to most other places here. The attitudes towards events such as Orange Order marches (in a 90% odd nationalist area) and the gay pride festival shows how accepting and welcoming Newry folk are towards other cultures and mind sets. Having said that, the fact that it is a decent place to live shows how bad a state Northern Ireland is in. It really is the land of no hope here.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: JB on Saturday 30 August 2014, 01:05:54 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28979475

Interesting article on Newry there. To be honest, it probably is one of the best places to live in Northern Ireland, no bullshit fleg nonsense being shoved down your throat when you walk past a simple lamppost and it isn't really run down that much, not when compared to most other places here. The attitudes towards events such as Orange Order marches (in a 90% odd nationalist area) and the gay pride festival shows how accepting and welcoming Newry folk are towards other cultures and mind sets. Having said that, the fact that it is a decent place to live shows how bad a state Northern Ireland is in. It really is the land of no hope here.

:thup: Depressingly true.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Ronaldo on Saturday 30 August 2014, 05:26:58 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-28979475

Interesting article on Newry there. To be honest, it probably is one of the best places to live in Northern Ireland, no bullshit fleg nonsense being shoved down your throat when you walk past a simple lamppost and it isn't really run down that much, not when compared to most other places here. The attitudes towards events such as Orange Order marches (in a 90% odd nationalist area) and the gay pride festival shows how accepting and welcoming Newry folk are towards other cultures and mind sets. Having said that, the fact that it is a decent place to live shows how bad a state Northern Ireland is in. It really is the land of no hope here.

:thup: Depressingly true.

Why don't you just cross the Irish Sea?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Saturday 30 August 2014, 10:32:37 AM
To be fair, Newry has one very appealing feature that no matter how many times I'm down there, I always get a buzz from it seeing it. It's class  :aww:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Coco on Saturday 30 August 2014, 11:39:22 AM
Never spent any time in Newry at all, but been through it a fair bit. You'll actually find that the majority of NI is fine, and doesn't get bogged down in stupid s*** (flegs etc). Belfast does it's best to make us all look like morons.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Froggy on Saturday 30 August 2014, 12:07:57 PM
To be fair, Newry has one very appealing feature that no matter how many times I'm down there, I always get a buzz from it seeing it. It's class  :aww:

Marty Bogroll?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Belfast Mags on Saturday 30 August 2014, 12:15:30 PM
THE ROAD OUT OF IT :tobey:

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Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Doops on Sunday 31 August 2014, 02:29:30 AM
Aye the road to Dublin!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Neil on Friday 10 October 2014, 12:43:15 AM
Actually... better in here.

Any of you guys in Dublin? Myself and the Prophet look like heading over in a couple of weeks. Anyone fancy meeting?

 :okay: in advance.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Friday 10 October 2014, 12:54:46 AM
24th weekend? Might pop down for a pint or 12, it's only an hour away. Will see what the craic is at the time.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Neil on Friday 10 October 2014, 12:56:01 AM
Aye that's the one.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland - Forum meet?
Post by: Decky on Sunday 2 November 2014, 05:32:36 PM
The Bunk is a St Pats fan! :lol:

https://twitter.com/WendellPierce

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 2 November 2014, 05:51:30 PM
thats random
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 2 November 2014, 05:53:56 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1dAV5jCAAACZ_J.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Sunday 2 November 2014, 07:42:20 PM
f*** Bunk.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlueStar on Thursday 6 November 2014, 02:51:59 PM
:lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29929333
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Thursday 6 November 2014, 03:33:46 PM
Pot. Kettle. Black. Koreans are alcoholic f***s. :lol:

Clearly a p*ss take though.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 14 November 2014, 11:55:18 AM
What's the weather like for people outside of Newry? We're in lockdown with floods. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Friday 14 November 2014, 12:33:08 PM
Dundalk supposedly the same
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Friday 14 November 2014, 01:19:09 PM
Like a summer's day in Donegal.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 14 November 2014, 01:47:58 PM
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=531409650294838
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: angrypirate71 on Saturday 15 November 2014, 02:21:17 AM
Actually... better in here.

Any of you guys in Dublin? Myself and the Prophet look like heading over in a couple of weeks. Anyone fancy meeting?

 :okay: in advance.
Just noticed this,  I'm more of a lurker than a poster round here, but I'd be up for a few jars. :)
Right by Dublin airport so anywhere is handy.

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Saturday 15 November 2014, 03:24:47 AM
Aye I missed this too. :lol: I'll meet yous for a pint if you come over.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: LesPaul on Saturday 15 November 2014, 09:01:42 AM
What's the weather like for people outside of Newry? We're in lockdown with floods. :lol:

Parts of Dublin were very badly flooded but nothing that had any impact on me. Tipp is grand. Lots of rain but nothing of biblical proportions.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 15 November 2014, 04:24:34 PM
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=310105272527764

:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 23 November 2014, 08:42:30 PM
Gregory Campbell. :anguish:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-30167847

Only in this s*** hole would this behaviour be tolerated. The irony is this daft c*** wants to be British but in Britain he'd be disgraced and forced to resign.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Sunday 23 November 2014, 09:23:39 PM
:lol: he's such a c***, the worst out of them all (which takes some doing).
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Sunday 23 November 2014, 09:39:28 PM
Gregory Campbell. :anguish:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-30167847

Only in this s*** hole would this behaviour be tolerated. The irony is this daft c*** wants to be British but in Britain he'd be disgraced and forced to resign.

Christ, how pathetic is that?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 23 November 2014, 09:43:18 PM
He's the Minister for Culture, Arts and Leisure too ffs. Proof if ever it was needed that they hand out these roles to any old c***.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 23 November 2014, 10:46:20 PM
Quote
Earlier this month, Mr Campbell began an address to the assembly with: "Curry my yoghurt can coca coalyer", in imitation of the Irish sentence "go raibh maith agat, Ceann Comhairle" which translates as "thank you, Speaker"

Now I'm hardly the worlds biggest fan of the Irish Language (like most after 14 years of learning it I can barely string a sentence together in it) but thats just stupidly antagonistic and he's your f***ing Culture Minister?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 23 November 2014, 11:06:47 PM
He's a hateful piece of s***.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Sunday 23 November 2014, 11:13:53 PM
How's he not been sacked for that?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 23 November 2014, 11:15:03 PM
How's he not been sacked for that?
thats a very good question
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 23 November 2014, 11:16:35 PM
Because Northern Ireland is a s*** hole. Our Health Minister said something like gays shouldn't be allowed to donate blood about a year ago and got away with it ffs.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 23 November 2014, 11:29:31 PM
Because Northern Ireland is a s*** hole. Our Health Minister said something like gays shouldn't be allowed to donate blood about a year ago and got away with it ffs.
:kasper: how
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 24 November 2014, 02:25:56 AM
Health Minister Poots stands by ban on gay blood donors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18476308
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 09:41:43 PM
http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-31834328

 :lol: :lol: Newry
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 10:28:16 PM
http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-31834328

 :lol: :lol: Newry
yeah that guy deserves to lose that
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Belfast Mags on Wednesday 11 March 2015, 10:30:50 PM
Why can't we just let this thread die :angry:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 13 March 2015, 06:18:09 AM
Why can't we just let this thread die :angry:

Cause there'd be no other thread to be sectarian.  ;)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Saturday 23 May 2015, 07:40:10 AM
Big day today, we voted on gay marriage yesterday and should know the results in the next few hours.

Gonna be absolutely embarrassing if we don't bring it in, the No campaign have done some magnificent scaremongering the last few months though and I'm very worried that enough dimwits have been swayed by them.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Saturday 23 May 2015, 11:36:45 AM
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/referendum/ireland-says-yes-by-up-to-21-margin-31246520.html

Well done Ireland if that's the case.  :thup:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 23 May 2015, 12:50:37 PM
If Tipperary North is showing a 60-40 yes vote then it's going to be a massive victory. First country to legalise gay marriage by vote
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Saturday 23 May 2015, 01:10:04 PM
Good chance that all 43 constituencies are gonna have a Yes majority. :)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 23 May 2015, 04:34:08 PM
:thup: well done
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 23 May 2015, 06:08:52 PM
Good chance that all 43 constituencies are gonna have a Yes majority. :)

Roscommon/Leitrim :yao:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Haz on Saturday 23 May 2015, 06:15:58 PM
Christian bigot reckons it'll all end in tears. Mediaeval c***.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 23 May 2015, 06:26:11 PM
Good chance that all 43 constituencies are gonna have a Yes majority. :)

Roscommon/Leitrim :yao:
Gently reminding people that they exist
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 23 May 2015, 07:07:27 PM
not all that surprising given the polls beforehand. Any word on the other referendum, the one the media and politicians seemed to pretend didn't exist.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 23 May 2015, 07:21:12 PM
not all that surprising given the polls beforehand. Any word on the other referendum, the one the media and politicians seemed to pretend didn't exist.
Massive no vote
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Saturday 23 May 2015, 07:23:30 PM
What's the other?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 23 May 2015, 08:04:46 PM
What's the other?
Lowering the minimum age of presidential candidates to 21, its now 35. It's a small bit hypocritical that the pro gay marriage slogan was "Yes to equality" and then this age vote gets destroyed maintaining an inequality :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 23 May 2015, 10:19:33 PM
Only 62% voted yes to same sex marriage? :hmm: I know it's nitpicking but It shows that there is still a lot of predudice in Ireland when 38% are against it. Still it is a massive step forward so  :clap:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 23 May 2015, 10:20:43 PM
Only 62% voted yes to same sex marriage? :hmm: I know it's nitpicking but It shows that there is still a lot of predudice in Ireland when 38% are against it. Still it is a massive step forward so  :clap:
Homosexuality was illegal in Ireland 20 years ago so massive change in attitudes recently
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Saturday 23 May 2015, 10:40:21 PM
We had a referendum on divorce in 1995, it passed by less than 1%.

Divorce. :lol:

The younger generations don't give a s*** about the Catholic church, but for a long time it was a thoroughly cowed populace. Last few weeks we've seen grandmothers and grandfathers coming out in support of this referendum, which would have been unthinkable only a few years ago.

