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NUFC => Football => Topic started by: Mike on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:47:56 AM

Title: Success at what cost?
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:47:56 AM
@DJ_NUFC had a fantastic idea that there should be a thread dedicated solely to discussing the elephant in the room. So here it is!

I'm conflicted. I want Ashley gone, and I'd love to support a competitive club, but I don't like the person I'd have to be to do so. Not a criticism of anyone who feels otherwise, it's just how I feel. I'm sure I already support fairly horrible people with my purchases and Prime account.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:59:01 AM
Didn't know John Henry was that bad.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:00:24 AM
:lol: Shut the f*** up.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Hughesy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:04:59 AM
I feel slightly uneasy as well, but I always find it a bit odd that a different standard is applied to football fans. I mean the Saudis invest in all kinds of stuff that people still consume, yet we don’t upbraid people for using Uber.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:07:49 AM
I'll take anything to get rid of Mike Ashley. For the last 13 years I've had to watch him not only kill off our club, but play himself out as the "Hero of the highstreet." while he actually scraps as many jobs as possible, tries to rip people off and get their facilities for free, and creates a culture where a lass has to give birth in the f***ing bathroom at work because she's so f***ing scared how they'll respond if she literally takes one day off for labour, never mind maternity leave. Make no mistake, the man in charge of us would be a dictator no problem if he was in that position. Just look at Trump. Dodgy businessman who's turning america into a full on dictatorship where he has no accountability for his actions. Mike Ashley is exactly of that ilk. Make no mistake, we already have the scummiest type of person in charge, he just doesn't have the power to commit those type of acts.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Decky on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:07:54 AM
While I completely understand the moral problem, my love of the game is making the decision on this one so I'm probably a horrible person. The club is incredibly personal to me and takes time out of my day almost daily, and its been that way for most of my life. Ashley has completely destroyed football and Newcastle for me to the point where I've wasted years of going over because of boycotts and I've even considered just walking away from it all to save the agro. I'd take getting my club back and getting back the love of the game over anything right now, even this.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:09:24 AM
It feels like that would be taking on some kind of 2nd or 3rd level of indirect responsibility and I've always rejected notions like that. None of their atrocious acts were done in the name of Newcastle United or to further their interest in the club.

There's a kind of nihilism about it all anyway, given my absolute inability to change what they're doing or planning on doing. Might as well enjoy my club for the first time in 10 years.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Pata on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:11:32 AM
I'm probably a bad person but I don't think I really care. I don't think they are anyone's first choice as a new owner but I just want Ashley gone. I don't need success or billions pumped into the club. I just want to watch NUFC and feel something. And if not us, they would buy some other club while we would be stuck in this meaningless existence under Ashley.

In any case, they are so rich that any money fans use on the club is absolutely meaningless in the bigger picture and not directly used to do horrible things around the world. I'm willing to just close my eyes and not think about it too much and just watch football again without the apathy (hopefully).
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:14:26 AM
Why should we feel responsible for Saudi's actions? We're one of the only places in the country that doesn't vote for the b******s happily selling them weapons.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: toontownman on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:32:28 AM
If Rafas good with it. I'm good with it.

Honestly I think everyone would love us to do it the honest way without buying the league. The past 10 plus years has ripped the soul out of so many of us I don't really care at this point. I dont begrudge any of us the potential taste of winning something whatever the means.

Also not like 99% of owners arent utter villainous cretins either.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Strawberry on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:36:59 AM
Lets not Jinx it lads.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ameritoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:45:10 AM
It feels like that would be taking on some kind of 2nd or 3rd level of indirect responsibility and I've always rejected notions like that. None of their atrocious acts were done in the name of Newcastle United or to further their interest in the club.

There's a kind of nihilism about it all anyway, given my absolute inability to change what they're doing or planning on doing. Might as well enjoy my club for the first time in 10 years.

👍

There's no way to live in Capitalism and be truly ethical. I don't feel great about the idea of being taken over by them, but I have no influence over the decision.

There's not many good billionaires out there, whoever eventually takes us over will have their cons, perhaps none as bad as the Saudis, but it's something you live with as a football/sports fan.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 03:28:47 AM
If it’s not us then it’s someone else, possibly Man Utd who they takeover.
Someone else is going to get the success that they bring.
In all honesty, why not us if that’s the case?
The Man City and PSG owners are hardly saints either.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 03:43:44 AM
It's a financial investment that gets rid of a bloke that has held Newcastle back for 13 years, if it was Man United their fans and the press would be loving it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Raconteur on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:20:17 AM
It’s a pretty good effort to go from the most evil capitalist in Britain to one of the most evil governments in the world.

Like, if you were playing a game six months ago “who would be a worse owner than Ashley” then it’s a pretty short list with only a few select villainous villains on it. I think I’d rather Putin than MBS owning the Toon.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: xLiaaamx on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:29:00 AM
Their supposed plans involve investing the area too. That immediately makes them better for the city of Newcastle than Ashley.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:59:25 AM
You use things which directly enrich Saudi Arabia every day yet there's not a peep about them, why is our football club any different?

I'll continue supporting Newcastle whoever owns it, it's my club and my city.  Fair enough, it'd be nice if a multi-billionaire buddhist monk decided to buy us but at the end of the day it's a football club, not a political party.  You can be against the actions of the Saudi government and still support NUFC, the place to fight that fight is at the ballot box, not the terraces.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 05:27:10 AM
Massively uncomfortable with this. Think I’ll be out.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 05:27:36 AM
Hate it and won't be a part of it.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:05:58 AM
Great thread, and thanks for starting it, Mike.

I’m in the same boat as most others. The short term part of me would be over the moon with the prospect of kicking Ashley out finally, but I know myself, and as soon as the dust settles, I’ll start feeling queasy in the stomach about the new ownership. I think, however, I’ll try to ride the new phase out just as I’m still here waiting to see Ashley leave. This club is a part of me and I’ll be here as long as it stands. And if riding the new wave out means we actually compete for once, and maybe even feel like we are supporting a football club again, at least there will be some upside to it (as a football fan). Under Ashley, we’ve had a bad owner AND bad ownership of the club.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: geordiedean on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:10:09 AM
Dont give a s*** just want to see us win something before I die
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Wilson on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:15:46 AM
Have to say this is ultimately going to be a pointless thread.

Having said that, I'd be 100% back in the minute ashley is gone, regardless who comes in.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:40:02 AM
Yeah I’ve already accepted that I’m a c*** for wanting this.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Froggy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:42:39 AM
The Saudi's tend to like their football. I don't think a Saudi takeover is as bad as people are making out. As long as their medieval laws stay in their country there's no reason not to enjoy the ownership.

Your club will 100% be better under Saudis than Ashley.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: LV on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:58:22 AM
If you take this kind of thing to it’s logical conclusion, you’re going to have to stop using petrol, diesel and oil for your cars.

Tough one no doubt but IF this takeover actually happens I reckon I could bury my head in the sand for a bit of joy watching my football team again.

Ugh, I feel dirty saying that.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:02:20 AM
If you take this kind of thing to it’s logical conclusion, you’re going to have to stop using petrol, diesel and oil for your cars.

Tough one no doubt but IF this takeover actually happens I reckon I could bury my head in the sand for a bit of joy watching my football team again.

Ugh, I feel dirty saying that.

Don't forget plastic.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:11:49 AM
Under that logic then supporting NUFC is a matter of modern day living.  Those comparisons are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: gdm on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:13:00 AM
It feels like that would be taking on some kind of 2nd or 3rd level of indirect responsibility and I've always rejected notions like that. None of their atrocious acts were done in the name of Newcastle United or to further their interest in the club.

There's a kind of nihilism about it all anyway, given my absolute inability to change what they're doing or planning on doing. Might as well enjoy my club for the first time in 10 years.

My exact thoughts on it
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:13:33 AM
Would someone be able to explain MBS’s exact links to the wealth fund that would funding the club please?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:14:59 AM
Massively uncomfortable with this. Think I’ll be out.

If it gets scuppered. I think I'll be out. I'll join with the other fairweather fans and support teams like Man City and Arsenal instead who only have mild links with undesirable regimes.

The rest of you please continue to enjoy Ashley and Richard Keys smug satisfaction.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Nobody on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:15:24 AM
You use things which directly enrich Saudi Arabia every day yet there's not a peep about them, why is our football club any different?

I'll continue supporting Newcastle whoever owns it, it's my club and my city.  Fair enough, it'd be nice if a multi-billionaire buddhist monk decided to buy us but at the end of the day it's a football club, not a political party.  You can be against the actions of the Saudi government and still support NUFC, the place to fight that fight is at the ballot box, not the terraces.
Pretty much this :thup:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Unbelievable! on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:16:28 AM
I think I’m with the majority so far on this thread, in that I feel uneasy about it IF it were to happen, but it wouldn’t stop me supporting the club and for the first time in 12 years it could actually try to be the best it can be, which I’m all for. As others have said, it’s perfectly possible to support the club and enjoy any good football and success it brings whilst at the same time actively disliking the owner and the things they do away from the club. I hate what NUFC has become under Ashley, and will judge any new ownership on their plans for the club first and foremost. Supporting this club, even if owned by the Saudis, is in no way the same thing as condoning or supporting all the acts of its owners in their other endeavors.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: reefatoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:20:27 AM
A few years down the line and we are in the champions league final. As if anybody won’t be watching man because of who the owners are. If success is brought in, everyone will get caught up in it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: RS on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:25:06 AM
If it wasn’t fake news I’d say bring it on.  It’s incredibly funny but a piece of astute PR that Ashley has invented someone potentially morally worse than himself to buy the club so that in a weeks time people go “close call, you know, Mikes not that bad after all”. He’s kept us clear of the bad billionaires and gave us free tickets. Ledge!
Look at the responses on here. It’s done it’s job!

