macphisto

What ever the amount is I can't imagine we'd get more from a company that is not related to PIF (I presume FMV would not apply) than a related 3rd party sponsorship subject to FMV. Obviously just my opinion and hope I'm wrong. All conjecture, but I find the idea that without FMV, PIF would be throwing money at the club through their many companies misleading as their actions so far don't support that.

Not arguing against getting the most from a related party but we don't have any of those deals at all. If we had any of those deals in place then we could discuss how FMV is hurting us but at the moment FMV is a bit of red herring.

To name a few: Stadium sponsor Training ground sponsor Training ground kit sponsor

I'm not missing any point, my original post was replying to the idea that FMV is killing us when there is nothing to support that argument. There are plenty of other avenues available for money to be channelled into the club that haven't been exploited by related 3rd parties.

Yes, could have but there is no indication anyone was willing to pay that for him. There is plenty of other ways PIF could have put money into the club under FMV through sponsorship deals or player transfers but haven't done that.

But we don't have a FMV stadium sponsor, tractor partner or training ground sponsor. It doesn't make sense to suggest that because we can't hyperinflate our deals under FMV that we decide to go the other extreme and not have any at all. You mention Dummett for £50 million. I'm sure we could sell Fraser, Hayden, Ritchie, etc for £5 million per player under FMV but we haven't. Why are we afraid scrutiny @Abacus? What do you think they are afraid of? Try to get double the money for ASM and if it's not allowed then kick-up a bit of a fuss and eventually end up at a figure that's accepted at FMV.

How is it killing us, have any deals been contested? What would be different if it wasn't there?

Was that not customers returning fake clothes and Flannels not checking before putting them back on sale?

Is it not more Adidas? irrespective of the specifics of Newcastle, both Nike and Adidas have a clear strategy of selling more and more of their products through their own channels. In many ways mirroring Sports Direct who also produced and sold their own products (Donna, Everlast, Dunlop, etc.).

Not picking up on your words personally but when we talk about the crowd in the past, which times are we talking about?

I can soon see a situation, certainly next season, where they both force their way into the team. Good problem to have.

It was a great price based on what we can be not on what we were under Ashley.

Would anyone buy the club for much more than what PIF paid? The true value is in our potential so the question is whether FFP allows us to fulfil our potential? I'm confident we can but it will take time.

Did he revolutionize the game or was he just following Rinus Michels' tactics?

While I agree on the general point of NE politicians being useless, in fairness to the council I can't blame them for trying to save money as their budget has been decimated over the last 15 years.