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James

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Re: North Korea, Kim Jong-un and all that...
« Reply #1200 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 12:42:21 PM »
The only brainwashing that goes on, is done in NK  :lol:

Perhaps brainwashing is a strong word, but really the context is in terms of the state or other influential organisations e.g. The media shaping people's thoughts and ideas. Does it happen as badly as NK? No, it isn't coerced. But to a lesser extent it goes on everywhere.
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thomas

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Re: North Korea, Kim Jong-un and all that...
« Reply #1201 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 12:46:20 PM »
Does seem like a disproportionate level of response to have his brother killed over them using a giant Stretch Armstrong to launch a dud into the water.

Is it a new version of

BlufPurdi

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Re: North Korea, Kim Jong-un and all that...
« Reply #1202 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 12:49:51 PM »
Does seem like a disproportionate level of response to have his brother killed over them using a giant Stretch Armstrong to launch a dud into the water.


That's the thing with this cretin.  He's going to end out accidentally starting a conflict when he finally overshoots that Sea of Japan target he's got such a hardon for. 
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thomas

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« Reply #1203 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 12:53:41 PM »
The insanity and stupidity of KJU's actions isn't in question, just the efficacy of fratricide as a deterrent.

The killing would be better framed as an incitement to rashness to justify deposing him in the world's eyes, if we were going down the road of "the US must be behind it all because Trump knows some casino owners."

BlufPurdi

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« Reply #1204 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 01:11:33 PM »
Fair. :thup:
You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

B-more Mag

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« Reply #1205 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 01:17:35 PM »
f***, man. If Trump had been behind this then he may as well have just DM'd Bob Woodward and asked him to do it, because it would be Washington Post breaking news as soon as the words were out of his mouth. In case anyone has missed it, Trump hasn't exactly made friends with our intelligence agencies and the administration is leaking like a sieve. It's just not feasible.

BlufPurdi

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You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

jdckelly

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« Reply #1207 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 02:04:31 PM »
if Trump had ordered it he'd have bragged about it on twitter by now, he's not a subtle person.

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« Reply #1208 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 02:14:12 PM »
What James is missing here is context.  Kim Jong-Eun absolutely despised his older brother, partially because he was worried that he might lead a coup from exile and partially because they just didn't get along.  He's been trying to kill him for years.  Other than the fact that he finally succeeded, this is the least surprising thing ever.

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« Reply #1209 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 02:21:44 PM »
What James is missing here is context.  Kim Jong-Eun absolutely despised his older brother, partially because he was worried that he might lead a coup from exile and partially because they just didn't get along.  He's been trying to kill him for years.  Other than the fact that he finally succeeded, this is the least surprising thing ever.

You clearly need some de-programming :lol:.
Obviously, I'm speaking of a hypothetical world in which there is a greater club than Tottenham.

B-more Mag

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« Reply #1210 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 02:45:40 PM »
I hadn't realized one of the women was wearing a LOL sweater. Nice touch to bring a bit of levity to a cold blooded murder.

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« Reply #1211 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 02:46:42 PM »
The only brainwashing that goes on, is done in NK  [emoji38]
Nah he's right in a sense about SK and their relationship with NK. Brainwashing isn't the right term but there's a certain level of dogmatism involved in my experience.

Govts exploit it as well, loads of stories about telethons to build submarine blockades and s*** then the money just disappears.
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oldtype

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« Reply #1212 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 03:45:05 PM »
The only brainwashing that goes on, is done in NK  [emoji38]
Nah he's right in a sense about SK and their relationship with NK. Brainwashing isn't the right term but there's a certain level of dogmatism involved in my experience.

Govts exploit it as well, loads of stories about telethons to build submarine blockades and s*** then the money just disappears.

North Korea is certainly a divisive political issue.  It's a bit like guns in America: you're either all the way for reconciliation or all the way for confrontation, with very little middle ground.

James

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« Reply #1213 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 03:56:54 PM »
What James is missing here is context.  Kim Jong-Eun absolutely despised his older brother, partially because he was worried that he might lead a coup from exile and partially because they just didn't get along.  He's been trying to kill him for years.  Other than the fact that he finally succeeded, this is the least surprising thing ever.

Oldtype, I completely get that this is the message perpetuated by the South Korean state to perpetuate Kim Jong Un as a mad tyrant. Probably true but have you been to Macau? There are a lot of questions that are yet to be answered, that means the South Korean account makes no sense.

1. Why has he not been killed before? He would not have been very secure before whilst living in Macau, lots of time spent in public casinos, and his house whilst secure wasn't impenetrable.
2. If his life was permanently at risk why make frequent trips, on your own to Malaysia? He felt no threat.
3. Why has he still been working in Macau brokering deals for North Korea? How will North Korea bypass sanctions without him brokering the deals and laundering the money?
4. Why were North Korea still bankrolling his playboy lifestyle?
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oldtype

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Re: North Korea, Kim Jong-un and all that...
« Reply #1214 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 04:14:13 PM »
What James is missing here is context.  Kim Jong-Eun absolutely despised his older brother, partially because he was worried that he might lead a coup from exile and partially because they just didn't get along.  He's been trying to kill him for years.  Other than the fact that he finally succeeded, this is the least surprising thing ever.

Oldtype, I completely get that this is the message perpetuated by the South Korean state to perpetuate Kim Jong Un as a mad tyrant. Probably true but have you been to Macau? There are a lot of questions that are yet to be answered, that means the South Korean account makes no sense.