He’s here forever remember!
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: The Little Waster on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:53:35 AM
So , support the team not the head chopping regime ?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: HawK on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:56:57 AM
For me, Ashley gone at any cost. Then whatever comes after I'll worry about later. I told the missus last night that if my family somehow died in an accident and I survived, I'd probably take one for the team due to the level of my hatred and loathing of the man.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Marmoset on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:12:19 AM
So , support the team not the head chopping regime ?

 :lol:  :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Montey on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:20:06 AM
I normally, in life, am pretty conservative and consequently take a "better the devil you know" approach to change.  But, sometimes a devil is such a see-you-next-Tuesday that I'd rather have a go with a new devil.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Mag_in_NZ on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:28:57 AM
I have come to stage where anything is better than what we have....in 10 years KSA may have improved, no one knows......in 10 years Ashley will still be a c—t who will still be sucking us dry
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:28:59 AM
What if this venture actually helps loosen some of those laws and pulls SA more in line with the western world?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Tyne81 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:29:37 AM
I personally couldn't give a s***. We are a consumer and materialistic environment indulging in products, making money from and turning blind eyes to all sorts of shithousery practices. Look at other big clubs and where the money comes from. Look at how much we have paid the likes of Sky and such to put football where it currently is. We drive the forces and it's not letting up so either jump on board or find a new sport whilst living like a vegan caveman.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Smal on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:52:58 AM
Comparing it to buying fuel for your car is daft. It’s not the same at all.

Saudi investment in sport is purely political. They do it to improve their global reputation whilst they continue to commit atrocities and violate basic human rights. It’s pure sportswashing and I can’t support a club that is part of that.

Mike Ashley’s practices might be bad, but they aren’t a scratch on the Saudis. I desperately want rid of him, but not if this is the answer.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:57:52 AM
 They could behead people live on pay per view on the pitch as long as we are winning the quadruple every season. anyone who thinks differently is blatently lying to themselves.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:02:46 AM
If this group buy the club and people have an issue with it then stay away, if it doesn't bother you then go to the games and enjoy it. 

Its really straight forward.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Si on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:07:03 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:09:17 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Si on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:13:10 AM


f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

No car Boy,  torture, murder, war crimes aren't 'nowt' and using a club with a proud history to distract from this isn't something I'll be cheering.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:14:29 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen (https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen)

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman (https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events)



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

That comparison is f***ing ridiculous.

1) Oil comes from different resources, so you don't know where it's exactly come from.
2) Supporting NUFC is not essential, however for modern day living sadly we still need resources from oil.
2) It's the brutal regime that is the issue, that money could have come from gold or other resources and I still wouldn't want it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: CFlan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:16:26 AM
I hate Mike Ashley because he’s holding back our club. I therefore hate sports direct and there policies. I’m not a good man and I don’t have too many morals, I was solely in the anti Saudi camp a week ago however if they make this club something it hasn’t been since I started following in ‘95 then I’m all in and I’ll worry about my conscience after.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ankles Bennett on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:17:07 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

If we are talking Human rights abuse, Guantanamo Bay anyone?  I assume none of the Saudi objectors holiday in the good old US of A?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Northerngimp on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:19:17 AM
You can also add the prisoner rendition through Europe, to the UK and then on to USA.  All governments knew about it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Trewicks tash on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:20:05 AM
If the fa find them fit and proper to own a premier league club then my conscience is clear and im all in
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:21:54 AM
This is all part of 'Vision 2030' which aims to modernise the country and bring it more into line with the rest of the world though, right?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:22:42 AM
I might be able to go to the odd game again, but I doubt I'll ever feel the same. It's not this situation specifically really, it's just the PL becoming a competition for who has the best billionaire, rather than a sport. 
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Si on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:22:56 AM
People seem to be getting confused by degrees of separation or don't give a f***. There are no degrees of separation between the regime and this bid, there is a direct f***ing line. I'm not sure how that compares to going on holiday to America.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Unlucky Luque on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:25:36 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:25:40 AM
Honestly don't know where I stand, fact is this mob are among the worst regimes in the world for human rights abuses and the fact he'd be using nufc for purely political purposes is troubling in the extreme but if Ashleys going to go I don't see who else buys it from him except one of this type c***. So in summary f*** modern football and for the love of god introduce the 50+1 rule
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:28:19 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:28:32 AM
This vision 2030 about modernising is because they have to if they want their economy to survive after the oil has ran out.  I don't believe an iota that they've started giving out more freedoms because they've suddenly found their moral compass.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Unlucky Luque on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:31:56 AM
The default for the last 10 year has been seething hatred and apathy towards the absolute parasite being Ashely. As abhorrent as the new potential ownership are, I would rather the onus be on me and my moral standing, I suppose there's some sort of control in that.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:32:06 AM
This vision 2030 about modernising is because they have to if they want their economy to survive after the oil has ran out.  I don't believe an iota that they've started giving out more freedoms because they've suddenly found their moral compass.

Quote
He has led several successful reforms, which includes the removal of the ban on female drivers in June 2018,[12] and weakening the male-guardianship system in August 2019.[13] Other cultural developments under his reign include the first Saudi public concerts by a female singer, the first Saudi sports stadium to admit women,[14] an increased presence of women in the workforce,[15] and opening the country to international tourists by introducing an e-visa system which can now easily be issued for foreigners from the Internet to attend events and festivals.[16] His Vision 2030 program aims to diversify the Saudi economy through investment in non-oil sectors including technology and tourism. In 2016, he announced plans to list the shares of the state oil company Saudi Aramco.[17]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_bin_Salman
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Unlucky Luque on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:32:21 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine
Fair enough :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:32:26 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: NobbyOhNobby on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:39:53 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

If we are talking Human rights abuse, Guantanamo Bay anyone?  I assume none of the Saudi objectors holiday in the good old US of A?
The whole of the USA aren't responsible for that though, are they.

I think the point you - and a lot of people on here - are missing, is that this isn't just a bloke from Saudi Arabia. This is the bloke who runs Saudi Arabia. This is the bloke who orders the airstrikes on hospitals in Yemen, who orders the murder of journalists, who has still not pardoned those women who are imprisoned for campaigning to be able to drive cars, who will be directly using us in a way to say "hey world, Saudi Arabia is great! Just look at our new tool of Saudi propaganda - Newcastle United!" We'll be going from advertising s*** sportswear, to advertising a horrendous, murderous regime.

Obviously I want Ashley gone. I hate him and hate what he's done to the club. But it feels like we'd be lurching from one extreme to the other. Except we'd be going from extreme b******, to extreme murdering, torturing b******
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:41:19 AM
I'm incredibly conflicted. I've protested plenty of times over the years and am currently in exile from the club, I don't think I've been to a match in 5 years. I f***ing hate Mike Ashley and what he's done to our club, but these c***s are something even worse.

It's hard because you can want your club back desperately to the point of taking anyone (even a barbaric regime) but still hate the people who are going to save your club. Is it too much to ask to just have a club that competes as a sporting institution? I don't want my club to be a placeholder for Sports Direct advertising, but I also don't want this wonderful club to be some grotesque geopolitical plaything for the number 1 w*****s in the middle-east.

All this is before even thinking about whether you actually want to be another Man City? No one respects them, their achievements and history besmirched by billions of pounds unfairly gained... or you want to be Leicester? Who everyone loves and undoubtedly have a better experience as fans.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:42:12 AM
Lads it's utter bollocks. I've not seen this many arguments over a fairytale since the Christianity thread was popular.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Hhtoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:42:31 AM
We trade with them in both imports and exports so our economy certainly benefits from our relationship with them. Seems odd to me to use their funding of a football club as a line in the sand, but respect the fact that this is probably a more direct line in to our own personal situations, rather than the funds/goods we receive being filtered down.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:42:58 AM
Lads it's utter bollocks. I've not seen this many arguments over a fairytale since the Christianity thread was popular.

:lol:

Sure, just talking about the principle.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:44:51 AM
Then on the other hand, do I believe that 'sportswashing' as it has become known, is actually a powerful propaganda tool? If I think it is fairly benign as part of this regime, then maybe I'm not so worried about the real world consequences of this? I'll still hate to be associated with hospital bombers, like.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:46:25 AM
Then on the other hand, do I believe that 'sportswashing' as it has become known, is actually a powerful propaganda tool? If I think it is fairly benign as part of this regime, then maybe I'm not so worried about the real world consequences of this? I'll still hate to be associated with hospital bombers, like.

I guess it makes people look good at their members clubs and in the corridors of power, not sure it affects general public perception that much.

