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If St James’ was levelled and a new stadium built on the site, would there be enough land to increase the capacity to 70 or 80k? And if it happened, would the surrounding infrastructure be able to support an extra 20-30k?

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Be surprised. As you’d still be hamstrung by space and adjacent buildings.

 

East Stand you’d have to dig down to rebuild any bigger as it cant go higher or further back.

Gallowgate has a road behind it and also no land thanks our beloved owner.

Milburn has a fairly main road behind it.

Leazes you could fill your boots.

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I still have the original plans somewhere in my house.  I shall try and find them.  I attended an "Open Day" whereupon the Newcastle board showed animated pictures of how the stadium would look.  It was all rather magnificent if I remember correctly.  I was all for it at the time.  Too late now.

 

Newcastle United FC : New Stadium Plans.

The 1997 Proposals . . .

 

 

There have been many proposals over the years (and over the centuries!) for Newcastle United Football Club to either build a new stadium at St James' Park, or to build a new stadium elsewhere.

 

These various proposals are clearly ideal "Newcastle as it might have been" articles, for inclusion on this thread.

 

Just to be different, this time I thought I would start with the most recent set of unrealised plans, and work my way backwards. 

 

So, here is No. 1 . . . the 1997 proposals to build a new stadium a few hundred yards away from St James' Park, on "Castle Leazes Moor".

 

 

To get a CLEAR idea of where this stadium was to be built. At the top of this aerial photo, Castle Leazes Moor and St James' Park, can both be seen . .

http://www.freemenofnewcastle.com/images/MoorsNorthWestLarge.jpg

 

 

Here are the clubs plans (seen from above) for the new stadium on Castle Leazes Moor on the left, with the (St James' Park cut-in-half) St James' Centre, shown on the right . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundPlan.jpg

 

 

A view of the proposed new stadium, at the 'South East' corner, nearest to Leazes Park lake . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-6.jpg

 

 

Another view of the proposed 'Castle Leazes Moor' stadium . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-5.jpg

 

 

This sketch shows the proposed 'Leazes Way' walkway through the enlarged Leazes Park, that would have lead from the new "St James Centre" (proposed indoor stadium on site of St James Park) to the new stadium on Castle Leazes Moor . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-2.jpg

 

 

Another sketch of the proposed stadium, from Leazes park . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-1.jpg

 

 

The "ST JAMES' CENTRE" . . . was an important part of the overall plan.  This was to be an indoor stadium on the site of the current St James' Park. The South Stand and South West corner would remain as they were, the East and Milburn stands would be demolished, and the Sir John Hall stand and corners would be dismantled and re-erected closer to the remaining 'South Stand', to form the indoor stadium . . as shown, with the building over Strawberry Place linking to the 'new build' over St James' Park Metro Station . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-4.jpg

 

 

One of the envisaged advantages of the 'reduced size' St James' Park/Centre, to the immediate area, would be the extended Leazes Park, as shown here where it is overlooked by Leazes Terrace, at the point where the demolished 'East Stand' used to be . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-3.jpg

 

 

Now, the above plans and proposals, in the clubs own words at the time, from their "Newcastle United Football Club VISION STATEMENT" . . .

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/7thMarch2010.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION001.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION002.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION003.jpg

 

 

 

 

Cheers for sharing, I’d imagine that stadium would be outdated now, just look at the current stadium. Me personally I’d never want to move from SJP even if it meant we were capped at he current capacity forever.

 

This is a decent thread to read/discussion from the HOF... https://www.newcastle-online.org/forum/index.php?topic=24093.0

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Wonder what would have been if the MGM partnership came to fruition. The idea behind that is very much how most stadium projects are in the US now - not in the sense of gambling - but in the sense of a massive mixed-use retail (shopping, dining), living (apartments/condos), etc. Being a new epicenter. If the team was continuing to progress and the money entering the club - what could have been? So many more center-city jobs too.

 

 

 

By the way in the US - everyone here points to LA Live - which began construction in late 2005 and the phases were delivered in 2007 - 2009. I mean every single developer who wants to build a stadium across NFL, NBA, MLB or MLS wants to do something like LA Live.

 

https://investors.mgmresorts.com/investors/news-releases/press-release-details/2003/MGM-MIRAGE-and-Newcastle-United-PLC-Announce-Joint-Venture-Agreement/default.aspx

 

 

Read through this press release, It honestly feels like NUFC / MGM was actually ahead of its time creating this JV. Such ambition by our then board.

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Would've been great!

And for £65M aswell!!!😃😃

it would be like all the modern stadiums. a souless meccano style bowl. it was rightly stopped. St James Park forever.

 

Take down the student flats and build them elsewhere to get round listed building regualtions. build over east stand and gallowgate to complete the current ground.

