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Parky

Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« on: Monday 4 December 2006, 05:26:46 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/farright/story/0,,1873383,00.html


"Germany's racist neo-Nazi party is poised to make a stunning breakthrough during elections this weekend, entering a regional parliament for the second time in three years, polls suggest.
According to a poll for ZDF television the far-right National Party of Germany (NPD) is likely to win 7% of the vote in elections on Sunday in the north-east state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Another Infratest poll puts the party on 6%.

The projected result is above Germany's 5% hurdle - and means the far-right MPs will sit in the parliament for the first time. "We are very confident. It's extremely likely we are going to make it," Michael Andrejewski, the NPD's candidate in its stronghold town of Anklam, told the Guardian today."


Poverty at record levels in the East as well as high unemployment...Powderkeg tbh. blueeek.gif blueeek.gif
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"I'm a competitor and I want to play every game, every minute. The manager knows what I'm thinking. He knows I want to play. He makes his choices and I have to respect them."But it's true we don't share quite the same philosophy. For him, it's more crosses, a bit of a more direct style, whereas I'm more the kind of player who likes to play short passes.
"I like to pass and move.. .."That is the kind of football I like. That's the philosophy I learned at the French academy at Clairefontaine." HBA

BlufPurdi

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Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #1 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 05:32:30 PM »
Were people not always worried this was going to be the case with the East becoming part of the West?
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Parky

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #2 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 05:38:49 PM »
The thing is there is no easy way around it. The Govt are already pumping €14billion a year into the East for job creation and infastructure. But at a time when the German economy as a whole isn't creating many new jobs it will be an uphill task.
On the bright side house prices in the East are at an all time low. bluewink.gif
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"I'm a competitor and I want to play every game, every minute. The manager knows what I'm thinking. He knows I want to play. He makes his choices and I have to respect them."But it's true we don't share quite the same philosophy. For him, it's more crosses, a bit of a more direct style, whereas I'm more the kind of player who likes to play short passes.
"I like to pass and move.. .."That is the kind of football I like. That's the philosophy I learned at the French academy at Clairefontaine." HBA

Skirge

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Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #3 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 05:42:12 PM »
Fkn ell, thats not good at all, its like they are going back in fkn time.
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Tooj

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #4 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 05:43:29 PM »
Quote from: Skirge on Monday  4 December 2006, 05:42:12 PM
Fkn ell, thats not good at all, its like they are going back in fkn time.

Not really Skirge me boy.  bluebigrazz.gif
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Parky

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #5 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 05:47:31 PM »
 :lol:
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"I'm a competitor and I want to play every game, every minute. The manager knows what I'm thinking. He knows I want to play. He makes his choices and I have to respect them."But it's true we don't share quite the same philosophy. For him, it's more crosses, a bit of a more direct style, whereas I'm more the kind of player who likes to play short passes.
"I like to pass and move.. .."That is the kind of football I like. That's the philosophy I learned at the French academy at Clairefontaine." HBA

Skirge

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Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #6 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 06:10:50 PM »
Its as bad as if the BNP had got a seat here.
Racist pricks is all they are.
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garth

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Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #7 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 06:27:33 PM »
But you always one or two like them in politics, the thing is not to give them the publicity that they seek, but unfortunately the stupid media always thinks there is a good story to be told, so these pricks will always get publicity that they are after.
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ticaL

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #8 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 07:23:04 PM »
Never gain anything more than what they have. German's aren't that ridiculous.
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Invicta_Toon

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #9 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:03:24 PM »
this is what happens with proportional representation people!
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ticaL

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #10 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:03:59 PM »
Quote from: Invicta_Toon on Monday  4 December 2006, 11:03:24 PM
this is what happens with proportional representation people!

NSDAP...cough...
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Tooj

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #11 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:04:30 PM »
Expect a Beer Hall Putsch any day now!
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"I took the decision to resign in September 2008 only after very careful and anxious consideration. The decision to resign was one of the most difficult decisions that I have ever had to take in my life. I believe that anybody who knows me and my attachment to Newcastle United and the North East in general will understand how difficult this must have been. I very much hope that the decision of the Tribunal now confirms why I felt that I had no option but to resign from the position as Manager of the Club that I love."- Kevin Keegan speaking on 02/10/2009

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,72878.msg3113451.html#msg3113451

Invicta_Toon

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #12 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:05:18 PM »
no wonder they've started to change the constitution regarding armed forces activities
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BlufPurdi

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Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #13 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:09:23 PM »
Quote from: Invicta_Toon on Monday  4 December 2006, 11:03:24 PM
this is what happens with proportional representation people!

True, it's still more deep rooted than the way they vote though.  Changing the way votes are counted isn't going to stop X% of a country being racist faggots.
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You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

ticaL

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #14 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:17:13 PM »
Quote from: BlufPurdi on Monday  4 December 2006, 11:09:23 PM
Quote from: Invicta_Toon on Monday  4 December 2006, 11:03:24 PM
this is what happens with proportional representation people!

True, it's still more deep rooted than the way they vote though. Changing the way votes are counted isn't going to stop X% of a country being racist faggots.

