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Title: Football Leaks
Post by: David Edgar on Friday 2 November 2018, 05:56:05 PM
This is probably thread worthy: http://www.spiegel.de/international/football-leaks-manchester-city-paris-saint-germain-gianni-infantino-a-1236277.html

Loads of documentation leaked to the press across Europe proving corruption across the big clubs and UEFA. 
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: David Edgar on Friday 2 November 2018, 05:57:19 PM
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Thousands of pages of Football Leaks documents prove:

ManCity and PSG systematically violated FIFA's financial fair play rules for years;

Infantino, as UEFA general secretary, buckled under pressure from Abu Dhabi and Qatar and allowed the clubs from Manchester and Paris to operate with virtual impunity;

UEFA meted out only mild punishments to the two clubs and did not expel either of them from the Champions League as it did with smaller clubs;

Infantino -- despite an obligation to strict neutrality -- secretly met for negotiations with club bosses from Paris and Manchester;

he fed internal association info to the clubs and cleared the way for "settlements," although he was not authorized to do so;

that he thus systematically undermined UEFA's own oversight procedures and bodies.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: David Edgar on Friday 2 November 2018, 05:59:29 PM
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The reports of the coming weeks will also reveal the positive doping tests of a multiple Champions League winner as well as the tax avoidance models of some Premier League titans.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: David Edgar on Friday 2 November 2018, 06:14:31 PM
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Post by: Disco on Friday 2 November 2018, 06:27:09 PM
Confirms what everyone knew really. Football is bent and the soft power merchants can do they want.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Friday 2 November 2018, 06:35:00 PM
How exciting. I can't wait to see what equally corrupt people they replace the corrupt scapegoats with in their 'shake up' to rid the sport of such shame.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Kaizero on Friday 2 November 2018, 07:50:25 PM
The plans for a «Super League» have come far as well according to the leaks, shares hve been divided among clubs and plans to start in 2021/22, with the clubs leaving their national leagues and european competitions.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: xLiaaamx on Friday 2 November 2018, 07:58:58 PM
The plans for a «Super League» have come far as well according to the leaks, shares hve been divided among clubs and plans to start in 2021/22, with the clubs leaving their national leagues and european competitions.


Good. Tra to lot of them. Less money in our league is good for hounding out Ashley.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:02:29 PM
The plans for a «Super League» have come far as well according to the leaks, shares hve been divided among clubs and plans to start in 2021/22, with the clubs leaving their national leagues and european competitions.


Good. Tra to lot of them. Less money in our league is good for hounding out Ashley.

Fingers crossed it's a step too far and begins modern football's implosion.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sbnufc on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:06:27 PM
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The reports of the coming weeks will also reveal the positive doping tests of a multiple Champions League winner as well as the tax avoidance models of some Premier League titans.

Surely Real, so in turn surely Ronaldo or Bale :lol: Bale suddenly got super ripped and everyone knows (/says) Ronaldo is a freak with lack of recovery time needed
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Ketsbaia on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:13:39 PM
Whoa whoa, hang on. Are they saying that football is corrupt to its core?

Not sure I can handle the shock.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sbnufc on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:16:03 PM

:lol:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: firetotheworks on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:17:19 PM
Far too far gone for anyone to kick up a fuss unfortunately.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Odear on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:23:56 PM
Why do they bother making up rules they’ll never stick to?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Chicane on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:26:49 PM
Whole system is rotten to the core.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: midds on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:28:10 PM
Why do they bother making up rules they’ll never stick to?

So 'they' can enforce them on smaller, poorer teams if they ever need to in the future. f*** precedent, they'll do what they want, when they want and to whom they want. Metaphor for life tbph.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: geordiesteve710 on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:39:03 PM
The plans for a «Super League» have come far as well according to the leaks, shares hve been divided among clubs and plans to start in 2021/22, with the clubs leaving their national leagues and european competitions.


Good. Tra to lot of them. Less money in our league is good for hounding out Ashley.

Fingers crossed it's a step too far and begins modern football's implosion.

:thup:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: AsprillasShinPad on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:43:54 PM
The plans for a «Super League» have come far as well according to the leaks, shares hve been divided among clubs and plans to start in 2021/22, with the clubs leaving their national leagues and european competitions.


Good. Tra to lot of them. Less money in our league is good for hounding out Ashley.

Fingers crossed it's a step too far and begins modern football's implosion.

Great news if it happens.  Hopefully the 'Big Six' f*** off, Sky f***s off and leaves the English Leagues alone and the FCB f***s off when the TV money dries up.  Would love to see a competitive English league that we can be a part of without needing to spend hundreds of millions of pounds on super average players and the fans don't get fleeced to within an inch of their lives whilst cronies like Platini and Blatter rig everything.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Big Geordie on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:46:01 PM
Inevitable that this has been going on in the background for the last few years. Football has moved away from it's lifeblood (the supporters) and become more about making cash for already rich men and states. The issue is now - what will happen with these revelations? Will it all be denied and swept under a carpet? Will the likes of Infantino face corruption charges, or will these changes all go ahead with no resistance?

At the end of the day - money always talks.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Ketsbaia on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:47:55 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: AsprillasShinPad on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:49:39 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: chopey on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:52:32 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.

Totally agree, but if this happens football is dead.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:55:50 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.

Yup. I think people would get over it pretty quickly tbh. At least, fans of the clubs that don't join Europe.

I still don't fully understand how it would be viable in the long run, though. The same European teams competing over and over will get boring, surely? How much of a travelling contingent will you realistically get week in, week out, which would affect atmosphere? It's all well and good relying on the TV money it produces but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see clubs running back to their domestic leagues in less than a decade. Unfortunately, you know the arseholes in the FA would welcome them back with open arms.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: AsprillasShinPad on Friday 2 November 2018, 08:59:07 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.

Yup. I think people would get over it pretty quickly tbh. At least, fans of the clubs that don't join Europe.

I still don't fully understand how it would be viable in the long run, though. The same European teams competing over and over will get boring, surely? How much of a travelling contingent will you realistically get week in, week out, which would affect atmosphere? It's all well and good relying on the TV money it produces but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see clubs running back to their domestic leagues in less than a decade. Unfortunately, you know the arseholes in the FA would welcome them back with open arms.

It would be properly s*** if your club did it.  £100 tickets, crowds that were 90% tourists and not being able to do away games.  A bit like following a plastic glory team like Barca or Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Friday 2 November 2018, 09:03:44 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.

Yup. I think people would get over it pretty quickly tbh. At least, fans of the clubs that don't join Europe.

I still don't fully understand how it would be viable in the long run, though. The same European teams competing over and over will get boring, surely? How much of a travelling contingent will you realistically get week in, week out, which would affect atmosphere? It's all well and good relying on the TV money it produces but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see clubs running back to their domestic leagues in less than a decade. Unfortunately, you know the arseholes in the FA would welcome them back with open arms.

It would be properly s*** if your club did it.  £100 tickets, crowds that were 90% tourists and not being able to do away games.  A bit like following a plastic glory team like Barca or Real Madrid.

:thup: The novelty would wear off within a season imo. Would love it if teams' respective FAs told them to get f***ed if/when they came crawling back.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: chopey on Friday 2 November 2018, 09:10:14 PM
Can you imagine the price of TV ? and then if you paid a fortune for a boring 0-0 and enough people complained the rules would change to make matches more marketable, football is f***ed man, my son is 14 and can barely go 2 mins watching a game without checking his phone, he also knows a million ways to watch for nowt............................................g oodbye football it was nice knowing you.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: geordiesteve710 on Friday 2 November 2018, 09:28:24 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.

