Topic: Ferry has to apologise for saying Nazi imagery was 'amazing'.

[Parky]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/04/17/nferry17.xml

The singer Bryan Ferry apologised yesterday for saying Nazi imagery was "amazing".

"Bryan Ferry calls his London studio his Fuhrerbunker
The former Roxy Music star, now a model for Marks & Spencer, had praised the look of the regime's parades as well as the work of the Nazi architect Albert Speer in an interview with a German newspap"

This is joke, there totemic and iconic nature of a lot of the Nazi stuff was groundbreaking at the time. Still looks great now. No way should he have to apologise for saying he liked 'the imagery'.

[Kitman]

I don't disagree with his basic point, the choice of language was unfortunate.  I think he meant the imagery was breathtaking and awe inspiring, rather than fantastic whoo-hoo-hoo.  He is an oldster after all so can be forgiven a senior moment or two

[Parky]

I don't disagree with his basic point, the choice of language was unfortunate.  I think he meant the imagery was breathtaking and awe inspiring, rather than fantastic whoo-hoo-hoo.  He is an oldster after all so can be forgiven a senior moment or two

This is the age old debate can we remove the conotative element from the stylised and beautifully iconic surface of a lot of Nazi iconography? I mean they stole some things from the Romans if he said he liked Roman imagery would there have been a problem?

[Sima]

I don't disagree with his basic point, the choice of language was unfortunate.  I think he meant the imagery was breathtaking and awe inspiring, rather than fantastic whoo-hoo-hoo.  He is an oldster after all so can be forgiven a senior moment or two

This is the age old debate can we remove the conotative element from the stylised and beautifully iconic surface of a lot of Nazi iconography? I mean they stole some things from the Romans if he said he liked Roman imagery would there have been a problem?

Absolutely woeful analogy tbh, more or less everything that is the basis of modern civilsation has came from the Romans, the Nazis are no different.

[GM]

I don't disagree with his basic point, the choice of language was unfortunate.  I think he meant the imagery was breathtaking and awe inspiring, rather than fantastic whoo-hoo-hoo.  He is an oldster after all so can be forgiven a senior moment or two

This is the age old debate can we remove the conotative element from the stylised and beautifully iconic surface of a lot of Nazi iconography? I mean they stole some things from the Romans if he said he liked Roman imagery would there have been a problem?

Of course there wouldn't be a problem if he's said that of Roman imagery. It's just a bunch of Zionist-sponsored idiots on the rampage though, isn't it Park Life?

[Parky]

I don't disagree with his basic point, the choice of language was unfortunate.  I think he meant the imagery was breathtaking and awe inspiring, rather than fantastic whoo-hoo-hoo.  He is an oldster after all so can be forgiven a senior moment or two

This is the age old debate can we remove the conotative element from the stylised and beautifully iconic surface of a lot of Nazi iconography? I mean they stole some things from the Romans if he said he liked Roman imagery would there have been a problem?

Of course there wouldn't be a problem if he's said that of Roman imagery. It's just a bunch of Zionist-sponsored idiots on the rampage though, isn't it Park Life?

But will M&S sell more suits now?

[GM]

I don't disagree with his basic point, the choice of language was unfortunate.  I think he meant the imagery was breathtaking and awe inspiring, rather than fantastic whoo-hoo-hoo.  He is an oldster after all so can be forgiven a senior moment or two

This is the age old debate can we remove the conotative element from the stylised and beautifully iconic surface of a lot of Nazi iconography? I mean they stole some things from the Romans if he said he liked Roman imagery would there have been a problem?

Of course there wouldn't be a problem if he's said that of Roman imagery. It's just a bunch of Zionist-sponsored idiots on the rampage though, isn't it Park Life?

But will M&S sell more suits now?

Well, personally I'm not convinced by their stuff this season, Parky:

[Parky]

I don't disagree with his basic point, the choice of language was unfortunate.  I think he meant the imagery was breathtaking and awe inspiring, rather than fantastic whoo-hoo-hoo.  He is an oldster after all so can be forgiven a senior moment or two

This is the age old debate can we remove the conotative element from the stylised and beautifully iconic surface of a lot of Nazi iconography? I mean they stole some things from the Romans if he said he liked Roman imagery would there have been a problem?

Of course there wouldn't be a problem if he's said that of Roman imagery. It's just a bunch of Zionist-sponsored idiots on the rampage though, isn't it Park Life?