Sadly we're still not as forward thinking as we should be, and some of the No campaign people should be ashamed of themselves, but we've made great strides.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 23 May 2015, 10:45:57 PM
I can understand why some people might be against because marriage was originally a religious ceremony, blah blah etc. But at the end of the day, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it should stop other people doing it.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 23 May 2015, 10:49:43 PM
I can understand why some people might be against because marriage was originally a religious ceremony, blah blah etc. But at the end of the day, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it should stop other people doing it.

It's a slippery slope innit. Next we'll have people marrying turtles and self-wanking clones.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Klaus on Saturday 23 May 2015, 10:54:54 PM
I can understand why some people might be against because marriage was originally a religious ceremony, blah blah etc. But at the end of the day, just because you don't agree with it, doesn't mean it should stop other people doing it.

It's a slippery slope innit. Next we'll have people marrying turtles and self-wanking clones.
:lol: aye but the turtles and clones should also be entitled to vote in a referendum on those issues.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 25 June 2015, 01:22:55 AM
https://www.change.org/p/house-of-the-oireachtas-michael-d-higgins-seanad-éireann-launch-a-referendum-for-the-republic-of-ireland-to-rejoin-the-united-kingdom-in-2020 (https://www.change.org/p/house-of-the-oireachtas-michael-d-higgins-seanad-éireann-launch-a-referendum-for-the-republic-of-ireland-to-rejoin-the-united-kingdom-in-2020)

:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Thursday 25 June 2015, 03:32:57 PM
https://www.change.org/p/house-of-the-oireachtas-michael-d-higgins-seanad-éireann-launch-a-referendum-for-the-republic-of-ireland-to-rejoin-the-united-kingdom-in-2020 (https://www.change.org/p/house-of-the-oireachtas-michael-d-higgins-seanad-éireann-launch-a-referendum-for-the-republic-of-ireland-to-rejoin-the-united-kingdom-in-2020)

:lol:
What a div :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Thursday 25 June 2015, 03:35:50 PM
https://www.change.org/p/house-of-the-oireachtas-michael-d-higgins-seanad-éireann-launch-a-referendum-for-the-republic-of-ireland-to-rejoin-the-united-kingdom-in-2020 (https://www.change.org/p/house-of-the-oireachtas-michael-d-higgins-seanad-éireann-launch-a-referendum-for-the-republic-of-ireland-to-rejoin-the-united-kingdom-in-2020)

:lol:
What a div :lol:

Thats gonner get some traction.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Thursday 25 June 2015, 05:01:54 PM
how very odd
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: ian on Thursday 25 June 2015, 05:47:59 PM
Hope we get a say!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Thursday 25 June 2015, 05:51:23 PM
Hope we get a say!
Eh, it's not going to happen :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 25 June 2015, 08:40:08 PM
Get the 26 back together with the north to form a new 32 county Irish country in the UK, then in about 20 or more years have an all Ireland vote for independence. I see what's going on here.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Friday 24 July 2015, 02:20:58 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-33647867

Can see this being used for more fleg style rioting. Unsurprisingly, I'm in full support of the move. Everyone from the city calls it Derry, even people like Gregory Campbell. The Londonderry schtick is all for the cameras.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 26 August 2015, 12:58:16 PM
UUP have fecked off.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Friday 16 October 2015, 11:13:26 PM
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-news/willie-frazer-threatens-airport-protests-over-irish-merchandise-1-7016289

Quote
A claimed lack of ‘Northern Ireland’ branded products for sale at Belfast International Airport could lead to a series of protests, Willie Frazer has said.

 :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 17 October 2015, 12:53:02 AM
Surely most people who come here just see it all as Ireland anyway? Not as one country obviously, but the appeal being the island as a unit.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Saturday 17 October 2015, 01:00:45 AM
I think I tend to associate it more with the island than I do with the UK tbh
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 17 October 2015, 01:06:07 AM
You're trying to respond to this as if Willie Frazer is even slightly capable of rational thought.  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Monday 2 November 2015, 05:56:28 PM
Vote passed for marriage equality in Northern Ireland, but the DUP veto it. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 5 November 2015, 08:40:30 AM
right, moving this from the help thread to here on advice:

giving serious consideration to moving to southern ireland to work and live in the new year and looking for some general advice on things there that might lead to more specific stuff as i go

short version it'll be me, the wife and 6 year old daughter rocking up and i'll be trying to find work and accommodation on arrival so i'm interested in things like the general job market (my background is oil and gas logistics so will be looking for something vaguely related if possible), renting apartments, places to actually look at locating (clearly i'd imagine dublin is best for jobs but are there any other viable alternatives?), finding a decent school for the bairn...

and so on and so forth

thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Munkey on Thursday 5 November 2015, 01:16:55 PM
just moved to Ireland a few month ago with my wife and daughter. had a job sorted out so it wasn't that painful - getting a PPS number, tax stuff sorted was a chore.  job market is picking up a fair bit, but i work in IT so generally a fair few jobs. Galway and Cork are probably yer best bet..or move outside of Dublin and drive in.

depending on where you want to go regarding renting/ houses. Dublin is expensive and housing at a premium. I went to Donegal which is like Northumberland except worse infrastructure - but cheaper houses

i'm sure irish folk on here can give more detailed advice

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Thursday 12 November 2015, 04:40:49 PM
https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/videos/434764623395161/
 :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Thursday 12 November 2015, 04:47:53 PM
 :laugh:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Thursday 12 November 2015, 04:54:29 PM
 :spit:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: henke on Thursday 12 November 2015, 10:25:59 PM
Jesus, they're still flying the Israeli fleg too.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 13 November 2015, 03:59:57 AM
This thread is so so sectarian against protestants, it's ridiculous.

(http://oi68.tinypic.com/9i8sg4.jpg)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Friday 13 November 2015, 04:21:52 AM
:lol: what's the significance of the national rail logo?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 13 November 2015, 04:26:17 AM
Getting the train to Colearine probably.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 13 November 2015, 07:48:31 AM
Don't think Messi realises that JB is protestant, just not an idiot. :lol: that video man.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Friday 13 November 2015, 07:56:05 AM
*From a Protestant background.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 13 November 2015, 08:24:27 AM
*From a Protestant background.

Shut up prod
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Friday 13 November 2015, 08:49:06 AM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 13 November 2015, 09:15:28 PM
right, moving this from the help thread to here on advice:

giving serious consideration to moving to southern ireland to work and live in the new year and looking for some general advice on things there that might lead to more specific stuff as i go

short version it'll be me, the wife and 6 year old daughter rocking up and i'll be trying to find work and accommodation on arrival so i'm interested in things like the general job market (my background is oil and gas logistics so will be looking for something vaguely related if possible), renting apartments, places to actually look at locating (clearly i'd imagine dublin is best for jobs but are there any other viable alternatives?), finding a decent school for the bairn...

and so on and so forth

thanks in advance!

Stay away from Dublin. Over expensive and outside of the city centre it's a massive s*** hole. Galway is nice. My place seem to always be recruiting too. Based in Carlow about an hour from Dublin. If you end up around there sure I'll pass on the info.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Friday 13 November 2015, 09:17:34 PM
What's Marlay Park like for gigs lads? Thinking of heading over for the Roses next year, instead of Manchester.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 13 November 2015, 09:17:57 PM
What's Marlay Park like for gigs lads? Thinking of heading over for the Roses next year, instead of Manchester.

Me and Froggy went last year and I thought it was cracking.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Friday 13 November 2015, 09:19:18 PM
What's Marlay Park like for gigs lads? Thinking of heading over for the Roses next year, instead of Manchester.

Me and Froggy went last year and I thought it was cracking.

 :thup: Answer I was looking for.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 13 November 2015, 09:21:22 PM
https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/videos/434764623395161/
 :lol:

The Israel fleg. :lol: Aren't those flegs supposed to be taken down at dusk? What kind of fleggers are they.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Friday 13 November 2015, 09:22:16 PM
Saw Daft Punk there a few years back, thought it was good craic.

Think I may have been on yokes though. Probably.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Saturday 14 November 2015, 09:25:35 AM
What's Marlay Park like for gigs lads? Thinking of heading over for the Roses next year, instead of Manchester.

Me and Froggy went last year and I thought it was cracking.

 :thup: Answer I was looking for.

Aye, Marlay Park is class.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 14 November 2015, 01:52:43 PM
:lol: what's the significance of the national rail logo?

They're trying to emulate English football hooligans.  The first firms avoided the police by using standard intercity trains instead of football specials (usually on student rail cards) and so you had gangs calling themselves the ICF (which you can also see on the flag) or "Intercity Firm" of their club.  The main one was the West Ham ICF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inter_City_Firm) but I've seen old hooligan cards referring to Newcastle ICF.   On their calling cards they'd usually have their firm name and the National Rail logo.



Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: henke on Saturday 14 November 2015, 04:32:16 PM
Only the railways in NI isn't / was never "british rail". Different company, different gauge, so "ICF" makes them look spackers twice over.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 14 November 2015, 05:08:25 PM
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/12246900_435345583337065_2074865523763122995_n.jpg?oh=5d066aee79b8bc93da3dcdd334c69c0f&oe=56BEAD46)

Christ.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: bhoywhonder on Saturday 14 November 2015, 05:10:17 PM
"progress"......
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Saturday 14 November 2015, 05:29:02 PM
:anguish:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 14 November 2015, 06:48:52 PM
Went on the mural tour in Belfast today, absolutely fascinating and completely f***ing mental.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ndegwa on Saturday 14 November 2015, 06:51:06 PM
A question to our Irish (Eire) posters...is there any great desire within the country Ireland to join up with United Kingdom or are most people purely 'nationalistic'?

It might be a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Saturday 14 November 2015, 06:53:55 PM
In the south no, none at all.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 14 November 2015, 06:54:57 PM
A question to our Irish (Eire) posters...is there any great desire within the country Ireland to join up with United Kingdom or are most people purely 'nationalistic'?

It might be a stupid question, but I'm genuinely interested.
:yao:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ndegwa on Saturday 14 November 2015, 06:56:54 PM
In the south no, none at all.

Fair play.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: chopey on Saturday 14 November 2015, 08:18:55 PM
I'm off to Belfast in December, any tips for good bars
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlueStar on Saturday 14 November 2015, 08:32:31 PM
Went on the mural tour in Belfast today, absolutely fascinating and completely f***ing mental.

Taxi tour? A mate did it last week, said it was pretty crackers. Also said the pubs were fantastic. Who'd have guessed the Irish could do a good pub?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Saturday 14 November 2015, 08:36:21 PM
Who'd have guessed the Irish could do a good pub?