Yup. I think people would get over it pretty quickly tbh. At least, fans of the clubs that don't join Europe.

I still don't fully understand how it would be viable in the long run, though. The same European teams competing over and over will get boring, surely? How much of a travelling contingent will you realistically get week in, week out, which would affect atmosphere? It's all well and good relying on the TV money it produces but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see clubs running back to their domestic leagues in less than a decade. Unfortunately, you know the arseholes in the FA would welcome them back with open arms.

It would be properly s*** if your club did it.  £100 tickets, crowds that were 90% tourists and not being able to do away games.  A bit like following a plastic glory team like Barca or Real Madrid.

Aye. The plans might be in place but it'll not go ahead like. Mainly because it's a really really s*** short-sighted idea that even Fifa aren't stupid enough to endorse.

I can't stand man utd or their fans but there is no way that their core support would tolerate that without a massive f***ing boot off. That said, they'll have a ready made lower league team to watch instead by then anyway.

Can't see many German teams going through with it either given that fans can effectively control their decision making.


Shame like, I'd really like the idea of a competitive English league without the"super six" and all the hype that comes with it.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Dave on Friday 2 November 2018, 10:16:28 PM
Whoa whoa, hang on. Are they saying that football is corrupt to its core?

Not sure I can handle the shock.


:lol:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: AsprillasShinPad on Friday 2 November 2018, 10:53:37 PM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.

Yup. I think people would get over it pretty quickly tbh. At least, fans of the clubs that don't join Europe.

I still don't fully understand how it would be viable in the long run, though. The same European teams competing over and over will get boring, surely? How much of a travelling contingent will you realistically get week in, week out, which would affect atmosphere? It's all well and good relying on the TV money it produces but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see clubs running back to their domestic leagues in less than a decade. Unfortunately, you know the arseholes in the FA would welcome them back with open arms.

It would be properly s*** if your club did it.  £100 tickets, crowds that were 90% tourists and not being able to do away games.  A bit like following a plastic glory team like Barca or Real Madrid.

Aye. The plans might be in place but it'll not go ahead like. Mainly because it's a really really s*** short-sighted idea that even Fifa aren't stupid enough to endorse.

I can't stand man utd or their fans but there is no way that their core support would tolerate that without a massive f***ing boot off. That said, they'll have a ready made lower league team to watch instead by then anyway.

Can't see many German teams going through with it either given that fans can effectively control their decision making.


Shame like, I'd really like the idea of a competitive English league without the"super six" and all the hype that comes with it.

It would be f***ing class if the Premier League formed a breakaway league of just the top six with no relegation or promotion.  Then those plastic pricks could w*** each other off to death and drown in money while the rest of the country can have a functioning league without enduring Sky's endless hype or paying £20 for a pie and a pint.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: summerof69 on Friday 2 November 2018, 10:54:51 PM
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Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Wullie on Friday 2 November 2018, 11:00:55 PM
I don't ever see it happening, the concept is fundamentally flawed and goes against what all these clubs want, i.e. to be the best. If they all go off together and play each other every week, and now your club is finishing 8th every year, suddenly you're not a super club any more and you've become a European version of Southampton.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: tgarve on Friday 2 November 2018, 11:22:37 PM
Jesus these are pretty big revelations
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Post by: 54 on Friday 2 November 2018, 11:27:33 PM
Football is corruptd, who'd have thought.
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Post by: wormy on Friday 2 November 2018, 11:28:40 PM
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Jesus Christ.

Those reaction pictures in the replies, though. :lol:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Friday 2 November 2018, 11:42:06 PM
Yup. Widespread corruption should definitely be the small print and the top story this f***ing super league. Don't give a s*** if that's hypocritical with it being the main conversation in here; we're not the press. :lol:

(https://i.imgur.com/Kty3K0h.jpg)

Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: HTT on Saturday 3 November 2018, 12:14:19 AM
The whole idea of a break away super league is nothing more than a tool the elite clubs use to extort favouritism and bigger slices of the pie from the FA, Premier League and UEFA who need those clubs because they are big ticket products broadcasters and advertisers pay big bucks for and they in tern use to promote products and services or sell subscriptions too. Sky would struggle if they lost the rights to the PL.

Football is eating iitself from within on the inside out, however, and really it needs rebooted all of it.

Take the Premier League, there are right now only 3 clubs who want to win the league. Man City because the owners and money they have put into the club demand nothing but the best because that’s the only way the brand works. Liverpool because they haven’t won it for so long it’s becoming a noose around their necks. Then there is Chelsea who for me in Abramovic have an owner better than most because it’s about trophies and he put in so much of his own money to make that happen because if he didn’t, it would never have happened. Today they don’t relie on him so much anymore.

The rest... they would like to win the league, but it’s not the goal and doesn’t make any real difference to the bottom end. Arsenal exist to finish in the top 4, Spurs likewise. Man Utd don’t need to win the title, they’ve been there and done that and while fans will p*ss and moan if they don’t, and others will go and support City or Liverpool, there is a conveyer belt who won’t p*ss and moan and will pay top dollar to replace any that stop going or jump ship. Again the bottom line won’t suffer. A Pogba here or Sanchez there is enough to kid fans and carry on the pretence. The Glazers have stolen Man Utd, bought using a loan they have interest rate the f*** out of fans to pay back.

The rest exist just to stay in the division because going down would mean owners and shareholders would have to put in their own money to cover costs and they can’t be doing that. f*** no, not after the money they’ve put in. Money which in reality they haven’t, not to the levels they would have you believe.

They may have used their own money to buy a club or a stake in it, but guess what, that’s not the same as using your money to cover costs year on year or buying players. NUFC owes Mike Ashley not a penny over what he paid to purchase the club and has no debt. I don’t look at my car and say you owe me money. Mike Ashley is not a bank, he’s not a loan. We didn’t lend his money.

UEFA should take away all Europe League places and give them to other countries because any club that qualifies for it doesn’t want to be in it and when they are they don’t take it seriously. Arsenal got to the final and Man Utd won it recently, but not by choice or design.

The League and FA Cup is pointless too, no Premier League club wants to be in it or takes it serious, the elite clubs win it more often than not by default.

I’ve been reading a great book called the Round Game, it’s a great book and has opened my eyes somewhat and shattered any romantic notion I had that the game was once the beautiful game. It’s always been corrupt and compromised by money, business, egos, politics, greed, power and shady characters and had it not, it wouldn’t have taken off and would be akin to a game of rounders today.

The difference now from then though is the sums of money, the motive of owners and the power shifts that have always existed but to and from, there and back. The power has shifted so far though it belongs mainly to a cabal of agents, sovereign states and corporations who own the game lock stock and who decides the outcome.

There is no competition, this isn’t a sport. There is no equality or fair play. 90 minutes doesn’t matter anymore except to us the fans who stupidly turn up in hope that today our team will give us glory and be the best while we are being pick pocketed and robbed, our clubs stolen from us. Blinded by love.

