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Spot on, that.

Probably clubs like Man Utd & Arsenal whinging.

It’s all about who’s got the biggest Sheikh.

Creating the CL was the formation of the European (big club) cartel. FFP is merely the drawbridge they've created to protect themselves. City will take their rap on the knuckles and rejoin in a year or two. The money will continue to roll in, the biggest get bigger and if you're not in the club now you never fucking will be.

Creating the CL was the formation of the European (big club) cartel. FFP is merely the drawbridge they've created to protect themselves. City will take their rap on the knuckles and rejoin in a year or two. The money will continue to roll in, the biggest get bigger and if you're not in the club now you never fucking will be.

Yep. This is the worst thing to happen to the game yet imo. Like I said in a different thread, the sooner the elite fuck off by themselves the better.

Creating the CL was the formation of the European (big club) cartel. FFP is merely the drawbridge they've created to protect themselves. City will take their rap on the knuckles and rejoin in a year or two. The money will continue to roll in, the biggest get bigger and if you're not in the club now you never fucking will be.

 

Yep. This is the worst thing to happen to the game yet imo. Like I said in a different thread, the sooner the elite fuck off by themselves the better.

Agree totally. Let City, Man U, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and Liverpool join a European superleague. Throw real, barca, atletico, benfica, sporting Lisbon, bayern, Dortmund, milan, inter, roma, lazio, Napoli, psg, marseille and zenit in and let the fuckers get on with it.

The best anyone else can expect is to be like Spurs. Take a decade or so to evolve, have to sell your star player most years, finish between 3rd-6th, have the odd title push without realistically winning it, a few cup Semis and Finals, and be happy with our lot. It’s bollocks this.

Absolute joke like. Pretty much stops anyone breaking the elite consistently anymore. We might as well give up now.

 

But don’t the elite exist precisely because of the ridiculous financial situation?

 

It’s barely a sport if the only way to compete is to get a Sheik to put £400m a year in.

 

But the only reason Man City could compete consistently was doing it they way they did.

 

 

 

Tough s***. What Man CIty have done is make it even harder for anyone else to get in. It’s also not guaranteed they wouldn’t have been able to do it without Sheikh Mansour. Don’t get me wrong they wouldn’t have dominated in the way they have, but they have always been a big club, with good owners they’d have been capable of challenging For Champions league spots. I mean Leicester have done it with fewer means at their disposal. With average /forward thinking owners we would have too.

Without the sheikh cash what would have happened is the moment city even got close to cl places the rich clubs pick apart the team like vultures. The rich get richer and everyone else is there to make up the numbers. f*** modern football and everything it stands for

I mean there are three elite clubs in this country. Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal. You could add Chelsea but they’re just the same as Manchester City, in that without a mega rich owner they’d be in that group of about 10 clubs below the elite. It’s absolutely possible Man City could break in to the top 4 and occasionally compete similar to how we did, all those years ago, or how Leicester and Tottenham have today. Maybe big clubs would come in for players, if they were well run they could gradually improve their club and become even more competitive.

Is this not more to do with the fact they lied, then tried to hide it in sponsorship deals. I get PSG and others equally break ffp and fines are handed out, but I think it's the way City have gone about it and being crafty that's seen a large punishment.

Is this not more to do with the fact they lied, then tried to hide it in sponsorship deals. I get PSG and others equally break ffp and fines are handed out, but I think it's the way City have gone about it and being crafty that's seen a large punishment.

So they lie and get a ban if found out, or openly flounce FFP and get sanctions anyway.

The best anyone else can expect is to be like Spurs. Take a decade or so to evolve, have to sell your star player most years, finish between 3rd-6th, have the odd title push without realistically winning it, a few cup Semis and Finals, and be happy with our lot. It’s bollocks this.

It's much better when murderous regimes take over teams and use them as a propaganda tool of course

The best anyone else can expect is to be like Spurs. Take a decade or so to evolve, have to sell your star player most years, finish between 3rd-6th, have the odd title push without realistically winning it, a few cup Semis and Finals, and be happy with our lot. It’s bollocks this.

 

It's much better when murderous regimes take over teams and use them as a propaganda tool of course

Whether it’s these or anyone else, FFP is shite. Let’s just sit back and watch Man Utd & Liverpool race to 30 titles in the next 15-20 years.