If you're thinking about using that as a compliment over here be sure of your surroundings. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Saturday 14 November 2015, 10:46:54 PM
I'm off to Belfast in December, any tips for good bars

There's hundreds of billions of good bars here. Depends what you're looking for though.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: samptime29 on Sunday 15 November 2015, 01:08:36 AM
Went on the mural tour in Belfast today, absolutely fascinating and completely f***ing mental.

I've been reading up on The Troubles recently and it's absolutely mental. Some of the stories man.

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 15 November 2015, 01:15:25 AM
Went on the mural tour in Belfast today, absolutely fascinating and completely f***ing mental.

Taxi tour? A mate did it last week, said it was pretty crackers. Also said the pubs were fantastic. Who'd have guessed the Irish could do a good pub?

Aye, an absolute must if you come here, proper mad s***, and much closer to the city centre than I expected. There's a good documentary on Netflix about it, The Art of Conflict. Obviously I know that in these communities there'll not be a great deal of people selling their properties but did amuse me quite a bit to think of.

"It's got a new kitchen, south facing garden and we've just had the place rewired. Oh and we've got this f***ing enormous tribute to a serial murderer on the gable end."
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: chopey on Sunday 15 November 2015, 08:36:45 AM
I'm off to Belfast in December, any tips for good bars

There's hundreds of billions of good bars here. Depends what you're looking for though.

I'm going with the wife and a few couples so just some nice bars not to expensive, we are staying at the stormount hotel and I've been told its about 3 mile from the bars
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Wednesday 2 December 2015, 02:01:00 AM
https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/videos/438998359638454/

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 2 December 2015, 04:41:26 AM
:lol: The what?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Tuesday 19 January 2016, 11:23:01 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/irelands-easter-rising-and-how-history-is-being-twisted-in-celebrating-the-struggle-for-independence-a6820141.html
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: chopey on Monday 8 February 2016, 09:23:48 PM
Looks like its kicking off again
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Monday 8 February 2016, 09:30:13 PM
The shootings in Dublin? It's all gang related, it'll all settle down again in a month or so.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:05:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjvNUNXhkU


I'm a sucker for this kinda music.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:24:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjvNUNXhkU


I'm a sucker for this kinda music.
Blonde girl to the left of the singer :megusta: The Irish language is class IMO, pity nobody can speak it. Also how the f*** did you find that? :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:25:35 AM
The guy at 2:32 needs to be made into a GIF :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:26:31 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxjvNUNXhkU


I'm a sucker for this kinda music.
Blonde girl to the left of the singer :megusta: The Irish language is class IMO, pity nobody can speak it. Also how the f*** did you find that? :lol:

Popped up on reddit
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:27:37 AM
The guy at 2:32 needs to be made into a GIF :lol:

:lol: I hit play and switched to another tab, should've watched just for some of those ladies.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:32:22 AM
There's something in the water in the Irish speaking regions. The Irish language TV station's news and weather girls were the best pre internet w*** material available.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:42:10 AM
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-09-2016/NaKbUy.gif)

 :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 01:50:15 AM
(http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-09-2016/NaKbUy.gif)

 :lol:

:lol: off his tits the c***.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Tuesday 9 February 2016, 03:05:10 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Thursday 25 February 2016, 01:48:53 PM
What way are people voting tomorrow? Still don't have a clue who I'll vote for. The candidates in my constituency are ridiculously bad
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Thursday 25 February 2016, 07:46:13 PM
What way are people voting tomorrow? Still don't have a clue who I'll vote for. The candidates in my constituency are ridiculously bad

I haven't really followed it because I don't live there anymore but it looks like a depressingly similar shower of s*** as the last time. Any chance that anyone goes into Gov with the Shinners?

:lol: Is Lowry in your constituency ?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Thursday 25 February 2016, 08:01:12 PM
Taking a wee trip over in July, will be in dublin for a few days with maybe a couple of days elsewhere before heading up to Belfast for the ferry home. Any tips on where to go in between, and any good bits of Dulbin I should be looking to go to? Was thinking Galway for a day/night anyway, will probably hire a car so could head anywhere though really.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Thursday 25 February 2016, 08:06:02 PM
Galway is great, lovely pubs and restaurants and a really nice atmosphere.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Friday 26 February 2016, 01:07:10 PM
What way are people voting tomorrow? Still don't have a clue who I'll vote for. The candidates in my constituency are ridiculously bad

I haven't really followed it because I don't live there anymore but it looks like a depressingly similar shower of s*** as the last time. Any chance that anyone goes into Gov with the Shinners?

Is Lowry in your constituency ?
Everyone seems massively opposed to going in with sinn fein. Looks like we could be voting again in a few months unless Fine Gael and Fianna Fail go in together.

Yes Lowry is in my constituency and yes he will most likely get the most first preference votes in the country
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Friday 26 February 2016, 09:24:51 PM
It'll be some joke if FF and FG end up going into government together.

Got to respect Lowry for being such a shameless crook and managing to get re-elected at a canter every time :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Friday 26 February 2016, 09:36:06 PM
It'll be some joke if FF and FG end up going into government together.

Got to respect Lowry for being such a shameless crook and managing to get re-elected at a canter every time
It's like a f***ing cult man. If you said something bad about Lowry in Thurles you'd probably be in a bodybag by the end of the week
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 26 February 2016, 09:36:33 PM
It'll be some joke if FF and FG end up going into government together.

Got to respect Lowry for being such a shameless crook and managing to get re-elected at a canter every time :lol:
even if they did (they won't) I doubt it would last, FF would bail the first moment the polls for them were indicating they'd win more seats
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Friday 26 February 2016, 10:01:56 PM
Erm?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-looks-likely-to-hold-referendum-on-whether-a-womans-place-is-in-the-home-after-new-a6898166.html
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Friday 26 February 2016, 10:45:38 PM
Erm?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ireland-looks-likely-to-hold-referendum-on-whether-a-womans-place-is-in-the-home-after-new-a6898166.html
First I heard of it
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 27 February 2016, 08:32:24 PM
It'll be some joke if FF and FG end up going into government together.

Got to respect Lowry for being such a shameless crook and managing to get re-elected at a canter every time
It's like a f***ing cult man. If you said something bad about Lowry in Thurles you'd probably be in a bodybag by the end of the week

Another cakewalk :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 27 February 2016, 08:38:56 PM
It'll be some joke if FF and FG end up going into government together.

Got to respect Lowry for being such a shameless crook and managing to get re-elected at a canter every time
It's like a f***ing cult man. If you said something bad about Lowry in Thurles you'd probably be in a bodybag by the end of the week

Another cakewalk :lol:
A massive sign at the count centre entitled

"Lord Lowry of Tipperary
The People's Choice"

 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 27 February 2016, 08:48:23 PM
how in gods name do you reelect him every f***ing time when he's such a blatant crook. Anyway I'd bet on this being done again inside 6 months
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 27 February 2016, 08:58:07 PM
I can't say too much as our Gerry is topping the polls in my home constituency :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 27 February 2016, 09:00:29 PM
the worst I've got is Martin and Coveney who have criminal level of blandness
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 27 February 2016, 09:03:34 PM
I always liked Martin for some reason, less so when he became FF leader though. 
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 27 February 2016, 09:10:47 PM
Alan Shatter loses his seat  :memelol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 27 February 2016, 09:16:35 PM
Aye I like Martin as well, the most leader like of the party leaders. Tbf the other candidates in Tipp are absolutely shocking as well. Mattie McGrath is coming second. Alan Kelly will probably get in too, the most Alan Pardew type person I've ever met in my life with his "power is a drug, it suits me" s****
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 27 February 2016, 09:19:54 PM
could be worse, how in gods name can not one but two Healy-Rae's get elected
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 27 February 2016, 09:30:46 PM
Was it Alan Kelly that John Delaney was canvassing for? If so that's all I need to know about him.

The Healy-Rae's ffs what an embarrassment.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 27 February 2016, 09:34:28 PM
Was it Alan Kelly that John Delaney was canvassing for? If so that's all I need to know about him.

The Healy-Rae's ffs what an embarrassment.
Yes that was Alan Kelly, also refers to himself as AK47
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 27 February 2016, 10:52:58 PM
Was it Alan Kelly that John Delaney was canvassing for? If so that's all I need to know about him.

The Healy-Rae's ffs what an embarrassment.
Yes that was Alan Kelly, also refers to himself as AK47
why in gods name does he call himself that
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Sunday 28 February 2016, 03:02:16 AM
Was it Alan Kelly that John Delaney was canvassing for? If so that's all I need to know about him.

The Healy-Rae's ffs what an embarrassment.
Yes that was Alan Kelly, also refers to himself as AK47
why in gods name does he call himself that
Cos he's a weapon
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Sunday 28 February 2016, 07:01:20 PM
The aforementioned weapon.


Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 28 February 2016, 08:12:22 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Sunday 28 February 2016, 10:56:19 PM
He's definitely a psychopath
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Monday 29 February 2016, 07:34:02 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/29/7526139d90dd902a4deb0af28fcf215b.jpg)

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 29 February 2016, 07:34:49 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Wednesday 2 March 2016, 07:10:07 PM
Anti-Islamic group calls for volunteers to join its street patrols

(http://www.irishnews.com/picturesarchive/irishnews/irishnews/2016/03/02/182135468-9d107656-5f52-44c6-a9d0-0045243e3301.jpg)
http://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2016/03/02/news/anti-islamic-group-calls-for-volunteers-to-join-its-street-patrols-437514/

f*** off.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: henke on Wednesday 2 March 2016, 07:30:09 PM
What are they looking out for on these patrols?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 2 March 2016, 07:30:13 PM
Wahey.  Are they linked to Finland's SoO?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 2 March 2016, 07:51:30 PM
what an odd name for a group, I would ask the origins of such a name but that would be giving them more credibility than they deserve
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Wednesday 2 March 2016, 07:53:29 PM
Finland have a group under that name, came about the last few months. 
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Thursday 3 March 2016, 12:20:20 AM
Wahey.  Are they linked to Finland's SoO?

Apparently so. Surely we have enough local half-wits, we don't need to start importing them.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Thursday 3 March 2016, 12:25:45 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 4 March 2016, 11:23:19 AM
Tomorrow will be like NI in 1996.

