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Chat / Re: NBA 2017-18
« Last Post by Mole_Toonfan on Today at 04:36:27 PM »
Without actually watching it how many old guys are actually performing to a decent standard? i say that because the last thing i want to see is the likes of T-Mac dragging his knees across the court and not being able to do anything substantial.

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Football / Re: sunderland
« Last Post by afar on Today at 04:25:57 PM »
The funny thing is that even if they get an agreement soon in principle for takeover, there's a bunch of crap they will need to go through before they are in a position to spend these billions of pounds they undoubtedly will get such as due diligence, financial background checks and the small matter of appointing a manager. It'll be July in a few days, a mere month till the start of the season. If I were a mackem (thank good I'm not) I would be in extreme panic mode right now. The best thing for them may  be that the takeover doesn't go through and Short remains, that way they will be able to focus on the task at hand otherwise it'll be another month at least of limbo.
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Chat / Re: UK Politics: The Tory Years 2.0
« Last Post by Super Duper Branko Strupar on Today at 04:25:29 PM »
Since when was being 'moderate' the ideal?

Since it was the furthest ideology from communism and fascism and worked best for the most people from an economic standpoint. Since forever, in other words.

Fascism and communism aren't separate ends of a single spectrum.  Being moderate on the diplomatic and civil axes doesn't mean you sit between Nazi Germany and the USSR, because both of those had similar authoritarian and "patriotic" views.  On the economy, the USSR would be far to the left, but the Nazis were probably moderate on this, Hitler didn't even really give a s*** about the economy.

:thup:
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Chat / Re: UK Politics: The Tory Years 2.0
« Last Post by Troll on Today at 04:22:58 PM »
I guess as norms in society change (for example, it seems pretty ridiculous now to oppose gay marriage) the right-wing parties pretty much have to adopt support for them or risk alienated too many people. Particularly the young.

But I think they will still reveal the limitations of their ideology often enough that opposition will still have space to exist. For example, Theresa May talked about social justice about a year ago but the Tory party didn't have it in their DNA to do anything about it. They have too many other interests and they don't believe it to their bones.

I thought Macron was another centrist who was just a much better alternative to Le Pen. I didn't realise their was even a sense he would/could force out the left.

The left didn't lose because of Macron, they lost because of Hollande.  He was the most unpopular president in their history, and the country wanted change.
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Football / Re: sunderland
« Last Post by sempuki on Today at 04:21:01 PM »
Forgot this circus was still going on. This is going to f*** their season. Good.
It's tragic like.
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Chat / Re: UK Politics: The Tory Years 2.0
« Last Post by polkaDot on Today at 04:18:36 PM »
Hmm, I'm not against the essence of it, but it seems that libertarian has been redefined for the purpose, when surely Liberal Socialist should suffice? 

I'm talking about the actual words, not what they're trying to convey.  It's the first time I've heard libertarian socialist used unironically.

A libertarian socialist is pretty much an anarchist politically/historically. The term libertarian has been used by anarchists for well over 100 years, it is only the recent appropriation of the term by right wing loons in the US that has muddied the waters of its meaning/application.

A libertarian communist for example is someone very much opposed to authoritarian Communism, such as that of the former USSR, which they would describe as a state-capitalist entity and not communist at all.

On phone so appols for being brief, there's a lot of interesting history/writing on the subject.
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Football / Re: sunderland
« Last Post by mrmojorisin75 on Today at 04:18:14 PM »
Forgot this circus was still going on. This is going to f*** their season. Good.
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Chat / Re: UK Politics: The Tory Years 2.0
« Last Post by Ian W on Today at 04:16:11 PM »
I guess as norms in society change (for example, it seems pretty ridiculous now to oppose gay marriage) the right-wing parties pretty much have to adopt support for them or risk alienating too many people. Particularly the young.

But I think they will still reveal the limitations of their ideology often enough that opposition will still have space to exist. For example, Theresa May talked about social justice about a year ago but the Tory party didn't have it in their DNA to do anything about it. They have too many other interests and they don't believe it to their bones.

I thought Macron was another centrist who was just a much better alternative to Le Pen. I didn't realise their was even a sense he would/could force out the left.
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