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Title: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: CFlan on Thursday 29 October 2020, 08:35:00 PM
Best to escape the stench of a Lakers title thread. Very interested to see what Morey does in Philly.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:04:41 AM
Season staring on Dec 22nd.

Also this had the potential to have the most punchable backcourt since Mark Jackson/Reggie Miller.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:05:29 AM
Ah god here we go.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:09:58 AM
Ah god here we go.

Hey, at least he’s not coming to us, I was worried with the Leon Rose connection
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:19:21 AM
:lol: Are we s****, like? I no longer know anything.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:22:17 AM
:lol: Are we s****, like? I no longer know anything.

Very much so.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:23:44 AM
:lol: There any reason in particular to be s****, someone big in college/overseas or are we doing that thing where we're s**** a few years before it'd be beneficial to be awful, and then make the 8 seed when a God is in the amateurs?
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Pandamninator on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:47:20 AM
Draft this year is pretty trash so you picked a good year to avoid using your lottery luck.

Might want to freeze the envelopes for next year though.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Mike on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 02:55:10 AM
Who's coming out next year? There a Lebron in the pipeline?
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 03:00:17 AM
Aye, no one can seem to agree on who the best players are in the draft this year so we’re in a good spot at 8. Next year is stacked by all accounts. Luckily we’ll be no where near the 8th seed either :lol:
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 03:05:31 AM
Who's coming out next year? There a Lebron in the pipeline?

The draft nerds are getting wet over Cade Cunningham and Jalen Green.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Pandamninator on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 03:08:03 AM
Aye, no one can seem to agree on who the best players are in the draft this year so we’re in a good spot at 8. Next year is stacked by all accounts. Luckily we’ll be no where near the 8th seed either :lol:

Think Wiseman was being hyped up as the guy this draft, but he got ruled ineligible for the year after like 4 games so he's a big question mark.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 03:53:35 AM
Aye, no one can seem to agree on who the best players are in the draft this year so we’re in a good spot at 8. Next year is stacked by all accounts. Luckily we’ll be no where near the 8th seed either :lol:

Think Wiseman was being hyped up as the guy this draft, but he got ruled ineligible for the year after like 4 games so he's a big question mark.

Yeah I remember watching his first game as he was being billed as the number #1. The two draft express guys on Zach Lowe’s pod were saying that Lamelo was the best player which is wildly different from a few others I listened too.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Pandamninator on Wednesday 11 November 2020, 04:11:19 AM
Aye, no one can seem to agree on who the best players are in the draft this year so we’re in a good spot at 8. Next year is stacked by all accounts. Luckily we’ll be no where near the 8th seed either :lol:

Think Wiseman was being hyped up as the guy this draft, but he got ruled ineligible for the year after like 4 games so he's a big question mark.

Yeah I remember watching his first game as he was being billed as the number #1. The two draft express guys on Zach Lowe’s pod were saying that Lamelo was the best player which is wildly different from a few others I listened too.

Wiseman did look like a made for 2020 Dwight Howard in the little bits we saw of him, but it's always hard to gauge when you've got a stud prospect lined up against a bunch of accounting majors from Whodafuckareyou State in November.

I watched LaMelo a couple of times in person for a laugh during the NBL season - was really not convinced.  The entire gameplan was built around him touching the ball as much as he wanted and he was inefficient as hell putting up his stats.  Illawarra also finished dead last, a position they occupied even before he quit halfway through the season.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Mole on Monday 16 November 2020, 06:25:04 PM
Chris Paul to Phoenix
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: RodneyCisse on Monday 16 November 2020, 08:09:46 PM
Oubre going the other way
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 03:51:40 AM
Great trade. Phoenix are going to be a problem.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 09:19:07 AM
Presti getting out from under the Russ and Paul contracts in the space of a season is some impressive GM’ing and that’s before you look at the picks he got.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 09:55:21 AM
Yeah, they have an incredible haul of picks. It was a great trade for both parties.