Portadown v Lurgan Celtic in the 1/4 final of the Irish Cup.  Both teams are gonna bring out as many lads as possible and it's gonna be a lot, and no doubt a lot of people will be tooled up.  Lurgan Celtic are s**** but I've seen on insta that they are bringing every Catholic within a 20 mile radius including lads from Portadown .  Even named themselves after Cliftonville's firm lol.

Last round Coleraine came to Portadown and they brought about 70 lads and they are f***ing NF arseholes, and when the few polis escorting them seen Portadown storming out of an alleyway they literally said "f*** this" and did a runner :lol: Was about a 10 minute brawl on one of the town's main streets completely blocking traffic.

Tomorrow night's gonna be an absolute killing match aswell as the main bars in Portadown, which are always mixed anyway, are only a few minute walk to the only nationalist area in town but also same to of the main Loyalist areas.  Gonna be fighting around town all day and night.

Think I'll sit in..
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 4 March 2016, 11:41:07 AM
People need to grow the f*** up. :lol: There's been a lot of progression in terms of sectarianism over the last 10 years. Let's keep it that way. Frampton going to bring peace between New Lodge and Tigers Bay. :yao:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 4 March 2016, 11:52:03 AM
Well not really considering dissidents planted a a bomb in East Belfast last night which injured several people. :lol:

There will never be progression as there will always be arseholes who go out of their way to be sectarian, we both know this.

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 4 March 2016, 11:56:16 AM
Well not really considering dissidents planted a a bomb in East Belfast last night which injured several people. :lol:

There will never be progression as there will always be arseholes who go out of their way to be sectarian, we both know this.



30 seconds from my house too. Someone shot last week on the Ormeau and all. Still though, it's nowhere near as bad. I feel a lot safer. Still moving out of East Belfast as we speak. :lol:

(all money related)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 4 March 2016, 12:04:38 PM
You leave in the east, wtf? :lol:

I'm a prod and I've been up a Glens/Blacknecks bar on the Newtonawards road once and I was sure I wasn't coming back out.  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Oz on Friday 4 March 2016, 12:16:17 PM
Tomorrow will be like NI in 1996.

Portadown v Lurgan Celtic in the 1/4 final of the Irish Cup.  Both teams are gonna bring out as many lads as possible and it's gonna be a lot, and no doubt a lot of people will be tooled up.  Lurgan Celtic are s**** but I've seen on insta that they are bringing every Catholic within a 20 mile radius including lads from Portadown .  Even named themselves after Cliftonville's firm lol.

Last round Coleraine came to Portadown and they brought about 70 lads and they are f***ing NF arseholes, and when the few polis escorting them seen Portadown storming out of an alleyway they literally said "f*** this" and did a runner :lol: Was about a 10 minute brawl on one of the town's main streets completely blocking traffic.

Tomorrow night's gonna be an absolute killing match aswell as the main bars in Portadown, which are always mixed anyway, are only a few minute walk to the only nationalist area in town but also same to of the main Loyalist areas.  Gonna be fighting around town all day and night.

Think I'll sit in..

I would hardly worry too much.

The Ports are so s**** that none of their fans care anymore. As you say though you'll probably get a fair few out for the day because they are playing their Catholic neighbours from Lurgan.

Hopefully Lurgan Celtic can do the business and Glenavon draw them in the semi final..... :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 4 March 2016, 12:29:57 PM
You leave in the east, wtf? :lol:

I'm a prod and I've been up a Glens/Blacknecks bar on the Newtonawards road once and I was sure I wasn't coming back out.  :lol:

It's not that bad like. :lol: I walk about the East in O'Neills gear these days. Nobody gives a f***. I'm a half and half anyway. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Friday 4 March 2016, 12:30:28 PM
Saying that I wouldn't be going into many bars in the East.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Friday 4 March 2016, 12:36:08 PM
We've had a few protests this season and a Ronnie Out banner.  I've been a Portadown fan since I was 5.  Was at the Cup Final v Glenavon in 1991 where people where having to sit on the steps of the North Stand at Windsor cause it was that packed.

I'll be there tomorrow and I'm sure we'll just about scrape through cause as you said we're f***ing s**** but LC are a lot worse and Ronnie will end up getting a year long contract extention the f***ing buffoon.

We have the best fans in the country when it comes to the Cup and we were f***ing robbed in the Final last year.  Glentoran brought, Hearts, Burnley and Villa over to the final and even a few Glen lads I know said our support couldn't be matched.  We didn't even have York with us.


Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Heron on Saturday 12 March 2016, 08:53:26 AM
Is it kicking off in Belfast again?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: colinmk on Monday 28 March 2016, 04:19:41 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJJ5q1_5jX8&feature=youtu.be&t=1m36s

Didn't know anything about this man until hearing him this weekend, what an inspirational president you guys have.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 2 May 2016, 12:55:06 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chcu1pbXEAA0Ipp.jpg)

:facepalm:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Monday 2 May 2016, 01:55:13 PM
What a dickhead.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Monday 2 May 2016, 02:50:16 PM
Gerry Adams ‏@GerryAdamsSF  12h12 hours ago
Any1 who saw Django would know my tweets&N-word were ironic.Nationalists in Nth were treated like African Americans.

:lol: areet Gerry.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ndegwa on Monday 2 May 2016, 03:15:12 PM
f***ing hell  :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 2 May 2016, 04:10:13 PM
good f***ing grief
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 7 May 2016, 01:20:02 AM
https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/videos/485727548298868/

 :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Kaizero on Saturday 7 May 2016, 01:25:20 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Saturday 7 May 2016, 03:03:14 AM
Yeah, let's just quickly brush under the carpet that the leader of Sein Fein is a provo and a racist to laugh at an old, innocent Protestant man..

This thread. 🙈
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Saturday 7 May 2016, 03:15:24 AM
 :lol: How many posts on it is enough then?

FWIW I was happy to see the shinners lose out to people before profit, shows that people are waking up to the fact that they don't care about improving things for people and are just the other side of the sectarian coin to the DUP.

Great to see 2 People Before Profit and what should be 2 Green party MLAs elected, gives some hope that we can move away from sectarian politics to some degree.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Tuesday 10 May 2016, 02:17:32 PM
3 shootings here in the past 24 hours, 1 person killed.
Quote
A man in his 50s is shot dead as he sat in a car in Belfast, in what is the third gun attack in the city within 24 hours.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36252484
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36252477
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36245234
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Tuesday 10 May 2016, 02:20:25 PM
DUP voters out celebrating.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mr. Snrub on Tuesday 10 May 2016, 04:17:25 PM
Us unionists are just enjoying the weather while provo scumbags are out shooting kids and fathers.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tooj on Sunday 9 October 2016, 07:49:19 PM
Anybody been watching this Simon Reeve program on Ireland? Normally a fan of what he does and I'm really enjoying this as well.

I'd be interested if any of our Irish posters are watching and their thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 9 January 2017, 06:58:25 PM
See the chief terrorist is causing ructions over 'heating'.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 9 January 2017, 07:03:04 PM
To be fair, he's in the right. 
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Monday 9 January 2017, 07:06:02 PM
I know nothing about it but going to assume he's forcing an election for his party's own personal gain.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Disco on Monday 9 January 2017, 07:09:04 PM
With Northern Ireland being a massive council estate you'd have assumed all the bulildings would be centrally heat like in Poland.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 9 January 2017, 07:13:53 PM
I'm the same, not sure of this instance, but of course he wants to get his party in control, they achieve nothing by trying to work with those utter morons.  The anti-SF (no matter what) lot could do a lot better than constantly voting for their 'side'. 
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 09:51:05 PM
The jist of it as far as I know was there was a scheme were if you heated your property using renewable energy some of the costs were subsidised by the government, however it was a complete cluster f*** because for every £1 you spent the government gave you £1.60 back! So you had farmers and the like heating massive sheds all year round and basically making free money off it.

The problem is certain members of the DUP, particularly the current First Minister who was Finance Minister at the time, knew exactly what was going on. To make matters worse some people with close links to the DUP were actually using the scheme to make money which raises the question about whether or not they were encouraged by members of the assembly to take advantage.

The costs in the end ran to about half a billion quid, which is a lot given the country gets an £11 billion block grant each year to run the place. Also you lot are actually have to pay for half the costs because Westminster has committed to replacing half the money I believe.

Another problem is that in the face of criticism the First Minister has acted arrogantly and has pretty much acted like 50 quid was wasted rather than half a billion of public money. She has refused to resign, even temporarily while an inquiry was carried out, and has posted meme's on her Facebook page saying s*** like "haters gonna hate" which has infuriated everyone. It's like having a f***ing teenager as First Minister. McGuinness brought the house down and rightly so but unfortunately the f*** tards in this place will just vote the DUP back in after the election so we're likely to get yet another election after that.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 09:53:55 PM
Which clusterfucks allowed that scheme to happen ffs.  £1.60 back for every £1 spent. :mackems:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 09:55:31 PM
Which clusterfucks allowed that scheme to happen ffs.  £1.60 back for every £1 spent. :mackems:

The First Minister and the party with the majority in the assembly. :lol: The place is f***ed. I'd honestly take direct rule until all the dinosaurs over here die off and we can have a group of non sectarian politicians coming through.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: TheHoob on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 09:55:48 PM

Another problem is that in the face of criticism the First Minister has acted arrogantly and has pretty much acted like 50 quid was wasted rather than half a billion of public money. She has refused to resign, even temporarily while an inquiry was carried out, and has posted meme's on her Facebook page saying s*** like "haters gonna hate" which has infuriated everyone. It's like having a f***ing teenager as First Minister. McGuinness brought the house down and rightly so but unfortunately the f*** tards in this place will just vote the DUP back in after the election so we're likely to get yet another election after that.

 :lol: Hadn't heard that bit, christ man.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 09:58:35 PM
Here's a short timeline outlining most of the issue:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38301428
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: TheHoob on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 10:00:28 PM
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 10:27:49 PM
how the holy hell did nobody at all in the bureaucracy, government or the assembly notice that big a cock up/corruption before it got passed (I assume it had to go before the NI assembly for approval right?)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Dave on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 10:33:45 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-38247170
Quote
The whistleblower said she initially contacted DETI with her concerns after researching online.

The woman, who runs a heating company, said she had contacted Mrs Foster in 2013 and the department in 2014 and 2015, but her warnings were not acted on.