We are all complicit though because we turn a blind eye to it all. If the game were a drug dealer, we are the smack heads addicts. It’s all poison :lol:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 3 November 2018, 12:19:11 AM
I don't ever see it happening, the concept is fundamentally flawed and goes against what all these clubs want, i.e. to be the best. If they all go off together and play each other every week, and now your club is finishing 8th every year, suddenly you're not a super club any more and you've become a European version of Southampton.
yep, so long as the Champions League continues to pay them big it won't happen. Not unless UEFA/FIFA do something really stupid to make them say f*** it we're out and doing our own thing without you and forget taking players for internationals.
Especially have a hard time seeing any of the English clubs being that enthusiastic about it since is it really going to pay more than the premier league tv deal combined with champions league money already does?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: loki679 on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:52:56 AM
Spiegel has a load more stuff up about it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/football-documents-show-secret-plans-for-elite-league-of-top-clubs-a-1236447.html

In a way i'd love to see them p*ss off so the PL can become more competitive and get away from the ridiculous money driven hype machine it's become but i'd also feel for the genuine fans of the teams that are joining.  They're the ones that are getting screwed over the most.

If they do it then i'd hope our FA would take a hard line and refuse to let them rejoin our league system at the top when the novelty has worn off.  Make them start from right at the bottom like any other club has to.

The 11 'founder' teams would be guaranteed a place for 20 years too.  5 'guest' teams scrapping over the relegation spot :lol:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Kaizero on Saturday 3 November 2018, 02:02:39 AM
I don't ever see it happening, the concept is fundamentally flawed and goes against what all these clubs want, i.e. to be the best. If they all go off together and play each other every week, and now your club is finishing 8th every year, suddenly you're not a super club any more and you've become a European version of Southampton.
yep, so long as the Champions League continues to pay them big it won't happen. Not unless UEFA/FIFA do something really stupid to make them say f*** it we're out and doing our own thing without you and forget taking players for internationals.
Especially have a hard time seeing any of the English clubs being that enthusiastic about it since is it really going to pay more than the premier league tv deal combined with champions league money already does?

They can make about ten times more just treading water in the super league than if they win the CL. There’s not enough money available to genuinely compete with what a super league can do for the clubs financially unless UEFA stop paying the «smaller» clubs in the CL their share of the money. Even then, the TV rights for a super league will dwarf the money paid for the CL rights.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: loki679 on Saturday 3 November 2018, 02:17:25 AM
They kind of already are.  Some 'tradition clause' now guarantees Bayern an extra 30m CL revenue before a ball has even been kicked.  The other big clubs will undoubtedly be getting about the same.

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The solution found with UEFA will be beneficial primarily to the top clubs. Thanks to the new regulations, they will receive more money than ever before. The tradition clause alone, which allots greater revenues to those clubs that have found success in the last 10 years in the Champions League and Europa League, will generate over 30 million euros for FC Bayern starting with the 2018/19 Champions League season -- money that is guaranteed even before the club had even played its first game.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stifleaay on Saturday 3 November 2018, 02:21:02 AM
No point in the Premier League if the best six have ditched it. What would winning it even mean? And if you won ten in a row, you couldn't even break into the Super League? It's all pointless.

It would mean being the best in England like it currently does.  If some of the other teams want to become European teams, they are welcome to it.  I'd rather be part of a domestic league that was about football than a European league that was all about money.

Yup. I think people would get over it pretty quickly tbh. At least, fans of the clubs that don't join Europe.

I still don't fully understand how it would be viable in the long run, though. The same European teams competing over and over will get boring, surely? How much of a travelling contingent will you realistically get week in, week out, which would affect atmosphere? It's all well and good relying on the TV money it produces but I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see clubs running back to their domestic leagues in less than a decade. Unfortunately, you know the arseholes in the FA would welcome them back with open arms.

It would be properly s*** if your club did it.  £100 tickets, crowds that were 90% tourists and not being able to do away games.  A bit like following a plastic glory team like Barca or Real Madrid.

:thup: The novelty would wear off within a season imo. Would love it if teams' respective FAs told them to get f***ed if/when they came crawling back.
They won’t. In fact you can bet that they’ll allow them in the domestic cups still, and possibly even allow them to have a B team in the league.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Wullie on Saturday 3 November 2018, 02:34:17 AM
Thread. Big fan of Rory Smith.

Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Kaizero on Saturday 3 November 2018, 02:40:38 AM
They kind of already are.  Some 'tradition clause' now guarantees Bayern an extra 30m CL revenue before a ball has even been kicked.  The other big clubs will undoubtedly be getting about the same.

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The solution found with UEFA will be beneficial primarily to the top clubs. Thanks to the new regulations, they will receive more money than ever before. The tradition clause alone, which allots greater revenues to those clubs that have found success in the last 10 years in the Champions League and Europa League, will generate over 30 million euros for FC Bayern starting with the 2018/19 Champions League season -- money that is guaranteed even before the club had even played its first game.

A pittance compared to what they can make in a closed shop super league. People are vastly underestimating the money these clubs can earn by f***ing off. Now, hopefully it’ll all burn to the ground if they do, but there’s very little UEFA can do to stop it if the clubs make the decision purely from a money perspective and not history/sporting perspectives.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Paully on Saturday 3 November 2018, 06:38:20 AM
So Man City have been running UEFA for years whilst their fans boo the Champions League anthem?!
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: summerof69 on Saturday 3 November 2018, 10:25:16 AM
Mad how some Man City fans seem to think they’re victims in this
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: triggs on Saturday 3 November 2018, 10:50:01 AM
Yup. Widespread corruption should definitely be the small print and the top story this f***ing super league. Don't give a s*** if that's hypocritical with it being the main conversation in here; we're not the press. :lol:

(https://i.imgur.com/Kty3K0h.jpg)

Would almost have liked this to happen just to see how p*ssed off Spurs would have been :lol:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 3 November 2018, 12:58:41 PM
Spiegel has a load more stuff up about it.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/football-documents-show-secret-plans-for-elite-league-of-top-clubs-a-1236447.html

In a way i'd love to see them p*ss off so the PL can become more competitive and get away from the ridiculous money driven hype machine it's become but i'd also feel for the genuine fans of the teams that are joining.  They're the ones that are getting screwed over the most.

If they do it then i'd hope our FA would take a hard line and refuse to let them rejoin our league system at the top when the novelty has worn off.  Make them start from right at the bottom like any other club has to.

The 11 'founder' teams would be guaranteed a place for 20 years too.  5 'guest' teams scrapping over the relegation spot :lol:

Relegation to what though? Its not like they can be relegated to their National League  :lol:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Teasy on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:16:22 PM
They kind of already are.  Some 'tradition clause' now guarantees Bayern an extra 30m CL revenue before a ball has even been kicked.  The other big clubs will undoubtedly be getting about the same.

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The solution found with UEFA will be beneficial primarily to the top clubs. Thanks to the new regulations, they will receive more money than ever before. The tradition clause alone, which allots greater revenues to those clubs that have found success in the last 10 years in the Champions League and Europa League, will generate over 30 million euros for FC Bayern starting with the 2018/19 Champions League season -- money that is guaranteed even before the club had even played its first game.

A pittance compared to what they can make in a closed shop super league. People are vastly underestimating the money these clubs can earn by f***ing off. Now, hopefully it’ll all burn to the ground if they do, but there’s very little UEFA can do to stop it if the clubs make the decision purely from a money perspective and not history/sporting perspectives.

What's this based on though?  The idea that they could earn so much more in a super league as to make the hundreds of millions clubs earn from the Premier and Champions League every year seem like a pittance.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:19:31 PM
They kind of already are.  Some 'tradition clause' now guarantees Bayern an extra 30m CL revenue before a ball has even been kicked.  The other big clubs will undoubtedly be getting about the same.

