Topic: NFL Season 2008 Thread

[Mike]

Matt Cassell will get a nice payday somewhere and will play s*** and get benched after one year of starting elsewhere.

That's my guess anyway.

Lions. Can't think of any other place he could go.

Apisith, everyone outside of NE hates Tom Brady. f*** that guy.

[Pip]

Matt Cassell will get a nice payday somewhere and will play s*** and get benched after one year of starting elsewhere.

That's my guess anyway.

It's the receivers and AirMcDaniels that's making him look so good. Welker and Moss are a great tandem.

I know you're just trying to wind me up but Brady got those 3 SBs before he had a decent receiver on his team.

[Pip]

Matt Cassell will get a nice payday somewhere and will play s*** and get benched after one year of starting elsewhere.

That's my guess anyway.

Lions. Can't think of any other place he could go.

Apisith, everyone outside of NE hates Tom Brady. f*** that guy.

What's he done to you?!

I appreciate good players, dude. I like Brady 'cos he just kept winning then exploded last year. First-ballot HoFamer playing in his prime. Getting the chance to watch one of the best QBs ever play week-in-week-out is awesome. I like Peyton a lot as well, for what it's worth. It's the same with Messi and Kaka, innit? It's enjoyable watching them play.

[Mike]

Matt Cassell will get a nice payday somewhere and will play s*** and get benched after one year of starting elsewhere.

That's my guess anyway.

It's the receivers and AirMcDaniels that's making him look so good. Welker and Moss are a great tandem.

I know you're just trying to wind me up but Brady got those 3 SBs before he had a decent receiver on his team.

MVP! MVP! MVP!

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[Mike]

Matt Cassell will get a nice payday somewhere and will play s*** and get benched after one year of starting elsewhere.

That's my guess anyway.

Lions. Can't think of any other place he could go.

Apisith, everyone outside of NE hates Tom Brady. f*** that guy.

What's he done to you?!

I appreciate good players, dude. I like Brady 'cos he just kept winning then exploded last year. First-ballot HoFamer playing in his prime. Getting the chance to watch one of the best QBs ever play week-in-week-out is awesome. I like Peyton a lot as well, for what it's worth. It's the same with Messi and Kaka, innit? It's enjoyable watching them play.

What's he done to me? He's a hall of fame QB that plays in the same division as my team.

[Pip]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Interesting link that I found. Just look at the pile of s*** QBs that are near the top. Romo? Rivers? Culpepper? Cutler? Palmer? f*** off. The QB rating is a joke. For some reason, it seems to favour the modern era QBs. Out of the top 10, only three deserve to be there (Montana, Peyton and Brady).

[Pip]

Matt Cassell will get a nice payday somewhere and will play s*** and get benched after one year of starting elsewhere.

That's my guess anyway.

Lions. Can't think of any other place he could go.

Apisith, everyone outside of NE hates Tom Brady. f*** that guy.

What's he done to you?!

I appreciate good players, dude. I like Brady 'cos he just kept winning then exploded last year. First-ballot HoFamer playing in his prime. Getting the chance to watch one of the best QBs ever play week-in-week-out is awesome. I like Peyton a lot as well, for what it's worth. It's the same with Messi and Kaka, innit? It's enjoyable watching them play.

What's he done to me? He's a hall of fame QB that plays in the same division as my team.

Tough s***, motherfucker!

[Shak]

Brady is about as clutch as it gets, he's exactly the type of QB you want in a playoff caliber team. No mistakes, makes the plays when needed and basically doesn't choke under pressure.

Similar to Montana from what I've heard.

I still think Peyton's a better QB though, much like I think Elway and Marino were better QB's than Montana. These are the kind of guys that can take a s*** team and singlehandedly make them competitive.

Not sure Brady could have done that like Manning has in Indy tbh.

[Shak]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Interesting link that I found. Just look at the pile of s*** QBs that are near the top. Romo? Rivers? Culpepper? Cutler? Palmer? f*** off. The QB rating is a joke. For some reason, it seems to favour the modern era QBs. Out of the top 10, only three deserve to be there (Montana, Peyton and Brady).

The league changed their rules too much to favour offenses, particularly in the passing game.

Much easier to pass the ball these day, hence the list.

[Mike]

Matt Cassell will get a nice payday somewhere and will play s*** and get benched after one year of starting elsewhere.

That's my guess anyway.

Lions. Can't think of any other place he could go.

