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Re: Android
« Reply #1900 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 11:41:31 AM »
I'm pretty sure it's because the updates needs to be translated to Norwegian before you get them, that's the case with the updates in Sweden anyway (according to Samsung). You do know that 4.0.3 is out now as well, right? :razz:
   

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Re: Android
« Reply #1901 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 11:55:57 AM »
Not sure about that, i received it with Norwegian language. So i am pretty sure its fully translated when Google release it.

Don`t think they have rolled out 4.03 yet. As most who have it seems to have got it through som ROM s***. I have no clue what ROM is, so i wait until its available direct form Google.
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Re: Android
« Reply #1902 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 12:01:03 PM »
Not sure about that, i received it with Norwegian language. So i am pretty sure its fully translated when Google release it.

Don`t think they have rolled out 4.03 yet. As most who have it seems to have got it through som ROM s***. I have no clue what ROM is, so i wait until its available direct form Google.
I meant that you have to wait a couple of weeks to get the latest updates because Samsung handles the language conversions, that's why you had 4.0.1 for a while.
And you're right, 4.0.3 is not out yet.
   

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Re: Android
« Reply #1903 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 12:06:59 PM »
Not sure about that, i received it with Norwegian language. So i am pretty sure its fully translated when Google release it.

Don`t think they have rolled out 4.03 yet. As most who have it seems to have got it through som ROM s***. I have no clue what ROM is, so i wait until its available direct form Google.
I meant that you have to wait a couple of weeks to get the latest updates because Samsung handles the language conversions, that's why you had 4.0.1 for a while.
And you're right, 4.0.3 is not out yet.

Yeah, but is it not strange, when i change my phone from the Product code that gets updates from Samsung, to a code that get it from Google, then i get option ot update at once, with option for Norwegian.
If your theory is right, i should not be able to have it in Norwgian no?
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Re: Android
« Reply #1904 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 04:51:12 PM »
I'm a Iphone 4 user that has the chance to upgrade but Iphone's don't have RSAP for my car.  Any thoughts on the best android phone out there at the moment?  It's difficult to get a feel given conflicting internet reviews.  The Nexus camera gets a right ribbing on most reviews but the S2 is getting old and hasn't got the 4.0 software?? Damn I'm confused!
There's not really anything wrong with the Nexus camera, just a bunch of idiots who sees the 5 Mpx on the specs and assume that it's bad. If you are like most people, you won't be attempting to take any professional pictures with it, and for that it should be fine.

That attitude is a load of bollocks. Megapixels is just not important. My DSLR only does 5MP and still takes far better photos than any mobile phone.

You do realise that I agree with you here, right?

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Wacko overstates the importance of not having the latest version of Android though. If you were to get the S2, you would be waiting about a month to get the latest version of Android, not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things, certainly not to the point where it should be a deal breaker. The hardware in the S2 and Nexus are pretty similar, neither is vastly superior to the other.

Yeah, the S2 will get the update, but the S1 won't and that's not even 18 months old. My lass bought hers 8 months ago.

Read the article I linked.

The fact of the matter is, the Nexus is the only Android handset that continues to receive major OS updates throughout its typical lifetime (the 18 months to 2 years that most people's contracts run). That may or may not matter to you, but what should matter very much to you is that very few Android handsets continue to receive security updates beyond 12 months after release. Which is to say, if you don't buy the phone the day it comes out, it's quite likely it'll spend most of its life with known security holes.

Don't buy any Android handset other than a Nexus.

I have read the article that you linked, and I still think it's a whole lot of fuss over nothing.
Google announced that pretty much every manufacturer and carrier has agreed to support their phones for at least 18 months since its release (starting from May 2011). That of course means that ICS might be the last major update that S2 is likely to get, but I still don't really see a big problem with not being on the newest software if the hardware can't support it.

In many cases, the hardware can support it (the Galaxy S1 is a case in point, but Samsung won't consider dropping TouchWiz to accommodate the ICS update). The handset manufacturers just aren't interested in supporting older models.

As far as they're concerned, giving you updates is giving you a reason not to buy their new phone.

The hardware in phones are moving so quick these days, and I rather Google let their software keep up rather than do like iOS and stay the same for five years.
And what are these "security updates" you keep going on about?

The minor updates and bugfixes that Google releases to patch security holes and other bugs they've found (as opposed to major OS updates like ICS). Far too many handset manufacturers just don't bother releasing these for their handsets, or stop doing so far too soon.

Android has security problems, just like every other OS, and Google fixes them, just like every other OS developer, but most handset manufacturers just don't appear to care. If you're lucky, you'll get security updates until the phone is 18 months old.