Correct, but it's going to stop sheep jumping on the bandwagon when it starts to gain momnetum...
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Parky

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #15 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:24:53 PM »
I think with the PR here they only have to go past 5% of the vote or summat.

The way I look at things and no matter how objectionable it feels to us...Nazi's should have a voice if they go through the democratic process. I totally beleive in their right as much as anyone elses.
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"I'm a competitor and I want to play every game, every minute. The manager knows what I'm thinking. He knows I want to play. He makes his choices and I have to respect them."But it's true we don't share quite the same philosophy. For him, it's more crosses, a bit of a more direct style, whereas I'm more the kind of player who likes to play short passes.
"I like to pass and move.. .."That is the kind of football I like. That's the philosophy I learned at the French academy at Clairefontaine." HBA

ticaL

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #16 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:26:20 PM »
Quote from: Parky on Monday  4 December 2006, 11:24:53 PM
I think with the PR here they only have to go past 5% of the vote or summat.

The way I look at things and no matter how objectionable it feels to us...Nazi's should have a voice if they go through the democratic process. I totally beleive in their right as much as anyone elses.

Until they bring forth the dissolution of their own government into a totalitarian dictatorship. Oh, the woe of it all.
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Optomystyc Knight

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« Reply #17 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:27:47 PM »
but if they were to use their right to discriminate and incite hatred against other races and religions then should you not remove it?
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Kitman

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #18 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:29:52 PM »
Quote from: Parky on Monday  4 December 2006, 11:24:53 PM
I think with the PR here they only have to go past 5% of the vote or summat.

The way I look at things and no matter how objectionable it feels to us...Nazi's should have a voice if they go through the democratic process. I totally beleive in their right as much as anyone elses.

You'd hope they are never more than a crackpot minority voice.  Sometimes it's healthy to give these people a little air time, to remind you of why you wanted to pelt them with rotten eggs in the first place.

I do think that mainstream politicians have failed if these people prosper, and it should eb a wake up call for German politicos to sharpen up their act and address the underlying problems thatdrive people to vote for the nutjobs
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Parky

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #19 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:30:40 PM »
Let the law deal with it if they do transgress in that manner. I will always protect the right for people to hold unconventional views as the other alternative is the real danger.
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"I'm a competitor and I want to play every game, every minute. The manager knows what I'm thinking. He knows I want to play. He makes his choices and I have to respect them."But it's true we don't share quite the same philosophy. For him, it's more crosses, a bit of a more direct style, whereas I'm more the kind of player who likes to play short passes.
"I like to pass and move.. .."That is the kind of football I like. That's the philosophy I learned at the French academy at Clairefontaine." HBA

Optomystyc Knight

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #20 on: Monday 4 December 2006, 11:33:53 PM »
a point i grant you.
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BlufPurdi

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Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 5 December 2006, 07:33:50 AM »
Democracy is flawed.  You either want it, or you don't.  And if they democratic process has saw a far right party gain a seat (let's not get carried away here, they've acheived no more than the BNP have here), you can't go around trying to change how votes are counted so these people are silenced. 

I agree with Kit' and Parky on this.
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You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger.
We ourselves are responsible for our own happiness and misery. We create our own Heaven. We create our own Hell. We are the architects of our own fate.
Student says " I am very discouraged. What should I do?" Master says, "encourage others."
We are what we think. All that we are arises with our thoughts. With our thoughts, we make the world.
It takes a wise man to learn from his mistakes, but an even wiser man to learn from others.
This is what should be done. By one who is skilled in goodness, and who knows the path of peace: Let them be able and upright, straightforward and gentle in speech. Humble and not conceited, contented and easily satisfied. Unburdened with duties and frugal in their ways. Peaceful and calm, and wise and skillful, not proud and demanding in nature. Let them not do the slightest thing that the wise would later reprove.

Invicta_Toon

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 5 December 2006, 10:58:31 AM »
Quote from: BlufPurdi on Tuesday  5 December 2006, 07:33:50 AM
Democracy is flawed.  You either want it, or you don't.  And if they democratic process has saw a far right party gain a seat (let's not get carried away here, they've acheived no more than the BNP have here), you can't go around trying to change how votes are counted so these people are silenced. 

I agree with Kit' and Parky on this.

the BNP have only ever got council seats

this is a state election no?
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Parky

Re: Neo-Nazi on course to get seats in German Parliament.
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 5 December 2006, 11:01:34 AM »
Yes full on state election, proper seats in the Bundestag or whatever its called.
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"I'm a competitor and I want to play every game, every minute. The manager knows what I'm thinking. He knows I want to play. He makes his choices and I have to respect them."But it's true we don't share quite the same philosophy. For him, it's more crosses, a bit of a more direct style, whereas I'm more the kind of player who likes to play short passes.
"I like to pass and move.. .."That is the kind of football I like. That's the philosophy I learned at the French academy at Clairefontaine." HBA

Invicta_Toon

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« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 5 December 2006, 11:02:29 AM »
those daft federalists
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