OKC can now build around SGA, and still have some players they can either keep or flip still as there would be interest in the likes of Rubio, Oubre and Adams. They can sign and trade Gallinari too I believe.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 10:06:36 AM
Bucks gave up a lot for Jrue but they haven’t much choice with Giannis a FA next year. Bogdanovic is a nice player, I watched a lot of the Kings and he always stood out.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 11:06:03 AM
Rookie question - is there a really straightforward guide to how trades and salary caps work in the NBA?
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 11:23:12 AM
Haven’t a clue myself  :lol:

Basically you need the salary going out in the trade to match the salary coming in. The cap stops you signing free agents that would push your salary above it but doesn’t really affect your trades. Loads of teams are over the salary cap and they just pay a luxury tax as a consequence.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 11:51:32 AM
Getting Holiday and Bogdanovic is fantastic for Giannis really. Chuffed for him. Big upgrades at the guard positions.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 11:53:27 AM
This Harden to the Nets talk is so crazy to me.

No chance a Harden, Kyrie and Durant trio works, surely?!

Harden and Kyrie don't defend for starters and there's only one ball to go around for goodness sake.

Don't like the move.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 12:00:29 PM
Blazers with a really nice pickup in Covington. Love that move for them. Sent Ariza and 2 first rounders over to Houston.

Jordan wants Westbrook at the Hornets. Think that would be a decent move. They're a young, scrappy team that had a decent season last year. Westbrook can be the main man there and have a decent young supporting cast. Think that's the best he can hope for going forward. He doesn't gel well with other top players IMO. A bit like Iverson back in the day, just surround him with complementary, hard nosed defensive minded players that can hit some shots.

Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: KDT on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 12:27:28 PM
Haven’t a clue myself  :lol:

Basically you need the salary going out in the trade to match the salary coming in. The cap stops you signing free agents that would push your salary above it but doesn’t really affect your trades. Loads of teams are over the salary cap and they just pay a luxury tax as a consequence.

It seems like its the NFL that only actually has a hard salary cap, all the others seem to be able to just pay what the want really.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 12:49:10 PM
Aye there’s plenty of ways to get around it. Like you can go over the cap if you’re resigning your own player so you’ll see teams waiting to officially sign players after they’ve agreed terms on the contracts.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: Mole on Tuesday 17 November 2020, 01:45:56 PM
After what we got for Jrue i don't see why Houston would accept Brooklyn's scraps for Harden.

Which puts Philly in a strong position if they really want to.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft 18th November
Post by: CFlan on Wednesday 18 November 2020, 11:47:47 PM
Horford to OKC for Danny Green and ANOTHER 1st :lol:
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: OCK on Thursday 19 November 2020, 12:11:42 AM
I see the Knicks are doing a very Knicks thing with their draft.  :lol:
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: Ameritoon on Thursday 19 November 2020, 12:27:19 AM
Pistons making moves for future is such a good sight. Took way too long but at least we're doing it.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: Pandamninator on Thursday 19 November 2020, 12:40:22 AM
I see the Knicks are doing a very Knicks thing with their draft.  :lol:

Probably the suckiest draft since 2013... so better trade up the board fam.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: CFlan on Thursday 19 November 2020, 12:56:13 AM
Malika Andrews  :kurt:
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: CFlan on Thursday 19 November 2020, 01:53:40 AM
Think we done f***ed up.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: Mole on Thursday 19 November 2020, 02:27:53 AM
Most of the draft obsessives seem to think we've made a good pick.

Can't say i know anything about any of the players in the draft though :lol:
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: CFlan on Thursday 19 November 2020, 02:48:26 AM
Most of the draft obsessives seem to think we've made a good pick.

Can't say i know anything about any of the players in the draft though :lol:

Sad to see a pregnant Swin Cash in your draft room.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Thursday 19 November 2020, 03:18:21 AM
So many Nigerians in this draft. :lol: I am taking my boy to the court tomorrow.