Apisith, everyone outside of NE hates Tom Brady. f*** that guy.

What's he done to you?!

I appreciate good players, dude. I like Brady 'cos he just kept winning then exploded last year. First-ballot HoFamer playing in his prime. Getting the chance to watch one of the best QBs ever play week-in-week-out is awesome. I like Peyton a lot as well, for what it's worth. It's the same with Messi and Kaka, innit? It's enjoyable watching them play.

What's he done to me? He's a hall of fame QB that plays in the same division as my team.

Tough s***, motherfucker!

[Pip]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Interesting link that I found. Just look at the pile of s*** QBs that are near the top. Romo? Rivers? Culpepper? Cutler? Palmer? f*** off. The QB rating is a joke. For some reason, it seems to favour the modern era QBs. Out of the top 10, only three deserve to be there (Montana, Peyton and Brady).

The league changed their rules too much to favour offenses, particularly in the passing game.

Much easier to pass the ball these day, hence the list.

Feels weird when you look down the list and see famous names like Tarkinton, Moon, Kelly and Aikman. And all of them are ranked 25 or lower.

Anyway, what you said is right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NFL_quarterbacks_who_have_posted_a_perfect_passer_rating

Link confirms that more QBs are posting perfect games than ever. And Peyton tops the list with 4!

[Pip]

Brady is about as clutch as it gets, he's exactly the type of QB you want in a playoff caliber team. No mistakes, makes the plays when needed and basically doesn't choke under pressure.

Similar to Montana from what I've heard.

I still think Peyton's a better QB though, much like I think Elway and Marino were better QB's than Montana. These are the kind of guys that can take a s*** team and singlehandedly make them competitive.

Not sure Brady could have done that like Manning has in Indy tbh.

I agree with that. I don't think Brady's the type of QB that basically calls his own plays and audibles 3 times before zipping a perfect 30 yarder for a TD. He plays the team game well and it has obviously benefitted him and his team to do so.

But, I don't know, he wins, man. And that's all that matters at the end of the day. Montana, as far as I've read, was the same. He just won. Didn't need to throw 3 TDs every game for his team to win but if he had to, he would do it. Like Brady. Give him some time in the pocket and they'll make big plays in big games.

But with Manning, the consistency is there, and the standard is amazingly high. But he's choked many times in big games, and maybe it's because he's so good otherwise that he gets criticised for it. He's won a SB so it definitely puts him up there with the very best. If he gets a couple more then there's no doubt he'll be rated as the best ever. Likewise, if Brady gets one more, I think he's the best ever as well. If not already.

[Shak]

I dunno, I don't think you can really use SB's won as a barometer for being the best.

I doubt the Colts would have had a winning record any year without Manning, he basically is that team. Brady is huge, but take him away and they still win some games. Without Peyton, Indy's a 4-12 team tbh.

It's like with Elway, he was Denver's team for a decade. Then they finally got some other good players on O and he wins 2 Superbowls in a row. Had he had that team for longer, like Montana did, you gotta figure he gets a lot more rings.

[Stu]

I dunno, I don't think you can really use SB's won as a barometer for being the best.

I doubt the Colts would have had a winning record any year without Manning, he basically is that team. Brady is huge, but take him away and they still win some games. Without Peyton, Indy's a 4-12 team tbh.

It's like with Elway, he was Denver's team for a decade. Then they finally got some other good players on O and he wins 2 Superbowls in a row. Had he had that team for longer, like Montana did, you gotta figure he gets a lot more rings.

Aye, but while Manning was knocking out his best seasons with his extremely good WR targets, Brady was winning superbowls with dross to aim for. As soon as Brady gets a couple of good targets, he breaks pretty much every record and is just an outrageous helmet-catch away from posting 19-0.

Probably didn't do Brady justice in my original post, just a little high off watching a very good game - it's no secret that Welker makes any QB look good, Brady included, but Cassell's improvement/increase in confidence has been remarkable over the season.

[Dem BABA]

Another good win for Ravens. The score was 36-7 but the points came off a reurn, so the defence kept a clean sheet. Flacco and co. were pretty poor in all honesty, but the Eagles were much, much worse. They literally did nothing at all, the entire game. A big deal was made of McNabb being sat down in the second half,  but any sane person would have done the same. He needs to take an ornithology course because he seemed to confuse which bird was which! The new one they put in was in bad sitaution and did poorly as well. Looking at the records of teams in the conference, the Ravens do have a very legitimate shot at making the playoff. I must say I am very impressed with this new management. The team has lost talent from the poor team a year ago and installed a very young quarterback, yet they are flying high.

