Poll

What do you think will be the outcome of the General Election?

Conservatives win increased majority
28 (26.7%)
Conservatives retain small majority
59 (56.2%)
Hung parliament
14 (13.3%)
Labour win majority
4 (3.8%)

Total Members Voted: 105

Voting closed: Wednesday 7 June 2017, 11:51:33 PM

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20225 on: Friday 19 May 2017, 05:27:13 PM »
Labour up to 34% in latest poll, only 1% less than Tony Blair won with in 2005...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-gains-conservatives-new-ipsos-mori-labour-party-tories-election-2017-a7742536.html
That Tory manifesto is the most complacent piece of claptrap I've seen. They're trying to make it all about repeating the Brexit vote and it appears the public are catching on.

The Independent have been knocking these opinion poll stories out every day. Not sure how much I believe them. They seem to have gone very clickbaity, at least their online stuff.

I know its a f***ing travesty.

One poll means nothing, I assume you know about this? http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

(@bluf) If all the polls start to narrow (which they have slightly but not enough) then something is happening.

Not so much that the Independent are trying to mislead people (Bluf), just that we now know polls are often bollocks.

For example, that blog is written by someone from Yougov, didn't they poll the 2015 election catastrophically wrong? Though it does seem to be a good read.

It's really sad to see the decline of the Independent into what it's becoming. It used to be one of the better ones overall.

I don't think you can just look at the fact that he happens to work for a pollster that got stuff wrong and conclude he must know s***, as all polls use different methodologies to correct for essentially unknown quantities such as voter turnout, thus just because their methodology may have been wrong during the last election, it doesn't necessarily follow that they know f*** all. The problem with the polls, is that in periods where there is a high degree of volatility in voting patterns (such as 2015 and a referendum, which is essentially an unknown quantity) uncertainties in corrections for voter turnout etc will be a lot more uncertain. Until things settle down again I think they're going to continue to be pretty inaccurate, this election will probably be even worse than the last one due to brexit and all of the various tactical voting strategies which may be employed.


Tory or not, their plans for Internet regulations look terrifying.  It's a continuation from the slippery slope they recently started on down. 

How this appeals to anyone, let alone the politically incorrect types that swarmed to UKIP and are now drifting to the Tories, I do not know.

Not going to lie I actually agree with a lot that's in their manifesto. Some of the motivations behind this are good in my opinion, especially with regards to ensuring news companies get a fair share of advertising revenue. Whether the cure is worse than the disease though is another question (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38333249).

Still not voting for them, ironically because this election is essentially about brexit and i think her strategy here has some serious flaws.

Yeah, but I'm clearly not talking about news organisations collecting a fair share of advertising revenue.  It's about a continuation from the Investigatory Powers Act, their lack of logic when it comes to these things.

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The new rules would include laws that make it harder than ever to access pornographic and other websites. The government will be able to place restrictions on seeing adult content and any exceptions would have to be justified to ministers, the manifesto suggests.

There's also the precedent of it all.  The Tories may not go on to abuse these new powers and proposed powers, but they can and, ultimately, someone will.  We already heard Cameron et all talking about how subversive and destructive conspiratorial websites are, with some mentioning that it should be banned.  They can now do stuff like this, if they win and follow what they've proposed.  That's also ignoring the fact a British conservative Internet sounds like the stuff of nightmares.  And boredom. 

No one is going to argue against rhetoric condemning online bullying, abuse etc, but pretending regulating the internet is going to sort that out is fantasy land stuff.  Deal with the root causes. 

Well yes that does sound pretty worrying.

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20226 on: Friday 19 May 2017, 05:34:34 PM »
It may turn out they learned a lot from their miscalculations, I've no doubt the bloke is competent enough at his job.

A good insight into the 2015 polling methodology errors:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2015/05/how-did-the-polls-get-it-so-wrong-jim-messina-knows/

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20227 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 09:44:11 AM »
Fallon has nightmare interview, says immigration target 'just an ambition', not a word heard anywhere. 
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20228 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:58:35 AM »
Fallon has nightmare interview, says immigration target 'just an ambition', not a word heard anywhere. 
Ruth Davidson saying the winter fuel allowance changes wont apply in Scotland.
Bullshitters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshit need not be untrue at all.

Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant.

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20229 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 10:58:44 AM »
To the 8 people saying they won't vote:



Sort it out.   :knuppel2:
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20230 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 11:02:47 AM »
Fallon has nightmare interview, says immigration target 'just an ambition', not a word heard anywhere. 
Ruth Davidson saying the winter fuel allowance changes wont apply in Scotland.

Desperate. 
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20231 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:19:31 PM »
Postal vote has arrived.  :frantic:

Between greens and labour.

Tory candidate's address is in Warwickshire. :lol:

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20232 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:20:03 PM »
Shocking

The biggest stealth tax in history

https://www.bowgroup.org/news/bow-group-press-release-elderly-care-biggest-stealth-tax-history

Bow Group Chairman Ben Harris-Quinney said:

"These proposals will mean that the majority of property owning citizens could be transferring the bulk of their assets to the government upon death for care they have already paid a lifetime of taxes to receive.

It is a tax on death and on inheritance. It will mean that in the end, the government will have taken the lions share of a lifetime earnings in taxes. If enacted, it is likely to represent the biggest stealth tax in history and when people understand that they will be leaving most of their estate to the government, rather than their families, the Conservative Party will experience a dramatic loss of support." 

The Bow Group calls for the following:

1. A cap on all elderly care fees after 5 years
2. Retention of tapered asset depletion
3. A single tariff per care home for councils and self funders
4. Nursing care to be free as part of the NHS
5. All assessment of care needs following hospital discharge to be done once successfully placed and not during inpatient stay.

Capitalism tries for a delicate balance: It attempts to work things out so that everyone gets just enough stuff to keep them from getting violent and trying to take other people’s stuff.

neesy111

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20233 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 12:22:48 PM »
The social care reforms won't get past parliament imo.

Can see many tory backbenchers being perplexed by it.

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20235 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 02:12:02 PM »
:jesuswept:

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20236 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 02:23:15 PM »
 :lol: f***ing t***

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20237 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 02:25:15 PM »
I'll never get this mentality of "they won't win so I'll vote for Tories"

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20238 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 02:26:25 PM »
I think it would be better if people like that stayed at home.

neesy111

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20239 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 02:46:07 PM »
Goes back to this gem:


Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20240 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 02:53:54 PM »
And sadly thanks to the stupid voters this is will be Labour after the 8th :lol:

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Porn where a guy driving a taxi gets lasses in his taxi to shag him. For some reason he proper hockles on her fanny then licks it up.

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20241 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 03:40:30 PM »

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20242 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 03:48:11 PM »
Never look down on someone, unless you're helping them up!


Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20244 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 04:23:59 PM »
A lad from work hates the Tories with a passion but says he wont vote for Labour because he hates Tony Blair.

neesy111

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20245 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 04:25:41 PM »
A lad from work hates the Tories with a passion but says he wont vote for Labour because he hates Tony Blair.

:serious:

This labour leadership is anti blair.

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20246 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 04:42:26 PM »
As the election gets closer my levels of frustration just increases to the point that I'm always irritated.

madras

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20247 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 04:53:51 PM »
As the election gets closer my levels of frustration just increases to the point that I'm always irritated.
That's been me since 2010.
Bullshitters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshit need not be untrue at all.

Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant.

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Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20248 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 05:10:15 PM »
From

To the 8 people saying they won't vote:



Sort it out.   :knuppel2:

to

https://twitter.com/nsno_83/status/865312017044918275

Sometimes it's maybe a good thing :lol:


Nah, we've got to outvote these idiots.  He's literally just voting for the winning side, even though it will destroy him.  I mean, I am still of the opinion we've no chance, but that doesn't stop me voting or shouting at other c***s to vote.  Got to take your chances.

If you know anyone that doesn't vote, but clearly is of the same wavelength as yourself (not directed at you, just everyone), f***ing hammer them into voting.  There's no excuse and sick of hearing it.
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

Re: UK Politics: General Election 2017 - 8th of June
« Reply #20249 on: Saturday 20 May 2017, 05:14:53 PM »
When is the deadline to register out of interest?
What's FakeTaxi?
Porn where a guy driving a taxi gets lasses in his taxi to shag him. For some reason he proper hockles on her fanny then licks it up.