"It felt like I was hitting a brick wall," she said.

Arlene Foster said "she did all that was appropriate in the circumstances"

"It took five minutes of a just a normal person looking online to realise it wasn't right," she said,

She said she later went to Mrs Foster, who asked her to meet energy officials.

The whistleblower said she told them in October 2013 that people were "basically being incentivised to have the heat on and kept on".

"Their total answer to me and leaving comment was 'we don't think people will do that'. I said they will and they are, because that's what's happening on the ground."

She said she had visited businesses who left the heating system on constantly because "the more they heated, the more money they made".

"I would go into hotels, maybe care homes, and it would be 24 degrees outside, the heat's still on and the windows are open."

The whistleblower added: "I went into an office one time, not that long ago, and they (the business) were tenants. It was really warm, they had the windows open. Basically the landlord was just heating all the time."

She described the scheme was "madness" but said you "can't really blame those people when it's made attractive to them in that way".

:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 10:46:03 PM
I'm astounded that anyone on any level thought this scheme would make economic sense.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 10:53:40 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 10 January 2017, 11:04:28 PM
I'm astounded that anyone on any level thought this scheme would make economic sense.

That's the scandal though. It was used to make people money and nothing else.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Monday 23 January 2017, 10:55:41 AM
Can one of the Southern Irishers send me a bag of Tayto crisps please? :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Andymc1 on Monday 23 January 2017, 10:57:43 AM
Can one of the Southern Irishers send me a bag of Tayto crisps please? :lol:

I think they're from Northern Ireland! Or at least I know they're popular in Belfast.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:12:03 PM
Can one of the Southern Irishers send me a bag of Tayto crisps please?

I think they're from Northern Ireland! Or at least I know they're popular in Belfast.
Presume you'd get then anywhere on the island but they are made in Co. Meath near Dublin. They're a massive brand over here, even have a theme park but you'd easily get better crisps IMO
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:31:38 PM
There's two completely separate companies, north and south of the border, basically making the same thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Republic_of_Ireland)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Northern_Ireland)

It's the ones from the south I want, I think - basically I want any packet of  crisps with an expiry date other than a Saturday: http://www.dailyedge.ie/crisps-2351061-Sep2015/

A bloke at work reckons it's impossible to find a pack anywhere in the world that expires on a day other than a Saturday. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Andymc1 on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:32:58 PM
There's two completely separate companies, north and south of the border, basically making the same thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Republic_of_Ireland)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Northern_Ireland)

It's the ones from the south I want, I think - basically I want any packet of  crisps with an expiry date other than a Saturday: http://www.dailyedge.ie/crisps-2351061-Sep2015/

A bloke at work reckons it's impossible to find a pack anywhere in the world that expires on a day other than a Saturday. :lol:

:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:33:53 PM
Tayto is the name of two different crisp companies, one based North of the border in Armagh (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Northern_Ireland)) and one based south of the border in Meath (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Republic_of_Ireland)).

NI Mr Tayto:
(http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/migration_catalog/article25658833.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/tayto)

Creepy Irish Mr Tayto with cold, dead eyes:
(http://www.taytopark.ie/img/mr-potato-transparent.png)
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:34:11 PM
ffs
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Andymc1 on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:36:53 PM
There's two completely separate companies, north and south of the border, basically making the same thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Republic_of_Ireland)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tayto_(Northern_Ireland)

It's the ones from the south I want, I think - basically I want any packet of  crisps with an expiry date other than a Saturday: http://www.dailyedge.ie/crisps-2351061-Sep2015/

A bloke at work reckons it's impossible to find a pack anywhere in the world that expires on a day other than a Saturday. :lol:

Good news for you, check your Facebook in a couple of minutes. I'm about to send you a picture of some M&S crisps that I've just ate with an expiry date of a Tuesday!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:39:28 PM
Dead eyes. Like a dolls eyes.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Monday 23 January 2017, 12:48:58 PM
Do you just want some crisps to eat Wullie? PM me your address and I'll send you a few packets.

If you want me to go checking crisps for their expiry date then nah. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 23 January 2017, 02:03:01 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Monday 23 January 2017, 02:51:13 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 08:24:12 AM
I'm over in a couple of weeks Wullie if you want a packet of the proper Tayto (the northern Tayto).
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 09:35:01 AM
Oh look, a person from Northern Ireland being oddly partisan about something stupid. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 24 January 2017, 03:09:44 PM
Even Northern Irish crisp companies love flags
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 27 January 2017, 09:28:03 PM
People in the north can't say anything tongue in cheek without the southerns taking it the wrong way. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Shak on Friday 27 January 2017, 09:55:44 PM
I got a packet of Tayto today by the way, expiry date was a Wednesday.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Friday 27 January 2017, 10:47:10 PM
Love the different Dairy Milk version you get over there. Sweet as owt.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 06:42:15 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 07:51:41 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.
Ultimately despite his history, he will be remembered as an affable peacemaker, who was able to become friendly with people he was completely opposed to, for the greater good of peace in Northern Ireland

He will certainly be missed and I hope someone can step into his shoes and become a voice of reason. RIP.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:02:44 AM
Terrorist who died a lot later than many of the IRA's victims.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: mickthemagpie on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:06:14 AM
Terrorist who died a lot later than many of the IRA's victims.

Yep, won't be losing any sleep over this one.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: ian on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:48:51 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.

Be ashamed!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: James on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:28:50 AM
Fiend was the Jihadi John of his time, shows what a suit, being a Catholic and mingling with a few British and American politicians can do to ones image.

Rest in hell, await Gerry.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:30:56 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.

Be ashamed!
What nonsense. There is always more than one side to a debate. If the Reverend Ian Paisley was able to put aside his polar differences with Martin McGuinness to become actual friends , then surely people on Martin McGuiness' side of the situation are allowed to pay their respects?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: James on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:43:41 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.

Be ashamed!
What nonsense. There is always more than one side to a debate. If the Reverend Ian Paisley was able to put aside his polar differences with Martin McGuinness to become actual friends , then surely people on Martin McGuiness' side of the situation are allowed to pay their respects?

He was the leader of an organisation that murdered children. Deserves no respect.

All the comments of respect you read today are hollow and political.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:45:08 AM
Ultimately helped to bring peace to NI.  Got to remember Nelson Mandela was also categorised as terrorist at one point.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: James on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Ultimately helped to bring peace to NI.  Got to remember Nelson Mandela was also categorised as terrorist at one point.

Mandela did not murder anyone.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:50:10 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.

Be ashamed!
What nonsense. There is always more than one side to a debate. If the Reverend Ian Paisley was able to put aside his polar differences with Martin McGuinness to become actual friends , then surely people on Martin McGuiness' side of the situation are allowed to pay their respects?

He was the leader of an organisation that murdered children. Deserves no respect.

All the comments of respect you read today are hollow and political.
As I say, there are two sides to this argument.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: James on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:51:32 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.

Be ashamed!
What nonsense. There is always more than one side to a debate. If the Reverend Ian Paisley was able to put aside his polar differences with Martin McGuinness to become actual friends , then surely people on Martin McGuiness' side of the situation are allowed to pay their respects?

He was the leader of an organisation that murdered children. Deserves no respect.

All the comments of respect you read today are hollow and political.
As I say, there are two sides to this argument.

No two sides to child murder.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 10:07:08 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.

Be ashamed!
What nonsense. There is always more than one side to a debate. If the Reverend Ian Paisley was able to put aside his polar differences with Martin McGuinness to become actual friends , then surely people on Martin McGuiness' side of the situation are allowed to pay their respects?

He was the leader of an organisation that murdered children. Deserves no respect.

All the comments of respect you read today are hollow and political.
As I say, there are two sides to this argument.

No two sides to child murder.
Seems to me you're deliberately ignoring the actions of the British Government in the 70s. Cameron even was forced to publicly  apologise for Bloody Sunday.  Of course any murder is wrong, nobody is disputing that, but it is his huge role as peacemaker that needs respecting as does his opponents role in the process.

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: James on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 10:35:49 AM
Martin McGuinness has died. Rest in peace.

Be ashamed!
What nonsense. There is always more than one side to a debate. If the Reverend Ian Paisley was able to put aside his polar differences with Martin McGuinness to become actual friends , then surely people on Martin McGuiness' side of the situation are allowed to pay their respects?

He was the leader of an organisation that murdered children. Deserves no respect.

All the comments of respect you read today are hollow and political.
As I say, there are two sides to this argument.

No two sides to child murder.
Seems to me you're deliberately ignoring the actions of the British Government in the 70s. Cameron even was forced to publicly  apologise for Bloody Sunday.  Of course any murder is wrong, nobody is disputing that, but it is his huge role as peacemaker that needs respecting as does his opponents role in the process.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Agree that the British did bad things too.

However we are giving an assessment of Martin McGuiness - one of the most evil men in the last fifty years - FACT
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: bhoywhonder on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 10:47:27 AM
I don't want to get involved in the binary argument of whether McGuiness was a latter day saint or the devil incarnate, but when he fell ill and was at deaths door a few weeks back my cousin (lives in Co. Antrim) summed it up for me...You can't give someone credit for helping fix your car when he spent the last 30 years slashing its tyres and pissing in the petrol tank.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 10:51:45 AM
I'm not sure that's a great analogy, presumably it's only people who disagree with the IRA who think they were pissing in the petrol tank. From the other point of view they were struggling to get the car that a lot of people wanted.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 10:56:19 AM
Always sad to see a UK born man die.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: bhoywhonder on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 11:19:43 AM
I'm not sure that's a great analogy, presumably it's only people who disagree with the IRA who think they were pissing in the petrol tank. From the other point of view they were struggling to get the car that a lot of people wanted.

You might be surprised to learn that there's a hell of a lot of people, particularly in the younger generation, who didn't (and still don't) have a dog in the fight as it were, and the troubles were symptomatic of a never-ending conveyor belt of c*nts (on both sides) whose shitty actions kept spilling out into everyday people's lives. And to that end McGuiness was just yet another of these c*nts, with Paisley et al, who managed to keep communities in fear regardless of what shape cross hung round their neck.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 11:43:58 AM
I'm not sure that's a great analogy, presumably it's only people who disagree with the IRA who think they were pissing in the petrol tank. From the other point of view they were struggling to get the car that a lot of people wanted.