But will M&S sell more suits now?

Well, personally I'm not convinced by their stuff this season, Parky:

Now that would be great in pink and teal, perhaps a gold eagle or two.

[Kitman]

It'd be great if they sold Roxy Music outfits circa 1972:



I expect you wear that sort of clobber to go shopping with the missus Parky?

[Sima]

Look at them freaks man, more meat on a butchers pencil tbh

[TêteDeMaure]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

[Kitman]

Look at them freaks man, more meat on a butchers pencil tbh

  They look like a bunch of extras from the Rocky Horror Show to me

[Parky]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

[Kitman]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

Arrrgghhhhh FASCIST!!!!   

[Parky]

It'd be great if they sold Roxy Music outfits circa 1972:



I expect you wear that sort of clobber to go shopping with the missus Parky?

Look at Eno man.

[Rob W]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

only time will dull the conenction - like the Aztecs - brilliant art - pity about the sacrifices....................

[Parky]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

only time will dull the conenction - like the Aztecs - brilliant art - pity about the sacrifices....................

.....now here's the thing Rob are the two connected?


Be careful now.

[Kitman]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

You can take that 'art for art's sake' thing too far though Parky - if you divorce art from the times that created it, it sometimes loses much of the reason it was powerful in the first place.  For instance one of the most moving things I have ever seen is the collection of shoes at Auschwitz - that to me is the equivalent of great art.  Divorced from its context, it's just a bunch of shoes.  Now you can say great art is timeless, which is true, but taken out of its context it sometimes loses something for me.

[Sima]

Here's the thing though..........It's a shame certain people are connected to oxygen tbh

[Kitman]

It'd be great if they sold Roxy Music outfits circa 1972:



I expect you wear that sort of clobber to go shopping with the missus Parky?

Look at Eno man.

The drugs DO work  :icon_biggrin:

[Parky]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

You can take that 'art for art's sake' thing too far though Parky - if you divorce art from the times that created it, it sometimes loses much of the reason it was powerful in the first place.  For instance one of the most moving things I have ever seen is the collection of shoes at Auschwitz - that to me is the equivalent of great art.  Divorced from its context, it's just a bunch of shoes.  Now you can say great art is timeless, which is true, but taken out of its context it sometimes loses something for me.

Good post and I agree totally about contextualisation. Building on what you say, art often brings information about ourselves soemtimes from the past and often from the future, the 'thing itself' - 'art' seems to carry its own energy....Tricky thing to explain.

[Verlaine]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

only time will dull the conenction - like the Aztecs - brilliant art - pity about the sacrifices....................

.....now here's the thing Rob are the two connected?


Be careful now.

Rob was probably there.

[Kitman]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

You can take that 'art for art's sake' thing too far though Parky - if you divorce art from the times that created it, it sometimes loses much of the reason it was powerful in the first place.  For instance one of the most moving things I have ever seen is the collection of shoes at Auschwitz - that to me is the equivalent of great art.  Divorced from its context, it's just a bunch of shoes.  Now you can say great art is timeless, which is true, but taken out of its context it sometimes loses something for me.

Good post and I agree totally about contextualisation. Building on what you say, art often brings information about ourselves soemtimes from the past and often from the future, the 'thing itself' - 'art' seems to carry its own energy....Tricky thing to explain.

The Mona Lisa is a good example of what I think you're talking about.  It's a great painting obviously that's stood the test of time.  But the paint & colours would have looked quite different when it was painted and the significance of the painting to whoever commissioned it has been lost.  So the reasons why it was loved in the first place and why it's loved now are probably quite different.  Another example is 'The Ambassadors' by Holbein.  People still don't really understand what it's about and we can't uncode the imagery these days but Tudor aristos would have read it like a book.  Still a powerful painting though.

[Invicta_Toon]

The Nazis

killed millions, but did it in style

[Rob W]

Well, wasn't Leni Riefenstahl a pioneer in film? I find her work amazing personally.

This is it Testa...How do we seperate the connotative elements from art? Especially if they are 'connected' to a particular time or era or regime. Should we have to?

only time will dull the conenction - like the Aztecs - brilliant art - pity about the sacrifices....................

.....now here's the thing Rob are the two connected?


Be careful now.

Rob was probably there.

always steered clear of organised religion - especially if it requires any sacrifices.................