Topic: Muslim group: C4 should axe 'Britz'

[Haz]

Islamophobia is a big problem, but the real question is this: why did we let it become such a big problem in the first place?

Natural human fear of reprisal and too much damn respect for stupid religious sensibility.

I don't really see a problem with your example, tbh. They set time aside for women, old people, pregnant women, people with babies, etc. etc.

Not the same thing. There may be sessions for the elderly, pregnant women etc, but we were never into special swimming sessions for catholics only. Hell you'd never be able to get into the baths for the bloody Baptists!  Muslim women were there by segregation; at the behest of their masters.  Must be damn hard backstroking in a Burkha?

I have heard many of the moderate mullahs living abroad and are spending their time railing against the avowed intent to live under Sharia law. One who was living in Canada and head of a large community of moderate muslims said (to the Wahhabist element) "Are you crazy?? we came to these countries to escape this tyranny and now you want to bring it here?" Thats quite encouraging.

[juniatmoko]

As Ive said before; If they are offended - they can stay offended. Free speech, art and expression, in a democratic country, is non negotiable.

No logic here?

[alex]

Or move to Spain, not learn the language and write regular irony-free letters to the Mail complaining about immigration destroying the UK.

Yes, exactly the same situation! 

The same situation as what?

Folk who have left for warmer climates in their later years of life to relax and enjoy reitrement with plenty of money in their pocket do not try to impose their own religious and political views on society do they, let's be honest...

I wasn't saying it was the same thing though. It was a tongue in cheek response to the post above mine. I'll stick a wink on next time. If you read the thread (always a good idea ) you'll see I'm against people imposing their religious views on others. And the people you mention (i.e. those who retire abroad from the UK) just tend to be hypocrites.

[ChezGiven]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=NWAGUCWU2VCL5QFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2007/10/30/nmosques130.xml

Someone needs to keep pointing this out. This whole debate is about theology not repression. Irrelevant that it comes from a right wing think tank.

Extremist literature that encourages hatred of gays, Christians and Jews can be easily found at many of Britain's mosques, according to a new survey.
 
Researchers for the centre-Right think tank Policy Exchange claims it found the literature in a quarter of the 100 mosques and Islamic institutions they visited.

Many of the publications allegedly called on British Muslims to segregate themselves from non-Muslims and for unbelievers to be treated as second-class citizens wherever possible.

The literature also allegedly contained repeated calls for gays to be thrown from mountains and tall buildings and for women to be subjugated.

Policy Exchange said that among the documents were the anti-Semitic forgery, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, and other publications peddling bizarre conspiracy theories.

Anthony Browne, the director of Policy Exchange, said: "It is clearly intolerable that hate literature is peddled at some British mosques.

"I am sure the majority of moderate Muslims will be as horrified as everyone else that pamphlets advocating jihad by force, hatred for insufficiently observant Muslims, Christians and Jews, and segregationhave found their way into the UK's mosques."

Policy Exchange visited more than 100 mosques and other Islamic institutions and said it found the literature was accessible both openly and "under the counter". Altogether some 80 books and pamphlets were collected over the course of a year.

Many of the institutions were among the best funded and most active of Britain's 1,500 or so Islamic establishments. In several cases they had received official visits from politicians and even members of the royal family.

Dr Yunes Teinaz, of the London Central Mosque, said: "Any book or literature like this found in the mosque will reflect the views of the author and not at all the view of the mosque." He added that the bookshop in the mosque was not run by the mosque, but was a franchise.

Iqbal Sacranie, a former secretary general of the Muslim Council of Great Britain, criticised the report. He said: "The majority of Muslims will totally dismiss this because it is written by the Policy Exchange, who have an agenda to denigrate the mainstream of Islam in this country.

"If there is any material which falls foul of the law, then the law should take its course. We cannot accept messages of hate - there is zero tolerance on that. But it is irresponsible to target religious texts and take them out of context. These texts can be found not just in mosques but in ordinary bookshops - the report overlooks that."

[alex]

Dr Yunes Teinaz, of the London Central Mosque, said: "Any book or literature like this found in the mosque will reflect the views of the author and not at all the view of the mosque." He added that the bookshop in the mosque was not run by the mosque, but was a franchise.

Doesn't he think he should take some responsibility for the books being sold at the Mosque then? Talk about passing the buck.

[ChezGiven]

You can buy pornography in WH Smiths, does he think his Mosque should stock that too?

Its another example of the complicity in mainstream Islam.

[Haz]

"Any book or literature like this found in the mosque will reflect the views of the author and not at all the view of the mosque." He added that the bookshop in the mosque was not run by the mosque, but was a franchise.

Oh yes hello. Do you have a copy of the Torah? How about "Letter to a Christian Nation"? The King James New Testament? Do you do the Three for Two offer?   I thought not. I will have that last copy of "How to field strip an AK74" however. Thank you.

[Wullie]

Extremist literature that encourages hatred of gays, Christians and Jews can be easily found at many of Britain's mosques, according to a new survey.

