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Title: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:23:50 PM
Absolutely f***ing shocking.

Once more a town, club, supporters and wider populace have to deal with the criminal mis-management of a charlatan ably abetted by the authorities who couldn't give a s*** as long as they’re getting paid.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Stifleaay on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:26:55 PM
f***ing disgrace, the EFL and FA are not fit for purpose. All football fans should be protesting and making a stand at the weekend.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:27:14 PM
Utter joke. Both the PL and the EFL really couldn't give a s*** who owns any club.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:27:21 PM
Considering the amount of administrations they have happened over the last 2 decades, I'm surprised more clubs haven't went out of business.

Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: madras on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:31:02 PM
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: neesy111 on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:35:01 PM
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.

Mismangement, shoddy ownership etc.  They probably should have been given more time, but their problems have been known for over 6 months now.

It's awful for fans, town, players and staff of Bury, but imo too many clubs have been getting away with shambolic management for too long and exploiting the insolvency laws.  More regulation etc is needed and authorities need to set-up funds for stafff etc.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Robster on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:39:02 PM
:( f***
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:39:49 PM
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.

From what I can gather the owner bought them for a quid, invested money that wasn’t there to go up to get a better price and tried to sell but couldn’t get rid. An owner who has a history of running things into the ground.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:40:02 PM
Any links to the background of what happened ?

Been speaking to a Mansfiled fan who though sorry for them, says they've brought it on themselves with wages they could t afford in attempt to win promotion etc.

That's basically it. Shoddy ownership has seen them pay players way above what they should be in the hope of securing promotion. Money they don't really have.

Andy Holt, the Accrington chairman, has been very vocal about it. He acknowledges the owners are partly to blame but he's accused the EFL of doing f*** all to help - sitting back and letting it happen rather than send in a team of proper football administrators to try and rectify things.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:41:02 PM
Considering the amount of administrations they have happened over the last 2 decades, I'm surprised more clubs haven't went out of business.



Most clubs in the EFL are a f***ing mess once owner cash (at their whim which isn’t stable) is taken away. PL fall out.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: WarrenBartonCentrePartin on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:44:13 PM
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Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:45:00 PM
Of course "they've" brought it on "themselves" - but the question English football now faces is: who are "they"? Bury FC and the rogue who happens to own them should not be one and the same but because the FA have taken their eye off the ball, they now are, just like Newcastle United and Mike Ashley are one and the same.

Instead of ensuring that football clubs are protected organisations, valuable to communities, the game in this country has been sold to the highest bidder. Anyone who wants a club and has enough money can have one, regardless of motive or intention. We'll likely see a lot more of this as the Chinese conglomerates that own half the Championship get bored of finishing 14th and the Del Boy businessmen who own clubs further down the pyramid realise there's less and less money in it as more kids grow up interested only in the Premier League and the Champions League.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:46:12 PM

Who'd have thought that a membership organisation would fail to enforce significant regulation of its own members?
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:48:39 PM
David Conn wrote this in the Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit

This paragraph had me shaking my head in disbelief:

Quote
At Bury itself, loans now up to £3.7m, secured on Gigg Lane, were taken from an outfit called Capital Bridging Finance Solutions, based in Crosby, with 40% commissions paid to still-unnamed third parties as introduction fees. The publicly filed documents state that Capital in turn mortgaged Bury’s ground to a company registered in Malta, whose own lenders for the deal were eight companies domiciled in the offshore tax haven of the British Virgin Islands. Perhaps you have to know and have been to Gigg Lane, a football haven amid terraced streets just off Manchester Road, to feel in your guts the ludicrous nature of such house-of-cards economics.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Disco on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:50:46 PM
Of course "they've" brought it on "themselves" - but the question English football now faces is: who are "they"? Bury FC and the rogue who happens to own them should not be one and the same but because the FA have taken their eye off the ball, they now are, just like Newcastle United and Mike Ashley are one and the same.