1. Why has he not been killed before? He would not have been very secure before whilst living in Macau, lots of time spent in public casinos, and his house whilst secure wasn't impenetrable.
2. If his life was permanently at risk why make frequent trips, on your own to Malaysia? He felt no threat.
3. Why has he still been working in Macau brokering deals for North Korea? How will North Korea bypass sanctions without him brokering the deals and laundering the money?
4. Why were North Korea still bankrolling his playboy lifestyle?

There's not really much of a perpetual need to perpetually perpetuate a perpetual message that Kim Jong Un is a mad tyrant.  He does that just fine himself.

I have not been to Macau, but I do not see how that's relevant.

1. China has been quite clear through diplomatic channels that he is under their protection and does not want him dead.  Either the Chinese don't care anymore, or KJU doesn't.
2. Precisely because his life was under threat he was known to maintain several residences across China/SE Asia and move among them at random intervals.
3. There is no evidence that he has been doing this, and it would defy all common sense.
4. He had a fair amount of assets squirrelled away before his exile, and I suspect he's received periodic subsidies from North Korean loyalists or the Chinese government.

Again, it's quite well documented that he's been fearing for his life through Korean and Japanese journalists who've had the opportunity to interview him. 

It's also quite well documented that KJU wanted him dead.  It's a common trope, really: the new ruler who inherited power feels threatened by the older stepbrother who has a better claim to the throne and decides to take action.  The motivations here aren't difficult to understand at all.

Troll

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« Reply #1215 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 04:17:24 PM »
What James is missing here is context.  Kim Jong-Eun absolutely despised his older brother, partially because he was worried that he might lead a coup from exile and partially because they just didn't get along.  He's been trying to kill him for years.  Other than the fact that he finally succeeded, this is the least surprising thing ever.

Oldtype, I completely get that this is the message perpetuated by the South Korean state to perpetuate Kim Jong Un as a mad tyrant. Probably true but have you been to Macau? There are a lot of questions that are yet to be answered, that means the South Korean account makes no sense.

1. Why has he not been killed before? He would not have been very secure before whilst living in Macau, lots of time spent in public casinos, and his house whilst secure wasn't impenetrable.
2. If his life was permanently at risk why make frequent trips, on your own to Malaysia? He felt no threat.
3. Why has he still been working in Macau brokering deals for North Korea? How will North Korea bypass sanctions without him brokering the deals and laundering the money?
4. Why were North Korea still bankrolling his playboy lifestyle?

3 and 4 don't need answering because no-one's reported that he was brokering deals for North Korea or being bankrolled by them except for you.

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« Reply #1216 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 04:22:35 PM »
No consideration that the relationship could've gone sour at some point like?
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« Reply #1217 on: Thursday 16 February 2017, 04:25:14 PM »
What James is missing here is context.  Kim Jong-Eun absolutely despised his older brother, partially because he was worried that he might lead a coup from exile and partially because they just didn't get along.  He's been trying to kill him for years.  Other than the fact that he finally succeeded, this is the least surprising thing ever.

Oldtype, I completely get that this is the message perpetuated by the South Korean state to perpetuate Kim Jong Un as a mad tyrant. Probably true but have you been to Macau? There are a lot of questions that are yet to be answered, that means the South Korean account makes no sense.

1. Why has he not been killed before? He would not have been very secure before whilst living in Macau, lots of time spent in public casinos, and his house whilst secure wasn't impenetrable.
2. If his life was permanently at risk why make frequent trips, on your own to Malaysia? He felt no threat.
3. Why has he still been working in Macau brokering deals for North Korea? How will North Korea bypass sanctions without him brokering the deals and laundering the money?
4. Why were North Korea still bankrolling his playboy lifestyle?
Isn't it the message perpetuated by EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF NORTH KOREA!!!!!!! ?
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« Reply #1218 on: Friday 17 February 2017, 11:11:27 PM »
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An Indonesian woman held over the killing of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's half-brother thought she was taking part in a TV prank, police say

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39010244

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« Reply #1219 on: Friday 17 February 2017, 11:38:26 PM »
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madras

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« Reply #1220 on: Saturday 18 February 2017, 09:06:56 AM »
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An Indonesian woman held over the killing of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un's half-brother thought she was taking part in a TV prank, police say

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-39010244
Hope thats true, it'd be the most hilarious assassination ever and lets face it, that shows creativity.
Bullshitters misrepresent themselves to their audience not as liars do, that is, by deliberately making false claims about what is true. In fact, bullshit need not be untrue at all.

Rather, bullshitters seek to convey a certain impression of themselves without being concerned about whether anything at all is true. They quietly change the rules governing their end of the conversation so that claims about truth and falsity are irrelevant.

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« Reply #1221 on: Saturday 18 February 2017, 12:33:44 PM »
Murder is bad, etc.

That is f***ing brilliant.

Troll

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« Reply #1222 on: Saturday 18 February 2017, 01:25:47 PM »
Murder is bad, etc.

That is f***ing brilliant.

:lol:  47 would be proud.

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« Reply #1223 on: Saturday 18 February 2017, 01:28:39 PM »
Murder is bad, etc.

That is f***ing brilliant.

:lol:  47 would be proud.

:lol: Deadass almost turned the game on off that s***.

neesy111

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« Reply #1224 on: Sunday 19 February 2017, 10:05:44 AM »