I mean, we had a self-made British billionaire already, who's pretty much the perfect owner on paper. If you didn't know who he was.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:52:23 AM
Then on the other hand, do I believe that 'sportswashing' as it has become known, is actually a powerful propaganda tool? If I think it is fairly benign as part of this regime, then maybe I'm not so worried about the real world consequences of this? I'll still hate to be associated with hospital bombers, like.
well the main two examples are PSG/World Cup with Qatar which has had a fair bit of attention and negative media and Man City with United Arab Emirates which I see far less spotlight on that countrys failings. Honestly though most of the complaints are from the likes of Bayern, Barca, Real etc complaining its not fair that someone has a money advantage over them rather than human rights etc so maybe its working?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: George Bailey on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:53:33 AM
Lads it's utter bollocks. I've not seen this many arguments over a fairytale since the Christianity thread was popular.
Well said Wullie.

It ain't happening so all the moralising, debating, discussing is moot. The seller has zero intention of selling, end of.
May well be lots of interest (some even genuine) but if one party don't want to engage then it is all moot.

I'm very keen on Scarlett Johansson being the third wife to take the plunge with me, but not so sure the other party is so keen.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:59:28 AM
It’s massively hypocritical of me given my political leanings, but I’d prob turn a blind eye to it. I try to take a good moral standpoint in life and it’s tiring a lot of the time, football is one of the only enjoyable things to me in life, and when I’ve felt s*** it’s been a constant, I don’t think I could deny myself the enjoyment. Which is ultimately selfish but as a great mind once said “it is what it is”
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:04:03 AM
I'm looking at it this way; the Saudis have wealth the level of which is going to be needed to get rid of Ashley. They could buy us and then get bored, have a change of direction in their planning or whatever, but that being the case sale attempts would be genuine and they'd treat the club as a legitimate concern.

Ashley has to go and the two options seem to be someone rich meets the price or we freefall down the divisions hoping he calls it a day.

First option looks the best to me.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:08:55 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:12:29 AM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: NobbyOhNobby on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:12:40 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?
I'd just been thinking "I haven't blocked anyone with f***ing stupid opinions" for a while. Then here you come. My knight in shining armour
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:13:11 AM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:13:44 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?
I'd just been thinking "I haven't blocked anyone with f***ing stupid opinions" for a while. Then here you come. My knight in shining armour
a stupid opinion is thinking we have a say on who takes us over. this false outrage will soon melt away if they turn us into a massively successful team
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:13:53 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:15:04 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:19:15 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.

Because you’re coming across as one of those frothing at the mouth Brexit anti immigrant t***s who are all over social media.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Si on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:20:05 AM


f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"    I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge.

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.

"at any cost" f*** you're dumb.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:21:22 AM
Any chance of a poll?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:22:13 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.

Because you’re coming across as one of those frothing at the mouth Brexit anti immigrant t***s who are all over social media.

well pleased I can clarify the situation for you then.

i am not going to the Champions League final because we are owned by Saudis is weapons grade horseshit
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:25:54 AM
I'm guessing boo boy wasnt being entirely serious re Pol Pot etc and theres plenty on the takeover thread whod be quite happy with MBS.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:30:47 AM
I'm guessing boo boy wasnt being entirely serious re Pol Pot etc and theres plenty on the takeover thread whod be quite happy with MBS.

'Khashoggi deserved it' will be the shirt sponsor and that will be fine by all nufc fans. success is everything.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:31:33 AM
I'm guessing boo boy wasnt being entirely serious re Pol Pot etc and theres plenty on the takeover thread whod be quite happy with MBS.

'Khashoggi deserved it' will be the shirt sponsor and that will be fine by all nufc fans. success is everything.
Not by all.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ikon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:32:40 AM
It won't happen anyway.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:33:38 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:35:55 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ElDiablo on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:36:28 AM
I'm looking at it this way; the Saudis have wealth the level of which is going to be needed to get rid of Ashley. They could buy us and then get bored, have a change of direction in their planning or whatever, but that being the case sale attempts would be genuine and they'd treat the club as a legitimate concern.

Ashley has to go and the two options seem to be someone rich meets the price or we freefall down the divisions hoping he calls it a day.

First option looks the best to me.

Pretty much. Let's see if it actually happens first, though.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:38:54 AM
I'm guessing boo boy wasnt being entirely serious re Pol Pot etc and theres plenty on the takeover thread whod be quite happy with MBS.

It was his ridiculous petrol post that was the stupidest.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Anderson on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:39:41 AM
I, for one, welcome our new Saudi overlords.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:39:51 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:40:11 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.

Because you’re coming across as one of those frothing at the mouth Brexit anti immigrant t***s who are all over social media.

well pleased I can clarify the situation for you then.

i am not going to the Champions League final because we are owned by Saudis is weapons grade horseshit

You are one of those t***s, f***s sake man have a look at yourself :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:40:50 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.
Wrong.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:42:17 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:42:57 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.

Because you’re coming across as one of those frothing at the mouth Brexit anti immigrant t***s who are all over social media.

well pleased I can clarify the situation for you then.

i am not going to the Champions League final because we are owned by Saudis is weapons grade horseshit

You are one of those t***s, f***s sake man have a look at yourself :lol:
not saying I am not. my point is valid though. people will forget very quickly where the money is coming from if we become successful. that is the uncomfortable truth this forum is refusing to face.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: nufcjb on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:43:53 AM
Hate Ashley. Want him out. Gone. A.S.A.P. If new owners are Saudis, yes I'm uneasy but who gives a f***. So many atrocities happen in the world that I don't dwell about and I don't want to start dwelling now just because Saudis might own my club.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:44:01 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.

interesting theory. so how are they going to get back in when their seats now belong to someone else?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:44:15 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

f*** me
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:45:23 AM
Hate Ashley. Want him out. Gone. A.S.A.P. If new owners are Saudis, yes I'm uneasy but who gives a f***. So many atrocities happen in the world that I don't dwell about and I don't want to start dwelling now just because Saudis might own my club.

everyone does in the real world.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:45:42 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

f*** me

Sauna 52 12.30pm?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:47:38 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.

Because you’re coming across as one of those frothing at the mouth Brexit anti immigrant t***s who are all over social media.

well pleased I can clarify the situation for you then.

i am not going to the Champions League final because we are owned by Saudis is weapons grade horseshit

You are one of those t***s, f***s sake man have a look at yourself :lol:
not saying I am not. my point is valid though. people will forget very quickly where the money is coming from if we become successful. that is the uncomfortable truth this forum is refusing to face.

Oh I’m sure there’ll be a few people like that. As others have mentioned, society today is like that.

That doesn’t make it a valid point though. It’s more of an indictment on society

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:49:21 AM
This thread. :anguish:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:49:42 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.

interesting theory. so how are they going to get back in when their seats now belong to someone else?

Presumably you don’t want Ashley gone as you’re still actively supporting him? So logically those that did the most to remove him, deserve the success that might come from a diff owner? Or should you be rewarded because you trekked 20 mins on a metro into town and went to the match?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:49:49 AM
This thread. :anguish:

What's the problem?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Odear on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:53:22 AM
It’s just double standards by certain elements of the media. If it was Arsenal or Man Utd there would be little said.

The faux outrage would be short lived in any case. Once a decent manager came in and we were signing players, the sporting element would win over. Sportswashing, sure.

There’s no cost. We’ve paid our penance and then some over the last 12/13 years.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:56:37 AM
There’s been loads written about man city
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:56:55 AM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.
"nowt"  :lol: :lol:  I'm terribly curious where you draw the line if Saudi Arabia's gross disregard for human rights is "nowt"
I draw the line in having mackems in charge. :lol:

a consortium of pol pot,idie armin,pinochet & bobby sands is fine

You're f***ing disgusting.

 :weep: big tears for Jm.

pulls yourself together.

every owner has a degree of dodginess. where are you drawing the line? are you expecting to be taken over by monks and nuns?

You voted Brexit didn’t you?
no I didn't. biggest act of self harm in our lifetime. what that's got to do with wanting NUFC to be successful at any cost I don't know. some people literally are never happy.

Because you’re coming across as one of those frothing at the mouth Brexit anti immigrant t***s who are all over social media.

well pleased I can clarify the situation for you then.

i am not going to the Champions League final because we are owned by Saudis is weapons grade horseshit

You are one of those t***s, f***s sake man have a look at yourself :lol:
not saying I am not. my point is valid though. people will forget very quickly where the money is coming from if we become successful. that is the uncomfortable truth this forum is refusing to face.

Oh I’m sure there’ll be a few people like that. As others have mentioned, society today is like that.

That doesn’t make it a valid point though. It’s more of an indictment on society



we are agreeing there mind.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:58:50 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.

interesting theory. so how are they going to get back in when their seats now belong to someone else?

Presumably you don’t want Ashley gone as you’re still actively supporting him? So logically those that did the most to remove him, deserve the success that might come from a diff owner? Or should you be rewarded because you trekked 20 mins on a metro into town and went to the match?
supported worse regimes than Ashley since 1981. support the club through thick and thin should always be the mantra. the boycotters should be banned for life for turning their back on the club rather than turning up when it gets good again.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:00:50 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.

interesting theory. so how are they going to get back in when their seats now belong to someone else?