Instead of ensuring that football clubs are protected organisations, valuable to communities, the game in this country has been sold to the highest bidder. Anyone who wants a club and has enough money can have one, regardless of motive or intention. We'll likely see a lot more of this as the Chinese conglomerates that own half the Championship get bored of finishing 14th and the Del Boy businessmen who own clubs further down the pyramid realise there's less and less money in it as more kids grow up interested only in the Premier League and the Champions League.

It’s the country in a current nutshell, is the person running it making money?

Yes - good, ignore all else
No - why should I give a f***, not my problem
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 27 August 2019, 11:56:18 PM
The entire EFL board should be resigning in disgrace over this, letting a complete conman take over without any checks on him and they wonder what went wrong 
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Super Duper Branko Strupar on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:07:51 AM
David Conn wrote this in the Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit

This paragraph had me shaking my head in disbelief:

Quote
At Bury itself, loans now up to £3.7m, secured on Gigg Lane, were taken from an outfit called Capital Bridging Finance Solutions, based in Crosby, with 40% commissions paid to still-unnamed third parties as introduction fees. The publicly filed documents state that Capital in turn mortgaged Bury’s ground to a company registered in Malta, whose own lenders for the deal were eight companies domiciled in the offshore tax haven of the British Virgin Islands. Perhaps you have to know and have been to Gigg Lane, a football haven amid terraced streets just off Manchester Road, to feel in your guts the ludicrous nature of such house-of-cards economics.

Great article.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:12:16 AM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: ToonArmy1892 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:23:22 AM
What happens to them now?
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:26:23 AM
What happens to them now?

Liquidation I think.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: BlackandWhite on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:39:48 AM
f***ing disgraceful beyond belief.

Shame on everyone involved. The suits at the top of the FA are not worthy of their positions. f*** them all. They all have blood on their hands.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:43:35 AM
Surely there should be some wages to revenue threshold which you can't pass in The Football League
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Yorkie on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 12:50:21 AM
I don't believe in other clubs gifting funds to rescue another club, but - just as a demonstration of the disparity in finances - if every Premier League club contributed 0.0019% of their total 'winnings' from the end of last season, Bury would be more than comfortably in the clear. With the obscene money sloshing around the game, how can this happen? Bury had attendances between ~4-7k all last season. Now it'll be never again.

Ah well, at least SSN got to sensationalise the gripping drama with a big clock and a daft mug ringing the doomsday bell.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:13:40 AM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Pandamninator on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:32:15 AM
I don't believe in other clubs gifting funds to rescue another club, but - just as a demonstration of the disparity in finances - if every Premier League club contributed 0.0019% of their total 'winnings' from the end of last season, Bury would be more than comfortably in the clear. With the obscene money sloshing around the game, how can this happen? Bury had attendances between ~4-7k all last season. Now it'll be never again.

Ah well, at least SSN got to sensationalise the gripping drama with a big clock and a daft mug ringing the doomsday bell.

I *believe* clubs can't just give money to other clubs to bail it out willy nilly - seen it mentioned a couple of times.

But there would a million and one loopholes no doubt, buy the groundsmans rake for 100k.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: madras on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:46:00 AM
Of course "they've" brought it on "themselves" - but the question English football now faces is: who are "they"? Bury FC and the rogue who happens to own them should not be one and the same but because the FA have taken their eye off the ball, they now are, just like Newcastle United and Mike Ashley are one and the same.

Instead of ensuring that football clubs are protected organisations, valuable to communities, the game in this country has been sold to the highest bidder. Anyone who wants a club and has enough money can have one, regardless of motive or intention. We'll likely see a lot more of this as the Chinese conglomerates that own half the Championship get bored of finishing 14th and the Del Boy businessmen who own clubs further down the pyramid realise there's less and less money in it as more kids grow up interested only in the Premier League and the Champions League.
How do you prove motive or intention ?
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 05:55:11 AM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: chopey on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 07:37:06 AM
David Conn wrote this in the Guardian today: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/26/bury-britain-gigg-lane-brexit

This paragraph had me shaking my head in disbelief:

Quote
At Bury itself, loans now up to £3.7m, secured on Gigg Lane, were taken from an outfit called Capital Bridging Finance Solutions, based in Crosby, with 40% commissions paid to still-unnamed third parties as introduction fees. The publicly filed documents state that Capital in turn mortgaged Bury’s ground to a company registered in Malta, whose own lenders for the deal were eight companies domiciled in the offshore tax haven of the British Virgin Islands. Perhaps you have to know and have been to Gigg Lane, a football haven amid terraced streets just off Manchester Road, to feel in your guts the ludicrous nature of such house-of-cards economics.