Is this not more to do with the fact they lied, then tried to hide it in sponsorship deals. I get PSG and others equally break ffp and fines are handed out, but I think it's the way City have gone about it and being crafty that's seen a large punishment.

Aye, they didn't cooperate with the investigation either. They overstated their revenue. I'm an auditor, in any business that's a pretty big deal

Reading this makes me think how much Man Utd owe Ferguson, to they have spent more than City over the same period with the Glazers taking out millions a year ...................what a fucking machine

Just highlights that the sport is completely broken at the top level. Arguing against FFP so that new clubs can buy the title just shows what a mad situation we’re in.

 

Would Man City have ever had a chance of achieving what they did? Why shouldn’t they be allowed? You’d get the odd ‘blip’ every 25 years maybe but ultimately we’d be sitting watching the same clubs winning everything over and over. UEFA created this beast with the Champions League (clearly to favour and protect the elite), so when an entity like Man City comes along and upset the apple cart, they don’t like it.

It’s not really about whether they should or shouldn’t, I’m more talking about what it says about the league. Football is basically a richest owner competition, not a sport.

Just highlights that the sport is completely broken at the top level. Arguing against FFP so that new clubs can buy the title just shows what a mad situation we’re in.

 

Would Man City have ever had a chance of achieving what they did? Why shouldn’t they be allowed? You’d get the odd ‘blip’ every 25 years maybe but ultimately we’d be sitting watching the same clubs winning everything over and over. UEFA created this beast with the Champions League (clearly to favour and protect the elite), so when an entity like Man City comes along and upset the apple cart, they don’t like it.

 

It’s not really about whether they should or shouldn’t, I’m more talking about what it says about the league. Football is basically a richest owner competition, not a sport.

Well it has to be until it's a franchise tbh.

Did you disagree with our spending in the 90's?

Until you have a draft system etc like the US do, if you don't allow external investment then football would be even worse than it is now.

Don’t see the point in the question about the 90s. Football wasn’t as polarised as it is now and I was a young lad. Pointless comparison.

Don’t see the point in the question about the 90s. Football wasn’t as polarised as it is now and I was a young lad. Pointless comparison.

f*** off, so it was ok for nufc to spend way beyond their means because no one else was doing it and you're a nufc fan?  God, you are gormless at times. 

In 6 months nufc had spent £31m.  When our turnover was £32m.

Don’t see the point in the question about the 90s. Football wasn’t as polarised as it is now and I was a young lad. Pointless comparison.

 

f*** off, so it was ok for nufc to spend way beyond their means because no one else was doing it and you're a nufc fan?  God, you are gormless at times. 

 

In 6 months nufc had spent £31m.  When our turnover was £32m.

Wrong!

Oh and calm down man!

Don’t see the point in the question about the 90s. Football wasn’t as polarised as it is now and I was a young lad. Pointless comparison.

 

f*** off, so it was ok for nufc to spend way beyond their means because no one else was doing it and you're a nufc fan?  God, you are gormless at times. 

 

In 6 months nufc had spent £31m.  When our turnover was £32m.

 

Wrong!

Must be right, you haven't provided an essay.

Wasn't our investment all loans, rather than outside investment? John Hall didn't put his hand in his own pocket for players as far as I know.

Don’t see the point in the question about the 90s. Football wasn’t as polarised as it is now and I was a young lad. Pointless comparison.

 

f*** off, so it was ok for nufc to spend way beyond their means because no one else was doing it and you're a nufc fan?  God, you are gormless at times. 

 

In 6 months nufc had spent £31m.  When our turnover was £32m.

 

Wrong!

 

Must be right, you haven't provided an essay.

Do you think NUFC actually paid out 31m in full in 6 months with an annual turnover of 32m? Really? Under SJH and KK we were self sufficient and every piece of spending was totally in line with the club’s revenues, profits and profitability. The most SJH put in of his own money outside of buying up shares and legal fees, was 50k.

We didn’t spend way beyond our means at any point. We spent less for example in 92-93 than West Ham.

Wasn't our investment all loans, rather than outside investment? John Hall didn't put his hand in his own pocket for players as far as I know.

In short the club spent within its own means using legitimate means as a business without needing financed by someone or another, finance the club were able to easily pay back, short or long term. Neesy is talking absolute bollocks comparing us under SJH/KK to fucking Man City