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The solution found with UEFA will be beneficial primarily to the top clubs. Thanks to the new regulations, they will receive more money than ever before. The tradition clause alone, which allots greater revenues to those clubs that have found success in the last 10 years in the Champions League and Europa League, will generate over 30 million euros for FC Bayern starting with the 2018/19 Champions League season -- money that is guaranteed even before the club had even played its first game.

A pittance compared to what they can make in a closed shop super league. People are vastly underestimating the money these clubs can earn by f***ing off. Now, hopefully it’ll all burn to the ground if they do, but there’s very little UEFA can do to stop it if the clubs make the decision purely from a money perspective and not history/sporting perspectives.

What's this based on exactly? the idea that they could earn so much more in a super league.

Would you not be surprised at a massive TV package that dwarfs the current PL package? Not to mention the price hikes to tickets etc that enough people would probably still be stupid enough to pay.

I still think it would implode within a few years when the novelty wears off but I think it'd make complete financial sense in their eyes at the initial stages.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Teasy on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:25:39 PM
I'd be very surprised yes, the Premier League already dwarfs every other Football competition in the world for TV money and even thats been slowed down a bit with the newest packages.  Not to mention people do actually support other teams in the Premier league outside of the top few.  Those fans aren't going to pay subscription fees only to watch a super league that has no involvement with them.  So significant money will still need to be paid for Premier League rights.  There's only so much cash you can gauge out of people.

I think clubs from some of the other leagues going into a super league will see big improvements in TV money, but for instance Man United?  No I don't see there TV money shooting up to a point where it would make the cash they get now look like a pittance, not even close.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: xLiaaamx on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:27:01 PM
Honestly think it would be the best thing for our league though.

Football will go on like it always did. The national leagues will move on. Provide a cheaper, more local option which will eventually win out. Eventually the "Super League" will just be for African and Asian fans.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sadnesstan on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:28:57 PM
I'd be very surprised yes, the Premier League already dwarfs every other Football competition in the world for TV money and even thats been slowed down a bit with the newest packages.  Not to mention people do actually support other teams in the Premier league outside of the top few.  Those fans aren't going to pay subscription fees only to watch a super league that has no involvement with them.  So significant money will still need to be paid for Premier League rights.  There's only so much cash you can gauge out of people.

I think clubs from some of the other leagues going into a super league will see big improvements in TV money, but for instance Man United?  No I don't see there TV money shooting up to a point where it would make the cash they get now look like a pittance, not even close.

Yeah but think about the kickbacks from the money laundering. A super league would be like a world cup every weekend.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:33:30 PM
I'd be very surprised yes, the Premier League already dwarfs every other Football competition in the world for TV money and even thats been slowed down a bit with the newest packages.  Not to mention people do actually support other teams in the Premier league outside of the top few.  Those fans aren't going to pay subscription fees only to watch a super league that has no involvement with them.  So significant money will still need to be paid for Premier League rights.  There's only so much cash you can gauge out of people.

I think clubs from some of the other leagues going into a super league will see big improvements in TV money, but for instance Man United?  No I don't see there TV money shooting up to a point where it would make the cash they get now look like a pittance, not even close.

Fair enough. I think the fact it would be a global product that would appeal to most of the largest-supported clubs in the world, encompassing the vast majority of glory hunters around would give them a heftier pay packet.

Plus I think they'll heavily target the casual fans in countries where their own leagues aren't of much standard. If those people had a chance to choose the PL or a European league with the most 'desirable' PL clubs in there anyway, I'm pretty sure they'd choose the European league.

I guess agree to disagree. All ifs and buts really.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Gottlob on Saturday 3 November 2018, 01:49:13 PM
I'd be dubious about the long-term success of a Super League too, but if it happened it's all a lot of the big foreign markets would be interested in, and I think the money in the Premier League would plummet. If people are convinced that the Super League really is the best of the best, and the disparity in resources only grows across the first few seasons, then who knows.

Anyway, I've had a cursory read of a few articles, and Manchester City fans seem of the opinion that Financial Fair Play was only implemented at the behest and for the benefit of the established big clubs, i.e. as an exclusionary measure meant to prevent the rise of the likes of them and PSG. According to this perspective, the reduced fines and relative lack of punishment City and PSG have faced, and the implication of behind-closed-doors agreements, owes more to the threat of lawsuits than it does to any good will, favours, etc.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: jdckelly on Saturday 3 November 2018, 02:05:06 PM
I'd be dubious about the long-term success of a Super League too, but if it happened it's all a lot of the big foreign markets would be interested in, and I think the money in the Premier League would plummet. If people are convinced that the Super League really is the best of the best, and the disparity in resources only grows across the first few seasons, then who knows.

Anyway, I've had a cursory read of a few articles, and Manchester City fans seem of the opinion that Financial Fair Play was only implemented at the behest and for the benefit of the established big clubs, i.e. as an exclusionary measure meant to prevent the rise of the likes of them and PSG. According to this perspective, the reduced fines and relative lack of punishment City and PSG have faced, and the implication of behind-closed-doors agreements, owes more to the threat of lawsuits than it does to any good will, favours, etc.
which lets be honest it was, iirc chelsea of all clubs were all in favour of FFP which given how they got where they were is hilarious
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Kaizero on Saturday 3 November 2018, 06:20:02 PM
They kind of already are.  Some 'tradition clause' now guarantees Bayern an extra 30m CL revenue before a ball has even been kicked.  The other big clubs will undoubtedly be getting about the same.

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The solution found with UEFA will be beneficial primarily to the top clubs. Thanks to the new regulations, they will receive more money than ever before. The tradition clause alone, which allots greater revenues to those clubs that have found success in the last 10 years in the Champions League and Europa League, will generate over 30 million euros for FC Bayern starting with the 2018/19 Champions League season -- money that is guaranteed even before the club had even played its first game.

A pittance compared to what they can make in a closed shop super league. People are vastly underestimating the money these clubs can earn by f***ing off. Now, hopefully it’ll all burn to the ground if they do, but there’s very little UEFA can do to stop it if the clubs make the decision purely from a money perspective and not history/sporting perspectives.

What's this based on exactly? the idea that they could earn so much more in a super league.

Would you not be surprised at a massive TV package that dwarfs the current PL package? Not to mention the price hikes to tickets etc that enough people would probably still be stupid enough to pay.

I still think it would implode within a few years when the novelty wears off but I think it'd make complete financial sense in their eyes at the initial stages.

Not to mention the money get in from TV deals, price hikes and extreme exposure the clubs would get - in addition to not having to share it with "s***" teams in their national leagues and european competitions. At this very moment, Crvena Zvezda has made more in TV money from their CL appearances this season than Liverpool (due to going through qualifiers).
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 4 November 2018, 12:13:03 AM
I very rarely watch Champions League games these days, in fact I find the Europa League more competitive than the Champioons League. I don’t watch El Classico, etc. Even this pre-season Champions Cup doesn’t get enough interest to get fans attending to fill out the stadiums. A European Super League would only be decent for a few years until the novelty wore off. If our top 5-6 teams want to f*** over to that then let them. Pretty sure Man Utd would start losing fans and commercial deals when they start struggling in mid table year after year. Only Man City would be good enough to provide a title challenge for it.
f*** them and let them go. All in all we don’t need them. Ok TV money will go down, but our clubs will withstand it and adjust accordingly. Let them go and never darken our door again.
Also why the f*** should PSG be allowed in the league? They are club that’s only 40-50 years old, don’t have their own stadium, and have recently just came into money to give them the allusion of being a mega-club.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 4 November 2018, 12:15:01 AM
I'd be dubious about the long-term success of a Super League too, but if it happened it's all a lot of the big foreign markets would be interested in, and I think the money in the Premier League would plummet. If people are convinced that the Super League really is the best of the best, and the disparity in resources only grows across the first few seasons, then who knows.