[chicago_shearer]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Interesting link that I found. Just look at the pile of s*** QBs that are near the top. Romo? Rivers? Culpepper? Cutler? Palmer? f*** off. The QB rating is a joke. For some reason, it seems to favour the modern era QBs. Out of the top 10, only three deserve to be there (Montana, Peyton and Brady)

Romo might have a high passer rating because he routinely throws 300+ yard games. Maybe.

[Shak]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Interesting link that I found. Just look at the pile of s*** QBs that are near the top. Romo? Rivers? Culpepper? Cutler? Palmer? f*** off. The QB rating is a joke. For some reason, it seems to favour the modern era QBs. Out of the top 10, only three deserve to be there (Montana, Peyton and Brady)

Romo might have a high passer rating because he routinely throws 300+ yard games. Maybe.

You think Romo is one of the all-time greats then?

[chicago_shearer]

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_rating_career.htm

Interesting link that I found. Just look at the pile of s*** QBs that are near the top. Romo? Rivers? Culpepper? Cutler? Palmer? f*** off. The QB rating is a joke. For some reason, it seems to favour the modern era QBs. Out of the top 10, only three deserve to be there (Montana, Peyton and Brady)

Romo might have a high passer rating because he routinely throws 300+ yard games. Maybe.

You think Romo is one of the all-time greats then?

No, I just don't think he is a "pile of s*** QB".  He gets big numbers because he makes big plays.  He has a high average because he hasn't been in the league as long (Aikman had an 0-11 season in his career.)  And because he plays for a team with a high powered offense, and not some boring West Coast bullshit.  The QB rating isn't a measure of all-time greatness, but the number isn't arbitrary either.  It shows how well a player performed in a given season (Romo has been exceptional in his three years) but shouldn't be averaged because some players started out poorly and then developed into good players. 

I'd also question why Apisith is so quick to dismiss Steve Young & Peyton Manning, also in the top 10.  They are (were) great players.

[Pip]

I missed out Steve Young. He deserves a place on that list. Maybe not the top 10, though. And I mentioned Manning (the Peyton reference...)

No, the rankings aren't arbitrary but they're misleading to the average football fan. Before I had viewed the site, I assumed the usual HoF qbs would make up the top 10 or so and then the others would fill out the page. But to see players like Romo and Rivers is the top 10 clearly shows that the stat is flawed. Although it tries to measure QB performance as objectively as possible, it's missing one of the biggest stats in football: wins. There should be a minimum amount of games played condition that eliminates the newbies like Romo, Rivers and Culter. I don't know, 75 games started?

I agree with stupeedo. Brady's had one season with the type of receivers that Manning has been blessed with his whole career and explodes in record-breaking fashion. He's also been the qb for the team that set the record for most consecutive wins and the record for second-most consecutive wins by a team (21 and 18, iirc). 9 consecutive playoffs wins only adds to his resume as a big-game player and this was accomplished at a time when he had the corpse of Troy Brown to throw to. Enough, anyway. This debate has no right or wrong answer. I hope Brady comes back in top condition next season and I hope Peyton starts next season healthy. They're awesome to watch.

[chicago_shearer]

You probably shouldn't average the rating over multiple seasons at all, but I take your point.  Wins are an important factor, but it may flatter the quarterback.  Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, as did Brad Johnson, Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning (who is certainly better this season than he was for most of last season when he won it all).  If you want to talk about "all time" greatness it is difficult to argue with this list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_starts

[midds]

7-0 Titans after 90 seconds. 4 plays so far. 

This is going to get messy.

[midds]

14-3. 91 yards rushing already. 

[Shak]

Detroit are absolutely embarrassing.

Conned one of my mates into having everyone over for Thanksgiving dinner. She's an amazing cook. 

[Shak]

You probably shouldn't average the rating over multiple seasons at all, but I take your point.  Wins are an important factor, but it may flatter the quarterback.  Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, as did Brad Johnson, Ben Roethlisberger and Eli Manning (who is certainly better this season than he was for most of last season when he won it all).  If you want to talk about "all time" greatness it is difficult to argue with this list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Quarterbacks_with_multiple_Super_Bowl_starts

No Manning or Marino?

Yeah, pretty easy to argue with that tbh.

[Mike]

There is another two hours of this.