The manufacturers (and carriers) know full well that millions of their customers are using insecure devices, with problems that Google has long since provided patches for, and they aren't interested in fixing them. That's disgraceful.

As far as I know, ISC doesn't offer any increased security, it's a design and UI update. Android is vulnerable as an OS and because of its openness in Market, but that's one of the risks you take with it, and as long as you're careful with what apps you download and watch out for what parts of the phone they want access to, it's not really any better or worse than anything else.

No it doesn't. But it offers new features. It would be nice to offer those to your customers. I brought it up because a) Slugsy will be used to always having the latest-and-greatest OS as an iPhone user, and b) it is a great feature and one that is only reliably available on Nexus handsets.

Regarding the permissions system, that is unfortunately also affected by occasional security holes. And these do not always get fixed (see above). As you can imagine, that's a serious problem given Google's hands-off approach to its Market. Knowing you have to be a bit careful on the Android Market is one thing, but thinking the permissions system will stop anything bad from happening when it won't because HTC broke it and isn't going to fix it is quite another.

FWIW, Galaxy S was released in June 2010, which means it is over 18 months old.

So it's 20 months old. Hardly a big difference, is it?

Most people who have that handset won't be due a new one for a year or so. If Google hadn't taken a timeout to concentrate on a tablet version of Android, it would probably be two major version behind instead of just one.

That hardware rapidly goes out of date is just the way of things, but there's no good reason software should.

By not providing major OS updates, handset manufacturers hurt the entire Android ecosystem because it means that Android devs have to keep targeting much older versions of the OS to make the apps compatible with the majority of devices in use at a given time. It's a millstone around Android's neck, and slows down the platform's progress as a whole.
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Re: Android
« Reply #1905 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 06:08:40 PM »
Can't be arsed to answer that long post in detail, just going to agree to disagree. I don't think it's a big deal to be "stuck" on Gingerbread on a phone that's not meant to handle ICS (HTC had to strip Sense to its bare bones to get Gingerbread on Desire, no way do I expect them to get ICS on it). It's a shame, yes, but it's not a big deal. Gingerbread is still a very good and modern OS, I would compare not getting ICS to the iPhone 4 not getting Siri.
Google have also said that make an app from Gingerbread to ICS, there's only about two lines worth of code that needs to be changed (I wouldn't know, as I know nothing about programming), so it shouldn't be difficult for developers.

Anyway, just three weeks left unitl MWC, and the rumours are finally starting to drop what we might see. First, three rumoured HTC phones: Ville, Edge and Primo.
Ville: Their thinnest Android phone yet, under 8mm thin. Dual core Snapdragon S4, 1.5GhZ, ICS with Sense 4.0, 4.3" S-AMOLED qHD display.
Edge: Tegra 3 (i.e quad core) 1.5 GhZ, ICS with Sense 4.0, 4.7" 720p display, 1 GB RAM, 8 Mpix camera, 32 GB internal storage, just over 10 mm thick.
Primo: 3.7" S-AMOLED, 1 GhZ dual core CPU, 512 RAM, 5 Mpix camera, 9 mm thick.
   

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Re: Android
« Reply #1906 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 06:10:52 PM »
FAO people who have an HTC. What is com.htc.socialnetwork.provider? It's taking up quite a bit of memory on my phone.

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Re: Android
« Reply #1907 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 06:19:01 PM »
I would guess it is what Sense uses to sync your contacts with their respective Facebook/twitter contacts? I haven't got it as I'm running Cyanogenmod.
   

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Re: Android
« Reply #1908 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 06:28:35 PM »
Ah right, yeah I do use that feature but it's never been a memory issue until now, hmmm.

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« Reply #1909 on: Thursday 2 February 2012, 07:21:10 PM »
Can't be arsed to answer that long post in detail, just going to agree to disagree. I don't think it's a big deal to be "stuck" on Gingerbread on a phone that's not meant to handle ICS (HTC had to strip Sense to its bare bones to get Gingerbread on Desire, no way do I expect them to get ICS on it). It's a shame, yes, but it's not a big deal.

No, I agree with you. It's a nice feature to have, but not much else. And often not possible anyway (handset manufacturers have no idea what the hardware requirements for the next major version of Android will be).

It's the lack of essential security updates that I find unforgivable.

That the Nexus gets major updates is nice, that it gets all security updates is critical.

Gingerbread is still a very good and modern OS, I would compare not getting ICS to the iPhone 4 not getting Siri.

Not really. Siri is just one (s***) feature. ICS contains several dozen improvements, some massive.

Google have also said that make an app from Gingerbread to ICS, there's only about two lines worth of code that needs to be changed (I wouldn't know, as I know nothing about programming), so it shouldn't be difficult for developers.