You might be surprised to learn that there's a hell of a lot of people, particularly in the younger generation, who didn't (and still don't) have a dog in the fight as it were, and the troubles were symptomatic of a never-ending conveyor belt of c*nts (on both sides) whose shitty actions kept spilling out into everyday people's lives. And to that end McGuiness was just yet another of these c*nts, with Paisley et al, who managed to keep communities in fear regardless of what shape cross hung round their neck.
I agree with this , both sides contributed to the horror. Both sides have since contributed to the peace. And as you have to commend  David Trimble, John Hume, Ian Paisley, Blair , Mo Mowlam, Bill Clinton and  even John Major etc , then you also have to commend the actions of Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness' during and also since this whole process.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: mickthemagpie on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 12:02:28 PM
Ultimately helped to bring peace to NI.  Got to remember Nelson Mandela was also categorised as terrorist at one point.

Mandela did not murder anyone.

Aye, Mandela was a good terrorist!
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 12:15:31 PM
I'm not sure that's a great analogy, presumably it's only people who disagree with the IRA who think they were pissing in the petrol tank. From the other point of view they were struggling to get the car that a lot of people wanted.

You might be surprised to learn that there's a hell of a lot of people, particularly in the younger generation, who didn't (and still don't) have a dog in the fight as it were, and the troubles were symptomatic of a never-ending conveyor belt of c*nts (on both sides) whose shitty actions kept spilling out into everyday people's lives. And to that end McGuiness was just yet another of these c*nts, with Paisley et al, who managed to keep communities in fear regardless of what shape cross hung round their neck.

Sure, ordinary people are always the casualties, and the IRA were wrong to the extent that any war like that is wrong. And the British did plenty of s*** stuff as well, albeit under an official banner. I just mean that saying McGuiness 'p*ssed in the fuel tank' for 30 years depends on your point of view.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Ultimately helped to bring peace to NI.  Got to remember Nelson Mandela was also categorised as terrorist at one point.

Mandela did not murder anyone.

Aye, Mandela was a good terrorist!
Anyone who can label Nelson Mandela as any kind of terrorist is indirectly supporting the regime he fought against in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 12:16:53 PM
I'm not sure that's a great analogy, presumably it's only people who disagree with the IRA who think they were pissing in the petrol tank. From the other point of view they were struggling to get the car that a lot of people wanted.

i.e non-terrorists?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 12:26:59 PM
I'm not sure that's a great analogy, presumably it's only people who disagree with the IRA who think they were pissing in the petrol tank. From the other point of view they were struggling to get the car that a lot of people wanted.

i.e non-terrorists?

Not sure what I'm supposed to answer to that. You know very well that some people agreed with what the IRA were trying to achieve. To varying degrees and to varying degrees with their methods as well.

I have no idea about the size of those groups, obviously a lot of Republicans would not want those tactics used anyway. I just find the constant rush to apply black and white strokes to the situation silly. That was what we needed to move past to make progress.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Any republican who supported the actions of the IRA was clearly scum though. Same goes for unionists who supported the actions of many British troops.

Black and white strokes are perfectly reasonable when talking about murderers & terrorist organisations tbf. Ian Huntley might go on to do a fair bit for the LGBT community, he was still a bit of a dilbert.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 12:42:00 PM
Any republican who supported the actions of the IRA was clearly scum though. Same goes for unionists who supported the actions of many British troops.

Black and white strokes are perfectly reasonable when talking about murderers & terrorist organisations tbf. Ian Huntley might go on to do a fair bit for the LGBT community, he was still a bit of a dilbert.
When you're being treated like a second class citizen in everyday life, I think it's only natural that some people will support an organisation that is standing up for you. Not condoning the awful actions committed by the IRA but I'm sure he's a hero to many in Derry
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 01:07:24 PM
Same excuse is no doubt used by those running off to Syrian training camps these days. There are always better alternatives to bombing campaigns.

That would say an awful about the people of Londonderry.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: chicken little on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 01:12:27 PM
Ultimately helped to bring peace to NI.  Got to remember Nelson Mandela was also categorised as terrorist at one point.

Mandela did not murder anyone.

he helped start umkhonto we sizwe, who killed a bunch of people.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 01:23:47 PM
Damn, RIP. I always liked him despite not being the greatest fan of Sinn Féin.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 01:28:22 PM
Same excuse is no doubt used by those running off to Syrian training camps these days. There are always better alternatives to bombing campaigns.

That would say an awful about the people of Londonderry.
Maybe they got the sense that peaceful protesting wasn't going to work when 13 of them got murdered by the army while at a peaceful protest
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Mick on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 01:32:47 PM
He was almost certainly responsible for the deaths of innocent people, he changed and his part in ending the killing should be recognised.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 03:29:46 PM
He was almost certainly responsible for the deaths of innocent people, he changed and his part in ending the killing should be recognised.
Absolutely :thup:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 03:33:51 PM
He was almost certainly responsible for the deaths of innocent people, he changed and his part in ending the killing should be recognised.
that seems about right
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 03:42:02 PM
His history would be easier to set a side if he was only targeting armed forces but with women and children being killed its a bitter pill for some people to swallow.

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 03:48:50 PM
Predictable nuanced discussion going on here. His moves (along with the likes of Gerry Adams) towards peace are the main reason I've grown up in a province at relative peace and not had to suffer the conflict like those born even a few years before me. His role in the bombing campaign of the PIRA and in his support of it is to be condemned but his initial joining in the climate of 1969 is less easily condemned.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 03:49:17 PM
I can see both sides, ultimately though celebrating a genuine former terrorist seems canny weird. It's definitely important to recognise his change though, for the motivation of others more than anything.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 04:47:26 PM
:lol:  Imagine if al-Baghdadi renounced all the s*** ISIS had done, and managed to bring about peace in Syria.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Incognito on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 04:57:23 PM
Predictable nuanced discussion going on here. His move (along with the likes of Gerry Adams) towards peace are the main reason I've grown up in a province at relative peace and not had to suffer the conflict like those born even a few years before me. His role in the bombing campaign of the PIRA and in his support of it is to be condemned but his initial joining in the climate of 1969 is less easily condemned.
:thup:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 07:31:54 PM
:lol:  Imagine if al-Baghdadi renounced all the s*** ISIS had done, and managed to bring about peace in Syria.
Exactly my thoughts as well. You can't be a key figure behind the violence, murders, and terrorise and then become a good guy because you became a key figure behind stopping it.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 07:41:25 PM
Not even sure it would be possible to commemorate Adam Johnson lovingly if he went on to great things and he didn't bother using explosives on the innocent bairn he fingered.

Have seen a lot of uber-lefties on social media calling for a balanced assessment of his life because he was a changed man. IMO being heavily involved in a bombing campaign against civilians doesn't leave much room for second chances.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:01:00 PM
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Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:06:11 PM
Superb trolling.
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Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:09:24 PM
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If anyone was in any doubt about what side of the argument is the correct one. Chief IRA potato bonce.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:17:22 PM
Norman Tebbitt hasnt held back.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:18:09 PM
McClean is a very decent bloke
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GavMcEl on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:18:38 PM
Predictable nuanced discussion going on here. His moves (along with the likes of Gerry Adams) towards peace are the main reason I've grown up in a province at relative peace and not had to suffer the conflict like those born even a few years before me. His role in the bombing campaign of the PIRA and in his support of it is to be condemned but his initial joining in the climate of 1969 is less easily condemned.
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Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 08:59:45 PM
McClean is a very decent bloke

Who makes a huge song and dance about refusing to commemorate ANY British war dead and classes a terrorist leader as a 'hero'. Top lad.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:02:58 PM
But he's from Derry man, loads of s*** happened before he was born. It's OK to be a total moron if you're from Derry.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:03:51 PM
A f***ing hero, man :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:07:18 PM
McClean is a very decent bloke

Who makes a huge song and dance about refusing to commemorate ANY British war dead and classes a terrorist leader as a 'hero'. Top lad.

You're obsessed about him.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:08:13 PM
McClean is a very decent bloke

Who makes a huge song and dance about refusing to commemorate ANY British war dead and classes a terrorist leader as a 'hero'. Top lad.
he explained why he wouldn't wear the poppy very well imho. Seems to me the media make a bigger deal out of it than he does.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:10:39 PM
McClean is a very decent bloke

Who makes a huge song and dance about refusing to commemorate ANY British war dead and classes a terrorist leader as a 'hero'. Top lad.
he explained why he wouldn't wear the poppy very well imho. Seems to me the media make a bigger deal out of it than he does.

Did he explain why he felt the need to turn away from the national anthem too?

Neesy, you're right, I do have an intense hatred of the minging freak.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:12:29 PM
McClean is a very decent bloke

Who makes a huge song and dance about refusing to commemorate ANY British war dead and classes a terrorist leader as a 'hero'. Top lad.
he explained why he wouldn't wear the poppy very well imho. Seems to me the media make a bigger deal out of it than he does.
It wasn't the wearing of the poppy tbf, he turned his back when the anthem played. There was no need to make that kind of gesture and it's ironic given there would have very likely been a load of friends/families of war victims in the crowd.  Like his cause is sacred and must be respected, but f*** anyone else.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Klaus on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:21:50 PM
You can't be principled and hate the crimes committed by the British army and then give support to leaders/former leaders of terrorist organisations. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:23:03 PM
You can when you're a very decent bloke from Derry.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:28:10 PM
There's more to it than that though. There's a significant number of the nationalist community in Derry that saw McGuinness as a traitor for abandoning the armed conflict in favour of politics and ultimately peace and power sharing. People McCleans age and younger would've been/still are  prime recruitment target for the dissidents, so for McClean to post this also shows what side he's on.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:36:43 PM
You can't be principled and hate the crimes committed by the British army and then give support to leaders/former leaders of terrorist organisations.
It was for McGuinness' role in the peace process that he would regard him as a hero, as Shane Duffy, the Brighton centre half would who wrote a similar tribute to him
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:38:23 PM
People of his age have absolutely no excuse not to abandon the religious s**** of the past and stop celebrating murderers tbh. He chooses not to, because he's a vacant mong.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 09:40:38 PM
By the way I called him a very decent bloke because of the vast array of things he has done for people. Paying for operations for kids and the likes of that which he has done many times. He's wearing number 5 for Ireland on Friday as well in tribute to the Derry City captain who died last Sunday
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 21 March 2017, 11:32:12 PM
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Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 01:00:16 AM
:lol: I was all set to post a lengthy response to the drivel being posted in here today, but I just can't be f***ing bothered. Thankfully there are a few people that are capable of rational thought and can accept that the world is not simply black and white.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ronaldo on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 01:28:00 AM
the Jihadi John of his time

:spit:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 03:35:07 AM
There's more to it than that though. There's a significant number of the nationalist community in Derry that saw McGuinness as a traitor for abandoning the armed conflict in favour of politics and ultimately peace and power sharing. People McCleans age and younger would've been/still are  prime recruitment target for the dissidents, so for McClean to post this also shows what side he's on.