Will these companies actually make money by selling off Gigg Lane then?
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 07:41:05 AM
Of course "they've" brought it on "themselves" - but the question English football now faces is: who are "they"? Bury FC and the rogue who happens to own them should not be one and the same but because the FA have taken their eye off the ball, they now are, just like Newcastle United and Mike Ashley are one and the same.

Instead of ensuring that football clubs are protected organisations, valuable to communities, the game in this country has been sold to the highest bidder. Anyone who wants a club and has enough money can have one, regardless of motive or intention. We'll likely see a lot more of this as the Chinese conglomerates that own half the Championship get bored of finishing 14th and the Del Boy businessmen who own clubs further down the pyramid realise there's less and less money in it as more kids grow up interested only in the Premier League and the Champions League.
How do you prove motive or intention ?

You can't. Which is why football clubs should have some form of protection against being run into the ground by rogue owners.

I don't believe football clubs should be able to be bought and sold like any other business, unfortunately this is the road English football has chosen to go down. Where the Spanish have their club membership model and the Germans have 50%+1 (and those models I'm sure aren't without their own issues), we have sold out. That has worked in the sense that the PL has become a financial behemoth but it leaves a significant chance of clubs like Bury, Blackpool and us ending up entirely subject to the whims of vindictive owners.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: jackyboy on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 07:49:01 AM
Be Bolton next.  You would have hope that Big Sam would have stepped in to help his own managerless  club as it was them who launched his career as a player and manager
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 07:56:52 AM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Mikky on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 08:28:09 AM
https://mobile.twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1164956024106889217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1164956024106889217&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fsport%2Flive%2Ffootball%2F49493207

This their owner? :jesuswept:
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 08:52:17 AM
Tbh, as sad as this is it might be a wake-up call for clubs in the lower leagues to get their houses in order.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Northerngimp on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 08:52:23 AM
Heart breaking for Bury fans and we are stuck with a parasite taking money out of the game.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 08:57:04 AM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Cf on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 09:19:52 AM
Tbh, as sad as this is it might be a wake-up call for clubs in the lower leagues to get their houses in order.

That's the whole point though. This wasn't the "clubs" fault. It was the FA/EFL allowing this owner.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Tyne81 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 09:32:43 AM
It's absolutely disgusting. The club is historic and for some chancer to appear to bring them on with promotion and such but clearly had the motives for a quick buck. The football league should hang their heads in shame and the owner should be looking at legal chances. Won't happen and if anything this shows modern Britain in all it's shame. Working class town getting shafted with no help.

On a side note, I know sky and the likes interview the local lunatics but f*** me what I've seen of their fans  :o Never been to Bury, never will now. Again brings me back to the above point, shafted Northern s*** hole left to rot.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: TheNE40 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 09:38:19 AM
Absolutely gut-wrenching this. Feel so sorry for the devoted fans who've given up years to support their local club. They're the main ones affected by this. Sincerely hope they can get a Phoenix club going and are able to sort this mess out.

The EFL rightly have to take a huge amount of blame for this, as this proves that their 'fit and proper persons test' is just not fit for purpose. Ridiculous how a man who has nefarious intentions from the outset (and who was previously disqualified from owning a club) was allowed to buy the club for £1 purely for the aim of running it into the ground so that he can develop and profit from the land around Gigg Lane.