Anyway, I've had a cursory read of a few articles, and Manchester City fans seem of the opinion that Financial Fair Play was only implemented at the behest and for the benefit of the established big clubs, i.e. as an exclusionary measure meant to prevent the rise of the likes of them and PSG. According to this perspective, the reduced fines and relative lack of punishment City and PSG have faced, and the implication of behind-closed-doors agreements, owes more to the threat of lawsuits than it does to any good will, favours, etc.
which lets be honest it was, iirc chelsea of all clubs were all in favour of FFP which given how they got where they were is hilarious
Makes loads of sense. Closing a loophole which would allows others to compete with you after you have used that loophole to compete with others you wouldn’t ordinarily be able to makes loads of sense as it’s preventing competition after giving yourself a the boost you needed.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: HaydnNUFC on Sunday 4 November 2018, 12:39:49 AM
Don't get the super league theory tbh. Do we not already have one in the Champions League?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Kaizero on Sunday 4 November 2018, 12:44:39 AM
Don't get the super league theory tbh. Do we not already have one in the Champions League?

The TV money and such get shared with "s***" clubs that only, in the eyes of the big clubs, make up the numbers. It's the same argument they use against the national leagues.

Think UEFAs only way out of the formation of a super league in the near future is to establish a new version of the CL where "super" clubs have guaranteed access and there's no teams from "s***" countries.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stottie on Sunday 4 November 2018, 12:56:55 AM
If the alternative is the bigger clubs pushing for a huge chunk of the TV money like in La Liga, we would be better off telling them to do one and form their own league.

Feel free to snipe at them, but Tottenham are well run, so is excluding them sending a message? Is it just an indication of how much of a closed shop they want? You either need current success through megabucks or to be established through unforgotten former glories to be in.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sadnesstan on Sunday 4 November 2018, 01:38:43 AM
Once they've got VAR up to speed they'll be able to program the electronic advertising boards to show, country specific ads. Imagine being able to sell the same ad space in every country.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: tgarve on Sunday 4 November 2018, 01:58:13 AM
Imagine being able to talk using grammar
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 4 November 2018, 01:59:02 AM
The English clubs really think more highly of themselves then they are.
No one likes Man Utd, same with Chelsea who are the tramps who won the lottery. No one can compete with Man City, the only possible team out of them who you might say would be a miss is Liverpool, even then I think the majority of fans of other clubs would welcome them doing one.
The businessmen who run other clubs will miss those teams until the league settles without them, the fans will not.

They have been talking of this super league for 15-20 years, just f*** off already.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 4 November 2018, 04:29:01 AM
If this does happen the premier League and it's revenues disappear. People can hate the big club's as much as they like but they are the revenue generators.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: loki679 on Sunday 4 November 2018, 04:40:52 AM
If this does happen the premier League and it's revenues disappear. People can hate the big club's as much as they like but they are the revenue generators.

Win win then.  Bring it on :thup:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 4 November 2018, 04:51:04 AM
I'm not sure the long term affect is win-win but I understand the sentiment.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: r0cafella on Sunday 4 November 2018, 11:50:31 AM
To the big clubs this is irrelevant doesn't generate them any revenue.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stifleaay on Sunday 4 November 2018, 12:35:21 PM
How much is it going to cost for fans to travel over to the continent every weekend to watch a football match?
In all fairness let’s say we got invited (not happening). It would be cheaper for me to travel to Barcelona, Madrid, Amsterdam, Paris etc then it would be to travel to London. Of course the price of away tickets will be much higher than a Premier League ticket, everything else though would be cheaper than say travelling to London.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Wullie on Sunday 4 November 2018, 12:53:48 PM
How much does a coach to London cost like?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: HTT on Sunday 4 November 2018, 04:01:57 PM
A break away league will never happen, it’s a threat.

If it did those wanting back in would have to start at the bottom of the footy pyramid should be the rule.

It would reduce TV money, but would even itself out in time and make things more competitive for the remaining clubs. Mind the formula would in time also produce the same results with some clubs being able to outspend others so a new top 4 would emerge or a dominant force. But clubs wouldn’t rely so much on TV money or sponsors to do that or becom the only way.

One of the reasons the Championship, although low on quality, is so tough and competitive is because big gates and big budgets doesn’t always make the difference, in fact it’s often the opposite so it becomes more about the actual football and gives clubs a more even chance.

I’d welcome that even if it meant losing the likes of Man Utd and players like Salah, Hazard et al.

You want your club to play the best teams of course that’s why it’s the top flight everyone wants to join in a sporting sense because it contains the top teams, but at the end of the day that’s not the reason why we turn up, we turn up to watch our own teams to give it their best for 90 minutes and at the moment the game is unequal, uncompetitive and unfair in ways where 90% of the time the outcome is predictable and a formality based on financial clout. Be it individual games, the top of the table or silverware.

The Premier League used to be so exciting even if it didn’t have the best players playing here or best managers or if teams from other leagues were better than our teams. Today staying up or finishing mid-table is having a great season. Back then that was finishing 6th or qualifying for Europe which a lot of clubs could aim for from Norwich to a newly promoted Forest or Leicester.

The elite clubs won’t leave though, but I can see as the TV money stays the same or drops, individual clubs using their clout and the threat of breaking away to negotiate individual deals to make more money just for themselves, PPV only fixtures being played in the States with TV companies and advertisers competing to televise and sponsor it for example. Man City vs Man Utd. Like. Boxing match. They could make lots of money making fans pay to join a scheme to give them a chance to get a ticket to such a game or a package, ticket, flights, hotel, player meet and greet, lead the team out etc. People would pay top dollar for such an ‘experience’, individuals, celebrities or businesses.

NUFC would be lucky to make 300k profit on a match day with a full house, imagine getting even 5m just for one game hosted in the States or China. I can see that happening, it’s already been explored.

By the way players and clubs like our own made more money playing exhibition matches in say Brazil in the 30s than they did all season domestically so it’s nothing new.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: HTT on Sunday 4 November 2018, 04:02:44 PM
How much does a coach to London cost like?

1 pound Megabus told me.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: chopey on Sunday 4 November 2018, 04:08:15 PM
One of my apprentices went to Manchester on the Megabus and it cost £15 and took 5 hours.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: HTT on Sunday 4 November 2018, 04:09:36 PM
One of my apprentices went to Manchester on the Megabus and it cost £15 and took 5 hours.

Was it James Milner?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: chopey on Sunday 4 November 2018, 06:40:02 PM
One of my apprentices went to Manchester on the Megabus and it cost £15 and took 5 hours.

Was it James Milner?

No, I dont think we have a James Milner at work
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 4 November 2018, 06:51:38 PM
Not suggesting I would like to see it happen, but the general format of the following might be the best shot:

One or two Super Leagues consisting of the best teams in Europe playing each other 2x times a season with a winner and relegation spots. 