It's not updating apps for new OS versions that is a problem (it almost never is), it's not being able to use the cool new time-saving features that the dev tools for new OS versions usually bring. Devs waste a lot of time doing things "the hard way" to maintain support for older versions, or reimplementing stuff that comes for free with newer versions.
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Re: Android
« Reply #1910 on: Friday 3 February 2012, 07:58:32 PM »
Accidentally merged my S2 contacts with Google, and now I have no contacts showing up on my phone.

Is there any way to restore these?
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Re: Android
« Reply #1911 on: Friday 3 February 2012, 08:07:42 PM »
Had this version of ICS installed on my Desire for the last month:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1355660

Didn't really like the feel of it, so gone back to good old Froyo for now. Obviously that will have been a now thrills version of ICS, but what are the big things it supposedly offers?
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Re: Android
« Reply #1912 on: Friday 3 February 2012, 08:16:05 PM »
Regarding the constant release of new android versions, google said themselves last year that after ICS they were going to change to a yearly release cycle as they have build the OS now and the constant new versions aren't needed.

Also I got my new SD card today so I'm finally using the google music app, really simple just tick the artists/albums (I'd like the choice of selecting songs) you want to sync and it will download them on to your phone, simples!

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Re: Android
« Reply #1913 on: Saturday 4 February 2012, 09:22:45 AM »
Heading to Australia tomorrow so I'll be unlocking my phone. Is this handy enough to do? I don't care about anything except it allowing me to use an Austrailan sim card.
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Re: Android
« Reply #1914 on: Saturday 4 February 2012, 10:21:28 AM »
ICS contains several dozen improvements, some massive.

for example?
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« Reply #1915 on: Saturday 4 February 2012, 02:31:40 PM »
ICS contains several dozen improvements, some massive.

for example?

For users:

  • Browser JavaScript performance has improved by 70-500% depending on what you're doing. Better performance, better for battery life
  • The UI is finally hardware-accelerated. This is huge. It's the main reason why Android devices with faster hardware nevertheless feel slower than iOS devices (iOS has had this feature from the very start). Again, better performance, much better for battery life
  • Plus a whole host of smaller improvements that will be more or less useful to users depending on what they do with their phones. Improved multitasking, home screen folders, voice input, massively improved accessibility for the blind/visually impaired, unified calendar, built-in photo editing, mobile data usage management

The first two, especially the hardware acceleration, should make a massive difference to Android's performance. OTOH, as well as making zipping through long lists and webpages sooooo much faster, it'll probably kick off an explosion of over-the-top, iPhone-esque UI animations.

For developers (because whatever makes things easier for developers means better apps for users):

  • Unified phone+tablet SDK. No more developing phone and tablet apps on different APIs and libraries
  • Calendar API
  • NFC-based sharing API, and ad-hoc WiFi sharing API (no need for a hotspot)
  • New, efficient streaming API
  • New codecs+container for media playback
  • New UI layout component for easier UI design via drag-and-drop
  • Keychain API for secure storage of login credentials etc.
  • The above-mentioned UI hardware-acceleration, which is a huge boon to devs who want their apps to be as responsive as possible
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Re: Android
« Reply #1916 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 03:36:01 PM »




Android apps are more stable than iOS apps O0
   

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Re: Android
« Reply #1917 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 09:47:55 PM »
Does anyone actually bother with an antivirus yet? Every time avast updates it reminds me that they have an android version available, but I've never bothered to download it.

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« Reply #1918 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 10:02:01 PM »
Nope. Snake oil tbh.

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« Reply #1919 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 10:05:37 PM »
:thup:

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Re: Android
« Reply #1920 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 10:08:09 PM »
Absolutely no point in having an antivirus. Think there's been one legitimate attack so far, and that was dealt with quickly. Google also recently upgraded the security in Market, which makes antivirus software even more redundant. There was a "scare" last week when one of the antivirus softwares claimed to have found 30+ malicious apps, but none of them did anything but advertise in your notification bar.
   

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Re: Android
« Reply #1921 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 10:35:16 PM »
I've had an anti-virus app for the last year or so. I'm content with having it on my phone though I'm starting to doubt whether it actually does anything.

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Re: Android
« Reply #1922 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 11:50:34 PM »
Only time my phone seems to crash is using the google navigation if I've just been on facebook.... strange this is phone reboots right back in to the navigation app other than that I have no problems.

Re: Android
« Reply #1923 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 11:56:02 PM »
Anyway to change my notification settings? As for some reason my phone has changed so when I get a text and the screen is locked it's just black with an annoying green square showing.
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Re: Android
« Reply #1924 on: Monday 6 February 2012, 11:59:45 PM »
Nar.