Sky Sports also deserve a bit of criticism here. The complete lack of appreciation and understanding shown by that 'countdown' was nothing short of a disgrace. They should hang their heads in shame.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: neesy111 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 09:38:44 AM
Tbh, as sad as this is it might be a wake-up call for clubs in the lower leagues to get their houses in order.

That's the whole point though. This wasn't the "clubs" fault. It was the FA/EFL allowing this owner.

They've had a string of bad owners though, this guy got the club for £1 because of the huge debts previously occurred.  Let's say if this guy hadn't been allowed to buy the club because of proper vetting etc aren't you in majority of cases just delaying the consequences of past issues?

If the FA/EFL do sort things out, I think you may find things get worse with some clubs before they get better for the game overall.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 10:32:48 AM
Chair of the EFL has given an interview where they basically deflect blame.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: madras on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 10:36:18 AM
Of course "they've" brought it on "themselves" - but the question English football now faces is: who are "they"? Bury FC and the rogue who happens to own them should not be one and the same but because the FA have taken their eye off the ball, they now are, just like Newcastle United and Mike Ashley are one and the same.

Instead of ensuring that football clubs are protected organisations, valuable to communities, the game in this country has been sold to the highest bidder. Anyone who wants a club and has enough money can have one, regardless of motive or intention. We'll likely see a lot more of this as the Chinese conglomerates that own half the Championship get bored of finishing 14th and the Del Boy businessmen who own clubs further down the pyramid realise there's less and less money in it as more kids grow up interested only in the Premier League and the Champions League.
How do you prove motive or intention ?

You can't. Which is why football clubs should have some form of protection against being run into the ground by rogue owners.

I don't believe football clubs should be able to be bought and sold like any other business, unfortunately this is the road English football has chosen to go down. Where the Spanish have their club membership model and the Germans have 50%+1 (and those models I'm sure aren't without their own issues), we have sold out. That has worked in the sense that the PL has become a financial behemoth but it leaves a significant chance of clubs like Bury, Blackpool and us ending up entirely subject to the whims of vindictive owners.
I agree with that, it's also strange that the duties of directors as laid out in the companies act of 2006  never seem to be mentioned......


Duty to promote the success of the company

(1)A director of a company must act in the way he considers, in good faith, would be most likely to promote the success of the company for the benefit of its members as a whole, and in doing so have regard (amongst other matters) to—

(a)the likely consequences of any decision in the long term,

(b)the interests of the company's employees,

(c)the need to foster the company's business relationships with suppliers, customers and others,

(d)the impact of the company's operations on the community and the environment,

(e)the desirability of the company maintaining a reputation for high standards of business

In this instance, Bury, not solely but in particular Clause d.

Efit...then again I'm not sure where this leaves this if the club are owned outright ?
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Darth Crooks on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 10:55:10 AM
Rubber was going to hit the road at some point with somebody about this. EFL acting like Pilate every time.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: OCK on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 11:14:21 AM
Sky Sports covered this with dignity, I see.  :jesuswept:
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Newcastle Fan on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 11:48:59 AM
The entire EFL board should be resigning in disgrace over this, letting a complete conman take over without any checks on him and they wonder what went wrong 

Both the FA and EFL Boards are pretty much stuck to their seats no matter how bad things get or how much they f*** up, hard to prosecute the judge i guess :lol:
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: hakka on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 11:50:40 AM
Tragic and disgusting this.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:10:00 PM
Sky Sports covered this with dignity, I see.  :jesuswept:

Surprised they didn’t film Gary Neville tugging one off wearing full Salford kit.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: xLiaaamx on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:16:53 PM
Could have bought Bury players and loaned them back I guess.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: ToonArmy1892 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:21:38 PM
Could happen to us this.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:52:01 PM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 01:55:53 PM
In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want.

correct, but they chose not to give a f*** and here we are

they have a captive audience so there's no benefit in them doing anything to protect the clubs, i don't think the brand thing applies tbph
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:00:08 PM
In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want.

correct, but they chose not to give a f*** and here we are

they have a captive audience so there's no benefit in them doing anything to protect the clubs, i don't think the brand thing applies tbph

