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Title: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: ChrisMcQuillan on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:29:20 AM
For me, I'd have to go with Pardew. The seemingly endless stints, the losing runs, wasting Ben Arfa...

Bruce could outdo him though...
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:31:23 AM
Carver by a long shot. Just a s*** c*** in every way even if he probably meant well in his head and wasn’t a vindictive lying piece of s*** like Pardew or Bruce.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: LV on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:36:06 AM
Don’t think I could hate anyone more than Pardew.

It was close between him and Bruce though.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: The Prophet on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:37:00 AM
Carver was comfortably the worst manager, but my hatred for Pardew and Bruce is much greater.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Chicken Dancer on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:39:01 AM
I think Bruce has made me forget how much I absolutely despised Pardew, like. But voted Bruce because he has sucked any remaining joy I had left for NUFC and spat it right back in my dish. Lying, useless, pig. I will celebrate his departure with almost as much glee as I would when his employer finally f***s off.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: CalmintheChaos on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:40:41 AM
Why is the king on there? 5th, 10th and sure we were about 9th in January when he was hounded out too? I know he sucked up to Ashley etc but on results and league finishes he shouldn't be anywhere near this list like.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: CalmintheChaos on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:42:29 AM
Its Carver closely followed by bacon heed.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Chicken Dancer on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:43:02 AM
Why is the king on there? 5th, 10th and sure we were about 9th in January when he was hounded out too? I know he sucked up to Ashley etc but on results and league finishes he shouldn't be anywhere near this list like.

Genuinely not sure how much credit he deserves for any of that. Maybe I'm being harsh but he had a really good team yet continuously went on 6/7 game losing (or not winning) streaks which means he comfortably deserves a spot on there imo.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:43:03 AM
Carver is the correct answer. However we have had some dross over the years!
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:43:35 AM
Bruce has overtaken Pardew for me.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:43:58 AM
Carver.

Hated is Bruce.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:45:10 AM
Pardew got us on a brilliant European tour and for that reason he should not be on the list. He was a smary arse licking arsehole but he had a great season. The rest are all seriously pap
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: The Prophet on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:45:47 AM
Bruce is a better manager than Carver, but it's a low, low bar.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:48:56 AM
I voted for him but find it difficult to define carver as a 'manager'
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: CalmintheChaos on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:49:28 AM
Why is the king on there? 5th, 10th and sure we were about 9th in January when he was hounded out too? I know he sucked up to Ashley etc but on results and league finishes he shouldn't be anywhere near this list like.

Genuinely not sure how much credit he deserves for any of that. Maybe I'm being harsh but he had a really good team yet continuously went on 6/7 game losing (or not winning) streaks which means he comfortably deserves a spot on there imo.

See I disagree, even that 5th place aside he had a 10th place finish and was top half when he left in January, whatever peoples thoughts are on him as a person I don't think he should be anywhere near this list to be fair, I am no Pardew lover but on the pitch and table wise he did a solid enough job.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Conjo on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:49:43 AM
It's a bit unfair to have Carver there imo due to the limited time he was in charge as an interim manager, but since he's a choice he wins it in a landslide imo.

The rest are much of the same. I honestly couldn't say which is the worst. The one I've hated the most is Pardew because of the potential in the team at the time and how he managed HBA in particular, but as a manager I doubt any of the others would have done much different.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: LV on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:55:12 AM
Why is the king on there? 5th, 10th and sure we were about 9th in January when he was hounded out too? I know he sucked up to Ashley etc but on results and league finishes he shouldn't be anywhere near this list like.

Sure ok
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: LV on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:56:45 AM
Pardew got us on a brilliant European tour and for that reason he should not be on the list. He was a smary arse licking arsehole but he had a great season. The rest are all seriously pap

That was despite Pardew, not because of him. He was a smarmy, arse-licker AND a s*** manager. Let’s not indulge in revisionism here because a bit of time has passed.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Lush Vlad on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:56:48 AM
Corr, what a list  :lol:

I'd have to go with Carver.  He was just so far out of his depth.

McClaren should have done so much better with the players he had.
Pardew probably the one I dislike the most and the same as McClaren with some of the players he wasted.  It just seemed never-ending.
Bruce is catching up to Pardew in terms of being an unbearable t***.
Kinnear at least provided plenty of comedy moments.   
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: LV on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:57:51 AM
Why is the king on there? 5th, 10th and sure we were about 9th in January when he was hounded out too? I know he sucked up to Ashley etc but on results and league finishes he shouldn't be anywhere near this list like.

Genuinely not sure how much credit he deserves for any of that. Maybe I'm being harsh but he had a really good team yet continuously went on 6/7 game losing (or not winning) streaks which means he comfortably deserves a spot on there imo.

See I disagree, even that 5th place aside he had a 10th place finish and was top half when he left in January, whatever peoples thoughts are on him as a person I don't think he should be anywhere near this list to be fair, I am no Pardew lover but on the pitch and table wise he did a solid enough job.

Absolute wet. He was s****, he just had a good team. Not having this.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:01:17 AM
Why is the king on there? 5th, 10th and sure we were about 9th in January when he was hounded out too? I know he sucked up to Ashley etc but on results and league finishes he shouldn't be anywhere near this list like.

Genuinely not sure how much credit he deserves for any of that. Maybe I'm being harsh but he had a really good team yet continuously went on 6/7 game losing (or not winning) streaks which means he comfortably deserves a spot on there imo.

That f***ing kick off routine :anguish:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: huss9 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:02:05 AM
just looking at that list of managers make me sad.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: reefatoon on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:03:58 AM
I think Carver was f***ing the most useless, but it always felt like it was a very short term thing, which for me doesn't put him ahead of Pardew or Bruce. These two w*****s felt/feel like there was/is no end to the misery, I mean Pardew was handed an 8 year contract for f*** sake.  Detested Pardew with a passion, but even he managed to completely fluke a 5th place finish, something Bruce will never ever manage to do, no matter how lucky he has been. So for me it's Bruce hands down. The bloke is also a snake and he has that Souness trait of blaming everyone and everything for his own uselessness. The football has to be the most shittest to sit through too. So aye, well done Bruce for actually making me hate you more than Pardew, that's some levels of shitness right there.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:07:01 AM
Bruce is a better manager than Carver, but it's a low, low bar.

