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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #875 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:01:05 PM »
You can't complain that Stephen Avery didn't get a fair trial if you're not willing to give one to Kratz either.  The guy's had death threats and been sent bombs ffs.

Avery didn't get a fair trial because prior to it, Kratz went live on TV informing the nation about how him and his nephew had raped, murdered and mutilated Taressa Halbach without zero evidence. A story that was played out constantly that by the time it came to trial, why, well he and his nephew did it.

Kratz deserves f*** all and you defending him shows that you don't have a clue about any of this other than that you have watched the documentary.

Oh and death threats... Avery is actually going to die in prison unless this s*** works out for him. All based on absolute bull s*** by cops, false confessions, planted evidence and absolute bias by law enforcement who zeroed in on him from the get go despite numerous others who could have and did do it.

He is innocent 100%
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #876 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:03:05 PM »
Troll is one of the few non-believers, HTT.  I think he is making a fair point, regarding profiteering of the two hapless c***s wasting in jail.  Given our belief in their innocence, we're obviously going to be bitter about Kratz, but objectively speaking, he has every right.  If not more, as, if, just say, we are all wrong, he's had his career destroyed.  It's a horrible situation no matter what way we look and partly why I'm slowly turning against some of these documentaries that seem to follow these things in real time.
Disagree. Even if they both did it Kratz pulled so much s*** he should have been in jail as well tbf. Sure he's entitled to sell a book but he's an utter c*** of a human being and wrecked his own career through sexting before this aired iirc.

What did he do that he should have been jailed for?

Not saying he's not a dick, but the sexting is totally irrelevant to the case.  They only added it to the series to help paint him as the bad guy.

He was 'representing' victims of sexual and physical abuse and he used his power to basically sexually abuse his clients in terms of sexting and other innuendo. He championed himself as someone who looked after the rights of such victims, but used his status and power to abuse them. He is a sleazy b******, corrupt and deserves every loss in his life he has had or faces including his law firm. Who would appoint such a creep, such a bent sleazy b****** anyway?! My blood boils!

At least he didn't murder anyone.

:lol:

For what I can remember, Kratz was a really slimy, unlikeable guy who has some weird practices and we're free to jump to all our conclusions, but in a court of law, our equally rash, full of jumped-to conclusions would make for an equally as awful case.  I know much of what we say is frustration coming out, but just saying. 

EDIT:  Definitely forgot a shitload of what Kratz did do like.  Every time I try to give the guy a break one of you posts about one of the typically awful stunts he pulled. :lol:
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #877 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:03:34 PM »
:lol:  HTT would be the worst juror ever.

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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #878 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:07:09 PM »
Troll is one of the few non-believers, HTT.  I think he is making a fair point, regarding profiteering of the two hapless c***s wasting in jail.  Given our belief in their innocence, we're obviously going to be bitter about Kratz, but objectively speaking, he has every right.  If not more, as, if, just say, we are all wrong, he's had his career destroyed.  It's a horrible situation no matter what way we look and partly why I'm slowly turning against some of these documentaries that seem to follow these things in real time.
Disagree. Even if they both did it Kratz pulled so much s*** he should have been in jail as well tbf. Sure he's entitled to sell a book but he's an utter c*** of a human being and wrecked his own career through sexting before this aired iirc.

What did he do that he should have been jailed for?

Not saying he's not a dick, but the sexting is totally irrelevant to the case.  They only added it to the series to help paint him as the bad guy.

He was 'representing' victims of sexual and physical abuse and he used his power to basically sexually abuse his clients in terms of sexting and other innuendo. He championed himself as someone who looked after the rights of such victims, but used his status and power to abuse them. He is a sleazy b******, corrupt and deserves every loss in his life he has had or faces including his law firm. Who would appoint such a creep, such a bent sleazy b****** anyway?! My blood boils!

At least he didn't murder anyone.

He is responsible for destroying the lives of two individuals in Avery and Dassy so effectively he is as good as a killer because those two poor guys have effectively lost their lives. Avery will die in prison if Zellner can't help him. Dassey will get parole if he can't get acquitted eventually. By then he will be an old man and on the sex offenders list.

He was 16 when 'interviewed', that was 10 years ago!
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #879 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:10:16 PM »
:lol:  HTT would be the worst juror ever.

f*** off! I would have voted not guilty for Avery, just like the 7 other jurors before it went to final deliberations...
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #880 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:13:38 PM »
HTT said what I would say about Kratz, his behaviour with the press conference was surely borderline illegal and in any normal place would probably have been grounds for a mistrial.

I mean we've got guys on here defending Trump and Putin but Kratz? f***ing Kratz?
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #881 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:22:43 PM »
It was designed to turn a community by that stage who thought Avery was hard done by, into some cold blooded killer monster and it worked. That and it helped tainted the jury...

Innocent until proven guilty unless you are Steven Avery in which case you are guilty and that's how the case was presented for him and his nephew. They had no chance really and in Strang and Buting the guys did an amazing job to take it so far, to get a jury of 12 prior to deliberations vote 7 innocent, 3 guilty and 2 unsure. And the one prominent juror had to be excused...
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #882 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:34:31 PM »
Can't get over Troll defending Kratz [emoji38]
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #883 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:38:52 PM »
Can't get over Troll defending Kratz [emoji38]

I'm not defending him, I'm just saying he has the right to tell his side of the story.

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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #884 on: Wednesday 15 February 2017, 09:51:21 PM »
HTT said what I would say about Kratz, his behaviour with the press conference was surely borderline illegal and in any normal place would probably have been grounds for a mistrial.