The rest of the domestic leagues carries on as normal - but the teams that are promoted to the super league are the Champions League winners and Europa League winners. (So, the winner of the CL for the following season competes in Super League 1 and the winner of the Europa League in Super League 2)

Have a w*** on that, Infantino!
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sadnesstan on Sunday 4 November 2018, 06:54:03 PM
Not suggesting I would like to see it happen, but the general format of the following might be the best shot:

One or two Super Leagues consisting of the best teams in Europe playing each other 2x times a season with a winner and relegation spots. 

The rest of the domestic leagues carries on as normal - but the teams that are promoted to the super league are the Champions League winners and Europa League winners. (So, the winner of the CL for the following season competes in Super League 1 and the winner of the Europa League in Super League 2)

Have a w*** on that, Infantino!

What if the champions league winners come from a different country to the  relegated club?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Dinho lad on Sunday 4 November 2018, 07:05:30 PM
Scenario: If Man City get relegated from Super League 1, they f*** off back to the PL and if Celtic win the CL, they play in Super League 1 (:anguish:).

Possible solution: The Super League is to finish x weeks before the conclusion of the domestic season in order to 'give notice' to the PL clubs that a fourth relegation spot would be 'up for grabs'. :lol:   

Spoiler
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(Similar principle in Scotland)
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: David Edgar on Sunday 4 November 2018, 07:27:17 PM

Jeeeez.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Sunday 4 November 2018, 07:34:10 PM

Jeeeez.

Roma's bantstastic Twitter is bad enough. That video is just sad. :(
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: David Edgar on Sunday 4 November 2018, 07:36:01 PM
The baby bear makes it in the end :thup:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Sunday 4 November 2018, 07:47:20 PM
The baby bear makes it in the end :thup:

:aww:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Raconteur on Monday 5 November 2018, 12:14:51 AM
I would have thought there's no reasons for the clubs to "break away" from their national leagues. They could maintain a presence in the PL (Liga, Serie A et al) but focus their energies on the Super League. All of those clubs could afford maintain a 25 man Super League squad and a national league squad comprised of reserves and fringe players. Imagine a Chelsea PL team of all their loan players! Whilst Hazard is doing it in the Super League, Loftus-Cheek could be playing first-team football...

The obvious reply is for the leagues to tell them to do one. But would they? They could sell a rights package that was still "intact" if diminished. The remaining clubs would be happy to sign off on a league in which the best five teams are brought closer to the pack. Less money, sure, but they agree to less, or have a lot less forced on them.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Paully on Monday 5 November 2018, 02:26:36 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/manchester-city-exposed-bending-the-rules-to-the-tune-of-millions-a-1236346.html
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: timeEd32 on Monday 5 November 2018, 02:53:29 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/manchester-city-exposed-bending-the-rules-to-the-tune-of-millions-a-1236346.html

Unreal to see it all spelled out like that.

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Apparently, companies like Etihad in Abu Dhabi wait for the Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG), the holding company that belongs to Sheikh Mansour and which also owns Manchester City, to wire them money. That money is then "routed through the partners and they then forward onto us," wrote Finance Director Andrew Widdowson in an email. That, at least, is how things were done in 2015: At the time, the deal with Etihad was bringing in 67.5 million pounds annually. But Chief Financial Officer Chumillas emphasized in an email to Pearce: "Please note that out of those 67.5m pounds, 8m pounds should be funded directly by Etihad and 59.5 by ADUG.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: David Edgar on Monday 5 November 2018, 06:53:17 PM
It has made the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46101803

Take away their titles.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: chopey on Monday 5 November 2018, 07:38:35 PM
FFP rules have always meant big clubs can get bigger by just agreeing to more sponsorship, small clubs with restricted income like Newcastle will never compete, I dont see how any of the current FFP rules have been broken here
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Monday 5 November 2018, 08:26:23 PM
It has made the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46101803

Take away their titles.

:lol: 'deceived'. Didn't the general public call it out as dodgy as soon as the insanely high 'sponsorships' were announced? I'm sure UEFA had no idea, though.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: timeEd32 on Monday 5 November 2018, 09:27:21 PM
FFP rules have always meant big clubs can get bigger by just agreeing to more sponsorship, small clubs with restricted income like Newcastle will never compete, I dont see how any of the current FFP rules have been broken here

Seriously? They are amending sponsorship agreements after the fact and funneling money from the club's owners through a sponsor and into the club. They'd be happy to admit to you that they are breaking the rules because they don't give a f***. What is UEFA going to do?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: chopey on Monday 5 November 2018, 09:58:42 PM
FFP rules have always meant big clubs can get bigger by just agreeing to more sponsorship, small clubs with restricted income like Newcastle will never compete, I dont see how any of the current FFP rules have been broken here

Seriously? They are amending sponsorship agreements after the fact and funneling money from the club's owners through a sponsor and into the club. They'd be happy to admit to you that they are breaking the rules because they don't give a f***. What is UEFA going to do?

A big fine, that will sort them right out.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sadnesstan on Monday 5 November 2018, 10:09:23 PM
In a sense, if both parties know what is going on it's essentially a completely legal bribe.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Paully on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 11:45:49 AM
Part 2

http://www.spiegel.de/international/manchester-city-and-the-fight-against-financial-fairplay-a-1236347-amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Toonjam88 on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 12:17:26 PM
Unbelievable reading all that, football is well and truly f***ed.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: manorpark on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 12:42:36 PM
FFP rules have always meant big clubs can get bigger by just agreeing to more sponsorship, small clubs with restricted income like Newcastle will never compete, I dont see how any of the current FFP rules have been broken here



While it is 'reality' at the moment, I can never get used to reading and hearing things like the above, where the sentence "Small clubs like Newcastle United" is written.

If you supported Newcastle United through the 1990s and 2000s, we were a fabulously rich 'big' club (whatever your definition) so it is difficult to accept casually and routinely written statements like the above.

This is the world we were in . . . https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=72784611&postcount=208
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: wormy on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 12:45:17 PM
Unbelievable reading all that, football is well and truly f***ed.

The most insane thing about all of this is you can guarantee not a single f***ing punishment of substance will come out of this.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: geordiedean on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 01:54:58 PM
Ive always suspected for a while that money laundering was going on at the likes of City,Chelsea,PSG etc its got to be man
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: jdckelly on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 02:33:47 PM
you know I honestly don't give half a s*** about City PSG etc ignoring FFP rules
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Toonjam88 on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 03:08:24 PM
Unbelievable reading all that, football is well and truly f***ed.

The most insane thing about all of this is you can guarantee not a single f***ing punishment of substance will come out of this.
Exactly  :snod:
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: summerof69 on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 05:45:42 PM
Need to find a way of bringing fan ownership universally it’s the only thing that will save football imo
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Odear on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 06:34:44 PM
Aye. “Now Manchester City, you’ve been very naughty, we want you to think of an appropriate punishment and ensure that you enact this. We won’t be checking to see if you did so we’re trusting that this will be done”
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Mattoon on Tuesday 6 November 2018, 10:27:17 PM
Aye. “Now Manchester City, you’ve been very naughty, we want you to think of an appropriate punishment and ensure that you enact this. We won’t be checking to see if you did so we’re trusting that this will be done”


We're not angry, we're just really disappointed, now go over there and think about what you have done.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 10:08:28 AM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hypocrisy-of-manchester-city-fans-whose-loyalty-is-blind-to-truth-z5nxpwt8b
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Disco on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 10:31:17 AM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html#ref=rss

Nothing particularly new in that one.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Paully on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 12:42:41 PM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Menace on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 12:46:44 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html#ref=rss

Nothing particularly new in that one.

s**** tbh. Herp derp UAE slavery herp derp.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 01:44:42 PM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html

I don't think it's that big of a deal the players trying to get as much as they can out of the clubs. They are the talent, and its applicable in every job. You always want better pay.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sadnesstan on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 02:19:20 PM
It's no big deal  if somebody earning £1000 pw wants an extra £200 but wen you already earn an annual salary each week you can get to f***.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Mattoon on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 02:23:41 PM
I think the problem lies with what these clubs are willing to pay than what the demands are. People will try and get away with what they can until someone puts their foot down tbh.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Minhosa on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 02:31:33 PM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html


That's basically the modern day equivalent of Gazza wanting a sunbed for his sister etc tbh.