Presumably you don’t want Ashley gone as you’re still actively supporting him? So logically those that did the most to remove him, deserve the success that might come from a diff owner? Or should you be rewarded because you trekked 20 mins on a metro into town and went to the match?
supported worse regimes than Ashley since 1981. support the club through thick and thin should always be the mantra. the boycotters should be banned for life for turning their back on the club rather than turning up when it gets good again.

:lol: so? Should wolves fans be banned for getting rid of their owner? I’d ban the blokes who love giving Ashley their money to dick our city all over the shop. You paint it like it’s some hardship to travel to a city centre stadium and watch a match for 90mins. It’s much harder to stay away. What have you done to facilitate Ashley leaving? Sat on your arse at the match?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:02:37 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.

interesting theory. so how are they going to get back in when their seats now belong to someone else?

Presumably you don’t want Ashley gone as you’re still actively supporting him? So logically those that did the most to remove him, deserve the success that might come from a diff owner? Or should you be rewarded because you trekked 20 mins on a metro into town and went to the match?
supported worse regimes than Ashley since 1981. support the club through thick and thin should always be the mantra. the boycotters should be banned for life for turning their back on the club rather than turning up when it gets good again.

:lol: so? Should wolves fans be banned for getting rid of their owner? I’d ban the blokes who love giving Ashley their money to dick our city all over the shop. You paint it like it’s some hardship to travel to a city centre stadium and watch a match for 90mins. It’s much harder to stay away. What have you done to facilitate Ashley leaving? Sat on your arse at the match?
bought loads of merchandise at Sports Direct then shouted at shops. bought loads of pints and food at the ground then shouted at the owner. like everyone else basically
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Rafalove on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:04:38 AM
Hugely conflicted. I’m an active prisoner in many respects, when it comes to NUFC. I can stop going to matches, I can stop buying merchandise, but to completely divorce myself from the club would be too difficult. Ive tried over the last five years to not give a f***, but just can’t do it. I miss going to games, spending time with friends and the buzz of the whole day. I miss being fully involved with the whole club. I don’t think I can really be assed trying to fight off another regime, especially if we’re going to be good.

At the same time I don’t know if I could be fully behind the club in the way I would be when Freddy Shepard owned the club. Any success that came would feel relatively hollow compared to the success we might have had under more benign ownership. It also means whatever happens NUFC would forever be tarnished as the club that contributed to the sportswashing of war crimes. The other question is aren’t these responsible for wahabi-ism the most evil interpretation of the Islamic doctrine? Don’t they fund Mosques that teach that stuff? Aren’t they the mosques that are responsible for terrorism and grooming gangs? Some of which have been found to be operating in Newcastle.

Now, what about the game itself? We’d simply be contributing to the ruin of the game we love. Success wouldn’t be earned, we won’t have struggled for it, it would have just been handed to us on a silver platter. Ideally someone local would buy the club and give it back to the fans to become a democratic institution, but that for many reasons just isn’t going to happen. We need the 50+1 rule ASAP. Governments and ruling bodies need to do something about this.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:05:35 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.

interesting theory. so how are they going to get back in when their seats now belong to someone else?

Presumably you don’t want Ashley gone as you’re still actively supporting him? So logically those that did the most to remove him, deserve the success that might come from a diff owner? Or should you be rewarded because you trekked 20 mins on a metro into town and went to the match?
supported worse regimes than Ashley since 1981. support the club through thick and thin should always be the mantra. the boycotters should be banned for life for turning their back on the club rather than turning up when it gets good again.
Worse regimes in what way ? I can put up with an owner not running the club as I see fit, McKeag etc but I'd say hes of a differing level human to Ashley and then again to MBS.

and I'm still a season ticket holder at least till the 10yr deal runs out.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:06:35 AM
Hugely conflicted. I’m an active prisoner in many respects, when it comes to NUFC. I can stop going to matches, I can stop buying merchandise, but to completely divorce myself from the club would be too difficult. Ive tried over the last five years to not give a f***, but just can’t do it. I miss going to games, spending time with friends and the buzz of the whole day. I miss being fully involved with the whole club. I don’t think I can really be assed trying to fight off another regime, especially if we’re going to be good.

At the same time I don’t know if I could be fully behind the club in the way I would be when Freddy Shepard owned the club. Any success that came would feel relatively hollow compared to the success we might have had under more benign ownership. It also means whatever happens NUFC would forever be tarnished as the club that contributed to the sportswashing of war crimes. The other question is aren’t these responsible for wahabi-ism the most evil interpretation of the Islamic doctrine? Don’t they fund Mosques that teach that stuff? Aren’t they the mosques that are responsible for terrorism and grooming gangs? Some of which have been found to be operating in Newcastle.

Now, what about the game itself? We’d simply be contributing to the ruin of the game we love. Success wouldn’t be earned, we won’t have struggled for it, it would have just been handed to us on a silver platter. Ideally someone local would buy the club and give it back to the fans to become a democratic institution, but that for many reasons just isn’t going to happen. We need the 50+1 rule ASAP. Governments and ruling bodies need to do something about this.
Well put, very much where I am.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:15:15 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:15:29 AM
Our whole club will basically be Saudi Arabia United just based in Newcastle. They aren't buying us because they love football, they'd be buying us to use us as a marketing tool for Saudi Arabia to become acceptable in the eyes of the West. Anything we would win would be a victory for Saudi Arabia and their regime, same with Man City/PSG and their owners. Its a no for me
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:16:43 AM
we have had terrible owners do terrible things to us as fans:
platinum club
bond schemes
forcing keegan out the first time by turning it into a plc
mechandise made in sweat shops in china
renting warehouses in gibralter that stay empty for cash reasons
massive dividends being trousered by Fat Fred and Halls

that is before we get on to the Ashley era.

then (assuming we do) get taken over by someone who is going to put money in and run the club properly to try and compete and that is when people on here are protesting.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:17:48 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

Boycotters have far more say than those that are giving Ashley money.

interesting theory. so how are they going to get back in when their seats now belong to someone else?

Presumably you don’t want Ashley gone as you’re still actively supporting him? So logically those that did the most to remove him, deserve the success that might come from a diff owner? Or should you be rewarded because you trekked 20 mins on a metro into town and went to the match?
supported worse regimes than Ashley since 1981. support the club through thick and thin should always be the mantra. the boycotters should be banned for life for turning their back on the club rather than turning up when it gets good again.
Worse regimes in what way ? I can put up with an owner not running the club as I see fit, McKeag etc but I'd say hes of a differing level human to Ashley and then again to MBS.

and I'm still a season ticket holder at least till the 10yr deal runs out.

Nah McKeag was far worse than MBS. Have some perspective!
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:18:19 AM
we have had terrible owners do terrible things to us as fans:
platinum club
bond schemes
forcing keegan out the first time by turning it into a plc
mechandise made in sweat shops in china
renting warehouses in gibralter that stay empty for cash reasons
massive dividends being trousered by Fat Fred and Halls

that is before we get on to the Ashley era.

then (assuming we do) get taken over by someone who is going to put money in and run the club properly to try and compete and that is when people on here are protesting.

It's a very Tory outlook from a forum full of lefties. I'm alright so f*** everybody else
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:19:04 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:19:40 AM
we have had terrible owners do terrible things to us as fans:
platinum club
bond schemes
forcing keegan out the first time by turning it into a plc
mechandise made in sweat shops in china
renting warehouses in gibralter that stay empty for cash reasons
massive dividends being trousered by Fat Fred and Halls

that is before we get on to the Ashley era.

then (assuming we do) get taken over by someone who is going to put money in and run the club properly to try and compete and that is when people on here are protesting.
"terrible things".....those arent terrible things.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:19:58 AM
where the money comes from isn't our concern.

Why not?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:20:11 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.
It obviously is or this thread wouldn't exist.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:20:41 AM
we have had terrible owners do terrible things to us as fans:
platinum club
bond schemes
forcing keegan out the first time by turning it into a plc
mechandise made in sweat shops in china
renting warehouses in gibralter that stay empty for cash reasons
massive dividends being trousered by Fat Fred and Halls

that is before we get on to the Ashley era.

then (assuming we do) get taken over by someone who is going to put money in and run the club properly to try and compete and that is when people on here are protesting.

It’s not just about the fans you utter gimp, it’s about people, societies.

Didn’t see Shepherd ordering someone to be torn apart while alive??
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:21:06 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.
It obviously is or this thread wouldn't exist.

if anyone is really that 'conflicted' then they shouldn't go. that is their right. but to pontificate and say other shouldn't go is wrong
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:21:36 AM
we have had terrible owners do terrible things to us as fans:
platinum club
bond schemes
forcing keegan out the first time by turning it into a plc
mechandise made in sweat shops in china
renting warehouses in gibralter that stay empty for cash reasons
massive dividends being trousered by Fat Fred and Halls

that is before we get on to the Ashley era.

then (assuming we do) get taken over by someone who is going to put money in and run the club properly to try and compete and that is when people on here are protesting.

It’s not just about the fans you utter gimp, it’s about people, societies.

Didn’t see Shepherd ordering someone to be torn apart while alive??

I agree Fat Fred was far worse
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:23:13 AM
where the money comes from isn't our concern.

