Topic: "I have th ename of 2000 Communists (whoops) I meant Muslims ........"

[Rob W]

'Thousands' pose UK terror threat 
 
Jonathan Evans took over as director of MI5 in April
There are at least 2,000 people in the UK who pose a threat to national security because of their support for terrorism, the head of MI5 has said.
Jonathan Evans announced the figure - an increase of 400 since November 2006 - in a speech in Manchester.

He said children as young as 15 were involved in terrorist-related activity.

Resources that could be devoted to counter-terrorism were instead being used to protect the UK against spying by Russia, China and others, he added.

There had been "no decrease" in the number of Russian covert intelligence officers operating in the UK since the end of the Cold War, Mr Evans said.

"A number of countries continue to devote considerable time and energy trying to steal our sensitive technology on civilian and military projects, and trying to obtain political and economic intelligence at our expense."

It was "a matter of some disappointment", he said, that this ongoing threat continued to take up significant amounts of equipment, money and staff.

'Deliberate campaign'

Mr Evans took over as director general of MI5 in April from Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller.

 

[Parky]

'Thousands' pose UK terror threat 
 
Jonathan Evans took over as director of MI5 in April
There are at least 2,000 people in the UK who pose a threat to national security because of their support for terrorism, the head of MI5 has said.
Jonathan Evans announced the figure - an increase of 400 since November 2006 - in a speech in Manchester.

He said children as young as 15 were involved in terrorist-related activity.

Resources that could be devoted to counter-terrorism were instead being used to protect the UK against spying by Russia, China and others, he added.

There had been "no decrease" in the number of Russian covert intelligence officers operating in the UK since the end of the Cold War, Mr Evans said.

"A number of countries continue to devote considerable time and energy trying to steal our sensitive technology on civilian and military projects, and trying to obtain political and economic intelligence at our expense."

It was "a matter of some disappointment", he said, that this ongoing threat continued to take up significant amounts of equipment, money and staff.

'Deliberate campaign'

Mr Evans took over as director general of MI5 in April from Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller.

 

 

[ChezGiven]

Laugh away Parky, the problem doesnt exist, its just the government making stuff up as they want to take away your LIBERTY!!!!

Ffs 

[ChezGiven]

Talking of terrorist threats, is there still a restriction on hand luggage flying out of the uk?

[alex]

Talking of terrorist threats, is there still a restriction on hand luggage flying out of the uk?

Aye. Slightly relaxed though. The restrictions are EU wide iirc and also include the US, Canada, Australia etc.

[ChezGiven]

Talking of terrorist threats, is there still a restriction on hand luggage flying out of the uk?

Aye. Slightly relaxed though. The restrictions are EU wide iirc and also include the US, Canada, Australia etc.

I think its just the uk, unless you mean all those as destinations?. I can take a carry on and a laptop bag out of france but the last time i flew out the uk i had to check the carry on bag. f***ing annoying.

[NE5]

'Thousands' pose UK terror threat 
 
Jonathan Evans took over as director of MI5 in April
There are at least 2,000 people in the UK who pose a threat to national security because of their support for terrorism, the head of MI5 has said.
Jonathan Evans announced the figure - an increase of 400 since November 2006 - in a speech in Manchester.

He said children as young as 15 were involved in terrorist-related activity.

Resources that could be devoted to counter-terrorism were instead being used to protect the UK against spying by Russia, China and others, he added.

There had been "no decrease" in the number of Russian covert intelligence officers operating in the UK since the end of the Cold War, Mr Evans said.

"A number of countries continue to devote considerable time and energy trying to steal our sensitive technology on civilian and military projects, and trying to obtain political and economic intelligence at our expense."

It was "a matter of some disappointment", he said, that this ongoing threat continued to take up significant amounts of equipment, money and staff.

'Deliberate campaign'

Mr Evans took over as director general of MI5 in April from Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller.