Players are gonna try it on. It's up to the clubs to draw the line where they see fit.

Not that big of a deal imho.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Nobody on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 05:19:07 PM
Aye. “Now Manchester City, you’ve been very naughty, we want you to think of an appropriate punishment and ensure that you enact this. We won’t be checking to see if you did so we’re trusting that this will be done”


We're not angry, we're just really disappointed, now go over there and think about what you have done.
https://youtu.be/UIPSvIz9NDs
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Bimpy474 on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 05:27:07 PM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html

This s*** drives me mad, i get the player gets as much as he can when he signs but ffs, pay for your own plane, it's not like the spoilt t*** isn't earning enough.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: 54 on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 06:14:21 PM
Infantino saying that players who play in this breakaway league will be banned from participating for there country at a World Cup.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: triggs on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 06:50:43 PM
The Super League is never ever going to happen
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: ManDoon on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 07:05:53 PM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html


That's basically the modern day equivalent of Gazza wanting a sunbed for his sister etc tbh.

Players are gonna try it on. It's up to the clubs to draw the line where they see fit.

Not that big of a deal imho.

Agreed. And I'd much rather the players profited heavily from the game than scumbag owners and oil barons. End of the day its a short career, with possible long term health effects. Yeah its awesome and we'd all love to play pro but it's got drawbacks
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Dinho lad on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 07:13:03 PM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html

This s*** drives me mad, i get the player gets as much as he can when he signs but ffs, pay for your own plane, it's not like the spoilt t*** isn't earning enough.

I suppose as professionals they must be 'in conduct' 24/7 and therefore it's not unreasonable to demand stuff for your life 'outside' of football. (where there is no such thing as 'outside' due to the professional demands of the game)

Hard life, though!

Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: jdckelly on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 07:56:46 PM
Infantino saying that players who play in this breakaway league will be banned from participating for there country at a World Cup.
that will only encourage the clubs to start it, international football must really p*ss off most top level clubs given the money spent on players and all it takes is one bad tackle and suddenly he's worthless
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Pandamninator on Wednesday 7 November 2018, 11:54:33 PM
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/manchester-city-exposed-chapter-3-recruiting-pep-guardiola-a-1236621.html#ref=rss

Nothing particularly new in that one.

s**** tbh. Herp derp UAE slavery herp derp.

That whole article felt forced, the whole Guardiola thing especially just felt like they accidentally copy and pasted a section from another article.  Is it any secret that he is getting paid a s*** tonne of money and that the deal was done well in advanced of him starting the job?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Teasy on Thursday 8 November 2018, 12:38:50 AM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html


That's basically the modern day equivalent of Gazza wanting a sunbed for his sister etc tbh.

Players are gonna try it on. It's up to the clubs to draw the line where they see fit.

Not that big of a deal imho.

He's allowed to ask, yes and its up to the club to draw the line, yes.  None of that changes the fact the bloke is obviously a complete and utter tosser to be asking for a private plane with what he's on.


Agreed. And I'd much rather the players profited heavily from the game than scumbag owners and oil barons. End of the day its a short career, with possible long term health effects. Yeah its awesome and we'd all love to play pro but it's got drawbacks

What?  You make it sound like he's risking his health ffs..  What long term health effects does it have vs people who actually work for a living?, what drawbacks?  Its a short career, that already guarantees him £40m even if he never plays another game in his life.  But aye he needs a plane.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 8 November 2018, 12:59:56 AM
Kylian Mbappe 'wanted PSG to provide him with a private jet'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6362761/Kylian-Mbappe-wanted-PSG-provide-private-jet-contract.html


That's basically the modern day equivalent of Gazza wanting a sunbed for his sister etc tbh.

Players are gonna try it on. It's up to the clubs to draw the line where they see fit.

Not that big of a deal imho.

He's allowed to ask, yes and its up to the club to draw the line, yes.  None of that changes the fact the bloke is obviously a complete and utter tosser to be asking for a private plane with what he's on.


Agreed. And I'd much rather the players profited heavily from the game than scumbag owners and oil barons. End of the day its a short career, with possible long term health effects. Yeah its awesome and we'd all love to play pro but it's got drawbacks

What?  You make it sound like he's risking his health ffs..  What long term health effects does it have vs people who actually work for a living?, what drawbacks?  Its a short career, that already guarantees him £40m even if he never plays another game in his life.  But aye he needs a plane.

Are you serious? You don't reckon playing physical sport for ten years is going to have some impact on your body?Long term f***ed knees, back, ankles. Heading the ball for ten years aint good for you either, you not see the documentary Shearer did?  See what happened to Mason?  Jeff Astle? They are seeing CTE in football players. You gonna get that in the office like?
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: LRD on Thursday 8 November 2018, 01:11:46 AM
It's pointless comparing different industries like. :lol:

In any case, it's human nature to seek the best deal you can get, be it the average man or a top footballer. That's why you have contract negotiations, especially with oil-rich owners, that you test the waters to see how far you can go. And I couldn't care less about saving money for rich Middle East countries.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: triggs on Thursday 8 November 2018, 01:46:25 AM
I’d rather Mbappe got more money than the murdering human rights abusers who made PSG and Man City big clubs keeping it
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Ketsbaia on Thursday 8 November 2018, 02:00:15 AM
Can't criticise Kylian Mbappe - he's the next global phenomenon and, to me, is absolutely perfect.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Raconteur on Thursday 8 November 2018, 08:32:22 AM
Can't criticise Kylian Mbappe - he's the next global phenomenon and, to me, is absolutely perfect.

If there’s one player in the world who can say, “Nah, but I want a jet chucked in”, it’s Mbappe.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: ManDoon on Thursday 8 November 2018, 11:33:21 AM
It's pointless comparing different industries like. :lol:

In any case, it's human nature to seek the best deal you can get, be it the average man or a top footballer. That's why you have contract negotiations, especially with oil-rich owners, that you test the waters to see how far you can go. And I couldn't care less about saving money for rich Middle East countries.

Well aye, I agree. I'm saying it's an industry with inherent risk, and I personally don't care what they players make as I'd much rather the obscene riches were going their way and not some rich bloke's back pocket. If I was in a position to ask for a private jet I probably would too
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Ian W on Thursday 8 November 2018, 04:55:54 PM
Can't criticise Kylian Mbappe - he's the next global phenomenon and, to me, is absolutely perfect.

Alright Love Actually.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Kaizero on Friday 9 November 2018, 06:10:00 PM
Neymar gets paid £4.2 Million a year extra if he claps the fans after the game.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Dinho lad on Friday 9 November 2018, 09:20:47 PM
Life's is one f***ed up s***.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sadnesstan on Saturday 10 November 2018, 03:17:05 AM
Life's is one f***ed up s***.