Everyone says the Toppin boy reminds them of Amare, hopefully with knees. Seems a good pick for New York.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: Pandamninator on Thursday 19 November 2020, 06:08:27 AM
Over/under how many practices before Jordan makes Lamelo cry?
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: Pandamninator on Friday 20 November 2020, 05:20:21 AM
Klay  :jesuswept:

That cursed monkey paw is really wreaking it's revenge on Golden State.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: QuakesMag on Friday 20 November 2020, 05:23:52 AM
Klay  :jesuswept:

That cursed monkey paw is really wreaking it's revenge on Golden State.

:( Literally the last guy you want to see get injured. Such a nice guy. Love that interview he did where he was stopped on the street in New York to talk about the scaffolding everywhere. He gave his opinions on the structural integrity of the scaffolding. The reporter had no idea who he was.

We had a brilliant run.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: Ameritoon on Saturday 21 November 2020, 03:11:59 AM
Troy Weaver just dealing for the sake of dealing :lol:
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 November 2020, 08:14:43 AM
Pelicans got Steven Adams man. Very nice upgrade from Derrick Favours.

Lakers getting Harrell was very nice too. Having a really good off season themselves.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 21 November 2020, 09:17:08 AM
Clippers resigning the bad Morris twin for 4 years :lol:

Knicks yet to make a stupid deal, could this be the dawn of a new era?
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 November 2020, 09:30:03 AM
Think Clippers panicked after Harrell switched to the Lakers. Terrible deal to give Morris that.

John Wall has asked out of Washington. He's looked good and healthy in workouts coming off the injury, and seems to have re-worked his jumper.

Would you take him at the Knicks? Or Westbrook?

Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Draft tonight.
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 21 November 2020, 10:17:52 AM
Wall absolutely no way. Maybe Russ, although if RJ is who we think he can be then Russ may hamper that progress but I’d enjoy watching him for at least half a season before I went crazy. Think we should keep our cap free and try do what OKC are doing and take on some bad contracts in exchange for picks.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: Mole on Saturday 21 November 2020, 01:05:11 PM
Gonna say it, there's way worse fits for Russ than the Wizards.

Not saying it should happen but it isn't an awful on court fit.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 21 November 2020, 01:53:44 PM
Think Adams is finished Moley, not sure what the thinking was there.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: B-more Mag on Saturday 21 November 2020, 02:16:59 PM
I'll happily see Wall get injured again somewhere else.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 21 November 2020, 02:34:24 PM
By all accounts the guy you drafted is the real deal.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: Mole on Saturday 21 November 2020, 03:14:31 PM
Think Adams is finished Moley, not sure what the thinking was there.

Have no idea as i don't really watch OKC but I'm gonna assume he will be better than Favors was for us.

Also he's a Expiring, so if he sucks it's not a major problem.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: CFlan on Saturday 21 November 2020, 09:21:43 PM
Big number for Hayward but I suppose what other free agents do Charlotte have a shot at.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 November 2020, 10:21:27 PM
Suns sign Jae Crowder.

Such a great addition for them. Adding Crowder and Paul to that group is so great.

Happy for Booker.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Saturday 21 November 2020, 11:28:16 PM
So apparently Danny Ainge messed up.

Hayward wanted to go to Indy and has already moved his family back there and everything.

Indy offered Turner and McDermott in a sign and trade, and Ainge was insisting on Turner and TJ Warren or Oladipo.

Jordan swooped in during the stalemate and essentially offered Hayward a deal he couldn't really refuse.

Really bad for Boston, as I think Turner would have been a really interesting piece to add for them. Now they're left with nothing.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: Ginola on Sunday 22 November 2020, 12:10:11 AM
It's s*** that we got nothing for him but there's no way to know we weren't close to a deal with Indiana before Charlotte came in for him.

4/120 is ridiculous for Hayward at 30 and after the injuries he's had btw
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: Mole on Sunday 22 November 2020, 02:20:24 AM
The idea of Turner is better than the reality.

They're much better off with Tristan Thompson.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: Pandamninator on Sunday 22 November 2020, 04:13:34 AM
Think Adams is finished Moley, not sure what the thinking was there.

I wouldn't say he's finished - his stats last year are in line with the rest of his career when you adjust for the less minutes.