Only reason I don’t mention Carver is he wasn’t a proper manager imo. Bruce has managed in the top 2 leagues for two decades. :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:09:29 AM
Anyone voting Bruce over Carver has a short memory.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:10:10 AM
Bruce is a better manager than Carver, but it's a low, low bar.

Only reason I don’t mention Carver is he wasn’t a proper manager imo. Bruce has managed in the top 2 leagues for two decades. :lol:

What are you on about man sure he was the best manager in the Premier League at the time.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:11:40 AM
Pardew the worst presence. Carver the worst manager. Top of the plops this like.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Sean on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:11:59 AM
Carver was worse but I can't possibly hate anyone more than Pardew.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Rod on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:12:19 AM
I voted for him but find it difficult to define carver as a 'manager'
Exactly this.  That is why the obvious answer should be Bruce.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: RS on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:17:06 AM
Pardew probably squeaks this on a personal level because he actually believed he was Jesus. Bruce is thundering up the inside though with his s*** interviews, pathetic excuses and “boyhood club” patter. He’s Potentially the worst manager we’ve had technically however.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: samptime29 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:19:28 AM
Carver.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Chicane on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:19:36 AM
Carver is obviously the worst but I've never despised anyone in life more than Pardew*

*probably maybe not entirely true but not far off
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Tisd09 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:24:13 AM
Voted Carver but what a depressing list.

I am still surprised that Mark Hughes hasn't been on our list of managers.

The only thing that worries me about Bruce getting the boot is who MA would appoint. Grim times!
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:27:53 AM
Anyone voting Bruce over Carver has a short memory.

Carver was awful but wasn’t a manager imo and was only interim anyway.

Bruce on the other hand has came in after Benitez, should have had one of the easiest jobs just tweaking what came before him, has managed for over 20 years and is f***ing s****.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Collage on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:32:41 AM
Worst manager: Carver
Most hated: Pardew, closely followed by Bruce
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: The Ideal Crash on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:37:19 AM
You can’t really lump Carver in there, he was a caretaker manager. Probably saw it as his big chance to outshine Pardew but the damage had been done at that point. Even if he had the capability there was little he could have done.

He didn’t make his own signings or have any influence whatsoever in the overall running of things.

This is a straight shootout between Pardew, McClaren and Bruce.

For me, Pardew was dreadful, some real depressing spells in there. Total dross players he was allowed to sign.

But, he was also there when the club lucked into a couple of excellent signings and we had our best season with best football since SBR was here. So for that reason he can’t be the worst.

McClaren thought he spent well, we did too at first. Mitrovic looked like he had the tools to tear up the league, and maybe he would have if it was 1995 but football had moved on. You don’t use a blunt tool for what’s precision work nowadays.

But look at an average match day team that season, Mitrovic, Perez, Sissoko, Wijnaldum, Tiote, Coloccini, Janmaat, even Cisse was still there. There is no way that team should have gone down.

Although turgid, Steve Bruce is getting (slightly) more with less. We probably hate him more but that doesn’t make him the worst.

The winner is Steve McClaren.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: nufcjb on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:39:22 AM
Anyone voting Bruce over Carver has a short memory.

Carver was awful but wasn’t a manager imo and was only interim anyway.

Bruce on the other hand has came in after Benitez, should have had one of the easiest jobs just tweaking what came before him, has managed for over 20 years and is f***ing s****.
This. I can't take Carver seriously as our manager. In the job for 4-5 months.

Bruce and Pardew very close for me but each week, Bruce is getting worse and worse and I'm not even talking about results.

Worse thing is, he claims he is from up here and supposedly knows the club. But the way he has gone about telling the media about how us fans should be grateful and that this club is 'we are where we are', that is the ultimate p*ss-taking. Sounds more like a mackem than a Mag.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Collage on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:41:33 AM
The style of football wasn’t as repulsive under McClaren though. We at least tried to attack and play it on the deck.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:42:26 AM
I thought McClaren had some good ideas when he first came in. He just kept losing and lost faith in his own methods.

I'd put him above Pardew and Bruce because at least there was some evidence of thought happening on the touchline.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Collage on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:44:47 AM
I thought McClaren had some good ideas when he first came in. He just kept losing and lost faith in his own methods.

I'd put him above Pardew and Bruce because at least there was some evidence of thought happening on the touchline.

Yep 👍
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: The Prophet on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:47:08 AM
Pardew had comfortably the best team of the lot too. Imagine the likes of Colo, Sissoko, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Cisse under good management.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: BergenMagpie on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 12:10:41 PM
Pardew for me. He had the best players to work with, but for some f***ed up reason he decided to switch things around and settling on whatever yielded the worst results. For example going from an attacking 4-3-3 to a slow predictable 4-4-2 (playing Sissoko/Gosling/Gouffran/Cisse on the wings instead of HBA etc).

I was always so disappointed to see the line-ups before games as there was so much potential going to waste.

He was also content with micro-budgets every transfer window as he knew he could use that as an excuse down the line. This, in a period where player prices were almost doubling every year. Clubs who invested heavily in that period could really go to the next level, but we were left with players like Amalfitiano and loanees.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 12:12:59 PM
Pardew bought into the way the club was run the most and was happy to toe the line or feign harsh treatment at Ashley’s hands when he saw fir. Slime. Bruce is just an arrogant oaf.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Chicken Dancer on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 12:30:06 PM
Why is the king on there? 5th, 10th and sure we were about 9th in January when he was hounded out too? I know he sucked up to Ashley etc but on results and league finishes he shouldn't be anywhere near this list like.

Genuinely not sure how much credit he deserves for any of that. Maybe I'm being harsh but he had a really good team yet continuously went on 6/7 game losing (or not winning) streaks which means he comfortably deserves a spot on there imo.

