Topic: Pirate Bay. (Court case started today).

[Parky]

I did a maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaassive (hence all the a's) essay on internet piracy for my music and the internet module. Based on all of the other methods the multimedia industries have used, this one that has been, and I reckon will be in this case deemed to be a PR no no for the companies that are trying to sue.

Why is it such a mistake?

Partly copied and pasted from that essay I did.

1. It shows theyre scared, because they cant control it.

Ellis states:
'The record companies have been making a lot of noise about file-sharing and peer-to-peer software. While we certainly have our own opinions about the whole P2P question, we think it's a red herring. The record labels are afraid of the internet because they can't control it. They can't stop you from selling your work directly to your fans. You don't need them anymore ... and they know it. Peer-to-peer software isn't a cause, it's a symptom. The world is changing.' (2004)

2. Punishing rather than pursuading starts a 'us and them' mentality
3. It shows their hypocrisy for illegal activity and brings up cases such as the one below.

One push factor that has been deemed a public relations disaster is punishment.  One underhand tactic by Sony BMG resulted in them being taken to court in 2005. Their CD’s were laced with spyware that would automatically install onto the users PC without the consumer knowing. This particular spyware left the users PC open to a variety of harmful virus’s. With this story in public circulation people began to avoid DRM CD’s, equating to a large drop in album sales.

Rubin states
'The CD debuted at No. 4, It was the highest debut of Neil's career, off to a great start. But Columbia — it was some kind of corporate thing — had put spyware on the CD. That kept people from copying it, but it also somehow recorded information about whoever bought the record. The spyware became public knowledge, and people freaked out. There were some lawsuits filed, and the CD was recalled by Columbia. Literally pulled from stores. We came out on a Tuesday, by the following week the CD was not available. Columbia released it again in a month, but we never recovered.' (2007)

Good stuff.

Never f*** with the people, sooner or later they will f*** with you. 

[Gash?]

They should be allowed to put the spyware on imo!

[Kid Icarus]

They should be allowed to put the spyware on imo!

The problem being that it's actually illegal and only accounts for people who share their music by having a p2p or torrent client. Basically anyone who just imports their music into i-tunes in order to even use it on their i-pod will get spyware.

[Adam^]

There have always been pirates and there always will be pirates.

[ChrisJbarnes]

I take the attitude that if I pay 75p for a track, most of it goes to the label, with some going to itunes or whoever very little going to the artist, who is rich enough anyway. wankers the lot of them. and also if I have to pay £180 for a weekend ticket to reading, and £20 if i want to see an established but not necessarily big band, plus various ticketmaster booking fees, id say £25 for 2 albums and a live gig is probably a fair price! 

[Kid Icarus]

I take the attitude that if I pay 75p for a track, most of it goes to the label, with some going to itunes or whoever very little going to the artist, who is rich enough anyway. wankers the lot of them. and also if I have to pay £180 for a weekend ticket to reading, and £20 if i want to see an established but not necessarily big band, plus various ticketmaster booking fees, id say £25 for 2 albums and a live gig is probably a fair price! 

40% goes to i-tunes. If they're small artists then theyre not rich enough.

The silver lining is that because of this its forcing more and more artists to do tours and make money through merchandise.

[Kasper]

If a song costs a dollar on iTunes, the artist gets 4 cents. It's a disgrace really...

[Parky]

There was a time when musicians were poor and relied on charity, concerts and sugar daddies. Now they're all wanabee multi-millionaires the c***s. f*** them.

[DJ_NUFC]

I take the attitude that if I pay 75p for a track, most of it goes to the label, with some going to itunes or whoever very little going to the artist, who is rich enough anyway. wankers the lot of them. and also if I have to pay £180 for a weekend ticket to reading, and £20 if i want to see an established but not necessarily big band, plus various ticketmaster booking fees, id say £25 for 2 albums and a live gig is probably a fair price! 

40% goes to i-tunes. If they're small artists then theyre not rich enough.

The silver lining is that because of this its forcing more and more artists to do tours and make money through merchandise.

Is that 40% figure true?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/07/your_99c_belong/

[Kasper]

http://www.downhillbattle.org/itunes/

[Parky]

If a song costs a dollar on iTunes, the artist gets 4 cents. It's a disgrace really...

So use see the record companies aren't fighting for the artists rights they're just fighting for they're huge chunk of cash.

[Kasper]

If a song costs a dollar on iTunes, the artist gets 4 cents. It's a disgrace really...