Why not?
why? most football clubs money comes from dubious sources. China, USA, Qatar etc but no Saudis ae the only bad guys and nufc fans should stand against it in a lone crusade.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:25:49 AM
USA as a dubious source. :mackems:


Now I don't agree with most US government actions, but their wealth as a country is not dubious.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Rafalove on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:26:03 AM
To add yo what I’ve already said, I hope we as fans don’t go in to denial the way Man City fans have, and try and pretend all that bad stuff isn’t happening. Hate when they do that.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: B-more Mag on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:26:45 AM
Hold on. There's a club owned by a U.S. government controlled investment fund? Who is it? I've got to get a shirt.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:32:00 AM
we have had terrible owners do terrible things to us as fans:
platinum club
bond schemes
forcing keegan out the first time by turning it into a plc
mechandise made in sweat shops in china
renting warehouses in gibralter that stay empty for cash reasons
massive dividends being trousered by Fat Fred and Halls

that is before we get on to the Ashley era.

then (assuming we do) get taken over by someone who is going to put money in and run the club properly to try and compete and that is when people on here are protesting.

:memelol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:34:56 AM
Aye right, no protesting of past and current ownership on here whatsoever.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: toon25 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:45:11 AM
Any cost whatsoever. So long as it gets rid of this fat c***.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:47:14 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:53:47 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?
no I would love fan ownership and Mr Sandman dancing over the moon.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:57:22 AM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?
no I would love fan ownership and Mr Sandman dancing over the moon.


You’re a child.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:10:06 PM
We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.
No, it's because its MY football club.
no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

:lol: f*** off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?
no I would love fan ownership and Mr Sandman dancing over the moon.

:lol: Fine, it's obviously too difficult for you to confront your own hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:19:38 PM
f*** them and f*** any involvement in our club. We've got a c*** destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

It's bad now but at what price success lads f***ing hell.



https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events



f***ing great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

I only buy Venezualan oil.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:23:13 PM
Cans
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: triggs on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:24:34 PM
When I buy petrol I don't put a big Saudi Arabia flag on my car. The money isn't the issue IMO. It's that we would basically be a marketing and propaganda tool for the Saudis
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: gdm on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:25:54 PM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:28:16 PM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

Same would apply to Ashley too?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Klaus on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:28:51 PM
Anybody who attends a match, might as well have chopped off the heads themselves imo.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:33:17 PM
People can say they're fine with this because we all know that the real test will never occur. Right now their actions have nothing to do with the club, so why should any supporter stop supporting just because the new owners have done bad things in the past? But if the time comes [it won't] when they are tried for their crimes against humanity,  this thread should be very interesting.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:35:05 PM
USA as a dubious source. :mackems:


Now I don't agree with most US government actions, but their wealth as a country is not dubious.

It f***ing is.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:36:04 PM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

Never said they should be expected to. Merely that it’s a choice, unlike petrol. It’s up to you if you want to support it. You need petrol to live your life
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: ManDoon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:36:22 PM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

Same would apply to Ashley too?

Also this
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:36:25 PM
Some real Drama Queens here :lol: i'm confident that this takeover won't go through but should it happen i will be absolutely delighted with it, these guys have big plans and being part of it will be massive to the club and the city.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: gdm on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:40:19 PM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

Same would apply to Ashley too?

It does yes. That’s why I’ve not walked away completely. Yes I’ve not been to a game since Chelsea last season and I don’t feel anywhere close to how I used to when we win but I’ll still want them to win

Also my contention with Ashley and why I don’t go is there’s is clear evidence he does not want the club to be competitive so it would be a complete waste of my money.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Kimbo on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:41:16 PM
Some real Drama Queens here :lol: i'm confident that this takeover won't go through but should it happen i will be absolutely delighted with it, these guys have big plans and being part of it will be massive to the club and the city.

The last part of that is what makes me conflicted, what would having a successful club do for the city economically? If it was just about football I would probably turn my nose up at it, my interest in football has been reduced to the point that I can't feel as emotional about it as some though. Plus it's not actually going to happen.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:42:10 PM
Anybody who attends a match, might as well have chopped off the heads themselves imo.

this wins the thread.

makes my wind up posts look miniscule in comparison.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Darth Crooks on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:44:24 PM
Drama queens. Really? State sanctioned murder. I’d hardly say people being relatably conflicted are being melodramatic.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Wolfcastle on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:45:17 PM
Surely the elephant in the room is a) what takeover and b) what success?
Spend my NUFC related time worrying we'll never get rid of Ashley and now I'm supposed to worry that we might?!?! Stuff that for a game of soldiers.
The moral quandry can wait until there is one to be had.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Jimburst on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:48:03 PM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

I'm not saying anyone should walk, I'm just saying I hate that our only option to get out of this hell is something potentially even worse.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:54:26 PM
I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

Never said they should be expected to. Merely that it’s a choice, unlike petrol. It’s up to you if you want to support it. You need petrol to live your life

Got nee legs or bikes in your world?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:56:02 PM
Who made the bikes, or the bike parts? Were my walking shoes made by child slaves?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: gdm on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:56:03 PM
I’m honestly conflicted I don’t want to feel guilty about my football club.

It’d certainly be interesting how many people’s principles hold up if we ever challenge for the league or reach the fa cup final. Personally I don’t think i’d take much persuasion to get on board.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 12:59:14 PM
Who made the bikes, or the bike parts? Were my walking shoes made by child slaves?

Exactly the point.  Everyone tolerates s*** things happening to other people to a degree just to get on with their life.  Everyone has a line, for some this is over the line, for others maybe not.  I'm not going to cast aspersions either way, i'm ok with it myself.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Andy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:00:26 PM
I can safely say I'd become absolutely morally bankrupt if I thought we had a shot at winning things like :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:04:48 PM
I might be able to go to the odd game again, but I doubt I'll ever feel the same. It's not this situation specifically really, it's just the PL becoming a competition for who has the best billionaire, rather than a sport. 

We are quite lucky in that sense, that we are still a big enough draw to get interest from the likes of Saudi. 90% of the clubs in England won't even get a second glance.

But I suppose we can always continue to piddle about with Ashley, or one of his penniless partner investors like Kenyon so he can continue marketing Sports Direct.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:05:28 PM
I’d enjoy success on a surface level but I’d always be thinking about the badness. Same as I feel about how good Man City are now.

The overall problem is with football as a whole.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:09:56 PM
I’d enjoy success on a surface level but I’d always be thinking about the badness. Same as I feel about how good Man City are now.

The overall problem is with football as a whole.

Yet we still watch it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Boo Boy on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:12:20 PM
We behead who we want,
We behead who we want.
We're Newcastle.
We behead who we want.

will be the new club anthemn
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:13:05 PM
Like I said before, the main way I enjoy football now is as a one-off spectacle. Man City v Liverpool, enjoy what happens on the pitch, try to forget about the narrative and the futility of the bigger picture.

I mainly enjoy football as an exhibition of skill now.

Losing my club has helped move me in this direction, obviously.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:16:04 PM
We behead who we want,
We behead who we want.
We're Newcastle.
We behead who we want.

will be the new club anthemn

:lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:21:40 PM
I mentioned this in the other thread yesterday, but I don't feel like I can take a definitive view on this until I understand precisely how complicit NUFC would be in any Saudi-led atrocities in their region. If it's genuinely possible to support a well-run football club whilst reviling a barbaric regime - independently from one another (having my cake and eating it, in other words) - happy days. However, if those two positions are fundamental connected and immovable from one another... well, I'd just have to think of another excuse for my sheer elation at the change.

Dunno how many more of these legitimate-sounding developments I can take. Kinda cursing myself for getting sucked in but this past couple of days have been the most optimistic of the season for me.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ankles Bennett on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:21:51 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:29:17 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

I just want us to compete from the advantageous position that our support should accommodate. I've seen us compete at the top of the league, in cup finals, and in European semis. If we have to turn a blind eye to the murder of millions to take the next step, I think I can find it easy to compromise. **

The club is essentially dead to me whilst Ashley is here, and a few gallons of Arabian blood will not resurrect it.

** just realised how that sounds ambiguous. Success is not just winning things. We are always at a disadvantage to other clubs, simply because of location (stupid as that is), and will probably never win anything. But once upon a time I could visit any corner of the globe and be proud to be a Geordie. Never been a fan of football tops, but when people asked where you are from, they would always smile and a conversation would ensue.

The existence of this thread, divisive amongst our own loyal followers, demonstrates that will no longer apply. I don't want to be world renowned for winning anything if it means I'm world renowned for enabling crimes against humanity. Nobody needs to be held personally accountable for anything.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Shearergol on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:31:57 PM
I'm not even that bothered about success. I just want to see Ashley crash and burn now.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:37:25 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:38:21 PM
I'm not even that bothered about success. I just want to see Ashley crash and burn now.

Aye, and f*** Ashley as well the spiteful c***.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:40:40 PM
Like I said before, the main way I enjoy football now is as a one-off spectacle. Man City v Liverpool, enjoy what happens on the pitch, try to forget about the narrative and the futility of the bigger picture.

I mainly enjoy football as an exhibition of skill now.

Losing my club has helped move me in this direction, obviously.

Really?  You've never mentioned it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:43:39 PM
Like I said before, the main way I enjoy football now is as a one-off spectacle. Man City v Liverpool, enjoy what happens on the pitch, try to forget about the narrative and the futility of the bigger picture.