Agreed. I think these administrators are suits with really soft stomachs, and if all fans from all teams begin protesting about needing a change, they’ll fold like a pack of cards and implement something at least. These aren’t thick skinned politicians. In my opinion anyway.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Chicane on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:14:04 PM
Unfortunately 99% of football fans in this country don't give a toss about anything outside the PL. They're PL fans. Just look at some (actually, nearly all) of the comments on the tweets posted by Sky related to this. All just taking the p*ss out of the Bury fans, mock sympathy etc. They seem to think this is funny.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:15:58 PM
I think your numbers are somewhat off. 99%? Come on.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Chicane on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:18:59 PM
Aye maybe that's a bit exaggerated  :lol:

But the majority for sure. Or maybe it's just the "vocal" twitter mongs skewing my perspective. But man, reading the responses on there would certainly make you believe that. A club literally wiped out by an asshole owner who doesn't give a f***, and the replies are all "hahaha shave your eyebrows m8".
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:27:02 PM
Probably the same f***ing whoppers who send racist abuse to every black player who misses/scores/wins/gives away a penalty.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 02:40:05 PM
Unfortunately 99% of football fans in this country don't give a toss about anything outside the PL. They're PL fans. Just look at some (actually, nearly all) of the comments on the tweets posted by Sky related to this. All just taking the p*ss out of the Bury fans, mock sympathy etc. They seem to think this is funny.

tell you what, i left BT Sports on the other night and they played the highlights from the vanarama league somethignorother and it looked totally f***ing class, some of the goals were outrageously good for the level

briefly considered going but i just don't have any connection to any of the teams down there :(
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:06:06 PM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.

Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Scoreboard82 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:12:30 PM
Unfortunately 99% of football fans in this country don't give a toss about anything outside the PL. They're PL fans. Just look at some (actually, nearly all) of the comments on the tweets posted by Sky related to this. All just taking the p*ss out of the Bury fans, mock sympathy etc. They seem to think this is funny.

tell you what, i left BT Sports on the other night and they played the highlights from the vanarama league somethignorother and it looked totally f***ing class, some of the goals were outrageously good for the level

briefly considered going but i just don't have any connection to any of the teams down there :(
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:44:20 PM
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

i was honestly shocked by the standard and consistency of the goals during the highlights i watched, was incredible :lol:
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:45:22 PM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.

The King of bad faith arguments and uncontrollable smugness strikes again. Yes, yes that is what I want, dude. You got me.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:53:16 PM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.
In all fairness, the MLS is different. When Chiva’s had troubles they took ownership of the club back (they technically owned it in anyway), and rebranded the club again and it stayed within LA. Now they are LAFC.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 03:53:48 PM
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

i was honestly shocked by the standard and consistency of the goals during the highlights i watched, was incredible :lol:

Hartlepool and Harrogate both quite close to you aren't they?
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:24:41 PM
I’m a free market capitalist but even I fail to understand the way football in England operates. The FA/EFL simply had to create a regulatory framework within which ownership can change hands but ultimately the league has a say in protecting its own brand and customers (the fans). The US sports have done this really well, seemingly.

The idea of publishing finances is a great one, it should at least start there!

:anguish:

:lol: yes, that’s the bit you should focus on instead of the topic at hand. Wrongthink must be called out in every forum (and thread)! Settle down, comrade.

well depending on your interpretation of events the future of bury has been left to the market, you should be all for it no?  or do we implement "regulatory frameworks" to stop SME's going to the wall as well

:thup:

Every country with any form of capitalism has existed, and exists, within a heavy, albeit ever-changing, regulatory framework. The fine tuning of this framework is the reason we have elections, to elect parties that ensure things don’t get too extreme in either direction (full libertarianism or full socialism).