That f***ing kick off routine :anguish:

The f***ing corners floated to Williamson man :lol: Sure we didn't score from like 200+ corners or something daft.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 12:42:50 PM
Bruce for me
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 12:44:59 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Kanji on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 12:45:51 PM
Bruce is the worst.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 12:58:17 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:06:40 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

It's not all fluke, its just he's a very bad manager (as proved everywhere else) and had a very good set of players.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: sempuki on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:09:07 PM
Lickspittle Carver.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: GavMcEl on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:12:55 PM
McClaren has to be up there too
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Rafalove on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:18:46 PM
Carver
Mcclaren
Pardew
Kinnear
Bruce


Pardew is easily my most hated though.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:28:58 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Lenny on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:38:12 PM
Kinnear was probably the most humiliatingly bad appointment - it was genuinely outwardly embarrassing having him as manager, whereas most of the others were just plain embarrassing. He was an absolutely dreadful manager, only outdone by Carver in terms of ability.

In terms of hatred, I'd put Kinnear second again to Pardew, with Bruce rapidly rising up the ranks. Time has a habit of numbing anger, but it shouldn't be forgotten just how detestable and damaging Pardew was due to how long he spent here pushing Ashley's agenda.

Pardew successfully realigned expectation for a large portion of our fanbase.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Collage on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:38:52 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

Yes he did
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Consortium of one on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 01:58:08 PM
Kinnear was bizarre.  The sheer lunacy of his appointment is enough. 

Carver was a sack of s**** but he was just a caretaker.

Bruce is an ignorant dinosaur through and through.  He's got a cabbage head and a noodle spine.

Schteve McLaren was another taken off the scrap heap who delivered exactly what we expected of him: nothing.

Pardew had some good times but he had some talented squads.  Without knowing the man you would have thought we'd be p*ssed when he left but we cheered.

I voted Kinnear but only because I try like hell to erase Bruce from my conscious thought.

Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:00:10 PM
The style of football wasn’t as repulsive under McClaren though. We at least tried to attack and play it on the deck.

Aye, I was pretty optimistic after the Southampton 2-2 draw and the draw at Old Trafford. We played really well on that opening day. Thought we’d still be a 10th-12th placed team but would look slightly better achieving it. We had some poor games too early on like Swansea away but we had a system and created chances (remember Mitro hitting the bar with a header from edge of the box and Thauvin having a great chance at Man Utd for instance). It soon unravelled but you could at least see what he was trying to do.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: ponsaelius on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:04:35 PM
Pardew.

He was clearly Ashley's man more than any and that had the biggest negative impact. His moderate early success coupled with trotting out the regime propaganda succeeding in brainwashing loads of our fans and stripping the club of its former ambition.

Some of the others were arguably worse (although I still think many forget just how s*** we were for about 3 years under Pardew), but their shiteness didn't fundamentally damage the fanbase in the same way and produce a load of f***ing apologists.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: The Prophet on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:08:20 PM
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Foluwashola on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:08:57 PM
Would have to go Kinnear purely for the sheer ridiculousness of having a mental old man appointed about 20 years after he was relevant. Signalled that we had given up all intention of being a serious football club.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:41:43 PM
Carver by a long shot. Just a s*** c*** in every way even if he probably meant well in his head and wasn’t a vindictive lying piece of s*** like Pardew or Bruce.
Carver was comfortably the worst manager, but my hatred for Pardew and Bruce is much greater.

:thup:

Kinnear’s management was just before my time as a supporter, so I’ll not rate him in that regard.

In terms of direness of quality on the pitch:

1. Carver
2. McClaren
3. Bruce
4. Pardew

In terms of pure, unadulterated shithousery:

1. Pardew
2. Kinnear (DoF)
3. Bruce
4. Carver
5. McClaren
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:55:05 PM
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.

Don’t forget it he was turd from then on but can’t deny finishing 5th was good and say it was all despite him and blame him for everything after
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 02:55:54 PM
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.

Don’t forget it he was turd from then on but can’t deny finishing 5th was good and say it was all despite him and blame him for everything after

Also Ashley letting him sign only Anita that summer led to the downturn and we did get to the quarters of the europa league
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:03:25 PM
Carver if we are talking purely in terms of ability, the bloke would be the kit man at a half decent run club. I don't actually think there's much difference in managerial expertise between Bruce and Pardew they are both really s***, Pardew still edging ahead on the hate-ometer due his general sleaze factor.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Collage on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:20:02 PM
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.

Don’t forget it he was turd from then on but can’t deny finishing 5th was good and say it was all despite him and blame him for everything after

That 5th season...we had a very good team and were a bit lucky, remember seeing a TEDTalk with a guy explaining/showing how crazy it was that we ended up 5th when looking at the amount of goals we scored compared to chances created. Cisse pretty much scored every time he touched the ball when he arrived. Of course, the following season we were almost relegated with the same team.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: LV on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:27:57 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:33:47 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.

I agree with it all just think you can give some credit like 😅
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:34:29 PM
If you do t give any credit for the good then it’s harder to lump all of the bad times on as your fault also
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: LV on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:35:59 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.

I agree with it all just think you can give some credit like 😅

Ha not a chance

Not from me at least
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:40:03 PM
Confused how the argument with Pardew is that’s it’s all fluke when he did well but all his fault when it went bad

Because he's bad?

He is but didn’t do a bad job here

He did mind.

The good results were all down to the quality of the players. When he got involved and tried to ‘manage’ it went to s***.

See: Teamtalks, half-time and Leftbacks: constant subs for some examples.

Revisionism at its best this

He was utter dross and an absolute muppet to boot.

I agree with it all just think you can give some credit like 😅

Ha not a chance

Not from me at least

Fair enough
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: gjohnson on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:44:17 PM
This is like asking what kind of s**t sandwich would you like to eat....horse, dog, cat, human, monkey...

Some might be less appealing, but at the end of the day it's still a s**t sandwich
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:53:49 PM
Cat
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: samptime29 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 03:57:26 PM
Horse
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Minhosa on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 04:03:49 PM
Kinnear was bizarre.  The sheer lunacy of his appointment is enough. 

Carver was a sack of s**** but he was just a caretaker.

Bruce is an ignorant dinosaur through and through.  He's got a cabbage head and a noodle spine.

Schteve McLaren was another taken off the scrap heap who delivered exactly what we expected of him: nothing.

Pardew had some good times but he had some talented squads.  Without knowing the man you would have thought we'd be p*ssed when he left but we cheered.

I voted Kinnear but only because I try like hell to erase Bruce from my conscious thought.



Cabbage heed and noodle spine :lol: :lol: :lol:.

