Topic: Europa League 2012/2013 (NUFC to enter at final play-off round)

[MKSC]

English European Competition Qualification 2011/12 - Updated 07/05/12

1st     Champions League Group Stage (currently Manchester United)
2nd    Champions League Group Stage (currently Manchester City)
3rd     Champions League Group Stage (currently Arsenal)
4th     Champions League Third (Final) Qualifying Round (currently Tottenham)

5th     Europa League Third (Final) Qualifying Round (currently NUFC)

League Cup Winners    Europa League Qualifying. (Liverpool) If Liverpool qualify via League Position this slot goes to the highest placed team not qualified via other means.

FA Cup Winners            Europa League Group Stage (Chelsea).  If Chelsea win the Champions League the Europa League Group Stage spot will go to the highest placed team not qualified for the Champions League. (5th or 6th probably)This has been clarified by a bloke who works at UEFA, who knows a bloke who knows "withabrick".


How can NUFC get in to Europe? **UPDATED**

Champions League:
NUFC Finish in the top 4. Unlikely. Less unlikely than before, but still pretty unlikely. It might just f***ing happen. BELIEVE [/Rich]

We need to win our last game at Everton and hope Spurs drop points (Draw or Lose) OR Arsenal lose to finish 4th, or BOTH to get 3rd.

4th does not guarantee CL as Chelsea could win the final and claim the final spot.

Europa League:
NUFC finish 4th and Chelsea win the Champions League Final
NUFC Finish 5th
NUFC win FA Cup
NUFC reach FA Cup Final but lose to Champions League Qualified Team
NUFC finish 6th
NUFC finish 7th and Chelsea win the Champions League*

*The current understanding is that should Chelsea win the Champions League and finish outside the top 4 they will take the 4th CL Qualifying place. The team finishing in 4th will be given a place in the Europa League, this will be in addition to the 3 Europa League places awarded to England.

Everton could still finish in Europe if they Finish 7th and Chelsea win the Champions League.

Eh? how?

Chelsea would get the 4th CL spot and as compensation the 4th place team would be granted a EL place. This would be an ADDITIONAL place and not take away from the other ones awarded to the English FA. It would go a bit like this.

1 Man Utd/Man City - CL
2 Man City/Man Utd - CL
3 Arsenal/Spurs/NUFC - CL
4 Arsenal/Spurs/NUFC - EL - Additional Place
5 Arsenal/Spurs/NUFC - EL
6 Chelsea - CL as Winners
7 Everton/Fulham/Liverpool - EL - FA Cup place allocated to highest league place
8 Everton/Fulham/Liverpool - EL - Carling Cup place.

Everton or Fulham could finish 8th and get it as long as Liverpool come 7th.

If I've missed anything, and I probably have, feel free to let me know.

The bottom line is that we are now guaranteed Europa League next season. Well done everyone at NUFC

[Sifu]

Useful thread

[Crayola Kid]

you missed the fact that we cant get in ahead of sunderland unless MON is run over by a bus, and soon.  we're sitting ducks man.

[bimpy474]

Spot on that mate

[MKSC]

you missed the fact that we cant get in ahead of sunderland unless MON is run over by a bus, and soon.  we're sitting ducks man.

 

s***, how could I have missed that.

[wormy]

I like it. Hope the general basis of the thread is kept for future seasons as there always seems to be a point where people get confused over qualifying for Europe scenarios.

[Decky]

f***, I actually want Liverpool to win something

[Unbelievable!]

AND Liverpool (win the League Cup whilst) finishing in a position that would afford them European Qualification.

So that's a minimum of fifth, or is it sixth..? My head hurts...

All in all it seem quite unlikely unless we manage to finish 5th, even if Liverpool win the League Cup. There always tends to be a dark horse in the cup final(s).

[wormy]

AND Liverpool (win the League Cup whilst) finishing in a position that would afford them European Qualification.

So that's a minimum of fifth, or is it sixth..? My head hurts...

All in all it seem quite unlikely unless we manage to finish 5th, even if Liverpool win the League Cup. There always tends to be a dark horse in the cup final(s).

If Liverpool win the League Cup, they'll have to finish 5th or above for 6th to mean Europe. If Liverpool finish 6th or below then there's no extra European places. Unless the FA Cup final is contested between two teams already in the top 5. Then 6th will mean Europe.

[geordie_b]

fair play league qualification?

EDIT I know we are currently bottom but i dont know how that effects things elsewhere

[Sifu]

fair play league qualification?

EDIT I know we are currently bottom but i dont know how that effects things elsewhere

Qualification through the Fair Play League comes into play at the end of the season. UEFA awards extra Europa League places to the three highest scoring nations (the scores being in terms of "Fair Play Coefficients").

The fair play league doesn't really matter. There is a possibility that England could end up not being one of the three highest scoring nations.

[wormy]

fair play league qualification?

EDIT I know we are currently bottom but i dont know how that effects things elsewhere

Doesn't affect a thing, mate. Not sure on the full workings but that's a completely seperate issue.