In life and politics, this friction is between voluntary transactions of goods and services between humans (aka market capitalism) and the regulatory framework created by the *government.*

In a private sports league created by willing participants of free humans, without any meddling from the state, you can, and should, set up any sort of framework you want. It is then upto owners or teams to want to participate or opt out. The US as a culture and country has been founded on and celebrates capitalism, yet it has very smart scaffoldings enacted within its sporting institutions to protect teams and fans. I wonder why.

If you don’t see the difference between the two scenarios, and choose to pretend they’re one and the same, you’re free to do so. I would rather focus on putting pressure on the FA and EFL into mirroring even 1% of the regulations we have in real life for regular “SME’s.” Instead what we have is seemingly the Wild West. If an owner doesn’t like the new rules, they can opt out and we will have willing buyers who wish to play within those rules.

Anyways, no interest in furthering this discussion about grand economic systems and politics.

Protecting institutions by allowing them to be franchised and moved out of states? Sounds great.
In all fairness, the MLS is different. When Chiva’s had troubles they took ownership of the club back (they technically owned it in anyway), and rebranded the club again and it stayed within LA. Now they are LAFC.

We don't even need wholesale changes in England, I think simply applying existing statutes and creating some new basic ones, like owners having some sort of a fiduciary duty to the institution, the league and fans, would go some way in rectifying these issues. Heck, they won't even need to do any "fit and proper" tests if they simply have a set of rules every owner must follow. Then you can be Kim Jong Un if you want, as long as you follow the rules and don't destroy a club / siphon off money to off-shore accounts / treat own fans with contempt, you're welcome to the party.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: TheNE40 on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:45:12 PM
Sky Sports now reporting that an international consortia has £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC and is pleading with the EFL to rescind their explusion…

This may not be over..
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: TBG on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:46:25 PM
STAY TUNED
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:54:49 PM
Sky Sports now reporting that an international consortia has £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC and is pleading with the EFL to rescind their explusion…

This may not be over..
Even if it doesn’t go through, the EFL should only give a suspension of their membership. They should give them until say February for a takeover to happen with the team omitted from playing this season. If nothing can be done before then they should sit out next season and be given a further year to find a solution. If nothing can be done still, then they should take the drastic action.

In all seriousness though, the EFL will be getting decent gate receipts for matches in the EFL Cup this week. Alongside the other money they have hoovered it. It wouldn’t make a dent in their finances for them to give the Bury supporters trust some money to help them buy the club.
Of course they would rather do f*** all and keep the money to themselves.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 04:58:06 PM
Sky Sports now reporting that an international consortia has £7m in the bank to enable the sale of Bury FC and is pleading with the EFL to rescind their explusion…

This may not be over..
RESET THE COUNTDOWN CLOCK!!!!!




Bunch of b******s.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wilson on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 06:39:53 PM
Good to see Bolton haven't suffered the same fate.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Stifleaay on Wednesday 28 August 2019, 06:45:59 PM
Bolton saved, that’s a good for them.
The EFL really needs to step in and save Bury here.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: nufcjb on Thursday 29 August 2019, 02:51:30 AM
That Bolton takeover was fast in the end. Lucky they didn't have fat Mike or midget Charnley working through the night to get it done
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Yorkie on Thursday 29 August 2019, 07:55:47 AM
Fantastic discussion about this whole sorry episode on this week's Set Piece Menu podcast.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 29 August 2019, 08:48:58 AM
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

i was honestly shocked by the standard and consistency of the goals during the highlights i watched, was incredible :lol:

Hartlepool and Harrogate both quite close to you aren't they?

aye, hartlepool closer, i just don't know if i could go and follow another team tbh :undecided:
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Conjo on Thursday 29 August 2019, 09:08:23 AM
I don't fully understand the Bolton and Bury situation.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/28/bolton-wanderers-football-ventures-takeover

Quote
Sadly Mr Anderson used his position as a secured creditor to hamper and frustrate any deal that did not benefit him or suit his purposes.