That's inspired me, so to the tune of the hokey cokey;

"He's got a cabbage heed and a noodle spine
When it's all gone to s****, he'll tell us that it's fine

He plays s*** football, he's the worst about
and that's why we want him OUT!

Oh Brucey, Brucey, Brucey
Ohhhhhhhh Brucey, Brucey, Brucey

You're s****, so we're s****, now just f*** OFF".
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 04:12:12 PM
Carver the worst, 100%. Then its a toss-up between Bruce and McClaren for me.

Bruce because of what he inherited and our continual regression while being patronising and an all round c*** to the fans as well as the media sucking his cock and telling us to be grateful. The football is s**** while this squad is arguably the best we've had since 2013/14. We're much worse than under Benitez when we had a squad with next to no investment for 1 and a half seasons until Almirón arrived.

McClaren for being so s*** and getting that 2015/16 squad relegated. IMO it was possible to see that he tried to get us playing okay stuff and we did in patches in certain games but on the whole the team reflected McClaren as a person, just a weak, wet flannel. But he was just generally s***, our unbeaten run towards the the end of the season under Benitez showed what that team was capable of and also imo 2015/16 is a big reason for the politics between Rafa and Ashley in the following seasons, it set us back years.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Elric on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 04:58:33 PM
Bruce is terrible but it has to be Carver, it's not even close :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Wallsendmag on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 05:16:44 PM
Carver
McClaren
Kinnear
Bruce
Pardew
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: AyeDubbleYoo on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 05:46:55 PM
Surely it's Kinnear, he was mentally ill.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: cubaricho on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 05:59:06 PM
Surely it's Kinnear, he was mentally ill.

100% this.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Shay's Given Tim Flowers on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 06:04:58 PM
Kinnear was a ride.  :lol:

That said someone vaguely competent would have kept us up. Ugh.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Scotty66 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 06:15:24 PM
Carver
McClaren
Kinnear
Bruce
Pardew

All of these at the time of appointment were so so bad in a tactical knowledge sense. Just absurd why you would take such a big risk on any of these with no proof of actual success.

It's all about doing what you're told and to not bad mouth Ashley as we know, but surely he had better options than these?

Kinnear was the strangest one, he was disconnected from management for so so long, was obvious he was going to use out dated tactics and systems, immediately putting the club under pressure with poor results and performances.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Wolfcastle on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 06:50:03 PM
Went for Bruce because of how long we've had to put up with him compared to Carver and there were two or three good performances under Carver in the short spell, our best this season under Bruce (and the vast majority of last season) is being one of two equally bad teams in an awful game.
With Pardew, Ashley seemed more vividly the problem to me and would have gave Pardew a chance unshackled. He's since proven that that leniency was mistaken with his failures elsewhere without Ashley and his general d*ckheadedness continues.
None of them played anywhere as badly as often as Bruce, we have had less possession in EVERY game this season!!!
I always factor in that Kinnear did a great job at Wimbledon and like Carver was only temp.

How odd that 99% of the fan base knew they'd be disasters and that's exactly what they were.


Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: toon25 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 07:15:53 PM
A Carver-Bruce s*** off for me.

f***ing hated McClaren. Gutless, limp, inept piece of s*** island-hair c***.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 07:18:40 PM
How has McClaren got 4 votes in there with that lot. :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Ben on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 07:34:39 PM
Bruce has the potential to take us down the same route as Sunderland with his short term thinking and his daft decisions to give long term golden handshake contracts to older players and then potentially fill the team with loans, if he is allowed to stay beyond this season it will take a lot of money or a lot of time to clean up his mess.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Abra Dubravka on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 07:46:45 PM
Bruce has the potential to take us down the same route as Sunderland with his short term thinking and his daft decisions to give long term golden handshake contracts to older players and then potentially fill the team with loans, if he is allowed to stay beyond this season it will take a lot of money or a lot of time to clean up his mess.

If there is no takeover, and he's still around to start next season, potentially irreversible damage will be caused during that transfer window and the time he inevitably relegates us or is sacked. If we're relegated I can't see us bouncing back straight away for a third time.

The squad is in a total state as it is, loads of contracts running out, so as bare minimum it will need to be a busy window. He's had over a £100M to spend so far, plus those contracts handed out to Ritchie, Shelvey and Carroll - the fat moron has managed to take us backwards.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Dinho lad on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 08:24:43 PM
Surely it's Kinnear, he was mentally ill.


Well... he's got early onset dementia now, so....
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tinoasprilla on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 08:47:36 PM
Bruce for me.  I dint class Carver as a manager or a human being
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Menace on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 08:54:02 PM
I've been a supporter for 20 years. I genuinely can't remember Kinnear on the touch line. I can remember the Talksport interview/him claiming that a contract extension is on his desk ready to be signed.. but can't remember him managing any of the games.

I can remember Roeder/Souness etc though. Odd.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Robster on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 08:59:55 PM
I've been a supporter for 20 years. I genuinely can't remember Kinnear on the touch line. I can remember the Talksport interview/him claiming that a contract extension is on his desk ready to be signed.. but can't remember him managing any of the games.
I think the only moment I remember Kinnear in charge was away at Everton and he was sitting in the Directors box and we either scored once or maybe even twice before he'd even taken his seat so he missed it/them.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 09:02:21 PM
Thought we did this a few weeks back. Worst permanent manager is McClaren imo.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 09:48:19 PM
Reading through the thread it's quite remarkable how there's a really compelling case for every one of them. Carver skews the results though imo, I don't think you can put him in cos he wasn't permanent.

Pardew was so, so, so horribly damaging. He vindicated Ashley with that disgraceful showing in 2012/13 and everything that followed on and off the pitch until he left; we were never going to even contemplate being competitive ever again. We're still feeling the effects of Pardew. We even managed to find another just like him.

But I still think McClaren was the worst in terms of talent. £80m given and not only could he not steady the ship after the malaise of Pardew and the disaster of Carver, thinks actually got loads worse. Relegation wouldn't even have been close had he seen out the season, we probably would have finished 19th.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Abra Dubravka on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:38:21 PM
Opted for Bruce, but spoilt for choice. Hatred for him is far worse than Pardew, every aspect of his management I despise. His whole tenure is a death by a thousand cuts. I no longer care if we win, lose or draw, no longer celebrate when we score. The only emotion left is the hope that we don't get bloody relegated. 

