Topic: Jonás Goaltiérrez

[Crumpy Gunt]

I genuinely wouldn't care a jack s*** if he never got near the starting 11 again.

Looked just like he did in our relegation season - I doubt a single cross connected with a Black and White colleague today. I counted five crosses in the second half he just did f*** all with. Ben Arfas first cross hit the target.


And to save me the hassle of starting another thread Perch is hopeflessly out of his depth and causes the entire back line to be pulled left, right and centre. It's an absolute cert Everton will torture him next week.

[neesy111]

I genuinely wouldn't care a jack s*** if he never got near the starting 11 again.

Looked just like he did in our relegation season - I doubt a single cross connected with a Black and White colleague today. I counted five crosses in the second half he just did f*** all with. Ben Arfas first cross hit the target.


And to save me the hassle of starting another thread Perch is hopeflessly out of his depth and causes the entire back line to be pulled left, right and centre. It's an absolute cert Everton will torture him next week.

Agreed, I've never ever rated him after his first game at the club.  One the footballers i've seen from an attacking perspective.

[Zero]

Who plays RB then?

[neesy111]

Who plays RB then?

Raylor

[Sewelly]

Was one of our better players today.

[Crumpy Gunt]

Who plays RB then?

For now I doubt bringing Cambell in the middle and Williamson RB would be any worse. I'd make it Taylors position if/when he plays again. We simply can't start him next week,

[OCK]

Certainly seems like the pendulum is shifting from 100% fan favourite to at least 50/50 divide.

[joeyt]

Always liked Jonas. The whole left side of our team were poor today.

[neesy111]

Certainly seems like the pendulum is shifting from 100% fan favourite to at least 50/50 divide.

Yeap, he's like a Marmite player.

People love him of his work ethic, while people will hate him as he's useless as a footballer tbh

[OCK]

Well even his work rate is questionable. He works hard on the ball, but not much off it. What does my head in is that he's totally static until the ball is at his feet. He never makes a forward move, or any intelligent play to draw defenders away. He stands and waits for Jose to pass him the ball, then stops, puts it onto his right foot and runs.

[ujpest doza]

Was one of our better players today.

I like him but thought he was gash throughout today.

[Michael]

I like Jonas most of the time tbh. Can't comment on him today (didn't see it)

[neesy111]

Well even his work rate is questionable. He works hard on the ball, but not much off it. What does my head in is that he's totally static until the ball is at his feet. He never makes a forward move, or any intelligent play to draw defenders away. He stands and waits for Jose to pass him the ball, then stops, puts it onto his right foot and runs.

This was defo the case at the start of last season, when it looked at times he couldn't be bothered at all after not getting a move in the summer.

For me the guy doesn't have a football brain, and how he's got to this level without being able to cross a ball properly is beyond me.

[LesPaul]

Has he ever actually sucessfuly passed the ball? I think he needs dropping for awhile. Try Ben Arfa on the wing or something just get this clown off the field.

[neesy111]

Has he ever actually sucessfuly passed the ball? I think he needs dropping for awhile. Try Ben Arfa on the wing or something just get this clown off the field.

I think you could be looking around all night about that one.

[Felipao91]

Problem with Jonas is obvious, he lacks a deadly final ball from what we've seen. But there's no question that he help Enrique develop his game. They go ta good understanding and they won't always be perfect but theyve been far the most dangerous flank this season in our team. Our right hand side is decent thanks to Routledge.

[OCK]

Those who like him will say:

Relieves pressure
Only Ball Carrier
Looks like a Samurai

Those who aren't too keen on his football ability will say:

Can't cross accurately
Can't see a pass
Can't shoot
Runs into trouble
Offers no off the ball movement to create space for himself or others

Those who like him will counter the above with:

If he could do any of that he wouldn't be playing with us. Which while it might be accurate, doesn't deter from the fact that the above points maybe true and seems like a weak deterrent from the fact that perhaps Jonas isn't as good as we hoped he'd be.

[neesy111]

Those who like him will say:

Relieves pressure
Only Ball Carrier
Looks like a Samurai

Those who aren't too keen on his football ability will say:

Can't cross accurately
Can't see a pass
Can't shoot
Runs into trouble
Offers no off the ball movement to create space for himself or others

From this I'd say the latter is what you need to be a successful footballer.

[Mick]

I wish Jonas was our biggest worry tonight, he's way down the packing order for me.

[OCK]

Those who like him will say:

Relieves pressure
Only Ball Carrier
Looks like a Samurai

Those who aren't too keen on his football ability will say:

Can't cross accurately
Can't see a pass
Can't shoot
Runs into trouble
Offers no off the ball movement to create space for himself or others

From this I'd say the latter is what you need to be a successful footballer.

Don't know, Andy Carroll was poo until he decided he wanted to look like a Samurai - Ronaldo. (Possibly not entirely true and very well could be a made up quote).

[neesy111]

Those who like him will say:

Relieves pressure
Only Ball Carrier
Looks like a Samurai

Those who aren't too keen on his football ability will say:

Can't cross accurately
Can't see a pass
Can't shoot
Runs into trouble
Offers no off the ball movement to create space for himself or others

From this I'd say the latter is what you need to be a successful footballer.

Don't know, Andy Carroll was poo until he decided he wanted to look like a Samurai - Ronaldo. (Possibly not entirely true and very well could be a made up quote).

Carroll is developing his game and remember he's 21, compared to Jonas who has been a footballer for a lot longer, and he still can't shoot, pass or cross the ball properly.

[OCK]

Psst, Nessy, it was a throw away comment! 

[neesy111]

Psst, Nessy, it was a throw away comment! 

Psst, Nessy, it was a throw away comment! 

 

[Han Colo]

Yawn. Agree with Mick. I still think he along with the likes of enrique have been carrying some of his more 'tenacious' and 'hardworking' colleagues. I don't agree with this idea he's devoid of talent either. I agree he's frustrating but i think the degree of stick (usually following a defeat) is a bit harsh. He's good enough for the majority of teams in the lower half of the division.

[joeyt]

While you're here Neesie, its ''España'' not ''Espania''