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Would've been great!

And for £65M aswell!!!😃😃

it would be like all the modern stadiums. a souless meccano style bowl. it was rightly stopped. St James Park forever.

 

Take down the student flats and build them elsewhere to get round listed building regualtions. build over east stand and gallowgate to complete the current ground.

 

As long as MA is the owner there is no need to expand, if we get taken over by some mega rich bloke/country then we'll be building a new stadium in time rather than expanding SJP. The time to have a fully complete SJP has passed unfortunately

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The new 1997 Stadium proposals were for the "Castle Leazes" area of the Town Moor NOT for Leazes Park !!!

 

Newcastle United FC : New Stadium Plans.

No. 1 - The 1997 Proposals . . .

 

 

There have been many proposals over the years (and over the centuries!) for Newcastle United Football Club to either build a new stadium at St James' Park, or to build a new stadium elsewhere.

 

These various proposals are clearly ideal "Newcastle as it might have been" articles, for inclusion on this thread.

 

Just to be different, this time I thought I would start with the most recent set of unrealised plans, and work my way backwards. 

 

So, here is No. 1 . . . the 1997 proposals to build a new stadium a few hundred yards away from St James' Park, on "Castle Leazes Moor".

 

 

To get a CLEAR idea of where this stadium was to be built. At the top of this aerial photo, Castle Leazes Moor and St James' Park, can both be seen . .

http://www.freemenofnewcastle.com/images/MoorsNorthWestLarge.jpg

 

 

Here are the clubs plans (seen from above) for the new stadium on Castle Leazes Moor on the left, with the (St James' Park cut-in-half) St James' Centre, shown on the right . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundPlan.jpg

 

 

A view of the proposed new stadium, at the 'South East' corner, nearest to Leazes Park lake . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-6.jpg

 

 

Another view of the proposed 'Castle Leazes Moor' stadium . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-5.jpg

 

 

This sketch shows the proposed 'Leazes Way' walkway through the enlarged Leazes Park, that would have lead from the new "St James Centre" (proposed indoor stadium on site of St James Park) to the new stadium on Castle Leazes Moor . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-2.jpg

 

 

Another sketch of the proposed stadium, from Leazes park . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-1.jpg

 

 

The "ST JAMES' CENTRE" . . . was an important part of the overall plan.  This was to be an indoor stadium on the site of the current St James' Park. The South Stand and South West corner would remain as they were, the East and Milburn stands would be demolished, and the Sir John Hall stand and corners would be dismantled and re-erected closer to the remaining 'South Stand', to form the indoor stadium . . as shown, with the building over Strawberry Place linking to the 'new build' over St James' Park Metro Station . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-4.jpg

 

 

One of the envisaged advantages of the 'reduced size' St James' Park/Centre, to the immediate area, would be the extended Leazes Park, as shown here where it is overlooked by Leazes Terrace, at the point where the demolished 'East Stand' used to be . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnitedFC-1997NewGroundP-3.jpg

 

 

Now, the above plans and proposals, in the clubs own words at the time, from their "Newcastle United Football Club VISION STATEMENT" . . .

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/7thMarch2010.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION001.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION002.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/NewcastleUnited1997VISION003.jpg

 

 

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Here are the earlier plans for St James' Park, from 1972 . . .

 

Newcastle United FC : New Stadium Plans.

No. 2 - The 1972 Proposals . . .

 

NB - Part 1, 1997, can be seen HERE : https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=53090947&postcount=218 

and also HERE : https://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=53470089&postcount=272

 

 

In 1972 we were presented with a detailed and comprehensive set of proposals to demolish the entire ground, and rebuild a 'uniform stand' (seats upstairs with standing in front) all the way around the ground.

 

Effectively, what was being proposed in 1972, was to build (what became the following year) the new East Stand all the way around St James Park, looking the same architecturally from outside as well as in, with some possible differences in the 'West Stand' area.

 

Here is the full set of "as it might have been" proposals, from 1972 . . .

 

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark-1.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark001.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark002.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark003.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark004.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark005.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark007.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark008.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark009.jpg

 

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark010.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark011.jpg

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/1972PlansforStJamesPark012.jpg

 

 

Then, when we all assembled for the start of the 72/73 season on 12th August 1972, this was the front cover of our "new style" Match Programme . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/Season72-73EastStandopens.jpg

 

 

Inside the programme, the state of play with the development was explained . .

http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv345/manorpark_photos/Season72-73EastStandopens001.jpg

 

 

AS history shows, it was only the 'East Stand' of these proposals, that was ever built, and it didn't even cover the full length of the old Popular Side.

 

The rest of these proposals were quietly dropped, which was later said to be because of lack of money.

 

 

 

 

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