Success at what cost?

To add yo what I’ve already said, I hope we as fans don’t go in to denial the way Man City fans have, and try and pretend all that bad stuff isn’t happening. Hate when they do that.

Hold on. There's a club owned by a U.S. government controlled investment fund? Who is it? I've got to get a shirt.

we have had terrible owners do terrible things to us as fans:

platinum club

bond schemes

forcing keegan out the first time by turning it into a plc

mechandise made in sweat shops in china

renting warehouses in gibralter that stay empty for cash reasons

massive dividends being trousered by Fat Fred and Halls

 

that is before we get on to the Ashley era.

 

then (assuming we do) get taken over by someone who is going to put money in and run the club properly to try and compete and that is when people on here are protesting.

Aye right, no protesting of past and current ownership on here whatsoever.

Any cost whatsoever. So long as it gets rid of this fat cunt.

We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

 

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.

No, it's because its MY football club.

no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

 

Fuck off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

 

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

 

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?

We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

 

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.

No, it's because its MY football club.

no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

 

Fuck off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

 

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

 

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

 

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

 

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?

no I would love fan ownership and Mr Sandman dancing over the moon.

We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

 

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.

No, it's because its MY football club.

no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

 

Fuck off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

 

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

 

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

 

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

 

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?

no I would love fan ownership and Mr Sandman dancing over the moon.

You’re a child.

We have WWE, Boxing, Tennis, Golf etc etc there and neeone cares.

 

It is getting upset for no reason because it is a football club.

No, it's because its MY football club.

no it isn't. you have boycotted and don't go.. you have no say.

 

Fuck off man. It's our football club because we've supported it all our lives, that won't stop because we refuse to fund the man who is destroying the very fabric of the club.

 

Like I said, I'm conflicted. I'd expect most people with a conscience to be, if you think you can deal with it then that's fine. To act as if it's virtue signalling or in some way contrived to feel uncomfortable about this, I'd be looking at myself if I were you.

 

you would go and enjoy the matchday experience again like we all will. where the money comes from isn't our concern.

 

The matchday experience is not what we are debating here. Of course I'd love to be back at the club, watching us win with a top class manager. That's what everyone here wants.

 

Lots of people here also hold the view that the source of the money that makes us win has a bearing on how they feel about winning, about even supporting, by proxy, that source of money. It's really not that hard to understand. 14 million people at risk of starvation in Yemen and Saudi Arabia are blocking imports and bombing their schools and hospitals? Are they the people you want to own your beloved club?

no I would love fan ownership and Mr Sandman dancing over the moon.

Fine, it's obviously too difficult for you to confront your own hypocrisy.

Fuck them and fuck any involvement in our club. We've got a cunt destroying our club. He's a business man with dubious morality and greed but make no bones about it if this happens we're swapping him for a  mass murderer, someone with the blood of civilians dripping from his hands.

 

It's bad now but at what price success lads fucking hell.

 

 

 

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/yemen

 

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/saudi-arabia-human-rights-raif-badawi-king-salman

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/dec/23/jamal-khashoggi-timeline-of-key-events

 

 

 

fucking great isn't it. if you are that offended by Saudi's I take it you don't put oil or petrol/diesel in your car as that is where if comes from. people get offended over nowt.

I only buy Venezualan oil.

Cans

When I buy petrol I don't put a big Saudi Arabia flag on my car. The money isn't the issue IMO. It's that we would basically be a marketing and propaganda tool for the Saudis

I said how I feel about it but fucking hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

I said how I feel about it but fucking hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

 

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

Same would apply to Ashley too?

Anybody who attends a match, might as well have chopped off the heads themselves imo.

People can say they're fine with this because we all know that the real test will never occur. Right now their actions have nothing to do with the club, so why should any supporter stop supporting just because the new owners have done bad things in the past? But if the time comes [it won't] when they are tried for their crimes against humanity,  this thread should be very interesting.

USA as a dubious source.

 

 

Now I don't agree with most US government actions, but their wealth as a country is not dubious.

It fucking is.

Some real Drama Queens here i'm confident that this takeover won't go through but should it happen i will be absolutely delighted with it, these guys have big plans and being part of it will be massive to the club and the city.

I said how I feel about it but fucking hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

 

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

 

Same would apply to Ashley too?

It does yes. That’s why I’ve not walked away completely. Yes I’ve not been to a game since Chelsea last season and I don’t feel anywhere close to how I used to when we win but I’ll still want them to win

Also my contention with Ashley and why I don’t go is there’s is clear evidence he does not want the club to be competitive so it would be a complete waste of my money.

Some real Drama Queens here i'm confident that this takeover won't go through but should it happen i will be absolutely delighted with it, these guys have big plans and being part of it will be massive to the club and the city.

The last part of that is what makes me conflicted, what would having a successful club do for the city economically? If it was just about football I would probably turn my nose up at it, my interest in football has been reduced to the point that I can't feel as emotional about it as some though. Plus it's not actually going to happen.

Anybody who attends a match, might as well have chopped off the heads themselves imo.

this wins the thread.

makes my wind up posts look miniscule in comparison.

Drama queens. Really? State sanctioned murder. I’d hardly say people being relatably conflicted are being melodramatic.

Surely the elephant in the room is a) what takeover and b) what success?

Spend my NUFC related time worrying we'll never get rid of Ashley and now I'm supposed to worry that we might?!?! Stuff that for a game of soldiers.

The moral quandry can wait until there is one to be had.

I said how I feel about it but fucking hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

 

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

I'm not saying anyone should walk, I'm just saying I hate that our only option to get out of this hell is something potentially even worse.

I said how I feel about it but f***ing hell people seriously cannot be comparing the morality of Ashley and this lot. And the whole “oh you think society is bad but you participate in it!” Argument is so bad. People need petrol to work, live and travel. We don’t have a choice in that. We have a choice in football.

 

We don’t have a choice who buys our football club. Why should people just be expected to walk away because of something they can’t control

 

Never said they should be expected to. Merely that it’s a choice, unlike petrol. It’s up to you if you want to support it. You need petrol to live your life

Got nee legs or bikes in your world?