I mean we've got guys on here defending Trump and Putin but Kratz? f***ing Kratz?
Yeah I can't believe he got away with saying yeah he's f***ing guilty (basically) before it was anywhere close to trial. I don't know if its technically illegal but by christ it should be and it goes against the very foundation of the justice system

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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #885 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 08:49:21 PM »
For anyone still interested in this Avery's new lawyer filed her brief the other day and it completely rips to shreds the prosecution and their case. She also names Ryan Hilgas, the ex, as the killer. The brief is a great read and there should be enough in there to at least get a new trial.
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #886 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 08:58:54 PM »
link...  what's she basing the naming of that lad as the killer then?
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #887 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 08:59:08 PM »
For anyone still interested in this Avery's new lawyer filed her brief the other day and it completely rips to shreds the prosecution and their case. She also names Ryan Hilgas, the ex, as the killer. The brief is a great read and there should be enough in there to at least get a new trial.
The ex and the brother seemed dodgy as f*** iirc
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #888 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 09:00:21 PM »
Poor guy.  As if having your girlfriend murdered wasn't bad enough, now he's had to relive it all through a tv show and deal with a load of Reddit detectives dragging his name through the mud.

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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #889 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 09:20:09 PM »
Poor guy.  As if having your girlfriend murdered wasn't bad enough, now he's had to relive it all through a tv show and deal with a load of Reddit detectives dragging his name through the mud.

It's more than that, the lawyer has named him as a killer and she wouldn't do that without good reason. It all adds up to be honest, although I personally don't think he killed her. He knows way more though and was massively involved in some way. The state has 30 days to respond. They will fight it all the way, but there are enough grounds for a retrial.
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #890 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 09:22:55 PM »
:lol:  That wasn't the bite I was hoping for.

Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #891 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 09:29:29 PM »
:lol:  That wasn't the bite I was hoping for.

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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #892 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 09:45:34 PM »
I think most people knew him and her brother were dodgy. The fact that he was pretty much stalking her, and her brother helping rings massive alarm bells. The brother being quick to want to move on and referring to her as dead only a short time after she went missing is another alarm bell.

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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #893 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 09:46:56 PM »
I'm surprised the media haven't tried to fit Corbyn up for it
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #894 on: Saturday 10 June 2017, 09:48:43 PM »
I think most people knew him and her brother were dodgy. The fact that he was pretty much stalking her, and her brother helping rings massive alarm bells. The brother being quick to want to move on and referring to her as dead only a short time after she went missing is another alarm bell.

I thought the same thing. Who when searching for a family member a day after she went missing would say that on tv unless they knew already?

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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #895 on: Thursday 22 June 2017, 08:48:15 PM »
Court has just ruled that Dassey's habeas corpus ruling remains meaning they have to either let him go or retrial him. They will again appeal of course, but they are running out of excuses. Just let the kid go home, he is 100% innocent. Regarding Steven Avery, I personally believe his lawyer has much more up her sleeve and this isn't just about freeing him, but about bringing them all down. I dont think Ryan the ex killed her either, she is basically trying to make the courts grant a hearing where she can unleash more bombshells to the point they retry him or acquitt. There is enough already to grant a hearing and a possible retrial, but will the state go with that? I can see an Alford plea being offered, hopefully Avery will say f*** off which I think he would as he is 100% innocent.
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #897 on: Saturday 8 July 2017, 07:02:01 PM »
Some interesting stuff in this

http://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/local/steven-avery/2017/06/22/defense-claims-missing-evidence-seeking-new-trial-avery/397782001/

Have you read Zellner's brief? There are clearly numerous Brady violations which in itself could grant a new trial and it seems she is attacking this on many fronts in order to get just that.

Brady violations - tick
Denny rule - tick
Ineffective council - tick
Prosecutor violations - tick
New evidence - tick

She originally stated she was looking for a total exoneration, but the blood from the Rav 4 is clearly Avery's and isn't from the blood vial and doesn't contain EDTA either. That links him to the murder in the present basically regardless so she has changed tact and looked into things that can get him a retrial which will allow her to examine all evidence, including the Rav 4.

I personally think they will offer him an Alford Plea like they did with the West Memphis Three. He will hopefully tell them where to go like. If this goes to a retrial he will be acquitted.

Either way his stay in prison will last several years you feel. Poor Brendan has had two sets of judges rule in his favour but the state are still fighting to keep him in jail and now it seems the 7th circuit of judges have asked his lawyers to file a reply to the state's appeal.

American law is f***ed up like.

Back to her brief, she names Ryan Hillegas as the killer who is the ex and while it does make sense, I'm not so sure myself. He's involved and massively so, maybe in the planting and framing, but I don't think he killed her. He's being used to combat the Denny ruling IMO and while its ballsy from Zellner given she advocates for the innocent (innocent until proven guilty but she names RH as the killer?) I think its part of her strategy to get a new trial. Something she probably seeks in order to bring down the state and the likes of Kratz, Lenk, Colborn and others involved.

I 100% believe they are both innocent btw.
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Re: Making A Murderer
« Reply #898 on: Sunday 29 October 2017, 01:48:21 PM »
For anyone still interested in this, Avery was recently denied a new trial and even a hearing while his nephew's legal team argued his case in front of 7 judges. Their decision should come early next year. Avery's lawyer has since filed an amended brief which has some tasty and quite shocking new information in it, detailing how Dasey's brother or people in that household were looking at kiddy porn and had images of women murdered and even images of Halbach on his computer, obviously post death. She is questioning his and Scott Taydach's testimony which they basically alibied each other and seems to be now pointing the finger at them. I'm unconvinced he ex boyfriend killed her, but was probably in on the planting of evidence and so her first brief to me was a way of drawing him out, to speak up. If he has or hasn't we won't know for now, her latest brief is seemingly designed to get Avery's family to speak out or come clean. It doesn't look good for them though, Avery and his nephew, I can see the latter going for an Alford Plea.
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Re: Making A Murderer
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