As long as he is here, there is no silver lining to supporting this Ashley run club any more.

He has to be accepted to play the worst football of the lot. Only a handful of games at most haven't been the same disjointed s*** show, although can only recall Bournemouth away. Any success from a game is relied on our ability to suck the life from other teams, and drag them down to our level, whilst having zero ability to attack as a team or control a game.   

     
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Shearergol on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:40:03 PM
From a personal view, it’s Bruce for me. From a manager view it’s carver, but I never felt he would last.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Chicane on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 10:56:44 PM
Some of the f***ing s**** we've had man  :lol: :lol: :lol:

We could put together some kind of reverse Avengers team with these names. Just imagining Mike Ashley as Nick Fury now saying "I'm putting together a team..."
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: geordiesteve710 on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:05:11 PM
From a personal view, it’s Bruce for me. From a manager view it’s carver, but I never felt he would last.

Pretty much my view.

As much as I thought Pardew was an atrocious human being and complete embarrassment to the club, he didn't have the prior history of treating the club and fans with contempt that Bruce had prior to appointment, and once he f***ed off he's stayed f***ed off and hasn't gone gobbing off about us.

In terms of ability it's Carver by a country mile.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:14:18 PM
Like Nut, I'd rule Carver out given he was only ever in an interim/caretaker position, despite comfortably being the most inept.

The worst managerial appointment, if that's what we're looking at, has to be Kinnear. Being brought in from absolutely nowhere (four years out of work and last in the PL nine years beforehand) because he drank in the same pub as Ashley, at a time when a club legend had just walked away was utterly, utterly bonkers. It's completely safe to say none of the other 91 football league clubs would've touched him. It was proper circus stuff.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 5 January 2021, 11:41:13 PM
Pretty remarkable that the same club can hire Pardew, Bruce, and Kinnear but also Rafa Benitez, Bobby Robson, and Kevin Keegan in a 30-year span.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Wallsendmag on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 12:35:32 AM
How has McClaren got 4 votes in there with that lot. :lol:

He got us relegated with a squad that included Wijnaldum, Sissoko, Perez, Krul, Coloccini, Janmaat and Townsend. Look at our PPG once Rafa took over, it would have had us in 11th place over the course of the season.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 02:12:06 AM
Voted Kinnear, even though I can't remember a thing about him as a manager. Just the idea that he was ever anywhere near the club is madness.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Amir_9 on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 02:55:21 AM
Carver isn't/wasn't a manager, just some sp***** who happened to work at a club where the owner doesn't give a flying f***.

Pardew as clear as his shortcomings and ineptitude is, still isn't the worst given the fact we were mid-table when he left and somehow was in charge during the 5th placed finish.

Kinnear or McClaren for me by far. Kinnear a dinosaur well past his sell-by date, even though he wasn't any good during his "peak" either. However, McClaren was diabolical, absolutely no f***ing business getting relegated with that squad.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: gjohnson on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 09:03:31 AM
As utterly abysmal as all of the are/were, none of them served up the dire football Bruce puts out...

Don't remember the team being consistently bottom of every attacking metric for any of the barring Bruce.

Yes there were dire performances, yes there were humiliating defeats to shocking teams, but it was never seemed to be so consistently 'let the other team have the ball all the time and hope we can get a counter attack'

Pardew had the players to bail him out
McLaren had the right idea, but not the backbone to carry it out
Carver was just an accident waiting to happen from the start
Kinnear was an embarrassment from start to finish, but was picking up points. Not with great football, but still more entertaining than Bruceball. Plus there was always the cringy amusement that he might just have a sweary rant every now and then. Yes his Simon Bird rant looking back was a huge embarrassment, but still have the feeling that the intention was to build a siege mentality...just 20 years behind the times
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: James on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 09:22:01 AM
I don’t really buy the line that Pardew had the players to bail him out.

We’ve seen time and time again other good playing squads who either are not performing due to the managers tactics or who are mentally not there.

Therefore despite his many shortcomings and general unpopularity the other names on the list are not good enough to wipe his arse.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: matta on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 09:33:10 AM
Kinnear and McClaren are worse than Bruce in my opinion.
1 (worst). Kinnear.
2. McClaren
3. Carver
4. Bruce
5. Pardew
6. Hughton
7. Keegan
8. Rafa

Leaving Shearer out, and Sam Allardyce as well.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: toon25 on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 09:38:02 AM
Carver could relegate Real Madrid.

It was also the genuine, and legitimate, fear that Ashley would give him the job permanently.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: The Prophet on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 10:00:38 AM
I don’t really buy the line that Pardew had the players to bail him out.

We’ve seen time and time again other good playing squads who either are not performing due to the managers tactics or who are mentally not there.

Therefore despite his many shortcomings and general unpopularity the other names on the list are not good enough to wipe his arse.

Five points of relegation, with the quality of Colo, Cabaye, Ben Afra and Ba in the side. I beg to differ.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Lush Vlad on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 10:42:34 AM
Thinking about it a bit more and from reading back through some posts on here.  McClaren has been let off lightly, I feel.   

Perhaps it is because he wasn't here long for hatred to start taking over.  Or because Rafa came straight in and then stayed on after relegation, so it kind of blurs it all out.  Maybe because he came in after Pardew and Carver and so we were all just happy that era was over.  I guess he also wasn't as unbearable as a personality compared to some of the other despicable c***s that have managed us. But whatever way you cut it, we were going down with a whimper under him and went on some long winless streaks, from memory.

He had a decent amount of money to spend at the time, especially for us.  We had some players that could often turn in decent individual performances, or who went on to achieve more elsewhere, for better clubs.  So it's unforgivable that he had us in a relegation scrap his whole time here.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 11:01:38 AM
McClaren the worst for me. Spent loads of cash and took a side with loads of quality to the brink.

Kinnear by far the most embarrassing name but would have kept us up without his health issues that season. We were drawing a lot and weren't taking many thrashings; it was the period of Hughton caretakership and the damp squib of Shearer that took us down that year.

Bruce very very s*** but ahead of McClaren as he didn't relegate his side (yet).

Pardew biggest c*** but a better manager than the others.