I mainly enjoy football as an exhibition of skill now.

Losing my club has helped move me in this direction, obviously.

Really?  You've never mentioned it.

Huh? I said ‘like I said before’.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Tomato Deuce on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:45:06 PM
Some weapons-grade disingenuousness on display here.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: loki679 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:45:46 PM
Like I said before, the main way I enjoy football now is as a one-off spectacle. Man City v Liverpool, enjoy what happens on the pitch, try to forget about the narrative and the futility of the bigger picture.

I mainly enjoy football as an exhibition of skill now.

Losing my club has helped move me in this direction, obviously.

Really?  You've never mentioned it.

Huh? I said ‘like I said before’.

Aye but you're turning into one of those posters who's so not bothered and doesn't care he has to tell everybody constantly that he's not bothered and doesn't care.  Same post over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:46:17 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

Pride is a funny thing. We'll join the band of clubs that are destroying the game, I wouldn't be proud of that.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:46:40 PM
Like I said before, the main way I enjoy football now is as a one-off spectacle. Man City v Liverpool, enjoy what happens on the pitch, try to forget about the narrative and the futility of the bigger picture.

I mainly enjoy football as an exhibition of skill now.

Losing my club has helped move me in this direction, obviously.

Really?  You've never mentioned it.

Huh? I said ‘like I said before’.

Aye but you're turning into one of those posters who's so not bothered and doesn't care he has to tell everybody constantly that he's not bothered and doesn't care.  Same post over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.

I can only apologise.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:47:46 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

Pride is a funny thing. We'll join the band of clubs that are destroying the game, I wouldn't be proud of that.

We can either be on the inside or on the outside. I suppose if I was going to take a purely moral stance I wouldn't watch football at all.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:49:33 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

Pride is a funny thing. We'll join the band of clubs that are destroying the game, I wouldn't be proud of that.

We can either be on the inside or on the outside. I suppose if I was going to take a purely moral stance I wouldn't watch football at all.

I rarely do.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:51:04 PM
I'm not even that bothered about success . I just want to see Ashley crash and burn now.

When the possibility of redemption and recovery is off the table, as it has felt the season, I want us to get relegated for that reason. I want to feel vindicated in having turned my back on the club and for the enablers to suffer. It's so unhealthy. :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:54:38 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

Pride is a funny thing. We'll join the band of clubs that are destroying the game, I wouldn't be proud of that.

We can either be on the inside or on the outside. I suppose if I was going to take a purely moral stance I wouldn't watch football at all.

I rarely do.

Fair play, but I do and I want us to be up there again. We deserve to win something as much as anyone.

By the same token, anyone who wants to walk away, I think you have to do what you feel is right.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:56:10 PM
If it goes ahead with the Saudi’s then f*** what everyone thinks.
They are allegedly promising investment in the area as well as the football club. I’m sorry to say it, but the city needs it, the region needs it, and with Brexit just days away, we are going to need it more.
It’s alright for people in London etc to sit there and say ‘That is blood money’, but where the f*** else are we going to get investment from? Our government has f***ed us for generations.
On the NUFC matter. If that money went to any other club, I’m sure most fans would be happy if it lead to an improvement, or even success. Man City, PSG, and Chelsea fans were/are happy to lap up their investment and success from money that hasn’t exactly been clean.
We win a cup, you bet I’ll be celebrating. I’ve seen this club go through some tough times, this club has had me crying myself to sleep as a youngster, and their hasn’t been much of an improvement since. If we got success, I’m celebrating, no matter how it comes.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:57:34 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

Pride is a funny thing. We'll join the band of clubs that are destroying the game, I wouldn't be proud of that.

We can either be on the inside or on the outside. I suppose if I was going to take a purely moral stance I wouldn't watch football at all.

I rarely do.

Fair play, but I do and I want us to be up there again. We deserve to win something as much as anyone.

By the same token, anyone who wants to walk away, I think you have to do what you feel is right.

We don't deserve to win anything. We deserve to compete. If we just outbid the opposition we're not winning at football.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: samptime29 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:57:43 PM
It's a complex and tricky situation. No easy answers unfortunately.  :sad:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 01:59:02 PM
If it goes ahead with the Saudi’s then f*** what everyone thinks.
They are allegedly promising investment in the area as well as the football club. I’m sorry to say it, but the city needs it, the region needs it, and with Brexit just days away, we are going to need it more.
It’s alright for people in London etc to sit there and say ‘That is blood money’, but where the f*** else are we going to get investment from? Our government has f***ed us for generations.
On the NUFC matter. If that money went to any other club, I’m sure most fans would be happy if it lead to an improvement, or even success. Man City, PSG, and Chelsea fans were/are happy to lap up their investment and success from money that hasn’t exactly been clean.
We win a cup, you bet I’ll be celebrating. I’ve seen this club go through some tough times, this club has had me crying myself to sleep as a youngster, and their hasn’t been much of an improvement since. If we got success, I’m celebrating, no matter how it comes.

I'd rather be a Geordie in the 90s than a PSG fan today.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:01:10 PM
If it goes ahead with the Saudi’s then f*** what everyone thinks.
They are allegedly promising investment in the area as well as the football club. I’m sorry to say it, but the city needs it, the region needs it, and with Brexit just days away, we are going to need it more.
It’s alright for people in London etc to sit there and say ‘That is blood money’, but where the f*** else are we going to get investment from? Our government has f***ed us for generations.
On the NUFC matter. If that money went to any other club, I’m sure most fans would be happy if it lead to an improvement, or even success. Man City, PSG, and Chelsea fans were/are happy to lap up their investment and success from money that hasn’t exactly been clean.
We win a cup, you bet I’ll be celebrating. I’ve seen this club go through some tough times, this club has had me crying myself to sleep as a youngster, and their hasn’t been much of an improvement since. If we got success, I’m celebrating, no matter how it comes.

I'd rather be a Geordie in the 90s than a PSG fan today.
That’s up to you.
All I’m saying is, in terms of both the city and the football club, we have been begging for money for years. It might finally be about to come, and deservedly so, I don’t think anyone can say that we can afford to turn it down.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:08:36 PM
If it goes ahead with the Saudi’s then f*** what everyone thinks.
They are allegedly promising investment in the area as well as the football club. I’m sorry to say it, but the city needs it, the region needs it, and with Brexit just days away, we are going to need it more.
It’s alright for people in London etc to sit there and say ‘That is blood money’, but where the f*** else are we going to get investment from? Our government has f***ed us for generations.
On the NUFC matter. If that money went to any other club, I’m sure most fans would be happy if it lead to an improvement, or even success. Man City, PSG, and Chelsea fans were/are happy to lap up their investment and success from money that hasn’t exactly been clean.
We win a cup, you bet I’ll be celebrating. I’ve seen this club go through some tough times, this club has had me crying myself to sleep as a youngster, and their hasn’t been much of an improvement since. If we got success, I’m celebrating, no matter how it comes.

I'd rather be a Geordie in the 90s than a PSG fan today.
That’s up to you.
All I’m saying is, in terms of both the city and the football club, we have been begging for money for years. It might finally be about to come, and deservedly so, I don’t think anyone can say that we can afford to turn it down.

It's not up to me. It's up to the world. I wasn't proud to be a Geordie because everybody loved us for winning everything. People loved us because we embodied a spirit that was inspirational.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:15:10 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

With the caveat that it's a load of s****, it's not "Saudi investors", it's the state of Saudi Arabia. Quite a big difference.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:16:40 PM
If it goes ahead with the Saudi’s then f*** what everyone thinks.
They are allegedly promising investment in the area as well as the football club. I’m sorry to say it, but the city needs it, the region needs it, and with Brexit just days away, we are going to need it more.
It’s alright for people in London etc to sit there and say ‘That is blood money’, but where the f*** else are we going to get investment from? Our government has f***ed us for generations.
On the NUFC matter. If that money went to any other club, I’m sure most fans would be happy if it lead to an improvement, or even success. Man City, PSG, and Chelsea fans were/are happy to lap up their investment and success from money that hasn’t exactly been clean.
We win a cup, you bet I’ll be celebrating. I’ve seen this club go through some tough times, this club has had me crying myself to sleep as a youngster, and their hasn’t been much of an improvement since. If we got success, I’m celebrating, no matter how it comes.

I'd rather be a Geordie in the 90s than a PSG fan today.
That’s up to you.
All I’m saying is, in terms of both the city and the football club, we have been begging for money for years. It might finally be about to come, and deservedly so, I don’t think anyone can say that we can afford to turn it down.

It's not up to me. It's up to the world. I wasn't proud to be a Geordie because everybody loved us for winning everything. People loved us because we embodied a spirit that was inspirational.

It's not the 90's any more, no one loves us now. We are a miserable club with s*** standards that serves only the owner's interests.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:19:57 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

With the caveat that it's a load of s****, it's not "Saudi investors", it's the state of Saudi Arabia. Quite a big difference.

Maybe the FA or the govt will put a block on it then. That will be the end of it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: jarralad on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:20:08 PM
I'm pretty sure if the only place we could get our oil from was SA not many people would boycott the petrol that comes from it and go without their cars.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:20:42 PM
Been supporting the toon all my life, and the only trophy I have seen us win was the Fairs Cup back in 1969. I know many of you guys didn't even see that.  Personally, I just want us to win the EPL or the FA Cup, or the Champions league/Europa Cup once before I die. If it means being taken over by SA then so be it.  As has been said in earlier posts if it conflicts with your beliefs on human rights then don't go.

