Mr Misery

Congratulations to the new manager; great result in his first game.

Oh, an online petition, that'll teach em. Yeah I know...it's a waste of time. Ad I said above 100k to be "considered" for a debate. No chance it would happen.

https://www.gov.uk/petition-government

How many do they need for it to be brought up parliament? Unless it's changed, 10000 used to be enough to get it proposed for debate. Doesn't mean it will be debated though, just put to the Speaker 10,000 for a response from Govt; 100,000 "considered" for a debate.

Bruce's biggest fan now apparently.

Your point being? Two points: - The NY Times journalists who won a Pulitzer for their investigation in state funded terrorism know about Saudi Arabia. The analysts at the Department of Treasury in the US know about SA. This guy does not. - Do you boycott petrol too? Of course he does...he knows it from the NY Times journalists (and other sources). He is the Chief Sports writer for The Guardian ffs. You and I know enough about Saudi Arabia anyway to make an informed choice. I have no control over boycotting petrol. If I could buy ethical petrol I would. I will continue to boycott NUFC. Buy an electric car if you care so much May well do the next time we change car. Was Saudi Arabia a drastically different country last time you bought a car? Fair point but I think you're stretching your argument a little. I think there's a difference between essential car use and voluntarily paying to watch a team directly funded by the SA regime. Why? you are providing them with money and you have a choice not to by getting an electric car. Both fundamentally have the same benefit to Saudi Arabia by either buying petrol or spending money with the club. Edit: I for one will continue to consume petrol and spend money with the club. I do not have a choice whether to drive or not*. I may buy an electric car next time out...bloody expensive last time I looked. I do have a choice about putting money into NUFC. *I actually cycle to work and it's the Mrs who drives the car so she is funding the beheaders not me. Generally cheaper. Than a five year old Mondeo?

Your point being? Two points: - The NY Times journalists who won a Pulitzer for their investigation in state funded terrorism know about Saudi Arabia. The analysts at the Department of Treasury in the US know about SA. This guy does not. - Do you boycott petrol too? Of course he does...he knows it from the NY Times journalists (and other sources). He is the Chief Sports writer for The Guardian ffs. You and I know enough about Saudi Arabia anyway to make an informed choice. I have no control over boycotting petrol. If I could buy ethical petrol I would. I will continue to boycott NUFC. Buy an electric car if you care so much May well do the next time we change car. Was Saudi Arabia a drastically different country last time you bought a car? Fair point but I think you're stretching your argument a little. I think there's a difference between essential car use and voluntarily paying to watch a team directly funded by the SA regime. Why? you are providing them with money and you have a choice not to by getting an electric car. Both fundamentally have the same benefit to Saudi Arabia by either buying petrol or spending money with the club. Edit: I for one will continue to consume petrol and spend money with the club. I do not have a choice whether to drive or not*. I may buy an electric car next time out...bloody expensive last time I looked. I do have a choice about putting money into NUFC. *I actually cycle to work and it's the Mrs who drives the car so she is funding the beheaders not me.

Very good.

Your point being? Two points: - The NY Times journalists who won a Pulitzer for their investigation in state funded terrorism know about Saudi Arabia. The analysts at the Department of Treasury in the US know about SA. This guy does not. - Do you boycott petrol too? Of course he does...he knows it from the NY Times journalists (and other sources). He is the Chief Sports writer for The Guardian ffs. You and I know enough about Saudi Arabia anyway to make an informed choice. I have no control over boycotting petrol. If I could buy ethical petrol I would. I will continue to boycott NUFC. Buy an electric car if you care so much May well do the next time we change car. Was Saudi Arabia a drastically different country last time you bought a car? Fair point but I think you're stretching your argument a little. I think there's a difference between essential car use and voluntarily paying to watch a team directly funded by the SA regime.

Your point being? Two points: - The NY Times journalists who won a Pulitzer for their investigation in state funded terrorism know about Saudi Arabia. The analysts at the Department of Treasury in the US know about SA. This guy does not. - Do you boycott petrol too? Of course he does...he knows it from the NY Times journalists (and other sources). He is the Chief Sports writer for The Guardian ffs. You and I know enough about Saudi Arabia anyway to make an informed choice. I have no control over boycotting petrol. If I could buy ethical petrol I would. I will continue to boycott NUFC. Well they do call me Mr Misery.

Your point being? Two points: - The NY Times journalists who won a Pulitzer for their investigation in state funded terrorism know about Saudi Arabia. The analysts at the Department of Treasury in the US know about SA. This guy does not. - Do you boycott petrol too? Of course he does...he knows it from the NY Times journalists (and other sources). He is the Chief Sports writer for The Guardian ffs. You and I know enough about Saudi Arabia anyway to make an informed choice. I have no control over boycotting petrol. If I could buy ethical petrol I would. I will continue to boycott NUFC. Buy an electric car if you care so much May well do the next time we change car.

Great. More new takeover signups How long do you think I've been lurking for?

Your point being? Two points: - The NY Times journalists who won a Pulitzer for their investigation in state funded terrorism know about Saudi Arabia. The analysts at the Department of Treasury in the US know about SA. This guy does not. - Do you boycott petrol too? Of course he does...he knows it from the NY Times journalists (and other sources). He is the Chief Sports writer for The Guardian ffs. You and I know enough about Saudi Arabia anyway to make an informed choice. I have no control over boycotting petrol. If I could buy ethical petrol I would. I will continue to boycott NUFC.

Samsung and Gap so probably guilty on those counts but...37 beheadings in one day?

Hes not said alot wrong there. I think what annoys me is the concentration on sport. If this journalist has a portfolio of articles on Saudi Arabia and how our government deals with them, then I suppose hes earned the right to talk about it. If his first article on the Saudi regime is related to the owning football clubs, then hes kind of missing the point. I think he's an intelligent Lad and knows all about Saudi Arabia but he's a football journalist...truth hurts doesn't it. Out of the frying pan and into the fire we go... The truth doesnt hurt me whatsoever. :lol: Like I say, our government can deal in arms with the Saudis but I cant enjoy some football which is partially funded by them? Na, fuck off. I absolutely get it, there are moral issues to comprehend here but it does all feel very reactionary and targeted. The Saudi royal family and indeed PIF have majority shareholdings all over the shop and have been building a large portfolio for a number of years. No one is boycotting UBER for example, people are even complaining about Saudi ownership on Twitter, you know the platform that has Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud as one their majority shareholders. This is not a defence, but you can't pick and choose your moral outrages. None of these pieces that are questioning the acquisition are mentioning any of the other issues in the West, most pertinently our own government's involvement with Saudi. If you read the Ronay article it is implicit : "In a world where nobody is clean, where every hedge fund is connected to something grey, where even professional journalists struggle to see the difference between the harm done by leveraged buyouts and the moral vacuity of nation-state reputation washing, it is easy to fall into moral relativism, to lose any confidence in the ability to say this is not a desirable outcome. At the end of which Mohammed bin Salman is coming up the path in a black and white striped shirt. And the unregulated, entirely commercial Premier League has taken another decisive step down a path from which it will struggle to return." I'm boycotting Uber.