Topic: Time for English Independence?

[Invicta_Toon]

Is it now time for England to declare independance from the political union that is the UK?

I don't mean losing the Queen as head of state, and do not propose leaving the Commonwealth (just look at France FFS)

some facts:

-the Sun bod Gary Bushell is standing for Mayor of London on an English Parliament ticket
-the Scottish parliament has an albeit minority,  government for independance
-the UK has a government shored up by scottish and welsh New Labour mps
-New Labour is actually a minority government in England
-Wales no longer contributes economically to the UK
-Northern Ireland no longer requires a strong Union for support
-the next prime minister is Scottish
-Scotland will not pay for electricity generated in future English power stations
-Scotland will not accept the siting of future defense assets
-English people living in Wales, Scotland and N.I. are at a disadvatage due to the EU definition of member state

[alex]

Independance? That a festival taking place this summer then?

[ChezGiven]

Independance? That a festival taking place this summer then?

The Indepentent is apparently going to be kicking.

[alex]

Independance? That a festival taking place this summer then?

The Indepentent is apparently going to be kicking.

We're all one nation under a groove man innit?

[Alan Shearer 9]

no one gives a f*** tbh

[ChezGiven]

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

[Invicta_Toon]

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

The EU has made it more important actually.

English people now get treated differently in Scotland because of the EU, while still in their own country!

[Invicta_Toon]

no one gives a f*** tbh

people like you never see the irony in these posts do you?

[ChezGiven]

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

The EU has made it more important actually.

English people now get treated differently in Scotland because of the EU, while still in their own country!

Because of the last point in the OP? Not sure how that is, i've massively taken advantage of it being here. Not been to Scotland for a while but got quite a few mates who are english and live in Edin. Whats the score?

[Invicta_Toon]

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

The EU has made it more important actually.

English people now get treated differently in Scotland because of the EU, while still in their own country!

Because of the last point in the OP? Not sure how that is, i've massively taken advantage of it being here. Not been to Scotland for a while but got quite a few mates who are english and live in Edin. Whats the score?

EU regulations give all sorts of benefits to EU nationals in another EU state, and the local Scottish parliament makes benefits for it's residents, but English people living in Scotland, not being classified as either 'from another EU member state' or as entitiled to Scottish initiatives, fall between the two

[Inochi]

no one gives a f*** tbh

people like you never see the irony in these posts do you?

No. He probably just doesn't give enough of a f*** to notice it. Quite right, too.

[Adam_Harrison9]

Quite an important subject for anyone English tbh.

[GM]

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

The EU has made it more important actually.

English people now get treated differently in Scotland because of the EU, while still in their own country!

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

The EU has made it more important actually.

English people now get treated differently in Scotland because of the EU, while still in their own country!

Because of the last point in the OP? Not sure how that is, i've massively taken advantage of it being here. Not been to Scotland for a while but got quite a few mates who are english and live in Edin. Whats the score?

EU regulations give all sorts of benefits to EU nationals in another EU state, and the local Scottish parliament makes benefits for it's residents, but English people living in Scotland, not being classified as either 'from another EU member state' or as entitiled to Scottish initiatives, fall between the two

Vic: care to elaborate? Because right now, I'm thinking you're talking s****. Again.

[Invicta_Toon]

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

The EU has made it more important actually.

English people now get treated differently in Scotland because of the EU, while still in their own country!

Europe renders all this local devolutionist stuff redundant anyway.

The EU has made it more important actually.

English people now get treated differently in Scotland because of the EU, while still in their own country!

Because of the last point in the OP? Not sure how that is, i've massively taken advantage of it being here. Not been to Scotland for a while but got quite a few mates who are english and live in Edin. Whats the score?

EU regulations give all sorts of benefits to EU nationals in another EU state, and the local Scottish parliament makes benefits for it's residents, but English people living in Scotland, not being classified as either 'from another EU member state' or as entitiled to Scottish initiatives, fall between the two

Vic: care to elaborate? Because right now, I'm thinking you're talking s****. Again.

tuition fees for a start

[GM]

Not quite the full explanation I was looking for. I was kind of hoping you'd be able to point me in the direction of the appropriate EU Directives which give "all sorts of benefits" to English people living in Scotland. Or were you simply referring to the tuition fees issue alone, and trying to make out it was a bigger issue that it is in reality?

[Invicta_Toon]

and tuition fees are small beer?

[GM]

and tuition fees are small beer?

Aye, in the grand scheme of things they're just one small issue that affects a small band of students. There are other people in this world besides students, you know.

So - are you going to tell me how this issue is broader than just tuition fees?

[Parky]

and tuition fees are small beer?

Aye, in the grand scheme of things they're just one small issue that affects a small band of students. There are other people in this world besides students, you know.

So - are you going to tell me how this issue is broader than just tuition fees?

*Vic decamps thread* 

[indi]

-the Sun bod Gary Bushell is standing for Mayor of London on an English Parliament ticket

That's all you need to know really, the answer is an obvious NO.

Are you saying that someone born in England but living in Scotland when they go to uni would have to pay tuition fees?

[GM]

-the Sun bod Gary Bushell is standing for Mayor of London on an English Parliament ticket

That's all you need to know really, the answer is an obvious NO.

Are you saying that someone born in England but living in Scotland when they go to uni would have to pay tuition fees?

Don't feed the animal, indi...

http://www.newcastle-online.com/nufcforum/index.php?topic=41700.msg880463#msg880463 - I'm still waiting for a response Vicky...

[ross magoo]

I remember reading about this issue when studying a Scottish Politics module at uni about 3 years ago and most objective sources at the time led to the conclusion that there simply wasn't enough of an appetite for this to happen in England.  I don't know how people feel about it these days though.

[Keefaz]

Hold on. Because I'm English and would have to pay tuition fees in Scotland or something I should support English independence? Would that make it more likely that I'd be able to go to a Scottish uni free of charge, then?

[Invicta_Toon]

-the Sun bod Gary Bushell is standing for Mayor of London on an English Parliament ticket

That's all you need to know really, the answer is an obvious NO.

Are you saying that someone born in England but living in Scotland when they go to uni would have to pay tuition fees?

an English person coming to Scotland would. not sure if you are officially resident in Scotland when you apply

[indi]

-the Sun bod Gary Bushell is standing for Mayor of London on an English Parliament ticket

That's all you need to know really, the answer is an obvious NO.

Are you saying that someone born in England but living in Scotland when they go to uni would have to pay tuition fees?

an English person coming to Scotland would. not sure if you are officially resident in Scotland when you apply

Can't see how it would be possible for them to charge a Scottish resident tuition fees, so essentially it boils down to a local government issue, similar to some councils subsidising public transport and some not.

It's nothing to do with nationality at all.

[Invicta_Toon]

-the Sun bod Gary Bushell is standing for Mayor of London on an English Parliament ticket

That's all you need to know really, the answer is an obvious NO.

Are you saying that someone born in England but living in Scotland when they go to uni would have to pay tuition fees?

an English person coming to Scotland would. not sure if you are officially resident in Scotland when you apply

Can't see how it would be possible for them to charge a Scottish resident tuition fees, so essentially it boils down to a local government issue, similar to some councils subsidising public transport and some not.

It's nothing to do with nationality at all.

apart from the fact the government is a national one