Carver not even a manager, barely human.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Nattfare on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 11:18:48 AM
Weird people remember finishing 5th under Pardew, but forget the following season where we nearly got relegated with a side that should have been pushing the European places.

Thank god we're not in Europe any more!

Carver not even a manager, barely human.

Was gonna say that. He resembles a Stone Age caveman more than he resembles a human. :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: GavMcEl on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 12:16:07 PM
Carver by a long shot. Just a s*** c*** in every way even if he probably meant well in his head and wasn’t a vindictive lying piece of s*** like Pardew or Bruce.
Carver was comfortably the worst manager, but my hatred for Pardew and Bruce is much greater.

:thup:

Kinnear’s management was just before my time as a supporter, so I’ll not rate him in that regard.

In terms of direness of quality on the pitch:

1. Carver
2. McClaren
3. Bruce
4. Pardew

In terms of pure, unadulterated shithousery:

1. Pardew
2. Kinnear (DoF)
3. Bruce
4. Carver
5. McClaren

McClaren  has to be higher  up the shithousery list, do you not remember  when Chelsea  hammered  us 5-0 he came on the tv smiling  from ear to ear after
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 12:19:52 PM
I'm not counting Carver so Bruce by a mile!
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: thomas on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 12:22:10 PM
Carver by a long shot. Just a s*** c*** in every way even if he probably meant well in his head and wasn’t a vindictive lying piece of s*** like Pardew or Bruce.
Carver was comfortably the worst manager, but my hatred for Pardew and Bruce is much greater.

:thup:

Kinnear’s management was just before my time as a supporter, so I’ll not rate him in that regard.

In terms of direness of quality on the pitch:

McClaren  has to be higher  up the shithousery list, do you not remember  when Chelsea  hammered  us 5-0 he came on the tv smiling  from ear to ear after
Just never got it right at all.  "Judge me after 7 games." *7 games later* "wait, haha, did I say 7? I meant 10. Judge me after 10 games." *3 games later* "Would you spot me 15? Just wait until 15 before deciding...."
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Lenny on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 12:26:02 PM
McClaren the worst for me. Spent loads of cash and took a side with loads of quality to the brink.

Kinnear by far the most embarrassing name but would have kept us up without his health issues that season. We were drawing a lot and weren't taking many thrashings; it was the period of Hughton caretakership and the damp squib of Shearer that took us down that year.

Bruce very very s*** but ahead of McClaren as he didn't relegate his side (yet).

Pardew biggest c*** but a better manager than the others.

Carver not even a manager, barely human.

Is this a commonly shared opinion? I can't say I am in agreement :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: gjohnson on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 12:52:27 PM
McClaren the worst for me. Spent loads of cash and took a side with loads of quality to the brink.

Kinnear by far the most embarrassing name but would have kept us up without his health issues that season. We were drawing a lot and weren't taking many thrashings; it was the period of Hughton caretakership and the damp squib of Shearer that took us down that year.

Bruce very very s*** but ahead of McClaren as he didn't relegate his side (yet).

Pardew biggest c*** but a better manager than the others.

Carver not even a manager, barely human.

Is this a commonly shared opinion? I can't say I am in agreement :lol:

Wasn't pretty or particularly pleasant, but he was well on target to keep us up. Did the basics enough to get some results that weren't total flukes unlike Bruce where players cant pass to each other if they're ahead of them on the pitch or more than 5 feet away
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Colo's Short and Curlies on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 01:08:25 PM
McClaren was just 100% the wrong person at the wrong time. The club was poison when he came in and he just isn't the personality to turn anything around

Pardew rode waves and then got too big for his boots and tried to be too clever far too often. Other than Rafa and Keegan no manager that we've had under Ashley would have taken his squad to 5th place though.

Carver, he was just Pardew's turd that wouldn't flush.

Bruce actually came in with the team in the best shape of any of Ashley's managers - other than maybe Allardyce

So you have Rafa, Keegan, Hughton who were qualified successes (as successful as could be under the regime but potential to have done better if circumstances allowed)

Big gap to Pardew

Gap to Kinnear

Swamp feeders of Carver, Allardyce and McLaren

Bruce
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: GWN on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 04:25:40 PM
McClaren the worst for me. Spent loads of cash and took a side with loads of quality to the brink.

Kinnear by far the most embarrassing name but would have kept us up without his health issues that season. We were drawing a lot and weren't taking many thrashings; it was the period of Hughton caretakership and the damp squib of Shearer that took us down that year.

Bruce very very s*** but ahead of McClaren as he didn't relegate his side (yet).

Pardew biggest c*** but a better manager than the others.

Carver not even a manager, barely human.


I’m with this, I vote McLaren , f***ing useless mind.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 05:07:30 PM
Carver was totally inept, barely can be called a manager.
Think has to be Mclaren of the supposed experienced managers, shocking and after not too bad a summer.
Kinnear obviously wasn't good but came into absolute chaos, reckon he'd probably have kept us up if he'd stayed on for season - I don't really blame him, or any manager that season, for the relegation like I would McClaren.

Don't make me rank them as can't bring myself to write Pardew/Bruce around the top.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 05:24:45 PM
I just think how Bruce would have done taking over the Pardew/Carver mess like McClaren and think he’d have been even more horrendous. He’s managed to f*** up a good thing so God help him back then.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Inferior Acuña on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 05:34:32 PM
I reckon Bruce is better. McClaren's been pretty consistently utter s**** since Middlesbrough, bar an unremarkable season at Derby the year before us and his first spell at Twente. Bruce was getting Hull promoted for a second time while McClaren was wrecking us.

To put it this way, if I was a Championship club I'd think Bruce was a pretty good appointment, I wouldn't want McClaren.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: jackyboy on Wednesday 6 January 2021, 05:39:03 PM
Bruce for me because I make him the worst in every area apart from lying and then he's the best.  I don't think that any of the others destroyed the fan base the way Bruce has done
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 11:31:31 AM
Steve Bruce
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: marki on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 11:37:48 AM
steve bruce in the modern era by a mile
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Robster on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 12:18:20 PM
Steve Bruce
Getting more difficult to argue against that as each game passes :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:01:56 PM
Man ... Pardew was so rubbish and clueless, and his smarmy, arrogant, condescending manner just made the whole thing completely intolerable. Pretty difficult to top. Especially after that 5th place finish thanks to an outstanding team that he then went on to destroy single handedly.