But that is and always was problem - he was a high floor, low ceiling guy.  If you need him get you 8 boards, he will give you 10 boards, if you need him to dominate the glass and get you 20, he will get you 10.  Just doesn't have the drive like his sister does.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 22 November 2020, 08:01:02 AM
The idea of Turner is better than the reality.

They're much better off with Tristan Thompson.

Yeah, he's not perfect, but he could have been had and Thompson can't be.

Turner is still really young, and working within Brad Stephen's system I could easily see him doing better and improving going forward.

*Never mind! Just realised that Thompson was a free agent and they have indeed signed him. That's a great deal for them, as he's much better defensively, particularly when switching onto guards. Nice move.

Wonder if they could have had both Thompson and then Turner through the sign and trade. That would have been amazing.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 22 November 2020, 08:07:00 AM
Think Adams is finished Moley, not sure what the thinking was there.

I wouldn't say he's finished - his stats last year are in line with the rest of his career when you adjust for the less minutes.

But that is and always was problem - he was a high floor, low ceiling guy.  If you need him get you 8 boards, he will give you 10 boards, if you need him to dominate the glass and get you 20, he will get you 10.  Just doesn't have the drive like his sister does.

His stats are decent enough at around 13 and 10 the seasons he plays at least 30 mins.

But with him it's not really about stats. He brings a ton of toughness and is a really good defender. He also sets the best picks in the league by far. The guy just does all the important things that add a lot of value, and is a very unselfish player and so a great character addition too.

Amazing that he's only just 27 years old too. Really liked the move, personally.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 22 November 2020, 09:30:08 AM
Clippers get Serge Ibaka! Big bounce back after losing Harrell to the Lakers.

Love this signing, and think he's a better fit than Harrell for them, as he's more versatile defensively and is a far superior shooter from the free throw line and three.

Ibaka, Morris, Kawhi and George in the same 5 is very handy defensively. Good stuff.

Man, this coming season is going to be interesting.

Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 22 November 2020, 09:35:22 AM
In other news ...

The Knicks have signed Elfrid Payton and Nerlens Noel.

(https://media3.giphy.com/media/3otPoPoCbPjSP4ktGw/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: CFlan on Sunday 22 November 2020, 10:19:14 AM
1 year deals that will be easily flipped for assets at the trade deadline. Well maybe not Payton because he’s doo doo
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 22 November 2020, 10:51:33 AM
I know man, was just messing with you.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 22 November 2020, 11:09:47 AM
So Harrell took less money than offered elsewhere to join the Lakers, because of course ... he is a client of Klutch sports.

Anyone find this whole LeBron and Klutch thing a bit weird, and how it can be used to gain an unfair advantage?
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: CFlan on Sunday 22 November 2020, 11:13:12 AM
Rich Paul won him a championship by getting AD to him. It’s dodgy as f*** the whole thing I’m actually surprised that Thompson went to the Celtics due to their lack of relationship with Klutch.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: KaKa on Sunday 22 November 2020, 11:29:24 AM
Yes, of course! Boston had the assets NO were after to swing that AD trade, but he refused to go there due to this whole nonsense.

Yeah man, I think it's outrageous really. I mean ... it's so difficult to have any respect for LeBron's accomplishments because he's always manipulating things in some way.

No idea how this whole thing is allowed.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: RodneyCisse on Sunday 22 November 2020, 12:56:41 PM
Serge to link back up with Kawhi at the clippers apparently

https://youtu.be/YepzD44YVkw
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: Mike on Sunday 22 November 2020, 04:14:06 PM
What's this f***ing Hayward bullshit I'm hearing.

edit: :lol: Nevermind he's a Hornet now.
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: CFlan on Sunday 22 November 2020, 04:51:31 PM
What's this f***ing Hayward bullshit I'm hearing.

edit: :lol: Nevermind he's a Hornet now.

MJ saving Dolan :lol:
Title: Re: NBA 2020-21 - Free Agency
Post by: Mike on Sunday 22 November 2020, 05:11:04 PM
What's this f***ing Hayward bullshit I'm hearing.

edit: Nevermind he's a Hornet now.

MJ saving Dolan
What a world.