I personally wont go on holiday to the USA because of their gun culture and their treatment of ethnic minorities as second class citizens, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my viewpoint on this score on others.

And lets not forget how many people the USA executes each year, usually after keeping them on death row for 30 or 40 years, and only executing them when they are completely reformed.

Well I would never compare the US to Saudi Arabia, but what I will say is that the US inflicts death and devastation across the globe in the name of profit. If we are going to be picky about who owns us, should we write off American investors as well? Even Britain is cosy with the Saudis, we don't have any qualms about doing business with them, so I think I'll be okay with it if they want to build us a fantastic football team which we can finally be proud of again.

With the caveat that it's a load of s****, it's not "Saudi investors", it's the state of Saudi Arabia. Quite a big difference.

Thaaaaat's it, Wullie, come on in. Join us.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Gorilla on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:22:28 PM
Most of our imported oil comes from Norway
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:25:41 PM
I'm not convinced we'd have a club to be proud of, that takes a lot of assumption. We might just end up with the most overpaid stroppy c***s ever assembled.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: sadnesstan on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:26:55 PM
If it goes ahead with the Saudi’s then f*** what everyone thinks.
They are allegedly promising investment in the area as well as the football club. I’m sorry to say it, but the city needs it, the region needs it, and with Brexit just days away, we are going to need it more.
It’s alright for people in London etc to sit there and say ‘That is blood money’, but where the f*** else are we going to get investment from? Our government has f***ed us for generations.
On the NUFC matter. If that money went to any other club, I’m sure most fans would be happy if it lead to an improvement, or even success. Man City, PSG, and Chelsea fans were/are happy to lap up their investment and success from money that hasn’t exactly been clean.
We win a cup, you bet I’ll be celebrating. I’ve seen this club go through some tough times, this club has had me crying myself to sleep as a youngster, and their hasn’t been much of an improvement since. If we got success, I’m celebrating, no matter how it comes.

I'd rather be a Geordie in the 90s than a PSG fan today.
That’s up to you.
All I’m saying is, in terms of both the city and the football club, we have been begging for money for years. It might finally be about to come, and deservedly so, I don’t think anyone can say that we can afford to turn it down.

It's not up to me. It's up to the world. I wasn't proud to be a Geordie because everybody loved us for winning everything. People loved us because we embodied a spirit that was inspirational.

It's not the 90's any more, no one loves us now. We are a miserable club with s*** standards that serves only the owner's interests.

There is a shitload of respect for Leicester.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:30:28 PM
:lol: I enjoy the hypothetical discussion Yorkie.

I'm quite enjoying seeing first hand what Rory Smith has been on about for years with Man City fans and the way they go on as cheerleaders for Abu Dhabi.

Is wanting to feel proud of the club you support and proud of the way it represents your city just a complete anachronism now at the top end of the modern game? I suspect I know the answer. 

Bet Assad wishes he'd bought an English football team years ago, he really genuinely missed a trick.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Segun Oluwaniyi on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:50:28 PM
Owners do not primarily represent the club, that is the position of players, coaches, and supporters. As long as the owners does not go about altering the fundamental identity of NUFC, I am fine with whoever it is. The reality of modern football is that clubs need significant investment to compete and large sums of money tend to have blood on them in one way or the other. That is the nature of it. I think Ashley is a corrupt buffoon, but would have no enmity towards his ownership if the man simply funded the club properly. What he does outside of this is irrelevant imo, and it would not be different if the owners were Saudis. There is no need to identity with them anymore than you identify with Ashley now. 
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thomson Mouse on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 02:59:12 PM
:lol: I enjoy the hypothetical discussion Yorkie.

I'm quite enjoying seeing first hand what Rory Smith has been on about for years with Man City fans and the way they go on as cheerleaders for Abu Dhabi.

Is wanting to feel proud of the club you support and proud of the way it represents your city just a complete anachronism now at the top end of the modern game? I suspect I know the answer. 

Bet Assad wishes he'd bought an English football team years ago, he really genuinely missed a trick.

Don’t always agree with you but that’s it in a nutshell.

People selling their souls to win a trophy that can only be won be billionaire owned clubs.

Football has left us.

Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: B-more Mag on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 03:38:18 PM
Wonga.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Dokko on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 03:39:52 PM
Wonga.

I’m quite sure lives were ruined, if not lost due to the practices of that company.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: B-more Mag on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 03:41:33 PM
Wonga.

I’m quite sure lives were ruined, if not lost due to the practices of that company.

 :thup: No doubt. Many people quite justifiably didn't care for them being the club's shirt sponsor.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 03:45:18 PM
I gave up on the club years ago because of Ashley.  A new owner could convince me to return, but not this one.  He's only interested in the club to improve his profile in the west, and judging by this thread, it'll work.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 03:59:34 PM
I gave up on the club years ago because of Ashley.  A new owner could convince me to return, but not this one.  He's only interested in the club to improve his profile in the west, and judging by this thread, it'll work.

You could look on it as a positive that he is even bothered about improving his profile in the west, and that of his country.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:07:07 PM
Or you could look at it as a way to distract from him chopping up journalists and beheading Shias.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Rompe on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:13:42 PM
Comparing it to buying fuel for your car is daft. It’s not the same at all.

Saudi investment in sport is purely political. They do it to improve their global reputation whilst they continue to commit atrocities and violate basic human rights. It’s pure sportswashing and I can’t support a club that is part of that.

Mike Ashley’s practices might be bad, but they aren’t a scratch on the Saudis. I desperately want rid of him, but not if this is the answer.

I don't get why nobody else sees this. Maybe they don't want to.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:17:32 PM
Wish we could be under owners like Wolves or Leicester rather than Man City, but that's just my preference.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:18:05 PM
Or you could look at it as a way to distract from him chopping up journalists and beheading Shias.
good old bread and circuses
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:20:03 PM
Wish we could be under owners like Wolves or Leicester rather than Man City, but that's just my preference.

They couldn't afford us.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: KaKa on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:21:56 PM
Wish we could be under owners like Wolves or Leicester rather than Man City, but that's just my preference.

They couldn't afford us.

I just like how they're both improving without being as obvious as Man City.

I was referring more to that whole approach.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: 54 on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:24:27 PM
Its a bit of a weird one as if i'm honest i've never really done my research on Saudi Arabia, other then there human rights record are atrocious. Which does make me feel a bit weird and uneasy about the situation, but they'd have likely invested in another club if it wasn't us, so if thats the case then what does it matter if its us or another club, at-least if it is us, we might finally get some sort of success. There is nothing I can do personally about the issues in the country or if they invest in NUFC, I can have my views on them, that being they're despicable, but ultimately I can't do anything about it, so might as well enjoy some long overdue success. Thats where I currently stand anyway.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Rompe on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:25:32 PM
People saying you can't complain because of petrol and plastic is just retarded.

Thought we were gonna be better than Manchester City supporters, but there are people making excuses for the regime and they don't even own us yet!
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Ian W on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:26:24 PM
Thought we were gonna be better than Manchester City supporters

Not sure why you'd think that.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Rompe on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:26:56 PM
Its a bit of a weird one as if i'm honest i've never really done my research on Saudi Arabia, other then there human rights record are atrocious. Which does make me feel a bit weird and uneasy about the situation, but they'd have likely invested in another club if it wasn't us, so if thats the case then what does it matter if its us or another club, at-least if it is us, we might finally get some sort of success. There is nothing I can do personally about the issues in the country or if they invest in NUFC, I can have my views on them, that being they're despicable, but ultimately I can't do anything about it, so might as well enjoy some long overdue success. Thats where I currently stand anyway.

It matters because if they take over another club they won't be using Newcastle United to whitewash their image, they'd be using another club.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:27:58 PM
Or you could look at it as a way to distract from him chopping up journalists and beheading Shias.

I could do, but then I think we are the second biggest exporters of arms to Saudi Arabia as a country anyway, no doubt those jets and fireworks get used to blast the bejeezuz out of Yemen. Ther US is the biggest exporter, and Trump is besties with MBS. The world is a very cynical place, I don't personally feel the need to take responsibility for the guilt when better people than me don't.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 04:32:31 PM
Wish we could be under owners like Wolves or Leicester rather than Man City, but that's just my preference.

They couldn't afford us.

I just like how they're both improving without being as obvious as Man City.

I was referring more to that whole approach.

Well, they are in the middle of a good spell for both clubs, whether they can sustain that ongoing will be interesting. Sometimes things just fall right, there's no guarantees it would have worked here.