 

apart from the strange obsession you have with anti west propaganda Rob, whats your point of posting this ?

[Rob W]

still one bag only onboard but they'll relax it this month sometime when BAA can actually handle the people - pretty much only OUT of teh UK

Same with duty free if you are in transit to teh UK

[alex]

Talking of terrorist threats, is there still a restriction on hand luggage flying out of the uk?

Aye. Slightly relaxed though. The restrictions are EU wide iirc and also include the US, Canada, Australia etc.

I think its just the uk, unless you mean all those as destinations?. I can take a carry on and a laptop bag out of france but the last time i flew out the uk i had to check the carry on bag. f***ing annoying.

Aye, it's just the one bag. I'd forgotten about that. The other places have the liquid restrictions though.

[Parky]

Laugh away Parky, the problem doesnt exist, its just the government making stuff up as they want to take away your LIBERTY!!!!

Ffs 

The language is so vague it could have come out of the politburo in the 60's.

Is the halal chip shop in Wembley still in the top 10 threat category or is it the grand mufti of Mandela Towers?

You're getting out of control Chez first Indi and now the great Parkenstien have to mull your new pet subject.

"Islam the theological danger to the West".  :parky:

[Rob W]

you know NO-ONE has been held for more than 21 days so far.....................  so why double up??

[NE5]

Laugh away Parky, the problem doesnt exist, its just the government making stuff up as they want to take away your LIBERTY!!!!

Ffs 

The language is so vague it could have come out of the politburo in the 60's.

Is the halal chip shop in Wembley still in the top 10 threat category or is it the grand mufti of Mandela Towers?

You're getting out of control Chez first Indi and now the great Parkenstien have to mull your new pet subject.

"Islam the theological danger to the West".  :parky:

got a lot of time for your football posts Parky mate, but in this area ......... too many people with their heads in the sand.

[Rob W]

You're right - too many sleep walking towards "1984"

[NE5]

You're right - too many sleep walking towards "1984"

don't tell me, thats when you defected from the eastern bloc

[alex]

Parky (and I'm guessing it's deliberate) you're misrepresenting Chez. He's saying Islamic extremism is driven by theology and the preaching of hatred specifically. And the subsequent actions taken by those influenced by that theology threaten each and every one of us. Your take on what he's actually saying is, ironically, very 'tabloid'.

[ChezGiven]

Laugh away Parky, the problem doesnt exist, its just the government making stuff up as they want to take away your LIBERTY!!!!

Ffs 

The language is so vague it could have come out of the politburo in the 60's.

Is the halal chip shop in Wembley still in the top 10 threat category or is it the grand mufti of Mandela Towers?

You're getting out of control Chez first Indi and now the great Parkenstien have to mull your new pet subject.

"Islam the theological danger to the West".  :parky:

The report on Radio 4 was less vague. Havent heard the speech directly but the numbers speak for themselves.

Instead of posting facile jokes why not have a go at my point of view and tell me where it doesnt stand up.

Living in germany its easy to just assume this is propaganda. Its not though, its real and it is about dangerous ideology not politics. You think abu-hamza dissected the political landscape in the middle east in his mosque? Or preached from a warped view of the qu'ran? 

[ChezGiven]

Parky (and I'm guessing it's deliberate) you're misrepresenting Chez. He's saying Islamic extremism is driven by theology and the preaching of hatred specifically. And the subsequent actions taken by those influenced by that theology threaten each and every one of us. Your take on what he's actually saying is, ironically, very 'tabloid'.

 

[Parky]

Laugh away Parky, the problem doesnt exist, its just the government making stuff up as they want to take away your LIBERTY!!!!

Ffs 

The language is so vague it could have come out of the politburo in the 60's.

Is the halal chip shop in Wembley still in the top 10 threat category or is it the grand mufti of Mandela Towers?

You're getting out of control Chez first Indi and now the great Parkenstien have to mull your new pet subject.