3 European countries drawn randomly, and then the 'fairest' team from each of top league of those countries goes into the Europa League IIRC.

EDIT: Sifu.

[NUFC54]

fair play league qualification?

EDIT I know we are currently bottom but i dont know how that effects things elsewhere

We're the friendliest team in the league,

[Village Idiot]

For some reason, I keep reading this thread as "The Master Race for Europe".

What happens if Arsenal win the CL (I know, I know) and end up 5th?

[Sifu]

For some reason, I keep reading this thread as "The Master Race for Europe".

What happens if Arsenal win the CL (I know, I know) and end up 5th?

I'd imagine that Arsenal would be let into the CL (they'll use Liverpool as an example), how that impacts the Europa League spaces however is quite a puzzler. Hmmm....

[wormy]

For some reason, I keep reading this thread as "The Master Race for Europe".

What happens if Arsenal win the CL (I know, I know) and end up 5th?

I'd imagine that Arsenal would be let into the CL (they'll use Liverpool as an example), how that impacts the Europa League spaces however is quite a puzzler. Hmmm....

I think, enforced mainly by Uefa, is that 4th place would then go into the Europa League, won't they?

[Sifu]

For some reason, I keep reading this thread as "The Master Race for Europe".

What happens if Arsenal win the CL (I know, I know) and end up 5th?

I'd imagine that Arsenal would be let into the CL (they'll use Liverpool as an example), how that impacts the Europa League spaces however is quite a puzzler. Hmmm....

I think, enforced mainly by Uefa, is that 4th place would then go into the Europa League, won't they?

But then whoever finishes 4th would feel aggrieved of a place in the CL, they would cite the Liverpool/Everton example to argue their point....

[Interpolic]

For some reason, I keep reading this thread as "The Master Race for Europe".

What happens if Arsenal win the CL (I know, I know) and end up 5th?

I'd imagine that Arsenal would be let into the CL (they'll use Liverpool as an example), how that impacts the Europa League spaces however is quite a puzzler. Hmmm....

I think, enforced mainly by Uefa, is that 4th place would then go into the Europa League, won't they?

But then whoever finishes 4th would feel aggrieved of a place in the CL, they would cite the Liverpool/Everton example to argue their point....

I think UEFA let Liverpool in begrudgingly and effectively said it would be the last time that was allowed to happen iirc.

[wormy]

For some reason, I keep reading this thread as "The Master Race for Europe".

What happens if Arsenal win the CL (I know, I know) and end up 5th?

I'd imagine that Arsenal would be let into the CL (they'll use Liverpool as an example), how that impacts the Europa League spaces however is quite a puzzler. Hmmm....

I think, enforced mainly by Uefa, is that 4th place would then go into the Europa League, won't they?

But then whoever finishes 4th would feel aggrieved of a place in the CL, they would cite the Liverpool/Everton example to argue their point....

Then said CL winners would argue the Real Madrid case from even earlier to argue theirs. And would have Uefa on their side, who are the ones that told the FA to allow Liverpool didn't they? My assumption is that there would be enough history for Uefa to stand by their previous decisions and force through CL winners to get the 4th place and actual 4th place to settle with EL. But guess we will never really know unless it happens..

[wormy]

Christ, just read IP's post above. Is my whole above post rendered absolute, complete bullshit?

[Sifu]

For some reason, I keep reading this thread as "The Master Race for Europe".

What happens if Arsenal win the CL (I know, I know) and end up 5th?

I'd imagine that Arsenal would be let into the CL (they'll use Liverpool as an example), how that impacts the Europa League spaces however is quite a puzzler. Hmmm....

I think, enforced mainly by Uefa, is that 4th place would then go into the Europa League, won't they?

But then whoever finishes 4th would feel aggrieved of a place in the CL, they would cite the Liverpool/Everton example to argue their point....

I think UEFA let Liverpool in begrudgingly and effectively said it would be the last time that was allowed to happen iirc.

Ah, didn't realise this.

[Sifu]

Christ, just read IP's post above. Is my whole above post rendered absolute, complete bullshit?

Your assumption is correct methinks as in 4th would have to accept the Europa League while the CL winners who finish 5th would be let into the CL.

[Neil]

MKSC's attempts to bring order have gone well.

[Interpolic]

Christ, just read IP's post above. Is my whole above post rendered absolute, complete bullshit?

Nah, I just meant that UEFA said you've got 4 spots to use as you wish and they'd not be giving additional ones going forward.

[wormy]

Christ, just read IP's post above. Is my whole above post rendered absolute, complete bullshit?

Nah, I just meant that UEFA said you've got 4 spots to use as you wish and they'd not be giving additional ones going forward.

Cool It was the way you said begrudgingly let Liverpool in. I thought that Uefa begrudgingly let Everton and FA begrudingly let Liverpool in a sense. They both had different feelings on who should get priority iirc.