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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #50 on: Thursday 1 November 2007, 12:10:55 AM »
anyone watch? excellent, imo, will definitely watch the next episode.

Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #51 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 11:02:13 AM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #52 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 11:09:38 AM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

In what way was it not realistic? Do you have more insight into the rationale behind suicide bombers' actions? If so, how?

Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #53 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 11:15:06 AM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

In what way was it not realistic? Do you have more insight into the rationale behind suicide bombers' actions? If so, how?

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #54 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 11:57:47 AM »
What can I say, apart from what I picked up hanging around Baghdad.

Seriously there was no real exploration behind Islam's reasons (or people’s twisted views of Islam) for suicide bombers, only the odd scene or two. It should have shown the "spiritual journey" a suicide bomber goes on. The idea that I picked up was that the girl turned to terrorism because her best friend hung herself after her treatment by the British State. Just doesn't happen that way, did you see many Catholics in Northern Ireland committing suicide bombings after their treatment by the British State or the ANC undergoing suicide missions? There has to be other reasons behind it. During her training it didn’t show any sort of indoctrination what so ever. I might be wrong, but I’m also pretty sure that an unveiled woman would not be able to train with militants in Pakistan (just picking this up as example of how the producers ignored the place of women in Islam).

 Also why did they not explore how racism that exists in a lot of Muslim families contributes to extremism (for example the scene where the father went off it when she mentioned having a Christian boyfriend) and alienation from society.

I also thought the statistics at the end of the show about how British Muslims felt about British policy was just an excuse for the extremism that currently exists. Yes no doubt the recent policies of the British Government over the last ten years have accelerated the process of extremism but  Islamist extremists have been on the rise for more than the last twenty years all over the world and in the UK since before the recent gulf war and September the 11th. I would never end this message if I went into the origins and reasons for Islamic extremism!

By the way I’m not anti-Islam as I realise that any religion can be twisted, but I just thought that channel 4 missed an opportunity to educate viewers to both sides of the argument.

alex

Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #55 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 01:17:55 PM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

In what way was it not realistic? Do you have more insight into the rationale behind suicide bombers' actions? If so, how?
They should interview suicide bombers to see why they did it.

GM

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #56 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 01:35:21 PM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

In what way was it not realistic? Do you have more insight into the rationale behind suicide bombers' actions? If so, how?
They should interview suicide bombers to see why they did it.

That has to be one of your best ideas ever.

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #57 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 01:37:24 PM »
Ridz will have a field day with that idea. :lol:

alex

Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #58 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 01:38:44 PM »
Reminds me of when Leazes said on TT he thought the death penalty would be a good deterrent for it.

Dave

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #59 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 01:40:55 PM »
Was that Leazes or toondood?

;)

GM

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #60 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 01:44:32 PM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

In what way was it not realistic? Do you have more insight into the rationale behind suicide bombers' actions? If so, how?
They should interview suicide bombers to see why they did it.
That has to be one of your best ideas ever.
Ridz will have a field day with that idea. :lol:

"Yes,actually I think this is a very good idea.Although you would need to interview them just before they triggered the bomb,which would require very precisely timings.But,what other way do we have of ever understanding the thinkings of suicidal bombers?" [/Ridzuan]   :lol:

GM

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #61 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 01:45:43 PM »
Reminds me of when Leazes said on TT he thought the death penalty would be a good deterrent for it.

Should run for Parliament with a brain like that, tbh.

Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #62 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 02:31:38 PM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

In what way was it not realistic? Do you have more insight into the rationale behind suicide bombers' actions? If so, how?
They should interview suicide bombers to see why they did it.
That has to be one of your best ideas ever.
Ridz will have a field day with that idea. :lol:

"Yes,actually I think this is a very good idea.Although you would need to interview them just before they triggered the bomb,which would require very precisely timings.But,what other way do we have of ever understanding the thinkings of suicidal bombers?" [/Ridzuan]   :lol:

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #63 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 03:32:53 PM »
Watched last night's show and was pretty unimpressed, not  realistic and didn't explore the real reasons behind suicide bombers.