  It's taken them about 1300 years to clock on?

[NJS]

Extremist literature that encourages hatred of gays, Christians and Jews can be easily found at many of Britain's mosques

Its called the Koran.

[Ian W]

Extremist literature that encourages hatred of gays, Christians and Jews can be easily found at many of Britain's mosques

Its called the Koran.

Ah yes, that's it. There's a similarly dangerous book knocking about in Churches I believe.

[alex]

Extremist literature that encourages hatred of gays, Christians and Jews can be easily found at many of Britain's mosques

Its called the Koran.

Ah yes, that's it. There's a similarly dangerous book knocking about in Churches I believe.

I doubt he'd argue with that tbh and you just need to look at the Christian Right in the good ole US of A to know the problems that can cause.

[Ian W]

Extremist literature that encourages hatred of gays, Christians and Jews can be easily found at many of Britain's mosques

Its called the Koran.

Ah yes, that's it. There's a similarly dangerous book knocking about in Churches I believe.

I doubt he'd argue with that tbh and you just need to look at the Christian Right in the good ole US of A to know the problems that can cause.

I know, I disapprove of all religions equally!

[alex]

Buddhism's alright

[Ian W]

Buddhism's alright

Aye, true, they're the best... if I had to suspend rational reasoning I'd definitely opt for Buddhism.

[Keefaz]

Depends what buddhists you're on about. I've known buddhists that have been brainwashed f***ing idiots.

[alex]

Depends what buddhists you're on about. I've known buddhists that have been brainwashed f***ing idiots.

I'm on about the Shoalin monks the Wu-Tang Clan like.

[ChezGiven]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

[Keefaz]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

I love the fact they charge about £1500 to learn the f***ing technique. Bargain. Think I'd rather just spend it on a f***ing big TV, thanks.

[ChezGiven]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

I love the fact they charge about £1500 to learn the f***ing technique. Bargain. Think I'd rather just spend it on a f***ing big TV, thanks.

Always thinking about the money Keef, when are you going to learn, money is an illusion that has trapped your mind??

[Keefaz]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

I love the fact they charge about £1500 to learn the f***ing technique. Bargain. Think I'd rather just spend it on a f***ing big TV, thanks.

Always thinking about the money Keef, when are you going to learn, money is an illusion that has trapped your mind??

Tell these money-grabbing TM c***s that, then.

[ChezGiven]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

I love the fact they charge about £1500 to learn the f***ing technique. Bargain. Think I'd rather just spend it on a f***ing big TV, thanks.

Always thinking about the money Keef, when are you going to learn, money is an illusion that has trapped your mind??

Tell these money-grabbing TM c***s that, then.

Larn yourself it.

[Keefaz]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

I love the fact they charge about £1500 to learn the f***ing technique. Bargain. Think I'd rather just spend it on a f***ing big TV, thanks.

Always thinking about the money Keef, when are you going to learn, money is an illusion that has trapped your mind??

Tell these money-grabbing TM c***s that, then.

Larn yourself it.

I thought the only way to learn it was to visit a qualified TM instructor? I heard that 20-30 years ago you could just turn up and give them whatever you could afford and they'd teach you. Now they want over a thousand pounds.

Are they really trying to teach people, or are they trying to makes pots of f***ing cash?

[ChezGiven]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

I love the fact they charge about £1500 to learn the f***ing technique. Bargain. Think I'd rather just spend it on a f***ing big TV, thanks.

Always thinking about the money Keef, when are you going to learn, money is an illusion that has trapped your mind??

Tell these money-grabbing TM c***s that, then.

Larn yourself it.

I thought the only way to learn it was to visit a qualified TM instructor? I heard that 20-30 years ago you could just turn up and give them whatever you could afford and they'd teach you. Now they want over a thousand pounds.

Are they really trying to teach people, or are they trying to makes pots of f***ing cash?

Become a Buddhist. Cheaper than paying for some course off t'interweb.

Or do this

http://www.natural-stress-relief.com/stress/mantra-meditation.htm

They probably charge for TM since it has been scientifically proven to help people. 

[GM]

T.M. is a bit pass-ay...

Autogenic therapy is where it's at, baby. Apparently. 

[indi]

The benefits of transcendental meditation have been scientifically documented.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendental_Meditation

I've tried to push things in this direction before.

I love the fact they charge about £1500 to learn the f***ing technique. Bargain. Think I'd rather just spend it on a f***ing big TV, thanks.

Always thinking about the money Keef, when are you going to learn, money is an illusion that has trapped your mind??

Tell these money-grabbing TM c***s that, then.

Larn yourself it.

In South America wherever you go there's a little Buddhist restaurant which serves veggie set-meals, it's not the most tasty food I've ever had, but you get s*** loads of it and it costs bugger all. Unfortunately, the few experiences I've had with Buddhists over here don't quite match up to their supposed caring-sharing philosophy to anywhere near that level. For example, my Dad got stopped in the street by a Hare Krishna who offered him a "free" book, then asked for a "donation", when my Day said no ta, he demanded the book back.