Anyway, the main point I was making was that those type of owners will never get a sniff of NUFC because Cashley will only sell for an exorbitant price, and probably with loads of tie ins which your average investor will never agree to.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: BennyBlanco on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:01:41 PM
I've thought hard about this. On the one hand, I can't bare to see the club in the hands of a regime as brutal and backward as that of the Saudis. On the other hand this "sport washing" thing surely works both ways, yes it can bring the Saudis prestige and esteem if it works but doesn't it also put the spotlight on them somewhat as well? They've shown to back down to international pressure in individual cases where execution and maiming has been on the cards so surely them being in the public eye with such a high profile move is a good thing for them moving forward. Just my two penneth.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:03:59 PM
Ayyyyy Benny Blanco! From the Bronx!
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:04:51 PM
Maybe the wrong thread to announce it but I’ll fight anyone who hasn’t seen Carlito’s Way :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: chopey on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:05:52 PM
I think I would be fine with it if they buy the club, let Rafa run the football side of things so it can grow naturally within the boundary's of FFP abd then invest in the stadium and infrastructure, it doesn't need the Man City model of bringing in loads of daft players under Hughes and hoping they fit together.

Lets aim to compete with the likes of AC Milan, Dortmond, Ajax, Athletico Madrid and most of all bring the fans back together under the banner of UNITED rather than have the p*ss taking out of us every year by Ashley and his yes men. 
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:08:54 PM
Or you could look at it as a way to distract from him chopping up journalists and beheading Shias.

Does this really work? ‘Shush man, Newcastle are 2nd in the league’.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Shearergol on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:43:18 PM
I gave up on the club years ago because of Ashley.  A new owner could convince me to return, but not this one.  He's only interested in the club to improve his profile in the west, and judging by this thread, it'll work.

You’re well within you’re right to make that decision. Hopefully you’ll be able to find a non-league team to support so you can enjoy football again? Can imagine it being quite hard to continue posting on here amongst all the positive threads about Mbappe scoring the winning champions league final goal?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: BennyBlanco on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 06:47:15 PM
Ayyyyy Benny Blanco! From the Bronx!

My guy. Quality film!
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 07:45:06 PM
Maybe the wrong thread to announce it but I’ll fight anyone who hasn’t seen Carlito’s Way :lol:

I'm alright then...seen it three times...just for Benny Blanco! :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Strawberry on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 08:33:36 PM
SUCCESS AT ANY COST.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: madras on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:10:11 PM
SUCCESS AT ANY COST.
Your kids ?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:27:22 PM
SUCCESS AT ANY COST.
Your kids ?
A trophy gathering dust in a cabinet somewhere would still amount to more in life than any offspring that takes half its DNA from me, so I’m in, at least. :lol:
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:36:35 PM
SUCCESS AT ANY COST.
Your kids ?
A trophy gathering dust in a cabinet somewhere would still amount to more in life than any offspring that takes half its DNA from me, so I’m in, at least. :lol:

WWBD?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:51:11 PM
SUCCESS AT ANY COST.
Your kids ?
A trophy gathering dust in a cabinet somewhere would still amount to more in life than any offspring that takes half its DNA from me, so I’m in, at least. :lol:

WWBD?
hes a Mets fan so f*** ‘im.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 09:53:54 PM
SUCCESS AT ANY COST.
Your kids ?
A trophy gathering dust in a cabinet somewhere would still amount to more in life than any offspring that takes half its DNA from me, so I’m in, at least. :lol:

WWBD?
hes a Mets fan so f*** ‘im.

Bernie?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: thomas on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:03:48 PM
Yes. Don’t for a second believe the Red Sox results from your search.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Mike on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:29:32 PM
...Mets? f***ing hell that changes things.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 10:45:53 PM
Or you could look at it as a way to distract from him chopping up journalists and beheading Shias.

Does this really work? ‘Shush man, Newcastle are 2nd in the league’.
not alone but as part of a broader sportswashing strategy with other sporting events they've been hosting over there like boxing, golf and the Spanish Super Cup
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Troll on Tuesday 28 January 2020, 11:59:32 PM
I gave up on the club years ago because of Ashley.  A new owner could convince me to return, but not this one.  He's only interested in the club to improve his profile in the west, and judging by this thread, it'll work.

You’re well within you’re right to make that decision. Hopefully you’ll be able to find a non-league team to support so you can enjoy football again? Can imagine it being quite hard to continue posting on here amongst all the positive threads about Mbappe scoring the winning champions league final goal?

I'll just support Valladolid instead.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Consortium of one on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 02:38:12 PM
My love of sports has slowly been beaten out of me.  Its almost not worth it to follow my teams anymore.  Its not just their individual mismanagement and mediocre results as much as it is the total disregard of the fan.  It's disheartening and is more than just my slide into old age and cynicism.  Its never about sport anymore; just money and the fastest way to get it.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 02:43:46 PM
My love of sports has slowly been beaten out of me.  Its almost not worth it to follow my teams anymore.  Its not just their individual mismanagement and mediocre results as much as it is the total disregard of the fan.  It's disheartening and is more than just my slide into old age and cynicism.  Its never about sport anymore; just money and the fastest way to get it.

Indeed. It's why I look forward to the international tournaments more than anything in the calendar now, there remains a purity to them that, even taking into account the gross way FIFA go about staging them, once they begin those events are ultimately about the sporting glory most of all.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: leffe186 on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 02:59:34 PM
My love of sports has slowly been beaten out of me.  Its almost not worth it to follow my teams anymore.  Its not just their individual mismanagement and mediocre results as much as it is the total disregard of the fan.  It's disheartening and is more than just my slide into old age and cynicism.  Its never about sport anymore; just money and the fastest way to get it.

Indeed. It's why I look forward to the international tournaments more than anything in the calendar now, there remains a purity to them that, even taking into account the gross way FIFA go about staging them, once they begin those events are ultimately about the sporting glory most of all.

This, broadly. I really enjoy the NFL though because there is still a level of parity, although that's underpinned by a significant amount of exploitation of labour. It's also helped because I'm part of an NFL community here and it was always important to me that sporting teams are rooted in their community.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Pilko on Wednesday 29 January 2020, 06:58:19 PM
In the words of Bart Simpson "To get to Duff Gardens, I'd ride with Satan himself."
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Thorpinho on Thursday 30 January 2020, 10:47:58 PM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: jdckelly on Thursday 30 January 2020, 10:53:57 PM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
private individual compared to the literal saudi state as reports on this indicate
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Nobody on Friday 31 January 2020, 12:44:34 AM
Lets aim to compete with the likes of AC Milan, Dortmond, Ajax, Athletico Madrid and most of all bring the fans back together under the banner of UNITED rather than have the p*ss taking out of us every year by Ashley and his yes men. 
While this isn't really the point of this thread (I would welcome our new space muslim overlords), I agree with this in general. Want our club to be successful, but would like it to be done in a professional, methodical manner, where we're not buying success for ridiculous money. Obviously huge money is going to be needed after the years of underinvestment, but wouldn't feel right signing Mbappe in the summer for £200m for example.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: TRon on Friday 31 January 2020, 12:45:33 AM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
private individual compared to the literal saudi state as reports on this indicate


So do we know it is the literal Saudi state as opposed to private companies or individiuals on this one?


Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: Nobody on Friday 31 January 2020, 12:48:01 AM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
private individual compared to the literal saudi state as reports on this indicate


So do we know it is the literal Saudi state as opposed to private companies or individiuals on this one?



Well aye, it's reported it's the crown prince and his sovereign wealth fund behind this.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Friday 31 January 2020, 07:40:52 AM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
private individual compared to the literal saudi state as reports on this indicate


So do we know it is the literal Saudi state as opposed to private companies or individiuals on this one?




That's pretty well known it is, it's the saudi regimes sovereign wealth fund.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 2 February 2020, 09:28:09 PM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
private individual compared to the literal saudi state as reports on this indicate


So do we know it is the literal Saudi state as opposed to private companies or individiuals on this one?

That's pretty well known it is, it's the saudi regimes sovereign wealth fund.

I'm still not 100% convinced on this personally. Sure they're not gonna just write Ashley a blank cheque but if they've decided they want the club, unlike pretty much every other buyer, they'd just get it f***ing done.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: neesy111 on Sunday 2 February 2020, 09:31:06 PM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
private individual compared to the literal saudi state as reports on this indicate


So do we know it is the literal Saudi state as opposed to private companies or individiuals on this one?

That's pretty well known it is, it's the saudi regimes sovereign wealth fund.

I'm still not 100% convinced on this personally. Sure they're not gonna just write Ashley a blank cheque but if they've decided they want the club, unlike pretty much every other buyer, they'd just get it f***ing done.

Why?  Do you think because they've got billions then another £50m is a drop in the ocean for them?  Then you're wrong, this is an investment which means they will only pay what they think it's worth.  Rich people are tight c***s as well.
Title: Re: Success at what cost?
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Sunday 2 February 2020, 09:53:41 PM
May have been mentioned but saudi money controls sheff utd doesn't it?
private individual compared to the literal saudi state as reports on this indicate


So do we know it is the literal Saudi state as opposed to private companies or individiuals on this one?

That's pretty well known it is, it's the saudi regimes sovereign wealth fund.

I'm still not 100% convinced on this personally. Sure they're not gonna just write Ashley a blank cheque but if they've decided they want the club, unlike pretty much every other buyer, they'd just get it f***ing done.

Why?  Do you think because they've got billions then another £50m is a drop in the ocean for them?  Then you're wrong, this is an investment which means they will only pay what they think it's worth.  Rich people are tight c***s as well.

They've got hundreds of billions in that fund. If they decided nufc was their sportswashing vehicle I think it'd just get done yeah.

Also I'm of the opinion money is likely not the issue, it'll be advertising and such.