There's a great amount of ignorance, some of it wilful (amongst unionists at least) around the gradual movement from violence and abstentionism towards peace and having sitting TDs and MLAs. McGuinness deserves credit for fighting to move Sinn Fein in that direction, against some fierce opposition from others in the party and the republican movement. As responsible as he was for much of the murder and maiming, he changed his stance and pushed for an end to it. There would have been little hope for peace if high ranking members of Sinn Fein and the IRA, such as McGuinness and Adams hadn't changed their stance.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: madras on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 04:47:24 AM
It's funny that many of the more vociferously anti-McGuiness would have been very like him had they been born on the other side but can't see it.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 06:45:41 AM
You cannot compare the IRA to ISIS and no it isn't as clear cut as terrorism = terrorism. I figure people who make the comparison don't know much about either organisation's ambitions or history.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Troll on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 07:49:41 AM
Without McGuinness the IRA would still have carried out the attacks and bombings they did.  But without McGuinness they probably wouldn't have stopped.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Foluwashola on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 08:39:26 AM
the Jihadi John of his time

:spit:

Jihadi John was sadly cut down before he could play a vital role in the peace process.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 08:42:46 AM
:lol: I was all set to post a lengthy response to the drivel being posted in here today, but I just can't be f***ing bothered. Thankfully there are a few people that are capable of rational thought and can accept that the world is not simply black and white.

:thup:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Klaus on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 08:47:43 AM
the Jihadi John of his time

:spit:

Jihadi John was sadly cut down before he could play a vital role in the peace process.

:lol: f sake
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 08:55:29 AM
the Jihadi John of his time

:spit:

Jihadi John was sadly cut down before he could play a vital role in the peace process.
:lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: GavMcEl on Wednesday 22 March 2017, 11:10:17 AM
Ive been reading this thread for the past 24 hours and i wanted to comment but didn't know what to say.... Even though im from the north West of Ireland​ i still try to avoid talking about politics or the troubles because from my experience you can't seem to have a discussion with out people getting annoyed or offended...  Although he can't escape his past or the things he has done, are roles as Human beings is to rectify or mistakes and make sure we don't repeat  them! And i think that's what he done..... For his role in securing the peace, and for giving me a chance to grow up in a society filled with hope, peace and prosperity i will be eternally grateful !
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Friday 24 March 2017, 09:03:16 AM
https://youtu.be/WcG6HGoTUic
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Sunday 26 March 2017, 12:40:53 AM
Why People In Britain Need To Try And Understand The Northern Irish Conflict Better

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This complex historical scenario cannot be simplified to Martin McGuinness captaining a team of bad guys against the honourable forces of a British military that is beyond reproach
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dr-paul-breen/why-people-in-britain-nee_b_15563192.html
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 26 March 2017, 02:04:35 PM
https://youtu.be/WcG6HGoTUic

Brilliant watch.

What he says around 8:20 is actually quite important to all the ignorant, nationalistic politics we have going on at the moment and how to take away the need for it.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Sunday 26 March 2017, 02:05:10 PM
Related... is there a good book about the Good Friday negotiation process? Must have been fascinating to be involved with.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 26 March 2017, 06:35:04 PM
Looks like we're gonna have another election.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Sunday 26 March 2017, 07:40:54 PM
That'll really help things. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Sunday 26 March 2017, 07:59:45 PM
Who do you vote for if you're a liberal or even a left of centre Protestant?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 3 June 2017, 01:16:55 PM
Its funny to see all the liberal websites around the world so happy to see that we will have a gay, immigrant leader of the country, completely leaving out the part that he's a Tory that hates poor people
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Hanshithispantz on Saturday 3 June 2017, 01:26:10 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Saturday 3 June 2017, 01:28:08 PM
Ah, s***, really?! :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 9 June 2017, 01:52:58 PM
Anyone else shitting it?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Friday 9 June 2017, 01:56:08 PM
I'd say you might be alright, I think it'll be an unreasonable demand from the DUP that'll bring this government down. 
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: sadnesstan on Friday 9 June 2017, 01:57:23 PM
Anyone else shitting it?

I seriously hoped the queen would have asked for assurances in relation to this issue. Hope all is good.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 9 June 2017, 02:03:59 PM
SF still not taking up their seats in Westminster? 
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Friday 9 June 2017, 02:05:16 PM
The outrage that would cause.  I'd love it. :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Troll on Friday 9 June 2017, 02:08:02 PM
SF still not taking up their seats in Westminster? 

Won't ever happen, even to go against the DUP.  Goes against everything the party stands for.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Friday 9 June 2017, 02:11:40 PM
Sinn Fein will definitely not take their seats.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: SEMTEX on Friday 9 June 2017, 02:13:19 PM
Probably not ideal for Corbs rep if he needs Sinn Fein to have his back like
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: JB on Friday 9 June 2017, 03:25:40 PM
Anyone else shitting it?

Yep :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Ian W on Friday 9 June 2017, 03:31:13 PM
The Irish border debate is going to be "interesting".
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Toon Hoser on Wednesday 6 September 2017, 03:19:06 AM
/video/1
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: chopey on Friday 24 November 2017, 09:06:05 PM
Just booked my flights to Belfast for the Christmas market £52 return to get from Stanley to Newcastle in a Ford Mondeo and £30 return to get from Newcastle to Belfast in a jet.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Monday 27 November 2017, 09:42:43 PM
Looking like an election on the way. That timing :lol:
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 27 November 2017, 09:46:10 PM
how and why the f*** she hasn't just been sacked/resigned to stop this is beyond me
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Monday 27 November 2017, 09:47:22 PM
how and why the f*** she hasn't just been sacked/resigned to stop this is beyond me
Its time for the soldiers of destiny to return
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 27 November 2017, 09:53:10 PM
probably be another hung dail so there's that insanity to look forward to unless this thing hurts FG a lot more than I think it will. And right in the middle of the brexit nonsense. Christ this country.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Toon Hoser on Tuesday 6 February 2018, 11:14:54 PM
Meanwhile, back at that house in Ireland...   :lol:

Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 February 2018, 06:02:23 PM
So direct rule then.

How's this going to work with the 10 DUP MPs in Westminster? Surely that's a conflict of interest with the Good Friday Agreement? The only way non-assembly rule will work is if there's some sort of council making the decisions in Westminster and not the Gov under the influence of their DUP masters. Either that or joint rule of course but that would mean May losing her 10 DUP seats.

When's all this s*** going to come to a head? These DUP MPs are f***ing everything up, there has to be another election before all this (Brexit included) concludes?
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 14 February 2018, 06:30:57 PM
It's a clusterfuck. But this is what happens when the two largest parties back themselves into a corner and refuse to make any attempt to do their f***ing jobs. An election here won't really solve anything, as you'd expect each of them to keep most, if not all their seats. It's depressing and all too familiar. All that seems to matter is flegs and cultural identity. Normal, sensible people are getting f***ed over but seemingly are content to see it happen, just so the other side don't "win".
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 14 February 2018, 06:39:02 PM
Conor Murphy on Newsline saying direct rule isnt an option and they are meeting both governments tomorrow. There's talk of another election. What does that achieve? :lol: Elect the same c***s again to start the process over again. Another election = stalemate, direct rule = unionist rule, the only option is joint rule and the DUP being told to lump it until they can come together with Sinn Fein.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 10 April 2018, 04:04:46 PM
20 years since the Good Friday Agreement. I remember watching the news cameras outside Stormont and all the politicians inside pacing the room looking exhausted.
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 4 August 2018, 03:46:47 PM
Hockey’s coming home
Title: Re: Northern (and Southern) Ireland
Post by: Decky on Wednesday 24 October 2018, 05:59:13 AM
Heading to Derry for Halloween. I hear its fantastic up there for it. Anyone been?
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Coco on Wednesday 24 October 2018, 07:33:06 AM
It's usually good craic but I haven't been out in years. Two important questions. Where are you going? And what are you going as?
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Decky on Thursday 25 October 2018, 07:27:54 AM
Staying in the Travel Lodge in the city centre. Dunno yet what the craic is, probably some generic costume at this stage though.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Coco on Thursday 25 October 2018, 10:54:28 PM
I don't even know where to recommend. Sandino's if you're looking for a nightclub type thing, or Peadar's/The Gweedore for a good pub. The town will be rammed, so expect loads of drunk kids wandering aimlessly. I'm not sure what this year's overplayed costume will be, possibly Trump?
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Friday 26 October 2018, 10:25:32 PM
Cakewalk for Higgins? I was worried when I read about the low turnout that it would result in a Casey win. Suppose he should’ve started abusing the Travellers earlier in the campaign.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: BlueStar on Friday 19 April 2019, 10:37:19 AM
Saoradh blaming everyone (including the victim) for the murder of a journalist apart from the scally firing a handgun all over the place.  :rolleyes:

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The death of Lyra McKee in Derry – Saoradh Statement
By admin April 19, 2019

Last night, in the latest in a series of attacks, heavily armed Crown Forces were sent into Creggan to attack Republicans in.advance of upcoming Easter Rising Commemorations. The purpose of this incursion has been confirmed this morning by PSNI/RUC Commander Mark Hamilton. As per usual, nothing was found and this incursion was utterly futile and pointless.

The Crown Forces have waged a campaign of oppression in Republican Derry, and the community has endured ongoing State Violence in the area, with deafening silence from the political establishment representatives in the area. Saoradh has not shied away from highlighting this, including attacks on our members. In doing so we have continually gave our analysis that this oppression would inevitably be met with resistance, as has historically been the case.

The inevitable reaction to such an incursion was resistance from the youth of Creggan. The blame for last night lies squarely at the feet of the British Crown Forces, who sought to grab headlines and engineered confrontation with the community.