How can an owner be a secured creditor and hold his own company hostage like that? I understand similar arrangement existed for the Bury owner Dale as well? Sounds illegal.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: mrmojorisin75 on Thursday 29 August 2019, 09:34:14 AM
I don't fully understand the Bolton and Bury situation.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/aug/28/bolton-wanderers-football-ventures-takeover

Quote
Sadly Mr Anderson used his position as a secured creditor to hamper and frustrate any deal that did not benefit him or suit his purposes.

How can an owner be a secured creditor and hold his own company hostage like that? I understand similar arrangement existed for the Bury owner Dale as well? Sounds illegal.

this is england, they're not poor so they can do whatever the f*** they want basically
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Paully on Thursday 29 August 2019, 09:46:48 AM
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Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: TheNE40 on Thursday 29 August 2019, 12:27:52 PM
Rumours online that the EFL are holding an emergency meeting to discuss this out of time £7m offer for Bury... watch this space
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Scoreboard82 on Thursday 29 August 2019, 02:41:31 PM
I've started enjoying the EFL highlights on quest much more than MOTD. Premier league bores me silly these days.

i was honestly shocked by the standard and consistency of the goals during the highlights i watched, was incredible :lol:

Hartlepool and Harrogate both quite close to you aren't they?
Relatively close i suppose, though i'm happy with a mere passing interest in the lower leagues. I've started going to random league one and two grounds in a bid to 'do the 92' and am really enjoying my days out. At the same time i'm envious of some fans, who while small in numbers are able to passionately back their teams knowing the people at the top want the best for their club. In most cases anyway.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Decky on Thursday 29 August 2019, 04:37:14 PM
EFL not going back on their decision.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49509774
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: HawK on Thursday 29 August 2019, 04:51:16 PM
Aye cause standing your ground and making a statement is exactly the right response, f***ers.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: TheNE40 on Thursday 29 August 2019, 05:03:32 PM
Bury statement here pretty scathing of the EFL here..

https://www.buryfc.co.uk/news/2019/august/bury-fc-club-statement/
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Paully on Friday 30 August 2019, 08:54:52 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7408485/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Dont-blame-elite-demise-Bury-fall-business.html
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 30 August 2019, 10:46:12 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7408485/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Dont-blame-elite-demise-Bury-fall-business.html

Sums up the reasons why we can't just expect the Premier League to pay for mismanagement, but it would be interesting to hear these football academics actually offer some kind of alternative solution. There's a duty of care here, and it should apply to everyone in football. A lot of people here are taking their money away from the Premier League this season and into the divisions below, for instance, which is a start. At the very least, you'd hope there'd be some more rallying calls to that end. It's not as if greater support in the lower leagues would damage the big brand; there's always a conveyor belt of customers waiting for an empty seat at a Premier League ground (as has been demonstrated at SJP).

The Premier League shouldn't front the bill. Fine, whatever. I'm sure the majority see the sense in that so hopefully we can just draw a line under it. What are we going to do then?
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: NEEJ on Friday 30 August 2019, 11:04:27 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7408485/MARTIN-SAMUEL-Dont-blame-elite-demise-Bury-fall-business.html

Sums up the reasons why we can't just expect the Premier League to pay for mismanagement, but it would be interesting to hear these football academics actually offer some kind of alternative solution. There's a duty of care here, and it should apply to everyone in football. A lot of people here are taking their money away from the Premier League this season and into the divisions below, for instance, which is a start. At the very least, you'd hope there'd be some more rallying calls to that end. It's not as if greater support if the lower leagues would damage the big brand; there's always a conveyor belt of customers waiting for an empty seat at a Premier League ground (as has been demonstrated at SJP).