"Islam the theological danger to the West".  :parky:

The report on Radio 4 was less vague. Havent heard the speech directly but the numbers speak for themselves.

Instead of posting facile jokes why not have a go at my point of view and tell me where it doesnt stand up.

Living in germany its easy to just assume this is propaganda. Its not though, its real and it is about dangerous ideology not politics. You think abu-hamza dissected the political landscape in the middle east in his mosque? Or preached from a warped view of the qu'ran? 

I'm hoping Johnnypd will save me a lot of typing vis a vie Indi. :giggle:

[ChezGiven]

Laugh away Parky, the problem doesnt exist, its just the government making stuff up as they want to take away your LIBERTY!!!!

Ffs 

The language is so vague it could have come out of the politburo in the 60's.

Is the halal chip shop in Wembley still in the top 10 threat category or is it the grand mufti of Mandela Towers?

You're getting out of control Chez first Indi and now the great Parkenstien have to mull your new pet subject.

"Islam the theological danger to the West".  :parky:

The report on Radio 4 was less vague. Havent heard the speech directly but the numbers speak for themselves.

Instead of posting facile jokes why not have a go at my point of view and tell me where it doesnt stand up.

Living in germany its easy to just assume this is propaganda. Its not though, its real and it is about dangerous ideology not politics. You think abu-hamza dissected the political landscape in the middle east in his mosque? Or preached from a warped view of the qu'ran? 

I'm hoping Johnnypd will save me a lot of typing vis a vie Indi. :giggle:

Ignoring the question as usual.

[Parky]

Parky (and I'm guessing it's deliberate) you're misrepresenting Chez. He's saying Islamic extremism is driven by theology and the preaching of hatred specifically. And the subsequent actions taken by those influenced by that theology threaten each and every one of us. Your take on what he's actually saying is, ironically, very 'tabloid'.

There are more Mi5 at the Hal Kidder coffee mornings than looney muslim extremists.

[alex]

Parky (and I'm guessing it's deliberate) you're misrepresenting Chez. He's saying Islamic extremism is driven by theology and the preaching of hatred specifically. And the subsequent actions taken by those influenced by that theology threaten each and every one of us. Your take on what he's actually saying is, ironically, very 'tabloid'.

There are more Mi5 at the Hal Kidder coffee mornings than looney muslim extremists.

Perhaps it wasn't deliberate.

[Rob W]

You're right - too many sleep walking towards "1984"

don't tell me, thats when you defected from the eastern bloc

oh dear................   

and there's me with my pristine record of fighting against oppresion in all shapes and forms where'ere it is to be found

[Haz]

it is about dangerous ideology not politics.

Absolutely Chez but let me add (without 'pissing on the chips') that in the case of Islam, there is little difference between theology and politics, for both are the same aim, internally and abroad.

I suspect you and others may not be taken seriously because what we claim looks, on the face of it, too simplistic. Taking the religion (sorry to use that word but that is what it is) for what it states and claims, gives you full understanding of what these people are about. But one must remember there are thousands of Muslims, in this country also, who do not want what their religion demands. They cannot speak up for fear of brutal reprisal but know full well they will be subsumed into the tyranny of it all, should adventurous Islam, funded by Saudi money, get its way abroad.

[johnnypd]

Talking of terrorist threats, is there still a restriction on hand luggage flying out of the uk?

Aye. Slightly relaxed though. The restrictions are EU wide iirc and also include the US, Canada, Australia etc.

I think its just the uk, unless you mean all those as destinations?. I can take a carry on and a laptop bag out of france but the last time i flew out the uk i had to check the carry on bag. f***ing annoying.

i took my laptop as carry-on a few months back, to the US. it wasn't in a separate case tho, which might explain why.

[Rob W]

"in the case of Islam, there is little difference between theology and politics, for both are the same aim, internally and abroad."

I don''t think I've read a stupider, less well informed, statement in months......