Topic: Am proud to be English

[Dave]

[Happy Face]

I've not read this thread, but I said it on TT and I'll say it here, I despise national pride in whatever form it takes.

[ChezGiven]

Do you consider yourself a global citizen?

[Happy Face]

Do you consider yourself a global citizen?

A universal citizen.  blueyes.gif

[ChezGiven]

Thats fair enough tbh. However, I dont think that cultures / societies should be above criticism even if you ought not to brag / highlight / be nationalistic about your own. Ultimately different sides of the same coin.

As there isnt really a 'global culture', there isnt really a global ideal for societies to aspire to. That is imo a pre-requisite for social change and improving peoples lives, through aspiration to an ideal. You need a manifesto HF.

[Happy Face]

Thats fair enough tbh. However, I dont think that cultures / societies should be above criticism even if you ought not to brag / highlight / be nationalistic about your own. Ultimately different sides of the same coin.

As there isnt really a 'global culture', there isnt really a global ideal for societies to aspire to. That is imo a pre-requisite for social change and improving peoples lives, through aspiration to an ideal. You need a manifesto HF.

I like Meat Beat Manifesto.  But I ain't coming up with my own.

A global society isn't really what I'm after.  The Nazi's were chasing that weren't they?  But people shouldn't celebrate their differences to the exclusion of others, we need to accept/share/discuss/adopt each others differences.

Idealogical nonsense, but an ethos to aspire to.

[/tree hugging hippy talk]

[ChezGiven]

Thats fair enough tbh. However, I dont think that cultures / societies should be above criticism even if you ought not to brag / highlight / be nationalistic about your own. Ultimately different sides of the same coin.

As there isnt really a 'global culture', there isnt really a global ideal for societies to aspire to. That is imo a pre-requisite for social change and improving peoples lives, through aspiration to an ideal. You need a manifesto HF.

I like Meat Beat Manifesto.  But I ain't coming up with my own.

A global society isn't really what I'm after.  The Nazi's were chasing that weren't they?  But people shouldn't celebrate their differences to the exclusion of others, we need to accept/share/discuss/adopt each others differences.

Idealogical nonsense, but an ethos to aspire to.

[/tree hugging hippy talk]

And i think that is the perfect place to end this thread. Gold tbh.

[Tom_NUFC]

Does anyone else feel split over their Englishness?

I regard myself as a Geordie and a Northumbrian (of Northumbria as opposed to of Northumberland) first and foremost.

I support England sports teams, but never with huge fervour. I've been to England games at SJP, yet a bad England performance never registers anything more than mild disappointment.

Sometimes I'm proud to be English, but sometimes I feel alienated from it. That  up here, although we're English we're from a different England and that if Northumbrian independence was possible (which it probably isn't) I'd gladly take it. When the referendum for the North East Assembly voted no, I was genuinely gutted, I wanted the people of the North East to have a greater say in running the North East. I liked the idea of having a degree of autonomy as the German landers have.

People go on about St George not being celebrated enough, but you can still see St Georges flags around, and on sale, and people mention it. What gets me more than St George's day is the lack of anything about St Cuthbert's Day - St Cuthbert being patron Saint of Northumbria. And yet it goes by unnoticed with the majority of Northumbrians not even aware. I'd love shops to sell the Flag of Bernicia and display it in their windows, or have little St Cuthberts crosses on sale as lapel badges or something.

Proud to be English? Sometimes
Proud to be Geordie, Proud to be Northumbrian? Always

[madras]

Does anyone else feel split over their Englishness?

I regard myself as a Geordie and a Northumbrian (of Northumbria as opposed to of Northumberland) first and foremost.

I support England sports teams, but never with huge fervour. I've been to England games at SJP, yet a bad England performance never registers anything more than mild disappointment.

Sometimes I'm proud to be English, but sometimes I feel alienated from it. That  up here, although we're English we're from a different England and that if Northumbrian independence was possible (which it probably isn't) I'd gladly take it. When the referendum for the North East Assembly voted no, I was genuinely gutted, I wanted the people of the North East to have a greater say in running the North East. I liked the idea of having a degree of autonomy as the German landers have.

People go on about St George not being celebrated enough, but you can still see St Georges flags around, and on sale, and people mention it. What gets me more than St George's day is the lack of anything about St Cuthbert's Day - St Cuthbert being patron Saint of Northumbria. And yet it goes by unnoticed with the majority of Northumbrians not even aware. I'd love shops to sell the Flag of Bernicia and display it in their windows, or have little St Cuthberts crosses on sale as lapel badges or something.

Proud to be English? Sometimes
Proud to be Geordie, Proud to be Northumbrian? Always

i go along with all that,also there seems like more northumbria flags to be seen than ever before.

[Tom_NUFC]

not enough though