The Premier League shouldn't front the bill. Fine, whatever. I'm sure the majority see the sense in that so hopefully we can just draw a line under it. What are we going to do then?
Unsurprisingly, that's a really sanctimonious piece from Samuel. Like you say, it's just one long criticism of how these clubs have been horrendously mismanaged with no preventative solutions offered. Of course it's not the duty of the PL/PL clubs to bail out their neighbours, but there has to be a more effective way to prevent these problems occurring in the first place.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 30 August 2019, 11:11:24 AM
s*** article written by someone who knows the price of money but value of nothing else. A guy who has backed the likes of Ashley in the past, and no doubt see’s football clubs as businesses, fans as customers etc.
The Premier League probably should do more. The EFL though certainly can do more. The same day Bury were being told to p*ss off out of the league, was the same day Premier League clubs entered the EFL Cup, with somewhere between 10%-20% of all gate receipts going direct to the EFL. Where does the EFL spend their money? There is even less said about where their money goes than where the Premier League give theirs. It’s known that the EFL clubs get virtually f*** all for league positions. There is no evidence to suggest that they give significant money out to clubs for academies etc.

As has been said, the first time Bury was in trouble, the EFL could have employed an administrator/accounted to take control of the club, get it back on a good financial footing, and possibly sold it off down the line Bury supporters. Instead they let a guy buy it for £1, a man who they have allegedly deemed not fit enough to buy a club before.
The thing is the EFL could have easily done something about it, and should have. The likes of Martin Samual etc though want you to think they couldn’t and shouldn’t, because if you think that, then the only solution is for fans/customers to go and spend as much money as they can at their chosen club, and put more money into the pockets of his friends like Ashley.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Yorkie on Friday 30 August 2019, 11:19:20 AM
Think you're probably right about Samuel, Stif. At least the poor old Premier League has got someone fighting its corner though, eh.

A more meaningful take from Rory Smith in the NY Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/23/sports/soccer/bury-efl-pogba-twitter.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsoccer&action=click&contentCollection=soccer&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=4&pgtype=sectionfront
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: jdckelly on Friday 30 August 2019, 11:47:10 AM
the premier leagues mere existance is playing a part in teams spending beyond their means in hopes of getting promotion and getting their hands on the tv cash and justifying that risk. championship overall wage to revenue percentage in 17/18 was 115% with individual clubs having up to 200% of revenue being spent on wages
http://financialfootballnews.com/championship-2018-finances-wages/

then you throw in the parachute payments distorting the competition and the changes to academy rules on cachement area meaning premier league academies hoover up all the most talented youngsters so even the chance of selling off a talented young player for big cash is reduced. So all in all I do hope for a massive crash in the tv money to watch the premier league suffer
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 31 August 2019, 02:40:32 PM
As typical from Wilson, this is a really good piece: https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2019/aug/31/turning-clubs-global-brands-means-more-burys
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Gorilla on Tuesday 3 September 2019, 03:51:02 PM
EFL have agreed to discuss this and take another look so they may be back.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: TheNE40 on Tuesday 3 September 2019, 04:36:43 PM
Be very interesting to see what comes of this. I obviously want them back within the League structure but it could set a dangerous precedent for the future (and that may be what the EFL could be mindful of).
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: geordiedean on Tuesday 3 September 2019, 05:06:14 PM
Be very interesting to see what comes of this. I obviously want them back within the League structure but it could set a dangerous precedent for the future (and that may be what the EFL could be mindful of).

I think the best outcome is if the EFL and the National League can come to a trade off that results in Bury being dropped into the National league which will then result in an extra promotion spot fot the national league this season
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: Yorkie on Tuesday 3 September 2019, 09:29:58 PM
If there's genuine hope of a genuine investor who can give assurances that bills will be paid, hopefully it'll go to a member vote and approximately 72 teams will agree on whatever feasible and fair method is put forward to welcome them back.

And then it has to go down as the one of the greatest red flags the English game has ever seen. Hopefully we can have Bury back and the whole fiasco catalyses a massive, fundamental shake-up. Dismissing the needless sentiment and ownership of 'the 92' should be where it starts.
Title: Re: Bury FC expelled from the EFL
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 3 September 2019, 09:36:38 PM
Be very interesting to see what comes of this. I obviously want them back within the League structure but it could set a dangerous precedent for the future (and that may be what the EFL could be mindful of).
on the one hand I agree but on the other surely its better than letting a club go extinct for the idiocy of a few bad owners and utter neglect of the EFL