Steve Bruce is equally rubbish and clueless, but is more of a pathetic figure just trying to blag it and cover his arse, which is pretty annoying too, but don't think it reaches Pardew levels.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: tgarve on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:04:52 PM
Man ... Pardew was so rubbish and clueless, and his smarmy, arrogant, condescending manner just made the whole thing completely intolerable. Pretty difficult to top. Especially after that 5th place finish thanks to an outstanding team that he then went on to destroy single handedly.

Steve Bruce is equally rubbish and clueless, but is more of a pathetic figure just trying to blag it and cover his arse, which is pretty annoying too, but don't think it reaches Pardew levels.

It does - as a manager way worse
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:08:34 PM
They're all a f***ing embarrassment and should have been no-where near this club.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Rafalove on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:11:03 PM
Man ... Pardew was so rubbish and clueless, and his smarmy, arrogant, condescending manner just made the whole thing completely intolerable. Pretty difficult to top. Especially after that 5th place finish thanks to an outstanding team that he then went on to destroy single handedly.

Steve Bruce is equally rubbish and clueless, but is more of a pathetic figure just trying to blag it and cover his arse, which is pretty annoying too, but don't think it reaches Pardew levels.

It does - as a manager way worse


Disagree though last night was probably the worst managerial performance I’ve seen from anyone.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:13:24 PM
As much as it pains me to say it, and it really does, Pardew at least managed to get Ben Arfa in his team when he could, despite his apparent lack of team ethic that was supposedly causing dressing room issues behind the scenes (Colo especially taking exception), whereas Bruce never gave him a look in even at Hull fking City.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Tiresias on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:16:53 PM
I do remember pardew once subbing ben arfa on at half time when we were down a few goals, ben arfa nearly dragging us back into the game then pardew singling him out for blame for the loss mind
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:17:50 PM
I do remember pardew once subbing ben arfa on at half time when we were down a few goals, ben arfa nearly dragging us back into the game then pardew singling him out for blame for the loss mind

100%.. TBF I'm trying to compare manure with dogshite, mind.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Cf on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:19:29 PM
f***ing hell. How do you get to a position where Alan Pardew only has 6% of the vote for worst manager in the last few years.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:26:38 PM
Man ... Pardew was so rubbish and clueless, and his smarmy, arrogant, condescending manner just made the whole thing completely intolerable. Pretty difficult to top. Especially after that 5th place finish thanks to an outstanding team that he then went on to destroy single handedly.

Steve Bruce is equally rubbish and clueless, but is more of a pathetic figure just trying to blag it and cover his arse, which is pretty annoying too, but don't think it reaches Pardew levels.

It does - as a manager way worse

Managerially I think they are both completely inept, but there is certainly a case to be made that Bruce is even worse.

Think Pardew may have looked a bit better because of that 5th place squad he had a chance to work with. Then again even with that squad Bruce may have well made a complete pigs ear of it too.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:28:12 PM
As much as it pains me to say it, and it really does, Pardew at least managed to get Ben Arfa in his team when he could, despite his apparent lack of team ethic that was supposedly causing dressing room issues behind the scenes (Colo especially taking exception), whereas Bruce never gave him a look in even at Hull fking City.

Very strong point!
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:31:15 PM
I think I remember an anecdote told about Ginola, where I believe it was Rob Lee that complained to Keegan about Ginola just swanning around in training and not doing anything out of possession in matches. I think Keegan said that his job is to make chances and score goals, and that's what he's measured on. Whereas Rob Lee was measured on how much he ran up and down the pitch and get in the box when in possession. Lee was just told to accept that different players have different standards and different jobs. Rob Lee accepted what Keegan said and just got on with, and the rest was history.

Tried to find the story online but can't seem to find it. Maybe I dreamed it :lol: Point being, special players should have special rules and good managers know that. Whereas Bruce on Ben Arfa: "I hope Hatem takes in what I've had to say to him because his talent is there for all to see. But talent without hard work means you won't live up to your potential. Unfortunately, to play for me you have to know you are playing for the team." It isn't much of a leap to suggest that even prime Ginola wouldn't have got much of a game under Bruce.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: chicken little on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 01:49:23 PM
I think I remember an anecdote told about Ginola, where I believe it was Rob Lee that complained to Keegan about Ginola just swanning around in training and not doing anything out of possession in matches.

I'm sure I heard the same but with Beresford in place of Ginola Lee? I mean the actual truth doesn't matter like, the truth of the matter shines through!
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Abra Dubravka on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 02:06:45 PM
I think I remember an anecdote told about Ginola, where I believe it was Rob Lee that complained to Keegan about Ginola just swanning around in training and not doing anything out of possession in matches. I think Keegan said that his job is to make chances and score goals, and that's what he's measured on. Whereas Rob Lee was measured on how much he ran up and down the pitch and get in the box when in possession. Lee was just told to accept that different players have different standards and different jobs. Rob Lee accepted what Keegan said and just got on with, and the rest was history.

Tried to find the story online but can't seem to find it. Maybe I dreamed it :lol: Point being, special players should have special rules and good managers know that. Whereas Bruce on Ben Arfa: "I hope Hatem takes in what I've had to say to him because his talent is there for all to see. But talent without hard work means you won't live up to your potential. Unfortunately, to play for me you have to know you are playing for the team." It isn't much of a leap to suggest that even prime Ginola wouldn't have got much of a game under Bruce.

Pretty much sums up why Bruce has never, and will never manage at the top level of the game. It's his job as a manager to harness that talent, and coax the work ethic and hard work out of a player. He should know that more than anyone, he played with Cantona and Fergie was a master of it.

Blokes talking out of his arsehole anyway, judging what Geoff Horsfield says about Duggary at Birmingham...

https://youtu.be/rlCdPmbGOcU?t=5190
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Candi_Hills on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 02:11:45 PM

Tried to find the story online but can't seem to find it. Maybe I dreamed it :lol: Point being, special players should have special rules and good managers know that. Whereas Bruce on Ben Arfa: "I hope Hatem takes in what I've had to say to him because his talent is there for all to see. But talent without hard work means you won't live up to your potential. Unfortunately, to play for me you have to know you are playing for the team." It isn't much of a leap to suggest that even prime Ginola wouldn't have got much of a game under Bruce.