In what way was it not realistic? Do you have more insight into the rationale behind suicide bombers' actions? If so, how?
They should interview suicide bombers to see why they did it.
That has to be one of your best ideas ever.
Ridz will have a field day with that idea. :lol:

"Yes,actually I think this is a very good idea.Although you would need to interview them just before they triggered the bomb,which would require very precisely timings.But,what other way do we have of ever understanding the thinkings of suicidal bombers?" [/Ridzuan]   :lol:

but the question now is how we can know & recognize he is suicidal bomber or no? i simply awaiting ridz ideafor that :lol:

Haz

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #64 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 05:13:17 PM »
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Scott Atran, Research Director at the National Center for Scientific Research in Paris, France, has experimented extensively on the ways scientists and ordinary people categorize and reason about nature. He currently is an organizer of a NATO working group on suicide terrorism. His publications include In Gods We Trust: The Evolutionary Landscape of Religion and The Native Mind: Cognition and Culture in Human Knowledge of Nature (co-authored with Douglas Medin and forthcoming from Oxford University Press).


Its already been done. it's not as daft as it sounds. There have been many failed suicide bombers (for one reason or another) and have been captured and imprisoned. These guys have been extensively interviewed by Atran and his colleagues, quite seperately to the likes of Mossad and the CIA. It is their studies that give us an idea into the bomber's psyche and (as pointed out before) their findings would come as a suprise.

Very few could be categorised as angry, vicious young men. Most are very composed, fundamentalist and serene in the knowledge of their indoctrination.  There are a few who have managed to give some thought to their actions and are horrified by what they were prepared to do.  Bravery for instance, is not so strong as a complete faith in Paradise to come. They are safe in the knowledge that paradise awaits their families also - providing they take as many infidels as possible with them.

If you want to get into the head of a muslim suicide bomber just examine his doctrines and what he is told.  It is nothing to do with zealous policing; it is a pure and certain knowledge that they are doing the right thing for Allah and for their just rewards.
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GM

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #65 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 05:15:40 PM »
Oh Haswell, marra... :nope:

Haz

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #66 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 05:18:47 PM »
What? as in explain?
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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #67 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 05:21:59 PM »
What? as in explain?

Go p*ss on someone else's chips.

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #68 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 07:00:43 PM »
Reminds me of when Leazes said on TT he thought the death penalty would be a good deterrent for it.

fairly straightforward Alex, electrocute them and they can't do it again.  Take note and observe is the message. Of course, seeing people getting let off deters them doesn't it ?

Saves money too.

Why mess around eh

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #69 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 07:01:40 PM »
Reminds me of when Leazes said on TT he thought the death penalty would be a good deterrent for it.

fairly straightforward Alex, electrocute them and they can't do it again.  Take note and observe is the message. Of course, seeing people getting let off deters them doesn't it ?

Saves money too.

Why mess around eh



Getting let off? :lol:

NE5

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #70 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 07:02:07 PM »
Was that Leazes or toondood?

;)

is this some other name I'm being lumbered with, like Beermonster ........ zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I like beer mind, I'll admit that.

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"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #71 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 07:03:46 PM »
:lol:
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NE5

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #72 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 07:05:54 PM »
:lol:

after that decent post the other day, I see you are back to normal

 :nope:
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"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #73 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 07:11:35 PM »
Explain how you let a suicide bomber off NE5. Apart from, you know, well, letting them go off.

NE5

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Re: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'
« Reply #74 on: Friday 2 November 2007, 07:17:26 PM »
Explain how you let a suicide bomber off NE5. Apart from, you know, well, letting them go off.

talking terrorists and scumbags generally. I know there are people out there who think we should "understand" them or something.

We could always shoot suspected suicide bombers first, but would have to accept the odd mistake now and again. Just to be topical like

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"He wants what we want and goes to the games for the same reason as we do, he wants us to win for the pleasure that brings.  He wants to build the club up and put everything in place to make sure we can maintain a high position once we reach it." - mick [aka Stephensons Rocket], aug 10th 2008

"I think Keegan would be a daft option, he's been here and done the best he could." - mick, 6th March 2006

"Ashley will do something Shepherd has never ever done, he'll spend HIS own personal money on players as the club will be his." - mick 7th June 2007

I think we've done well in the last window - mick, 23 Oct 2008

any individual or group resourceful enough to raise the £100 million plus that would be needed today to take over the club is likely also to be intelligent and resourceful enough to make a better fist of it than the current board - ozzie mandiarse 24th Oct 2006