But he's got every right to ask for more... It's a short career you know... poorly knees...

I hope some autistic has a fit and sues the f*** out of hm.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Dinho lad on Saturday 10 November 2018, 11:55:58 AM
It's just the thought that for merely clapping the fans, a tit like Neymar gets paid the sort of money millions and millions of people work a lifetime for in order to buy a house.

It's not necessarily a dig at Neymar, it's just a dig at life! ('Life is a beauty' is my saying! :yao:)
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: geordiedean on Saturday 10 November 2018, 12:10:29 PM
It's just the thought that for merely clapping the fans, a tit like Neymar gets paid the sort of money millions and millions of people work a lifetime for in order to buy a house.

It's not necessarily a dig at Neymar, it's just a dig at life! ('Life is a beauty' is my saying! :yao:)

A lot of these people have completely lost touch with reality money wise. Neymar gets an extra 80k a week just for applauding fans that pay to watch him and Floyd Mayweather pays 18M for a watch......Absolute madness
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: sadnesstan on Saturday 10 November 2018, 12:59:40 PM
Neymar gets paid £4.2 Million a year extra if he claps the fans after the game.

Is that entirely true? It could be that he loses 80k if he doesn't applaud.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Kaizero on Saturday 10 November 2018, 01:09:08 PM
Neymar gets paid £4.2 Million a year extra if he claps the fans after the game.

Is that entirely true? It could be that he loses 80k if he doesn't applaud.

It's how it's reported in Football Leaks. It's a bonus he gets for applauding fans.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Disco on Thursday 7 March 2019, 06:30:22 PM
UEFA investigating City.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: TBG on Thursday 7 March 2019, 06:37:45 PM
Oh noeeessss
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Tiresias on Thursday 7 March 2019, 07:50:22 PM
Talk about them being banned from the champions league, suspect they'll get everything short of that cos can't have one of their big brands missing out
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stifleaay on Thursday 7 March 2019, 07:59:00 PM
It will come to nothing more than s fine that they can easily pay off by increasing their sponsorship in order to cover.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: triggs on Thursday 7 March 2019, 08:20:32 PM
Talk about them being banned from the champions league, suspect they'll get everything short of that cos can't have one of their big brands missing out
Are Man City a big brand? They're just plastic and nobody cares about them
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Chicane on Thursday 7 March 2019, 08:28:40 PM
Pep is a brand in and of himself
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: jdckelly on Thursday 7 March 2019, 11:23:01 PM
Talk about them being banned from the champions league, suspect they'll get everything short of that cos can't have one of their big brands missing out
Are Man City a big brand? They're just plastic and nobody cares about them
maybe, maybe not what will terrify uefa is getting dragged into a real court and potentially their ffp rules getting declared illegal so I'd be willing to bet on a fine and harsh telling off
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Disco on Friday 8 March 2019, 12:40:45 AM
Talk about them being banned from the champions league, suspect they'll get everything short of that cos can't have one of their big brands missing out
Are Man City a big brand? They're just plastic and nobody cares about them

Wider world I would imagine so.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Optimistic Nut on Friday 8 March 2019, 09:04:39 AM
I find the stick Man City and their fans get from our fans odd, tbh. Before their takeover and Robinho I always considered them a similar sort of club to us.

We rarely sold out our Champions League games from what I remember yetvthis seems a stick that people seem to beat these up about. Naturally when you become more successful and accustomed to the CL or Wembley finals etc, some of the magic will wane. It’s hardly a rich part of the country and costs will come into play.

If Newcastle ever became successful long term it’d likely be due to a City or Chelsea style takeover and crazy spending. I’d be surprised if crowds etc would be too dissimilar. Only difference is we’d likeky still sell out all league tickets.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: triggs on Friday 8 March 2019, 09:06:11 AM
I find the stick Man City and their fans get from our fans odd, tbh. Before their takeover and Robinho I always considered them a similar sort of club to us.

We rarely sold out our Champions League games from what I remember yetvthis seems a stick that people seem to beat these up about. Naturally when you become more successful and accustomed to the CL or Wembley finals etc, some of the magic will wane. It’s hardly a rich part of the country and costs will come into play.

If Newcastle ever became successful long term it’d likely be due to a City or Chelsea style takeover and crazy spending. I’d be surprised if crowds etc would be too dissimilar. Only difference is we’d likeky still sell out all league tickets.
I just hate them cos they’re a propaganda tool for murderers and slave drivers tbf
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Sho'Time on Friday 8 March 2019, 09:07:49 AM
I doubt it. If Liverpool can max out Anfield, Newcastle could get the same number at least in SJP.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Turnstile on Friday 8 March 2019, 09:36:43 AM
I find the stick Man City and their fans get from our fans odd, tbh. Before their takeover and Robinho I always considered them a similar sort of club to us.

We rarely sold out our Champions League games from what I remember yetvthis seems a stick that people seem to beat these up about. Naturally when you become more successful and accustomed to the CL or Wembley finals etc, some of the magic will wane. It’s hardly a rich part of the country and costs will come into play.

If Newcastle ever became successful long term it’d likely be due to a City or Chelsea style takeover and crazy spending. I’d be surprised if crowds etc would be too dissimilar. Only difference is we’d likeky still sell out all league tickets.

From what I remember Champions League games were sold out the first season 97/98 before the ground expansion. Second time around 02/03 when the ground was 52,000 there were empty seats. Midweek games very rarely sell out it seems, regardless of competition or opposition. There's logical explanations for that I guess.

The surprise with Man City for me is the empty seats at their weekend Premier League games, that's whether they are set to win the league or the reigning champions. Not sure why they felt they had to up their capacity a few years ago.

Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Colo's Short and Curlies on Friday 8 March 2019, 10:00:59 AM
I find the stick Man City and their fans get from our fans odd, tbh. Before their takeover and Robinho I always considered them a similar sort of club to us.

We rarely sold out our Champions League games from what I remember yetvthis seems a stick that people seem to beat these up about. Naturally when you become more successful and accustomed to the CL or Wembley finals etc, some of the magic will wane. It’s hardly a rich part of the country and costs will come into play.

If Newcastle ever became successful long term it’d likely be due to a City or Chelsea style takeover and crazy spending. I’d be surprised if crowds etc would be too dissimilar. Only difference is we’d likeky still sell out all league tickets.

From what I remember Champions League games were sold out the first season 97/98 before the ground expansion. Second time around 02/03 when the ground was 52,000 there were empty seats. Midweek games very rarely sell out it seems, regardless of competition or opposition. There's logical explanations for that I guess.

The surprise with Man City for me is the empty seats at their weekend Premier League games, that's whether they are set to win the league or the reigning champions. Not sure why they felt they had to up their capacity a few years ago.



Penis waving probably, a max capacity figure is something else to crow about and if rivals are increasing then they will too
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: Stifleaay on Friday 8 March 2019, 03:15:57 PM
If you speak to Man City fans from before they got rich then they are often honest that their supporter base is somewhere between to 30k-40k mark. The owners will have upped the capacity in the anticipation that Man Utd will continue to stagnate and they can become the most successful club in the North, and then the kids in Manchester and glory hunters will jump on board.
Title: Re: Football Leaks
Post by: DJ_NUFC on Saturday 1 June 2019, 05:47:23 PM
This just received a fabulous, long read in the typical New Yorker fashion:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/06/03/how-football-leaks-is-exposing-corruption-in-european-soccer

Great Saturday reading. Football is f***ed.