Ben Afra didn't tear-arse round clattering blokes but he wasn't lazy either. He closed people down better than Ginola and Robert combined. I reckon he probably was an arsehole to work with generally but that's where man management comes in and where Pardew and Bruce were found lacking.

I still hate Pardew more than Bruce. Bruce is more a buffoon, a bit like Frank Spencer or Chief Wiggum, whereas Pardew is truly evil, like Josef Stalin or Mark Lawrenson.

Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Abra Dubravka on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 02:19:02 PM

Tried to find the story online but can't seem to find it. Maybe I dreamed it :lol: Point being, special players should have special rules and good managers know that. Whereas Bruce on Ben Arfa: "I hope Hatem takes in what I've had to say to him because his talent is there for all to see. But talent without hard work means you won't live up to your potential. Unfortunately, to play for me you have to know you are playing for the team." It isn't much of a leap to suggest that even prime Ginola wouldn't have got much of a game under Bruce.

Ben Afra didn't tear-arse round clattering blokes but he wasn't lazy either. He closed people down better than Ginola and Robert combined. I reckon he probably was an arsehole to work with generally but that's where man management comes in and where Pardew and Bruce were found lacking.

I still hate Pardew more than Bruce. Bruce is more a buffoon, a bit like Frank Spencer or Chief Wiggum, whereas Pardew is truly evil, like Josef Stalin or Mark Lawrenson.

I'd have him more Uday Hussian - plenty of power, nightclubs, strippers and sex without ever actually doing anything to deserve it.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 03:35:22 PM
I still think Carver shouldn't be on that list mind - take him off and you'll see Bruce's true %!
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Consortium of one on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 03:50:48 PM
yeah....cabbage head is sliding into that #1 spot
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: KaKa on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 03:58:40 PM

Tried to find the story online but can't seem to find it. Maybe I dreamed it :lol: Point being, special players should have special rules and good managers know that. Whereas Bruce on Ben Arfa: "I hope Hatem takes in what I've had to say to him because his talent is there for all to see. But talent without hard work means you won't live up to your potential. Unfortunately, to play for me you have to know you are playing for the team." It isn't much of a leap to suggest that even prime Ginola wouldn't have got much of a game under Bruce.

Ben Afra didn't tear-arse round clattering blokes but he wasn't lazy either. He closed people down better than Ginola and Robert combined. I reckon he probably was an arsehole to work with generally but that's where man management comes in and where Pardew and Bruce were found lacking.

I still hate Pardew more than Bruce. Bruce is more a buffoon, a bit like Frank Spencer or Chief Wiggum, whereas Pardew is truly evil, like Josef Stalin or Mark Lawrenson.



The last line made me laugh so much man. Thanks :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: HawK on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 04:00:39 PM
I think I remember an anecdote told about Ginola, where I believe it was Rob Lee that complained to Keegan about Ginola just swanning around in training and not doing anything out of possession in matches.

I'm sure I heard the same but with Beresford in place of Ginola? I mean the actual truth doesn't matter like, the truth of the matter shines through!

Ah that sounds more familiar, would make sense as Beresford had to do the job of two people out of possession to accomodate him :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Robster on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 05:08:41 PM
The "False No 10" comment has rocketed him to the No 1 spot in my eyes.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Si on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 05:09:46 PM
The "False No 10" comment has rocketed him to the No 1 spot in my eyes.
Plural my dear, "False no 10's" that makes it even odder.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Robster on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 05:10:30 PM
The "False No 10" comment has rocketed him to the No 1 spot in my eyes.
Plural my dear, "False no 10's" that makes it even odder.
Ah sorry, yes :lol:
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Mag_in_NZ on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 05:12:31 PM
Voted Carver and Then Kinnear and Bruce (3rd place) but after yesterday the Vogon wins it, in over 50 years that's the first time I have seen a Manager set up, against lower opposition, to actively not try and win.......f*** him and get outta here
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Darth Crooks on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 07:27:25 PM
Vogon 😀 rather hear their poetry than Bruce speak again
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: huss9 on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 08:47:29 PM
last night officially made Bruce the worst.

even Clueless Carver wouldnt have played 9 defensively minded players against the bottom club without a win to its name.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: nufcjb on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 09:00:22 PM
Honestly, Carver should be removed from the list. He was a joke. I can barely remember anything good out of his interim period.

Bruce is just the worse, the football, the personality, the arrogance, the patrionising, the disrespect to the club and the fans, the dinosaur knowledge of the game. An impostor of a Geordie.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Bimpy474 on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 09:14:22 PM
Amazed I'm saying this but i can't stand Bruce more than i did Pardew. Purely with the football.

Pardew truly came of the devils arse, Bruce however while an utter arse gravy, fell out of a useless football manager tree and hit c***ing branch on the way down.
I just can't put him in the same personal hatred bracket as Pardew.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Holmesy on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 09:19:44 PM
Pardew was utterly detestable but there were some entertaining performances during his tenure (most of them despite him rather than because of him). The 4-4 against Arsenal springs to mind.

Under Bruce we’ve seen nothing in 18 months and if anything, it’s getting worse. I know Pardew had better players but Bruce could have the Man City first team and we’d still be boring as f*** to watch. He’s No.1 for me now
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: geordiesteve710 on Wednesday 13 January 2021, 10:55:59 PM
f***ing hell. How do you get to a position where Alan Pardew only has 6% of the vote for worst manager in the last few years.

By appointing Lee f***ing Charnley to run your club and hire the managers.
Title: Re: Our Worst Manager Under Ashley
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Thursday 14 January 2021, 06:43:25 AM
As much as it pains me to say it, and it really does, Pardew at least managed to get Ben Arfa in his team when he could, despite his apparent lack of team ethic that was supposedly causing dressing room issues behind the scenes (Colo especially taking exception), whereas Bruce never gave him a look in even at Hull fking City.

Very strong point!

The time Bruce signed him was the time he was also outcast by Pardew let’s not forget. We were seeing Gouffran, Sammy Ameobi and even f***ing Gosling ahead of him.