So use see the record companies aren't fighting for the artists rights they're just fighting for they're huge chunk of cash.

That's pretty obvious Sherlock

[Parky]

If a song costs a dollar on iTunes, the artist gets 4 cents. It's a disgrace really...

So use see the record companies aren't fighting for the artists rights they're just fighting for they're huge chunk of cash.

That's pretty obvious Sherlock

I'm spelling-it-out for the dingos on here. 

[Kasper]

If a song costs a dollar on iTunes, the artist gets 4 cents. It's a disgrace really...

So use see the record companies aren't fighting for the artists rights they're just fighting for they're huge chunk of cash.

That's pretty obvious Sherlock

I'm spelling-it-out for the dingos on here. 

Not too well though   

[Parky]

If a song costs a dollar on iTunes, the artist gets 4 cents. It's a disgrace really...

So use see the record companies aren't fighting for the artists rights they're just fighting for they're huge chunk of cash.

That's pretty obvious Sherlock

I'm spelling-it-out for the dingos on here. 

Not too well though  

It's my dancing fingers.....

[Nobody]

"If the download would have come through legal means, the record would have been sold at €10. From this, the record companies would have gotten an average of €6.5 per record."

[Kid Icarus]

"If the download would have come through legal means, the record would have been sold at €10. From this, the record companies would have gotten an average of €6.5 per record."

This is nothing new to downloads btw, this is the case with CD's aswell. Thats why bands tour so much and why Kiss are unbelievably rich: Because artists get almost all of their money through merchandise. CD and download sales are a pittance and even royalties to an extent are pittance in comparison.

[garth]

The f***ing Chinese authorities have been blocking Thepiratebay for a long time now so it's difficult to download anything now. Bastards!!!.

[hakka]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4" target="_blank" class="aeva_link bbc_link new_win">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Xfqkdh5Js4</a>

This is how they dealt with piracy in the past.  Love it.

[ChrisJbarnes]

Who has the copyright of the Bible? Who has the copyright of any original manuscript that lets us know about our past?. Yet who gets rich by selling something that isn't his and getting it for free?

[Kasper]

A court in Sweden has jailed four men behind The Pirate Bay (TPB), the world's most high-profile file-sharing website.

Frederik Neij, Gottfrid Svartholm Warg, Carl Lundstrom and Peter Sunde were found guilty of breaking copyright law and were sentenced to a year in jail.

They were also ordered to pay 30m kronor (£2.4m) in damages.

In a Twitter posting, Mr Sunde said: "Nothing will happen to TPB, this is just theatre for the media."

Mr Sunde went on to say that he "got the news last night that we lost".

"It used to be only movies, now even verdicts are out before the official release."

The damages were awarded to a number of entertainment companies, including Warner Bros, Sony Music Entertainment, EMI, and Columbia Pictures.

The Pirate Bay is the world's most high profile file-sharing website and was set up in 2003 by anti-copyright organisation Piratbyran, but for the last five years it has been run by individuals.

Millions of files are exchanged using the service every day.

No copyright content is hosted on The Pirate Bay's web servers; instead the site hosts "torrent" links to TV, film and music files held on its users' computers.

The four indicated earlier this week that they would appeal if convicted.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8003799.stm

[Nobody]

Serves them right, tbh. While it's bad news for us pirates, they are smug c***s the lot of them and could do with a bit time in jail.

[ikri]

Serves them right, tbh. While it's bad news for us pirates, they are smug c***s the lot of them and could do with a bit time in jail.

I doubt they'll serve a single day in jail or have to pay any of that fine either.

They'll appeal the decision and likely win since they were only found guilty of being accessories to breaching copyright laws.  By that measure pretty much every search engine is also guilty, DVD/CD writer manufacturers are guilty, manufacturers of blank CDs and DVDs are also guilty.

The court's decision sets a very dodgy precedent that, if it is allowed to stand, would make a lot of trade in Sweden illegal (got a photocopier? you can copy a book with that thing! guilty! etc.).

[Parky]

This is just the start of the new world, we will all be beige one day, then it will be all good.
Until that day, we will all have to put up with this s***.

Now, lets all go and put all those who produce weapons in jail for mass murder and slaughter all around the world.

Ha ha....Will they ever.

[Dave]

Sunde went on to say that he "got the news last night that we lost".

"It used to be only movies, now even verdicts are out before the official release."