During this attack on the community, a Republican Volunteer attempted to defend people from the PSNI/RUC. Tragically a young journalist covering the events, Lyra McKee, was killed accidentally while standing behind armed Crown Force personnel and armoured vehicles.

This outcome is heartbreaking and we extend our sincerest sympathy to the family, friends and loved ones of the deceased.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: sadnesstan on Friday 19 April 2019, 10:43:26 AM
Saoradh blaming everyone (including the victim) for the murder of a journalist apart from the scally firing a handgun all over the place.  :rolleyes:

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The death of Lyra McKee in Derry – Saoradh Statement
By admin April 19, 2019

Last night, in the latest in a series of attacks, heavily armed Crown Forces were sent into Creggan to attack Republicans in.advance of upcoming Easter Rising Commemorations. The purpose of this incursion has been confirmed this morning by PSNI/RUC Commander Mark Hamilton. As per usual, nothing was found and this incursion was utterly futile and pointless.

The Crown Forces have waged a campaign of oppression in Republican Derry, and the community has endured ongoing State Violence in the area, with deafening silence from the political establishment representatives in the area. Saoradh has not shied away from highlighting this, including attacks on our members. In doing so we have continually gave our analysis that this oppression would inevitably be met with resistance, as has historically been the case.

The inevitable reaction to such an incursion was resistance from the youth of Creggan. The blame for last night lies squarely at the feet of the British Crown Forces, who sought to grab headlines and engineered confrontation with the community.

During this attack on the community, a Republican Volunteer attempted to defend people from the PSNI/RUC. Tragically a young journalist covering the events, Lyra McKee, was killed accidentally while standing behind armed Crown Force personnel and armoured vehicles.

This outcome is heartbreaking and we extend our sincerest sympathy to the family, friends and loved ones of the deceased.

Just read about that on I news. Different angle;

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/northern-irish-journalist-lyra-mckee-shot-dead-in-terrorist-incident/?utm_source=fb&utm_medium=fb&utm_campaign=ijp&fbclid=IwAR1N46tDxVgulznVYl0bp8gS4_bDeq6IDz59Nlg0KLoWIwjmCeVcYK5c2HU
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 8 February 2020, 10:03:43 PM
Exit poll in general election:

FG: 22.4%
SF: 22.3%
FF: 22.2%

Holy f*** :lol:
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 8 February 2020, 10:27:45 PM
:lol:
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Si on Saturday 8 February 2020, 10:33:01 PM

Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Yorkie on Saturday 8 February 2020, 10:48:44 PM
Coalition with Sinn Fein to come? Unity referendum?
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 8 February 2020, 10:54:09 PM
FF FG coalition I’d guess.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: triggs on Saturday 8 February 2020, 10:54:24 PM
Coalition with Sinn Fein to come? Unity referendum?

SF don't have enough candidates running to be the biggest party. Both other parties have ruled out going in with them but that could change now. It would be a major mistake by FF and FG to let SF be the main opposition party for 5 years

SF are on 31% in the 18-35 age range on the exit poll and that will only grow in opposition
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 8 February 2020, 10:57:49 PM
I’d like to see FF SF personally.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 9 February 2020, 10:48:40 AM
SF won't want to go into government they'll want another election asap where they could run more candidates
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: xLiaaamx on Sunday 9 February 2020, 04:38:16 PM
SF expected to get 35+ wins from 42 contested? Thats insane  :lol:
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: triggs on Sunday 9 February 2020, 04:55:16 PM
SF expected to get 35+ wins from 42 contested? Thats insane  :lol:
They're winning seats where I never thought they'd win seats, including my own constituency
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Decky on Sunday 9 February 2020, 05:10:41 PM
They just topped the polls in Varadkar's district.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 9 February 2020, 05:15:28 PM
Varadkar not even getting a running mate in which never happened with a sitting taoiseach. Honestly think we'll be back voting before years end
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Sunday 9 February 2020, 05:18:18 PM
Yup, maybe even in a few months.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Sunday 9 February 2020, 05:20:23 PM
on the other hand I was convinced we'd be voting again any month now for the last 4 years since 2016 election but were I SF I'd be looking at avoiding going into government atm at all costs citing whatever excuse they can up with so they can try again with more candidates. Whether that would backfire or not who knows
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Sunday 9 February 2020, 11:10:15 PM
Not followed here, but have on twitter. Loving the hot take that Varadkar is being punished for his anti-Brexit/British stance by voting for SF. :lol:

That's all, sorry if already been discussed in here, imagine it probably has. :blush: :aww:
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 10 February 2020, 09:06:29 AM
Not followed here, but have on twitter. Loving the hot take that Varadkar is being punished for his anti-Brexit/British stance by voting for SF. :lol:

That's all, sorry if already been discussed in here, imagine it probably has. :blush: :aww:
eh right before the election was called there was a political own goal where Varadkar and co wanted to commemerate the RIC as part of the centenary commemorations and that went down like a lead balloon and eventually backtracked on. But the bigger factor was them being in government for 9 years and public services being a disaster in particular housing and the health service and SF seemed to catch lightning in a bottle this time by just saying we're not FF or FG. Doubt it will repeat itself if SF go into government but if theres another election this year they will be the largest party in the dail. 
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: BlueStar on Monday 10 February 2020, 07:15:14 PM
Totally modernised Sinn Fein singing "Come Out Ye Black and Tans" at the count
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: triggs on Monday 10 February 2020, 07:46:33 PM
Totally modernised Sinn Fein singing "Come Out Ye Black and Tans" at the count

SF in debates and the media pre election: Stop bringing up the IRA
SF after the election:
Singing about the IRA

They are by far the party most in line with my views but they still have so many idiots
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 10 February 2020, 08:00:07 PM
:lol: Try the Shinners up here, they're all ex-IRA and share pictures reminiscing of their prison days on Facebook.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Monday 10 February 2020, 08:16:39 PM
So aside from Reunification what are Sinn Fein like politically?
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Monday 10 February 2020, 08:29:24 PM
The ” Come out ye Black and Tans” stuff is clearly a reference to the governments idiotic recent idea to commemorate the RIC. The minister saying “up the ra” is less defendable.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 10 February 2020, 08:32:36 PM
So aside from Reunification what are Sinn Fein like politically?

More liberal, less conservative. In the north they are the voice of reason in government because the opposition thinks the world is 6000 years old.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: triggs on Monday 10 February 2020, 08:37:58 PM
So aside from Reunification what are Sinn Fein like politically?

Most left party of any consequence in Ireland
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Decky on Monday 10 February 2020, 08:54:29 PM
Watching Mary Lou's interviews today I think there's a strong chance Sinn Fein might try for a second election with them running more candidates if the will isnt there for a government without FG and FF. RTE have said Sinn Fein could have pulled 11 more seats had they ran more candidates.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 10 February 2020, 08:55:18 PM
The ” Come out ye Black and Tans” stuff is clearly a reference to the governments idiotic recent idea to commemorate the RIC. The minister saying “up the ra” is less defendable.

Had to google RIC after it being mentioned again. Good f***ing grief, what on earth possessed them to suggest such a thing? :lol:
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: CFlan on Monday 10 February 2020, 09:05:09 PM
They’re completely tone deaf and always have been. Ashamed to have any republican tendencies.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: triggs on Monday 10 February 2020, 09:05:53 PM
The ” Come out ye Black and Tans” stuff is clearly a reference to the governments idiotic recent idea to commemorate the RIC. The minister saying “up the ra” is less defendable.

Had to google RIC after it being mentioned again. Good f***ing grief, what on earth possessed them to suggest such a thing? :lol:

They're upper class West Brits. They are not even that bad at running the country but they are utterly awful at gauging the mood of the people
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: BlufPurdi on Monday 10 February 2020, 09:15:22 PM
Learned more about Ireland in a few days than my whole life. Liked to think I knew something too because I followed NI more than the average Brit. :blush: :lol:
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Monday 10 February 2020, 09:18:26 PM
The ” Come out ye Black and Tans” stuff is clearly a reference to the governments idiotic recent idea to commemorate the RIC. The minister saying “up the ra” is less defendable.

Had to google RIC after it being mentioned again. Good f***ing grief, what on earth possessed them to suggest such a thing? :lol:

They're upper class West Brits. They are not even that bad at running the country but they are utterly awful at gauging the mood of the people
not even sure thats FG in general or just Varadkars leadership in particular since they seemed to have gotten a lot more tone deaf since Kenny left
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Jill on Monday 10 February 2020, 11:19:56 PM
Learned more about Ireland in a few days than my whole life. Liked to think I knew something too because I followed NI more than the average Brit. :blush: :lol:

Thanks to an Irish girlfriend and an Irish sponsor I'm taking way more of an interest in this thread lately. :lol:
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 11 February 2020, 10:29:07 AM
Learned more about Ireland in a few days than my whole life. Liked to think I knew something too because I followed NI more than the average Brit. :blush: :lol:

:lol: Aye, I've loads of Norn mates but know next to nowt about the Republic.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 11 February 2020, 11:31:35 AM
eh to be fair even being born down here I struggle to understand many things about politics the main thing being the existence and continued success of the Healy-Raes
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Froggy on Tuesday 11 February 2020, 01:56:45 PM
Learned more about Ireland in a few days than my whole life. Liked to think I knew something too because I followed NI more than the average Brit. :blush: :lol:

:lol: Aye, I've loads of Norn mates but know next to nowt about the Republic.

Same thing mate.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 11 February 2020, 02:41:29 PM
The ” Come out ye Black and Tans” stuff is clearly a reference to the governments idiotic recent idea to commemorate the RIC. The minister saying “up the ra” is less defendable.

Had to google RIC after it being mentioned again. Good f***ing grief, what on earth possessed them to suggest such a thing? :lol:

Good Second Captains about this a few weeks ago, they put it on the free feed.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 11 February 2020, 03:33:25 PM
The RIC only dissolved in name only a century ago, in reality, it only disbanded properly in its entirety less than 20 years ago. Still fresh enough in the memory for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: BlueStar on Monday 2 March 2020, 03:47:04 PM
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: Disco on Monday 2 March 2020, 03:49:30 PM
Massively Staunch more like.
Title: Re: Ireland
Post by: triggs on Sunday 7 June 2020, 11:43:05 PM
Found this funny

?s=20

:lol: